WEBVTT - It's Your Clothes Though 0:00:10.287 --> 0:00:13.047 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:13.727 --> 0:00:16.767 Mamma Mere acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:16.767 --> 0:00:21.847 that this podcast is recorded on. Skinny jeans are out, 0:00:22.007 --> 0:00:26.127 but all maybe they're in again. Heels are too try hard, 0:00:26.207 --> 0:00:30.047 but trainers, well, they have to be right. Ballet shoes 0:00:30.047 --> 0:00:31.727 are back, but twiddle at ankles only. 0:00:31.767 --> 0:00:33.127 Please. Socks. 0:00:33.447 --> 0:00:36.327 You've got to wear socks, but those are too long, 0:00:36.447 --> 0:00:40.087 and those are too short. That color isn't your season. 0:00:40.367 --> 0:00:43.647 Those earrings are too big, No, sorry, too small? Big 0:00:43.767 --> 0:00:47.167 colorful glasses. Let you wear black, but you don't want 0:00:47.167 --> 0:00:50.847 to look like one of those women in big colorful glasses. 0:00:51.127 --> 0:00:57.527 What's next a chunky necklace? I'm mid wardrobe confusion. I 0:00:57.647 --> 0:01:00.407 want to look like me, but also not like me, 0:01:00.807 --> 0:01:03.767 because me likes the same things I liked when I 0:01:03.807 --> 0:01:07.967 was twenty one. I'm thirty one and forty one jeans 0:01:08.007 --> 0:01:12.087 and frocks and everything blue and apparently dressing like you 0:01:12.447 --> 0:01:16.087 with breaking fashion laws in several states and certainly in 0:01:16.167 --> 0:01:19.967 the Big Book of fashion rules we all internalized as teens. 0:01:20.447 --> 0:01:23.647 Don't show too much flesh, but don't be a nun. 0:01:24.607 --> 0:01:28.367 Lengthen your legs, whittle your waist trick the eye into 0:01:28.447 --> 0:01:31.647 what a twenty year delusion, perhaps where what I wear 0:01:31.727 --> 0:01:36.367 makes me feel great and confident, capable and strong, sexy, 0:01:36.647 --> 0:01:42.967 perhaps comfy, cool French not falling into a trap of comfy, 0:01:43.047 --> 0:01:46.407 cozy midlife dressing that only adds to the whole invisible 0:01:46.407 --> 0:01:48.287 woman effect that comes with. 0:01:48.327 --> 0:01:50.287 The last zero birthday. 0:01:51.047 --> 0:01:53.807 Find me a look please that makes me not double 0:01:53.847 --> 0:01:55.287 take when I pass a shop window. 0:01:55.807 --> 0:01:57.647 Wait, that's me now? 0:01:58.567 --> 0:01:59.647 Is it too much to ask? 0:02:01.487 --> 0:02:01.807 Hello? 0:02:02.127 --> 0:02:06.647 I'm Holly Wainwright and I am mid midlife, mid family, 0:02:06.967 --> 0:02:10.727 mid fashion crisis. Welcome to our new episode, which could 0:02:10.727 --> 0:02:12.607 be called What to Wear when You're not a fetus? 0:02:13.047 --> 0:02:17.167 Grown up clothes, grown up attitude, grown up advice. When 0:02:17.207 --> 0:02:19.767 I decided it was time for a fashion overhaul, you know, 0:02:19.927 --> 0:02:22.407 a grown up one, I knew exactly who to call 0:02:22.527 --> 0:02:27.687 for a gentle roasting and some new bullshit advice. Grace Lamb. 0:02:27.967 --> 0:02:31.127 You might remember Grace because she's our first ever repeat 0:02:31.247 --> 0:02:34.687 guest on mid The fashion stylist who was a former 0:02:34.767 --> 0:02:38.287 senior fashion editor at Vogue China for a decade, was 0:02:38.327 --> 0:02:41.847 on Mid season two talking about hormones. Because as well 0:02:41.887 --> 0:02:44.567 as being a style guru, she's an incredible advocate for 0:02:44.647 --> 0:02:47.807 women going through perry and menopause, and if you heard 0:02:47.847 --> 0:02:51.927 that episode, you know Grace is sweary, forthright and funny 0:02:51.967 --> 0:02:55.727 as hell. Grace has recently moved from Perth to Melbourne 0:02:55.767 --> 0:02:59.767 to continue her bespoke styling and shopping consultancy, and so 0:02:59.847 --> 0:03:01.687 I thought it might be the perfect moment to call 0:03:01.727 --> 0:03:05.407 her up for some no bullshit advice for me, for you, 0:03:05.767 --> 0:03:08.567 for all of us about grown up style shopping and 0:03:08.607 --> 0:03:14.087 spending and definitely definitely not dressing your age. Before we spoke, 0:03:14.447 --> 0:03:17.447 I sent Grace a whole folder full of mirror selfies 0:03:17.487 --> 0:03:19.607 I'd taken over a long period of time of me 0:03:19.927 --> 0:03:23.807 wearing clothes, and as you'll hear, her feedback was real. 0:03:24.327 --> 0:03:28.647 Enjoy this conversation with the exceptionally stylish Grace Lamb about clothes, fashion, 0:03:28.727 --> 0:03:31.447 fun and not giving an f about what. 0:03:31.367 --> 0:03:32.167 You should wear. 0:03:34.207 --> 0:03:37.807 Grace Lamb, before we sat down for this conversation, now 0:03:37.887 --> 0:03:40.407 and middle listeners know you from our wonderful conversation about 0:03:40.407 --> 0:03:43.007 menopause last year. But after I spoke to you, I 0:03:43.047 --> 0:03:44.567 was like, if there's one woman who's going to tell 0:03:44.567 --> 0:03:48.447 it to me straight about clothes, style, fashion in this 0:03:48.767 --> 0:03:49.447 point of my life. 0:03:49.527 --> 0:03:50.047 It's grace. 0:03:50.647 --> 0:03:53.247 I sent you a whole folder of pictures of me, 0:03:53.407 --> 0:03:56.327 like just things I normally wear to work, a couple 0:03:56.367 --> 0:03:58.207 of things i'd wear around the house. I think one 0:03:58.287 --> 0:04:02.647 or two, like going out outfits. Be honest, critique my style. 0:04:02.887 --> 0:04:04.967 I mean to be honest. They weren't as bad as 0:04:04.967 --> 0:04:08.527 I imagined. You told me. 0:04:08.687 --> 0:04:09.047 We don't know. 0:04:09.287 --> 0:04:10.407 Yah, it's a compliment or not. 0:04:10.567 --> 0:04:12.327 You told me to be brutal. I'm going to tell 0:04:12.327 --> 0:04:15.447 it how it is. Some of the style, the mix 0:04:15.487 --> 0:04:17.327 and match are really good, but I think you just 0:04:17.327 --> 0:04:18.367 need to tweak it a little bit. 0:04:19.447 --> 0:04:23.087 Great because I think we'll, obviously said the listeners, No, 0:04:23.207 --> 0:04:25.967 we'll put some of these pictures up on our socials 0:04:26.007 --> 0:04:28.407 so we can see. But also a lot of our 0:04:28.447 --> 0:04:31.247 lists probably have seen me on socials and stuff. There 0:04:31.247 --> 0:04:33.447 are a few things I rely on all the time, 0:04:33.687 --> 0:04:37.567 right jeans, wide legged jeans, silk shirts, things like that. 0:04:37.647 --> 0:04:40.447 I think that they make me look grown up and 0:04:40.527 --> 0:04:41.407 a little bit cool. 0:04:41.527 --> 0:04:42.247 Am I right? Am? 0:04:42.247 --> 0:04:42.567 I wrong? 0:04:42.567 --> 0:04:44.887 One hundred percent? But I think you can go even 0:04:44.967 --> 0:04:48.967 wider on your jeans. So I used to be a 0:04:49.127 --> 0:04:51.647 very skinny jeans girl, because I've got quite sim legs, 0:04:52.287 --> 0:04:55.927 and I think last year, or at least the past 0:04:55.927 --> 0:04:59.927 few months, I started wearing more baggy jeans and it 0:05:00.167 --> 0:05:03.007 changed the whole game. And I implement it on my 0:05:04.287 --> 0:05:06.207 well with all my clients in per because I just 0:05:06.247 --> 0:05:10.087 moved from Perth to Melbourne and it's a game. So 0:05:10.247 --> 0:05:13.607 I saw on your picture your jeans are are pretty white, 0:05:13.727 --> 0:05:16.967 wider than like a skinny jeans, but it needs to 0:05:16.967 --> 0:05:20.887 be even wider on the legs or even some of it. 0:05:20.887 --> 0:05:22.527 You can. You can buy a few pair, like I 0:05:22.527 --> 0:05:26.007 think jeans you can have different colors, different style for 0:05:26.087 --> 0:05:29.447 different locations. So I have a pair because living in Perth, 0:05:29.527 --> 0:05:32.567 there's not many choices to go shopping. So I was 0:05:32.607 --> 0:05:35.447 looking for like a high wasted white jeans, like a 0:05:35.527 --> 0:05:39.247 lighter blue color. Of all places, I found it in 0:05:39.367 --> 0:05:43.127 Targets and it was very reasonable. People don't think, oh, 0:05:43.207 --> 0:05:44.887 how can you stop with Target? You know you're like 0:05:45.007 --> 0:05:46.607 used to work a vote. I'm like, so fucking what. 0:05:47.247 --> 0:05:48.767 That doesn't mean that I can't shop at Target? 0:05:48.967 --> 0:05:49.127 You know? 0:05:49.247 --> 0:05:51.247 Does that mean I can't shop in secondhand clothes? I mean, 0:05:51.287 --> 0:05:54.847 gonna be ridiculous. So I found this high waisted jeans 0:05:54.967 --> 0:06:00.087 very seventy style quite wide for target kind of you know, demographic, 0:06:00.327 --> 0:06:04.127 and it works really well because it just makes me 0:06:04.727 --> 0:06:08.047 look thinner in the middle and makes my leg look longer. 0:06:08.287 --> 0:06:10.647 And by the way, i'm if I've got five and 0:06:10.647 --> 0:06:13.647 it makes me look even taller in photos for some reason. 0:06:14.527 --> 0:06:17.327 So you know, a lot of women are scared if 0:06:17.327 --> 0:06:20.487 they were wearing skinny jeans in their say, twenties and 0:06:20.527 --> 0:06:22.927 thirties and it made them feel good, and that they 0:06:22.927 --> 0:06:23.647 get a bit scared. 0:06:23.647 --> 0:06:24.927 They're like, oh, but if I break. 