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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Seize the Ya podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but

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Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than

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Speaker 1: one way. So this is a platform to hear and

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Speaker 1: explore the stories of those who found lives They adore,

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Speaker 1: the good, bad and ugly, the best and worst day

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Speaker 1: will bear all the facets of Seizing your Yea. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned

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Speaker 1: fu entrepreneur who swapped the suits and heels to co

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Speaker 1: found Matcha Maiden and matcha Milk Bar. Sez the Ya

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Speaker 1: is a series of conversations on finding a life you

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Speaker 1: love and exploring the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment

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Speaker 1: along the way. Hello, lovely neighborhood, Welcome to our final

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Speaker 1: episode of yeas of our lives for the year. Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, welcome back and foot Thanks.

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Speaker 2: I actually just didn't realize it just until then. That's

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Speaker 2: the last of the year.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we did just spend all day doing the

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Speaker 2: I feel like it just I can't live Christmas next

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Speaker 1: What so also what's hilarious is I just sent out

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Speaker 1: like our second dim for the year. I've done two

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Speaker 1: newsletters this year, maybe maybe three, but I think two'd

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Speaker 2: Happy New Year. Anyway, it's a happy end of year.

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Speaker 2: Thank you first, happy.

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Speaker 1: The end of financial year and end of your happy.

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Speaker 2: Love feeling a part of the community, and I thank

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Speaker 2: you all for contributing.

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Speaker 1: Max value add But one of the things I said

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Speaker 1: in it was, of course, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: another incredible year. I can't believe we're still here, with

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Speaker 1: this beautiful gyghborhood, still growing, still doing amazing things. Of course,

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Speaker 1: as you guys know, twenty twenty two was a bit

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Speaker 1: of a rollercoaster. Lots of ya's, lots of na's, and

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Speaker 1: compared to sort of our big goals planning session at

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Speaker 1: the start of this year, there's a lot of things

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Speaker 1: we didn't get to do. There's a lot of things

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Speaker 1: get to do. So it's been like, yeah, lots of highs,

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Speaker 1: much more structured. We just had a big planning session,

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Speaker 1: and there's so much coming away, So I promise we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just realized, why are we not doing reflections

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Speaker 1: Because we started asking people for your anonymous Q and

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Speaker 1: there's some really interesting questions. So you know, one of

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Speaker 1: it's typically called like twenty questions with Ange. Today we

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Speaker 1: This is why they're askewer. They're just no one submitting anything.

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Speaker 2: There's no way this will be a too far.

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Speaker 1: This is like an essay like an actual essay. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: Also, oh my god, we should have done a separate

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Speaker 2: But I was just gonna say, should we ask for

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, and they'll get it in twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: Well, first episode back will be reflecting on twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, But first, before I say, before I start

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Speaker 1: much more bimbo content. Yeah, it's going to be so

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Speaker 1: Channel the beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Okay, who is your person on the planet and explain

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Speaker 2: Because you fixed bookers at me.

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Speaker 2: Also, guys, Sarah hasn't read any of these questions, and

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Speaker 1: Man, did we just talk about this in an antactic repisod? Okay,

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Speaker 2: My drink would be bubble tea right now, really well,

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Speaker 1: I have not seen you drink bubble teach. Oh that's

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Speaker 1: because I asked you not to do it in front

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Speaker 1: I didn't even question it, it just makes it.

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Speaker 2: Get that every day almost, but you do.

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Speaker 1: Guys. Once I was either a DFO in coens Land

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Speaker 1: and some chick comes up to Nick and I and goes,

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Speaker 1: That is what I'm not like six years ago even

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Speaker 1: So it's a beautiful trait. You seem to travel with

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Speaker 1: your favorite sister Jen a lot. You must look after

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Speaker 2: She one time when I was young, one time I

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Speaker 2: I don't remember because because.

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Speaker 1: But you also love modern music. As well. Yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: I think it very well? Have you done drugs? In question?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think we set the rules here.

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Speaker 2: It involves Michael from the place what Michael Cullen, Michael

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Speaker 1: Who do you have pinned on I message? Other than me?

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Speaker 2: I don't even know people. I didn't realize people did that,

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Speaker 2: People take me too seriously.

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Speaker 2: My biggest tip is to still buy it because right

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Speaker 2: If you find that the card, you can always start

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Speaker 2: sure there's already a lot that you can do. I

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Speaker 1: I'm going to mold two questions together. One is what

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Speaker 2: But you also see where people come from in ways

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Speaker 2: understanding of it. You understand the types of hardships people

439
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 2: have been through beyond what you already know, which is

440
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,239
Speaker 2: actually really quite interesting. Yeah, and then you meet them

441
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 2: as a person and you put it together and you're like, actually,

442
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 2: I've met someone like you before. You know, I maybe

443
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 2: have previously judged someone like that, But you start to

444
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 2: learn that people are so diverse with their stories and

445
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 2: who they are that you have this amazing perspective on

