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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: From Mamma Mia.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm

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Speaker 3: Laura Brodnick and I'm Kissenni lu Kitch and coming up

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Speaker 3: on the show today, Well, just a few interesting, slash

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Speaker 3: scandalous stories that have happened over the last couple of

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Speaker 3: days while we have been deep deep.

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Speaker 2: In Golden Globes mode.

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Speaker 3: But now that that first Award show has passed, we're

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Speaker 3: going to jump into this. First of all, we have

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Speaker 3: a huge celebrity breakup that I personally didn't see coming

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Speaker 3: and feel very victimized by. We're going to get into that.

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Speaker 3: And a very telling interview given by Kendall Jenner which

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Speaker 3: has kind of changed our minds about her. But two

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Speaker 3: aspects that interview have gone crazy viral. We're going to

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Speaker 3: get into that.

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Speaker 4: But first, we have another Disney live action remake and

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Speaker 4: this is what I'm actually going to really very very

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Speaker 4: excited for. It is Tangled, and we have our casting announcements,

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Speaker 4: so we know that Tangled has sort of been in

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Speaker 4: the works to be a live action remake twenty ten

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Speaker 4: film with Mandy Moore in the lead role as Rapunzel

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Speaker 4: I love this movie. My kids love this movie. So

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Speaker 4: we've got a casting list now. Australian Teagan Croft as Rapunzel.

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Speaker 4: She's twenty two, nice little local oussie girl. We have

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Speaker 4: Milo Mannheim as Flynn Wryder. And we also know that

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Speaker 4: it's gonna be directed by Michael Gracie, who was the

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Speaker 4: greatest Showman director, which I'm actually very excited about. I

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Speaker 4: think that he'll do the movie justice. What I think

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Speaker 4: is quite interesting, and this is something I didn't really know.

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Speaker 4: Milo Manheim is actually a NEPO baby.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: He is the child of an actress who I think

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Speaker 4: everyone would know the face of, but a lot of

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Speaker 4: people would not recognize her name.

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Speaker 1: Would you agree with her?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, potentially, Like she's kind of one of those actors that,

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Speaker 4: like you definitely would recognize her on the street, but

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Speaker 4: you may not be able to name her. So her

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Speaker 4: name is Cameron Manheim and she's ellenor Foot on the

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Speaker 4: Emmy Award winning drama The Practice. Yes, and she's also

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Speaker 3: Yes, she has been in so many great things. Definitely,

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Speaker 3: when you see her face, she'd be like, I know

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Speaker 3: that actress. It's so interesting. I hadn't put together that

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Speaker 3: vivid memory and I just sometimes I'll read a tabloid

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Speaker 3: when she was about to give birth to him, and

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Speaker 3: she was talking about how she picked his name. She

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Speaker 3: she was having a boy, and she thought, which one

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Speaker 2: And it was Milo.

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Speaker 3: And now I think about that name being like yelled

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Speaker 3: the fan castings for this movie, which I hadn't put together.

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Speaker 1: So I just need to go back a second. How

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Speaker 1: do you have that in your brain?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It's probably taking a very valuable information.

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Speaker 1: He's twenty five years old.

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Speaker 4: How do you remember something from twenty five years ago

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Speaker 2: Who I know?

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Speaker 3: Because I never heard anyone say that before. That's how

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Speaker 3: it was just practical. I don't think I remember. I

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Speaker 2: That I remembered her. I think I just thought that's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So Antingcroft being a Australian actress also is pretty huge.

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Speaker 4: So she's been in quite a few I like to

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Speaker 1: But this will be her first sort of major Hollywood role.

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Speaker 3: Yes, which is why, out of all the names that

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Speaker 3: DC series Titans, which has a huge cult following, and

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Speaker 4: So there has been obviously a lot of chat about

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Speaker 4: and you know, there's every single time we get another announcement,

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Speaker 4: I got really interested in like the biggest box office

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Speaker 4: live actions. So the Lion King from twenty nineteen was

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Speaker 4: one point sixty six billion, that's the highest. Beauty in

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Speaker 4: five hundred and seventy million, significant drop there. And then

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Speaker 4: and I just think it's really interesting how Obviously the

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Speaker 4: It is a massive like money maker for them, even

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Speaker 4: if generally with these things it's either critics don't love it,

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Speaker 4: not to mention all of those like merchandising deals that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're definitely going to keep making them.

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Speaker 3: And obviously it hits the two targets of bringing people

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Speaker 3: But there's just been such a fan push for Tangled.

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Speaker 4: interesting things about her.

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00:18:43,634 --> 00:18:45,914
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is interesting listening to it because on my

440
00:18:45,914 --> 00:18:47,954
Speaker 3: first time her name pop up and like, and look,

441
00:18:47,994 --> 00:18:49,114
Speaker 3: this isn't a nice side of me.

442
00:18:49,194 --> 00:18:50,594
Speaker 2: But I've never really liked Kendall Jenner.

443
00:18:50,874 --> 00:18:52,914
Speaker 3: She is not my favorite out of all the sisters,

444
00:18:53,314 --> 00:18:56,553
Speaker 3: and I just have found her sometimes very like. Her

445
00:18:56,594 --> 00:18:59,914
Speaker 3: whole story on the show is very much like I guess,

446
00:18:59,954 --> 00:19:01,994
Speaker 3: like talking about how she's had to work harder than

447
00:19:02,234 --> 00:19:05,114
Speaker 3: other models to get where she is to overcome her

448
00:19:05,154 --> 00:19:07,314
Speaker 3: famous family, instead of never really, I think, I think

449
00:19:07,594 --> 00:19:10,114
Speaker 3: of acknowledging her privilege and this whole thing of like

450
00:19:10,194 --> 00:19:12,034
Speaker 3: being a tom. It sounds so stupid when I say

451
00:19:12,034 --> 00:19:14,513
Speaker 3: that loud I've just never really warmed to her, so

452
00:19:14,674 --> 00:19:16,634
Speaker 3: listening to this it kind of did change my mind

453
00:19:16,634 --> 00:19:18,594
Speaker 3: about her when I sort of heard her in aer

454
00:19:18,874 --> 00:19:21,754
Speaker 3: not just in these controlled snippets as how she comes

455
00:19:21,794 --> 00:19:24,474
Speaker 3: across on The Kardashian Show, but just listening to her,

456
00:19:24,554 --> 00:19:26,754
Speaker 3: like have a conversation where she's lying with this host

457
00:19:26,834 --> 00:19:29,994
Speaker 3: that she obviously feels very comfortable with, and one feels

458
00:19:30,034 --> 00:19:31,914
Speaker 3: like super chatty and funny, so he has a way

459
00:19:31,954 --> 00:19:34,554
Speaker 3: of really like warming people up, and so they're just

460
00:19:34,634 --> 00:19:37,154
Speaker 3: lying there chatting, and she came across a lot warmer

461
00:19:37,194 --> 00:19:39,114
Speaker 3: and more authentic. Yes, And I've seen her before, so

462
00:19:39,114 --> 00:19:41,434
Speaker 3: it did make me check myself that I was sometimes

463
00:19:41,474 --> 00:19:43,754
Speaker 3: being a bit of a hater for very curated clips.