0:06:24.727 --> 0:06:26.927 Out of that, maybe I'm going to look really big 0:06:26.967 --> 0:06:28.607 and dumpy, or maybe I'm going to look like I'm 0:06:28.647 --> 0:06:30.727 trying to be cool. Do you think it's really crucial 0:06:31.647 --> 0:06:34.327 to not kind of get wedded to these stories we 0:06:34.367 --> 0:06:37.407 tell ourselves, like skinny jeans make me look skinny one 0:06:37.447 --> 0:06:38.127 hundred percent. 0:06:38.287 --> 0:06:40.727 Don't give a fuck what other people think women, I mean, 0:06:40.727 --> 0:06:42.647 how old are we We're we're in our forties, fifties 0:06:42.687 --> 0:06:46.047 and even sixties above. Why do we care about what 0:06:46.087 --> 0:06:47.807 other people think about what we wear? I mean, life's 0:06:47.847 --> 0:06:50.527 too short. Just wear whatever fuck you want, That's what 0:06:50.567 --> 0:06:53.127 I'm saying. I say to all my clients, well, and 0:06:53.167 --> 0:06:55.847 they always say to me, oh, don't you think there's 0:06:55.847 --> 0:06:57.247 a bit too young for me? Don't you think I 0:06:57.287 --> 0:06:59.127 look like you know, I'm trying to be younger. I'm like, 0:06:59.647 --> 0:07:02.607 why do you care what other people think? Honestly, don't 0:07:02.607 --> 0:07:04.887 give a fuck what other people think. Just go with 0:07:04.967 --> 0:07:07.567 your instinct if you feel good. And this is the 0:07:07.647 --> 0:07:10.607 one sentence I teach all my clients who are like, 0:07:10.847 --> 0:07:14.287 especially middle age. When they ask me, do you think 0:07:14.327 --> 0:07:16.887 this is too young for me? I always say to 0:07:16.927 --> 0:07:19.727 them no, because you need to wear what makes you 0:07:19.847 --> 0:07:23.327 happy and fuck what everyone says, and you tell these 0:07:23.367 --> 0:07:28.967 people you'll be wearing that next year. Bitch, I love it. 0:07:29.447 --> 0:07:33.527 So do you think back to my like denim silk shirts? Whatever? 0:07:33.847 --> 0:07:36.527 Do you think if you're not like super confident with fashion, 0:07:36.567 --> 0:07:38.087 but you don't want to be boring, do you think 0:07:38.127 --> 0:07:39.967 it's helpful for grown up. 0:07:39.927 --> 0:07:40.647 Women to like me? 0:07:40.727 --> 0:07:43.767 Then think about it like key pieces I'm gonna build around. 0:07:44.287 --> 0:07:46.807 Oh yeah, definitely. I always say wide leg jeans for 0:07:46.847 --> 0:07:50.087 middle aged women because it makes you look more trendy, 0:07:50.327 --> 0:07:54.207 and also it is so diverse. Don't think skinny jeans 0:07:54.207 --> 0:07:55.967 is gonna be you look skinny. Sometimes I look at 0:07:56.007 --> 0:07:57.647 women because this is what I do on the street. 0:07:57.647 --> 0:07:59.887 When I see women, I always say to them, oh, 0:08:00.127 --> 0:08:02.007 I wish I could tell her that to cut her shoulder, 0:08:02.047 --> 0:08:04.007 and sometimes I do. I'll go up to the woman 0:08:04.087 --> 0:08:05.607 go you look fabulous, but I think you look better 0:08:05.687 --> 0:08:07.407 with shutter hair, and they go, oh my god. 0:08:07.567 --> 0:08:09.647 People. I was going to say, what the people say 0:08:09.647 --> 0:08:10.607 when you do that grace. 0:08:10.767 --> 0:08:14.847 Sometimes they're shocked, and sometimes they find it really helpful 0:08:15.007 --> 0:08:18.207 because that's all they know, whereas I don't know any 0:08:18.247 --> 0:08:20.807 of these people. They're strangers. So when I walk on 0:08:20.807 --> 0:08:22.447 the street, or if I sit on a tram or 0:08:22.447 --> 0:08:26.607 the train, whatever and stuff, I imagine how I would style 0:08:26.647 --> 0:08:29.887 these people. And if I feel like friendly that day, 0:08:30.047 --> 0:08:32.047 or you know, if I had my charity, then I 0:08:32.047 --> 0:08:34.167 feel great. Then I'll go up to people say hey, 0:08:34.647 --> 0:08:36.487 you look great, but I think you look even better 0:08:36.647 --> 0:08:38.687 if you cut your hair to a bob or if 0:08:38.727 --> 0:08:41.487 you wear like white legged jeans, and people are like, 0:08:42.167 --> 0:08:45.287 You'll naturally be like, who's this weirdo? But then once 0:08:45.327 --> 0:08:47.767 we start a conversation, I mean, I'm very good at talking, 0:08:47.807 --> 0:08:49.727 as you can tell, so they we just get into 0:08:49.727 --> 0:08:51.847 this whole conversation and then I'll just give them a 0:08:51.887 --> 0:08:52.727 field tips, and I'm like. 0:08:52.767 --> 0:08:54.807 Seeyah, oh, I would love that as long as no 0:08:54.847 --> 0:08:56.847 one's telling me that I look terrible, but they're telling 0:08:56.887 --> 0:08:58.807 me you look good, but you could look even better. 0:08:58.887 --> 0:09:00.687 That's such a good intro. 0:09:00.887 --> 0:09:03.287 But as we age, I mean, I used to be 0:09:03.287 --> 0:09:04.927 such a bitch when I was. I'm not saying I'm 0:09:04.967 --> 0:09:07.647 not anymore, but I still am. But I choose my 0:09:07.727 --> 0:09:10.727 words carefully now. You know. It's all about compassion. So 0:09:10.807 --> 0:09:12.607 no one likes to be tall. You're not like shit, 0:09:13.287 --> 0:09:14.767 So it's how you say to people. 0:09:15.047 --> 0:09:18.127 Do you think it's helpful like, because sometimes when you're 0:09:18.167 --> 0:09:20.727 getting a bit older, you feel a bit rocky in 0:09:20.767 --> 0:09:22.767 your identity. We talked about that a bit with we're 0:09:22.767 --> 0:09:25.327 talking about menopause last time. Do you think it's helpful 0:09:25.367 --> 0:09:29.167 to have like a story to tell yourself about what. 0:09:29.207 --> 0:09:30.087 Style you want? 0:09:30.207 --> 0:09:30.447 You know? 0:09:30.527 --> 0:09:32.247 Like that we went We had this thing on out 0:09:32.247 --> 0:09:33.727 loud a while ago where we were talking about the 0:09:33.727 --> 0:09:36.167 three word theory and it was something like, chwose three 0:09:36.207 --> 0:09:39.367 words that sum up your style? And I can't even 0:09:39.407 --> 0:09:40.847 remember what mine were, but I think one of them 0:09:40.927 --> 0:09:42.207 was easy. 0:09:43.367 --> 0:09:43.887 French. 0:09:44.047 --> 0:09:46.327 I think I picked up, which me thought was hilarious. 0:09:46.367 --> 0:09:48.567 Because she was like, you're not French. 0:09:51.407 --> 0:09:53.807 One. 0:09:54.247 --> 0:09:56.807 I can't remember what the other relaxed or something, But like, 0:09:57.247 --> 0:09:59.527 do you think it's useful to have like. 0:09:59.527 --> 0:10:02.087 A sort of style story for yourself? 0:10:02.887 --> 0:10:06.567 I wake up every morning depends on my mood obviously, 0:10:06.927 --> 0:10:09.407 you know, because we're going through perimon pause. If I 0:10:09.567 --> 0:10:12.487 had really good night's sleep, I feel a lot more 0:10:12.567 --> 0:10:17.007 energized and a lot more brave and fun that morning. 0:10:18.007 --> 0:10:21.047 I'm a very colorful person, so I like to dress 0:10:21.407 --> 0:10:24.567 in all sorts of colors, even some of the colors 0:10:24.607 --> 0:10:28.647 I don't normally wear, like a bright fusion pink or green. 0:10:29.927 --> 0:10:32.287 So I try to force myself out of my own 0:10:32.287 --> 0:10:37.927 comfort zone. So I would say fun colors and brave 0:10:38.287 --> 0:10:40.567 every day. So that's kind of like my motto, and 0:10:41.247 --> 0:10:43.207 I always tell my clients that you need to break 0:10:43.247 --> 0:10:46.127 out of your comfort zone otherwise you don't even know 0:10:46.207 --> 0:10:47.807 what kind of world is out there in terms of 0:10:47.807 --> 0:10:49.767 like fashion and style. It's the same. It's like if 0:10:49.767 --> 0:10:51.127 you eat fish and chips every day, like you know, 0:10:51.127 --> 0:10:53.367 we both live in the UK. If you eat fish 0:10:53.407 --> 0:10:54.887 and chips all your life, how do you know that 0:10:54.887 --> 0:10:58.007 there's Chinese food, Japanese friends, you know, and it's just 0:10:58.047 --> 0:11:00.407 a whole new world out there, and I think, sorry, 0:11:00.447 --> 0:11:03.167 back to I tend to go of attention back to 0:11:03.207 --> 0:11:05.927 your own question about the key pieces. I honestly feel 0:11:05.967 --> 0:11:08.007 every woman needs to have a pair of a few 0:11:08.047 --> 0:11:12.087 pair of like and style jeans, different colors black, like 0:11:12.167 --> 0:11:17.847 denim black or white, even a pair of really stylish loafersts, 0:11:17.967 --> 0:11:21.287 you know, because I mean I can't. I used to run. 0:11:21.487 --> 0:11:23.087 I could used to be able to run in my 0:11:23.167 --> 0:11:25.287 high heels to catch a bus or weather in London. 0:11:25.487 --> 0:11:27.527 Well that's because you worked at Vogue, mate, Yeah, you 0:11:27.567 --> 0:11:28.567 could run in high heels. 0:11:28.607 --> 0:11:31.127 So I haven't worn high heels for ages since you know, 0:11:31.127 --> 0:11:33.127 living in Perth is very rare I get to wear 0:11:33.127 --> 0:11:35.847 my high heels. So nowadays it's also a trend to 0:11:35.967 --> 0:11:39.127 wear more like flats or trainers or loafers. So really 0:11:39.167 --> 0:11:41.847 invest into a really cool pair of loafers and you 0:11:41.887 --> 0:11:44.727 can wear. And I'm a huge fan of like colorful socks. 