446
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 2: culture and life and being a lot more open minded

447
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 2: to people and understanding of people. And also some of

448
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 2: them just are so you know, my last rotation was

449
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 2: on a stroke board, and you see how strong willed

450
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 2: and resilient they are to keep fighting for something that

451
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 2: you would be like, I just would have given up

452
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,120
Speaker 2: like a long time ago. You know. You get people

453
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 2: that have been nice for seventy days, or people have

454
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 2: been stuck to a bed for one hundred days, which

455
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,719
Speaker 2: is not common in a cute setting, and they kind

456
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,919
Speaker 2: of just keep going, keep going, keep going for reasons

457
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,959
Speaker 2: that you otherwise when understand, you know, like motivations. Everyone's

458
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 2: got very different styles. But yeah, so you see this

459
00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 2: amazing diverse group of people across the line life span

460
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 2: and with so many different stories from all parts of

461
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 2: Australian of the world. So yeah, really beautiful perspective on

462
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 2: life and really great stories because yeah, I think in

463
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 2: the nicest way possible. Sometimes things, really funny things just

464
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 2: happen in hospitals and they're just so wild that you

465
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 2: just laugh at them. You know, like you know, you're

466
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,439
Speaker 2: hoisting someone and they're just shit everywhere or whatever it is,

467
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 2: or like you're laughing at you. Yeah, it's true, Okay.

468
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 2: And then the MDT, the Multidistan pre team is like

469
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 2: just I love being a part of particularly role Malburne.

470
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 2: We all sit in the same office, so it's really

471
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 2: really fun. And then you just feel like you're leaving

472
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 2: some sort of impact or you're doing something that's purposeful,

473
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 2: which is really nice too. That's my favorite. And what's

474
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:48,679
Speaker 2: the second part something.

475
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,959
Speaker 1: About managing the stress of it. And they're like in

476
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: the immense emotional load, but then also what made it

477
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 1: easier for you to leave and jump towards something else

478
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 1: for you personally, not necessarily for everyone. That was the

479
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: same when people ask me why I left, Laura. I

480
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: don't think everyone finds these things. It's just what I found.

481
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the stressful parts of it, like at the time

482
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 2: was like I said before, the hospitals are really desperate

483
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: for our laid health people kind of moving in and

484
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 2: out of it. There's a lot of turnover. Not for reasons,

485
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 2: it's just been a really tough two years with COVID

486
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 2: and stuff, so like stuff shortages is hurt and COVID

487
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 2: uncertainty is hurt a lot as well, So you kind

488
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 2: of have to be really adaptable. And then I guess

489
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 2: my personal thing is like my last rotation, it was

490
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 2: a seven thirty to four pm work time structure, and

491
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 2: it just doesn't like I just don't do that very well,

492
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: Like to have to kind of get to work to

493
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 2: be on by seven thirty and four o'clock never really

494
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 2: is four o'clock. It's probably like four thirty and five,

495
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 2: and by that time you're like, well, I could have

496
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 2: just done it nine to five and had the morning

497
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 2: where you don't you know, you kind of staying back

498
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 2: a little bit, which is not uncommon. It's not at

499
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 2: all encouraged or it's very much round upon to stay

500
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 2: later but you kind of have to sometimes in that

501
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: way it's stressful, But I actually find it less stressful

502
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 2: than what I'm doing now, because like I have leaders on,

503
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 2: like my supervisors that kind of delegate to me, and

504
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 2: then my tasks and my tasks, and when they've done,

505
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 2: they've done. When I go home, I go home. So

506
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 2: in that sense, it's like, I guess that's the stress.

507
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 2: Emotional wise, sometimes, like sometimes if you have like a

508
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 2: strong emotional reform with someone who then goes to pass away,

509
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 2: that sometimes is really sad. And I've only really had

510
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 2: one case that has I've held on to for a while.

511
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 2: But other than that, I think I said to you,

512
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 2: I think you find it it's very contextual for sad

513
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 2: things that happen in the hospital because they're there and

514
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 2: they're already unwell. I feel like if the same thing

515
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: happened randomly on the street to become a lot more traumatic, whereas, yeah,

516
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 2: because as in the hospital they're already on well, it

517
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 2: kind of makes sense in the space that you are.

518
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:46,959
Speaker 2: So from an emotional stress standpoint, that's actually fine. But personally, again,

519
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 2: I was extremely well supported at ROLL Melbourne, so I

520
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: experience really had a really positive experience. It's more like

521
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: the I just really couldn't do the structured time, Like

522
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 2: I just got exhausted from doing that, from being there

523
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: at seven thirty. They're not getting out until you know,

524
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 2: four point thirty and then doing your gym stuff, which

525
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 2: is while everyone has to do every day, but just

526
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: for me, Yeah.

527
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: I think the overarching thing that I've learned over time

528
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 1: watching myself, you lots of other people finding the life

529
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: structure that suits them the best, is that we all

530
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,719
Speaker 1: just don't have the same composition and our productivity and

531
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: ideas and workflow and ideal just life setup looks I mean,

532
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: of course it looks different.

