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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Kyle Sandalans has been sacked The Kyle and Jackie O

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Speaker 2: Show over as we know it. Love the show or

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Speaker 2: love to hate it? The story has taken over every feed, group, chat,

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Speaker 2: and dinner table. After a fourteen day suspension, the acts

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Speaker 2: has fallen. So what happens now? It's the Quikie for Thursday,

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Speaker 2: March nineteen. I'm Taylor Strano for a look at the

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Speaker 2: latest news headlines. Here's Claire Murphy.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. The Iranian women's soccer team has arrived back

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Speaker 1: in Iran after five members withdrew asylum claims to stay

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Speaker 1: in Australia. The Australian government had granted humanitarian visas to

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Speaker 1: six players and one support staff member, saying they feared

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Speaker 1: possible persecution if they returned home after several players failed

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Speaker 1: to sing the national anthem at an Asian Cup match

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Speaker 1: earlier this month. The game was held just after the

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Speaker 1: United States and Israel launched the war against Iran initial strikes,

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Speaker 1: killing Preme leader Iotola ali Hamani, Iranian state television then

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Speaker 1: labeling them wartime traders. Five of those who'd sought asylum

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Speaker 1: changed their minds and decided to return home, rejoining the

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Speaker 1: rest of the squad in Kuala Lumpo, where the team

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Speaker 1: had been staying since leaving Sydney last week. The Iranian

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Speaker 1: Football Association said last week those who changed their minds

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Speaker 1: would travel home with the rest of the team to

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Speaker 1: once again be embraced by their families and homeland. The

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Speaker 1: team flew into Istanbul on Tuesday, then took a flight

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Speaker 1: to eastern Turkey on Wednesday morning, emerging from Igda Airport

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Speaker 1: pulling their luggage and chatting in front of the terminal

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Speaker 1: players briefly smiled and waved at a TV camera before

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Speaker 1: the bus departed. After two hours on the bus, they

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Speaker 1: went through passport control at the Gerbalag border gate before

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Speaker 1: crossing over into Iran. Two players are still in Australia

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Speaker 1: and have been pictured training with local A League clubs.

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Speaker 1: The prosecutor in the case against the step sign of

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Speaker 1: Norway's Crown Prince is calling for the twenty nine year

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Speaker 1: old to do at least seven years behind bars. Mari

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Speaker 1: Ysborg Hoiby, whose mother married the Crown Prince in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and one, is facing charges of raping four women,

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Speaker 1: as well as domestic abuse and other crimes. He has

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Speaker 1: of rape, while admitting to some of the lesser charges,

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Speaker 1: including offensive sexual behaviour, driving too fast and driving without

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Speaker 1: a valid license. The seven week trial, which is due

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Speaker 1: to end today, has detailed Hoyby's drug addiction and saw

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Speaker 1: his self made videos of sexual encounters and more than

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Speaker 1: eight hundred electronic messages entered into evidence. In tearful testimony

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Speaker 1: last week, Hoyby said heavy media coverage of his trial

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Speaker 1: prosecution told the court that Hoyby must be treated like

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Speaker 1: any other Norwegian, facing neither tougher nor milder punishment for

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Speaker 1: being part of the Nordic nation's most prominent family. His

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Speaker 1: lawyer said that he must not be sentenced for who

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Speaker 1: he is, but for what he did. Be careful when

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Speaker 1: selecting a staffed animal at Hobart Airport, it might end

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Speaker 1: up being a real. Oh One staff were called to

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Speaker 1: possum was spotted nestled in amongst his stuffed counterparts. The animal,

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Speaker 1: nearby Bushland, with airport operators now trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: the first place. Kim Kardashian has shared a video of

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Speaker 1: match when, in a video posted to TikTok, she asks

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Speaker 1: the bushes. Kardashian is heard saying that poor lady, I

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Speaker 1: in her golden ensemble. Her new man Lewis Hamilton, commenting

