1 00:00:10,705 --> 00:00:15,385 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges the 2 00:00:15,425 --> 00:00:18,545 Speaker 1: traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast is 3 00:00:18,585 --> 00:00:22,785 Speaker 1: recorded on. Whoever said orange is a new pink with 4 00:00:22,945 --> 00:00:26,385 Speaker 1: seriously disturbed laurels for spraying groundbreaking? 5 00:00:26,665 --> 00:00:28,025 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you have. 6 00:00:27,945 --> 00:00:28,425 Speaker 1: To do it. 7 00:00:28,505 --> 00:00:29,745 Speaker 2: You live for fashion. 8 00:00:31,745 --> 00:00:34,625 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that 9 00:00:34,665 --> 00:00:38,345 Speaker 1: solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell, 10 00:00:38,385 --> 00:00:40,945 Speaker 1: and every week I chat to an expert who helps 11 00:00:41,025 --> 00:00:42,745 Speaker 1: us work out how to get more out of the 12 00:00:42,745 --> 00:00:45,905 Speaker 1: clothes we already own and tells us exactly what is 13 00:00:45,985 --> 00:00:50,025 Speaker 1: and isn't worth adding to our wardrobes. Now, friends, today 14 00:00:50,145 --> 00:00:51,985 Speaker 1: we're in for a bit of a treat. If you 15 00:00:52,065 --> 00:00:55,185 Speaker 1: are also a listener of the podcast by Hollyweyen right mid, 16 00:00:55,425 --> 00:00:58,305 Speaker 1: you'll know the guest we're about to talk to. She's 17 00:00:58,345 --> 00:01:01,865 Speaker 1: one of Asia's most distinguished editors and stylists with over 18 00:01:01,945 --> 00:01:05,705 Speaker 1: twenty five years experience in the fashion world. I'm talking 19 00:01:05,785 --> 00:01:09,425 Speaker 1: about the iconic Grace Lamb. Grace cut her teeth working 20 00:01:09,465 --> 00:01:13,745 Speaker 1: on Edward Eninfull, the one and only amazing former editor 21 00:01:13,825 --> 00:01:16,545 Speaker 1: in chief at British Vogue, and in two thousand and 22 00:01:16,625 --> 00:01:20,825 Speaker 1: five she became absolutely pivotal in launching Vogue China, where 23 00:01:20,825 --> 00:01:24,105 Speaker 1: she spent a decade as the senior fashion style editor. 24 00:01:24,665 --> 00:01:27,985 Speaker 1: She's style Kate Moss, Naomi Campbell, Lana del Rey, and 25 00:01:28,025 --> 00:01:31,745 Speaker 1: she's collaborated with brands like Door Burbery and Estae Launer. 26 00:01:32,545 --> 00:01:36,025 Speaker 1: Grace now lives in Australia and she brings her unparalleled 27 00:01:36,065 --> 00:01:40,905 Speaker 1: styling expertise to Melbourne. I'm slightly scared but incredibly inspired 28 00:01:40,905 --> 00:01:44,185 Speaker 1: by Grace because there's nobs with her. She is completely 29 00:01:44,185 --> 00:01:46,705 Speaker 1: honest about fashion. So I'm going to ask Grace's opinion 30 00:01:46,745 --> 00:01:50,025 Speaker 1: on lots of different things, including the difference between Western 31 00:01:50,105 --> 00:01:54,385 Speaker 1: style and Asian style, why Australians love wearing their active 32 00:01:54,385 --> 00:01:57,105 Speaker 1: wear so much, and her thoughts on trends does she 33 00:01:57,145 --> 00:02:01,025 Speaker 1: buy into them or not. Let's get into it, okay, Grace, firstly, 34 00:02:01,465 --> 00:02:03,785 Speaker 1: thank you for joining me. I'm excited. I'm a little 35 00:02:03,825 --> 00:02:07,305 Speaker 1: bit scared. I loved your episodes of mid that you 36 00:02:07,305 --> 00:02:10,625 Speaker 1: did with Holly, so welcome to Nothing to and before 37 00:02:10,625 --> 00:02:14,225 Speaker 1: we get into the topic, I ask guests a few questions, 38 00:02:14,745 --> 00:02:17,065 Speaker 1: the first of which is can you describe your own 39 00:02:17,145 --> 00:02:18,465 Speaker 1: style in three words? 40 00:02:18,865 --> 00:02:22,705 Speaker 2: Definitely colorful, edgy and experimental. So that's me. 41 00:02:23,865 --> 00:02:26,945 Speaker 1: That's almost opposite of everything I have. Maybe I'm a 42 00:02:26,945 --> 00:02:29,905 Speaker 1: bit experimental, but I love that. Okay, the theory that 43 00:02:29,945 --> 00:02:32,225 Speaker 1: we were ten percent of our wardrobe ninety percent of 44 00:02:32,225 --> 00:02:34,585 Speaker 1: the time, so the stuff we reach for more than 45 00:02:34,665 --> 00:02:36,945 Speaker 1: the other stuff. What's in your ten percent? 46 00:02:37,545 --> 00:02:40,905 Speaker 2: Oh, I don't do spots for leggings. I don't do much. 47 00:02:41,185 --> 00:02:43,985 Speaker 2: I have very limited amount because I'm not a sporty person. 48 00:02:44,865 --> 00:02:46,545 Speaker 2: Of course, you know, when I go to the gym, 49 00:02:46,585 --> 00:02:49,145 Speaker 2: I do have to wear those. When I moved from 50 00:02:49,185 --> 00:02:52,185 Speaker 2: Hong Kong, Australia five years ago, I started living in 51 00:02:52,225 --> 00:02:55,265 Speaker 2: per first and then moved to Melbourne recently. I've never 52 00:02:55,305 --> 00:02:58,505 Speaker 2: seen so many bloody Lululemon leggings in my life in 53 00:02:58,505 --> 00:03:02,305 Speaker 2: one place. Yes, And I thought, oh my god, if 54 00:03:02,345 --> 00:03:04,305 Speaker 2: I can have a pound a UK pound for every 55 00:03:04,345 --> 00:03:07,825 Speaker 2: pair of leggings I see every day every week, I'll 56 00:03:07,865 --> 00:03:10,185 Speaker 2: be like a billionaire. I just don't know what it is. 57 00:03:10,305 --> 00:03:13,025 Speaker 2: You know, they love wearing leasure are out ninety percent 58 00:03:13,105 --> 00:03:16,865 Speaker 2: of my stuff. I would say, I am not picky 59 00:03:16,905 --> 00:03:20,545 Speaker 2: about fine one item, you know a lot. I have 60 00:03:20,585 --> 00:03:23,545 Speaker 2: a lot of mix of everything. So that's how I 61 00:03:23,625 --> 00:03:25,625 Speaker 2: like to extern my wardrobe. 62 00:03:25,105 --> 00:03:27,385 Speaker 1: And do you often, you know, reach for those things 63 00:03:27,385 --> 00:03:29,465 Speaker 1: and mix and matural. If you're in a rush, you 64 00:03:29,505 --> 00:03:31,505 Speaker 1: just grab the stuff you love, or you really try 65 00:03:31,545 --> 00:03:32,625 Speaker 1: and make sure you wear everything. 66 00:03:32,985 --> 00:03:35,625 Speaker 2: I like to wear everything because I like to create 67 00:03:35,665 --> 00:03:37,865 Speaker 2: a character of myself every day. If I can, if 68 00:03:37,865 --> 00:03:39,825 Speaker 2: I can be bothered at day, it just gives me 69 00:03:39,865 --> 00:03:42,225 Speaker 2: an idea or I planm my outfit the night before. 