464
00:19:44,074 --> 00:19:47,074
Speaker 3: So it's meant to be a very casual conversation, but

465
00:19:47,234 --> 00:19:50,593
Speaker 3: she really came in I felt with an agenda of

466
00:19:50,634 --> 00:19:54,634
Speaker 3: some big rumors about herself that she wanted to discuss

467
00:19:54,674 --> 00:19:56,434
Speaker 3: and that she wanted to set the record straight on

468
00:19:56,674 --> 00:19:59,074
Speaker 3: and she decided that this was the platform to do it.

469
00:19:59,154 --> 00:20:04,714
Speaker 4: I wonder why it was this particular environment over any other.

470
00:20:05,114 --> 00:20:07,234
Speaker 4: Was it because it was done in kind of a

471
00:20:07,274 --> 00:20:11,114
Speaker 4: more relaxed, comedic way, So it wasn't like this big

472
00:20:11,234 --> 00:20:14,234
Speaker 4: like Bob Mom four corners, you know, deep dive into

473
00:20:14,234 --> 00:20:17,354
Speaker 4: the controversies that you know have played Kendall jenneral. It

474
00:20:17,474 --> 00:20:20,354
Speaker 4: has that kind of likeness and levity to it. The

475
00:20:20,354 --> 00:20:22,394
Speaker 4: first one that we see from a lot of the

476
00:20:22,434 --> 00:20:27,313
Speaker 4: outlets is her admitting to certain cosmetic procedures. So she

477
00:20:27,434 --> 00:20:32,114
Speaker 4: says she's admitted to quote baby botox and PRP, which

478
00:20:32,154 --> 00:20:35,754
Speaker 4: is platelet rich plasma. She says those are the only

479
00:20:36,474 --> 00:20:39,474
Speaker 4: cosmetic procedures that she has had, and people are a

480
00:20:39,514 --> 00:20:40,034
Speaker 4: little bit.

481
00:20:39,954 --> 00:20:42,794
Speaker 3: Like, uh yeah, yeah, definitely. That was like a part

482
00:20:42,794 --> 00:20:45,874
Speaker 3: of the conversation that's gone a bit viral. So yeah, again,

483
00:20:45,914 --> 00:20:47,434
Speaker 3: it's super and formal. They're lying on the beard, the

484
00:20:47,554 --> 00:20:49,434
Speaker 3: turning back and forth. I think they were talking about

485
00:20:49,474 --> 00:20:51,593
Speaker 3: some insecurities, and then although we're talking about her being

486
00:20:51,634 --> 00:20:53,754
Speaker 3: in high school actually is how it started, and her

487
00:20:53,874 --> 00:20:56,314
Speaker 3: high school experience and deciding to be homeschool, but talking

488
00:20:56,354 --> 00:20:58,793
Speaker 3: about having her same friends from high school still and

489
00:20:58,834 --> 00:21:00,994
Speaker 3: then she said it was really difficult in particular because

490
00:21:01,034 --> 00:21:02,914
Speaker 3: I had really bad acne and they were talking about

491
00:21:02,954 --> 00:21:05,114
Speaker 3: that and it led to this conversation and how her

492
00:21:05,154 --> 00:21:08,554
Speaker 3: face has changed. Owen feels at one point, Kendall, you're

493
00:21:08,634 --> 00:21:11,274
Speaker 3: so well spoken. You never say like, oh my god,

494
00:21:11,274 --> 00:21:13,114
Speaker 3: oh my god, I feel like a ton of bricks.

495
00:21:13,114 --> 00:21:15,514
Speaker 1: Okay, I like all the time, okay, okay.

496
00:21:15,834 --> 00:21:18,114
Speaker 4: One of the things was the most cringe worthy moment

497
00:21:18,154 --> 00:21:20,354
Speaker 4: of this I don't mind, Olwen. It took me a

498
00:21:20,394 --> 00:21:22,874
Speaker 4: minute to warm up to him. But he says at

499
00:21:22,874 --> 00:21:26,273
Speaker 4: one point, which is very cute, oh my god, do

500
00:21:26,314 --> 00:21:27,354
Speaker 4: you read You're so smart?

501
00:21:27,394 --> 00:21:29,194
Speaker 1: No one says accustomed on this podcast.

502
00:21:29,274 --> 00:21:30,594
Speaker 2: No, I know. That was funny too.

503
00:21:30,714 --> 00:21:33,794
Speaker 3: That was a lot also because he very famously has

504
00:21:33,834 --> 00:21:36,553
Speaker 3: a lot of very smart people, especially smart He's friends

505
00:21:36,594 --> 00:21:39,634
Speaker 3: with Hollywood smart young women. He's friends with Molly Gordon, who,

506
00:21:39,714 --> 00:21:42,474
Speaker 3: along with being an incredible actress, is also a really

507
00:21:42,514 --> 00:21:44,994
Speaker 3: well known writer and producer. And he's really good friends

508
00:21:45,034 --> 00:21:48,754
Speaker 3: with Rachel Sennett, another incredible actress, writer, producer. He's friends

509
00:21:48,754 --> 00:21:50,954
Speaker 3: with the smart kids. He's friends with Benny Drama from

510
00:21:50,994 --> 00:21:54,554
Speaker 3: Overcompensating Who and Benito Skinner, a real name, again, very

511
00:21:54,634 --> 00:21:56,474
Speaker 3: well read writer, director.

512
00:21:56,594 --> 00:21:57,954
Speaker 2: But I loved how he was. I think it was

513
00:21:57,994 --> 00:21:59,074
Speaker 2: just so overcome with Kendall.

514
00:21:59,114 --> 00:22:01,954
Speaker 1: But I was just so confused by that line, and

515
00:22:01,994 --> 00:22:04,274
Speaker 1: it was really early on I was like, sweetheart, it's

516
00:22:04,314 --> 00:22:05,314
Speaker 1: not it's okay.

517
00:22:05,594 --> 00:22:07,754
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, all the other friends been on there. I

518
00:22:07,914 --> 00:22:08,994
Speaker 2: just like, sorry, what wait?

519
00:22:08,994 --> 00:22:10,514
Speaker 1: I thought I was smart anyway, Sorry.

