1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:15,304 Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia 2 00:00:15,424 --> 00:00:18,984 Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this 3 00:00:19,064 --> 00:00:27,304 Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to This Spill, 4 00:00:27,344 --> 00:00:30,664 Speaker 1: your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick, and today 5 00:00:30,704 --> 00:00:31,624 Speaker 1: I'm joined. 6 00:00:31,264 --> 00:00:35,424 Speaker 2: By Taylorstrano, host of The Quickie, which is our news podcast. 7 00:00:35,424 --> 00:00:37,704 Speaker 1: Hello Laura, Hello, I'm glad you're here today because we 8 00:00:37,704 --> 00:00:39,704 Speaker 1: do have It's one of those days where news and 9 00:00:39,824 --> 00:00:42,264 Speaker 1: entertainment are having a crossover, at least in some respects. 10 00:00:42,344 --> 00:00:44,064 Speaker 1: The top of the show is very silly. I love 11 00:00:44,104 --> 00:00:44,504 Speaker 1: a good. 12 00:00:44,344 --> 00:00:47,544 Speaker 2: Crossover, and I feel like I can actually contribute something 13 00:00:47,624 --> 00:00:48,624 Speaker 2: in a small way to this. 14 00:00:49,824 --> 00:00:52,944 Speaker 1: It's like two Mummia podcasts coming together for buch You 15 00:00:52,984 --> 00:00:54,904 Speaker 1: said that you yeah, I'm a fan. Yeah, I no, no, no, 16 00:00:54,944 --> 00:00:56,904 Speaker 1: we now we're speaking. That's the thing like news and 17 00:00:56,984 --> 00:00:59,504 Speaker 1: entertainment sometimes different, but everyone likes Marvel. 18 00:00:59,624 --> 00:01:02,264 Speaker 2: We have to tum up and fight against other forces. 19 00:01:02,344 --> 00:01:04,384 Speaker 1: I'm just I know we're joking, but actually I'm loving 20 00:01:04,384 --> 00:01:06,064 Speaker 1: this so much and I feel like there should be 21 00:01:06,144 --> 00:01:07,384 Speaker 1: artwork involved or. 22 00:01:07,304 --> 00:01:09,824 Speaker 2: We will get onto that absolutely on today's show of 23 00:01:09,864 --> 00:01:13,024 Speaker 2: the Spill, though we are struggling to contain our excitement 24 00:01:13,064 --> 00:01:15,424 Speaker 2: because one of the most iconic films of the Naughties 25 00:01:15,864 --> 00:01:17,904 Speaker 2: is getting a sequel. We'll talk more about that in 26 00:01:17,904 --> 00:01:20,704 Speaker 2: a moment. And of course Britney Spears has been dragged 27 00:01:20,704 --> 00:01:22,624 Speaker 2: into the Diddy trial, but maybe not in the way 28 00:01:22,624 --> 00:01:25,184 Speaker 2: that you think, So there's further explanation on the way. 29 00:01:25,184 --> 00:01:28,224 Speaker 2: But first, Laura, we need to dissect some of the 30 00:01:28,304 --> 00:01:31,504 Speaker 2: looks from the AMA the American Music Award red carpet 31 00:01:31,504 --> 00:01:34,264 Speaker 2: that's already happened today, Thoughts Feeling's opinions. 32 00:01:34,664 --> 00:01:36,384 Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, we haven't had a red carpet in a 33 00:01:36,384 --> 00:01:38,864 Speaker 1: while because award season's over, so I think a lot 34 00:01:38,864 --> 00:01:40,984 Speaker 1: of people were looking forward to this. Maybe because there 35 00:01:40,984 --> 00:01:43,464 Speaker 1: was so much build up and speculation. A lot of 36 00:01:43,504 --> 00:01:46,064 Speaker 1: people thought that Taylor Swift was going to walk the 37 00:01:46,104 --> 00:01:48,144 Speaker 1: red carpet, and she's been in hiding for a while. 38 00:01:48,384 --> 00:01:50,784 Speaker 1: They thought she was going to announce the new Reputation 39 00:01:50,944 --> 00:01:53,624 Speaker 1: album at the time of recording. That hasn't happened, and 40 00:01:53,664 --> 00:01:55,584 Speaker 1: I'm pretty safe to say it's not going to happen. 41 00:01:55,584 --> 00:01:57,824 Speaker 1: There's a lot of devastated Swifties out in the world, 42 00:01:58,184 --> 00:01:59,704 Speaker 1: a lot of big names who we thought were going 43 00:01:59,784 --> 00:02:01,984 Speaker 1: to come out and like really make a stance on 44 00:02:02,024 --> 00:02:05,304 Speaker 1: the red carpet, like Jennifer Lopez opened the show. We 45 00:02:05,384 --> 00:02:07,024 Speaker 1: thought that she was going to walk the red carpet 46 00:02:07,024 --> 00:02:09,264 Speaker 1: in like a really you know, crazy look, because the 47 00:02:09,264 --> 00:02:11,824 Speaker 1: American Music Awards is where people can go a bit 48 00:02:11,904 --> 00:02:15,464 Speaker 1: crazy with their fashion. She didn't turn up, but there 49 00:02:15,464 --> 00:02:17,184 Speaker 1: were a few great looks on the red carpet or 50 00:02:17,184 --> 00:02:18,944 Speaker 1: the purple carpet. I should say, I don't want to 51 00:02:18,944 --> 00:02:21,264 Speaker 1: take away from the excitement of this little moment that 52 00:02:21,304 --> 00:02:24,464 Speaker 1: we're having. So Renee Wrap walked the purple carpet in 53 00:02:24,544 --> 00:02:28,024 Speaker 1: a floor length kind of tuxtedo silky gown, hot off 54 00:02:28,064 --> 00:02:30,384 Speaker 1: releasing her new single that we talked about earlier this 55 00:02:30,464 --> 00:02:32,664 Speaker 1: week that dissed her past show, The Sex Slides of 56 00:02:32,704 --> 00:02:36,304 Speaker 1: College Girls. Also, Heidi Klohm straight from the carn Film 57 00:02:36,304 --> 00:02:38,784 Speaker 1: Festival Red Carpet where she was not involved, but she 58 00:02:38,824 --> 00:02:41,984 Speaker 1: walked the red carpet American Music Awards, again not involved 59 00:02:41,984 --> 00:02:43,624 Speaker 1: on the red carp I love her commitment to a 60 00:02:43,624 --> 00:02:45,704 Speaker 1: red carpet look. It doesn't matter what the event is, 61 00:02:45,744 --> 00:02:46,184 Speaker 1: She's there. 62 00:02:46,264 --> 00:02:48,504 Speaker 2: Heidi Klemens is a carpet she will be in attendance 63 00:02:48,544 --> 00:02:50,824 Speaker 2: and she'll be wearing something fabulous. Although there's like a 64 00:02:50,864 --> 00:02:54,784 Speaker 2: lot of train ruffledge going on in the AMA's carpet. 65 00:02:54,464 --> 00:02:57,144 Speaker 1: Looking, I think, yeah, yeah, especially with her dress. I 66 00:02:57,184 --> 00:02:58,624 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe a few of them because they got 67 00:02:58,624 --> 00:03:01,424 Speaker 1: a banded khn that they've kind of recycled the volume 68 00:03:01,504 --> 00:03:04,704 Speaker 1: we've seen. Benson Boone, I thought looked like a Maybe 69 00:03:04,704 --> 00:03:06,864 Speaker 1: it's his facial hair more than his look, but he 70 00:03:06,904 --> 00:03:10,784 Speaker 1: looks like almost like a Shakespearean pirate. He's got like 71 00:03:10,784 --> 00:03:14,144 Speaker 1: a green suit on ruffles, he's obviously got the chest 72 00:03:14,224 --> 00:03:16,984 Speaker 1: out there, and he's like little mustache happening. I don't know. 73 00:03:17,064 --> 00:03:19,584 Speaker 1: I do find that man very attractive. Heidi Montag was 74 00:03:19,584 --> 00:03:20,944 Speaker 1: a bit of a blast from the past. Did you 75 00:03:20,944 --> 00:03:21,544 Speaker 1: see her look? 76 00:03:21,664 --> 00:03:23,784 Speaker 2: I did, and it was almost a bit like I 77 00:03:23,824 --> 00:03:25,584 Speaker 2: had to double take of who it was because the 78 00:03:25,704 --> 00:03:27,744 Speaker 2: hair was so platinum. 