70 00:03:42,505 --> 00:03:44,945 Speaker 1: Yes, I was going to ask you that, Oh gosh, 71 00:03:44,945 --> 00:03:46,825 Speaker 1: that's golls. I mean, I have a lot of clothes 72 00:03:46,825 --> 00:03:49,665 Speaker 1: and I think I wear maybe thirty percent, but sometimes 73 00:03:49,705 --> 00:03:53,545 Speaker 1: I'm just like the leggings. I'm sorry. All Right, We're 74 00:03:53,545 --> 00:03:55,105 Speaker 1: going to start with a bit of your career because 75 00:03:55,145 --> 00:03:57,145 Speaker 1: that really illustrates you, know what you're doing here on 76 00:03:57,185 --> 00:04:01,585 Speaker 1: this podcast. Your time at Vogue China. I'd love to 77 00:04:01,625 --> 00:04:04,785 Speaker 1: hear about that. Assisting the editor in chief of British 78 00:04:04,825 --> 00:04:06,705 Speaker 1: Folk no big deal. So can you talk to us 79 00:04:06,745 --> 00:04:08,065 Speaker 1: about that era of your career. 80 00:04:08,185 --> 00:04:11,185 Speaker 2: So I'm from Hong Kong originally, and I went to 81 00:04:11,265 --> 00:04:13,425 Speaker 2: UK boarding school when I was quite young. So then 82 00:04:13,465 --> 00:04:16,705 Speaker 2: I ended up living in UK most of my life actually, 83 00:04:17,065 --> 00:04:19,185 Speaker 2: and I went to Central St Martins and I diog 84 00:04:19,185 --> 00:04:21,305 Speaker 2: graphic designed into a fashion So I did a degree 85 00:04:21,345 --> 00:04:24,145 Speaker 2: there and because it was such a well known, you know, 86 00:04:24,305 --> 00:04:27,225 Speaker 2: art school, we get a lot of like famous speakers 87 00:04:27,225 --> 00:04:29,785 Speaker 2: to come. And then during my second year of Saint Martin's, 88 00:04:29,865 --> 00:04:32,065 Speaker 2: I met Terry Jones, who was the founder of the 89 00:04:32,105 --> 00:04:35,705 Speaker 2: Street Bible magazine, ID magazine. Yes, and being like a 90 00:04:35,705 --> 00:04:38,905 Speaker 2: really naive little girl, I was like, oh, you know, 91 00:04:39,105 --> 00:04:41,465 Speaker 2: I'm gonna have my own magazine one day. You watch 92 00:04:41,465 --> 00:04:43,625 Speaker 2: blah blah blah. And he was like, oh, yeah, we'll 93 00:04:43,665 --> 00:04:47,465 Speaker 2: see about that. And he liked how I dressed and 94 00:04:47,545 --> 00:04:49,785 Speaker 2: he said to me, oh, do you want to become 95 00:04:49,785 --> 00:04:51,825 Speaker 2: a stylist because you're very stylish? 96 00:04:51,865 --> 00:04:54,705 Speaker 1: And how did you dress back then? Can you describe it? Oh? 97 00:04:54,785 --> 00:04:58,145 Speaker 2: Kind of like edgy, like very London grungy, but like 98 00:04:58,225 --> 00:05:00,905 Speaker 2: kind of like a sheep grungy. My. You know what, 99 00:05:01,065 --> 00:05:05,025 Speaker 2: my mother is color blind. She is the most fierce 100 00:05:05,545 --> 00:05:09,105 Speaker 2: dresser I've ever met because she, I mean, can imagine 101 00:05:09,105 --> 00:05:11,785 Speaker 2: being color black? And you dressed so colorful every day 102 00:05:12,265 --> 00:05:16,185 Speaker 2: since I was young, with all my sisters, we we 103 00:05:16,345 --> 00:05:18,625 Speaker 2: idolized her in the way she dressed, and she's just 104 00:05:18,945 --> 00:05:21,865 Speaker 2: she has great taste. My dad is opposite my dad 105 00:05:21,905 --> 00:05:24,545 Speaker 2: had no taste, so very. 106 00:05:24,345 --> 00:05:27,345 Speaker 1: Well, Okay, were you influenced by her? He hates seeing 107 00:05:27,345 --> 00:05:28,905 Speaker 1: you and gone, you're stylist? Do you want to be 108 00:05:28,905 --> 00:05:30,625 Speaker 1: a stylist? And so was your answer. 109 00:05:30,665 --> 00:05:33,905 Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know what it was. I asked him 110 00:05:33,905 --> 00:05:36,065 Speaker 2: what is a stylist? And it's oh, come an intern 111 00:05:36,105 --> 00:05:38,105 Speaker 2: for us. So I was like, okay, So I did 112 00:05:38,145 --> 00:05:40,905 Speaker 2: internship when I was in my second year St. Martin's 113 00:05:40,945 --> 00:05:44,465 Speaker 2: and then met Edward Anningford, who was a passion director 114 00:05:44,505 --> 00:05:47,585 Speaker 2: at large, and I mean I knew he was a 115 00:05:47,585 --> 00:05:50,185 Speaker 2: big deal. And then you know, I started. I was 116 00:05:50,185 --> 00:05:53,585 Speaker 2: as an editoriust system. After I left Martin's. You know, 117 00:05:53,625 --> 00:05:55,465 Speaker 2: I did all the shitty jobs, you know. I don't 118 00:05:55,465 --> 00:05:57,065 Speaker 2: know how many philtore copy things I did. 119 00:05:57,265 --> 00:06:00,025 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've all been there. I started an editorial assistant 120 00:06:00,065 --> 00:06:01,265 Speaker 1: at a magazine. 121 00:06:00,945 --> 00:06:04,185 Speaker 2: YEP, and then when Edward was looking for a full 122 00:06:04,225 --> 00:06:06,905 Speaker 2: time assistant, I got put forward, went for an interview, 123 00:06:07,025 --> 00:06:09,145 Speaker 2: and then got the job immediately. Let's say, on a 124 00:06:09,185 --> 00:06:11,825 Speaker 2: Monday Thursday, he flew me to Milan and we did 125 00:06:11,825 --> 00:06:12,985 Speaker 2: a Jill Sounder fashion show. 126 00:06:13,105 --> 00:06:16,265 Speaker 1: Wow wow, And that was the start of the rest 127 00:06:16,265 --> 00:06:19,345 Speaker 1: of your life. Then you did a decade as senior 128 00:06:19,425 --> 00:06:22,225 Speaker 1: fashion Style editor of Vogue China. So what was that like? 129 00:06:22,545 --> 00:06:26,545 Speaker 2: Because I consider myself as a very Londoner and how 130 00:06:26,585 --> 00:06:30,065 Speaker 2: I was trained under Edward ENNINGFO is very different from 131 00:06:30,105 --> 00:06:33,265 Speaker 2: working in Asia, and I've actually never worked in Asia 132 00:06:33,305 --> 00:06:34,825 Speaker 2: in my life. I thought I was going to die 133 00:06:34,825 --> 00:06:37,425 Speaker 2: in London, marry a brit And now you know, I 134 00:06:37,425 --> 00:06:42,065 Speaker 2: have an Italian Australian fashion beauty photographer you know, who's amazing. 135 00:06:42,745 --> 00:06:45,225 Speaker 2: So it was quite an eye opening experience for me 136 00:06:45,225 --> 00:06:48,505 Speaker 2: because I've never worked in Asia and how they do 137 00:06:48,585 --> 00:06:51,185 Speaker 2: fashion shows over that is so different back in two 138 00:06:51,185 --> 00:06:52,225 Speaker 2: thousand and five. 139 00:06:53,305 --> 00:06:57,105 Speaker 1: And so you were there for ten years? Yes, yes, wow, okay, 140 00:06:57,185 --> 00:06:59,745 Speaker 1: so that was obviously you know, you've well and truly 141 00:06:59,785 --> 00:07:01,985 Speaker 1: on the new course of not so new now but 142 00:07:02,305 --> 00:07:04,585 Speaker 1: fashion and that wasn't what you were set out to do. 143 00:07:04,945 --> 00:07:08,225 Speaker 1: So you've done London, China and you're in Australia, I'm 144 00:07:08,225 --> 00:07:10,105 Speaker 1: assuming for family in love. 145 00:07:10,545 --> 00:07:14,745 Speaker 2: Yes and yes, because we left Hong Kong because of 146 00:07:14,785 --> 00:07:18,905 Speaker 2: the social unrest and then we left before anyone else 147 00:07:18,945 --> 00:07:20,825 Speaker 2: was leaving Hong Kong and people didn't understand why we 148 00:07:20,865 --> 00:07:23,145 Speaker 2: wanted to leave, and then we arrived in perfcouse Jason 149 00:07:23,145 --> 00:07:24,945 Speaker 2: from Perth, it was okay, let's go. 150 00:07:25,265 --> 00:07:27,305 Speaker 1: Yeah. So then you've been in Perth for a little 151 00:07:27,305 --> 00:07:29,745 Speaker 1: bit and now we've recently moved to Melbourne, so gosh, 152 00:07:29,785 --> 00:07:33,065 Speaker 1: you've been kind of everywhere. What's your observation. I guess 153 00:07:33,225 --> 00:07:36,585 Speaker 1: let's start with, you know, Asian fashion culture for women, 154 00:07:36,705 --> 00:07:40,985 Speaker 1: and I guess Western fashion culture. But what's the observations 155 00:07:41,025 --> 00:07:44,065 Speaker 1: you noticed between Asian fashion culture and Western fashion culture. 