0:11:44.887 --> 0:11:48.127 Socks makes a huge difference to a look, So invest 0:11:48.167 --> 0:11:50.287 in a lot of colorful socks, a lot of fun socks. 0:11:50.327 --> 0:11:52.887 I buy all my socks from Japan. They're just so 0:11:53.007 --> 0:11:56.167 much fun. And also, you know, I have loads of jewelry. 0:11:56.247 --> 0:11:58.847 I stack myself with loads of jewery, and multi stacking 0:11:59.007 --> 0:12:02.407 is the thing for me. So sometimes people, I saw 0:12:02.687 --> 0:12:06.847 some of your pictures, you wore like two necklaces. It's great, 0:12:07.007 --> 0:12:09.007 but I would even stack and just still over the 0:12:09.007 --> 0:12:12.287 top because jewelry makes a huge it hance at Haunt. 0:12:12.527 --> 0:12:14.527 I know I'm not very good at accessories. 0:12:14.527 --> 0:12:16.727 I need to get better at accessories, which is every 0:12:16.767 --> 0:12:19.527 single woman need to do. Can I, because you know 0:12:19.847 --> 0:12:22.167 I'm going to be making notes, copious notes, as I'm 0:12:22.167 --> 0:12:23.847 sure our listeners are. Can I push you on the 0:12:23.847 --> 0:12:27.527 loafers a second? I feel like I'm allergic to black shoes. 0:12:27.607 --> 0:12:31.327 I don't like black shoes. Generally speaking, what color are 0:12:31.327 --> 0:12:33.407 my loafers to make the most versatile? 0:12:34.167 --> 0:12:37.007 Black is the most diverse in a way, because if 0:12:37.047 --> 0:12:38.647 you wear why don't you like black shoes? 0:12:39.487 --> 0:12:39.847 I don't know. 0:12:39.887 --> 0:12:42.647 I always feel like I think I've always really because 0:12:42.767 --> 0:12:44.247 you know, I said I'm not good at accessories, but 0:12:44.247 --> 0:12:47.207 I really like shoes, and I often buy colorful shoes 0:12:48.087 --> 0:12:50.887 or brown. But you think that am I missing a 0:12:50.927 --> 0:12:53.087 classic trick on just not going for the If I'm 0:12:53.127 --> 0:12:55.407 going to invest in some loafers, they should just be black. 0:12:55.967 --> 0:12:57.327 You can buy a few pets. I mean, I'm not 0:12:57.327 --> 0:12:59.807 saying that every person needs to buy design yourself. Of 0:12:59.807 --> 0:13:01.607 course they're better made and all that stuff, but there's 0:13:01.687 --> 0:13:03.767 loads of high shipt brands that do really good shoes 0:13:03.807 --> 0:13:07.047 as well, like loafers, which I've seen. And if you 0:13:07.047 --> 0:13:10.087 don't like black, try brown first. I think the darker 0:13:10.127 --> 0:13:12.647 color it is the easier to match with different things. 0:13:12.887 --> 0:13:15.207 But then at the same time, you know, if you're 0:13:15.687 --> 0:13:20.327 feeling adventuress, definitely go for red or white even and 0:13:20.567 --> 0:13:23.647 loafers goes so well with like socks that I always 0:13:23.647 --> 0:13:27.887 wear the Michael Jackson style black loafers with white socks, 0:13:28.847 --> 0:13:32.327 sometimes like poker dot, like transparent socks, sometimes that completely 0:13:32.367 --> 0:13:34.887 like solid white. It just gives you that kind of 0:13:34.927 --> 0:13:37.967 like preppy school girl kind of back to school. I mean, 0:13:38.007 --> 0:13:39.727 who wants to go back to school? No one. But 0:13:39.767 --> 0:13:42.447 at the same time, game, it's just a fun touch 0:13:42.607 --> 0:13:43.207 to an outfit. 0:13:45.087 --> 0:13:47.607 After this shortbreak, Grace gives it to me straight and 0:13:47.647 --> 0:13:49.567 tells me what I've been wearing that needs to go 0:13:49.647 --> 0:13:51.647 to the style graveyard. 0:13:51.407 --> 0:13:52.087 Back in a tick. 0:13:54.047 --> 0:13:56.727 So, having looked at myselfies and you've been generous. What 0:13:56.807 --> 0:13:58.927 should I throw in the bin? What am I wearing 0:13:58.967 --> 0:14:00.047 that does not work for me? 0:14:01.047 --> 0:14:04.047 I hate ugly shoes and I saw a few ugly 0:14:04.047 --> 0:14:05.927 shoes that you have. I'm like, you know what, you 0:14:06.007 --> 0:14:07.567 need to bin those motherfucking shoes. 0:14:07.607 --> 0:14:11.047 Man, like my floggy wooden cloggy ones. 0:14:12.087 --> 0:14:15.687 You have a pair of red shoes, which I love 0:14:15.767 --> 0:14:19.087 the color, but it's just a style. It just looks too. 0:14:19.407 --> 0:14:23.407 It reminds me of like, really like a strep shoe. 0:14:23.647 --> 0:14:24.567 What's that called? That brand? 0:14:24.647 --> 0:14:27.727 Is like my red sandals, like the sort of cage 0:14:27.727 --> 0:14:28.447 sandal ones. 0:14:28.687 --> 0:14:30.647 Oh yeah, those gotta go. Those gotta go. 0:14:30.807 --> 0:14:33.807 Oh yes, no no, oh I like those. 0:14:34.007 --> 0:14:36.167 No, if you want to keep them, then just wear 0:14:36.327 --> 0:14:37.647 fun socks underneath. Please. 0:14:38.607 --> 0:14:40.767 Okay, yes, but that's fine. 0:14:40.767 --> 0:14:42.167 Computer says no, no, no. 0:14:42.007 --> 0:14:47.647 No, computer says no on the sandals. That's fair crops. 0:14:47.727 --> 0:14:48.287 Oh my god. 0:14:48.367 --> 0:14:51.367 Yeah, sorry, it reminds me of like, you know, crops, 0:14:51.847 --> 0:14:54.327 but not in a good way. I'm just not a 0:14:54.327 --> 0:14:56.847 fan of crocs. I mean, anyone older than age five 0:14:56.887 --> 0:14:57.687 shoe were crops? 0:14:59.887 --> 0:15:00.447 Fair enough? 0:15:00.527 --> 0:15:02.367 Okay, So we're getting rid of them. We're getting rid 0:15:02.407 --> 0:15:05.207 of the ugly shoes and going for some loafers. What 0:15:05.287 --> 0:15:07.807 are the common mistakes? And I hate saying mistakes because 0:15:07.847 --> 0:15:11.207 it's like getting dressed is a test, you know. But 0:15:11.927 --> 0:15:14.407 as women get older, what are the common mistakes that 0:15:14.447 --> 0:15:16.327 they make about their clothes? Do you think or the 0:15:16.407 --> 0:15:18.327 women you see that they want to change. 0:15:18.567 --> 0:15:21.367 So my clients will come to me for advice and 0:15:21.407 --> 0:15:23.487 we go, you know, I go to the home to 0:15:23.567 --> 0:15:27.327 redo the wardrobe, edit their clothes, and then we go 0:15:27.367 --> 0:15:31.407 shopping together. Most of them are so safe to the 0:15:31.447 --> 0:15:34.367 point that they think that I'm like too outrageous. I'm like, 0:15:34.407 --> 0:15:38.047 you ain't seen nothing yet. This is like my normal data. 0:15:38.407 --> 0:15:41.847 I think women are too safe, Like we need to 0:15:42.007 --> 0:15:46.047 branch out and explore. I mean, fashion is one of 0:15:46.087 --> 0:15:50.047 the few things you can be adventurous and experimental. And 0:15:50.087 --> 0:15:53.167 there's no right or wrong in fashion. There's only good 0:15:53.167 --> 0:15:57.567 tastes and bad taste. It's important to explore, you know, 0:15:57.767 --> 0:16:00.367 try different things, and it's all try an error, right, 0:16:00.447 --> 0:16:02.247 So what if you wear something that you don't like 0:16:02.287 --> 0:16:03.887 or you look shit in it, you just take it off. 0:16:03.927 --> 0:16:06.967 It's so easy, but you need to try something new. 0:16:07.407 --> 0:16:10.127 I say to my clients all the time. Every time 0:16:10.127 --> 0:16:13.047 you dress, you think of me, what will grace them? 0:16:13.087 --> 0:16:16.567 Do would grace them approve of this look? Or she 0:16:16.687 --> 0:16:19.167 will go come on, you can do better than this, mate, 0:16:19.207 --> 0:16:22.127 you know, So always push yourself every day and the 0:16:22.287 --> 0:16:25.367 minute you go outside to the street the one person. 0:16:25.447 --> 0:16:28.207 Not that we always seek for validation, but it's nice 0:16:28.247 --> 0:16:30.767 to have someone compliment you. Oh, really like your look, 0:16:30.887 --> 0:16:33.087 really like your shoes, really like your hair. It makes 0:16:33.087 --> 0:16:35.607 you feel good, right, and then you practice that and 0:16:35.647 --> 0:16:37.127 you do more and more each day. 0:16:38.007 --> 0:16:38.687 It's interesting. 0:16:38.727 --> 0:16:41.607 But what you said before about this is a space 0:16:41.607 --> 0:16:44.487 where give yourself permission to have fun and experiment, because 0:16:44.527 --> 0:16:47.167 I think that a little bit like food and other things, 0:16:47.527 --> 0:16:50.647 we can be very emotional about clothes in terms of 0:16:51.447 --> 0:16:53.527 I can't have fun with it because it's sort of 0:16:53.967 --> 0:16:56.807 caught up in my self esteem, you know what I mean, Like, oh, 0:16:57.607 --> 0:16:59.807 what if I look like I'm trying to be too young, 0:17:00.007 --> 0:17:02.407 or it doesn't suit my body or whatever, and we 0:17:02.447 --> 0:17:05.527 get very emotional about it. So you're kind of saying, 0:17:06.087 --> 0:17:09.167 give yourself permission to just treat it like fun. 0:17:09.407 --> 0:17:12.207 And also, women get told. We get told since a 0:17:12.247 --> 0:17:14.967 young age, oh you're too fat, you're too this, you know, 0:17:15.007 --> 0:17:17.527 you're not good enough or weave and stuff. It's like, 0:17:17.647 --> 0:17:20.007 fuck them, Who the fuck are you to tell me 0:17:20.367 --> 0:17:22.727 what I should look like and not wear and where 0:17:23.167 --> 0:17:27.127 it's none of your business? And as I said, you'll 0:17:27.167 --> 0:17:28.647 be wearing that next year, bitch. 0:17:30.967 --> 0:17:32.687 All right. I want to touch on colors a little 0:17:32.687 --> 0:17:34.367 bit because we were. 0:17:34.207 --> 0:17:36.687 Briefly obsessed with color theory in the Mama Mir office 0:17:36.767 --> 0:17:39.327 last year and everyone got their colors done. And what 0:17:39.367 --> 0:17:42.167 was funny is I've always been, as you can probably 0:17:42.207 --> 0:17:44.367 tell from what I said to you I was wearing 0:17:44.407 --> 0:17:46.727 and what I'm wearing right now, I love blue like 0:17:46.767 --> 0:17:50.327 I love it right. But when I had my colors done, 0:17:50.367 --> 0:17:53.407 the woman was like, actually, that blue isn't for you. 0:17:53.407 --> 0:17:54.047 You should be. 0:17:53.967 --> 0:17:57.447 Wearing paler colors or whatever. Do you think it's crucial 0:17:57.527 --> 0:18:00.087 to understand what colors work for you or you shouldn't 0:18:00.087 --> 0:18:03.047 restrict yourself and you should just go with what you like. 0:18:03.887 --> 0:18:07.887 Sometimes worth people with their skin color, like I don't 0:18:07.927 --> 0:18:10.607 think I look good in yellow, but I will still 0:18:10.607 --> 0:18:14.207 buy things yellow just because I want myself to get 0:18:14.327 --> 0:18:17.367 used to the color. Then it's easier for me to 0:18:17.447 --> 0:18:21.167 work on my color palette. So let's say, for example, 0:18:21.207 --> 0:18:23.687 my red lips I'm wearing lipstick today, and I've been 0:18:23.687 --> 0:18:26.447 wearing for like probably like twenty years or so. The 0:18:26.487 --> 0:18:28.847 first time I put on this red lipey, I was like, 0:18:28.887 --> 0:18:30.967 oh my god, I look like an Asian hole, you know, 0:18:31.087 --> 0:18:34.247 Like it was just so it was so much, and 0:18:34.327 --> 0:18:36.407 I was like, oh my god, if I stand on 0:18:36.447 --> 0:18:39.127 a street corner, someone's gonna ask me how much. And 0:18:39.207 --> 0:18:43.007 I was like, I shouldn't do that. But then as 0:18:43.007 --> 0:18:45.367 the day goes past, I do it every day every day, 0:18:45.647 --> 0:18:48.167 and now when I don't do a red lipey, I 0:18:48.287 --> 0:18:51.087 kind of feel like I look ill. So it's all 0:18:51.127 --> 0:18:54.887 bu pro perspective. And if you like the color, you're 0:18:54.927 --> 0:18:57.247 going to make it work. It's the same thing. It's 0:18:57.287 --> 0:18:59.367 like you're going to make You know, you're not going 0:18:59.447 --> 0:19:01.367 to make a cake one time and then give up. 0:19:01.407 --> 0:19:03.367 If you don't make it good, right, You're going to 0:19:03.447 --> 0:19:06.047 keep trying and tweak it a bit, and then maybe 0:19:06.127 --> 0:19:08.447 if let's say the blue that your your friends or 0:19:08.447 --> 0:19:10.607 colleagues said that you don't it doesn't suit you, then 0:19:10.607 --> 0:19:13.327 maybe okay, I'm going to try a necklace a blue 0:19:13.327 --> 0:19:16.287 necklace instead, something small I can just take off, right, 0:19:16.647 --> 0:19:19.967 just try. I always say to people try something small 0:19:20.367 --> 0:19:23.727 and just graduate, you know, increase the volume, Increase the 0:19:23.767 --> 0:19:26.807 amount on your body from a necklace to like a 0:19:26.807 --> 0:19:29.887 complete T shirt and then to a whole dress. You know, 0:19:29.967 --> 0:19:32.047 the color that you dislike or you're not used to. 0:19:32.887 --> 0:19:36.527 It's all about getting used to style and fashion in colors. 0:19:36.927 --> 0:19:39.607 Do you think getting your colors done is a good thing? Yeah? 0:19:39.647 --> 0:19:42.327 Why not? I mean, as I said, do whatever makes 0:19:42.367 --> 0:19:46.567 you happy. And also another very important point, especially in 0:19:46.567 --> 0:19:50.727 mid live women, we need to own our looks and 0:19:50.767 --> 0:19:53.887 we need to own it big because if you let's 0:19:53.887 --> 0:19:56.167 say you're at home and you feel so good about 0:19:56.167 --> 0:19:58.327 your outfit and you go out and you walk like 0:19:58.407 --> 0:20:01.567 you know, everyone's like you're really sheepish. Now you're going 0:20:01.647 --> 0:20:03.647 to go out and walk like like you're a million 0:20:03.687 --> 0:20:08.207 dollars because your aura will come off and it will spread. 0:20:08.407 --> 0:20:10.567 It's all about comfort. You need to be confident you 0:20:10.687 --> 0:20:11.367 own your outfit. 0:20:12.127 --> 0:20:13.847 Having looked at the selfies, I said, you were there 0:20:13.887 --> 0:20:15.567 any colors you think I should not be wearing? 0:20:16.847 --> 0:20:19.607 I mean there were so many girlfriends I kind of forgot. 0:20:21.727 --> 0:20:22.407 What I love. 0:20:22.807 --> 0:20:26.767 I love the outfit of was it like a pestel jacket? 0:20:27.727 --> 0:20:28.167 The pink? 0:20:28.327 --> 0:20:32.127 Yes, the pink coat with the was it purple trousers 0:20:32.167 --> 0:20:32.927 or pink trousers? 0:20:33.007 --> 0:20:34.807 Yeah, yeah, like a magenta trouser. 0:20:35.127 --> 0:20:37.927 And then you put a black shirt underneath. Okay, that 0:20:38.007 --> 0:20:40.927 look is good, but the black shirts too safe. You 0:20:40.967 --> 0:20:43.847 should you should work tone on tone, like a very 0:20:43.847 --> 0:20:46.687 similar tone but in different shades, or even like a 0:20:46.727 --> 0:20:49.807 pink color that is the same family, the pestel colored family, 0:20:50.127 --> 0:20:52.687 and then just tweet it. And then you wear like 0:20:52.727 --> 0:20:55.127 do you have ear piers ye, or and then you 0:20:55.207 --> 0:20:59.567 have like like a pestel bright color yellow ear rings 0:20:59.647 --> 0:21:03.487 or like a necklace, loads of bracelets. It just it 0:21:03.607 --> 0:21:06.967 just geled the whole whole thing together. Dial it all up, yes, 0:21:07.047 --> 0:21:11.087 and then like a little fusion pink bag or something, 0:21:11.407 --> 0:21:12.687 you know, just to top of it all, or like 0:21:12.687 --> 0:21:14.847 a very colorful pair of trainers. 0:21:15.407 --> 0:21:15.607 You know. 0:21:15.647 --> 0:21:17.407 That's a good example of what I was talking about before, 0:21:17.447 --> 0:21:19.487 because all my life, I don't really I'm not a 0:21:19.487 --> 0:21:22.207 big fan of pastel pink. But I'm a blonde, and 0:21:22.247 --> 0:21:24.247 I know people say it looks good, but I've never 0:21:24.367 --> 0:21:26.527 liked it. But whenever I wear that coat, and I've 0:21:26.527 --> 0:21:29.207 also got a pair of pink pants, whenever I wear 0:21:29.247 --> 0:21:32.007 those everybody always says, oh, so maybe it's true, Like 0:21:32.167 --> 0:21:35.167 I think I don't like pink, but maybe Pink likes 0:21:35.207 --> 0:21:35.967 me exactly. 0:21:36.447 --> 0:21:38.327 Just try, just try it, and then you know you're 0:21:38.327 --> 0:21:40.447 gonna feel good. People gonna compliment you. It makes you 0:21:40.487 --> 0:21:41.247 feel even better. 0:21:41.727 --> 0:21:41.847 Now. 0:21:41.927 --> 0:21:44.527 The women who come to you and want your help, 0:21:45.007 --> 0:21:47.647 what are they most What do they most commonly want 0:21:47.727 --> 0:21:50.927 help with? Like what's going on with them and their 0:21:50.967 --> 0:21:53.887 fashion and their clothes that they think, right, I really 0:21:53.927 --> 0:21:54.447 need some help? 0:21:54.447 --> 0:21:54.807 Here are they? 0:21:54.887 --> 0:21:57.087 Is it because they're stuck? Is it because they feel 0:21:57.087 --> 0:21:58.207 crappy about themselves? 0:21:58.247 --> 0:21:58.327 Like? 0:21:58.407 --> 0:21:59.887 What do they want your help with? 0:22:00.567 --> 0:22:03.127 So I get a lot of mid like women contacting 0:22:03.127 --> 0:22:07.047 me about the wardrobe and style. Is because the waistline 0:22:07.087 --> 0:22:10.847 have expended and we all have the men belly, so 0:22:11.207 --> 0:22:14.447 nothing fits anymore, So they just have no idea how 0:22:14.487 --> 0:22:16.687 to wear or what to wear. I think for work 0:22:17.447 --> 0:22:19.647 it's a bit easier for them because they go down 0:22:19.687 --> 0:22:23.647 this very very normal way of dressing for work. I 0:22:23.687 --> 0:22:26.447 think it's the casual style that they all get stuck, 0:22:27.167 --> 0:22:30.007 because I'm even sometimes for myself when I go casual, 0:22:30.967 --> 0:22:34.687 I feel a little bit like to to casual, so 0:22:34.967 --> 0:22:37.767 you don't feel silent, but there are ways of doing it. 0:22:37.847 --> 0:22:41.687 I would also recommend in your go to list to 0:22:41.727 --> 0:22:44.447 buy for essential items for the wardrobe. It's a pair 0:22:44.527 --> 0:22:48.887 of really cool tracks of bottoms. I'm not talking about 0:22:48.967 --> 0:22:51.807 Vicki polar style. I'm talking about, like, you know, a 0:22:51.927 --> 0:22:55.247 big baggier. I have a pair of like Adidas Tracts 0:22:55.247 --> 0:22:58.767 of bottom, which I love. Sometimes I actually wear high 0:22:58.807 --> 0:23:01.447 heels and at the bottom of the trousers you can 0:23:01.527 --> 0:23:04.207 unzip the top right up to your calf, so it 0:23:04.287 --> 0:23:07.847 makes the legs look even bigger, like wider, so it's 0:23:07.847 --> 0:23:11.207 not narrow. I think narrow makes you look a bit odd, 0:23:11.487 --> 0:23:13.807 you know, proportion wise, especially for like my height. 0:23:13.727 --> 0:23:14.287 Five o five. 0:23:14.847 --> 0:23:17.087 So when I zip the side at the bottom of 0:23:17.167 --> 0:23:20.127 my pants, it just makes me look cooler. And I 0:23:20.127 --> 0:23:23.927 can wear like really funky trainers, funky socks. Sometimes I 0:23:23.967 --> 0:23:25.927 wear high heels just to like you know, do like 0:23:25.967 --> 0:23:29.927 a Vikie pool up glamorous style. So that's really good tips. 0:23:29.967 --> 0:23:32.567 I think doesnitely invest into like a really cool TRECs 0:23:32.567 --> 0:23:34.767 of bottoms wide legs. 0:23:35.127 --> 0:23:37.647 You're right that casual style is harder as you get older. 0:23:37.727 --> 0:23:38.247 I think it is. 0:23:38.207 --> 0:23:41.127 Because you just and it's interesting what you just said 0:23:41.127 --> 0:23:43.807 about bodies, right, because, as I'm sure you probably see 0:23:43.807 --> 0:23:46.127 from my pictures, but my weight goes up and down 0:23:46.167 --> 0:23:48.847 a bit, and my wardrobe has to stretch and contract 0:23:48.847 --> 0:23:52.727 to deal with that. What's your take on like wardrobe edit? 0:23:52.847 --> 0:23:55.967 You know, should you keep those clothes that? 0:23:56.167 --> 0:23:56.447 You know? 0:23:56.607 --> 0:23:58.727 How some women have a I'm going to get back 0:23:58.767 --> 0:24:01.287 into that part of their wardrobe or they have a 0:24:01.927 --> 0:24:03.247 like they kind of can't decide. 0:24:03.287 --> 0:24:04.527 What's your take on that? 0:24:04.607 --> 0:24:06.367 Do you think we should throw out a lot of 0:24:06.367 --> 0:24:08.007 clothes that make us feel less? 0:24:08.047 --> 0:24:08.207 Then? 0:24:08.327 --> 0:24:10.847 So I'm the worst per to us because I'm Maria 0:24:10.967 --> 0:24:13.007 Kondor like crazy, I'm so. 0:24:13.007 --> 0:24:14.407 Brute you are you don't clutter? 0:24:14.687 --> 0:24:17.407 No, No, I'm not a holder like my home, we 0:24:17.967 --> 0:24:21.047 don't hold, you know? Is that my pet peeve? So 0:24:21.287 --> 0:24:23.927 I am very brutal when it comes to my wardrobe, 0:24:24.087 --> 0:24:28.167 maybe sometimes too brutal. So when social media send me reminders, 0:24:28.167 --> 0:24:30.287 I'm like, why the hell did I give that away? 0:24:30.407 --> 0:24:32.927 Is so cool? You know? But anyway, it's only things. 0:24:33.007 --> 0:24:36.687 Doesn't matter. I would say, if you have a favorite 0:24:36.727 --> 0:24:39.407 piece of sentimental value, then keep it. But at the 0:24:39.487 --> 0:24:41.447 same time, you need to be realistic. And I'm a 0:24:41.527 --> 0:24:44.927 very realistic stylist. So I tell people, if you have 0:24:45.047 --> 0:24:47.807 something for more than two years that you don't touch 0:24:47.927 --> 0:24:52.167 or wear, that's got to go because otherwise it's just 0:24:52.207 --> 0:24:55.207 gonna like clutter. And you know, we need good energy 0:24:55.287 --> 0:24:58.127 even in your wardrobe. So you know what you have 0:24:58.647 --> 0:25:01.967 the problem with people like my sister, my second sister, 0:25:02.007 --> 0:25:05.767 she's a complete holder. She has shoes from like nineteen eighties, 0:25:05.927 --> 0:25:08.287 and so you know, do you remember that brand Burlington 0:25:08.407 --> 0:25:12.007 socks from you? Okay, yes, he has Burlington socks. Back 0:25:12.007 --> 0:25:14.887 in the day when we're all in boarding school, I'm like, 0:25:15.207 --> 0:25:18.167 are you kidding? Like, why would you keep like forty 0:25:18.247 --> 0:25:21.887 year old socks? That's disgusting. Definitely don't hold because it's 0:25:21.887 --> 0:25:27.087 not necessary. And I don't know, I'm a very brutal editor, 0:25:27.167 --> 0:25:29.687 so I definitely don't like to keep things that I 0:25:29.687 --> 0:25:31.647 don't wear because it's just pointless. 0:25:32.367 --> 0:25:33.767 Does it make getting dressed easier? 0:25:33.767 --> 0:25:33.967 Too? 0:25:34.047 --> 0:25:36.287 Like, do you think that you kind of need to 0:25:36.287 --> 0:25:39.487 have a wardrobe of high rotation things and then things. 0:25:39.247 --> 0:25:40.207 That need to go? 0:25:40.327 --> 0:25:42.527 Like do you think that's a key to getting dressed 0:25:42.607 --> 0:25:43.287 easily in the world? 0:25:43.367 --> 0:25:46.367 Now, I think what you need is time. If you 0:25:46.407 --> 0:25:49.207 can spare like twenty minutes every night if you can 0:25:50.087 --> 0:25:51.767 to work out what you're going to wear the next day. 0:25:51.887 --> 0:25:53.967 You know, obviously check the weather report all of that 0:25:54.007 --> 0:25:56.767 and stuff, because I think the problem with people is 0:25:56.807 --> 0:25:59.527 when they're in the rush, they obviously don't have a 0:25:59.527 --> 0:26:01.447 clear mind, and they put on whatever, and then they 0:26:01.487 --> 0:26:02.967 look like shit, and then they feel shit, and then 0:26:02.967 --> 0:26:03.687 the whole day shit. 0:26:04.647 --> 0:26:06.967 Yeah, so I think that sounds familiar. 0:26:07.087 --> 0:26:10.487 Just be very organized and trying to organize your outfit, 0:26:10.687 --> 0:26:12.807 or even just do it on like a Sunday night 0:26:13.247 --> 0:26:14.847 when the kids go to bed, say you know what, 0:26:14.847 --> 0:26:17.367 I'm going to play my whole week outfit. You know, 0:26:17.607 --> 0:26:19.967 just losey. So it's not like a mad rush in 0:26:19.967 --> 0:26:20.367 the morning. 0:26:24.487 --> 0:26:26.847 Friends, when we come back, Grace is going to help 0:26:26.927 --> 0:26:29.647 us decide what we need to add to our wardrobe 0:26:29.687 --> 0:26:33.967 and an affordable accessible and because it's Grace Lamb, no bullshit, way, 0:26:34.287 --> 0:26:35.167 don't go anywhere. 0:26:38.927 --> 0:26:40.167 We've talked about. 0:26:39.887 --> 0:26:41.647 This a little bit in terms of the wide leg 0:26:41.727 --> 0:26:44.167 jeans and the good tracky pants and the loafers. But 0:26:44.967 --> 0:26:47.167 if you're in a bit of a style run, obviously 0:26:47.287 --> 0:26:49.007 you know times are tough. We can't all afford a 0:26:49.047 --> 0:26:51.647 lot of new clothes. But what are the few things 0:26:51.687 --> 0:26:54.447 that will refresh your wardrobe, as in, will help you 0:26:54.567 --> 0:26:57.647 wear things you've already got, Like, what are the key 0:26:57.687 --> 0:26:59.327 pieces that you should do that with. 0:26:59.927 --> 0:27:03.567 So I'm a huge fan of pre loved clothing. I 0:27:03.607 --> 0:27:05.487 mean when I lived in London most of my life 0:27:05.487 --> 0:27:08.087 and in Nottinghill Gate, so I go to Posabola every weekend. 0:27:09.047 --> 0:27:13.447 And being Chinese, we aren't well. My mom's generation and 0:27:13.487 --> 0:27:16.167 my grandmother they are not into second hand clothes. So 0:27:16.247 --> 0:27:17.967 when I used to come back from London to Hong 0:27:18.047 --> 0:27:19.687 Kong to visit them, I would deacktight in all my 0:27:19.727 --> 0:27:22.727 like cool notting Hill outfit, you know, Like I remember 0:27:22.767 --> 0:27:25.207 my twin sisters. No, my big sister's wedding, I wore 0:27:25.247 --> 0:27:29.487 like a really gorgeous pre love dress from New York 0:27:30.207 --> 0:27:31.647 and I said to my mom, oh my god, I 0:27:31.687 --> 0:27:34.087 love this dress. Is pre love a secondhand She was like, 0:27:35.407 --> 0:27:37.887 why would you? Why would you buy that? We're not poor. 0:27:37.967 --> 0:27:39.367 You know you should have told me you need money. 0:27:39.967 --> 0:27:43.367 Some people might die in it. You're wearing dead people's clothes. 0:27:43.407 --> 0:27:44.847 I'm like, oh my god, that kind. 0:27:44.727 --> 0:27:48.327 Of mentality is crazy, right, But nowadays even Chinese people 0:27:48.327 --> 0:27:51.287 have changed, so we're more into like pre love secondhand 0:27:51.287 --> 0:27:55.087 and also for the environment. You can buy your whole 0:27:55.127 --> 0:27:59.007 wardrobe with secondhand shops in an op shop. So when 0:27:59.007 --> 0:28:01.887 I was in Perth, I do like a monthly giveaway 0:28:01.967 --> 0:28:04.367 with Red Cross. So I would go to an op 0:28:04.407 --> 0:28:07.207 shop once a month and then provide like a free 0:28:07.247 --> 0:28:09.767 service for an hour and a half two hours to 0:28:09.847 --> 0:28:12.367 one lucky winner on my Instagram. So I do this 0:28:12.447 --> 0:28:16.447 giveaway and it's amazing how you watch these women because 0:28:16.447 --> 0:28:18.527 they have no idea how to like, I mean, it's 0:28:18.527 --> 0:28:20.047 a lot. I mean, I'm a stylist and I've been 0:28:20.087 --> 0:28:21.887 doing this for like over twenty five years, and it's 0:28:21.927 --> 0:28:24.327 a lot for me to go into that shop because 0:28:24.327 --> 0:28:26.967 it's just so much to take so much stuff. You 0:28:27.047 --> 0:28:29.847 just don't even know where to start, right. But when 0:28:29.887 --> 0:28:32.047 they come with me, they realize and you can see 0:28:32.087 --> 0:28:34.487 their brain and start processing and just like going through 0:28:34.567 --> 0:28:37.207 Oh oh really I can do that. Oh I would 0:28:37.247 --> 0:28:39.847 have never picked that. And throughout the whole an hour 0:28:39.847 --> 0:28:42.127 and a half two hours, I see the changes in 0:28:42.167 --> 0:28:45.047 the way they think. It's the most beautiful thing ever, 0:28:45.607 --> 0:28:48.327 just to watch women click in their own head of 0:28:49.407 --> 0:28:52.167 breaking out of the comfort zone and going to another 0:28:52.207 --> 0:28:54.087 dimension with fashion and dressing. 0:28:54.887 --> 0:28:59.247 And you think with secondhand shops, is that like do 0:28:59.247 --> 0:29:01.127 you think it's good for basics? Do you think it's 0:29:01.167 --> 0:29:03.687 good for dressy things? Like what's your when you go 0:29:03.767 --> 0:29:06.687 into a new like through place that you've never been 0:29:06.767 --> 0:29:08.927 in before, what do you make a b line for? 0:29:09.367 --> 0:29:12.687 Like the men's jackets? Is it the jeans? Like what's 0:29:12.767 --> 0:29:13.767 great knop shops? 0:29:13.887 --> 0:29:17.927 So I bought three massive shirt from a n op 0:29:17.967 --> 0:29:21.047 shop a few months ago in Perth. They're like massive, 0:29:21.087 --> 0:29:24.287 they're like ex men's size shirt and I just wear 0:29:24.407 --> 0:29:27.687 like a dress and just things like that. You know, 0:29:27.727 --> 0:29:29.847 you can tweak it a bit, you know, just because 0:29:29.887 --> 0:29:32.087 it's in the men's section doesn't mean women can't wear it. 0:29:33.607 --> 0:29:37.647 And I think when you go into these shops, first 0:29:37.647 --> 0:29:40.207 thing you need to think of is not get overwhelmed, 0:29:40.447 --> 0:29:43.047 because then you're going to create like a negative energy 0:29:43.127 --> 0:29:45.647 and you're not going to find anything. And also, don't 0:29:45.647 --> 0:29:48.247 bring your children, don't bring your husband or partner. Just 0:29:48.287 --> 0:29:51.527 go by yourself and spend at least two hours because 0:29:51.567 --> 0:29:55.407 it's so much to intake. Start with something that you need. 0:29:55.647 --> 0:29:57.927 So let's say, if you need a dress, go to 0:29:58.007 --> 0:30:01.327 the dress section and just go through it like bit 0:30:01.367 --> 0:30:04.487 by bit. If it gets overwhelmed, go to another session, 0:30:04.727 --> 0:30:06.847 look at something different, and then go back to it. 0:30:07.687 --> 0:30:10.567 With secondhand shopping, you need to patients, and there are loads. 0:30:10.607 --> 0:30:12.927 I mean, I'm in the best city, one of the 0:30:12.967 --> 0:30:15.847 best city in the world to buy secondhand stuff. There 0:30:15.847 --> 0:30:18.007 are lots of op shops. I mean, I know there's 0:30:18.007 --> 0:30:19.767 that Vignia's Red Cross and all that, but there are 0:30:19.807 --> 0:30:22.767 loads of designer shops, secondhand shops that you can go 0:30:22.927 --> 0:30:25.927 in and there's like huge bargains you can buy, like 0:30:26.007 --> 0:30:28.447 a Prada bag or Gucci bag. There might be a 0:30:28.447 --> 0:30:30.647 few seasons off, but who cares, right, So. 0:30:30.607 --> 0:30:32.727 You need to go to the posh suburbs and go 0:30:32.807 --> 0:30:34.527 to the thrift shops in the posh suburbs. 0:30:34.567 --> 0:30:37.487 Yes, that's the true exactly. So I think it's I 0:30:37.527 --> 0:30:43.447 think every woman need a good fun bag, whether it's 0:30:43.447 --> 0:30:46.487 for work or for you know, going out. You need 0:30:46.487 --> 0:30:48.687 a very cool whether it's a designer or just like 0:30:48.687 --> 0:30:51.247 an och shape. We need a fun back because that 0:30:51.287 --> 0:30:54.887 will elevate the whole outfit. And then you also need 0:30:55.087 --> 0:30:57.807 op shop or second hand have the best jewelry because 0:30:57.807 --> 0:31:01.487 they're quite retro and sometimes those you can't find anymore, 0:31:01.567 --> 0:31:04.727 you know, And a lot of designers nowadays they just 0:31:04.847 --> 0:31:06.607 regurg to take the same old design from the sixty 0:31:06.647 --> 0:31:10.527 to seventy eighties. Anyway, So you can definitely decked out 0:31:10.567 --> 0:31:13.447 your whole wardrobe with pre love clothes and it's like 0:31:13.567 --> 0:31:14.607 at least half the price. 0:31:15.487 --> 0:31:18.047 Is there one thing in a woman's wardrobe the women 0:31:18.087 --> 0:31:19.887 you work with that you think can make them look 0:31:19.927 --> 0:31:20.727 in inverted commas? 0:31:20.887 --> 0:31:21.207 Old? 0:31:21.447 --> 0:31:23.367 Or should we retire that way of thinking? 0:31:23.807 --> 0:31:25.887 Floral dresses? 0:31:26.807 --> 0:31:28.607 Yeah, I'm not talking about cool floral. 0:31:28.647 --> 0:31:32.207 I mean there's loads of cool floral pattern but kind 0:31:32.247 --> 0:31:35.287 of like Laura actually kind of floral. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 0:31:35.327 --> 0:31:37.247 we don't do that anymore. We're not in the eighties. 0:31:38.527 --> 0:31:40.287 We don't do that now. 0:31:40.807 --> 0:31:42.767 No. I know you like to throw things away when 0:31:42.767 --> 0:31:45.647 they're not working anymore. But if our body's changing and 0:31:45.687 --> 0:31:48.607 we've got some items that we just love, should we 0:31:48.647 --> 0:31:50.647 be getting them tailored? I know a lot of fashion 0:31:50.727 --> 0:31:53.687 people get things tailored altered. 0:31:54.167 --> 0:31:55.047 Is that what we should be doing? 0:31:55.607 --> 0:31:59.927 Per if you can find good tailor so I think 0:32:00.047 --> 0:32:04.127 genes is quite difficult to alter too bigger or smaller. 0:32:05.487 --> 0:32:08.207 I think because there's so many type of genes that 0:32:08.207 --> 0:32:11.487 you can buy. I mean, say, a pair of jeans 0:32:11.487 --> 0:32:13.367 will fit your thighs and your bump, but it won't 0:32:13.407 --> 0:32:15.727 fit your waist. So it's very hard to kind of 0:32:16.127 --> 0:32:18.927 alter that. So why don't you buy something that's that 0:32:19.047 --> 0:32:22.767 low waisted, so it just said below the belly or 0:32:22.767 --> 0:32:26.607 something right. Trialsers all a little bit easier to alter. 0:32:27.207 --> 0:32:29.087 So I had a pair of a few pair of 0:32:29.127 --> 0:32:31.487 old jeans that I didn't want to throw out. So 0:32:31.567 --> 0:32:33.807 I asked my friend who's very good at sewing, to 0:32:33.887 --> 0:32:36.287 sew it out for me, and so we're combined three 0:32:36.287 --> 0:32:38.047 pair of geese. So I designed this in a certain 0:32:38.127 --> 0:32:40.487 night way, so she just saw it up for me 0:32:40.527 --> 0:32:41.167 and it looks great. 0:32:41.287 --> 0:32:42.447 So I think always. 0:32:42.727 --> 0:32:44.527 I mean, I don't really throw away stuff. I either 0:32:44.567 --> 0:32:47.567 give it to friends, or I just exchange with other people, 0:32:47.927 --> 0:32:50.807 or or I resell it in a pre up shop. 0:32:51.247 --> 0:32:56.647 So it's important to recycle and just exchange clothes to 0:32:56.687 --> 0:32:58.407 your friends with a girlfriends. How fun is that? And 0:32:58.447 --> 0:33:01.087 make it make it a fun party. 0:33:00.767 --> 0:33:01.327 I'm sure. 0:33:01.407 --> 0:33:03.407 So every pair of pants I buy, I have to 0:33:03.407 --> 0:33:05.727 get them taken up. It's it's just a tax on 0:33:05.807 --> 0:33:07.207 being a short person. 0:33:07.047 --> 0:33:09.767 On the trial on the on the length right trousers. 0:33:10.327 --> 0:33:15.607 But however, it is quite cool to have longer pens, 0:33:15.647 --> 0:33:18.047 just so that it covers the trainers for a bit, 0:33:18.087 --> 0:33:19.967 so it's a little bit longer just touching the ground. 0:33:20.567 --> 0:33:22.007 So don't alter to show either. 0:33:23.367 --> 0:33:25.047 Don't cut them up above the shoe. 0:33:24.807 --> 0:33:27.247 No, no, no. And sometimes it's good to have extra 0:33:27.287 --> 0:33:30.047 material at the bottom. So it does look a little 0:33:30.047 --> 0:33:32.247 bit like you've borrow someone's trousers, but it's a cool look. 0:33:32.807 --> 0:33:34.967 Okay, I like that. Yeah, that's good. 0:33:35.927 --> 0:33:39.167 I've literally just bought a pair of red soup pants 0:33:39.207 --> 0:33:41.247 online the other day because I've decided I need to 0:33:41.247 --> 0:33:42.647 break out from my jeans and they. 0:33:42.567 --> 0:33:45.127 Are too long. But I'm like, oh, how much too 0:33:45.207 --> 0:33:45.807 long are they? 0:33:46.647 --> 0:33:48.247 I'll put I'll put them on, and I'll send you 0:33:48.247 --> 0:33:52.087 a picture with some non ugly shoes. Tell me, now, 0:33:52.127 --> 0:33:53.647 I feel like you've done a lot of this in 0:33:53.687 --> 0:33:57.287 this conversation already. But what's a big thing that fashion 0:33:57.407 --> 0:34:01.367 people understand about dressing the ordinary? Mere models like us 0:34:01.367 --> 0:34:03.647 do not. I kind of feel like maybe it's the 0:34:03.767 --> 0:34:06.007 having fun part, right, fashion. 0:34:05.807 --> 0:34:09.207 People, I mean, no disrespect because you know, are you 0:34:09.327 --> 0:34:13.127 to be the same fashion people believe in their own hype. 0:34:13.527 --> 0:34:17.287 I think that's something very different from ordinary people. Like 0:34:17.367 --> 0:34:20.927 fashion people, they have no qualm of dressing weird, going 0:34:20.967 --> 0:34:24.967 all without mishmash, you know, and they are just not afraid. 0:34:25.167 --> 0:34:27.807 Whereas normal people, you know, who's gone nine to five 0:34:27.887 --> 0:34:30.447 job or that office job, they're a lot more conscious 0:34:30.447 --> 0:34:32.767 about what they wear and what people think about them. 0:34:32.807 --> 0:34:35.647 Whereas fashion people, they really don't give a fuck. So 0:34:35.727 --> 0:34:37.567 I think that's that's the attitude that a lot of 0:34:37.567 --> 0:34:40.647 people should take. And I mean even some of the 0:34:40.647 --> 0:34:41.927 fashion people. You know, when I used to go to 0:34:42.007 --> 0:34:43.927 fashion week, I see some people are like what the 0:34:43.927 --> 0:34:47.087 hell are you wearing? But they own it? And that's 0:34:47.087 --> 0:34:50.447 the trick. You have to own it, you know, and 0:34:50.487 --> 0:34:52.247 they're almost like shameless. 0:34:53.607 --> 0:34:56.647 Do you have any tricks for helping yourself own it? 0:34:56.687 --> 0:34:58.167 On one of those days when you look in the 0:34:58.207 --> 0:35:00.287 mirror and you're feeling a bit crappy and a bit 0:35:00.807 --> 0:35:02.647 mid LIFEI and you're I. 0:35:02.567 --> 0:35:05.207 Don't think I can pull this off today? Like are 0:35:05.247 --> 0:35:06.327 we power posing? 0:35:06.847 --> 0:35:10.727 What are we doing? Have you seen tat Lasso? I have? 0:35:10.927 --> 0:35:15.327 So you know, one aftels when Hannah bodingdam warding him. 0:35:15.887 --> 0:35:20.287 She said that she, you know, boosts her self confidence 0:35:20.447 --> 0:35:23.967 or up herself by breathing in loud, breathing in high 0:35:24.007 --> 0:35:26.687 and tall. Everyone has a different mentor or a different 0:35:26.687 --> 0:35:28.447 way of like, you know, upping themselves up. 0:35:28.527 --> 0:35:28.727 Right. 0:35:29.567 --> 0:35:31.927 I have many days when I wake up and I 0:35:31.967 --> 0:35:33.807 feel like I look like shit or I don't feel 0:35:33.847 --> 0:35:36.647 good because I didn't see the night before because of perimenopause. 0:35:38.087 --> 0:35:39.887 I think I just take a moment and just have 0:35:39.967 --> 0:35:44.087 some meat time and before I say any mean things 0:35:44.127 --> 0:35:45.567 to my son or my husband because I'm in a 0:35:45.567 --> 0:35:47.927 bad mood. I always trying to find me time for 0:35:47.967 --> 0:35:49.927 a little bit to myself and just say, you know what, 0:35:50.647 --> 0:35:52.407 today I'm going to set the day. It's going to 0:35:52.407 --> 0:35:54.767 be a good day and just it's all about self 0:35:54.807 --> 0:35:56.887 talking to yourself how you want your day to be. 0:35:57.447 --> 0:36:01.567 Doesn't always work, but I think self self talk is 0:36:01.647 --> 0:36:04.487 very important, especially during midlife. 0:36:05.567 --> 0:36:07.407 Okay, we're going to tread on the toes of the 0:36:07.487 --> 0:36:10.167 Nothing to Wear podcasts, which is the moment podcast that 0:36:10.647 --> 0:36:13.007 you would be aware of by talking about our budget 0:36:13.047 --> 0:36:15.927 and bougie favorites. Now, I want to think about women 0:36:15.967 --> 0:36:17.807 listening to this. We are about to be, and I 0:36:17.847 --> 0:36:21.087 know in Australia it's very different because where you are. 0:36:21.127 --> 0:36:23.127 But we're kind of going into winter right now. A 0:36:23.167 --> 0:36:25.367 lot of fashion people I know love winter. They like 0:36:25.447 --> 0:36:28.447 winter dressing way more than they like summer dressing. I 0:36:28.527 --> 0:36:30.127 find it a bit scary because I'm not very good 0:36:30.127 --> 0:36:33.247 at jackets and coats. But I want you to tell 0:36:33.287 --> 0:36:37.887 me some great bougie so expensive and fancy buys and 0:36:37.927 --> 0:36:40.207 some more budget friendly buys that you think would be 0:36:40.207 --> 0:36:42.487 great for this season for our kind of age women. 0:36:43.447 --> 0:36:47.487 To be honest, I don't really like to wear fashion 0:36:47.567 --> 0:36:52.567 or wear items by what's trendy this season, because most 0:36:52.567 --> 0:36:56.367 of those trends are set for fashion people. Yes, they 0:36:56.527 --> 0:36:59.487 somehow reach to themass when they go to shops like Zara, 0:36:59.567 --> 0:37:02.807 Janam or The or the high street shops. I don't 0:37:02.887 --> 0:37:05.087 like to tell my clients to follow the trend because 0:37:05.127 --> 0:37:08.767 not all the trendsfits everyone. I always say, if you 0:37:09.367 --> 0:37:13.487 like an item, see whether you have it already. So 0:37:13.567 --> 0:37:15.207 I used when I was younger. I used to buy 0:37:15.247 --> 0:37:17.407 the same kind of style all the time, but it's 0:37:17.447 --> 0:37:20.327 just in different colors, true, you know so, and then 0:37:20.367 --> 0:37:22.447 you end up having the same thing you know, sometimes 0:37:22.447 --> 0:37:24.127 I wear something new, my friends are like, don't you 0:37:24.127 --> 0:37:26.167 have that already? I'm like, oh God, I did that again, 0:37:26.207 --> 0:37:28.087 you know, so try not to do that because that's 0:37:28.127 --> 0:37:32.527 just a waste of money. So, whether it's a designer 0:37:32.567 --> 0:37:35.647 bag you want, you know, I do actually feel that 0:37:36.247 --> 0:37:39.687 once in a lifetime for every woman you should have 0:37:39.687 --> 0:37:43.367 a very cool designer bag that you like. I'm not 0:37:43.447 --> 0:37:46.367 promoting designer stuff because they're very expensive, but at the 0:37:46.447 --> 0:37:50.287 same time, because they're so well made, it does kind 0:37:50.287 --> 0:37:53.247 of elevate the whole outfit, even if you feel even 0:37:53.287 --> 0:37:55.887 if you dress out very careful. So let's say, if 0:37:55.967 --> 0:38:00.607 you if you dress like, you know, like a casual, 0:38:00.647 --> 0:38:03.407 attractive bottom kind of look with a pair of heels, 0:38:03.407 --> 0:38:06.687 you know, like a top with a denim jacket, if 0:38:06.727 --> 0:38:09.767 you wear like a very sculptural bag doesn't even have 0:38:09.847 --> 0:38:12.647 to be like from Chanel or anything, like a really sculptured, independent, 0:38:12.687 --> 0:38:15.967 local designer bag, it just makes a whole up more 0:38:16.007 --> 0:38:19.807 interesting and more edgy. I think at our age fifty 0:38:19.887 --> 0:38:23.967 is above, we need to push ourselves to look more 0:38:24.087 --> 0:38:28.807 edgy rather than dowdy. I think that's so important because 0:38:28.807 --> 0:38:33.527 I sometimes I had a client who's recently was an 0:38:33.527 --> 0:38:38.567 accountant and she wasn't very adventurous. So most of my 0:38:39.047 --> 0:38:42.567 starting sessions I spent a lot of time convincing people 0:38:43.367 --> 0:38:44.167 what I can. 0:38:44.047 --> 0:38:47.007 See, I bet you do you can wear this, and 0:38:47.047 --> 0:38:49.687 they're going, I can't wear this, and you're like, just 0:38:49.767 --> 0:38:50.167 wear this. 0:38:50.767 --> 0:38:52.447 And sometimes, you know, when I used to start people 0:38:52.487 --> 0:38:55.127 in Hong Kong, I'm like, you're paying me a lot, 0:38:55.527 --> 0:39:00.007 just fucking listen to me already. Okay, So you know, 0:39:00.927 --> 0:39:06.447 so I think invest in a designer bag, even if 0:39:06.447 --> 0:39:10.447 it's secondhand. You know, it will completely you elevate an 0:39:10.447 --> 0:39:14.727 outfit or an interesting shaped bag that will make a 0:39:14.847 --> 0:39:19.087 huge difference to your outfit. And invest in a good 0:39:19.087 --> 0:39:21.687 coat because you know, like I'm in Melbourne, it apparently 0:39:21.727 --> 0:39:24.887 gets quite cold here. Invest in a really good coat. 0:39:25.647 --> 0:39:28.207 And just like small things like a nice scarf or 0:39:28.247 --> 0:39:30.927 colorful scarf. So if you wear like a black jacket 0:39:31.127 --> 0:39:35.087 or like a gray long coat, you know, wear it 0:39:35.127 --> 0:39:37.047 was something a bit more fun with the colors, you know, 0:39:37.167 --> 0:39:41.647 like I recently bought like a red scarf just because 0:39:41.847 --> 0:39:43.247 you know, I don't even know where I'm old around 0:39:43.247 --> 0:39:44.967 im in between. I just moved to Melbourne, so I'm 0:39:44.967 --> 0:39:47.727 like in between boxes and stuff. Yeah, so stuff like that, 0:39:47.887 --> 0:39:50.767 small things like scarf or gloves doesn't have to be 0:39:50.887 --> 0:39:53.447 very boring color. Just go all out, start with the 0:39:53.447 --> 0:39:56.367 small things with colorful stuff first and go from there. 0:39:56.967 --> 0:39:57.127 Yeah. 0:39:57.207 --> 0:39:59.447 I like that advice about going for color with little 0:39:59.527 --> 0:40:02.047 in a little bases, because not everyone in little doses. 0:40:02.167 --> 0:40:04.887 Not everyone's as brave as me. I understand that, you know, 0:40:05.327 --> 0:40:06.207 but at the same. 0:40:06.007 --> 0:40:09.247 Time, you need to explore. You don't know what you 0:40:09.327 --> 0:40:10.407 missing until you try. 0:40:12.447 --> 0:40:14.647 Finish me off by telling me some style mattress for 0:40:14.687 --> 0:40:15.607 grown up women that work. 0:40:15.687 --> 0:40:18.247 So you said that your three word style was I 0:40:18.287 --> 0:40:21.407 think it was color, brave and fun. Fun. 0:40:21.727 --> 0:40:24.887 Yeah, what kind of things do you tell your your 0:40:24.927 --> 0:40:26.207 clients they should think about? 0:40:26.247 --> 0:40:28.687 What are some good style mattress For those of us who. 0:40:28.567 --> 0:40:31.087 Feel like I like clothes, but I don't feel one 0:40:31.127 --> 0:40:33.527 hundred percent confident about it. I just want to shift. 0:40:33.807 --> 0:40:35.847 I want to elevate myself a bit. I want to 0:40:35.887 --> 0:40:38.727 make myself a bit cooler. That's how I feel. What 0:40:38.807 --> 0:40:39.647 should my mantra be? 0:40:40.527 --> 0:40:43.847 I think find your style icon. It doesn't have to 0:40:43.847 --> 0:40:47.567 be a celebrity. It could be someone you know, or 0:40:47.607 --> 0:40:50.127 it could be like someone who you really you really 0:40:50.167 --> 0:40:52.567 enjoy looking at their style. It doesn't matter what age. 0:40:53.047 --> 0:40:56.167 There are loads of really mature women that I follow 0:40:56.207 --> 0:40:59.807 on Instagram. They are so cool and stylish and they're 0:40:59.847 --> 0:41:02.487 all about for like sixty five or if something even 0:41:02.567 --> 0:41:06.607 like seventy, And when I see them, I'm like, wow, 0:41:06.727 --> 0:41:08.607 that's what I want to look like when I get older. 0:41:08.607 --> 0:41:11.087 And even in my I've only been here two weeks. 0:41:11.247 --> 0:41:13.687 So when I go on the street, I'm starting this 0:41:14.527 --> 0:41:16.407 fashion series that I want to do off Street Star 0:41:16.487 --> 0:41:19.367 in Melbourne. So I started going up to strangers and 0:41:19.407 --> 0:41:20.967 the hey, you know, you look really cool. Can I 0:41:20.967 --> 0:41:22.807 take a picture? Most people think it's fine, you know, 0:41:22.847 --> 0:41:26.127 some people think I'm a freak. So I went up 0:41:26.127 --> 0:41:30.367 to two older ladies who must be above seventy, and 0:41:30.407 --> 0:41:33.327 they look so fabulous and they have one thing in common. 0:41:34.207 --> 0:41:37.327 Is that also another tip for midlife lad women to 0:41:37.487 --> 0:41:39.967 have one of them had really both of them have 0:41:40.087 --> 0:41:44.287 really cool glasses and they're really thick rim And I 0:41:44.327 --> 0:41:47.407 think it's really essential for midlife women to have really 0:41:47.447 --> 0:41:52.047 cool glasses because if you wear something very normal, something 0:41:52.127 --> 0:41:54.287 very casual, if you have like a really sick pair 0:41:54.327 --> 0:41:57.247 of light glasses, they're like colorful or some kind of 0:41:57.247 --> 0:42:00.967 fabulous funky design. It makes a huge difference. And then 0:42:01.647 --> 0:42:03.927 you put on a red lipee, you're good to go. 0:42:05.407 --> 0:42:09.287 So I think older women needs to be braver and 0:42:09.327 --> 0:42:14.167 also experiment with colors. And I love my new mantra 0:42:14.247 --> 0:42:17.527 for Mel Robbins. She teaches how to let them theory. 0:42:17.567 --> 0:42:19.047 I don't know whether you hurt let them let me. 0:42:19.887 --> 0:42:21.687 I actually make these braces. I don't know if you 0:42:21.727 --> 0:42:24.367 can see. I make these brace of myself before I 0:42:24.407 --> 0:42:27.487 left Perth. I bought these like beads from my set 0:42:27.527 --> 0:42:29.927 like a kids shop, and it says let them let me, 0:42:29.967 --> 0:42:33.287 because I want to remind myself when someone pisses me off, 0:42:33.487 --> 0:42:36.407 or someone says something really mean or hurtful, or they 0:42:36.447 --> 0:42:39.407 discredit me, I look at my risk and it reminds me, 0:42:39.487 --> 0:42:43.047 you know what, let them be, what not not to 0:42:43.207 --> 0:42:45.367 curse that word. Sorry, I just I was gonna say, 0:42:45.527 --> 0:42:49.087 just now the sea one, let that be. Let them work, 0:42:49.447 --> 0:42:52.447 but let me choose whether they get to sit at 0:42:52.487 --> 0:42:57.327 my table. So this is something all women, especially perimenopausal 0:42:57.367 --> 0:43:00.727 woman and mid life women should take on board. Let 0:43:00.807 --> 0:43:04.207 them let me, and especially with that fashion and clothes 0:43:04.607 --> 0:43:07.127 let them jush, but let me have fun. 0:43:08.407 --> 0:43:10.127 I have one last question before I let you go. 0:43:10.247 --> 0:43:11.447 Should I be cutting my hair? 0:43:11.567 --> 0:43:14.127 Oh my, it's so weird that you asked me. That's 0:43:14.167 --> 0:43:18.367 the first thing I wrote down when I make notes 0:43:18.367 --> 0:43:20.767 today to tell you to cut your hair. 0:43:21.527 --> 0:43:23.887 But don't you think that I'm scared that then I 0:43:23.927 --> 0:43:26.247 will look really middle aged if I cut my hair. 0:43:26.527 --> 0:43:27.647 How short you're going to cut it? 0:43:28.447 --> 0:43:30.767 I don't know, because like, I've always had lots of hair, 0:43:30.807 --> 0:43:34.407 and I'm like, I don't know, maybe it's mental that 0:43:33.687 --> 0:43:36.407 that feels useful to me to have hair. 0:43:36.687 --> 0:43:38.607 No, how short should I cut it? 0:43:38.807 --> 0:43:41.087 I think if you're not unsure, just do a bit 0:43:41.127 --> 0:43:43.847 by bit. But I was thinking about your hair today 0:43:43.927 --> 0:43:47.167 before we locked on that. I thought it's nice to 0:43:47.247 --> 0:43:50.167 have wavy hair, but sometimes it could be a bit 0:43:50.207 --> 0:43:53.967 too messy and it could be looked too mature. But 0:43:54.007 --> 0:43:56.847 you know what you look good with death straight hair. 0:43:57.007 --> 0:44:00.607 You should get loads of hair iron and straighten it 0:44:01.047 --> 0:44:03.207 just to see how it looks. And I think it 0:44:03.207 --> 0:44:06.367 will make a huge difference because that you can just 0:44:06.367 --> 0:44:08.767 go back to, like, you know, wavy and stuff afterwards. Right, 0:44:09.087 --> 0:44:11.247 just get like hair iron and irons like you know 0:44:11.327 --> 0:44:14.407 kind of my kind of like texture, and I think 0:44:14.407 --> 0:44:17.047 you look so much cooler. So then if you like 0:44:17.127 --> 0:44:19.887 that straight hair look, then you cut it to like 0:44:19.927 --> 0:44:23.087 a really straight lazy cup Bob fierce. 0:44:25.087 --> 0:44:28.167 Okay, let's see if I'm brave enough to follow Graces 0:44:28.167 --> 0:44:29.247 and fun you can't do it. 0:44:31.167 --> 0:44:32.367 Thank you so much, Grace. 0:44:32.407 --> 0:44:35.487 You've been amazingly helpful as always, and I know there'll 0:44:35.527 --> 0:44:37.367 be loads of tips there for all of our listeners. 0:44:37.647 --> 0:44:39.207 Is there anything you want to leave them with or 0:44:39.247 --> 0:44:41.007 do you feel like you've imparted your widow? 0:44:41.127 --> 0:44:43.167 Anyone who wants to get my starting tips you know 0:44:43.287 --> 0:44:46.127 dm me on Greysome Style. I would love to help. 0:44:46.247 --> 0:44:48.927 And then if you're in Melbourne, you know, get my 0:44:49.047 --> 0:44:51.247 starting service. I can go shopping with you, and there's 0:44:51.327 --> 0:44:53.847 so many choices in Melbourne is amazing. 0:44:54.007 --> 0:44:56.207 It would be so fun to go shopping with you. 0:44:56.327 --> 0:44:58.407 I'm gonna put we'll put obviously all the links to 0:44:58.447 --> 0:45:00.647 that in our show notes, because I think there'll be 0:45:00.727 --> 0:45:02.167 some women who are like, oh my god, I need 0:45:02.167 --> 0:45:03.607 Grace to tell you, shut up. 0:45:03.607 --> 0:45:05.527 I'm wearing exactly where try it. 0:45:07.287 --> 0:45:08.567 That means a boring bitch. 0:45:10.127 --> 0:45:13.207 Don't be such a boring bitch, that's our style mantra 0:45:13.287 --> 0:45:16.047 for today friends, exactly what a that mantra? 0:45:22.087 --> 0:45:23.207 Well, I've been told. 0:45:23.567 --> 0:45:26.727 I hope this conversation about clothes was helpful and funny 0:45:26.767 --> 0:45:29.727 and encouraged you like me to be a bit more 0:45:29.767 --> 0:45:33.287 grace and just whar in her words, whatever the fuck 0:45:33.487 --> 0:45:36.207 you like. If you love Grace and I do, go 0:45:36.287 --> 0:45:39.247 listen to her epp about hormones and perry and menopause. 0:45:39.327 --> 0:45:40.367 It's fantastic. 0:45:40.687 --> 0:45:42.367 And if you want to find out more about her 0:45:42.367 --> 0:45:45.047 stylist business, there's a link in the show notes. And 0:45:45.087 --> 0:45:47.407 if you haven't listened to the conversation I had with 0:45:47.607 --> 0:45:52.807 Lee Campbell about beauty treatments, tweakments, makeup and skincare, which 0:45:52.887 --> 0:45:55.967 had a similar don't give a fuck energy, please scroll 0:45:56.047 --> 0:45:59.127 back and do just that. A massive thanks to our 0:45:59.207 --> 0:46:02.847 mid team. The executive producer is Nama Brown, the senior 0:46:02.887 --> 0:46:06.807 producer is Grace Ruvray, the producer is Tarlie Blackman, and 0:46:06.847 --> 0:46:10.927 we've also had audio production from Jacob And to you, 0:46:11.287 --> 0:46:14.487 my mid friends, for being here for listening. Please tell 0:46:14.527 --> 0:46:16.407 a friend about our show. If you love it, give 0:46:16.487 --> 0:46:18.527 us a rating and a review. It means the world, 0:46:18.607 --> 0:46:21.407 It really does. And I'll see you next week.