79 00:03:27,784 --> 00:03:29,864 Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I just got a new Bob. I 80 00:03:29,944 --> 00:03:30,504 Speaker 1: like that you the. 81 00:03:30,504 --> 00:03:32,864 Speaker 2: Way you describe Benson Boom because my mind as I 82 00:03:32,864 --> 00:03:35,624 Speaker 2: flicked through the article on the ma Mere website with 83 00:03:35,704 --> 00:03:38,384 Speaker 2: all the looks from the AMA red carpet or purple carpet, 84 00:03:38,464 --> 00:03:40,464 Speaker 2: was it's very vampiric. To me. 85 00:03:40,704 --> 00:03:44,824 Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god, yes, vampire, Shakespearean pirate. Maybe that's 86 00:03:44,824 --> 00:03:46,424 Speaker 1: all we're going for. Yeah, yeah, that's the. 87 00:03:46,304 --> 00:03:48,864 Speaker 2: Theme this year, and everyone relatively stuck to that theme, 88 00:03:48,904 --> 00:03:52,544 Speaker 2: I feel, except maybe Shahboozie, who was just like, there's a. 89 00:03:52,504 --> 00:03:54,704 Speaker 1: Theme, there's a dress. I don't care. 90 00:03:54,744 --> 00:03:56,824 Speaker 2: I'm gonna wear my studded cowboy. 91 00:03:57,544 --> 00:03:59,624 Speaker 1: What do you call those things that they wear? The pants? 92 00:03:59,624 --> 00:04:03,984 Speaker 2: Oh, like chaps, yes, frontless chaps, but then jeans, which 93 00:04:04,024 --> 00:04:04,344 Speaker 2: is you know? 94 00:04:04,584 --> 00:04:05,304 Speaker 1: Love that good? 95 00:04:05,744 --> 00:04:06,584 Speaker 2: I love that look. 96 00:04:06,624 --> 00:04:08,424 Speaker 1: I think that's maybe one of my favorites. 97 00:04:08,744 --> 00:04:10,824 Speaker 2: Okay, Sierra though I also love this look. 98 00:04:10,904 --> 00:04:11,584 Speaker 1: It has like. 99 00:04:11,584 --> 00:04:15,144 Speaker 2: That dripping icy thing. But if you were to make 100 00:04:15,184 --> 00:04:18,144 Speaker 2: it with like the tabs from a soda can, Oh yes, 101 00:04:18,304 --> 00:04:19,064 Speaker 2: it's really cool. 102 00:04:19,264 --> 00:04:22,384 Speaker 1: Again, that's almost like General Otega wearing rulers down the 103 00:04:22,504 --> 00:04:24,464 Speaker 1: metala of red carp But I feel like everyone's doing 104 00:04:24,504 --> 00:04:27,464 Speaker 1: like found kind of items for their fashion at the moment. 105 00:04:27,544 --> 00:04:29,544 Speaker 1: So no kind of standout looks, but a fun time 106 00:04:29,584 --> 00:04:32,264 Speaker 1: and the usual kind of faces they're going inside. Then 107 00:04:32,424 --> 00:04:36,944 Speaker 1: to the ceremony itself, Jennifer Lopez opened, which I freaking loved. 108 00:04:36,984 --> 00:04:39,544 Speaker 1: Like I know she's had a rough year with jan 109 00:04:39,624 --> 00:04:43,104 Speaker 1: Affleck divorce and having to cancel her tour due to 110 00:04:43,184 --> 00:04:45,304 Speaker 1: poor ticket sales. There's been a lot happening for her. 111 00:04:45,344 --> 00:04:47,864 Speaker 1: But she came out strong. Actually, in the days leading 112 00:04:47,944 --> 00:04:50,304 Speaker 1: up to the event, in the rehearsals, she was rehearsing 113 00:04:50,344 --> 00:04:53,024 Speaker 1: and dancing so hard, dancing a little hard out that 114 00:04:53,064 --> 00:04:54,744 Speaker 1: she had a nose injury. And she's got she's got 115 00:04:54,784 --> 00:04:58,504 Speaker 1: stitches all through her notes, I know, but she's out 116 00:04:58,544 --> 00:05:01,504 Speaker 1: there doing it. She's a consummate professional. So she opened 117 00:05:01,504 --> 00:05:03,624 Speaker 1: the show by dancing and singing to a medley of 118 00:05:03,664 --> 00:05:05,704 Speaker 1: twenty three hits. But they're all the biggest, not just 119 00:05:05,784 --> 00:05:08,384 Speaker 1: her songs, not just her songs. It's not like when 120 00:05:08,424 --> 00:05:10,704 Speaker 1: she sung at the inauguration and she put her own 121 00:05:10,744 --> 00:05:13,744 Speaker 1: song into like the national anthem. It's not that moment, 122 00:05:13,784 --> 00:05:15,464 Speaker 1: although that was iconic. Again, she got a lot of 123 00:05:15,464 --> 00:05:17,824 Speaker 1: shit for that. Instead, she pulled in like she did, 124 00:05:17,864 --> 00:05:19,664 Speaker 1: like a medley of all the biggest songs of the year. 125 00:05:19,704 --> 00:05:23,064 Speaker 1: So she did Dough Chi, Denila as a River, Sabrina Carpenter, Espresso, 126 00:05:23,624 --> 00:05:26,344 Speaker 1: all the kind of big hits like Beyonce Texas hold them. 127 00:05:26,424 --> 00:05:29,104 Speaker 1: But their best moment was in the six minute performance 128 00:05:29,184 --> 00:05:32,024 Speaker 1: when she's doing twenty three songs. She was also had 129 00:05:32,064 --> 00:05:35,424 Speaker 1: all of her hot, sexy backup dancers swirling around her, 130 00:05:35,864 --> 00:05:38,824 Speaker 1: and she passed a couple oh like a on stage 131 00:05:38,864 --> 00:05:40,704 Speaker 1: pash like it just a little quick kiss kind. 132 00:05:40,504 --> 00:05:43,424 Speaker 2: Of intimacy coordinator Okay that yeah, Yeah, you could tell 133 00:05:43,424 --> 00:05:45,184 Speaker 2: it was yeah, quite rehearsed, and it was I don't know, 134 00:05:45,184 --> 00:05:47,024 Speaker 2: I think it was meant to be super shocking, and 135 00:05:47,064 --> 00:05:48,744 Speaker 2: some people are just sudden acknawed the vibes. 136 00:05:48,784 --> 00:05:50,744 Speaker 1: Some people are saying that, oh, it was like she's 137 00:05:50,784 --> 00:05:52,664 Speaker 1: just trying to get attention, but it kind of worked 138 00:05:52,664 --> 00:05:54,664 Speaker 1: because it's the one thing from the AMA's are actually 139 00:05:54,704 --> 00:05:55,144 Speaker 1: talking about. 140 00:05:55,304 --> 00:05:58,864 Speaker 2: But also you're opening the AMAS. It's supposed to be attention. 141 00:05:59,424 --> 00:06:00,304 Speaker 2: Is that kind of the point. 142 00:06:00,584 --> 00:06:02,704 Speaker 1: Well, I think now because it's been like over twenty 143 00:06:02,784 --> 00:06:06,144 Speaker 1: years since the Video Music Awards where it's a different 144 00:06:06,184 --> 00:06:09,544 Speaker 1: one where Madonna like very infamously kissed Britney and then Christine, 145 00:06:09,544 --> 00:06:12,544 Speaker 1: although Christine's kiss got cut from the broadcast so the 146 00:06:12,584 --> 00:06:15,824 Speaker 1: camera could be on Justin instead, and it did feel 147 00:06:15,864 --> 00:06:18,024 Speaker 1: a little bit like she was trying to recreate that, 148 00:06:18,064 --> 00:06:19,784 Speaker 1: but I just think it was more in her vision 149 00:06:20,304 --> 00:06:21,864 Speaker 1: and they looked very happy to kiss her. 150 00:06:21,984 --> 00:06:25,344 Speaker 2: I also love twenty three songs. Is so many songs. 