156 00:07:44,745 --> 00:07:47,785 Speaker 2: I think Asian we talk about women generally, they we 157 00:07:47,945 --> 00:07:53,345 Speaker 2: are a lot more into like labels, and we sometimes 158 00:07:53,505 --> 00:07:56,625 Speaker 2: we were more youthful the way we style. I mean, 159 00:07:56,665 --> 00:07:58,785 Speaker 2: you can be walking in Hong Kong the street or 160 00:07:58,785 --> 00:08:01,065 Speaker 2: mainland China. You can see someone from the back, very 161 00:08:01,185 --> 00:08:04,145 Speaker 2: very stylish, and you go past them and they could 162 00:08:04,185 --> 00:08:07,385 Speaker 2: be sixty five, you know, and that I think they 163 00:08:07,385 --> 00:08:10,985 Speaker 2: are more up for challenging them themselves and the way 164 00:08:11,025 --> 00:08:14,025 Speaker 2: they dress, and they don't care really what people think. 165 00:08:14,705 --> 00:08:15,985 Speaker 2: Of course, there are a lot of people that are 166 00:08:16,065 --> 00:08:18,985 Speaker 2: very conservative as well, but people who love fashion in general. 167 00:08:19,025 --> 00:08:21,505 Speaker 2: I think the majority of people, especially in Hong Kong, 168 00:08:21,585 --> 00:08:24,185 Speaker 2: they are very into fashion. It doesn't matter whether they 169 00:08:24,265 --> 00:08:28,105 Speaker 2: get them fashion from the local market stores or like 170 00:08:28,505 --> 00:08:31,945 Speaker 2: Zara or h M. You know, they love playing with fashion, 171 00:08:32,585 --> 00:08:34,585 Speaker 2: which I find is a bit more different in the 172 00:08:34,625 --> 00:08:37,185 Speaker 2: Western world. I think Western women, I mean, we'll talk 173 00:08:37,185 --> 00:08:41,305 Speaker 2: about French women are very sophisticated. Yes, they know how 174 00:08:41,345 --> 00:08:45,745 Speaker 2: to style themselves. You know that, they're very, very created, 175 00:08:46,065 --> 00:08:49,625 Speaker 2: but in such an effless way. Yes, I mean, aside 176 00:08:49,625 --> 00:08:52,745 Speaker 2: from all the Lulu lemon leggings and things we're talking about, 177 00:08:52,825 --> 00:08:55,665 Speaker 2: I think in general, Western women's a little bit more 178 00:08:55,865 --> 00:08:58,625 Speaker 2: reserved in the way they dress. We're not talking about 179 00:08:58,625 --> 00:09:00,905 Speaker 2: fashion people who go to fashion with because that's like that's. 180 00:09:00,785 --> 00:09:03,665 Speaker 1: My different Yeah, but I think the Lulu lemon, you know, 181 00:09:03,705 --> 00:09:05,785 Speaker 1: the active way when we're not being we're not at 182 00:09:05,785 --> 00:09:08,025 Speaker 1: the gym, that's it mostly a nussy thing, right, because 183 00:09:08,025 --> 00:09:09,785 Speaker 1: you know, when I travel to Paris, my friends that 184 00:09:09,825 --> 00:09:11,545 Speaker 1: live there say you cannot wear you're active for unless 185 00:09:11,585 --> 00:09:13,505 Speaker 1: you're going directly to the gym and back. So that's 186 00:09:13,625 --> 00:09:14,465 Speaker 1: quite Australian. 187 00:09:14,825 --> 00:09:17,825 Speaker 2: I mean, to be honest, I feel like, let athletic 188 00:09:17,865 --> 00:09:21,025 Speaker 2: worship only be in two places, the gym and your 189 00:09:21,065 --> 00:09:22,105 Speaker 2: dirty laundry basket. 190 00:09:22,785 --> 00:09:24,985 Speaker 1: I love that. I love that, and I might not 191 00:09:25,065 --> 00:09:27,305 Speaker 1: agree only because I love my leggings to run around 192 00:09:27,305 --> 00:09:28,745 Speaker 1: and chase my five year old. But I get it. 193 00:09:28,825 --> 00:09:32,065 Speaker 1: I always feel better about myself and my outfit that 194 00:09:32,145 --> 00:09:33,945 Speaker 1: day if I've gotten out of the leggings and actually 195 00:09:34,025 --> 00:09:46,945 Speaker 1: styled the outfit, even if it's super casual. Having worked 196 00:09:46,945 --> 00:09:49,705 Speaker 1: with fashion and in the fashion industry with clients all 197 00:09:49,745 --> 00:09:53,145 Speaker 1: around the world, please tell me that there's universal problems 198 00:09:53,265 --> 00:09:55,385 Speaker 1: that we face when we're deciding what to wear. Is 199 00:09:55,425 --> 00:09:57,785 Speaker 1: there kind of a running theme that you've noticed throughout 200 00:09:57,785 --> 00:10:01,105 Speaker 1: your career of women coming to you saying help and 201 00:10:01,425 --> 00:10:02,465 Speaker 1: what are those problems? 202 00:10:02,945 --> 00:10:06,505 Speaker 2: I think women in general, and a lot of medlife 203 00:10:06,545 --> 00:10:08,985 Speaker 2: women like you know, I'm fifty two and I do 204 00:10:09,025 --> 00:10:11,265 Speaker 2: a lot of style in form of life woman who's 205 00:10:11,265 --> 00:10:15,505 Speaker 2: going through a perimenopause. They love staying the safe lanes 206 00:10:16,265 --> 00:10:19,985 Speaker 2: and they're unwilling to change. So sometimes I'll get women 207 00:10:20,025 --> 00:10:23,185 Speaker 2: who contact me, and those are the one who are a 208 00:10:23,225 --> 00:10:26,465 Speaker 2: bit more adventurous already, but still when I meet them, they're, oh, 209 00:10:26,505 --> 00:10:28,065 Speaker 2: I'm not sure about this, I'm not sure about that. 210 00:10:28,385 --> 00:10:30,585 Speaker 2: So it takes a lot of convincing for them to 211 00:10:30,665 --> 00:10:34,545 Speaker 2: change theirself or introducing a new way to dress. I 212 00:10:34,545 --> 00:10:38,025 Speaker 2: think the mindset is the most challenging to get them 213 00:10:38,065 --> 00:10:39,825 Speaker 2: to try new things is a challenge. 