533
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think on top of that, my life

534
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 2: structure was very different, like that was my job, but

535
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 2: I also have multiple other jobs, yes, and to have

536
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 2: that take up structured amount of time so of my

537
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: day where I genuinely couldn't do anything else. Because I'm

538
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: such a multitasker. I can do multiple, like a few

539
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 2: things at once, but if I'm with a patient, obviously

540
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: I can't go it's responding to email us at the

541
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: same time. Yeah, that was where it was hard for

542
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 2: me because I just had a lot of things going on.

543
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,239
Speaker 1: So that kind of leads to the questions that are

544
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: all about the transition out of physio and into something else,

545
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: but particularly around the fact that I think, let's start

546
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: with this one. This was a longer question, but what

547
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: revelations life altering epiphanies, et cetera did you get from

548
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: quitting your job to truly seize your AA? And that

549
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: was not anonymous, It was from Katie who's a long

550
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: time follower. But I think part of that is also

551
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: you were doing both for a while and a lot

552
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: of people who make a jump, they don't jump to nothing.

553
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: They jumped to something, which means that in the middle

554
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: you've got both going on, and the stress is like

555
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: exponentially more so, what were your revelations that helped you

556
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: go from managing everything physio, your social media, work, exercise, eating, Well,

557
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: that was from a stress healthcare worker. And then what

558
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: helped you through to go, Okay, now I need to

559
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: do something?

560
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, the first part was the whole question

561
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:38,959
Speaker 2: about how did you have time for all of it

562
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: is your own social medidity and all the exercise activities.

563
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: Obviously I came to a pot where I just didn't actually,

564
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,239
Speaker 2: which is probably part of why I left. I'd done

565
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: it for a very very very long time. I've done

566
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: it for the best part of six years, managing a

567
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 2: quite high workload. But it came to a point in

568
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 2: my life where I was like, I actually like this

569
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: go go go nature isn't sustainable. And also like I

570
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 2: had to sit down and be like why, Like why

571
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: am I betting myself to the ground, Like I just

572
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: keep I have this scene where I just keep saying

573
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 2: yes to more clients that ask, and I'm like, but

574
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: is it really better? Like it's going to benefit my

575
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: future in any way. So I came to that point

576
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: where I was like, actually, there's going to be a

577
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: time where I choose it for not like necessary for

578
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 2: career progression, but just things that I really want to do.

579
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: How I fit in time wise is I have really

580
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 2: great self awareness and how quickly I can get things done.

581
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 2: And so I came to a point where I kind

582
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: of accepted things and moved around my times. Like if

583
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: I was like, I have dinner, but I also don't

584
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: like I want to go to their dinner. But I

585
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: also have this jew I'm really good at knowing how

586
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:38,719
Speaker 2: long it might take me. So I'm like, it's going

587
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 2: to be forty five minutes, and so I can happily

588
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: do that after dinner. And I also some compromises like

589
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: if it's sometimes it's you do wake up early to

590
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 2: finish a job, or you stay up later and you

591
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: go to that dinner, but you know that you're going

592
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: to go home to work after. So so those a

593
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 2: few times where I'll be out dinner and they might

594
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: have kick ons and I was like, actually, I've got

595
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: actually immediate at nine. And those are the compromises that

596
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 2: you make. So it's just based on what you want

597
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: to value prioritize in your life. Like if you want

598
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: to prioritize work, you want to meet work in life,

599
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 2: social life in the middle. That's where you make it work.

600
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: But I always think it's almost impossible to make it

601
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: all work at one hundred percent like level, you know,

602
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 2: like you're kind of compromising on a little bit of

603
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: them at once to make it doable.

604
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you have to have in any

605
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: kind of situation where you're juggling multiple passions, whether you

606
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: want one to be full time or not, or whether

607
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: you're transitioning or not, even if it's just you want

608
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: to stay in your full time job and have your

609
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: hobby on the side. Extreme time management skills is like

610
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: maybe the most important thing. Yeah, otherwise you don't do

611
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: any of them properly. Prioritization becomes really important and it's

612
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: totally doable. It's just practicing how to prioritize properly so

613
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: that it doesn't burn you out completely, so that none

614
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: of it is enjoyable.

615
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and unless it's serving me, then I put it in

616
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: the bin. Yeah. I think that's the thing is where

617
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: you have to you have to realize that when things

618
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: are actually making your life any better, you got to

619
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: put them in the bin. But back to the early

620
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: epiphanies from Katie just could, Yeah, epiphanies revolutions or revelations

621
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: that I had were actually around. I had that whole

622
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: anxiety thing of quitting that I was speaking about this

623
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: in a previous podcast, and the minute I could come

624
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: to terms with it that it wasn't a permanent decision

625
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: that I could come back to. It wasn't that I

626
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: could come back to physio and that my thing, actually,

627
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: one of my biggest things was when I get to eighty,

628
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna literally look back and be like that one

629
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,719
Speaker 2: year that I tried something else is a literal blip

630
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: in my life, Like it doesn't actually put me back.

