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Speaker 2: From MoMA Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop

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Speaker 2: culture fix. I'm em Berners and I'm Laura Brodnick. And

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Speaker 2: look I've come down from my high from the Grammys.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited. What can I say? I love being here

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Speaker 2: on the show. Today, we are talking about the premiere

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Speaker 2: of Apple Side of Vinegar, the new Netflix series about

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Speaker 2: Bell Gibson that we watched a few episodes of.

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Speaker 3: We went to the global premiere. Don't undersell it.

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Speaker 2: We went to the global premiere, which is where we

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Speaker 2: sat with the cast of Apple Side of Vinegar and

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Speaker 2: watched them and then watched them watch us watch.

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Speaker 3: Them on screen inception.

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Speaker 2: We're also going to be sharing our initial thoughts, but

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Speaker 2: the whole series is out on Thursday. Plus, we've been teasing.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if teasing is the right word, but

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Speaker 2: it's been teased that Justin Baldoni was going to launch

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Speaker 2: That has officially been launched by his lawyer and there

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Speaker 2: are a lot of text messages on there. We are

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Speaker 2: going to get into all of that, but first.

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Speaker 1: But first, So earlier this week we cover the story

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Speaker 1: of a video that was released of actress and radio

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Speaker 1: presenter Kate Richie. Was released by The Daily Mail and

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Speaker 1: showed her in a quiet, distressed state in a park,

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Speaker 1: made headlines everywhere. Kate then released a statement on her

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Speaker 1: breakfast radio that she hosts on Nova with Ryan Fitzgerald

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Speaker 1: and Michael Whippley and thanked everyone for their support, while

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Speaker 1: also calling out the paparazzi who have been continually stalking

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Speaker 1: some of the harassment that led to this situation.

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Speaker 4: Been chatting with her and checking in regularly, so we

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Speaker 4: want to say thank you for all the support. Mental

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Speaker 4: illness is tough, and what was portrayed in the media

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Speaker 5: What you saw last week. Obviously, visually she was very distressed.

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Speaker 5: In a time like that, when you see someone who

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Speaker 5: support that person. Unfortunately, Kate Felock, she wasn't supported, and

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Speaker 2: I was actually quite surprised that they said something like

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Speaker 2: So I feel like that entire radio show would have

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Speaker 1: And as we was sort of saying on our episode

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Speaker 2: So the audience reaching out as well as like their

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Speaker 5: I'd lied to.

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Speaker 3: Welcome on the day Shell Gibson.

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Speaker 4: It must have affected her that my book was refuwed

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Speaker 2: She was diagnosed with cancer, so.

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Speaker 1: I have no reason to doubt her.

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Speaker 3: Because in her case it's true.

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Speaker 5: It's a funny.

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Speaker 2: My doctor said, have brain cancer.

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Speaker 3: He's a bloggie my life. She's just like you.

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Speaker 1: I loved the session, full body goosebumps.

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Speaker 2: few days ago we had a date. It's been a

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Speaker 2: we went to the world premiere of the new Netflix

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Speaker 2: I think they're dropping all six episodes.

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Speaker 1: All episodes at once. So it was filmed here in Australia.

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Speaker 1: Is an Austraian actress who's done so many amazing roles,

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Speaker 2: Oh, I thought you were gonna say a Saddle Club.

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Speaker 2: Books from your Saddle Club and then I know her

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Speaker 1: So the story is well, they kind of really set

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Speaker 3: It's so good?

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Speaker 1: So sh me think about you, like, yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: all true, but it was all centered on her lie.

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Speaker 1: It tells a story of Bell Gibson, played I think

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Speaker 2: Her accent is so her Australian accent is so good.

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Speaker 2: She's also been in Book Smart, which we both love,

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Speaker 2: Movies and the Whole World, as well as Unbelievable, which

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Speaker 3: Most terrifying TV show I watched.

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Speaker 2: She's got range, she ranged and this is like a

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Speaker 2: different one like as well. So when I first learned

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Speaker 2: Bell Gibson. We all know Bell Gibson in Australia, Like

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Speaker 2: she was kind of like a wellness guru who faked

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Speaker 1: So this TV show is really very strongly hooked on

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Speaker 1: the book The Woman Who Fooled the World.

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Speaker 2: Which was written by the journalists who exposed her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, by Bo Donnelly and Nick Toscano, two journalists who

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Speaker 1: about the true story of the fake wellness influencer Bell Gibson.