214 00:10:39,545 --> 00:10:41,985 Speaker 1: That's for sure. So yeah, mindset makes sense because it 215 00:10:42,025 --> 00:10:43,385 Speaker 1: all sort of starts there, doesn't it. 216 00:10:43,505 --> 00:10:46,625 Speaker 2: Yeah. And also, going back to a wardrobe, I think 217 00:10:46,665 --> 00:10:50,225 Speaker 2: the problem with most people is they stuff the wardrobe 218 00:10:50,265 --> 00:10:52,265 Speaker 2: so much that you can't even see what you have. 219 00:10:52,265 --> 00:10:55,225 Speaker 1: Have you been to my house lately, you should see mine. 220 00:10:55,425 --> 00:10:57,505 Speaker 1: Hence why I grab my ten percent because the rest 221 00:10:57,505 --> 00:11:00,225 Speaker 1: of it's too messy. And I can't say it, but I. 222 00:11:00,225 --> 00:11:02,865 Speaker 2: Honestly feel you have to hang everything so you can see. 223 00:11:03,065 --> 00:11:04,145 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean I. 224 00:11:04,105 --> 00:11:06,185 Speaker 2: Understand that, you know, wardrobes are limited. I mean, who's 225 00:11:06,225 --> 00:11:08,585 Speaker 2: got like a five thousand square feet house to only 226 00:11:08,585 --> 00:11:09,305 Speaker 2: put your wardrobe in? 227 00:11:09,345 --> 00:11:09,465 Speaker 1: Ye? 228 00:11:09,505 --> 00:11:13,585 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, be very organized in your worldro so you can. 229 00:11:13,465 --> 00:11:16,265 Speaker 1: See, yes, And does that include you know, kind of 230 00:11:16,465 --> 00:11:19,745 Speaker 1: quite frequent clear outs and you know, rotating with summer 231 00:11:19,785 --> 00:11:21,665 Speaker 1: and winter if you can't fit it all in one spot, 232 00:11:21,665 --> 00:11:24,185 Speaker 1: and just being able to see the stuff you do love. 233 00:11:25,825 --> 00:11:28,345 Speaker 2: What you can't see, you're not gonna wear. Yeah, that's 234 00:11:28,345 --> 00:11:30,385 Speaker 2: a problem. And I have a one in, one out 235 00:11:30,505 --> 00:11:32,425 Speaker 2: system when I buy something new or trying to get 236 00:11:32,505 --> 00:11:35,265 Speaker 2: rid of something old, anything that's more than two years, 237 00:11:35,265 --> 00:11:36,465 Speaker 2: I haven't touched it's got to go. 238 00:11:36,745 --> 00:11:38,865 Speaker 1: Wow, oh my god, you would die if you came 239 00:11:38,905 --> 00:11:41,025 Speaker 1: to my house. I need that, But I just I 240 00:11:41,585 --> 00:11:44,025 Speaker 1: just am not that person, and at forty three, I 241 00:11:44,065 --> 00:11:46,065 Speaker 1: don't think I ever will be. But that's so true. 242 00:11:46,145 --> 00:11:47,865 Speaker 2: Well, I love to come to you hous and clean up. 243 00:11:47,985 --> 00:11:50,625 Speaker 1: Oh you. I think you think you would also do 244 00:11:50,665 --> 00:11:53,065 Speaker 1: some photos offline. But that's interesting. I think it is 245 00:11:53,145 --> 00:11:55,585 Speaker 1: so much of a mindset thing because we tell ourselves 246 00:11:56,065 --> 00:11:58,745 Speaker 1: I can't wear that, or people will judge me, or 247 00:11:59,185 --> 00:12:01,385 Speaker 1: I'm too old for that, or that work doesn't suit me. 248 00:12:01,425 --> 00:12:02,945 Speaker 1: But it's as soon as you tear you stuff you 249 00:12:02,945 --> 00:12:04,545 Speaker 1: can't Well, of course you can't. 250 00:12:04,665 --> 00:12:07,705 Speaker 2: No, I think honestly, you need to go shopping or 251 00:12:07,745 --> 00:12:10,785 Speaker 2: do some starling session with people who you're cheerleaders. Yes, 252 00:12:11,105 --> 00:12:13,665 Speaker 2: don't ask anybody who's going to go, oh, like your 253 00:12:13,705 --> 00:12:15,225 Speaker 2: kids or Mum, you look shit or whatever. 254 00:12:16,465 --> 00:12:18,065 Speaker 1: But I feel like, and this is please take this 255 00:12:18,145 --> 00:12:20,625 Speaker 1: a compliment. That's why I kind of love you, is 256 00:12:20,625 --> 00:12:23,985 Speaker 1: your raw honesty, and I think that, yes, it's nice 257 00:12:23,985 --> 00:12:25,825 Speaker 1: to have someone to build up your confidence, but you 258 00:12:25,905 --> 00:12:27,425 Speaker 1: also want the truth, right. 259 00:12:27,585 --> 00:12:31,185 Speaker 2: Yes, at the same time, I think I'm quite a 260 00:12:31,225 --> 00:12:34,145 Speaker 2: hardcore person, so I take a lot of criticism. But 261 00:12:34,265 --> 00:12:36,865 Speaker 2: I know a lot of women can't, especially in midlife, 262 00:12:36,865 --> 00:12:39,825 Speaker 2: because we're very vulnerable. You know, nothing's working in a body. 263 00:12:39,905 --> 00:12:41,825 Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't know who we are anymore. This is 264 00:12:41,825 --> 00:12:42,985 Speaker 1: a new person. 265 00:12:42,985 --> 00:12:44,745 Speaker 2: And then you have very low self esteem. So the 266 00:12:44,865 --> 00:12:46,585 Speaker 2: last thing you need is someone go, you know what 267 00:12:46,625 --> 00:12:48,465 Speaker 2: you look like? Shit on with it? 268 00:12:48,625 --> 00:12:53,745 Speaker 1: Yes, So it's more about suggesting alternatives, I guess yes. 269 00:12:54,185 --> 00:12:57,785 Speaker 2: I actually recently changed my Instagram handle too. I used 270 00:12:57,785 --> 00:13:00,545 Speaker 2: to label myself as a fashion director a fashion statist, 271 00:13:01,265 --> 00:13:04,385 Speaker 2: so now my new title I gave myself is fashion 272 00:13:04,465 --> 00:13:07,985 Speaker 2: style and hanswer because I realized a lot of women 273 00:13:08,065 --> 00:13:11,465 Speaker 2: do not like big changes. If you want to wear 274 00:13:11,505 --> 00:13:14,785 Speaker 2: your ugly crocs, which is fine, I will just tweak 275 00:13:14,865 --> 00:13:16,705 Speaker 2: everything would enhance your look. 276 00:13:18,465 --> 00:13:20,145 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess that way they still keep an 277 00:13:20,185 --> 00:13:23,185 Speaker 1: element of their personal style, which is probably in there somewhere. 278 00:13:23,545 --> 00:13:26,385 Speaker 1: But it's more about you know, modernizing, enhancing. I like 279 00:13:26,465 --> 00:13:29,025 Speaker 1: that I have friends that you know, there might be 280 00:13:29,105 --> 00:13:31,985 Speaker 1: lawyers or you know, have really kind of serious jobs 281 00:13:31,985 --> 00:13:35,265 Speaker 1: that aren't around what they wear. But they they don't 282 00:13:35,265 --> 00:13:38,225 Speaker 1: have the confidence or they just think it's too hard, 283 00:13:38,305 --> 00:13:40,785 Speaker 1: like they have to have this humongous change by a 284 00:13:40,825 --> 00:13:43,825 Speaker 1: whole new wardrobe, and that's just in the too hard basket. 