520
00:22:10,794 --> 00:22:12,794
Speaker 2: She's kind of like I'm not. She said she reads

521
00:22:12,834 --> 00:22:14,314
Speaker 2: and stuff, but there was no follow ups. I don't

522
00:22:14,314 --> 00:22:14,793
Speaker 2: know about that.

523
00:22:14,954 --> 00:22:16,714
Speaker 3: But he does say he's like, Kendall, you you're so

524
00:22:16,754 --> 00:22:19,474
Speaker 3: well spoken. You never say like and I was like, oh,

525
00:22:19,514 --> 00:22:21,074
Speaker 3: it's my goal in life for someone to think that

526
00:22:21,154 --> 00:22:24,434
Speaker 3: about me. But anyway, she like her, But I do say, well,

527
00:22:24,434 --> 00:22:26,234
Speaker 3: if you ever listened back to this podcast, is every

528
00:22:26,274 --> 00:22:28,394
Speaker 3: second word I'm trying to rein it in, but it's

529
00:22:28,394 --> 00:22:31,354
Speaker 3: no one would ever call me well spoken anyway, I digress.

530
00:22:31,354 --> 00:22:33,273
Speaker 3: I'm not a supermannol, not well spoken. We all have

531
00:22:33,354 --> 00:22:36,474
Speaker 3: our burdens to bear. So she was talking about her yes,

532
00:22:36,514 --> 00:22:38,634
Speaker 3: about home being home, homeschool, and then they started talking

533
00:22:38,674 --> 00:22:41,154
Speaker 3: about acne, which led into talking about their faces and

534
00:22:41,194 --> 00:22:42,474
Speaker 3: what they were doing, and he was trying to get

535
00:22:42,514 --> 00:22:45,354
Speaker 3: skincare tips from her, and that's when she said, I've

536
00:22:45,474 --> 00:22:48,314
Speaker 3: never had, as you were saying, any cosmetic surgery done.

537
00:22:48,354 --> 00:22:50,074
Speaker 3: And it's like she knew that people were going to

538
00:22:50,194 --> 00:22:52,274
Speaker 3: roll their eyes. So she leans over if you watch

539
00:22:52,274 --> 00:22:54,994
Speaker 3: the video of the podcast, she leans over and she's like,

540
00:22:55,034 --> 00:22:56,914
Speaker 3: I swear on everything in my life. I swear on

541
00:22:56,994 --> 00:22:59,273
Speaker 3: everything I love. I had nothing done. I promised you.

542
00:22:59,354 --> 00:23:01,994
Speaker 3: I've promised you. And then I guess because she is

543
00:23:02,114 --> 00:23:05,594
Speaker 3: very online, which he does ask her about and she says,

544
00:23:05,634 --> 00:23:07,474
Speaker 3: which is fair enough. She's like, yeah, I'm not saying

545
00:23:07,474 --> 00:23:08,994
Speaker 3: about me. I see comments, I see the videos, I

546
00:23:09,034 --> 00:23:10,793
Speaker 3: see the TikTok. So she sees everything. She sees what

547
00:23:10,794 --> 00:23:12,994
Speaker 3: people are saying about her. So she knows that people

548
00:23:12,994 --> 00:23:15,634
Speaker 3: think she's had a lot of surgery done. She's watched

549
00:23:15,634 --> 00:23:19,114
Speaker 3: a lot of those videos where cosmetic surgeons haven't treated her,

550
00:23:19,154 --> 00:23:21,194
Speaker 3: have pulled up her photo and like gone through her

551
00:23:21,234 --> 00:23:23,434
Speaker 3: pictures and said like, she's had this done, She's had

552
00:23:23,434 --> 00:23:25,834
Speaker 3: this tone, she said this done. And she said that

553
00:23:25,874 --> 00:23:28,074
Speaker 3: the biggest thing that she gets accused of is having

554
00:23:28,074 --> 00:23:30,234
Speaker 3: a nose job. And then she goes on to say

555
00:23:30,274 --> 00:23:32,474
Speaker 3: she doesn't know what happened either, she grew into her nose.

556
00:23:32,474 --> 00:23:34,114
Speaker 3: Because I noticed that's the thing that all the people

557
00:23:34,154 --> 00:23:36,954
Speaker 3: have picked someone TikTok have really run with saying that

558
00:23:36,994 --> 00:23:39,754
Speaker 3: she's a liar because they put side by side photos

559
00:23:39,754 --> 00:23:42,034
Speaker 3: of her from when she was fifteen to now.

560
00:23:42,154 --> 00:23:44,273
Speaker 2: And she's thirty now, so fifteen year difference.

561
00:23:44,314 --> 00:23:47,033
Speaker 3: People's faces do change, but what they've said is like,

562
00:23:47,034 --> 00:23:49,594
Speaker 3: there's such a noticeable difference in her nose. It looks

563
00:23:49,634 --> 00:23:52,554
Speaker 3: like cosmetic surgery. And she said she either grew into

564
00:23:52,554 --> 00:23:54,114
Speaker 3: her nose. She doesn't know what happened. She's like, either

565
00:23:54,114 --> 00:23:56,914
Speaker 3: grew into it or she says, I took acutine, which

566
00:23:56,954 --> 00:23:59,354
Speaker 3: is the drug for skincare, and she doesn't know, but

567
00:23:59,474 --> 00:24:01,794
Speaker 3: she said she's seen videos say that could change your nose,

568
00:24:01,834 --> 00:24:03,593
Speaker 3: so she's going with that. To be fair to her,

569
00:24:03,634 --> 00:24:06,033
Speaker 3: she did say, like, I don't have any medical evidence.

570
00:24:06,034 --> 00:24:07,914
Speaker 3: She's like, I've just seen videos TikTok, and I was like,

571
00:24:07,914 --> 00:24:09,273
Speaker 3: oh my god, it's not just me. I thought I

572
00:24:09,354 --> 00:24:11,474
Speaker 3: was crazy for thinking that. So there is that. And

573
00:24:11,474 --> 00:24:13,314
Speaker 3: of course, as soon as she said that on the podcast,

574
00:24:13,354 --> 00:24:15,514
Speaker 3: I've had no plastic surgery done except for the two

575
00:24:15,554 --> 00:24:18,074
Speaker 3: small things she mentioned, then all of a sudden, all

576
00:24:18,114 --> 00:24:20,714
Speaker 3: these videos of people saying like her nose is notably different,

577
00:24:20,754 --> 00:24:24,434
Speaker 3: her cheekbones are different, her eyelids have moved, her eyebrows

578
00:24:24,474 --> 00:24:27,914
Speaker 3: like this much higher, all these things, like anything with celebrities,

579
00:24:27,954 --> 00:24:30,074
Speaker 3: though it is kind of sometimes hard to tell because

580
00:24:30,114 --> 00:24:33,794
Speaker 3: like faces do change over time, makeup really does make

581
00:24:33,794 --> 00:24:36,114
Speaker 3: your face, like from how you're doing your own makeup

582
00:24:36,154 --> 00:24:38,994
Speaker 3: as a fifteen year old, having like the biggest makeup

583
00:24:39,074 --> 00:24:41,514
Speaker 3: artists in the world do your face, it does change.