631
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: I kept being like, that's going to put me back

632
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: a whole year physio or more, which in a fifty

633
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: year career or a forty year career, one year of

634
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: that is a blip. And in that time of the

635
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: twelve months, I could have gained all these other skills

636
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: that were better at me as a physio. So once

637
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: I came to the realization and that's how it's going

638
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: to work, that it's not a forever decision. I can

639
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: come back to physio. That's the beauty of the job

640
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: and the safety of the job, security of the job,

641
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 2: then it became a less scary decision. And the other

642
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: revelations I had was I wouldn't be able to do

643
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: what I do in my life with other people around

644
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: me supported me to get there, Like it's a really

645
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: big thing for me. I don't think I would make

646
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: many bold decisions that I do without not that I

647
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: need reassurance always, but without the support of the people

648
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: around me that make me feel like I can do it,

649
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: I just actually wouldn't do it. I have a good

650
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: amount of self belief, but not enough to make these

651
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: huge decisions all the time. So those were probably my big,

652
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: big life things, And I guess my last one was like,

653
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: you could die tomorrow and would you be happy with

654
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: the life that you lived? It's something that I've always said.

655
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: That is something you've always said, and I've always said

656
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: the other point that you noted about the future regreat

657
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: management thing, Like I've always said, a year right now

658
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: seems like a huge percentage of the life I've lived,

659
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: but future me, that will seem like a blip. Like

660
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: sometimes you do have to look ahead and think about

661
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: how you will feel in twenty thirty, forty years, and

662
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: I don't know that perspective sometimes makes it easier to make.

663
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: Me feel small.

664
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: It feels smaller, And then like I feel like you

665
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: can make a decision feel bigger or small all based

666
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: on how you look at it, and if you want

667
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: it to feel smaller, you just think about it in

668
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: a way that makes it easier for you to do it.

669
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: And that links into another one of the questions, which

670
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: was about the crippling anxiety about the future and especially

671
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: and we'll get into this because family also has a role.

672
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: This is a separate section, but just for now touching

673
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: on the Asian heritage, guilt and shame about being unemployed.

674
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: You technically weren't unemployed, but even still you're working away

675
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: from something that's secure, prestigious, all that stuff, And a

676
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: lot of the other questions were also about how did

677
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: you have something to jump to? How did you even

678
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: get that role? How did you move into? Like how

679
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: do you create the first step? So a lot of

680
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: people want to work their way into a non nine

681
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: to five job where they can work and travel and cza,

682
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: but they don't know where to start. So how did

683
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: you even create a situation where you had something to

684
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: jump to?

685
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think my situation is really unique, which is

686
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: why I think I've like people have they personally asked

687
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: this question a few times to me, and I think

688
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 2: my response is, I don't know if it's necessarily helpful,

689
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: because it's because I said yes to so many things

690
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: when I was younger, like it pretty much how I

691
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: got into this is I met Sarah like seven years

692
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: ago or something like that, and it was like a

693
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: brunch and talking about Match Maiden and I just said

694
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: I'm at Union. I got six content hours, and I

695
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: just want to try new things. Is anything I can

696
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: help you with? And no kidding, that was my leg

697
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: up in and that's how I got to where I

698
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: am to be able to have the opportunities that I do.

699
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: And in that I kind of I was helping with

700
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: the social media and through that I learned Adobe, and

701
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: then I taught myself that, and then I learned about

702
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: marketing and then consumer behavior and I think that's like

703
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: being a physio, you kind of quite emotionally aware about

704
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 2: how people respond to things as it is as well.

705
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: And then through that it was a bit of like

706
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: a word of mouth referral. People kept referring me to

707
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: or asking me to help with their social media, marketing,

708
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: and strategy and content all in one, and I think

709
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: I realized my skill set was very unique in that

710
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,959
Speaker 2: I could do all of them as opposed to just

711
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: you know, some people can only just do the marketing

712
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: side of it, where they can coordinate a feed or something,

713
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: but they can't create high level content where it's something

714
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: that I could do at a decent level across the board,

715
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: which was very helpful because it meant they didn't have

716
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: to hire a creative team and a marketing team. They

717
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 2: did it all in one person. And then at the

718
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: same time, like I had like pretty low rates for

719
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: a while because I was still learning on the job

720
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: and that was more valuable to me than the financial return.