151 00:06:25,424 --> 00:06:27,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, she was like, my tour is being canceled. 152 00:06:27,064 --> 00:06:28,864 Speaker 2: You will sit here and watch me sing yes instead. 153 00:06:29,944 --> 00:06:31,984 Speaker 1: So we loved that and we can now just continue 154 00:06:31,984 --> 00:06:34,784 Speaker 1: to wait for Taylor Swift to announce reputation. I should 155 00:06:34,784 --> 00:06:36,544 Speaker 1: say like I was obviously paying attention to all the 156 00:06:36,544 --> 00:06:39,184 Speaker 1: Easter eggs, all the fan theories, but I think Taylor herself, 157 00:06:39,664 --> 00:06:41,624 Speaker 1: she was not leading to people to believe that, and 158 00:06:41,664 --> 00:06:43,544 Speaker 1: I don't know if that was the moment she I 159 00:06:43,584 --> 00:06:45,624 Speaker 1: think she'll do it on a bigger stage. So apart 160 00:06:45,624 --> 00:06:48,024 Speaker 1: from that, we'll link an article from Ammamir that has 161 00:06:48,104 --> 00:06:49,664 Speaker 1: all the looks in one place, so you can go 162 00:06:49,704 --> 00:06:51,384 Speaker 1: through and tell us who you think looks like a 163 00:06:51,424 --> 00:06:54,344 Speaker 1: pirate or a vampire or a sailor or whatever they're 164 00:06:54,344 --> 00:06:58,184 Speaker 1: trying to be. So this week we've had some other 165 00:06:58,264 --> 00:07:01,024 Speaker 1: exciting sequel news, lots of sequel news coming through in 166 00:07:01,064 --> 00:07:03,064 Speaker 1: the industry lately, and that is the fact that The 167 00:07:03,064 --> 00:07:05,264 Speaker 1: Devil Wears prior to sequel, well, we definitely knew it 168 00:07:05,304 --> 00:07:07,904 Speaker 1: was going ahead because that was announced in July of 169 00:07:08,104 --> 00:07:11,584 Speaker 1: last year, but none of the main so Emily Blunt, 170 00:07:11,624 --> 00:07:15,464 Speaker 1: Ann Hathaway, Merrill Street, all Stanley Tucci have been confirmed. 171 00:07:15,504 --> 00:07:17,344 Speaker 1: So even though it's one of those projects that's been 172 00:07:17,424 --> 00:07:19,344 Speaker 1: green lit, I've still been on a little of the 173 00:07:19,424 --> 00:07:23,304 Speaker 1: fence about if it's actually coming. But this week Disney 174 00:07:23,384 --> 00:07:26,424 Speaker 1: released the run date for the theatrical release and it's 175 00:07:26,424 --> 00:07:29,424 Speaker 1: set for May one, twenty twenty six. So now it's 176 00:07:29,464 --> 00:07:31,864 Speaker 1: all starting to feel a little bit real. They have 177 00:07:31,944 --> 00:07:34,984 Speaker 1: the original producer back on board from the first movie, 178 00:07:35,064 --> 00:07:38,384 Speaker 1: they have the original director in talks to return, apparently 179 00:07:38,384 --> 00:07:41,624 Speaker 1: that's about to sign. And especially now that the new 180 00:07:41,744 --> 00:07:44,744 Speaker 1: Avengers movie kind of like Us was going to launch 181 00:07:44,784 --> 00:07:47,504 Speaker 1: that weekend, that's been bumped back and Devil Rays prior 182 00:07:47,664 --> 00:07:49,904 Speaker 1: has been brought in in its place. It's all feeling 183 00:07:49,984 --> 00:07:52,384 Speaker 1: very real, even though none of the actual cast has 184 00:07:52,384 --> 00:07:53,264 Speaker 1: said they're coming back. 185 00:07:53,504 --> 00:07:56,184 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, that's details and that's you know. I will 186 00:07:56,224 --> 00:07:58,304 Speaker 2: sit and wait for that to happen. Can I just say, 187 00:07:58,424 --> 00:08:01,944 Speaker 2: thank God Marvel and the Devil Weds prior to sequel, 188 00:08:01,944 --> 00:08:03,904 Speaker 2: I'm not coming out on the same I would have 189 00:08:03,944 --> 00:08:08,024 Speaker 2: passed away Barbie Oppenheimer all over again. I'd say bigger 190 00:08:08,064 --> 00:08:11,984 Speaker 2: than Yeah, the crossover surely more between Devilws Prata and 191 00:08:12,064 --> 00:08:15,704 Speaker 2: Avengers than Barbie Oppenheimer. Laura, how do you feel about 192 00:08:15,704 --> 00:08:18,544 Speaker 2: sequels in general, and then how do you feel specifically 193 00:08:18,584 --> 00:08:19,264 Speaker 2: about this one. 194 00:08:19,904 --> 00:08:21,744 Speaker 1: Look, I feel like I'm really going to backtrack on 195 00:08:21,904 --> 00:08:24,144 Speaker 1: because just a few weeks ago we were talking about 196 00:08:24,144 --> 00:08:27,104 Speaker 1: the fact that the sequel to Practical Magic had been greenlit, 197 00:08:27,384 --> 00:08:29,184 Speaker 1: and I know some people are upset about that, but 198 00:08:29,264 --> 00:08:32,064 Speaker 1: I was all in, and so I do feel maybe 199 00:08:32,104 --> 00:08:33,824 Speaker 1: it looks like I'm backflipping now to say that I 200 00:08:33,824 --> 00:08:36,904 Speaker 1: don't want The Devil Wears Prita sequel, But the facts 201 00:08:36,904 --> 00:08:39,784 Speaker 1: are that Practical Magic is part of like a bigger 202 00:08:39,864 --> 00:08:43,824 Speaker 1: world that feels like there is more story there to tell, 203 00:08:44,224 --> 00:08:47,104 Speaker 1: and that it's diving back into that world and into 204 00:08:47,224 --> 00:08:49,664 Speaker 1: like a family legacy, and there's so many books to work. 205 00:08:49,704 --> 00:08:53,384 Speaker 1: Were gearing up for a butt so but I would 206 00:08:53,424 --> 00:08:56,184 Speaker 1: just say The Devil Wears Prada is one of my 207 00:08:56,224 --> 00:08:58,624 Speaker 1: favorite movies. And I don't say that lightly because my 208 00:08:58,704 --> 00:09:00,584 Speaker 1: favorite thing to bring up at a dinner party is 209 00:09:00,584 --> 00:09:02,944 Speaker 1: that letterbox thing of what are your four favorite movies? Yes, 210 00:09:03,064 --> 00:09:06,064 Speaker 1: and I've worked really hard to cultivate my four favorite movies, 211 00:09:06,104 --> 00:09:08,024 Speaker 1: and the Devil Wears Prata is on there, Okay, So 212 00:09:08,064 --> 00:09:10,144 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm not taking this lightly when I'm not 213 00:09:10,224 --> 00:09:11,904 Speaker 1: like the other girls who say it's my favorite movie 214 00:09:11,904 --> 00:09:14,024 Speaker 1: and watch it once every five years, like I'm in 215 00:09:14,064 --> 00:09:16,104 Speaker 1: the weeds of it. And I have read all the 216 00:09:16,144 --> 00:09:18,304 Speaker 1: sequel books. That's the thing. There are sequels to it. 217 00:09:18,544 --> 00:09:21,224 Speaker 