584
00:24:41,754 --> 00:24:45,234
Speaker 3: But also her face does look markedly different. So I'm

585
00:24:45,274 --> 00:24:46,874
Speaker 3: on the fence. I don't know the answer to it,

586
00:24:47,154 --> 00:24:48,314
Speaker 3: but I also just don't know.

587
00:24:48,274 --> 00:24:49,074
Speaker 2: Why she wouldn't.

588
00:24:49,194 --> 00:24:51,794
Speaker 3: I guess the thing is like her persona is very

589
00:24:51,794 --> 00:24:54,674
Speaker 3: different to her famous sisters, Whereas because they've all come

590
00:24:54,714 --> 00:24:57,674
Speaker 3: out and like Kylie's given the exact measurements of how

591
00:24:57,714 --> 00:25:00,194
Speaker 3: she got her boobs from the amount of like silicone

592
00:25:00,234 --> 00:25:02,553
Speaker 3: chair there to the doctor she used to like the

593
00:25:02,714 --> 00:25:04,273
Speaker 3: he put it under the muscle, Like we have all

594
00:25:04,274 --> 00:25:07,114
Speaker 3: the details. Chloe has come out with all her details,

595
00:25:07,274 --> 00:25:09,634
Speaker 3: is Jenna. The only one who hasn't also hasn't said

596
00:25:09,674 --> 00:25:12,754
Speaker 3: anything is Kim Kardashian. So maybe that's like she said

597
00:25:12,754 --> 00:25:14,634
Speaker 3: that she's had a few little things done here and there,

598
00:25:14,634 --> 00:25:16,994
Speaker 3: but she also has denied a lot of plastic surgery.

599
00:25:17,114 --> 00:25:19,674
Speaker 3: So hard to say it, but Kendall's also her whole

600
00:25:19,714 --> 00:25:22,314
Speaker 3: thing is like I'm a tomboy. I love modeling, but

601
00:25:22,354 --> 00:25:24,594
Speaker 3: I'm not into high glamour. I'm not like, that's not

602
00:25:24,754 --> 00:25:28,314
Speaker 3: her brand. So I wonder even if she had something done,

603
00:25:28,314 --> 00:25:30,474
Speaker 3: if she was maybe too nervous to say it because

604
00:25:30,474 --> 00:25:32,994
Speaker 3: it goes against the brand she's built, or because she's

605
00:25:33,034 --> 00:25:35,074
Speaker 3: been bullied so much online she just thinks that.

606
00:25:34,954 --> 00:25:36,514
Speaker 2: Would open the door to more bullying.

607
00:25:36,714 --> 00:25:40,714
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just seems like if she had had surgery,

608
00:25:40,754 --> 00:25:44,594
Speaker 4: it would be smart to open up about it because

609
00:25:44,594 --> 00:25:48,834
Speaker 4: we've seen the reception from fans on when people when

610
00:25:48,874 --> 00:25:52,354
Speaker 4: celebrities admit to plastic surgery, it's like, thanks for being honest.

611
00:25:52,834 --> 00:25:55,114
Speaker 4: You know, the tides turning a little bit. There's more

612
00:25:55,234 --> 00:25:58,834
Speaker 4: a positive reaction to it now rather than continually trying

613
00:25:58,874 --> 00:26:01,394
Speaker 4: to hide it. People find that more irritating than actually

614
00:26:01,474 --> 00:26:03,154
Speaker 4: admitting to doing the surgery itself.

615
00:26:03,314 --> 00:26:03,794
Speaker 2: Exactly.

616
00:26:03,994 --> 00:26:06,513
Speaker 3: It's kind of giving. Like early Kylie Jenner when she

617
00:26:06,674 --> 00:26:09,914
Speaker 3: had vent which she has now admitted to or spoken

618
00:26:09,914 --> 00:26:11,114
Speaker 3: about admitted it's not the right word.

619
00:26:12,274 --> 00:26:12,834
Speaker 2: Yeah, when she.

620
00:26:12,834 --> 00:26:15,274
Speaker 3: Said I haven't had my lipstan it's just my lip kit.

621
00:26:15,314 --> 00:26:17,034
Speaker 3: You can just buy this pencil and your lips will

622
00:26:17,034 --> 00:26:18,874
Speaker 3: also grow. When we let a fan out was Philip

623
00:26:18,874 --> 00:26:21,434
Speaker 3: but also she was very young and getting very bullied.

624
00:26:21,474 --> 00:26:23,634
Speaker 3: So I also just don't know what the whole Kendle

625
00:26:23,674 --> 00:26:25,793
Speaker 3: thing if it's more of like a bullying thing or

626
00:26:26,274 --> 00:26:28,194
Speaker 3: some of her sisters can turn it into like a

627
00:26:28,194 --> 00:26:30,354
Speaker 3: bit of humor and a bit of part of their persona,

628
00:26:30,514 --> 00:26:33,554
Speaker 3: but it's just not hers. Like recently when Chloe Kardashi

629
00:26:33,594 --> 00:26:36,513
Speaker 3: and her sister was interviewing Dolly Putton her podcast, and

630
00:26:36,554 --> 00:26:39,354
Speaker 3: Dolly was talking about her beauty routine and then she's

631
00:26:39,394 --> 00:26:41,354
Speaker 3: like to Chloe, oh, you know, because I wasn't a

632
00:26:41,394 --> 00:26:43,434
Speaker 3: natural beauty like you girls, I had to do this.

633
00:26:43,514 --> 00:26:46,474
Speaker 3: And Chloe is like, babe, this is not natural. None

634
00:26:46,474 --> 00:26:48,674
Speaker 3: of this is natural and just kind of laughs away

635
00:26:48,674 --> 00:26:50,594
Speaker 3: and like talks about her own nose job and stuff.

636
00:26:50,634 --> 00:26:52,714
Speaker 3: So it's just I just don't think Kendall's in that

637
00:26:52,794 --> 00:26:54,354
Speaker 3: kind of world to be able to talk.

638
00:26:54,234 --> 00:26:57,954
Speaker 2: That openly about it. But the thing is she came.