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Speaker 1: And she pretty much convinced the world that she had

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Speaker 1: She had international book deals, but it was her app

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Speaker 1: because we didn't see this in the episodes that we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, that interview was so good. What I really

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I'll be into this because I

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Speaker 2: knew Bell Gibson's story, and because it is not only

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Speaker 2: like such a wild story, but it's also like quite sad,

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Speaker 2: like so many women who had these really serious diagnosis

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Speaker 2: it's actually quite like fast pace, like they don't hold

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Speaker 1: I was quite shocked watching it of how closely they

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Speaker 1: stuck to the real Bell Gibson's story, Like, I know something,

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Speaker 1: and Bell Gibson has nothing to do with this at all, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent. Oh can you imagine if she was involved.

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Speaker 1: Is that she's saying like, oh, maybe it's not coming

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Speaker 1: across on the page, but when I actually do this,

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Speaker 1: my own version of being flirty and yummy and being

437
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Speaker 1: a ball buster, that's my lung language. So it'll come

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Speaker 1: across really well on screen it or come across really

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Speaker 1: spicy and playful, which is what we want. Is I

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Speaker 1: think she's trying to say, but no teeth, yeah, And

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00:20:00,824 --> 00:20:03,384
Speaker 1: he's really sat thinking or make her look controlling and

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Speaker 1: then There's another text that came in February twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: which is allegedly from Ryan Reynolds to Justin Baldoti, and

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00:20:09,784 --> 00:20:12,824
Speaker 1: in the message, Ryan writes, I'm excited for you to

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00:20:12,904 --> 00:20:15,464
Speaker 1: work together. I'm excited for Blake to crack open her

446
00:20:15,504 --> 00:20:17,944
Speaker 1: creative piggybank with someone as dynamic as you.

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Speaker 3: This is going to be incredible.

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Speaker 1: In all caps. I happen to adore you, Justin. All

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Speaker 1: we're really learning from this so far is that Blake

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Speaker 1: and Ryan are both very embarrassing text messages. Ill, but

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Speaker 1: you can't sue someone for that.

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Speaker 2: I was the kid, I'd block both of them. That's

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Speaker 2: too much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they always give very daggy parent You can't.

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Speaker 2: Sue someone for that that. You're so right, though, like

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Speaker 2: what like, what's the suing them for being ippy? It's

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00:20:39,944 --> 00:20:41,184
Speaker 2: like everyone, I mean you know what.

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Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, sue us all because we're all embarrassing. It's yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like with the whole Game of Phones message from

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Speaker 1: Blake that came out, and like that's embarrassing for her,

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Speaker 1: but also it doesn't you can't sue someone for having

462
00:20:51,584 --> 00:20:54,184
Speaker 1: her best friend come into the room and be like, yeah,

463
00:20:54,224 --> 00:20:56,464
Speaker 1: this script is great, So I don't know what you're

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Speaker 1: trying to prove her.

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Speaker 2: Best friend slash favorite dragon. Yeah, yeah, it's really weird.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's what he's doing. He's just trying to embarrass them,

467
00:21:02,464 --> 00:21:04,304
Speaker 2: because you know what, I'm embarrassed for them, So.

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00:21:04,384 --> 00:21:05,104
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Then there's some messages about the intimacy coordinator on the film,

470
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Speaker 1: which obviously is so much of blake lawsuit against Justin

471
00:21:12,344 --> 00:21:15,464
Speaker 1: is that the intimate scenes weren't properly done and that's

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Speaker 1: when she felt harassed and she felt unsafe. So this

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Speaker 1: is probably the part that's really important to the law case.

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Speaker 1: The other stuff I think is very much just about

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Speaker 1: the court of public opinion, like trying to show them

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00:21:25,264 --> 00:21:28,184
Speaker 1: to be like daggy or controlling, are annoying. But in

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Speaker 1: this text message that he's released, Justin Baldoni alleges that

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Speaker 1: Blake Lively messaged him and said, I feel good, I

479
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Speaker 1: can meet her when we start. Thank you though, so

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Speaker 1: saying that she didn't want to meet with the intimacy

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Speaker 1: coordinator when he offered before filming, which obviously there could

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Speaker 1: be information we're missing there. We don't know, like these

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00:21:45,864 --> 00:21:48,144
Speaker 1: are just their text messages. There could have been other

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Speaker 1: correspondents that's not included. And then in May of twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three, Justin Baldoni texted someone else who was working

486
00:21:54,784 --> 00:21:57,024
Speaker 1: on the movie and said he was fucking terrified of

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Speaker 1: saying the wrong thing to Blake Lively about wanting a

488
00:21:59,744 --> 00:22:02,824
Speaker 1: wardrobe change for her character. After you know, there was

489
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Speaker 1: all that backlash from fans when the first we saw

490
00:22:05,464 --> 00:22:09,144
Speaker 1: that photos came out of Yeah, yeah, I remember. So

491
00:22:09,304 --> 00:22:11,864
Speaker 1: there's that. So that's a lot of new information. Again,

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00:22:12,784 --> 00:22:15,024
Speaker 1: there's nothing sort of there's no kind of mic drop

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Speaker 1: moment from either side around approving what's happening.

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Speaker 2: Before we move back. Is he showing like just their

495
00:22:20,184 --> 00:22:24,064
Speaker 2: text or like, is he also including text that he.

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Speaker 1: He includes a lot of side texts that he's having

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Speaker 1: with different producers and all that stuffing, And a lot

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00:22:27,624 --> 00:22:29,824
Speaker 1: of the side texts that he's released with other people

499
00:22:29,864 --> 00:22:32,744
Speaker 1: who are working on the movie are very much showing

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Speaker 1: him being the kind, respectful one and painting Blake in

501
00:22:36,784 --> 00:22:39,704
Speaker 1: a really bad light. So there's text messages where he'll

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Speaker 1: say like, oh, I want to give her this know script,

503
00:22:41,824 --> 00:22:43,624
Speaker 1: but you know, I know it's gonna be really difficult,

504
00:22:43,664 --> 00:22:45,784
Speaker 1: and the other producers saying, yeah, we know, we don't

505
00:22:45,824 --> 00:22:48,464
Speaker 1: want to like, you know, set her off kind of thing,

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00:22:48,544 --> 00:22:49,904
Speaker 1: and they're saying like, oh, she wants to look at

507
00:22:49,944 --> 00:22:52,384
Speaker 1: the dailies, check her contracts, see if we can stop her.

508
00:22:52,784 --> 00:22:55,744
Speaker 1: So in those side messages, she doesn't come across great.

509
00:22:55,784 --> 00:22:57,824
Speaker 1: But again it's all context of like I.

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Speaker 2: Wonder if like there's messages he's refusing not to publish,

511
00:23:01,104 --> 00:23:04,584
Speaker 2: yeah that Ryan and Blake will use as evidence.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, actual, okay, And I also think it goes both ways.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there's information that Blake Lively and

514
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Speaker 1: Ryan Reynolds when they were working with the New York Times. Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's text messages information from Justin Baldoni that

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Speaker 1: wasn't included in that too. Like I think you can

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00:23:16,664 --> 00:23:19,224
Speaker 1: sort of look at that from two sides. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: for all the information that's been leaked, I don't think

519
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Speaker 1: it's given us a clear outcome of how the trial

520
00:23:23,864 --> 00:23:25,824
Speaker 1: is going to go. So the trial itself has been

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Speaker 1: set for March of next year. Ah, this is gonna

522
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Speaker 1: come first, so long, but the initial conference has been

523
00:23:32,904 --> 00:23:34,544
Speaker 1: moved up by the judge, who's.

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Speaker 2: Always can make like ten more websites.

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Speaker 1: In that Yeah, this is going to go on for

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Speaker 1: such a long time. So the judge who's seeing both

527
00:23:40,064 --> 00:23:42,944
Speaker 1: lawsuits apparently he's going to put them all into one trial,

528
00:23:42,984 --> 00:23:45,424
Speaker 1: which is just time saving for him. That's just good management.

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Speaker 1: He's also moved the conference, which is kind of like

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Speaker 1: the first kind of fact finding and like interviews and

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Speaker 1: things like that. He's moved that forward to mid February

532
00:23:54,544 --> 00:23:57,184
Speaker 1: of this year, this month, so I think he's like, guys,

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Speaker 1: please stop. And also you've got to remember that Blake

534
00:23:59,824 --> 00:24:02,664
Speaker 1: and Ryan were trying to get Justin Baldoni's lawyer gag

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00:24:02,744 --> 00:24:04,664
Speaker 1: so he can stop doing all these interviews about them

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00:24:04,704 --> 00:24:06,744
Speaker 1: before they go to trials. So this judge has got

537
00:24:06,744 --> 00:24:08,984
Speaker 1: like a lot of Frian Freedman. Yeah, this judge has

538
00:24:08,984 --> 00:24:11,264
Speaker 1: got a lot of different plates that he's spitting in

539
00:24:11,264 --> 00:24:13,304
Speaker 1: the air with his case trying to get these kids

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00:24:13,304 --> 00:24:16,744
Speaker 1: to behave Yeah, exactly. So yeah, March next year, but

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Speaker 1: I'm sure before then a lot more information will come out.

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