285 00:13:44,065 --> 00:13:46,425 Speaker 1: What do we do when we feel uncertain, we don't 286 00:13:46,425 --> 00:13:48,625 Speaker 1: want to buy a whole new wardrobe? What do we do? 287 00:13:49,625 --> 00:13:52,385 Speaker 2: Okay? First of all, I highly recommend to do a 288 00:13:52,665 --> 00:13:56,185 Speaker 2: clothing swap with your friends and have a party because 289 00:13:56,625 --> 00:13:58,465 Speaker 2: you don't know what each other have. Or sometimes you 290 00:13:58,505 --> 00:14:00,105 Speaker 2: look at your friends and I really like the top 291 00:14:00,145 --> 00:14:01,585 Speaker 2: or a skirt and you borrow it. Yes, I think 292 00:14:01,585 --> 00:14:04,385 Speaker 2: that's number one. Number two, if you want to change 293 00:14:04,385 --> 00:14:06,265 Speaker 2: your start and you don't know where the fuck to start, 294 00:14:06,425 --> 00:14:09,225 Speaker 2: just start with something small. I have all of a 295 00:14:09,345 --> 00:14:11,625 Speaker 2: hundred hundred pairs of socks and then mostly from Japan. 296 00:14:11,785 --> 00:14:12,105 Speaker 1: Wow. 297 00:14:12,745 --> 00:14:16,865 Speaker 2: If you want to bring in colors to your outfit, 298 00:14:17,025 --> 00:14:20,305 Speaker 2: stuff something small, a jewry or bag or socks, because 299 00:14:20,305 --> 00:14:22,305 Speaker 2: there's something smoking to just take off. Yeah, other than 300 00:14:23,105 --> 00:14:25,825 Speaker 2: right pink top, right red top, it's not the fly 301 00:14:26,145 --> 00:14:29,905 Speaker 2: or like a fun bag or earrings. You know. Jewelry. 302 00:14:29,945 --> 00:14:32,625 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a jury girl, so I love jewry 303 00:14:32,905 --> 00:14:35,785 Speaker 2: and it's just easy. It's so easy, just with some 304 00:14:35,945 --> 00:14:36,945 Speaker 2: of those accessories. 305 00:14:36,945 --> 00:14:40,425 Speaker 1: First, yeah, okay, you touched on sort of style and shape. 306 00:14:40,425 --> 00:14:42,345 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask a bit more about that because 307 00:14:42,545 --> 00:14:44,425 Speaker 1: when people say they want to get more confident with 308 00:14:44,625 --> 00:14:48,865 Speaker 1: putting outfits together, I always immediately think color. But I'm 309 00:14:48,905 --> 00:14:51,665 Speaker 1: not particularly a color person. So how can we kind 310 00:14:51,705 --> 00:14:55,065 Speaker 1: of get more confident or have more unique style? I 311 00:14:55,105 --> 00:14:58,465 Speaker 1: guess with color, but also our shapes and proportions a 312 00:14:58,545 --> 00:15:01,225 Speaker 1: way to get more personal style. If you're not going 313 00:15:01,305 --> 00:15:04,585 Speaker 1: to be wearing head to toe orange or pink or yellow, I. 314 00:15:04,505 --> 00:15:07,785 Speaker 2: Think the key thing is to get a fisial idea 315 00:15:08,265 --> 00:15:09,665 Speaker 2: of what kind of person you want to be there. 316 00:15:09,985 --> 00:15:11,865 Speaker 2: So for me, every day I say to myself, what 317 00:15:11,945 --> 00:15:14,225 Speaker 2: kind of story you want to tell today? Am I 318 00:15:14,385 --> 00:15:17,825 Speaker 2: the oversized outfit grades? Or am I there don't fuck 319 00:15:17,865 --> 00:15:20,105 Speaker 2: with me grace today? So which means I'm going to 320 00:15:20,105 --> 00:15:21,865 Speaker 2: be more hardcore the way I dress and more like 321 00:15:21,905 --> 00:15:24,865 Speaker 2: street style, Or am I going to be feminine grades, 322 00:15:24,905 --> 00:15:27,705 Speaker 2: which is a bit more girly. So when you create 323 00:15:27,745 --> 00:15:30,065 Speaker 2: a look for yourself, definitely think of a story that 324 00:15:30,105 --> 00:15:33,105 Speaker 2: you want to tell today, Okay, Or you go to 325 00:15:33,625 --> 00:15:36,465 Speaker 2: online and find some star icon that you like and 326 00:15:36,505 --> 00:15:39,745 Speaker 2: just take small elements from them and see whether you 327 00:15:39,785 --> 00:15:40,985 Speaker 2: can apply on yourself. 328 00:15:41,105 --> 00:15:41,345 Speaker 1: Yep. 329 00:15:42,065 --> 00:15:44,705 Speaker 2: First, I think you need to practice at home and 330 00:15:44,865 --> 00:15:47,425 Speaker 2: deck out the outfit that you don't normally dare to wear. 331 00:15:47,625 --> 00:15:50,505 Speaker 2: Just write at home, see what other people think, and 332 00:15:50,585 --> 00:15:52,345 Speaker 2: can you tweet it? Once you get used to it, 333 00:15:53,025 --> 00:15:55,345 Speaker 2: then you go outside the door and you step to 334 00:15:55,385 --> 00:15:59,225 Speaker 2: the real world. And also when you try something new, 335 00:15:59,265 --> 00:16:01,545 Speaker 2: you have to own it and not be very shy 336 00:16:01,585 --> 00:16:04,425 Speaker 2: about it, otherwise you just go back to your old wace. 337 00:16:04,985 --> 00:16:07,385 Speaker 1: Do you have any thrifting tips, what do we look for? 338 00:16:07,465 --> 00:16:08,305 Speaker 1: Where do we go? 339 00:16:08,425 --> 00:16:12,145 Speaker 2: It's quite overwhelm even for someone like me who's I've 340 00:16:12,145 --> 00:16:14,865 Speaker 2: done stript shopping, you know, for all my adult's life, 341 00:16:15,625 --> 00:16:17,385 Speaker 2: because where I used to live in notting Hill, we 342 00:16:17,465 --> 00:16:21,625 Speaker 2: have Portabello roal market every single weekend, and before I 343 00:16:21,745 --> 00:16:25,105 Speaker 2: moved back to Asia, most of my wardrobes of vintage 344 00:16:25,305 --> 00:16:29,665 Speaker 2: or secondhand or just really like bloody cool stuff. But 345 00:16:29,705 --> 00:16:32,185 Speaker 2: you know, Chinese people very superstitious. So when I tell 346 00:16:32,225 --> 00:16:34,225 Speaker 2: my mom that I buy second endclothes, she fre example, 347 00:16:34,385 --> 00:16:35,105 Speaker 2: who died in it? 348 00:16:36,665 --> 00:16:39,025 Speaker 1: Oh my god? I love that. Well, It's true. I mean, 349 00:16:39,105 --> 00:16:41,785 Speaker 1: there are lots of different barriers to it. For some people, 350 00:16:41,865 --> 00:16:44,665 Speaker 1: they just find it too hard, too overwhelming. You know, 351 00:16:44,785 --> 00:16:46,785 Speaker 1: they like going to the Westfield and seeing just all 352 00:16:46,825 --> 00:16:48,945 Speaker 1: those pink pants and all the sizes. But I just 353 00:16:48,985 --> 00:16:51,185 Speaker 1: think there's such a joy. But it is a skill 354 00:16:51,425 --> 00:16:52,945 Speaker 1: or you definitely need time. 355 00:16:53,345 --> 00:16:56,145 Speaker 2: Oh you can't go into any stript shop and be 356 00:16:56,505 --> 00:17:00,065 Speaker 2: rushing because it takes so long. I can easily spend 357 00:17:00,105 --> 00:17:01,585 Speaker 2: when I go to New York or go back to 358 00:17:01,625 --> 00:17:04,545 Speaker 2: London or Paris, I can easily spend in one shop 359 00:17:04,625 --> 00:17:05,305 Speaker 2: like three hours. 