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Speaker 2: Thanks Clan. Next, Carl Sandalans has been given the flick,

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Speaker 2: but the story is only just beginning. For nearly three decades,

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Speaker 2: Carl Sandalans and Jackie O Henderson have been one of

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Speaker 2: Australia's most successful and most controversial radio duos. Over the years,

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Speaker 2: they're on air stunts and comments regularly smarked backlash, but

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three, they signed a record breaking two

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Speaker 2: Cut to feb twenty twenty six, and that deal is

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Speaker 2: the mill dig Kyle has it Jackie as a reminder,

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Speaker 2: this is the exchange that set the wheels in motion.

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Speaker 3: Your fixation on this has made JU almost unworkable.

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Speaker 2: Ah, it's not that bad, Kyle.

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Speaker 4: You're not talking.

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Speaker 5: I'm talking to that.

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Speaker 2: That's not fair you fairies where no, no, no, tell

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Speaker 2: me where I've been off with the fairies during the show.

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Speaker 3: I don't have to.

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Speaker 2: Jackie walks out, doesn't come back, and then the network,

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Speaker 2: Australian Radio Network steps in In a statement, they announced

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Speaker 2: Jackie had given notice that she can no longer work

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Speaker 2: with Kyle, that he'd been placed on suspension and given

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Speaker 2: fourteen days to rectify the situation or cease to present

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Speaker 2: the show, but Jackie denied she quit. Kyle has said

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Speaker 2: he reached out and apologized to his longtime co host,

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Speaker 2: all while rumors the world about what will happen if

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Speaker 2: arn didn't hold up their end of the contract come

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Speaker 2: the end of that fourteen day period, which brings us

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Speaker 2: to now two weeks of fill in hosts where the

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Speaker 2: K and J Brecky Show would usually be, and audiences

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Speaker 2: waiting desperately for news of the duo's return to the airwaves.

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Speaker 2: But with the deadline looming, on Tuesday night, Kyle used

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Speaker 2: his airtime as a judge on Australian Idol to comment

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Speaker 2: on the situation, all but confirming he'd been given as

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Speaker 2: much orders at the end of the day, if you

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Speaker 2: do this for a living, just make sure you've got

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Speaker 2: an iron clad contract with my friend, because that's all

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Speaker 2: the bores down for. Thank you so much, nothing else mattered,

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Speaker 2: taking from experience for KRL. I like it. Then. Come

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Speaker 2: Wednesday morning, Kyle's official statement on the matter was made public.

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Speaker 5: ARN has just announced that they've terminated my contract.

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Speaker 3: I don't accept it.

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Speaker 5: My lawyers told them last week this would be invalid.

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Speaker 5: And guess what it is. When I said I was

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Speaker 5: sorry to Jackie, I meant it. I still mean it,

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Speaker 5: but it doesn't mean I will stand by while I

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Speaker 5: am separated from the people who've listened to me every

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Speaker 5: morning for the past twenty five years. So it's over

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Speaker 5: to my lawyers.

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Speaker 2: Shortly after that, ARN went public with their.

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Speaker 4: Statement AARN Media Limited Advisors that it has issued a

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Speaker 4: notice of termination of contract to mister Kyle Sandalands and

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Speaker 4: Quasar Media. As a result, the Kyle and Jackie Oh

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Speaker 4: Show will no longer be presented.

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Speaker 2: So where to from here? Is it time to look

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Speaker 2: at solo careers for Kyl and Jackie? Can Kyle actually

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Speaker 2: buy the radio network that dumped him? A room that's

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Speaker 2: Kyle and Jackie oo's warmer boss and co host of

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Speaker 2: the Game Changes radio podcast, Craig Bruce has been covering

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Speaker 2: this story from the beginning. Craig, how big of a

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Speaker 2: dealers that ARN let Kyle go, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 6: Mean it's massive. What's the best way to think about it? Well,

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Speaker 6: I mean Kyle and Jackie O. If you were just

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Speaker 6: to look at the numbers in Sydney on breakfast radio,

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Speaker 6: they have been number one now for twenty one years,

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Speaker 6: so they have been the most successful FM breakfast show

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Speaker 6: by a long way on FM in breakfast. And despite that,

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Speaker 6: and despite the seven hundred thousand listeners that cum the

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Speaker 6: show every week, AARN have decided to end this contract.