721
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: And then yeah, it literally from there's been a word

722
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: of mouth, Like I've never advertised I've done it. It's

723
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: all been word of mouth. So then I started growing

724
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 2: my client teleent who I was writing strategies for or

725
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 2: helping with their marketing. And then since then, I think

726
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: I've been in like twelve different industries, which has been

727
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: really cool because you get to understand different demographics, parts

728
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 2: of the world, some of them international. I've purposely held

729
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: on to that not because I thought it was a

730
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: good job to have, It's because I enjoyed it, and

731
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of gets bottom line, is that

732
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: you got to find something you enjoy and then after

733
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: that doesn't feel like work, and then saying yes to

734
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 2: things doesn't seem so arduous, and then when you're really

735
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: passionate about something kind of you almost naturally fall into

736
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: what you want to do. It's kind of just taking

737
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 2: that leap at the start and saying yes to opportunities

738
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: and things. So yeah, I did have a job lined

739
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: up before with a couple of clients that I already

740
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: have been working with, and I knew they kind of

741
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: had always been wanting me to go full time. I

742
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: just never took that jump in that leap, and I

743
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: just was too scared to have a conversation with them.

744
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: And the one time I did have the conversation with them,

745
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: they were like, of course, they wrote a contract overnight

746
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: had it for me, a twelve month contract working full time,

747
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: fully remote and full flexy hours. And then I was like,

748
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 2: holy shit, like I can't say no to this. So

749
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: that was why I made the jump, But it took

750
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: me nine months to feel secure to do that. Like

751
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 2: there was a nine month period where I was like

752
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: looking for a job, looking for a job, looking for

753
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: a job, and it was right there under my kind

754
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: of nose. I just never really pursued it. So yeah,

755
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 2: it was I think if I didn't have a job,

756
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't have jumped.

757
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. I always say that you need something to jump too,

758
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: because then it's not to jump into the abyss. It's

759
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 1: like a jump to something that you can imagine.

760
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: And I think is like I think I would highly

761
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: recommend jumping into something, but the something doesn't need to

762
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 2: be full time like crazy hours. If you can, so,

763
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: I say, out your financial situation that allows you to work.

764
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 2: If you calculate you could do part time for four months,

765
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: then that's amazing. Four months to kind of reset and

766
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: see what you like out there, try different things, learn

767
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: different things, and then if it doesn't work, I would

768
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: recommend always to have like a backup plan, like a

769
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 2: plan B, so if it doesn't work, go back to

770
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 2: the same job. If it doesn't work, you could always

771
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: work at this place whatever it is. It feels less

772
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 2: anxiety or you feel less anxious doing it that way.

773
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: And then with family, this is actually quite funny because

774
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: I've just realized I've actually told my parents have quit.

775
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: I've been a long time ago, so back to being Asian.

776
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: That's part of it. Like you sometimes it is. I'm

777
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 2: not scared of telling my parents. It's more I know

778
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 2: they'll be severely disappointed, and describing it in a way

779
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 2: that makes them still feel like I am successful is

780
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: I'm still trying to think about the way to go

781
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: about that for them to understand. Yeah, if I said

782
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: I work in marketing for some startups, they'd be like,

783
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: what is that? That freak is that?

784
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah?

785
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? So yeah, being Asian, that's just how it is.

786
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 2: That it's a lot tied down to prestige and status

787
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But yeah, I know they'll be

788
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: supportive fronte talent, but it's just a bit of ripping

789
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 2: that band it off.

790
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. We have a whole section on questions about on

791
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: that note about cultural differences and yeah, that it's like

792
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 1: pitching things to different people in your life differently based

793
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: on what their values are and what they comprehend and

794
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: what they prioritize. And that's a whole thing. But just

795
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: quickly before we move on from the work thing, I

796
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: think it's really important to highlight and it's been so

797
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: interesting watching you as well that it's been almost exactly

798
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: the same way that I did it. It was in

799
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: the works for years. You never set out thinking I

800
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: want to leave my job. In fact, it was like

801
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 1: possible years before you even acknowledged it yourself. I think

802
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: people who are feeling lost about how to move out

803
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: of a nine to five, it really is that it's

804
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 1: put the feelers out and do things bit by bit,

805
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: Like you don't have to have this nine to five

806
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: jumped to full time entrepreneurship. It's nine to five, you know,

807
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: do a side project on the side, maybe have two clients,

808
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: three clients, four clients, back to three, back to two.

809
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: Like there's so much experiment you've done along the way

810
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: before you felt you could jump full time, and you

811
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: have jump full time to more than one project. You

812
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: didn't just go full time in house to one business.

813
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 2: Like.

814
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: I just think people have this idea of what it

815
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 1: needs to look like, and everyone composes it in different

816
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: ways over really long time frames. It's not like a

817
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: straightforward jump. Everyone feels a bit lost. Just start putting

818
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: slow pieces together, and I don't think that. Like one

819
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: of the questions is when did you know you had

820
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: a passion elsewhere? And was there a specific point you

821
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: knew you were ready to leave. I think it's like

822
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: you said, it was easy for you to do because

823
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: you were passionate, not because you were trying to leave

824
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 1: your job, and the leaving bit only came when suddenly

825
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: they were both viable. But you just kept doing it

826
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: before you even knew that was the goal, because you

827
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: were just enjoying what you were doing along the way. Yeah,

828
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: So That leads to another question, which I think is

829
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: probably one of the most valuable questions someone could ask you,