360 00:17:05,345 --> 00:17:08,225 Speaker 1: Me too, Me too. I've made the mistake for going 361 00:17:08,265 --> 00:17:10,425 Speaker 1: in thinking I wanted to find a particular item. But 362 00:17:10,465 --> 00:17:12,585 Speaker 1: you kind of have to let the goldfind you, right Like, 363 00:17:12,625 --> 00:17:14,825 Speaker 1: you have to just have an open mind. 364 00:17:14,585 --> 00:17:16,585 Speaker 2: One hundred percent, and you need to try everything. You 365 00:17:16,625 --> 00:17:18,825 Speaker 2: can't just look at it something and just go put 366 00:17:18,865 --> 00:17:21,105 Speaker 2: it back, which a lot of us do. I think 367 00:17:21,145 --> 00:17:22,945 Speaker 2: what you need to do is if you are looking 368 00:17:22,945 --> 00:17:26,305 Speaker 2: for a particular item, you go to that section, you 369 00:17:26,425 --> 00:17:30,025 Speaker 2: pick up something, maybe five things that you would wear yep, 370 00:17:30,425 --> 00:17:33,425 Speaker 2: three things. It's not you at all, just to try. 371 00:17:33,705 --> 00:17:36,705 Speaker 2: You don't have to buy, just try. See. So once 372 00:17:36,745 --> 00:17:41,465 Speaker 2: you start practicing that for every single top, panskirt, dress, jacket, 373 00:17:42,145 --> 00:17:44,625 Speaker 2: you will start have a rhythm of how to shop. 374 00:17:44,865 --> 00:17:46,745 Speaker 1: That is such a good tip because I guess if 375 00:17:46,745 --> 00:17:49,185 Speaker 1: you're going to the regular retail stores, you know, often 376 00:17:49,225 --> 00:17:51,905 Speaker 1: the same silhouettes are in every store. But if you 377 00:17:51,905 --> 00:17:53,385 Speaker 1: go to a thrift shop, it's a great way to 378 00:17:53,425 --> 00:17:56,385 Speaker 1: just try stuff on because there's so much variety. I'd 379 00:17:56,465 --> 00:17:59,505 Speaker 1: love to get your personal and professional opinion on trends, 380 00:17:59,545 --> 00:18:02,465 Speaker 1: because I think the Internet and the world is going 381 00:18:02,545 --> 00:18:05,905 Speaker 1: faster than ever before, and everything's a trend, and I 382 00:18:05,985 --> 00:18:07,985 Speaker 1: like a trend. I'd say I'm a middle adopter, but 383 00:18:08,065 --> 00:18:10,905 Speaker 1: I also don't really follow them, if that makes sense. 384 00:18:11,105 --> 00:18:13,865 Speaker 1: I'll wear something old that I don't care is not 385 00:18:13,945 --> 00:18:16,505 Speaker 1: in fashion because I feel good in it. What are 386 00:18:16,505 --> 00:18:17,865 Speaker 1: your thoughts on trends? 387 00:18:18,105 --> 00:18:21,745 Speaker 2: I am not a trend follower, and that question is 388 00:18:21,825 --> 00:18:25,625 Speaker 2: kind of frustrating for me because I mean, who's like 389 00:18:25,745 --> 00:18:27,825 Speaker 2: five to eleven who looks like you know, JUGI HARDI 390 00:18:28,065 --> 00:18:31,305 Speaker 2: every day, right, Yeah, most of us are not. Yeah, 391 00:18:31,345 --> 00:18:33,585 Speaker 2: So trends only look good in like if you're like 392 00:18:33,625 --> 00:18:35,745 Speaker 2: five to eleven, about five nine, you know, if your 393 00:18:35,785 --> 00:18:38,665 Speaker 2: kke mask all that stuff. So for real people like us, 394 00:18:39,065 --> 00:18:41,985 Speaker 2: I don't like to tell my clients, oh, you need 395 00:18:41,985 --> 00:18:44,025 Speaker 2: to follow this trend in that trend because I don't either. 396 00:18:44,265 --> 00:18:46,585 Speaker 2: I love that, and I feel like I would take 397 00:18:46,705 --> 00:18:50,145 Speaker 2: elements of the current trend and say do you like 398 00:18:50,225 --> 00:18:53,425 Speaker 2: this or not. Let's say, like for winter this season, 399 00:18:53,545 --> 00:18:56,905 Speaker 2: like the deep burgundy brown is in. I don't think 400 00:18:56,945 --> 00:18:58,905 Speaker 2: I have anything like that because I just think that's 401 00:18:58,985 --> 00:19:02,945 Speaker 2: just a dowdy color. I would not buy anything. However, 402 00:19:03,105 --> 00:19:06,865 Speaker 2: I did steal my son's uniclo jumper last week and 403 00:19:06,945 --> 00:19:07,425 Speaker 2: it's brown. 404 00:19:08,665 --> 00:19:11,065 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, And people could do the version of that 405 00:19:11,105 --> 00:19:13,465 Speaker 1: by going thrifting and maybe looking for an element, but 406 00:19:13,625 --> 00:19:15,665 Speaker 1: not you know, having to invest in a whole new, 407 00:19:15,705 --> 00:19:18,025 Speaker 1: brand new thing from the story exactly. 408 00:19:18,265 --> 00:19:23,705 Speaker 2: And with trends, I feel like nowadays it's always repeating, regurgitating, 409 00:19:23,785 --> 00:19:26,065 Speaker 2: like you know, back in the sixties, seven to eighties, nineties, 410 00:19:26,665 --> 00:19:29,665 Speaker 2: so nothing is really new. Yes, well, I don't think 411 00:19:29,705 --> 00:19:32,545 Speaker 2: you can put a time kept on what you must buy. 412 00:19:32,585 --> 00:19:35,185 Speaker 2: The season or the trend is this and that. So 413 00:19:35,465 --> 00:19:39,265 Speaker 2: I would suggest for women to buy things that is 414 00:19:39,305 --> 00:19:41,625 Speaker 2: more like a capsule collection. You can exchange all with 415 00:19:41,665 --> 00:19:45,345 Speaker 2: different seasons, and you can you know, wear one item 416 00:19:45,425 --> 00:20:00,145 Speaker 2: in three ways. That's more practical and money saving. It's 417 00:20:00,305 --> 00:20:01,265 Speaker 2: very expensive. 418 00:20:01,745 --> 00:20:07,825 Speaker 1: How wonder all right before we do Voosian budgets. Can 419 00:20:07,865 --> 00:20:10,145 Speaker 1: you tell us some of your affordable brands right now 420 00:20:10,145 --> 00:20:12,545 Speaker 1: that you think everyone should know about? You know, they 421 00:20:12,545 --> 00:20:13,945 Speaker 1: can be Australian international. 422 00:20:14,305 --> 00:20:16,545 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, since I'm a new bi in Melbourne, 423 00:20:16,625 --> 00:20:19,025 Speaker 2: I like to support local talents. So I'm going to 424 00:20:19,065 --> 00:20:24,305 Speaker 2: introduce my brand of Melbourne Loaf l o WF is 425 00:20:24,385 --> 00:20:29,025 Speaker 2: a super cool unisex which I love, quality street streetwear 426 00:20:29,065 --> 00:20:34,945 Speaker 2: and they're very eco conscious search for organic material, recycled material. 427 00:20:35,025 --> 00:20:37,465 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, so I've never heard of them. 428 00:20:37,465 --> 00:20:38,625 Speaker 1: I'm going to need to check them out. 429 00:20:38,785 --> 00:20:42,025 Speaker 2: And then another great brand. I love this brand as well. 430 00:20:42,105 --> 00:20:46,665 Speaker 2: It's called the Best Jumpers, So their local brand, designed 431 00:20:46,665 --> 00:20:50,025 Speaker 2: in Melbourne and made in Melbourne by the co founder 432 00:20:49,985 --> 00:20:54,625 Speaker 2: of Dylan Best, who's half honky, right, you know my people. 