639
00:26:57,834 --> 00:27:00,513
Speaker 3: In swinging, really wanting to defend it, which makes me

640
00:27:00,634 --> 00:27:03,513
Speaker 3: kind of believe her, because I thought, if you're lying

641
00:27:03,554 --> 00:27:05,994
Speaker 3: about it, why would you want to make it such

642
00:27:05,994 --> 00:27:08,154
Speaker 3: a huge thing. Why she brought it up? She brought

643
00:27:08,194 --> 00:27:09,674
Speaker 3: it up. She was the one, like they weren't talking

644
00:27:09,714 --> 00:27:12,234
Speaker 3: about plastic surgery. They were talking about high school experiences

645
00:27:12,234 --> 00:27:14,314
Speaker 3: and things. He's not the kind of person who would

646
00:27:14,354 --> 00:27:16,594
Speaker 3: He asked some interesting questions on thea like I do

647
00:27:16,674 --> 00:27:18,833
Speaker 3: like his interviewing style, but he would never be like

648
00:27:19,114 --> 00:27:20,754
Speaker 3: tell me yes or no, have you had this? Like

649
00:27:20,794 --> 00:27:23,234
Speaker 3: he's trying to be friendly to her. So she was

650
00:27:23,274 --> 00:27:24,754
Speaker 3: the one who came in guns are blazing with it.

651
00:27:24,794 --> 00:27:26,114
Speaker 3: She's the one who brought it up. She's the one

652
00:27:26,154 --> 00:27:28,234
Speaker 3: who doubled down, And that just makes me think that

653
00:27:28,274 --> 00:27:31,354
Speaker 3: she is telling the truth. Otherwise, why to God would

654
00:27:31,434 --> 00:27:33,634
Speaker 3: you make this such a big thing and draw even

655
00:27:33,674 --> 00:27:34,714
Speaker 3: more attention to it.

656
00:27:35,034 --> 00:27:38,994
Speaker 4: She did also mention another rumor that has been circulating,

657
00:27:39,034 --> 00:27:41,714
Speaker 4: and she says in the interview, when I was on

658
00:27:41,714 --> 00:27:44,114
Speaker 4: my way here, I'm going to address this. So you're

659
00:27:44,194 --> 00:27:47,314
Speaker 4: right she did coming guns blazing on the plastic surgery.

660
00:27:47,914 --> 00:27:50,714
Speaker 4: She also came in guns blazing about the rumors that

661
00:27:50,794 --> 00:27:52,514
Speaker 4: she is gay or a lesbian.

662
00:27:52,714 --> 00:27:55,554
Speaker 2: A lot of people think you're a secret lesbian.

663
00:27:55,794 --> 00:27:57,914
Speaker 5: I know, and can you tell me why you think that?

664
00:27:58,754 --> 00:27:59,874
Speaker 1: I actually don't know.

665
00:28:00,234 --> 00:28:01,914
Speaker 2: It's really hardcore.

666
00:28:01,594 --> 00:28:04,194
Speaker 5: And like people, it's kind of great, Yeah, but you

667
00:28:04,234 --> 00:28:06,354
Speaker 5: want to not really bothers me is how mean people

668
00:28:06,434 --> 00:28:09,394
Speaker 5: are about it. Like it's not with like a welcoming arm,

669
00:28:09,754 --> 00:28:13,554
Speaker 5: like hey, like if you were like yes, come join yes,

670
00:28:13,834 --> 00:28:17,914
Speaker 5: like totally kind, it's like very mean totally, it's very

671
00:28:18,034 --> 00:28:21,834
Speaker 5: like what the fuck are you doing? Like I understand that,

672
00:28:21,914 --> 00:28:24,554
Speaker 5: like coming out is not an easy thing for anybody,

673
00:28:24,594 --> 00:28:29,114
Speaker 5: if not at most people. And I'm not saying that

674
00:28:29,114 --> 00:28:31,513
Speaker 5: that's an easy thing. But knowing I can speak for

675
00:28:31,554 --> 00:28:34,314
Speaker 5: myself here and knowing myself, like I think at this

676
00:28:34,354 --> 00:28:36,914
Speaker 5: point in my life, i'd be out if I were.

677
00:28:36,874 --> 00:28:42,154
Speaker 2: To yes and love and support around you totally. And

678
00:28:42,194 --> 00:28:43,594
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's an easy thing.

679
00:28:43,674 --> 00:28:47,434
Speaker 5: I'm just saying that knowing me and knowing how I

680
00:28:47,474 --> 00:28:49,514
Speaker 5: would want to live my life like I would be

681
00:28:49,674 --> 00:28:52,554
Speaker 5: like I have, like I'd have no problem being that.

682
00:28:52,754 --> 00:28:55,114
Speaker 2: All's to say, as of today, I.

683
00:28:55,074 --> 00:28:58,354
Speaker 5: Am not totally I don't think I will be, but

684
00:28:58,994 --> 00:29:00,914
Speaker 5: I'm not like closing.

685
00:29:00,514 --> 00:29:02,794
Speaker 1: Doors totally totally totally like.

686
00:29:02,794 --> 00:29:03,874
Speaker 5: Experiences in life.

687
00:29:03,994 --> 00:29:06,114
Speaker 4: Honestly, I agree with that if she was gay, she'd

688
00:29:06,114 --> 00:29:09,554
Speaker 4: be gay. To me, there is no logical reason why

689
00:29:09,714 --> 00:29:11,514
Speaker 4: she would hide it at this point.

690
00:29:11,834 --> 00:29:14,834
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I know is only what she's saying I

691
00:29:14,874 --> 00:29:15,714
Speaker 2: never loved that thing.

692
00:29:15,794 --> 00:29:18,434
Speaker 3: When actors get accused of being gay or anything like that,

693
00:29:18,634 --> 00:29:20,514
Speaker 3: people be like, oh, if they would just be gay,

694
00:29:20,554 --> 00:29:22,834
Speaker 3: and it's like no, no, no, Like obviously in a perfect world, yes,

695
00:29:22,874 --> 00:29:25,514
Speaker 3: but I think that's really diminishing the experience that people

696
00:29:25,554 --> 00:29:27,914
Speaker 3: still have now is like, you definitely could lose out

697
00:29:27,914 --> 00:29:31,154
Speaker 3: on roles or parts or or you know, people in

698
00:29:31,194 --> 00:29:32,594
Speaker 3: the industry might not want to work with you, like

699
00:29:32,634 --> 00:29:34,314
Speaker 3: that is a real Your family might not want to

700
00:29:34,354 --> 00:29:36,474
Speaker 3: be in contact with you. There's such a real thing there.