1: So the first sequel book follows Andy when she's working 218 00:09:21,224 --> 00:09:24,144 Speaker 1: at a bridal magazine and she's getting married and she 219 00:09:24,304 --> 00:09:27,024 Speaker 1: runs like across Miranda Priestley again. And then the book 220 00:09:27,104 --> 00:09:29,544 Speaker 1: after that, When Life Gives You Lulu Lemons, which is 221 00:09:29,544 --> 00:09:32,184 Speaker 1: such a good title, follows Emily Charles played by Emily 222 00:09:32,184 --> 00:09:35,664 Speaker 1: Blunt in the movie where she's pregnant, and then she's 223 00:09:35,704 --> 00:09:38,704 Speaker 1: also like splitting up from her partner, and Andy is 224 00:09:38,744 --> 00:09:40,384 Speaker 1: only part of that story on the phone, and then 225 00:09:40,784 --> 00:09:42,424 Speaker 1: she's kind of goes off with her friend to start 226 00:09:42,464 --> 00:09:44,664 Speaker 1: this new business, and like in the end, Miranda comes 227 00:09:44,704 --> 00:09:46,224 Speaker 1: to her baby shower. It's a whole thing. Ma'am. 228 00:09:46,304 --> 00:09:48,344 Speaker 2: You are still skirting around the fact, are you four 229 00:09:48,464 --> 00:09:49,224 Speaker 2: or against the Devil? 230 00:09:49,944 --> 00:09:52,104 Speaker 1: Can I just say I'm against because I feel like 231 00:09:52,184 --> 00:09:55,704 Speaker 1: that movie the story ended in a perfect moment in time. 232 00:09:55,864 --> 00:09:59,064 Speaker 1: Even though the books continue the story but the books 233 00:09:59,104 --> 00:10:02,624 Speaker 1: continue the story in a way that doesn't suit the 234 00:10:02,624 --> 00:10:05,584 Speaker 1: continuation of a movie, and also kind of say the 235 00:10:05,704 --> 00:10:09,104 Speaker 1: lead actresses agree with me. Emily Blunt has previously said 236 00:10:09,104 --> 00:10:11,864 Speaker 1: many times that she feels like a sequel would dilute 237 00:10:11,904 --> 00:10:15,624 Speaker 1: the original story, so has Anne Hathaway, and Hathaway feels 238 00:10:15,624 --> 00:10:18,824 Speaker 1: like it was about making a physical magazine and it 239 00:10:18,904 --> 00:10:20,984 Speaker 1: captured a moment in time, and she doesn't feel like 240 00:10:21,024 --> 00:10:21,944 Speaker 1: we should revisit that. 241 00:10:21,984 --> 00:10:22,184 Speaker 2: I know. 242 00:10:22,384 --> 00:10:24,824 Speaker 1: Also other times they've said like, I love the cast, 243 00:10:24,864 --> 00:10:26,584 Speaker 1: and I come back if they asked me. But the 244 00:10:26,624 --> 00:10:29,144 Speaker 1: fact that both the lead actresses have said that they 245 00:10:29,184 --> 00:10:32,504 Speaker 1: don't think this movie should be made, I think goes 246 00:10:32,624 --> 00:10:34,544 Speaker 1: with the idea that it was a perfect moment in 247 00:10:34,544 --> 00:10:35,864 Speaker 1: time and we shouldn't remake it. 248 00:10:35,624 --> 00:10:38,704 Speaker 2: It's interesting, right, because all those books in that series, 249 00:10:39,064 --> 00:10:41,304 Speaker 2: like you said, they diverge and they go into very 250 00:10:41,464 --> 00:10:44,624 Speaker 2: other worlds and it's not necessarily about this fashion journalism 251 00:10:44,624 --> 00:10:46,944 Speaker 2: world anymore, which is what we love. The devil as 252 00:10:46,944 --> 00:10:48,744 Speaker 2: prout of form like it's wished for film, And I'm 253 00:10:48,744 --> 00:10:50,744 Speaker 2: sure at one time or another, Laura, you would have 254 00:10:50,744 --> 00:10:52,544 Speaker 2: watched this like I did and was like, oh, yes, 255 00:10:52,664 --> 00:10:53,264 Speaker 2: the life. 256 00:10:53,144 --> 00:10:55,184 Speaker 1: I was like, there's no way I'm throwing my phone 257 00:10:55,224 --> 00:10:57,624 Speaker 1: in a fountain at Paris Fashion Wig. I would ditch 258 00:10:57,624 --> 00:10:59,904 Speaker 1: my friends, I would ditch my boyfriend. I'd be like 259 00:11:00,624 --> 00:11:03,264 Speaker 1: I would stepped over Emily's dead body to get that job. 260 00:11:03,464 --> 00:11:05,144 Speaker 2: I mean, we're making a podcast about it now. I 261 00:11:05,144 --> 00:11:06,864 Speaker 2: think it's not as close as you or I agone. 262 00:11:07,064 --> 00:11:08,224 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're right. 263 00:11:08,264 --> 00:11:10,584 Speaker 2: The books go in these very different directions, and so 264 00:11:10,704 --> 00:11:13,224 Speaker 2: if the plot sticks to these books, which we don't 265 00:11:13,304 --> 00:11:15,784 Speaker 2: really think that that's going to be the case. Society 266 00:11:15,864 --> 00:11:18,224 Speaker 2: have some sort of indication of the plot though. 267 00:11:18,344 --> 00:11:20,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, so they've alluded to the fact. And again, Meryl 268 00:11:20,424 --> 00:11:23,304 Speaker 1: Streep hasn't signed on. But there's just no way Disney 269 00:11:23,344 --> 00:11:27,184 Speaker 1: would have this movie on the books and slated into 270 00:11:27,224 --> 00:11:30,544 Speaker 1: their upcoming release schedule if they didn't have Meryl Streep 271 00:11:30,664 --> 00:11:33,864 Speaker 1: signed for it. And so apparently it's going to follow 272 00:11:33,904 --> 00:11:36,744 Speaker 1: her in the decline of like physical magazines and print 273 00:11:36,824 --> 00:11:40,664 Speaker 1: journalism and how she navigates a world of online journalism. 274 00:11:41,024 --> 00:11:44,384 Speaker 1: And even though that's kind of interesting, I just again, 275 00:11:44,544 --> 00:11:47,104 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's what I want to see 276 00:11:47,104 --> 00:11:49,464 Speaker 1: from her character. I would much more love if these 277 00:11:49,584 --> 00:11:53,104 Speaker 1: characters did like what character actors who were very like 278 00:11:53,184 --> 00:11:55,424 Speaker 1: famous for working pairs used to back in the day, 279 00:11:55,504 --> 00:11:58,784 Speaker 1: like there'd be like multiple Meg Ryan and Tom Hanks movies. 280 00:11:58,784 --> 00:12:00,464 Speaker 1: You know how you just keep you keep bringing the 281 00:12:00,504 --> 00:12:03,344 Speaker 1: same actors back together, but then they play different characters. 282 00:12:03,424 --> 00:12:05,584 Speaker 1: Like American Horror Story. Yeah exactly. I think I'd much 283 00:12:05,664 --> 00:12:09,904 Speaker 1: rather watch that than watch these people try and bring 284 00:12:09,944 --> 00:12:13,384 Speaker 1: these directors back twenty years later and try and recapture 285 00:12:13,424 --> 00:12:16,304 Speaker 1: that magic when it wasn't there. But I do understand 286 00:12:16,304 --> 00:12:18,744 Speaker 1: why they're not following Lauren Weisberger, she's the author. I 287 00:12:18,824 --> 00:12:21,264 Speaker 1: understand when they're not following her books because Devil wes 288 00:12:21,304 --> 00:12:24,224 Speaker 1: Pratter is one of the few examples where the movie 289 00:12:24,344 --> 00:12:27,184 Speaker 1: is so much better than the book. And Lauren Weisberger, 290 00:12:27,184 --> 00:12:29,424 Speaker 1: the author, has said that she knows the book is bad, 291 00:12:29,584 --> 00:12:32,104 Speaker 1: but she had to write really quickly. She'd left Vogue. 