433 00:20:56,585 --> 00:21:00,065 Speaker 2: So I bought this amazing like wall double breasted suit 434 00:21:00,145 --> 00:21:02,705 Speaker 2: jacket and I've been wearing it to death. My son 435 00:21:02,785 --> 00:21:04,505 Speaker 2: is like, are you wearing that again? I'm like, yes, 436 00:21:04,545 --> 00:21:05,985 Speaker 2: because I look fucking cool. 437 00:21:06,145 --> 00:21:08,425 Speaker 1: Yes, I love it. And that's the point of our wardrobe, right, 438 00:21:08,465 --> 00:21:10,985 Speaker 1: We're meant to be wearing things more than a few times. 439 00:21:11,745 --> 00:21:14,345 Speaker 1: So they you're bougies, yes, yeah, Okay, I'm going to 440 00:21:14,385 --> 00:21:16,425 Speaker 1: give you my boogie, which isn't that boogie, but I'm 441 00:21:16,425 --> 00:21:20,065 Speaker 1: trying to keep it realistic for my bank account. I 442 00:21:20,265 --> 00:21:22,105 Speaker 1: just thought, because I have to admit, I love the 443 00:21:22,105 --> 00:21:23,905 Speaker 1: look of sneakers, but I just don't have much of 444 00:21:23,945 --> 00:21:26,225 Speaker 1: an ankle. That's why I hate winter shoes. They're just 445 00:21:26,305 --> 00:21:29,545 Speaker 1: hard and I'm lazy, and I love my honest Suker 446 00:21:29,545 --> 00:21:31,585 Speaker 1: Tigers from a few years ago. So I bought the 447 00:21:31,665 --> 00:21:34,705 Speaker 1: new Mexico sixty six slip on. So they just look 448 00:21:34,825 --> 00:21:36,945 Speaker 1: like a sneaker, but you don't have to sit down 449 00:21:36,985 --> 00:21:39,105 Speaker 1: or bend down and do up your lasers. And I'm 450 00:21:39,145 --> 00:21:42,825 Speaker 1: too creaky and sore and old to do up my lacers. 451 00:21:43,185 --> 00:21:45,185 Speaker 1: They are the most comfortable shoes I've ever bought. You 452 00:21:45,185 --> 00:21:47,345 Speaker 1: can get a fabric kind of version, like a kind 453 00:21:47,345 --> 00:21:49,385 Speaker 1: of canvas or that that might not be warm enough 454 00:21:49,385 --> 00:21:51,545 Speaker 1: for Melbourne. They're one sixty, or you can get the 455 00:21:51,545 --> 00:21:54,305 Speaker 1: sort of suede leather traditional on a Suker Tiger for 456 00:21:55,105 --> 00:21:57,785 Speaker 1: two thirty. I paid and I thought, oh, well, I 457 00:21:57,865 --> 00:21:59,745 Speaker 1: wear them enough, and I've They're the only things I'm 458 00:21:59,745 --> 00:22:02,265 Speaker 1: wearing in winter because I'm just I'm too lazy. So 459 00:22:02,305 --> 00:22:03,985 Speaker 1: They're my bougie. They're worth it. 460 00:22:04,065 --> 00:22:04,985 Speaker 2: Do you have socks with them? 461 00:22:05,505 --> 00:22:08,665 Speaker 1: Depends on I mean, I'm trying to move past being 462 00:22:08,665 --> 00:22:10,905 Speaker 1: the ankle sock girl, but I just don't have ankles. 463 00:22:10,945 --> 00:22:13,705 Speaker 1: So then if I wear the thicker kind of cool 464 00:22:13,905 --> 00:22:16,545 Speaker 1: cruise sock, I don't, it doesn't look great. I normally 465 00:22:16,545 --> 00:22:20,025 Speaker 1: wear like quite a long barrel jean that'll be puffed 466 00:22:20,065 --> 00:22:21,785 Speaker 1: up a little bit, but still you won't see my ankle, 467 00:22:22,225 --> 00:22:24,345 Speaker 1: or like a really wide leg jean. I got some 468 00:22:24,425 --> 00:22:27,065 Speaker 1: free people wide leg jeans recently that are like almost 469 00:22:27,105 --> 00:22:29,025 Speaker 1: like tents. They're so huge, so you can't even really 470 00:22:29,065 --> 00:22:30,945 Speaker 1: see the shoes. But I'm very comfortable. 471 00:22:31,225 --> 00:22:33,185 Speaker 2: Oh before I forget, I want to give you one 472 00:22:33,265 --> 00:22:34,145 Speaker 2: more bougie. 473 00:22:34,185 --> 00:22:35,865 Speaker 1: Oh yes, please, The more the better. 474 00:22:36,065 --> 00:22:38,905 Speaker 2: Yes, because a lot of my clients actually quite lazy 475 00:22:38,905 --> 00:22:42,865 Speaker 2: to go shopping, Yeah, something like prefer online shopping. 476 00:22:42,945 --> 00:22:43,465 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's me. 477 00:22:43,905 --> 00:22:46,425 Speaker 2: I'm nice. So do you know theflow dot com? 478 00:22:46,465 --> 00:22:47,985 Speaker 1: No, but I'm going on there right now. 479 00:22:48,225 --> 00:22:50,665 Speaker 2: Yes. It's founded by a very good friend of mine 480 00:22:50,705 --> 00:22:54,705 Speaker 2: who's a kickass woman from Spanish Lupi porter and she 481 00:22:55,105 --> 00:22:57,865 Speaker 2: was the head of customer service and shopping for Nata 482 00:22:57,945 --> 00:23:00,345 Speaker 2: Porte and mister Porter for over fifteen years. 483 00:23:00,385 --> 00:23:01,145 Speaker 1: Wow. 484 00:23:01,265 --> 00:23:03,905 Speaker 2: But this is like advanced technology that we're talking about. 485 00:23:03,985 --> 00:23:07,345 Speaker 2: So I am on it as well as a stylist Creade, 486 00:23:07,425 --> 00:23:10,105 Speaker 2: So the stylust can go on and sign up and 487 00:23:10,185 --> 00:23:12,865 Speaker 2: create a mood bop just for the client. So if 488 00:23:12,905 --> 00:23:14,025 Speaker 2: you come to me, say hey, I want to be 489 00:23:14,185 --> 00:23:16,905 Speaker 2: visiting there. So what they do is they source. It's 490 00:23:16,985 --> 00:23:21,945 Speaker 2: not like a it's a multi brand. They even have Netaporte, Reezer, 491 00:23:22,585 --> 00:23:24,705 Speaker 2: Prada shop of everything on this website. 492 00:23:24,865 --> 00:23:27,265 Speaker 1: The client can then purchase from your edit. 493 00:23:27,345 --> 00:23:28,905 Speaker 2: Except from my mood board? Is that me? 494 00:23:29,345 --> 00:23:32,265 Speaker 1: So it's like a Pinterest but for direct shopping. 495 00:23:32,305 --> 00:23:35,465 Speaker 2: That's so clever, very clever. And then she's won so 496 00:23:35,505 --> 00:23:40,345 Speaker 2: many awards. So my latest purchase is the Jaquamu's little 497 00:23:40,345 --> 00:23:45,465 Speaker 2: mini bag right orange, the La Bambino. It is so cute. 498 00:23:45,625 --> 00:23:48,665 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean I think it was about but 499 00:23:48,865 --> 00:23:49,785 Speaker 2: six hundred dollars. 500 00:23:49,865 --> 00:23:53,545 Speaker 1: Oh that's good for that brand. And hey, so there's 501 00:23:53,745 --> 00:23:57,065 Speaker 1: sale items within this app. Yes, oh what have you 502 00:23:57,145 --> 00:23:59,345 Speaker 1: done to me? This is bad news but very good news. 503 00:23:59,745 --> 00:24:01,945 Speaker 1: You know, I know what's your budget? 504 00:24:02,225 --> 00:24:04,665 Speaker 2: I mean where do I start? You know? I make 505 00:24:04,865 --> 00:24:07,385 Speaker 2: high and low throughout my whole life because I was 506 00:24:07,545 --> 00:24:12,225 Speaker 2: well trained by my mother. Fuji Mooji Moodie. How much 507 00:24:12,225 --> 00:24:13,225 Speaker 2: do we love Moojie. 