830
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: in particular at this junction, is about whether or not

831
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: you consciously do things to progress yourself. So this applies

832
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: both in the job that you are now welcome back

833
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: at anytime you left on excellent terms, and now also

834
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: in business, in getting new clients with only word of mouth,

835
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 1: in having great relationships with businesses for many many years,

836
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: Like you left and the CEO of the Royal Melburn

837
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: Hospitals sent you a good message like as a you

838
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: know junior. Still, so do you find that you just

839
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: get there through charisma? Like do you decide I Am

840
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: going to climb this ladder and I'm going to get

841
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: this opportunity because I think people genuinely don't know how

842
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: you do that? How do you build your reputation? How

843
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 1: do you getting people's good books and leave doors open

844
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: for yourself?

845
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: The CEO thing, I have to clarify. The CEO thing

846
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: happened because one of my best mates laws who works

847
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: with me as well, is like we are just so

848
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: extra with the things that we do for each other

849
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: that she was like she wouldn't be you know, that

850
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: excited to get like the director of Allied Health because

851
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 2: she already knows her and like they you know, they

852
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: have a really strong relationship. How can I like make

853
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 2: this like something that can properly surprise her with because

854
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: we've just done so much for each other before. And

855
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: so she literally emailed the CEO. It was like Hi,

856
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: like not thinking we get anything out of it, She said, Hi,

857
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 2: you know, can you just quickly just say one thing,

858
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 2: like just like ten second things, thank you for your service?

859
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: And she came back with this whole minute video that

860
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: even Laws was like what theck and like she was

861
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 2: in the stoic. So I didn't go obviously chasing that.

862
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: Laws went chasing that as a way to like take

863
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 2: the piece but also just feel like the things that

864
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: we do to each other. It was actually one of

865
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: the most beautiful things ever. Actually it was very very nice.

866
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: But there's a video of me reacting to it, and

867
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: I was just shook to the core. So definitely not

868
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: a conscious thing of on my behalf. But in terms

869
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: of do I consciously do things to progress my career,

870
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: I think the large part of their answer is actually know,

871
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: like I don't feel like I'm actively going out there

872
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: to do that. Some opportunities that I say yes to, Yes,

873
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: like if I see there's potential in that, I say yes.

874
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: But in terms of like the actions that I do,

875
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: Like if I reflected my time at the hospital, my

876
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 2: whole thing, Like even when I was in YAR twelve,

877
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: I was like, I hate doing things for the sake

878
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: of putting on your resume, Like that's doing things for

879
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: the sake like you know, like when you're in union,

880
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: everyone's like head of this student union group and head

881
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: of the physiotherapy student board and whatever. I was like,

882
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: if you're passionate about that, go for it. But if

883
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 2: you're doing it just put your resume. Is it really

884
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: worth your time? There's so many other things that you

885
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: can do that you or like become better at that

886
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: could actually make you a much more employable person. So

887
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: I think my motto has always been like, do the

888
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 2: best job that I can do, and then if they

889
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: want to keep me through that, they keep me. And

890
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 2: I kind of would I feel like I have a

891
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: unique enough skill set to make myself stand out. And

892
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: I think that's always worked to my favorite and in

893
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: that way, people I guess that want to see that

894
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: can see that and then see where I can support

895
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: the place and see the potential in me. So my

896
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 2: thing is like less consciously choosing particular rotations or whatever

897
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: it is for progression of career, but being like choosing

898
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: things that I really love and then doing it's so

899
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: freaking good at it. Yeah that people are like, we

900
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: need her, Like it's just like but it's just if

901
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: you think about it, it's kind of textbook stuff. But

902
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: it's like Year twelve advice and people like choose subjects

903
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: that you love because you do really well with them.

904
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I choose opportunities or if I had

905
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: a choice, I put things that I really know they'll

906
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: love that I know that I'll be good in. And

907
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: that's how I guess. I guess it is a conscious thing.

908
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 2: But it's not like a matter of like putting my

909
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: name up for all these leadership roles to progress my career,

910
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: because I would find that exhausting, particularly if I didn't

911
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: like it I was doing it for the job, I

912
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: would be like, it's waste my time and I want

913
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: to be doing things that are better. So I think, yeah,

914
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 2: if you play to your strengths, know your strengths, choose

915
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: things based on those things, do a really really good

916
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: job at them, like in a way that's unique. So

917
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: my unique selling point is always I think it's my efficiency. Yeah,

918
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: like my time management and my efficiency, which is really

919
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: obvious when you're in a big workplace, like people they

920
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: just get shit done. And when people can see that

921
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: and appreciate that, they kind of want to hold onto that.

922
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: So sounds definitely holding on to you.

923
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, it's not and I'm

924
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: not saying that everything is landing in my lap. Like, yes,

925
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: definitely opportunities Like I chose Royal Melbourne knowing it was

926
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: a massive trauma hospital and knowing that if I had

927
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: the skill set so like to be at the Royal Melbourne,

928
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: I could probably easily get a job in many other places.