701
00:29:36,514 --> 00:29:38,394
Speaker 3: But I think there's an interesting thing of what she's

702
00:29:38,394 --> 00:29:40,914
Speaker 3: saying there, which is, yes, there have been persistent rumors

703
00:29:41,194 --> 00:29:43,954
Speaker 3: for many, many, many years that she is secretly a

704
00:29:44,034 --> 00:29:46,234
Speaker 3: lesbian and that she has been too scared to come

705
00:29:46,234 --> 00:29:48,154
Speaker 3: out because she was like quite young and in fame.

706
00:29:48,514 --> 00:29:51,474
Speaker 3: And then the story cycled into that her family wouldn't

707
00:29:51,474 --> 00:29:54,434
Speaker 3: allow her to come out, which again, I mean this family,

708
00:29:54,434 --> 00:29:56,114
Speaker 3: I feel like I've watched been on TV for over

709
00:29:56,154 --> 00:29:58,794
Speaker 3: a decade. I don't know them, but I can't see

710
00:29:58,834 --> 00:30:02,314
Speaker 3: them forcing her to not come out as gay. I

711
00:30:02,394 --> 00:30:04,234
Speaker 3: can't see how that would damage their brand, which is

712
00:30:04,274 --> 00:30:06,714
Speaker 3: the main thing that they care about. But it has

713
00:30:06,794 --> 00:30:09,154
Speaker 3: been a incidant rumor that has tracked her for years,

714
00:30:09,194 --> 00:30:11,754
Speaker 3: and anytime she sort of teases a big announcement, which

715
00:30:11,754 --> 00:30:14,074
Speaker 3: she's done a few times, whether she's like starting a

716
00:30:14,074 --> 00:30:17,354
Speaker 3: brand or she's the ambassador for something, there's always immediate

717
00:30:17,434 --> 00:30:21,394
Speaker 3: backlash after she announces I'm starting aart quilla brand. I've

718
00:30:21,394 --> 00:30:24,674
Speaker 3: become the face of the skincare line because people are like, Oh,

719
00:30:24,754 --> 00:30:26,394
Speaker 3: we thought you were finally going to come out, and like,

720
00:30:26,434 --> 00:30:28,554
Speaker 3: why are you lying to us? And why would you

721
00:30:28,554 --> 00:30:30,514
Speaker 3: say you had an announcement if it's not that. So

722
00:30:30,594 --> 00:30:32,914
Speaker 3: it has been following her for nearly a decade, which

723
00:30:32,954 --> 00:30:33,474
Speaker 3: is crazy.

724
00:30:34,074 --> 00:30:36,754
Speaker 4: Yeah, I understand what you're saying about people coming out,

725
00:30:36,794 --> 00:30:39,074
Speaker 4: and you know, it is obviously something that people wanted

726
00:30:39,154 --> 00:30:42,034
Speaker 4: to think about. I'm just thinking about Kendall in the

727
00:30:42,074 --> 00:30:44,394
Speaker 4: context of her family and who she is and the

728
00:30:44,514 --> 00:30:46,914
Speaker 4: environment that she lives in. She lives in Los Angeles,

729
00:30:47,154 --> 00:30:51,714
Speaker 4: in California, which is notoriously a very democratic state. Los

730
00:30:51,754 --> 00:30:55,794
Speaker 4: Angeles very very progressive. You know, her father is trans,

731
00:30:56,154 --> 00:31:00,474
Speaker 4: She is surrounded by people within the LGBTQIA plus community.

732
00:31:00,754 --> 00:31:03,954
Speaker 4: So I would imagine that if that was something that

733
00:31:03,994 --> 00:31:07,594
Speaker 4: she felt, she would feel comfortable enough to to make

734
00:31:07,714 --> 00:31:11,114
Speaker 4: that announcement. I'm making an assumption here, but yeah, well

735
00:31:11,154 --> 00:31:11,794
Speaker 4: the thing is like.

736
00:31:11,994 --> 00:31:14,194
Speaker 2: From my view of here, yeah, yah, of course, of course.

737
00:31:14,234 --> 00:31:15,994
Speaker 3: And the thing is, the reason that people think she's

738
00:31:16,034 --> 00:31:18,474
Speaker 3: gay is not because they think that she's been spotted

739
00:31:18,474 --> 00:31:20,034
Speaker 3: out and about with someone they think as her lover

740
00:31:20,154 --> 00:31:22,954
Speaker 3: or of anything like that. It's mainly stems from the

741
00:31:22,954 --> 00:31:25,834
Speaker 3: fact that she is not married with her husband at

742
00:31:25,834 --> 00:31:28,474
Speaker 3: the young age of thirty or like any age thing,

743
00:31:28,514 --> 00:31:30,114
Speaker 3: like even a woman in their forty fifty sixties.

744
00:31:30,114 --> 00:31:30,634
Speaker 2: He's not married.

745
00:31:30,674 --> 00:31:32,714
Speaker 3: Doesn't mean she's a lesbian. Yeah, there's a lot of

746
00:31:32,754 --> 00:31:36,074
Speaker 3: different nu ones there, but her roommate Kathy, Yeah, and

747
00:31:36,274 --> 00:31:39,274
Speaker 3: just like yeah, this idea that because her like other

748
00:31:39,314 --> 00:31:40,994
Speaker 3: siblings have children and she doesn't.

749
00:31:41,034 --> 00:31:41,994
Speaker 2: Again, she's only thirty.

750
00:31:42,274 --> 00:31:44,114
Speaker 3: And the fact that she's a lot more private with

751
00:31:44,114 --> 00:31:46,194
Speaker 3: her relationships, Like we know a lot of the men

752
00:31:46,234 --> 00:31:49,234
Speaker 3: that she's dated over the years, but mostly because she's

753
00:31:49,274 --> 00:31:51,314
Speaker 3: been like pictured with them. Like, she's not someone who

754
00:31:51,394 --> 00:31:53,994
Speaker 3: ever shows her relationship on the reality show. She doesn't

755
00:31:54,034 --> 00:31:55,714
Speaker 3: post a lot about it, so it's very kind of

756
00:31:55,794 --> 00:31:57,754
Speaker 3: under wraps. And there's been a few other things that

757
00:31:57,754 --> 00:31:59,234
Speaker 3: people like, oh, you know, I saw her go to

758
00:31:59,274 --> 00:32:01,994
Speaker 3: this club, or she's always with her girlfriends, like all

759
00:32:02,034 --> 00:32:03,914
Speaker 3: these kind of things that don't really add up except

760
00:32:03,914 --> 00:32:06,074
Speaker 3: for that people are just wanting this secret scandal.