508 00:24:13,265 --> 00:24:14,865 Speaker 1: I love Moodie, but I normally just go and buy 509 00:24:14,865 --> 00:24:17,545 Speaker 1: the little trinkets for my beauty staff. The cool shape 510 00:24:17,585 --> 00:24:19,305 Speaker 1: link rollers I have. Don't think I've ever looked at 511 00:24:19,305 --> 00:24:21,145 Speaker 1: their fashion what no I know? 512 00:24:21,865 --> 00:24:25,105 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. So because Melbourne is so damn cold, 513 00:24:25,305 --> 00:24:28,025 Speaker 2: I actually don't have enough jumpers, so of course actually 514 00:24:28,105 --> 00:24:30,985 Speaker 2: know what. Moujie was the biggest pool for me to 515 00:24:31,025 --> 00:24:33,785 Speaker 2: convince my eleven year old son to move to Melbourne. 516 00:24:33,945 --> 00:24:36,065 Speaker 1: I love that. What a cool guy. 517 00:24:35,905 --> 00:24:38,105 Speaker 2: Because he's a huge numatic about stationaries. 518 00:24:38,145 --> 00:24:41,065 Speaker 1: I'm not the pays Yes, Muji. 519 00:24:41,305 --> 00:24:44,905 Speaker 2: Socks, as I said, socks is very cool. Ranges from 520 00:24:44,905 --> 00:24:46,745 Speaker 2: two dollars to ten dollars. So if you want to 521 00:24:46,745 --> 00:24:50,745 Speaker 2: start your sock journey, go to Muji by. They have 522 00:24:50,825 --> 00:24:54,225 Speaker 2: loads of playing cool colors like pay like bright colors, 523 00:24:54,345 --> 00:24:56,025 Speaker 2: very cheap. Two dollars to ten I think they have 524 00:24:56,625 --> 00:24:59,625 Speaker 2: right now. Oh gosh, that's like a really thick wool 525 00:24:59,745 --> 00:25:04,065 Speaker 2: jumper for ninety nine dollars. But it's very warm and 526 00:25:04,225 --> 00:25:05,025 Speaker 2: it will last river. 527 00:25:05,145 --> 00:25:07,305 Speaker 1: Yeah, the quality is phenomenal. It isn't. Everything they do 528 00:25:07,465 --> 00:25:09,345 Speaker 1: is so impeccable in terms of quality. 529 00:25:09,425 --> 00:25:11,065 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want to go to buy more soft 530 00:25:11,185 --> 00:25:15,705 Speaker 2: happy socks, always good you company ninety dollars Prepare if 531 00:25:15,705 --> 00:25:18,105 Speaker 2: you do it, buy a bundo of sixty nine. Okay, 532 00:25:18,225 --> 00:25:20,905 Speaker 2: well Man does a lot of fun socks, really cute 533 00:25:21,225 --> 00:25:22,305 Speaker 2: nine dollars to fifteen. 534 00:25:22,545 --> 00:25:25,705 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'm going to get into socks. You've inspired me. Wow. 535 00:25:26,065 --> 00:25:30,025 Speaker 2: I can also Pare, the brand that makes underwear tracks 536 00:25:30,025 --> 00:25:33,185 Speaker 2: of Oh yes, so they so. I The reason I 537 00:25:33,305 --> 00:25:35,265 Speaker 2: know about them because I came off of Christmas and 538 00:25:35,305 --> 00:25:38,585 Speaker 2: I saw this and then they they had this underwear 539 00:25:38,585 --> 00:25:40,505 Speaker 2: that is very see through and it's perfect for trouble. 540 00:25:40,545 --> 00:25:43,465 Speaker 2: You just wash them in your hair dry them. Oh wow, amazing. 541 00:25:43,625 --> 00:25:45,265 Speaker 2: I've bought like I don't know, and they come in 542 00:25:45,305 --> 00:25:47,545 Speaker 2: little like liftick Cube, which is so cute. Oh that's 543 00:25:47,585 --> 00:25:50,705 Speaker 2: so cool to thirty six. A bundle is forty seven. 544 00:25:50,745 --> 00:25:52,865 Speaker 2: They're on sell right now, so go and check them out. 545 00:25:52,985 --> 00:25:55,745 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you were in the right job, my friend. 546 00:25:55,985 --> 00:25:58,825 Speaker 2: Those are like my go to and also obviously op Shop. 547 00:25:58,905 --> 00:25:59,865 Speaker 2: I love op shops. 548 00:25:59,905 --> 00:26:01,745 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're lucky enough to live near one, and 549 00:26:01,745 --> 00:26:05,145 Speaker 1: thankfully more and more online platforms, not just that kind 550 00:26:05,185 --> 00:26:06,985 Speaker 1: of high end. We're kind of getting a bit of 551 00:26:06,985 --> 00:26:09,825 Speaker 1: everything everywhere. I'll quickly give you my badget. Ever, I 552 00:26:09,865 --> 00:26:12,105 Speaker 1: think for this winter is kind of cool. Chunky, really 553 00:26:12,145 --> 00:26:15,065 Speaker 1: big scarves. I think it's the best winter update. I mean, 554 00:26:15,065 --> 00:26:16,665 Speaker 1: depending where you live. But even if you've got your 555 00:26:16,705 --> 00:26:19,825 Speaker 1: old trench on over your Lululemons, you'll hate that, but 556 00:26:19,825 --> 00:26:22,305 Speaker 1: you're running to pick up chucking on just a really 557 00:26:22,305 --> 00:26:24,545 Speaker 1: big scarf just looks kind of cool. It's you know, 558 00:26:24,625 --> 00:26:27,945 Speaker 1: remember that photo of Lenny Rabat's from a dead It 559 00:26:28,065 --> 00:26:31,585 Speaker 1: was basically wearing a king size knitted blanket. But they're 560 00:26:31,665 --> 00:26:33,745 Speaker 1: everywhere and they're really affordable. My one that I love 561 00:26:33,785 --> 00:26:36,585 Speaker 1: at the moment is the Uniclo jw Anderson heat Tech. 562 00:26:36,625 --> 00:26:38,265 Speaker 1: It comes in a gray of brown or a navy. 563 00:26:39,145 --> 00:26:41,265 Speaker 1: That's a limited edition though, but they've got some really big, 564 00:26:41,545 --> 00:26:44,185 Speaker 1: kind of great chunky ones. I'm sure Moodie probably has 565 00:26:44,265 --> 00:26:47,745 Speaker 1: a beautiful chunky knit. They're kind of everywhere, they're affordable, 566 00:26:47,865 --> 00:26:49,945 Speaker 1: and you just chuck it on. And because most people 567 00:26:49,945 --> 00:26:51,865 Speaker 1: see you from here up, they think, oh, she's putting 568 00:26:51,905 --> 00:26:53,825 Speaker 1: some effort, and they're not noticing the leggings. 569 00:26:54,065 --> 00:26:56,785 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I think chunky is the way forward. 570 00:26:57,025 --> 00:27:00,105 Speaker 1: Yeah, Grace, you're a legend. You weren't anywhere near as 571 00:27:00,145 --> 00:27:02,465 Speaker 1: scary as I thought you might be. I love chatting 572 00:27:02,505 --> 00:27:04,745 Speaker 1: to you, and I'm gonna keep you posted on my 573 00:27:04,785 --> 00:27:05,785 Speaker 1: sock journey. 574 00:27:05,705 --> 00:27:08,425 Speaker 2: Unless we're resting pictures for you people, I love it 575 00:27:08,505 --> 00:27:09,505 Speaker 2: until you piss me off. 576 00:27:09,905 --> 00:27:12,105 Speaker 1: You're wonderful. I can't wait to have you back. Thanks 577 00:27:12,105 --> 00:27:12,825 Speaker 1: for joining us. 578 00:27:12,905 --> 00:27:16,105 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 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