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Speaker 1: Hello. Hello. Welcome. This is the daily podcast for your face,

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Speaker 1: So on the show today our advice to revive dry

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Speaker 1: frizzy hair, which sounds like it was written by me,

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Speaker 1: but it was not today. But first Caitlin has asked.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Lian Kelly. Thank you. For all of the advice,

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Speaker 2: we would be completely lost without you. Beauty. I've been

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Speaker 2: introducing Retinol into my weekly routine, but I've read a

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Speaker 2: lot of conflicting advice regarding moisturiser.

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Speaker 2: I understand that retinol can be drying and that I

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Speaker 2: need to up my moisturiser game on my non retinol

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Speaker 2: nights and mornings. But do I layer my evening moisturiser

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Speaker 2: and oil on top of the retinol? Alternatively, I've also

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Speaker 2: read that you should apply retinol and then wait 30

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Speaker 2: minutes before applying other products, or that you shouldn't apply

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Speaker 2: any other products. That evening. I also read that you

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Speaker 2: should buffer your retinol with a layer of moisturiser first.

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Speaker 2: What's a confused girl to do? Help,

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Speaker 1: Please, Caitlin, you are not the only one confused by retinol.

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Speaker 1: It is a confusing ingredient. You can make a podcast

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Speaker 1: just about retinol. There's a Facebook group. I'm in it. Ok, well,

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Speaker 1: I've just joined just about just about that. And this

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Speaker 1: is the thing, because when we get into retinol, it's

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Speaker 1: so all encompassing, you know? Are you using an over

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Speaker 1: the counter retinol from number seven or Ola Or are

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Speaker 1: we talking Tret? Are you on prescription? So,

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Speaker 1: you know, vitamin A retinol retinoid. They're all different, but

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Speaker 1: it's all the same group. But it depends on what

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Speaker 1: if your skin's used to actives. But

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Speaker 1: essentially everything you've suggested is fine. It's just what works

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Speaker 1: for you. So firstly, you say, I know I need

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Speaker 1: to up my moisture game on my non retinol night

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Speaker 1: slash Morning. So just a reminder. Make sure you're never

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Speaker 1: using retinol in the morning. Only at night time go

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Speaker 1: out into the sun and you'll be like Damon Salvato

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Speaker 1: without his ring on. And you're the one that shimmers

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Speaker 1: or something. I've never seen the wrong wrong vampire, but

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Speaker 1: the sun and die. That's what will happen to with

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Speaker 1: retinol and no, you won't die, but you're very susceptible

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Speaker 1: to sun exposure. Sunburn, sun damage, skin cancer. So retinol

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Speaker 1: night time only, and then in the mornings. Obviously, when

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Speaker 1: and how strong it is, I don't know how often

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Speaker 1: saying on her non figure and look if you are

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Speaker 1: new to retinol or about to start, you do wanna

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Speaker 1: quite drying. It's really accelerating your cell turnover and in turn,

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Speaker 1: it's completely up to you. I

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Speaker 1: then a layer of retinol, then a layer of hydration.

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Speaker 1: So the hydration is your bread. Your retinol is your Devon.

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Speaker 1: Are you looking at me funny because of Devon? No,

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Speaker 1: And then it's up to you. What? You put on top. Really?

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Speaker 1: Like you can put oil on top of your serum

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Speaker 1: this one's actually designed to be used on bare skin

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Speaker 1: like a disclaimer in the top. It doesn't necessarily matter

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Speaker 1: what someone else is saying. If something is working in

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Speaker 1: Like if it's burning after 10 minutes, rinse it off

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Speaker 1: you need your hydration. We're only gonna do it at night,

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Speaker 1: Next up, Natoli has asked.

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Speaker 1: Hi, you beauty! Beautiful ladies, Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: your daily beauty content always cheers me up on my

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Speaker 1: way to work. My hair needs your serious help. I've

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Speaker 1: had lots of hair fall out after Covid now settled,

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Speaker 1: Unless I straighten it or use heat, I'm a mess

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Speaker 1: and desperately need your advice to help me rejuvenate my

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Speaker 1: hair and now have very long dry, wavy hair would

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Speaker 1: love to be able to wear it natural a few

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Speaker 1: times during the week. Also, I've been using Cartas Genesis

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Speaker 1: shampoo and conditioner. I've tried lots of oils, including Carris elixir,

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Speaker 1: and use K 18 every third wash.

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Speaker 1: So she says she uses K 18, and she loves it.

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Speaker 1: I don't love it. You love it, Kelly. I absolutely

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Speaker 1: love it. It is. It strengthens the bonds of your

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Speaker 1: No condition. I mean, you can. I sometimes will still

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Speaker 1: use conditioner and then just use it afterwards. But the

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Speaker 1: allowed to touch it for five minutes like you really

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Speaker 1: and I absolutely love it. My hair was horrific postpartum,

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Speaker 1: and it completely stopped all of the breakage. Alright, Nat,

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Speaker 1: let's talk through this So you can say you now

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Speaker 1: A trim will just you split in that beautiful blunt freshness.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to go short. Do it like there's

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Speaker 1: A hairdresser will help you, but also they'll probably yeah,

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Speaker 1: because I'm guessing it's also wavy. You don't want to

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Speaker 1: go too short. Carrot would be a fantastic option for you.

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Speaker 1: Don't think of the carrot in a decade ago that

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Speaker 1: you had poker straight hair. This just literally takes the

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Speaker 1: Keep your wave. It'll just soften out the freeze and

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Speaker 1: it lasts as long as your hair grows. So it's

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Speaker 1: only the roots that need redoing the next time. That's

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Speaker 1: an option. Cara Genesis shampoo and conditioner are great, but

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Speaker 1: then you're using oils. I think we need to get

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Speaker 1: you want something that's gonna sort of do that. Humidity protection,

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Speaker 1: frizz control while your hair is wet. So some options

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Speaker 1: for you, my friend, one that I've used and I

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Speaker 1: I'll turn a hair. My hair, my canvas. Easy does

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Speaker 1: it air? Dry balm. You can get it from a

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Speaker 1: door Beauty, $39. It is just this really beautiful, like balmy,

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Speaker 1: creamy serum, and you just work it through your hair.

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Speaker 1: And then, as the name suggests, air dry balm. It

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Speaker 1: just kind of hydrates and not even defines curls, but

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Speaker 1: it just takes the frizz away. So then, if you're

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Speaker 1: I love that one

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Speaker 1: one I haven't used as I don't have this hair type,

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Speaker 1: but it's got really good reviews. Everyone loves it is

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Speaker 1: the JV and complete hydrating air. Dry hair cream, same shtick.

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Speaker 1: It's from Sephora. It's $39. Everything's $39 and it's gonna smooth.

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Speaker 1: Freeze

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Speaker 1: work one of these balms through and oil is gonna

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Speaker 1: kind of help hydrate the outside of the hair. But

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Speaker 1: not really do. The A cream texture here is probably

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Speaker 1: Another one. These are all in the same vein is

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