761
00:32:06,154 --> 00:32:08,434
Speaker 4: But it is interesting. And Owen does say this within

762
00:32:08,474 --> 00:32:10,914
Speaker 4: the podcast. He's like, you are quite private. But I

763
00:32:10,954 --> 00:32:15,554
Speaker 4: would say for your average person in pop culture, they

764
00:32:15,554 --> 00:32:18,234
Speaker 4: would be able to name a partner of every single

765
00:32:18,354 --> 00:32:23,314
Speaker 4: member of the Jenna Kardashian clan, and I'm including Brody

766
00:32:23,394 --> 00:32:26,634
Speaker 4: Jenner in this. I think the person that they would

767
00:32:26,674 --> 00:32:30,074
Speaker 4: struggle with the most would be Kendall. Yeah, because like,

768
00:32:30,114 --> 00:32:33,434
Speaker 4: what would you say her most famous part boyfriends have

769
00:32:33,554 --> 00:32:34,794
Speaker 4: Beene Devin Booker.

770
00:32:34,834 --> 00:32:36,514
Speaker 3: I would say they were together for a few years,

771
00:32:36,514 --> 00:32:39,034
Speaker 3: broke up, got back together, and then she was with

772
00:32:39,074 --> 00:32:40,434
Speaker 3: Bad Bunny for a while, which I find it so

773
00:32:40,474 --> 00:32:42,274
Speaker 3: sweet because the don't speak the same language, but they

774
00:32:42,274 --> 00:32:44,634
Speaker 3: were obviously in love. But again, like and I know

775
00:32:44,674 --> 00:32:46,674
Speaker 3: there's been a few others kind of in between.

776
00:32:46,394 --> 00:32:50,954
Speaker 4: But not that has never been the top story about Kendall, but.

777
00:32:50,914 --> 00:32:52,594
Speaker 3: Only because I've seen photos of them going in and

778
00:32:52,634 --> 00:32:54,634
Speaker 3: out of clubs and I know nothing about their relationship

779
00:32:54,674 --> 00:32:57,314
Speaker 3: in terms of like we don't know what they do together.

780
00:32:57,354 --> 00:32:59,154
Speaker 3: Besides the fact that she goes to his basketball games

781
00:32:59,154 --> 00:33:01,074
Speaker 3: and they go to Nobou together, Like there's no kind of.

782
00:33:01,114 --> 00:33:02,634
Speaker 2: Mythology about their romance.

783
00:33:02,674 --> 00:33:05,634
Speaker 3: There's no information because she is so private, and I

784
00:33:05,634 --> 00:33:07,914
Speaker 3: thought it was interesting that she y she decided to

785
00:33:07,954 --> 00:33:09,914
Speaker 3: like really bring that up here, and she had made

786
00:33:09,954 --> 00:33:11,354
Speaker 3: that decision on the way there that she was going

787
00:33:11,394 --> 00:33:12,714
Speaker 3: to address it her driving there.

788
00:33:12,714 --> 00:33:14,034
Speaker 2: I feel like she's like white knuckling.

789
00:33:14,154 --> 00:33:18,194
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was like, I'm going to address everything, every rumor,

790
00:33:18,394 --> 00:33:20,194
Speaker 3: And I think maybe because it is a relaxed and

791
00:33:20,194 --> 00:33:22,514
Speaker 3: friendly environment and it's with someone that she knows, and

792
00:33:22,554 --> 00:33:24,634
Speaker 3: she mentioned that she wanted to come on the podcast

793
00:33:24,674 --> 00:33:27,314
Speaker 3: because she knew Hailey Bieber had a really good experience

794
00:33:27,354 --> 00:33:29,554
Speaker 3: and so she felt safe. And I think it's less

795
00:33:29,634 --> 00:33:32,474
Speaker 3: formal than the reality show, where you know, you're sitting

796
00:33:32,474 --> 00:33:35,154
Speaker 3: in that interview space or you have to concoct a

797
00:33:35,194 --> 00:33:37,994
Speaker 3: storyline around it, and then you're sitting in an interview space,

798
00:33:38,034 --> 00:33:39,874
Speaker 3: and even though you had the whole show, you're only

799
00:33:39,914 --> 00:33:41,954
Speaker 3: having like a snippet. And then if she does it

800
00:33:41,994 --> 00:33:45,194
Speaker 3: in a magazine article, it's also a written piece, which

801
00:33:45,234 --> 00:33:47,474
Speaker 3: some celebs are kind of a bit back and forth

802
00:33:47,474 --> 00:33:49,674
Speaker 3: across now, like some of them prefer a long form

803
00:33:49,754 --> 00:33:51,954
Speaker 3: podcast because then they can sort of just put their

804
00:33:51,994 --> 00:33:54,034
Speaker 3: whole story out and it's not being written up by

805
00:33:54,034 --> 00:33:54,754
Speaker 3: a third party.

806
00:33:55,234 --> 00:33:55,434
Speaker 1: Yeah.

807
00:33:55,474 --> 00:33:58,074
Speaker 4: I mean, look, it's pretty low fi the podcast. It's

808
00:33:58,154 --> 00:34:01,034
Speaker 4: not like it's a super slick production like and that's

809
00:34:01,074 --> 00:34:04,914
Speaker 4: not a criticism, it's just it's supposed to be. It's

810
00:34:04,954 --> 00:34:07,354
Speaker 4: supposed to be like lo fi and casual and fun

811
00:34:07,394 --> 00:34:08,674
Speaker 4: and friends chatting, and.

812
00:34:08,554 --> 00:34:10,594
Speaker 1: You feel that it's interesting.

813
00:34:10,714 --> 00:34:12,513
Speaker 4: I do find that we are seeing a lot of

814
00:34:12,554 --> 00:34:17,674
Speaker 4: these celebrities doing these kind of celebrities on celebrity interviews obviously,

815
00:34:17,754 --> 00:34:19,394
Speaker 4: like you know, we've got that Amy.

816
00:34:19,154 --> 00:34:20,433
Speaker 1: Polo on We've got SmartLess.

817
00:34:20,674 --> 00:34:22,514
Speaker 4: But it was so interesting because the other week I

818
00:34:22,594 --> 00:34:26,354
Speaker 4: was listening to the latest SmartLess episode with Ricky Gervaise

819
00:34:26,434 --> 00:34:28,674
Speaker 4: and right at the start, Bradley Cooper had come on

820
00:34:29,274 --> 00:34:32,834
Speaker 4: and they made this like really quick joke about Bradley

821
00:34:32,874 --> 00:34:35,994
Speaker 4: Cooper having plastic surgery, and that was his way of

822
00:34:35,994 --> 00:34:36,554
Speaker 4: addressing it.

823
00:34:37,154 --> 00:34:39,314
Speaker 3: So instead of also he's been wanting to address that,

824
00:34:39,354 --> 00:34:40,474
Speaker 3: you can just tell exactly.