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Speaker 3: So it's a big deal for a lot of.

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Speaker 6: People who have spent twenty years growing up listening to

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Speaker 2: Well, having said all that, are you surprised by their decision?

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Speaker 6: The business of Kyl and JACKIEO in Breakfast hasn't been

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Speaker 6: working for a couple of years now. The contract that

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Speaker 6: they signed for ten million dollars each was never going

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Speaker 6: to fly really, I mean there's just not enough money

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Speaker 6: And AARN as a company they are in thirty three markets.

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Speaker 6: They have sixty radio stations and last year they had

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Speaker 6: a profit of six million dollars whilst paying two people

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Speaker 6: ten million dollars each. The numbers never ever ever stacked up.

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Speaker 6: And on top of that you have an activist group,

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Speaker 6: the mad ef and Witches, who have absolutely done a

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Speaker 6: Kyle and JACKIEO are also broadcast too, has just been

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Speaker 3: It's the worst of both worlds.

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Speaker 2: Have you spoken to Kyle or Jackie?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 6: No, not since I spoke to Kyle a couple of

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Speaker 6: weeks ago. I think this was maybe a week after

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Speaker 6: thinking about what.

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Speaker 3: She was going to do next.

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Speaker 6: I have had a couple of text messages with Kyle's

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Speaker 6: that what started with Jemma Fordham, her manager, and Jackie

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Speaker 6: going to RN saying that I can't work with Kyle

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Speaker 6: Sandalands and it's an unsafe work place that has had

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Speaker 6: that it's.

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Speaker 3: Ended this way.

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Speaker 6: What I hear from people close to Kyle is that

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Speaker 2: So we've heard from Arn, We've also heard from Kyle.

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Speaker 2: Nothing at the time of recording from Jackie Oh at

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Speaker 2: this point. Now, Kyle has sort of alluded to in

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Speaker 2: the statement that he put out on Wednesday morning about

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Speaker 2: what may potentially be the next steps in this saga.

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Speaker 2: What options are actually available, Craig, What avenue do you

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Speaker 2: think this story will take next?

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Speaker 3: It's hard to know.

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Speaker 6: Depending on what their restraintive trade agreements are from the

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Speaker 6: existing contract, they could be on Sydney Radio tomorrow. In theory,

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Speaker 6: there might be a clause which says, look, you have

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Speaker 6: to have six months away from radio before you come back.

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Speaker 6: But in theory, now that the contract is done, they

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Speaker 6: can go and work for another radio station. The question

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Speaker 6: is which radio station will take the risk, and that

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Speaker 6: the risk is with the new AKMA breaches that are

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Speaker 6: now in place, the tone of the show, and I

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Speaker 6: think this is a good thing. The tone of the

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Speaker 6: show would have to change explicit sexual content, which really

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Speaker 6: should never be on broadcast radio anyway, can't be on

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Speaker 6: Kyle and Jackie and can't be on a Kyle Sandalan

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Speaker 6: show or a Jackie Henderson show for the next five years.

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Speaker 6: So that really does change the nature of the show

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Speaker 6: if in fact it comes back to radio at any point.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's going to happen soon.

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Speaker 6: I think that what will happen is this is going

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Speaker 6: to play out in court and it's going to get messy,

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Speaker 6: and the lawyers are going to have a field day

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Speaker 6: and there will be no winners.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's a nice headline. I think Kyle

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Speaker 6: Look, Jackie could do radio and could easily move into

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Speaker 3: I don't know whether she wants to do it.

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