929
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: So I guess it's a mix of yes and no.

930
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 2: But yes, you're right a lot of it. Does something

931
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 2: come from charisma? I'm hilarious, Yeah.

932
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: So funny. And just to quickly round off this section,

933
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: back to Katie's question about like revelations since seizing your

934
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: yea and then also tying in with someone else's question

935
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: about the magic that you're brewing now that you are

936
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: done with being shackled by normal society. Now that you've

937
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: actually made the leap, is it what you expected? Like?

938
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: Did it do the things? You've also been able to

939
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: fit in a trip you've started having like your weeks

940
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: back in terms of you know, you've finished up, You've

941
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: had a little bit of time to see what your

942
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: life is like now, Like is it what you thought?

943
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: Is it better than you thought? Has it done for

944
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: your brain and your soul what you thought it would

945
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: so far?

946
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like exactly what I thought. But then again

947
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: I wrote it to be that way. Yeah, that's true,

948
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: Like I couldn't necessarily be surprised by the way that

949
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: I structured it because I structured it that way. Yeah,

950
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 2: Like I went out of this being like, I am

951
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: going to only work this many days for this company,

952
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: and then have it this many days for this company.

953
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: I had already worked with them, so you've going to

954
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 2: it was going to entail. It has been the best time,

955
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 2: Like such a great time. But at the same time,

956
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 2: the downside, which I always knew was going to be

957
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 2: a downside, was that you don't really get to switch off.

958
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 2: That's always the that's the trade off. But I knew that.

959
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 2: I feel like I actually was listened to a podcast

960
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: or something the other day where I think the CEO

961
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 2: of Notion was talking about if you're going to tell

962
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: someone bad news, you start the conversation with, hey, this

963
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: conversation is going to be difficult, because oh my god,

964
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: that's so clever, because they say that the migdala only

965
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: becomes anxious, scared, fearful when it's doesn't know what it

966
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: is it's expecting. So if you tell them that it's

967
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: what you're expecting, it's becomes a much easier conversation to have,

968
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: as opposed to being like, Hi, happy, happy, happy happy, Okay,

969
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 2: well we're letting you off. That's like a big shock

970
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 2: to the system. Where As if you go in being like, hey,

971
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 2: just let you know it's going to be a difficult

972
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 2: conversation from the start, the rest of it comes easy.

973
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: So I kind of set that realistic expectation for myself

974
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: from the start, knowing there was going to be pros

975
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 2: and cons about it all, and I wrote all that out.

976
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 2: So the pros are amazing, Like, I traveled all around

977
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: Europe and worked and traveled and it was amazing. It

978
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: was so great. It was so so awesome, and being

979
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 2: clients that have already worked with they know me, so

980
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: I didn't have to like prove myself for anything. My

981
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: only thing has Like I said before, I just try

982
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: to do the best job that I can. And then

983
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: my day structures are incredible. Are actually in fashion lunch,

984
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: I wake up whatever time I want to wake up,

985
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: and then I walked to my nearest cafe and then

986
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 2: I do hours of work because I'm really productive in

987
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 2: that way. And then I go home and then normally

988
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: make breakfast or lunch, and then I clean or whatever.

989
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: I go to the gym or go for a walk.

990
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: I'll go do some error. Yeah, I'll do my beauty channel,

991
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 2: I'll do my makeup, you know, I go just make

992
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 2: sure my hair implants are on.

993
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: Sketch like I help me put my teeth in.

994
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I do a little bit more work

995
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: if I want to. And then I pretty much like

996
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: the minute people finish work, I'm like bordering with them,

997
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 2: going to dinner with them, picking the football with them.

998
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 2: And then if I have a night meeting, I have

999
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: a night meeting and then I the next day is

1000
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: the same thing. So it's just and the beauty of

1001
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 2: the job is that I get paid full time. So

1002
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 2: the twelve month contract, I get paid full time to

1003
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: work around about four days. But the four days is

1004
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 2: essentially however, I want to structure that so long as

1005
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 2: I get the job done. So I want to work

1006
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: really really fast or really really long day. That'll work

1007
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: a really really long day and just get all done.

1008
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 2: If I want to like be a bit of bimbo

1009
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: and like fluff around, then I just work seven half

1010
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: days or whatever it is. So my time is like

1011
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: and I if I want to go to Ocean Grove

1012
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: that week, and I go to Ocean Grove and I

1013
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 2: just type in the back of the car or whatever

1014
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: it is. I can genuinely be anywhere, like I can

1015
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: have the company is so great. I have meetings in transit,

1016
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 2: I have meetings on the side of the road if

1017
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 2: I'm like outside.

1018
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: Of the dinner and I'm like, you're busting. You need

1019
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: to take it all the way home.