825
00:34:40,554 --> 00:34:43,474
Speaker 4: So it's so interesting the way that he addressed it

826
00:34:43,554 --> 00:34:45,794
Speaker 4: was going, oh, yeah, everybody thinks I've got plastic surgery.

827
00:34:45,834 --> 00:34:46,873
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell's going on.

828
00:34:47,234 --> 00:34:49,634
Speaker 4: And then Will Arnette and like, you know, Jason Bateman

829
00:34:49,674 --> 00:34:52,594
Speaker 4: and they're laughing with him and got, yeah, that's so crazy.

830
00:34:52,594 --> 00:34:54,913
Speaker 4: It's crazy what people will write. So the way that

831
00:34:54,954 --> 00:34:58,594
Speaker 4: they kind of brush off a rumor or acknowledge a

832
00:34:58,714 --> 00:35:02,714
Speaker 4: rumor is by making that light of it and using

833
00:35:02,714 --> 00:35:06,114
Speaker 4: that kind of buddy funny, you know, way to do it.

834
00:35:06,194 --> 00:35:10,194
Speaker 4: And it's actually quite effective as a way to see

835
00:35:10,354 --> 00:35:12,674
Speaker 4: out and squash rumors.

836
00:35:13,074 --> 00:35:15,754
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and less form want to sit down interview

837
00:35:15,874 --> 00:35:18,114
Speaker 3: or a big magazine profile where it just makes it

838
00:35:18,154 --> 00:35:19,794
Speaker 3: like a huge thing. It's like a way to kind

839
00:35:19,794 --> 00:35:21,754
Speaker 3: of like laugh it off. And then of course you

840
00:35:21,834 --> 00:35:23,554
Speaker 3: have all these other things from the interview that are

841
00:35:23,594 --> 00:35:25,794
Speaker 3: like woven around it, so it doesn't feel like you're

842
00:35:25,834 --> 00:35:28,754
Speaker 3: really even though those are the two the story about

843
00:35:28,794 --> 00:35:32,274
Speaker 3: her possible plastic surgery and her addressing not being lesbian

844
00:35:32,314 --> 00:35:33,913
Speaker 3: O the two ones that have really come out. But

845
00:35:33,954 --> 00:35:36,034
Speaker 3: it is an interesting interview because I thought it was

846
00:35:36,074 --> 00:35:39,354
Speaker 3: interesting that she wavers between being like so crazy unrelatable.

847
00:35:39,434 --> 00:35:42,714
Speaker 3: She talks about decorating her mountain home that went viral

848
00:35:42,754 --> 00:35:45,234
Speaker 3: after she did that architectural didress tour and if you

849
00:35:45,234 --> 00:35:47,634
Speaker 3: saw that when like crazy viral, everyone loved it. It's

850
00:35:47,634 --> 00:35:50,393
Speaker 3: interesting because it looks so like homey and chic. And

851
00:35:50,434 --> 00:35:52,474
Speaker 3: then she's like, yeah, I just wanted to challenge myself

852
00:35:52,754 --> 00:35:54,994
Speaker 3: by decorating this house like a bit out of my

853
00:35:55,074 --> 00:35:56,714
Speaker 3: normal style. And I'm like, I love that you like

854
00:35:56,754 --> 00:35:59,714
Speaker 3: your self. Challenge is to decorate your other mansion, one

855
00:35:59,714 --> 00:36:02,314
Speaker 3: of your many mansions, in a particular way, like you're

856
00:36:02,314 --> 00:36:02,674
Speaker 3: so rich.

857
00:36:02,754 --> 00:36:05,114
Speaker 4: Yeah, when I had the Sims and had multiple homes,

858
00:36:05,114 --> 00:36:06,514
Speaker 4: I would always make sure I did different.

859
00:36:06,554 --> 00:36:08,714
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like this her real life.

860
00:36:08,834 --> 00:36:10,834
Speaker 3: And then but then she would also talk about having

861
00:36:10,834 --> 00:36:12,514
Speaker 3: to spend a lot of time on her own because

862
00:36:12,514 --> 00:36:14,674
Speaker 3: she is single. She's the only one her family who

863
00:36:14,714 --> 00:36:16,953
Speaker 3: is single at the moment, and a lot of her

864
00:36:16,994 --> 00:36:19,114
Speaker 3: friends are married and having kids, and so she talks

865
00:36:19,114 --> 00:36:21,834
Speaker 3: about the fact like sometimes no one I'll really want

866
00:36:21,834 --> 00:36:23,074
Speaker 3: to go out to dinner, I'll want to go to

867
00:36:23,154 --> 00:36:25,433
Speaker 3: lunch and no one's available, so I just I have

868
00:36:25,474 --> 00:36:26,994
Speaker 3: to go by myself or I don't go, so I

869
00:36:27,034 --> 00:36:29,234
Speaker 3: go by myself. And then she talks about like wanting

870
00:36:29,274 --> 00:36:30,994
Speaker 3: to take some trips and like wanting to go and

871
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Speaker 3: visit places, and there's just no one available to go

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Speaker 3: with her. So she's like, I just go by myself

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Speaker 3: and sometimes it's hard, but sometimes it's good.

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Speaker 2: And I found that so relatable because.

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Speaker 3: I've never imagined Kendall Jenna to be the kind of

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Speaker 3: person who is like, I have no one to go

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Speaker 3: with because you just think like, oh, you've got this

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Speaker 3: huge family, and you've got celebrity friends, and you have

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Speaker 3: your assistance, and you have your makeup artist, you have

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Speaker 3: your team, Like, surely if you want to go to dinner,

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Speaker 3: you've got someone to go to dinner with. Surely, if

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Speaker 3: you want to go on a holiday, you've got someone

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Speaker 3: to go on a holiday with. Like, I just never

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Speaker 3: thought that she would have that idea of like having

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Speaker 3: to face loneliness in that way, as which is what

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Speaker 3: happens when you are a single woman in your thirties.

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Speaker 3: It sometimes everyone is busy and you have to go

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Speaker 3: by yourself.

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Speaker 2: So I think that really made me like her.

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Speaker 3: It made me think that I'd maybe misdodged her a

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Speaker 3: little bit, because in amongst all like the crazy celebrity

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Speaker 3: stuff and everything, it was like there was like a

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Speaker 3: real bit of human emotion there.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening to the Spill today.

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Speaker 4: our YouTube channel and you can find all our content there.

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Speaker 4: The Spill is produced by Minisia is Isuar and with

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Speaker 4: sound production by Scott Stroak.

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Speaker 3: Bye Bye, Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land.

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Speaker 3: We have recorded this podcast on the Gadigoor people of

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Speaker 3: the eorination. We pay our respects to their elders past

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Speaker 3: and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and

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Speaker 3: Torres Strait islander cultures.