292 00:12:32,264 --> 00:12:34,304 Speaker 1: She had this moment in time where she was shopping 293 00:12:34,304 --> 00:12:36,504 Speaker 1: around the idea and they just bought the idea off 294 00:12:36,544 --> 00:12:38,024 Speaker 1: the fact that it was going to be a bit 295 00:12:38,024 --> 00:12:41,104 Speaker 1: of a tell all of Anna wind Tour. And so 296 00:12:41,144 --> 00:12:43,264 Speaker 1: the book itself isn't great. Like She's got on to 297 00:12:43,304 --> 00:12:45,064 Speaker 1: write better books, and so that's why I think they've 298 00:12:45,104 --> 00:12:46,984 Speaker 1: taken the story. But I know, what do you think? 299 00:12:47,064 --> 00:12:48,624 Speaker 1: Are you gonna go watch this movie? I mean, of 300 00:12:48,624 --> 00:12:50,384 Speaker 1: course I'm gonna go see it. I'm sure you're gonna 301 00:12:50,384 --> 00:12:51,744 Speaker 1: go see it. Oh yeah, well I'm gonna be the 302 00:12:51,784 --> 00:12:53,344 Speaker 1: first one through the door. But this is what I'm 303 00:12:53,344 --> 00:12:53,904 Speaker 1: gonna like it. 304 00:12:54,264 --> 00:12:56,744 Speaker 2: No, but I will participate in the cultural experience that 305 00:12:56,904 --> 00:12:59,464 Speaker 2: is watching a sequel to such a beloved film. So 306 00:12:59,704 --> 00:13:01,784 Speaker 2: the original Devil was prior of two thousand and six, 307 00:13:01,824 --> 00:13:03,904 Speaker 2: It's twenty years old next year when this next one's 308 00:13:03,944 --> 00:13:08,224 Speaker 2: coming out. It is a moment captured so perfectly in time, 309 00:13:08,624 --> 00:13:11,624 Speaker 2: everything from the wardrobe and the fashion to the way 310 00:13:11,664 --> 00:13:15,144 Speaker 2: that they use technology like we work in a digital publisher. Yeah, 311 00:13:15,184 --> 00:13:17,344 Speaker 2: it is so different from what we would do here 312 00:13:17,464 --> 00:13:20,504 Speaker 2: day to day. And I think that's just really nostalgic 313 00:13:20,584 --> 00:13:23,064 Speaker 2: and fun and there's something really kitch about it. Yeah, 314 00:13:23,264 --> 00:13:24,544 Speaker 2: doesn't need a sequel. 315 00:13:24,944 --> 00:13:27,024 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm still gonna watch it. I am 316 00:13:27,024 --> 00:13:28,184 Speaker 1: also the person. 317 00:13:27,864 --> 00:13:30,464 Speaker 2: That will forever fly the flag of Most TV series 318 00:13:30,504 --> 00:13:31,744 Speaker 2: should end after one season. 319 00:13:31,824 --> 00:13:34,384 Speaker 1: Oh okay, well we wildly differ on that. Yeah, I 320 00:13:34,424 --> 00:13:36,544 Speaker 1: think a good TV show needs at least four seasons 321 00:13:36,544 --> 00:13:38,304 Speaker 1: for it to really get into the meat. See, I 322 00:13:38,304 --> 00:13:39,144 Speaker 1: don't know what's happening. 323 00:13:39,224 --> 00:13:40,864 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's controversial to say or not, 324 00:13:40,904 --> 00:13:42,624 Speaker 2: but things like only murders in the building and the 325 00:13:42,624 --> 00:13:43,944 Speaker 2: bed should have sped one. 326 00:13:44,184 --> 00:13:45,944 Speaker 1: Okay, well they're not on my favorite TV show list, 327 00:13:45,984 --> 00:13:48,624 Speaker 1: so those ones one and done Sea, Yeah, one and done. 328 00:13:48,784 --> 00:13:53,344 Speaker 2: Twenty two episodes and for their safe and protective. 329 00:13:53,344 --> 00:13:55,744 Speaker 1: That's the world I live in. That's the thing about 330 00:13:55,784 --> 00:13:57,664 Speaker 1: Devil Wears. Part of those is because I watched it recently. 331 00:13:57,704 --> 00:13:59,144 Speaker 1: I watched it all the time because it's one of 332 00:13:59,144 --> 00:14:01,424 Speaker 1: those movies that you just can there's no bad scenes, 333 00:14:01,464 --> 00:14:04,544 Speaker 1: there's no lagging moments. It just moves so perfectly. And 334 00:14:04,584 --> 00:14:06,344 Speaker 1: the thing I noticed about it is like, even though 335 00:14:06,344 --> 00:14:09,984 Speaker 1: it's twenty years on, like the fashion still looks amazing. Sure, 336 00:14:10,024 --> 00:14:12,624 Speaker 1: all the dialogue just works, the themes of what they're 337 00:14:12,664 --> 00:14:14,784 Speaker 1: going through, Like I feel like we're just a small 338 00:14:14,824 --> 00:14:18,344 Speaker 1: little tweaks. That movie feels like it could be made today. 339 00:14:18,824 --> 00:14:20,944 Speaker 1: If there was like some website girls running around in 340 00:14:20,944 --> 00:14:23,504 Speaker 1: the background, it would be almost a fashion magazine today. 341 00:14:23,544 --> 00:14:25,864 Speaker 1: Obviously the budget sign as high, but it feels like 342 00:14:25,904 --> 00:14:28,984 Speaker 1: it's like a perfect time capsule that also doesn't date, 343 00:14:29,024 --> 00:14:31,104 Speaker 1: which I feel like most movies don't feel like that. 344 00:14:31,504 --> 00:14:33,584 Speaker 2: Well, you will all have to be the judge with us. 345 00:14:33,584 --> 00:14:35,504 Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll all be lining up together on the 346 00:14:35,584 --> 00:14:38,264 Speaker 2: first of May twenty twenty six. That, yes, okay, we'll 347 00:14:38,264 --> 00:14:40,624 Speaker 2: report back then. 348 00:14:40,384 --> 00:14:40,984 Speaker 1: Okay, Laura. 349 00:14:41,064 --> 00:14:43,624 Speaker 2: One of the biggest stories to come out of the 350 00:14:43,704 --> 00:14:46,304 Speaker 2: entertainment world, and it's something that is ongoing, is the 351 00:14:46,544 --> 00:14:48,944 Speaker 2: Diddy trial. So Shawan Didty Combs. As we know, he 352 00:14:49,224 --> 00:14:51,464 Speaker 2: is on a federal trial right now in New York 353 00:14:51,504 --> 00:14:55,624 Speaker 2: City in Manhattan for a number of crimes, racketeering, trafficking, 354 00:14:55,664 --> 00:14:57,944 Speaker 2: so on and so forth. The list goes on one 355 00:14:57,944 --> 00:14:59,264 Speaker 2: of the big things, and I know you guys have 356 00:14:59,304 --> 00:15:01,024 Speaker 2: been covering it. Here on the spill is all the 357 00:15:01,304 --> 00:15:05,304 Speaker 2: celebrities quote unquote involved in this case. So we already 358 00:15:05,344 --> 00:15:06,984 Speaker 2: know that a whole bunch of names have been thrown 359 00:15:07,024 --> 00:15:09,064 Speaker 2: around the courtroom in what context? 360 00:15:09,144 --> 00:15:10,224 Speaker 1: Though? Is the kicker? 361 00:15:10,344 --> 00:15:14,544 Speaker 2: Well the latest name and folks who've been looking around 362 00:15:14,544 --> 00:15:17,304 Speaker 2: online would have seen this in a headline, probably is 363 00:15:17,344 --> 00:15:20,664 Speaker 2: Britney Spears. I didn't think there was much of a 364 00:15:20,704 --> 00:15:24,464 Speaker 2: connection between Ditty and Brittany until I started reading and researching. 365 00:15:24,984 --> 00:15:26,904 Speaker 2: Do you want to fill us in on how this 366 00:15:26,984 --> 00:15:30,744 Speaker 2: particular celebrity has drawn attention to themselves as part of 367 00:15:30,824 --> 00:15:31,424 Speaker 2: Ditty's trial. 368 00:15:31,624 --> 00:15:34,344 Speaker 1: Yes, So it was Cassie Venturo who mentioned Britney's name 369 00:15:34,624 --> 00:15:38,344 Speaker 1: during the trial. So Cassie is Shawn Cromes's ex partner 370 00:15:38,504 --> 00:15:41,424 Speaker 1: and one of the key witnesses in this trial. We 371 00:15:41,504 --> 00:15:43,664 Speaker 1: spoke on this before, but she's been on the stand 372 00:15:43,744 --> 00:15:47,224 Speaker 1: giving a really hurrying testimony about her involvement with Sean 373 00:15:47,304 --> 00:15:50,904 Speaker 1: Colmes and all the allegations against him. She's also heavily 374 00:15:50,944 --> 00:15:53,144 Speaker 1: pregnant and really, like you can see, that's really taking 375 00:15:53,144 --> 00:15:55,584 Speaker 1: a toll on her to tell these stories. But one 376 00:15:55,624 --> 00:15:58,144 Speaker 1: story that recently came out is she was talking about 377 00:15:58,344 --> 00:16:01,904 Speaker 1: when she and Shawn Crimes first started their relationship and 378 00:16:01,984 --> 00:16:05,744 Speaker 1: how he surprised her at her twenty first birthday celebration. 379 00:16:06,224 --> 00:16:08,424 Speaker 1: And she was talking about this in the context of 380 00:16:08,664 --> 00:16:11,064 Speaker 1: the way that she alleges that he really love bombed 381 00:16:11,064 --> 00:16:13,504 Speaker 1: her at the start of the relationship and was kind 382 00:16:13,544 --> 00:16:16,344 Speaker 1: of sweeping her off her feet. And so she says 383 00:16:16,384 --> 00:16:19,384 Speaker 1: that Shawn Combs brought Britney Spears to her twenty first 384 00:16:19,424 --> 00:16:22,664 Speaker 1: birthday celebration as you know, kind of a way to 385 00:16:23,304 --> 00:16:26,784 Speaker 1: show like his powate influence and how his connection yeah, exactly, 386 00:16:26,824 --> 00:16:28,864 Speaker 1: and bringing the biggest pop star in the world to 387 00:16:29,024 --> 00:16:31,864 Speaker 1: her birthday. What goes on then is that she talks 388 00:16:31,904 --> 00:16:34,544 Speaker 1: about Britney Spears being there and a few other people, 389 00:16:34,584 --> 00:16:37,664 Speaker 1: and it's such a brief mention, but obviously all the 390 00:16:37,704 --> 00:16:39,984 Speaker 1: headlines have been picked up around it. She's trying to 391 00:16:39,984 --> 00:16:41,904 Speaker 1: mention all the different people who were there and like 392 00:16:41,904 --> 00:16:44,064 Speaker 1: Britney Spears is the one she remembers, which I think, 393 00:16:44,104 --> 00:16:46,344 Speaker 1: of course. But what's happened then It's had this huge 394 00:16:46,384 --> 00:16:49,864 Speaker 1: flow and effect where all the photos from that night 395 00:16:49,944 --> 00:16:53,624 Speaker 1: have now been unearthed and they show Britney Spears kind 396 00:16:53,664 --> 00:16:56,824 Speaker 1: of out on a huge bender with Sean Combs. But 397 00:16:56,904 --> 00:16:59,584 Speaker 1: the reason that this is really interesting is that it 398 00:16:59,664 --> 00:17:04,424 Speaker 1: took place the night before Britney Spears very infamously performed 399 00:17:04,464 --> 00:17:08,024 Speaker 1: at the two thousand and seven MTV Music Video Awards. 400 00:17:08,384 --> 00:17:11,224 Speaker 1: So you can see that in these research photo she's 401 00:17:11,264 --> 00:17:14,744 Speaker 1: at the Jet nightclub in Las Vegas out with Sean Combs. 402 00:17:14,744 --> 00:17:17,504 Speaker 1: She's out with Paris Hilton and fifty cent and it 403 00:17:17,584 --> 00:17:20,304 Speaker 1: looks like they're sort of partying and you know, dancing 404 00:17:20,344 --> 00:17:22,624 Speaker 1: out and about until the very early hours of the morning. 405 00:17:23,064 --> 00:17:26,424 Speaker 1: And why this is interesting is that the next day, 406 00:17:26,624 --> 00:17:28,944 Speaker 1: this is in the middle of Britney Spears having that 407 00:17:29,024 --> 00:17:31,504 Speaker 1: big breakdown, that very public breakdown in two thousand and 408 00:17:31,544 --> 00:17:32,664 Speaker 1: six and two thousand and five. 409 00:17:32,984 --> 00:17:35,664 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent, it's right in that peak period 410 00:17:35,744 --> 00:17:38,784 Speaker 2: of the Britney meltdown. There was paparazzi that followed her 411 00:17:38,864 --> 00:17:39,824 Speaker 2: absolutely everywhere. 412 00:17:39,824 --> 00:17:41,104 Speaker 1: It was literally. 413 00:17:40,744 --> 00:17:43,424 Speaker 2: Inescapable, both for her but also for us because it 414 00:17:43,464 --> 00:17:45,624 Speaker 2: is all people talked about. It was on the front 415 00:17:45,664 --> 00:17:48,144 Speaker 2: page of every magazine. And I think now we look 416 00:17:48,184 --> 00:17:50,344 Speaker 2: back on that time and hindsight's that beautiful thing of 417 00:17:50,624 --> 00:17:52,624 Speaker 2: or we really should have just left her alone. She 418 00:17:52,704 --> 00:17:54,704 Speaker 2: was clearly going through something and we all now have 419 00:17:54,784 --> 00:17:57,464 Speaker 2: to reconcile with that. But yes, this is all occurring 420 00:17:57,504 --> 00:18:00,344 Speaker 2: in the thick of that Britney meltdown moment. 421 00:18:00,584 --> 00:18:02,864 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. So all that footage had come out of 422 00:18:02,904 --> 00:18:05,904 Speaker 1: her shaving her head, of taking the umbrella and hitting 423 00:18:05,904 --> 00:18:09,304 Speaker 1: the paparazzi car, videos of her driving with her young 424 00:18:09,424 --> 00:18:11,384 Speaker 1: sons on her lap with seat belts and all that 425 00:18:11,424 --> 00:18:13,144 Speaker 1: sort of stuff, and a lot of that stuff she's 426 00:18:13,184 --> 00:18:15,304 Speaker 1: now talked about and explained in her memoir, like her 427 00:18:15,424 --> 00:18:18,064 Speaker 1: side of the story, but it was really just after 428 00:18:18,144 --> 00:18:20,624 Speaker 1: she'd gone from being like the very biggest pop star 429 00:18:20,704 --> 00:18:23,544 Speaker 1: in the world to having all these headlines around her, 430 00:18:23,584 --> 00:18:25,424 Speaker 1: and at this time, her team were really trying to 431 00:18:25,464 --> 00:18:28,904 Speaker 1: rehabilitate her image and basically keep making money off her 432 00:18:28,904 --> 00:18:30,944 Speaker 1: and saying like she's back, like the old Brittany. I 433 00:18:30,984 --> 00:18:33,904 Speaker 1: actually remember, like in two thousand and seven, the huge 434 00:18:33,944 --> 00:18:37,104 Speaker 1: build up to her being at this show Music Show 435 00:18:37,104 --> 00:18:39,224 Speaker 1: and her opening and give Me More. That her song 436 00:18:39,264 --> 00:18:41,624 Speaker 1: had come out and it was playing on every radio 437 00:18:41,664 --> 00:18:43,384 Speaker 1: station over and over and it was such a bop, 438 00:18:43,384 --> 00:18:45,144 Speaker 1: and it really did feel like Brittany was back, Like 439 00:18:45,144 --> 00:18:46,624 Speaker 1: I so remember this because I was such I mean, 440 00:18:46,664 --> 00:18:48,104 Speaker 1: I'm still a fangirl of her, but I was such 441 00:18:48,104 --> 00:18:50,584 Speaker 1: a fangirl of her, like in my teen years at 442 00:18:50,584 --> 00:18:53,104 Speaker 1: that time, and like seen as you're saying, like all 443 00:18:53,144 --> 00:18:55,664 Speaker 1: that tabloid coverage and then there was this promise that 444 00:18:55,704 --> 00:18:58,064 Speaker 1: she was going to come back, and then she came 445 00:18:58,064 --> 00:19:01,144 Speaker 1: out onto the VMA stage and from the moment she 446 00:19:01,144 --> 00:19:03,464 Speaker 1: stepped onto that stage, I mean, when you rewatch her now, 447 00:19:03,624 --> 00:19:05,144 Speaker 1: it's just a complete disaster. 448 00:19:05,384 --> 00:19:08,304 Speaker 2: It's really really hard to watch. So I've been looking 449 00:19:08,304 --> 00:19:10,744 Speaker 2: around at it today and there's both a video footage 450 00:19:10,824 --> 00:19:14,144 Speaker 2: of the actual awards ceremony but also the pre show 451 00:19:14,184 --> 00:19:16,984 Speaker 2: rehearsal as well, and they've sort of interspliced the two, 452 00:19:17,024 --> 00:19:19,504 Speaker 2: and it is like chalk and cheese almost of her 453 00:19:19,904 --> 00:19:23,864 Speaker 2: pre all this partying really like professional, it's really sharp 454 00:19:23,904 --> 00:19:26,704 Speaker 2: and it's dynamic, and then you cut to after all 455 00:19:26,744 --> 00:19:29,944 Speaker 2: of this alleged partying with Diddy and the next day 456 00:19:29,944 --> 00:19:32,704 Speaker 2: when the performance happens, and it's, like I said, it's 457 00:19:32,704 --> 00:19:35,584 Speaker 2: a hard watch. She's fairly hanging on. It's almost like 458 00:19:35,624 --> 00:19:38,504 Speaker 2: there's nothing going on behind her eyes. She almost I 459 00:19:38,544 --> 00:19:41,344 Speaker 2: feel like at some points falls asleep, almost falls over. Yeah, 460 00:19:41,384 --> 00:19:44,144 Speaker 2: she's stumbling quite a bit, and really a testament to 461 00:19:44,304 --> 00:19:46,544 Speaker 2: probably what happened in the hours before she got on stage. 462 00:19:46,584 --> 00:19:49,144 Speaker 2: Oh exactly, Like this is just information that we didn't 463 00:19:49,144 --> 00:19:51,904 Speaker 2: have before, which again makes watching like that clip of 464 00:19:51,944 --> 00:19:55,104 Speaker 2: her performing and like so harrowing because I remember watching 465 00:19:55,104 --> 00:19:56,744 Speaker 2: this live and just thinking that she looks like she 466 00:19:56,784 --> 00:20:00,424 Speaker 2: has no idea where she is. She's stumbling through her dancing, 467 00:20:00,784 --> 00:20:03,584 Speaker 2: her backup dances like really in sync. She just sometimes 468 00:20:03,584 --> 00:20:07,184 Speaker 2: just stops dancing. She wanders across the stage. At one stage, 469 00:20:07,224 --> 00:20:09,264 Speaker 2: she kind of falls to the side and is very 470 00:20:09,344 --> 00:20:12,744 Speaker 2: kind of like shocked and just kind of ends and 471 00:20:12,824 --> 00:20:15,424 Speaker 2: walks off, and I think also lip syncing out of time, 472 00:20:15,864 --> 00:20:17,544 Speaker 2: and yeah, just all of this stuff where it's like 473 00:20:17,624 --> 00:20:19,864 Speaker 2: it's so jarring to watch and you see the camera 474 00:20:19,904 --> 00:20:22,624 Speaker 2: panel of the audience and everyone's looking really shocked, and 475 00:20:22,664 --> 00:20:24,944 Speaker 2: some people are looking really concerned because they're probably just like, 476 00:20:24,984 --> 00:20:27,504 Speaker 2: this woman should not be on the stage. And it 477 00:20:27,624 --> 00:20:30,064 Speaker 2: was just hard because up until that moment, out of 478 00:20:30,104 --> 00:20:32,544 Speaker 2: all those pop girlies at the time, as the best 479 00:20:32,664 --> 00:20:35,384 Speaker 2: live performer as even though she lip syncd a lot, 480 00:20:35,424 --> 00:20:37,584 Speaker 2: only she can sing, but just because she was doing 481 00:20:37,744 --> 00:20:41,904 Speaker 2: this high intensity dance moves the whole time, she would 482 00:20:41,904 --> 00:20:45,144 Speaker 2: go on stage for two hours and just like perform 483 00:20:45,184 --> 00:20:47,264 Speaker 2: her heart out and she would like banter with the 484 00:20:47,304 --> 00:20:49,024 Speaker 2: audience and like she was just one of those people 485 00:20:49,064 --> 00:20:51,664 Speaker 2: everyone's like her stage presence is incredible. Well, she's like 486 00:20:51,664 --> 00:20:54,304 Speaker 2: a true entertainer, yeah, because she can sing, she can dance, 487 00:20:54,384 --> 00:20:57,224 Speaker 2: she can act, and she really built those big live 488 00:20:57,264 --> 00:21:00,544 Speaker 2: shows and that reputation of holding an audience for a 489 00:21:00,584 --> 00:21:04,464 Speaker 2: live show on the fact that her dancing was so incredible. 490 00:21:04,664 --> 00:21:06,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, something that's really. 491 00:21:05,984 --> 00:21:09,704 Speaker 2: Interesting for context here is that this performance the two 492 00:21:09,704 --> 00:21:12,944 Speaker 2: thousand and seven MTV Video Music Video Awards was in 493 00:21:12,984 --> 00:21:16,824 Speaker 2: September two thousand and seven. It's happened allegedly after this 494 00:21:16,864 --> 00:21:19,904 Speaker 2: big night with Diddy, and it's right on the brink 495 00:21:19,944 --> 00:21:22,504 Speaker 2: of when her conservative ship starts as well, so that 496 00:21:22,584 --> 00:21:24,384 Speaker 2: kicks off in two thousand and eight, so you can 497 00:21:24,424 --> 00:21:28,504 Speaker 2: imagine this is Britney post meltdown. They're telling you this 498 00:21:28,584 --> 00:21:30,784 Speaker 2: is Brittany's a return, but then she's kind of also 499 00:21:30,864 --> 00:21:32,864 Speaker 2: about to head into a conservative ship, so a lot 500 00:21:32,904 --> 00:21:35,024 Speaker 2: of her rights are about to be revoked, and it's 501 00:21:35,104 --> 00:21:38,584 Speaker 2: right in this moment in between those two big things happening, 502 00:21:39,144 --> 00:21:41,424 Speaker 2: where she maybe hits the pavement again and goes out 503 00:21:41,464 --> 00:21:44,544 Speaker 2: with Diddy, and then all we now have as evidence 504 00:21:44,584 --> 00:21:46,704 Speaker 2: of that is this performance that is really a hard 505 00:21:46,704 --> 00:21:48,304 Speaker 2: watch in twenty twenty five. 506 00:21:48,584 --> 00:21:51,264 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, it does. I mean at the time, I 507 00:21:51,264 --> 00:21:53,424 Speaker 1: guess like maybe some people were aware of what was 508 00:21:53,424 --> 00:21:55,224 Speaker 1: going on. I don't think I really was. I just 509 00:21:55,264 --> 00:21:57,424 Speaker 1: thought she was kind of it was this comeback, But 510 00:21:57,464 --> 00:21:59,424 Speaker 1: then it does feel like a bunch of people who 511 00:21:59,784 --> 00:22:02,064 Speaker 1: make money of her had just pushed her on stage 512 00:22:02,344 --> 00:22:04,944 Speaker 1: to like perform like a monkey, because they wanted those 513 00:22:05,024 --> 00:22:07,744 Speaker 1: checks to start rolling in again. And it's interesting because 514 00:22:07,784 --> 00:22:10,024 Speaker 1: when her memoir came out, the woman and me, she 515 00:22:10,144 --> 00:22:12,904 Speaker 1: right about the lead up to that performance. She hasn't 516 00:22:12,944 --> 00:22:15,504 Speaker 1: put anything in there that I can remember about Sean Combs, 517 00:22:15,544 --> 00:22:17,744 Speaker 1: so I feel like that's the kind of new information 518 00:22:17,824 --> 00:22:20,504 Speaker 1: that's come out. But she said leading up to the performance, 519 00:22:20,584 --> 00:22:22,824 Speaker 1: nothing was going right. She said, there was a problem 520 00:22:22,824 --> 00:22:25,304 Speaker 1: with my costume and with my hair extensions. She does 521 00:22:25,344 --> 00:22:27,224 Speaker 1: write in the book, I hadn't slept the night before, 522 00:22:27,304 --> 00:22:30,544 Speaker 1: so I was really really dizzy, And she also writes 523 00:22:30,584 --> 00:22:33,584 Speaker 1: that she was really nervous about bumping into some Timberlake 524 00:22:33,904 --> 00:22:35,864 Speaker 1: because it had been a while since she'd seen him 525 00:22:35,904 --> 00:22:39,264 Speaker 1: and she was really acutely aware that he was going 526 00:22:39,304 --> 00:22:41,104 Speaker 1: to be in the audience and watching her. 527 00:22:41,344 --> 00:22:44,464 Speaker 2: It's a perfect storm. Yeah, it's totally a perfect storm 528 00:22:44,544 --> 00:22:47,384 Speaker 2: of what should have been a great comeback, but also 529 00:22:47,704 --> 00:22:50,464 Speaker 2: the continuing downfall at that point for bringing sweel. 530 00:22:50,664 --> 00:22:53,664 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So, I mean I do feel a bit 531 00:22:53,664 --> 00:22:55,944 Speaker 1: bad for her that all this is being dredged up again, 532 00:22:55,984 --> 00:22:57,784 Speaker 1: But I think maybe, like some people will look at 533 00:22:57,784 --> 00:22:59,904 Speaker 1: it with a bit more empathy. I know her book 534 00:22:59,944 --> 00:23:01,944 Speaker 1: certainly did that, especially when she talks about her costume, 535 00:23:01,944 --> 00:23:04,264 Speaker 1: because her costume on stage is were also like I 536 00:23:04,304 --> 00:23:07,144 Speaker 1: just know those photos everywhere, like across every magazine because 537 00:23:07,144 --> 00:23:09,104 Speaker 1: she was wearing a two piece and there was a 538 00:23:09,144 --> 00:23:11,104 Speaker 1: lot of chat that it wasn't fit properly and that 539 00:23:11,144 --> 00:23:12,984 Speaker 1: her stomach didn't look the way that people thought it 540 00:23:13,024 --> 00:23:15,224 Speaker 1: was going to look. And I remember so many magazines 541 00:23:15,304 --> 00:23:18,504 Speaker 1: running the picture and having circles around like where like 542 00:23:18,544 --> 00:23:20,304 Speaker 1: a little bit of fat was coming over the top 543 00:23:20,304 --> 00:23:22,464 Speaker 1: of her shorts. I have it with the magazine days. 544 00:23:22,544 --> 00:23:24,744 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know. I mean, I guess TikTok 545 00:23:24,784 --> 00:23:27,024 Speaker 1: kind of does that now, but like, yeah, the magazines 546 00:23:27,064 --> 00:23:29,544 Speaker 1: are really brutal, and her talking about how she hadn't 547 00:23:29,544 --> 00:23:32,064 Speaker 1: slept the night before and then knowing what we know 548 00:23:32,144 --> 00:23:35,384 Speaker 1: now about the Sean Combs allegations and like how intense 549 00:23:35,424 --> 00:23:37,504 Speaker 1: those nights out were and everything I should say, Like 550 00:23:37,544 --> 00:23:40,024 Speaker 1: I think some people also putting like her and Cassie's 551 00:23:40,104 --> 00:23:42,344 Speaker 1: names together a little bit. And Cassie hasn't alleged that 552 00:23:42,744 --> 00:23:45,624 Speaker 1: anything happened to Brittany or that Britain saw anything, just 553 00:23:45,704 --> 00:23:47,824 Speaker 1: that it was this big night out, but then knowing 554 00:23:47,824 --> 00:23:50,664 Speaker 1: that Big Night Out led to this disastrous performance, I 555 00:23:50,704 --> 00:23:52,464 Speaker 1: think has like really dredged it all up again. 556 00:23:52,624 --> 00:23:54,744 Speaker 2: Yeah, two names that I wouldn't put together as part 557 00:23:54,744 --> 00:23:56,624 Speaker 2: of the Diddy trial, But it is interesting that this 558 00:23:56,784 --> 00:23:58,464 Speaker 2: is one of the many things that I am sure 559 00:23:58,504 --> 00:24:00,504 Speaker 2: will come up given the fact that this trial is 560 00:24:00,544 --> 00:24:03,344 Speaker 2: so entrenched in Hollywood culture and entertainment culture. 561 00:24:03,784 --> 00:24:06,184 Speaker 1: There's so much information coming about this trial. So we'll 562 00:24:06,224 --> 00:24:08,464 Speaker 1: link an article in our show notes from Mamma Mia 563 00:24:08,504 --> 00:24:10,584 Speaker 1: that has all of the celebrity names that have been 564 00:24:10,664 --> 00:24:12,904 Speaker 1: mentioned so far and the story is behind them. And 565 00:24:12,944 --> 00:24:14,144 Speaker 1: we still have a few more weeks to go of 566 00:24:14,224 --> 00:24:16,344 Speaker 1: this trial, so I'm sure even more celebrity names will 567 00:24:16,344 --> 00:24:17,304 Speaker 1: be added to this list. 568 00:24:17,744 --> 00:24:20,304 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening to The Spill today. Hey, 569 00:24:20,304 --> 00:24:22,384 Speaker 2: don't forget to follow the Spill on TikTok. 570 00:24:22,464 --> 00:24:24,664 Speaker 1: Laura. You're on TikTok now, I know, because we're cool 571 00:24:24,704 --> 00:24:26,144 Speaker 1: and fun. 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