1020
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: Literally, So like it's so awesome and that's like my

1021
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: main income. And then I work one day with Ceas,

1022
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 2: and then I work like a half day with Friendo,

1023
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: which is the health tech company in the UK, and

1024
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: then all of them are very different, like Friendo's very

1025
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: like more like product growth marketing. Bloom is more of

1026
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: like a leadership like social marketing manager. And then with you,

1027
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: it's kind of like a lot of fun things like podcasting, branding,

1028
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 2: random stuff. So yeah, that's currently what's brewing, and then

1029
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 2: future brewing is I guess I don't like to look

1030
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: in the future because I have no idea where my

1031
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: life's going to go. I kind of just live for

1032
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: what I have right now.

1033
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: Live in the moment. Okay, well that's taken us to

1034
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: an hour alroad, Yeah, so sorry, no, bim. I am

1035
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 1: so excited for you because now I have you back.

1036
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: You've made such a big jump. I can't wait to

1037
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: see what Twowey and three brings you and sees and

1038
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: everything else that you're doing. And I feel like this

1039
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: is the essence of this show. I'm so glad. There

1040
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: were so many questions. This has literally taken us an hour.

1041
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: So by the way, everyone, as I predicted at the beginning,

1042
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: this is now going to be a two part of

1043
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: This is no longer the last episode of the year

1044
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: because we have so many topics left. But the fact

1045
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: that most of the questions submitted or about the path ya,

1046
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: which is what the show is about. Makes me so happy. Yes,

1047
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: I feel like anyone listening could be you know U

1048
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: seven years ago, five years ago, four years ago, whatever,

1049
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: last year.

1050
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 2: I just don't believe how many people care. But you know,

1051
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: it's nice.

1052
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: It's so nice, and it's a huge jump you just made.

1053
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 2: It is it is a big jump, and I feel

1054
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: like I'm still coming to terms with it all. But

1055
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: it's been really fun. So Part two sounds good. Part

1056
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: tiam is a lot more like relationship.

1057
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: Okay, so the joys that guys, As we mentioned, there

1058
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: is a whole section on family and your Asian heritage

1059
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: and the prestige. We will come, we'll circle back. We'll

1060
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: circle back, guys to the question of prestige and expectations.

1061
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: And you know that one of our favorite topics here

1062
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: is like the definitions of success and how you have

1063
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: to pitch your new career to your family and the

1064
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: fact that you still haven't told them, which I did

1065
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: not know. But also about like the expectations on timelines

1066
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: in life, like getting married and settling down and having kids.

1067
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: Someone asked who your favorite cousin is and why I'm

1068
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 1: guessing was one of your cousins, even the pressure about

1069
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: you moving out and carry oak abilities. But most importantly

1070
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: the section that is to come is relationship, starting with

1071
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: how many exister zanchav like who doesn't want to know

1072
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: that everyone? And then a few questions snuck in there

1073
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: for me as well, which a good one reflect people

1074
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: are like curious about Nick?

1075
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you for curious?

1076
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: Cue for curious mystery man Ali, So guys, you old? Are?

1077
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: I go to Marti Gary a big ally and I

1078
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: have somehow managed to get every letter in l G B,

1079
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: t Q A plus wrong at various times in the

1080
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: last couple of years. Fully thought we did not Actually

1081
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: who is for curious?

1082
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: For our lives?

1083
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm the worst. So we have relationship

1084
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Speaker 1: to go. We have some cycling questions, funny cleat fail, story.

1085
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Speaker 2: Travel, travel or life and mindset and mindset? What backpack

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Speaker 2: you use specifically? There's some very practical conversation questions. There's

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Speaker 2: also which I think this is very interesting, how do

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00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 2: you work on your financials buying a house at this

1089
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Speaker 2: age people don't.

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Speaker 1: Talk about That's true, It's true. So part two we

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Speaker 1: now have to book another day. I thought, I was

1092
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Speaker 1: finished working for the Angelina You are to Part two

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00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: will be coming into your ears. I think what we'll

1094
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Speaker 1: do is this is a pre Christmas episode. We'll let

1095
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Speaker 1: you guys have Christmas, and then we'll drop some juicy

1096
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Speaker 1: follow in your pre New Year, because you know, New Year,

1097
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Speaker 1: New Ange, you talk about that stuff before the year

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Speaker 1: is up.

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Speaker 2: Wait.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for this episode. This was incredibly inspiring. I

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Speaker 1: hope you guys found inspiring as well. Meanwhile, if you

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Speaker 1: have any other questions for aship, we now have time.

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Speaker 1: Just admit.

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Speaker 2: I guess talking about my dating life.

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Speaker 1: I really do. The whole next episode is going to

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Speaker 1: be about your dating life, and I can't wait because

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Speaker 1: it's exciting, it's juicy, there's a lot, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: to talk about. I'm really glad how out. I'll see

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Speaker 1: you guys in a week and in the meantime, Happy holidays.

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Speaker 1: You're it, it's holidays. Sorry, it's a native yay when

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Speaker 1: you don't get the branding. I hope you have an

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Speaker 1: amazing festive season and we'll catch you again before twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two is out.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye,