Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
Speaker 2: Mamma Mere acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. Skinny jeans are out,
Speaker 2: but all maybe they're in again. Heels are too try hard,
Speaker 2: but trainers, well, they have to be right. Ballet shoes
Speaker 2: are back, but twiddle at ankles only.
Speaker 3: Please. Socks.
Speaker 2: You've got to wear socks, but those are too long,
Speaker 2: and those are too short. That color isn't your season.
Speaker 2: Those earrings are too big, No, sorry, too small? Big
Speaker 2: colorful glasses. Let you wear black, but you don't want
Speaker 2: to look like one of those women in big colorful glasses.
Speaker 2: What's next a chunky necklace? I'm mid wardrobe confusion. I
Speaker 2: want to look like me, but also not like me,
Speaker 2: because me likes the same things I liked when I
Speaker 2: was twenty one. I'm thirty one and forty one jeans
Speaker 2: and frocks and everything blue and apparently dressing like you
Speaker 2: with breaking fashion laws in several states and certainly in
Speaker 2: the Big Book of fashion rules we all internalized as teens.
Speaker 2: Don't show too much flesh, but don't be a nun.
Speaker 2: Lengthen your legs, whittle your waist trick the eye into
Speaker 2: what a twenty year delusion, perhaps where what I wear
Speaker 2: makes me feel great and confident, capable and strong, sexy,
Speaker 2: perhaps comfy, cool French not falling into a trap of comfy,
Speaker 2: cozy midlife dressing that only adds to the whole invisible
Speaker 2: woman effect that comes with.
Speaker 3: The last zero birthday.
Speaker 2: Find me a look please that makes me not double
Speaker 2: take when I pass a shop window.
Speaker 3: Wait, that's me now?
Speaker 2: Is it too much to ask?
Speaker 3: Hello?
Speaker 2: I'm Holly Wainwright and I am mid midlife, mid family,
Speaker 2: mid fashion crisis. Welcome to our new episode, which could
Speaker 2: be called What to Wear when You're not a fetus?
Speaker 2: Grown up clothes, grown up attitude, grown up advice. When
Speaker 2: I decided it was time for a fashion overhaul, you know,
Speaker 2: a grown up one, I knew exactly who to call
Speaker 2: for a gentle roasting and some new bullshit advice. Grace Lamb.
Speaker 2: You might remember Grace because she's our first ever repeat
Speaker 2: guest on mid The fashion stylist who was a former
Speaker 2: senior fashion editor at Vogue China for a decade, was
Speaker 2: on Mid season two talking about hormones. Because as well
Speaker 2: as being a style guru, she's an incredible advocate for
Speaker 2: women going through perry and menopause, and if you heard
Speaker 2: that episode, you know Grace is sweary, forthright and funny
Speaker 2: as hell. Grace has recently moved from Perth to Melbourne
Speaker 2: to continue her bespoke styling and shopping consultancy, and so
Speaker 2: I thought it might be the perfect moment to call
Speaker 2: her up for some no bullshit advice for me, for you,
Speaker 2: for all of us about grown up style shopping and
Speaker 2: spending and definitely definitely not dressing your age. Before we spoke,
Speaker 2: I sent Grace a whole folder full of mirror selfies
Speaker 2: I'd taken over a long period of time of me
Speaker 2: wearing clothes, and as you'll hear, her feedback was real.
Speaker 2: Enjoy this conversation with the exceptionally stylish Grace Lamb about clothes, fashion,
Speaker 2: fun and not giving an f about what.
Speaker 3: You should wear.
Speaker 2: Grace Lamb, before we sat down for this conversation, now
Speaker 2: and middle listeners know you from our wonderful conversation about
Speaker 2: menopause last year. But after I spoke to you, I
Speaker 2: was like, if there's one woman who's going to tell
Speaker 2: it to me straight about clothes, style, fashion in this
Speaker 2: point of my life.
Speaker 3: It's grace.
Speaker 2: I sent you a whole folder of pictures of me,
Speaker 2: like just things I normally wear to work, a couple
Speaker 2: of things i'd wear around the house. I think one
Speaker 2: or two, like going out outfits. Be honest, critique my style.
Speaker 1: I mean to be honest. They weren't as bad as
Speaker 1: I imagined. You told me.
Speaker 2: We don't know.
Speaker 3: Yah, it's a compliment or not.
Speaker 1: You told me to be brutal. I'm going to tell
Speaker 1: it how it is. Some of the style, the mix
Speaker 1: and match are really good, but I think you just
Speaker 1: need to tweak it a little bit.
Speaker 2: Great because I think we'll, obviously said the listeners, No,
Speaker 2: we'll put some of these pictures up on our socials
Speaker 2: so we can see. But also a lot of our
Speaker 2: lists probably have seen me on socials and stuff. There
Speaker 2: are a few things I rely on all the time,
Speaker 2: right jeans, wide legged jeans, silk shirts, things like that.
Speaker 2: I think that they make me look grown up and
Speaker 2: a little bit cool.
Speaker 3: Am I right? Am?
Speaker 2: I wrong?
Speaker 1: One hundred percent? But I think you can go even
Speaker 1: wider on your jeans. So I used to be a
Speaker 1: very skinny jeans girl, because I've got quite sim legs,
Speaker 1: and I think last year, or at least the past
Speaker 1: few months, I started wearing more baggy jeans and it
Speaker 1: changed the whole game. And I implement it on my
Speaker 1: well with all my clients in per because I just
Speaker 1: moved from Perth to Melbourne and it's a game. So
Speaker 1: I saw on your picture your jeans are are pretty white,
Speaker 1: wider than like a skinny jeans, but it needs to
Speaker 1: be even wider on the legs or even some of it.
Speaker 1: You can. You can buy a few pair, like I
Speaker 1: think jeans you can have different colors, different style for
Speaker 1: different locations. So I have a pair because living in Perth,
Speaker 1: there's not many choices to go shopping. So I was
Speaker 1: looking for like a high wasted white jeans, like a
Speaker 1: lighter blue color. Of all places, I found it in
Speaker 1: Targets and it was very reasonable. People don't think, oh,
Speaker 1: how can you stop with Target? You know you're like
Speaker 1: used to work a vote. I'm like, so fucking what.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that I can't shop at Target?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: Does that mean I can't shop in secondhand clothes? I mean,
Speaker 1: gonna be ridiculous. So I found this high waisted jeans
Speaker 1: very seventy style quite wide for target kind of you know, demographic,
Speaker 1: and it works really well because it just makes me
Speaker 1: look thinner in the middle and makes my leg look longer.
Speaker 1: And by the way, i'm if I've got five and
Speaker 1: it makes me look even taller in photos for some reason.
Speaker 2: So you know, a lot of women are scared if
Speaker 2: they were wearing skinny jeans in their say, twenties and
Speaker 2: thirties and it made them feel good, and that they
Speaker 2: get a bit scared.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, but if I break.
Speaker 2: Out of that, maybe I'm going to look really big
Speaker 2: and dumpy, or maybe I'm going to look like I'm
Speaker 2: trying to be cool. Do you think it's really crucial
Speaker 2: to not kind of get wedded to these stories we
Speaker 2: tell ourselves, like skinny jeans make me look skinny one
Speaker 2: hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Don't give a fuck what other people think women, I mean,
Speaker 1: how old are we We're we're in our forties, fifties
Speaker 1: and even sixties above. Why do we care about what
Speaker 1: other people think about what we wear? I mean, life's
Speaker 1: too short. Just wear whatever fuck you want, That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I say to all my clients, well, and
Speaker 1: they always say to me, oh, don't you think there's
Speaker 1: a bit too young for me? Don't you think I
Speaker 1: look like you know, I'm trying to be younger. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why do you care what other people think? Honestly, don't
Speaker 1: give a fuck what other people think. Just go with
Speaker 1: your instinct if you feel good. And this is the
Speaker 1: one sentence I teach all my clients who are like,
Speaker 1: especially middle age. When they ask me, do you think
Speaker 1: this is too young for me? I always say to
Speaker 1: them no, because you need to wear what makes you
Speaker 1: happy and fuck what everyone says, and you tell these
Speaker 1: people you'll be wearing that next year. Bitch, I love it.
Speaker 3: So do you think back to my like denim silk shirts? Whatever?
Speaker 2: Do you think if you're not like super confident with fashion,
Speaker 2: but you don't want to be boring, do you think
Speaker 2: it's helpful for grown up.
Speaker 3: Women to like me?
Speaker 2: Then think about it like key pieces I'm gonna build around.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, definitely. I always say wide leg jeans for
Speaker 1: middle aged women because it makes you look more trendy,
Speaker 1: and also it is so diverse. Don't think skinny jeans
Speaker 1: is gonna be you look skinny. Sometimes I look at
Speaker 1: women because this is what I do on the street.
Speaker 1: When I see women, I always say to them, oh,
Speaker 1: I wish I could tell her that to cut her shoulder,
Speaker 1: and sometimes I do. I'll go up to the woman
Speaker 1: go you look fabulous, but I think you look better
Speaker 1: with shutter hair, and they go, oh my god.
Speaker 3: People. I was going to say, what the people say
Speaker 3: when you do that grace.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they're shocked, and sometimes they find it really helpful
Speaker 1: because that's all they know, whereas I don't know any
Speaker 1: of these people. They're strangers. So when I walk on
Speaker 1: the street, or if I sit on a tram or
Speaker 1: the train, whatever and stuff, I imagine how I would style
Speaker 1: these people. And if I feel like friendly that day,
Speaker 1: or you know, if I had my charity, then I
Speaker 1: feel great. Then I'll go up to people say hey,
Speaker 1: you look great, but I think you look even better
Speaker 1: if you cut your hair to a bob or if
Speaker 1: you wear like white legged jeans, and people are like,
Speaker 1: You'll naturally be like, who's this weirdo? But then once
Speaker 1: we start a conversation, I mean, I'm very good at talking,
Speaker 1: as you can tell, so they we just get into
Speaker 1: this whole conversation and then I'll just give them a
Speaker 1: field tips, and I'm like.
Speaker 2: Seeyah, oh, I would love that as long as no
Speaker 2: one's telling me that I look terrible, but they're telling
Speaker 2: me you look good, but you could look even better.
Speaker 3: That's such a good intro.
Speaker 1: But as we age, I mean, I used to be
Speaker 1: such a bitch when I was. I'm not saying I'm
Speaker 1: not anymore, but I still am. But I choose my
Speaker 1: words carefully now. You know. It's all about compassion. So
Speaker 1: no one likes to be tall. You're not like shit,
Speaker 1: So it's how you say to people.
Speaker 2: Do you think it's helpful like, because sometimes when you're
Speaker 2: getting a bit older, you feel a bit rocky in
Speaker 2: your identity. We talked about that a bit with we're
Speaker 2: talking about menopause last time. Do you think it's helpful
Speaker 2: to have like a story to tell yourself about what.
Speaker 3: Style you want?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Like that we went We had this thing on out
Speaker 2: loud a while ago where we were talking about the
Speaker 2: three word theory and it was something like, chwose three
Speaker 2: words that sum up your style? And I can't even
Speaker 2: remember what mine were, but I think one of them
Speaker 2: was easy.
Speaker 3: French.
Speaker 2: I think I picked up, which me thought was hilarious.
Speaker 2: Because she was like, you're not French.
Speaker 1: One.
Speaker 2: I can't remember what the other relaxed or something, But like,
Speaker 2: do you think it's useful to have like.
Speaker 3: A sort of style story for yourself?
Speaker 1: I wake up every morning depends on my mood obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, because we're going through perimon pause. If I
Speaker 1: had really good night's sleep, I feel a lot more
Speaker 1: energized and a lot more brave and fun that morning.
Speaker 1: I'm a very colorful person, so I like to dress
Speaker 1: in all sorts of colors, even some of the colors
Speaker 1: I don't normally wear, like a bright fusion pink or green.
Speaker 1: So I try to force myself out of my own
Speaker 1: comfort zone. So I would say fun colors and brave
Speaker 1: every day. So that's kind of like my motto, and
Speaker 1: I always tell my clients that you need to break
Speaker 1: out of your comfort zone otherwise you don't even know
Speaker 1: what kind of world is out there in terms of
Speaker 1: like fashion and style. It's the same. It's like if
Speaker 1: you eat fish and chips every day, like you know,
Speaker 1: we both live in the UK. If you eat fish
Speaker 1: and chips all your life, how do you know that
Speaker 1: there's Chinese food, Japanese friends, you know, and it's just
Speaker 1: a whole new world out there, and I think, sorry,
Speaker 1: back to I tend to go of attention back to
Speaker 1: your own question about the key pieces. I honestly feel
Speaker 1: every woman needs to have a pair of a few
Speaker 1: pair of like and style jeans, different colors black, like
Speaker 1: denim black or white, even a pair of really stylish loafersts,
Speaker 1: you know, because I mean I can't. I used to run.
Speaker 1: I could used to be able to run in my
Speaker 1: high heels to catch a bus or weather in London.
Speaker 2: Well that's because you worked at Vogue, mate, Yeah, you
Speaker 2: could run in high heels.
Speaker 1: So I haven't worn high heels for ages since you know,
Speaker 1: living in Perth is very rare I get to wear
Speaker 1: my high heels. So nowadays it's also a trend to
Speaker 1: wear more like flats or trainers or loafers. So really
Speaker 1: invest into a really cool pair of loafers and you
Speaker 1: can wear. And I'm a huge fan of like colorful socks.
Speaker 1: Socks makes a huge difference to a look, So invest
Speaker 1: in a lot of colorful socks, a lot of fun socks.
Speaker 1: I buy all my socks from Japan. They're just so
Speaker 1: much fun. And also, you know, I have loads of jewelry.
Speaker 1: I stack myself with loads of jewery, and multi stacking
Speaker 1: is the thing for me. So sometimes people, I saw
Speaker 1: some of your pictures, you wore like two necklaces. It's great,
Speaker 1: but I would even stack and just still over the
Speaker 1: top because jewelry makes a huge it hance at Haunt.
Speaker 3: I know I'm not very good at accessories.
Speaker 2: I need to get better at accessories, which is every
Speaker 2: single woman need to do. Can I, because you know
Speaker 2: I'm going to be making notes, copious notes, as I'm
Speaker 2: sure our listeners are. Can I push you on the
Speaker 2: loafers a second? I feel like I'm allergic to black shoes.
Speaker 2: I don't like black shoes. Generally speaking, what color are
Speaker 2: my loafers to make the most versatile?
Speaker 1: Black is the most diverse in a way, because if
Speaker 1: you wear why don't you like black shoes?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I always feel like I think I've always really because
Speaker 2: you know, I said I'm not good at accessories, but
Speaker 2: I really like shoes, and I often buy colorful shoes
Speaker 2: or brown. But you think that am I missing a
Speaker 2: classic trick on just not going for the If I'm
Speaker 2: going to invest in some loafers, they should just be black.
Speaker 1: You can buy a few pets. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that every person needs to buy design yourself. Of
Speaker 1: course they're better made and all that stuff, but there's
Speaker 1: loads of high shipt brands that do really good shoes
Speaker 1: as well, like loafers, which I've seen. And if you
Speaker 1: don't like black, try brown first. I think the darker
Speaker 1: color it is the easier to match with different things.
Speaker 1: But then at the same time, you know, if you're
Speaker 1: feeling adventuress, definitely go for red or white even and
Speaker 1: loafers goes so well with like socks that I always
Speaker 1: wear the Michael Jackson style black loafers with white socks,
Speaker 1: sometimes like poker dot, like transparent socks, sometimes that completely
Speaker 1: like solid white. It just gives you that kind of
Speaker 1: like preppy school girl kind of back to school. I mean,
Speaker 1: who wants to go back to school? No one. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, game, it's just a fun touch
Speaker 1: to an outfit.
Speaker 2: After this shortbreak, Grace gives it to me straight and
Speaker 2: tells me what I've been wearing that needs to go
Speaker 2: to the style graveyard.
Speaker 3: Back in a tick.
Speaker 2: So, having looked at myselfies and you've been generous. What
Speaker 2: should I throw in the bin? What am I wearing
Speaker 2: that does not work for me?
Speaker 1: I hate ugly shoes and I saw a few ugly
Speaker 1: shoes that you have. I'm like, you know what, you
Speaker 1: need to bin those motherfucking shoes.
Speaker 3: Man, like my floggy wooden cloggy ones.
Speaker 1: You have a pair of red shoes, which I love
Speaker 1: the color, but it's just a style. It just looks too.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of like, really like a strep shoe.
Speaker 1: What's that called? That brand?
Speaker 2: Is like my red sandals, like the sort of cage
Speaker 2: sandal ones.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, those gotta go. Those gotta go.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, no no, oh I like those.
Speaker 1: No, if you want to keep them, then just wear
Speaker 1: fun socks underneath. Please.
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, but that's fine.
Speaker 1: Computer says no, no, no.
Speaker 3: No, computer says no on the sandals. That's fair crops.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, it reminds me of like, you know, crops,
Speaker 1: but not in a good way. I'm just not a
Speaker 1: fan of crocs. I mean, anyone older than age five
Speaker 1: shoe were crops?
Speaker 3: Fair enough?
Speaker 2: Okay, So we're getting rid of them. We're getting rid
Speaker 2: of the ugly shoes and going for some loafers. What
Speaker 2: are the common mistakes? And I hate saying mistakes because
Speaker 2: it's like getting dressed is a test, you know. But
Speaker 2: as women get older, what are the common mistakes that
Speaker 2: they make about their clothes? Do you think or the
Speaker 2: women you see that they want to change.
Speaker 1: So my clients will come to me for advice and
Speaker 1: we go, you know, I go to the home to
Speaker 1: redo the wardrobe, edit their clothes, and then we go
Speaker 1: shopping together. Most of them are so safe to the
Speaker 1: point that they think that I'm like too outrageous. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you ain't seen nothing yet. This is like my normal data.
Speaker 1: I think women are too safe, Like we need to
Speaker 1: branch out and explore. I mean, fashion is one of
Speaker 1: the few things you can be adventurous and experimental. And
Speaker 1: there's no right or wrong in fashion. There's only good
Speaker 1: tastes and bad taste. It's important to explore, you know,
Speaker 1: try different things, and it's all try an error, right,
Speaker 1: So what if you wear something that you don't like
Speaker 1: or you look shit in it, you just take it off.
Speaker 1: It's so easy, but you need to try something new.
Speaker 1: I say to my clients all the time. Every time
Speaker 1: you dress, you think of me, what will grace them?
Speaker 1: Do would grace them approve of this look? Or she
Speaker 1: will go come on, you can do better than this, mate,
Speaker 1: you know, So always push yourself every day and the
Speaker 1: minute you go outside to the street the one person.
Speaker 1: Not that we always seek for validation, but it's nice
Speaker 1: to have someone compliment you. Oh, really like your look,
Speaker 1: really like your shoes, really like your hair. It makes
Speaker 1: you feel good, right, and then you practice that and
Speaker 1: you do more and more each day.
Speaker 3: It's interesting.
Speaker 2: But what you said before about this is a space
Speaker 2: where give yourself permission to have fun and experiment, because
Speaker 2: I think that a little bit like food and other things,
Speaker 2: we can be very emotional about clothes in terms of
Speaker 2: I can't have fun with it because it's sort of
Speaker 2: caught up in my self esteem, you know what I mean, Like, oh,
Speaker 2: what if I look like I'm trying to be too young,
Speaker 2: or it doesn't suit my body or whatever, and we
Speaker 2: get very emotional about it. So you're kind of saying,
Speaker 2: give yourself permission to just treat it like fun.
Speaker 1: And also, women get told. We get told since a
Speaker 1: young age, oh you're too fat, you're too this, you know,
Speaker 1: you're not good enough or weave and stuff. It's like,
Speaker 1: fuck them, Who the fuck are you to tell me
Speaker 1: what I should look like and not wear and where
Speaker 1: it's none of your business? And as I said, you'll
Speaker 1: be wearing that next year, bitch.
Speaker 3: All right. I want to touch on colors a little
Speaker 3: bit because we were.
Speaker 2: Briefly obsessed with color theory in the Mama Mir office
Speaker 2: last year and everyone got their colors done. And what
Speaker 2: was funny is I've always been, as you can probably
Speaker 2: tell from what I said to you I was wearing
Speaker 2: and what I'm wearing right now, I love blue like
Speaker 2: I love it right. But when I had my colors done,
Speaker 2: the woman was like, actually, that blue isn't for you.
Speaker 3: You should be.
Speaker 2: Wearing paler colors or whatever. Do you think it's crucial
Speaker 2: to understand what colors work for you or you shouldn't
Speaker 2: restrict yourself and you should just go with what you like.
Speaker 1: Sometimes worth people with their skin color, like I don't
Speaker 1: think I look good in yellow, but I will still
Speaker 1: buy things yellow just because I want myself to get
Speaker 1: used to the color. Then it's easier for me to
Speaker 1: work on my color palette. So let's say, for example,
Speaker 1: my red lips I'm wearing lipstick today, and I've been
Speaker 1: wearing for like probably like twenty years or so. The
Speaker 1: first time I put on this red lipey, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I look like an Asian hole, you know,
Speaker 1: Like it was just so it was so much, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, if I stand on
Speaker 1: a street corner, someone's gonna ask me how much. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I shouldn't do that. But then as
Speaker 1: the day goes past, I do it every day every day,
Speaker 1: and now when I don't do a red lipey, I
Speaker 1: kind of feel like I look ill. So it's all
Speaker 1: bu pro perspective. And if you like the color, you're
Speaker 1: going to make it work. It's the same thing. It's
Speaker 1: like you're going to make You know, you're not going
Speaker 1: to make a cake one time and then give up.
Speaker 1: If you don't make it good, right, You're going to
Speaker 1: keep trying and tweak it a bit, and then maybe
Speaker 1: if let's say the blue that your your friends or
Speaker 1: colleagues said that you don't it doesn't suit you, then
Speaker 1: maybe okay, I'm going to try a necklace a blue
Speaker 1: necklace instead, something small I can just take off, right,
Speaker 1: just try. I always say to people try something small
Speaker 1: and just graduate, you know, increase the volume, Increase the
Speaker 1: amount on your body from a necklace to like a
Speaker 1: complete T shirt and then to a whole dress. You know,
Speaker 1: the color that you dislike or you're not used to.
Speaker 1: It's all about getting used to style and fashion in colors.
Speaker 3: Do you think getting your colors done is a good thing? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why not? I mean, as I said, do whatever makes
Speaker 1: you happy. And also another very important point, especially in
Speaker 1: mid live women, we need to own our looks and
Speaker 1: we need to own it big because if you let's
Speaker 1: say you're at home and you feel so good about
Speaker 1: your outfit and you go out and you walk like
Speaker 1: you know, everyone's like you're really sheepish. Now you're going
Speaker 1: to go out and walk like like you're a million
Speaker 1: dollars because your aura will come off and it will spread.
Speaker 1: It's all about comfort. You need to be confident you
Speaker 1: own your outfit.
Speaker 2: Having looked at the selfies, I said, you were there
Speaker 2: any colors you think I should not be wearing?
Speaker 1: I mean there were so many girlfriends I kind of forgot.
Speaker 3: What I love.
Speaker 1: I love the outfit of was it like a pestel jacket?
Speaker 3: The pink?
Speaker 1: Yes, the pink coat with the was it purple trousers
Speaker 1: or pink trousers?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like a magenta trouser.
Speaker 1: And then you put a black shirt underneath. Okay, that
Speaker 1: look is good, but the black shirts too safe. You
Speaker 1: should you should work tone on tone, like a very
Speaker 1: similar tone but in different shades, or even like a
Speaker 1: pink color that is the same family, the pestel colored family,
Speaker 1: and then just tweet it. And then you wear like
Speaker 1: do you have ear piers ye, or and then you
Speaker 1: have like like a pestel bright color yellow ear rings
Speaker 1: or like a necklace, loads of bracelets. It just it
Speaker 1: just geled the whole whole thing together. Dial it all up, yes,
Speaker 1: and then like a little fusion pink bag or something,
Speaker 1: you know, just to top of it all, or like
Speaker 1: a very colorful pair of trainers.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: That's a good example of what I was talking about before,
Speaker 2: because all my life, I don't really I'm not a
Speaker 2: big fan of pastel pink. But I'm a blonde, and
Speaker 2: I know people say it looks good, but I've never
Speaker 2: liked it. But whenever I wear that coat, and I've
Speaker 2: also got a pair of pink pants, whenever I wear
Speaker 2: those everybody always says, oh, so maybe it's true, Like
Speaker 2: I think I don't like pink, but maybe Pink likes
Speaker 2: me exactly.
Speaker 1: Just try, just try it, and then you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna feel good. People gonna compliment you. It makes you
Speaker 1: feel even better.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: The women who come to you and want your help,
Speaker 2: what are they most What do they most commonly want
Speaker 2: help with? Like what's going on with them and their
Speaker 2: fashion and their clothes that they think, right, I really
Speaker 2: need some help?
Speaker 3: Here are they?
Speaker 2: Is it because they're stuck? Is it because they feel
Speaker 2: crappy about themselves?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: What do they want your help with?
Speaker 1: So I get a lot of mid like women contacting
Speaker 1: me about the wardrobe and style. Is because the waistline
Speaker 1: have expended and we all have the men belly, so
Speaker 1: nothing fits anymore, So they just have no idea how
Speaker 1: to wear or what to wear. I think for work
Speaker 1: it's a bit easier for them because they go down
Speaker 1: this very very normal way of dressing for work. I
Speaker 1: think it's the casual style that they all get stuck,
Speaker 1: because I'm even sometimes for myself when I go casual,
Speaker 1: I feel a little bit like to to casual, so
Speaker 1: you don't feel silent, but there are ways of doing it.
Speaker 1: I would also recommend in your go to list to
Speaker 1: buy for essential items for the wardrobe. It's a pair
Speaker 1: of really cool tracks of bottoms. I'm not talking about
Speaker 1: Vicki polar style. I'm talking about, like, you know, a
Speaker 1: big baggier. I have a pair of like Adidas Tracts
Speaker 1: of bottom, which I love. Sometimes I actually wear high
Speaker 1: heels and at the bottom of the trousers you can
Speaker 1: unzip the top right up to your calf, so it
Speaker 1: makes the legs look even bigger, like wider, so it's
Speaker 1: not narrow. I think narrow makes you look a bit odd,
Speaker 1: you know, proportion wise, especially for like my height.
Speaker 3: Five o five.
Speaker 1: So when I zip the side at the bottom of
Speaker 1: my pants, it just makes me look cooler. And I
Speaker 1: can wear like really funky trainers, funky socks. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: wear high heels just to like you know, do like
Speaker 1: a Vikie pool up glamorous style. So that's really good tips.
Speaker 1: I think doesnitely invest into like a really cool TRECs
Speaker 1: of bottoms wide legs.
Speaker 3: You're right that casual style is harder as you get older.
Speaker 1: I think it is.
Speaker 2: Because you just and it's interesting what you just said
Speaker 2: about bodies, right, because, as I'm sure you probably see
Speaker 2: from my pictures, but my weight goes up and down
Speaker 2: a bit, and my wardrobe has to stretch and contract
Speaker 2: to deal with that. What's your take on like wardrobe edit?
Speaker 2: You know, should you keep those clothes that?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: How some women have a I'm going to get back
Speaker 2: into that part of their wardrobe or they have a
Speaker 2: like they kind of can't decide.
Speaker 3: What's your take on that?
Speaker 2: Do you think we should throw out a lot of
Speaker 2: clothes that make us feel less?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 1: So I'm the worst per to us because I'm Maria
Speaker 1: Kondor like crazy, I'm so.
Speaker 3: Brute you are you don't clutter?
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm not a holder like my home, we
Speaker 1: don't hold, you know? Is that my pet peeve? So
Speaker 1: I am very brutal when it comes to my wardrobe,
Speaker 1: maybe sometimes too brutal. So when social media send me reminders,
Speaker 1: I'm like, why the hell did I give that away?
Speaker 1: Is so cool? You know? But anyway, it's only things.
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter. I would say, if you have a favorite
Speaker 1: piece of sentimental value, then keep it. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, you need to be realistic. And I'm a
Speaker 1: very realistic stylist. So I tell people, if you have
Speaker 1: something for more than two years that you don't touch
Speaker 1: or wear, that's got to go because otherwise it's just
Speaker 1: gonna like clutter. And you know, we need good energy
Speaker 1: even in your wardrobe. So you know what you have
Speaker 1: the problem with people like my sister, my second sister,
Speaker 1: she's a complete holder. She has shoes from like nineteen eighties,
Speaker 1: and so you know, do you remember that brand Burlington
Speaker 1: socks from you? Okay, yes, he has Burlington socks. Back
Speaker 1: in the day when we're all in boarding school, I'm like,
Speaker 1: are you kidding? Like, why would you keep like forty
Speaker 1: year old socks? That's disgusting. Definitely don't hold because it's
Speaker 1: not necessary. And I don't know, I'm a very brutal editor,
Speaker 1: so I definitely don't like to keep things that I
Speaker 1: don't wear because it's just pointless.
Speaker 3: Does it make getting dressed easier?
Speaker 1: Too?
Speaker 2: Like, do you think that you kind of need to
Speaker 2: have a wardrobe of high rotation things and then things.
Speaker 3: That need to go?
Speaker 2: Like do you think that's a key to getting dressed
Speaker 2: easily in the world?
Speaker 1: Now, I think what you need is time. If you
Speaker 1: can spare like twenty minutes every night if you can
Speaker 1: to work out what you're going to wear the next day.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously check the weather report all of that
Speaker 1: and stuff, because I think the problem with people is
Speaker 1: when they're in the rush, they obviously don't have a
Speaker 1: clear mind, and they put on whatever, and then they
Speaker 1: look like shit, and then they feel shit, and then
Speaker 1: the whole day shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think that sounds familiar.
Speaker 1: Just be very organized and trying to organize your outfit,
Speaker 1: or even just do it on like a Sunday night
Speaker 1: when the kids go to bed, say you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm going to play my whole week outfit. You know,
Speaker 1: just losey. So it's not like a mad rush in
Speaker 1: the morning.
Speaker 2: Friends, when we come back, Grace is going to help
Speaker 2: us decide what we need to add to our wardrobe
Speaker 2: and an affordable accessible and because it's Grace Lamb, no bullshit, way,
Speaker 2: don't go anywhere.
Speaker 3: We've talked about.
Speaker 2: This a little bit in terms of the wide leg
Speaker 2: jeans and the good tracky pants and the loafers. But
Speaker 2: if you're in a bit of a style run, obviously
Speaker 2: you know times are tough. We can't all afford a
Speaker 2: lot of new clothes. But what are the few things
Speaker 2: that will refresh your wardrobe, as in, will help you
Speaker 2: wear things you've already got, Like, what are the key
Speaker 2: pieces that you should do that with.
Speaker 1: So I'm a huge fan of pre loved clothing. I
Speaker 1: mean when I lived in London most of my life
Speaker 1: and in Nottinghill Gate, so I go to Posabola every weekend.
Speaker 1: And being Chinese, we aren't well. My mom's generation and
Speaker 1: my grandmother they are not into second hand clothes. So
Speaker 1: when I used to come back from London to Hong
Speaker 1: Kong to visit them, I would deacktight in all my
Speaker 1: like cool notting Hill outfit, you know, Like I remember
Speaker 1: my twin sisters. No, my big sister's wedding, I wore
Speaker 1: like a really gorgeous pre love dress from New York
Speaker 1: and I said to my mom, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: love this dress. Is pre love a secondhand She was like,
Speaker 1: why would you? Why would you buy that? We're not poor.
Speaker 1: You know you should have told me you need money.
Speaker 1: Some people might die in it. You're wearing dead people's clothes.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, that kind.
Speaker 1: Of mentality is crazy, right, But nowadays even Chinese people
Speaker 1: have changed, so we're more into like pre love secondhand
Speaker 1: and also for the environment. You can buy your whole
Speaker 1: wardrobe with secondhand shops in an op shop. So when
Speaker 1: I was in Perth, I do like a monthly giveaway
Speaker 1: with Red Cross. So I would go to an op
Speaker 1: shop once a month and then provide like a free
Speaker 1: service for an hour and a half two hours to
Speaker 1: one lucky winner on my Instagram. So I do this
Speaker 1: giveaway and it's amazing how you watch these women because
Speaker 1: they have no idea how to like, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, I'm a stylist and I've been
Speaker 1: doing this for like over twenty five years, and it's
Speaker 1: a lot for me to go into that shop because
Speaker 1: it's just so much to take so much stuff. You
Speaker 1: just don't even know where to start, right. But when
Speaker 1: they come with me, they realize and you can see
Speaker 1: their brain and start processing and just like going through
Speaker 1: Oh oh really I can do that. Oh I would
Speaker 1: have never picked that. And throughout the whole an hour
Speaker 1: and a half two hours, I see the changes in
Speaker 1: the way they think. It's the most beautiful thing ever,
Speaker 1: just to watch women click in their own head of
Speaker 1: breaking out of the comfort zone and going to another
Speaker 1: dimension with fashion and dressing.
Speaker 2: And you think with secondhand shops, is that like do
Speaker 2: you think it's good for basics? Do you think it's
Speaker 2: good for dressy things? Like what's your when you go
Speaker 2: into a new like through place that you've never been
Speaker 2: in before, what do you make a b line for?
Speaker 2: Like the men's jackets? Is it the jeans? Like what's
Speaker 2: great knop shops?
Speaker 1: So I bought three massive shirt from a n op
Speaker 1: shop a few months ago in Perth. They're like massive,
Speaker 1: they're like ex men's size shirt and I just wear
Speaker 1: like a dress and just things like that. You know,
Speaker 1: you can tweak it a bit, you know, just because
Speaker 1: it's in the men's section doesn't mean women can't wear it.
Speaker 1: And I think when you go into these shops, first
Speaker 1: thing you need to think of is not get overwhelmed,
Speaker 1: because then you're going to create like a negative energy
Speaker 1: and you're not going to find anything. And also, don't
Speaker 1: bring your children, don't bring your husband or partner. Just
Speaker 1: go by yourself and spend at least two hours because
Speaker 1: it's so much to intake. Start with something that you need.
Speaker 1: So let's say, if you need a dress, go to
Speaker 1: the dress section and just go through it like bit
Speaker 1: by bit. If it gets overwhelmed, go to another session,
Speaker 1: look at something different, and then go back to it.
Speaker 1: With secondhand shopping, you need to patients, and there are loads.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm in the best city, one of the
Speaker 1: best city in the world to buy secondhand stuff. There
Speaker 1: are lots of op shops. I mean, I know there's
Speaker 1: that Vignia's Red Cross and all that, but there are
Speaker 1: loads of designer shops, secondhand shops that you can go
Speaker 1: in and there's like huge bargains you can buy, like
Speaker 1: a Prada bag or Gucci bag. There might be a
Speaker 1: few seasons off, but who cares, right, So.
Speaker 2: You need to go to the posh suburbs and go
Speaker 2: to the thrift shops in the posh suburbs.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the true exactly. So I think it's I
Speaker 1: think every woman need a good fun bag, whether it's
Speaker 1: for work or for you know, going out. You need
Speaker 1: a very cool whether it's a designer or just like
Speaker 1: an och shape. We need a fun back because that
Speaker 1: will elevate the whole outfit. And then you also need
Speaker 1: op shop or second hand have the best jewelry because
Speaker 1: they're quite retro and sometimes those you can't find anymore,
Speaker 1: you know, And a lot of designers nowadays they just
Speaker 1: regurg to take the same old design from the sixty
Speaker 1: to seventy eighties. Anyway, So you can definitely decked out
Speaker 1: your whole wardrobe with pre love clothes and it's like
Speaker 1: at least half the price.
Speaker 2: Is there one thing in a woman's wardrobe the women
Speaker 2: you work with that you think can make them look
Speaker 2: in inverted commas?
Speaker 1: Old?
Speaker 3: Or should we retire that way of thinking?
Speaker 1: Floral dresses?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not talking about cool floral.
Speaker 1: I mean there's loads of cool floral pattern but kind
Speaker 1: of like Laura actually kind of floral. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we don't do that anymore. We're not in the eighties.
Speaker 3: We don't do that now.
Speaker 2: No. I know you like to throw things away when
Speaker 2: they're not working anymore. But if our body's changing and
Speaker 2: we've got some items that we just love, should we
Speaker 2: be getting them tailored? I know a lot of fashion
Speaker 2: people get things tailored altered.
Speaker 3: Is that what we should be doing?
Speaker 1: Per if you can find good tailor so I think
Speaker 1: genes is quite difficult to alter too bigger or smaller.
Speaker 1: I think because there's so many type of genes that
Speaker 1: you can buy. I mean, say, a pair of jeans
Speaker 1: will fit your thighs and your bump, but it won't
Speaker 1: fit your waist. So it's very hard to kind of
Speaker 1: alter that. So why don't you buy something that's that
Speaker 1: low waisted, so it just said below the belly or
Speaker 1: something right. Trialsers all a little bit easier to alter.
Speaker 1: So I had a pair of a few pair of
Speaker 1: old jeans that I didn't want to throw out. So
Speaker 1: I asked my friend who's very good at sewing, to
Speaker 1: sew it out for me, and so we're combined three
Speaker 1: pair of geese. So I designed this in a certain
Speaker 1: night way, so she just saw it up for me
Speaker 1: and it looks great.
Speaker 3: So I think always.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't really throw away stuff. I either
Speaker 1: give it to friends, or I just exchange with other people,
Speaker 1: or or I resell it in a pre up shop.
Speaker 1: So it's important to recycle and just exchange clothes to
Speaker 1: your friends with a girlfriends. How fun is that? And
Speaker 1: make it make it a fun party.
Speaker 3: I'm sure.
Speaker 2: So every pair of pants I buy, I have to
Speaker 2: get them taken up. It's it's just a tax on
Speaker 2: being a short person.
Speaker 1: On the trial on the on the length right trousers.
Speaker 1: But however, it is quite cool to have longer pens,
Speaker 1: just so that it covers the trainers for a bit,
Speaker 1: so it's a little bit longer just touching the ground.
Speaker 1: So don't alter to show either.
Speaker 3: Don't cut them up above the shoe.
Speaker 1: No, no, no. And sometimes it's good to have extra
Speaker 1: material at the bottom. So it does look a little
Speaker 1: bit like you've borrow someone's trousers, but it's a cool look.
Speaker 3: Okay, I like that. Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 2: I've literally just bought a pair of red soup pants
Speaker 2: online the other day because I've decided I need to
Speaker 2: break out from my jeans and they.
Speaker 3: Are too long. But I'm like, oh, how much too
Speaker 3: long are they?
Speaker 2: I'll put I'll put them on, and I'll send you
Speaker 2: a picture with some non ugly shoes. Tell me, now,
Speaker 2: I feel like you've done a lot of this in
Speaker 2: this conversation already. But what's a big thing that fashion
Speaker 2: people understand about dressing the ordinary? Mere models like us
Speaker 2: do not. I kind of feel like maybe it's the
Speaker 2: having fun part, right, fashion.
Speaker 1: People, I mean, no disrespect because you know, are you
Speaker 1: to be the same fashion people believe in their own hype.
Speaker 1: I think that's something very different from ordinary people. Like
Speaker 1: fashion people, they have no qualm of dressing weird, going
Speaker 1: all without mishmash, you know, and they are just not afraid.
Speaker 1: Whereas normal people, you know, who's gone nine to five
Speaker 1: job or that office job, they're a lot more conscious
Speaker 1: about what they wear and what people think about them.
Speaker 1: Whereas fashion people, they really don't give a fuck. So
Speaker 1: I think that's that's the attitude that a lot of
Speaker 1: people should take. And I mean even some of the
Speaker 1: fashion people. You know, when I used to go to
Speaker 1: fashion week, I see some people are like what the
Speaker 1: hell are you wearing? But they own it? And that's
Speaker 1: the trick. You have to own it, you know, and
Speaker 1: they're almost like shameless.
Speaker 2: Do you have any tricks for helping yourself own it?
Speaker 2: On one of those days when you look in the
Speaker 2: mirror and you're feeling a bit crappy and a bit
Speaker 2: mid LIFEI and you're I.
Speaker 3: Don't think I can pull this off today? Like are
Speaker 3: we power posing?
Speaker 1: What are we doing? Have you seen tat Lasso? I have?
Speaker 1: So you know, one aftels when Hannah bodingdam warding him.
Speaker 1: She said that she, you know, boosts her self confidence
Speaker 1: or up herself by breathing in loud, breathing in high
Speaker 1: and tall. Everyone has a different mentor or a different
Speaker 1: way of like, you know, upping themselves up.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I have many days when I wake up and I
Speaker 1: feel like I look like shit or I don't feel
Speaker 1: good because I didn't see the night before because of perimenopause.
Speaker 1: I think I just take a moment and just have
Speaker 1: some meat time and before I say any mean things
Speaker 1: to my son or my husband because I'm in a
Speaker 1: bad mood. I always trying to find me time for
Speaker 1: a little bit to myself and just say, you know what,
Speaker 1: today I'm going to set the day. It's going to
Speaker 1: be a good day and just it's all about self
Speaker 1: talking to yourself how you want your day to be.
Speaker 1: Doesn't always work, but I think self self talk is
Speaker 1: very important, especially during midlife.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to tread on the toes of the
Speaker 2: Nothing to Wear podcasts, which is the moment podcast that
Speaker 2: you would be aware of by talking about our budget
Speaker 2: and bougie favorites. Now, I want to think about women
Speaker 2: listening to this. We are about to be, and I
Speaker 2: know in Australia it's very different because where you are.
Speaker 2: But we're kind of going into winter right now. A
Speaker 2: lot of fashion people I know love winter. They like
Speaker 2: winter dressing way more than they like summer dressing. I
Speaker 2: find it a bit scary because I'm not very good
Speaker 2: at jackets and coats. But I want you to tell
Speaker 2: me some great bougie so expensive and fancy buys and
Speaker 2: some more budget friendly buys that you think would be
Speaker 2: great for this season for our kind of age women.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I don't really like to wear fashion
Speaker 1: or wear items by what's trendy this season, because most
Speaker 1: of those trends are set for fashion people. Yes, they
Speaker 1: somehow reach to themass when they go to shops like Zara,
Speaker 1: Janam or The or the high street shops. I don't
Speaker 1: like to tell my clients to follow the trend because
Speaker 1: not all the trendsfits everyone. I always say, if you
Speaker 1: like an item, see whether you have it already. So
Speaker 1: I used when I was younger. I used to buy
Speaker 1: the same kind of style all the time, but it's
Speaker 1: just in different colors, true, you know so, and then
Speaker 1: you end up having the same thing you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: I wear something new, my friends are like, don't you
Speaker 1: have that already? I'm like, oh God, I did that again,
Speaker 1: you know, so try not to do that because that's
Speaker 1: just a waste of money. So, whether it's a designer
Speaker 1: bag you want, you know, I do actually feel that
Speaker 1: once in a lifetime for every woman you should have
Speaker 1: a very cool designer bag that you like. I'm not
Speaker 1: promoting designer stuff because they're very expensive, but at the
Speaker 1: same time, because they're so well made, it does kind
Speaker 1: of elevate the whole outfit, even if you feel even
Speaker 1: if you dress out very careful. So let's say, if
Speaker 1: you if you dress like, you know, like a casual,
Speaker 1: attractive bottom kind of look with a pair of heels,
Speaker 1: you know, like a top with a denim jacket, if
Speaker 1: you wear like a very sculptural bag doesn't even have
Speaker 1: to be like from Chanel or anything, like a really sculptured, independent,
Speaker 1: local designer bag, it just makes a whole up more
Speaker 1: interesting and more edgy. I think at our age fifty
Speaker 1: is above, we need to push ourselves to look more
Speaker 1: edgy rather than dowdy. I think that's so important because
Speaker 1: I sometimes I had a client who's recently was an
Speaker 1: accountant and she wasn't very adventurous. So most of my
Speaker 1: starting sessions I spent a lot of time convincing people
Speaker 1: what I can.
Speaker 2: See, I bet you do you can wear this, and
Speaker 2: they're going, I can't wear this, and you're like, just
Speaker 2: wear this.
Speaker 1: And sometimes, you know, when I used to start people
Speaker 1: in Hong Kong, I'm like, you're paying me a lot,
Speaker 1: just fucking listen to me already. Okay, So you know,
Speaker 1: so I think invest in a designer bag, even if
Speaker 1: it's secondhand. You know, it will completely you elevate an
Speaker 1: outfit or an interesting shaped bag that will make a
Speaker 1: huge difference to your outfit. And invest in a good
Speaker 1: coat because you know, like I'm in Melbourne, it apparently
Speaker 1: gets quite cold here. Invest in a really good coat.
Speaker 1: And just like small things like a nice scarf or
Speaker 1: colorful scarf. So if you wear like a black jacket
Speaker 1: or like a gray long coat, you know, wear it
Speaker 1: was something a bit more fun with the colors, you know,
Speaker 1: like I recently bought like a red scarf just because
Speaker 1: you know, I don't even know where I'm old around
Speaker 1: im in between. I just moved to Melbourne, so I'm
Speaker 1: like in between boxes and stuff. Yeah, so stuff like that,
Speaker 1: small things like scarf or gloves doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: very boring color. Just go all out, start with the
Speaker 1: small things with colorful stuff first and go from there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like that advice about going for color with little
Speaker 2: in a little bases, because not everyone in little doses.
Speaker 2: Not everyone's as brave as me. I understand that, you know,
Speaker 2: but at the same.
Speaker 1: Time, you need to explore. You don't know what you
Speaker 1: missing until you try.
Speaker 2: Finish me off by telling me some style mattress for
Speaker 2: grown up women that work.
Speaker 3: So you said that your three word style was I
Speaker 3: think it was color, brave and fun. Fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what kind of things do you tell your your
Speaker 2: clients they should think about?
Speaker 3: What are some good style mattress For those of us who.
Speaker 2: Feel like I like clothes, but I don't feel one
Speaker 2: hundred percent confident about it. I just want to shift.
Speaker 2: I want to elevate myself a bit. I want to
Speaker 2: make myself a bit cooler. That's how I feel. What
Speaker 2: should my mantra be?
Speaker 1: I think find your style icon. It doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be a celebrity. It could be someone you know, or
Speaker 1: it could be like someone who you really you really
Speaker 1: enjoy looking at their style. It doesn't matter what age.
Speaker 1: There are loads of really mature women that I follow
Speaker 1: on Instagram. They are so cool and stylish and they're
Speaker 1: all about for like sixty five or if something even
Speaker 1: like seventy, And when I see them, I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's what I want to look like when I get older.
Speaker 1: And even in my I've only been here two weeks.
Speaker 1: So when I go on the street, I'm starting this
Speaker 1: fashion series that I want to do off Street Star
Speaker 1: in Melbourne. So I started going up to strangers and
Speaker 1: the hey, you know, you look really cool. Can I
Speaker 1: take a picture? Most people think it's fine, you know,
Speaker 1: some people think I'm a freak. So I went up
Speaker 1: to two older ladies who must be above seventy, and
Speaker 1: they look so fabulous and they have one thing in common.
Speaker 1: Is that also another tip for midlife lad women to
Speaker 1: have one of them had really both of them have
Speaker 1: really cool glasses and they're really thick rim And I
Speaker 1: think it's really essential for midlife women to have really
Speaker 1: cool glasses because if you wear something very normal, something
Speaker 1: very casual, if you have like a really sick pair
Speaker 1: of light glasses, they're like colorful or some kind of
Speaker 1: fabulous funky design. It makes a huge difference. And then
Speaker 1: you put on a red lipee, you're good to go.
Speaker 1: So I think older women needs to be braver and
Speaker 1: also experiment with colors. And I love my new mantra
Speaker 1: for Mel Robbins. She teaches how to let them theory.
Speaker 1: I don't know whether you hurt let them let me.
Speaker 1: I actually make these braces. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: can see. I make these brace of myself before I
Speaker 1: left Perth. I bought these like beads from my set
Speaker 1: like a kids shop, and it says let them let me,
Speaker 1: because I want to remind myself when someone pisses me off,
Speaker 1: or someone says something really mean or hurtful, or they
Speaker 1: discredit me, I look at my risk and it reminds me,
Speaker 1: you know what, let them be, what not not to
Speaker 1: curse that word. Sorry, I just I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: just now the sea one, let that be. Let them work,
Speaker 1: but let me choose whether they get to sit at
Speaker 1: my table. So this is something all women, especially perimenopausal
Speaker 1: woman and mid life women should take on board. Let
Speaker 1: them let me, and especially with that fashion and clothes
Speaker 1: let them jush, but let me have fun.
Speaker 3: I have one last question before I let you go.
Speaker 3: Should I be cutting my hair?
Speaker 1: Oh my, it's so weird that you asked me. That's
Speaker 1: the first thing I wrote down when I make notes
Speaker 1: today to tell you to cut your hair.
Speaker 2: But don't you think that I'm scared that then I
Speaker 2: will look really middle aged if I cut my hair.
Speaker 1: How short you're going to cut it?
Speaker 2: I don't know, because like, I've always had lots of hair,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I don't know, maybe it's mental that
Speaker 2: that feels useful to me to have hair.
Speaker 3: No, how short should I cut it?
Speaker 1: I think if you're not unsure, just do a bit
Speaker 1: by bit. But I was thinking about your hair today
Speaker 1: before we locked on that. I thought it's nice to
Speaker 1: have wavy hair, but sometimes it could be a bit
Speaker 1: too messy and it could be looked too mature. But
Speaker 1: you know what you look good with death straight hair.
Speaker 1: You should get loads of hair iron and straighten it
Speaker 1: just to see how it looks. And I think it
Speaker 1: will make a huge difference because that you can just
Speaker 1: go back to, like, you know, wavy and stuff afterwards. Right,
Speaker 1: just get like hair iron and irons like you know
Speaker 1: kind of my kind of like texture, and I think
Speaker 1: you look so much cooler. So then if you like
Speaker 1: that straight hair look, then you cut it to like
Speaker 1: a really straight lazy cup Bob fierce.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's see if I'm brave enough to follow Graces
Speaker 2: and fun you can't do it.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Grace.
Speaker 2: You've been amazingly helpful as always, and I know there'll
Speaker 2: be loads of tips there for all of our listeners.
Speaker 2: Is there anything you want to leave them with or
Speaker 2: do you feel like you've imparted your widow?
Speaker 1: Anyone who wants to get my starting tips you know
Speaker 1: dm me on Greysome Style. I would love to help.
Speaker 1: And then if you're in Melbourne, you know, get my
Speaker 1: starting service. I can go shopping with you, and there's
Speaker 1: so many choices in Melbourne is amazing.
Speaker 2: It would be so fun to go shopping with you.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put we'll put obviously all the links to
Speaker 2: that in our show notes, because I think there'll be
Speaker 2: some women who are like, oh my god, I need
Speaker 2: Grace to tell you, shut up.
Speaker 3: I'm wearing exactly where try it.
Speaker 1: That means a boring bitch.
Speaker 2: Don't be such a boring bitch, that's our style mantra
Speaker 2: for today friends, exactly what a that mantra?
Speaker 3: Well, I've been told.
Speaker 2: I hope this conversation about clothes was helpful and funny
Speaker 2: and encouraged you like me to be a bit more
Speaker 2: grace and just whar in her words, whatever the fuck
Speaker 2: you like. If you love Grace and I do, go
Speaker 2: listen to her epp about hormones and perry and menopause.
Speaker 3: It's fantastic.
Speaker 2: And if you want to find out more about her
Speaker 2: stylist business, there's a link in the show notes. And
Speaker 2: if you haven't listened to the conversation I had with
Speaker 2: Lee Campbell about beauty treatments, tweakments, makeup and skincare, which
Speaker 2: had a similar don't give a fuck energy, please scroll
Speaker 2: back and do just that. A massive thanks to our
Speaker 2: mid team. The executive producer is Nama Brown, the senior
Speaker 2: producer is Grace Ruvray, the producer is Tarlie Blackman, and
Speaker 2: we've also had audio production from Jacob And to you,
Speaker 2: my mid friends, for being here for listening. Please tell
Speaker 2: a friend about our show. If you love it, give
Speaker 2: us a rating and a review. It means the world,
Speaker 2: It really does. And I'll see you next week.