Speaker 1: You're listening to a mother Mia podcast.
Speaker 2: Hi, No Felter listeners, it's Katelinebrook Here. We're bringing back
Speaker 2: this conversation with Kayla Jade following the release of her
Speaker 2: new book Call Girl Confidential, because when this episode first
Speaker 2: came out last year, so many of you were completely
Speaker 2: captivated by Kayla's story. At the time, Kayla was known
Speaker 2: for her hugely viral tiktoks, but in this interview she
Speaker 2: shared so much more than what people had seen online.
Speaker 2: She opened up about the double life she was living,
Speaker 2: the reality of working in the sex industry, and the
Speaker 2: deeply personal experiences she hadn't spoken about publicly before. It's raw, surprising, funny,
Speaker 2: incredibly revealing and searingly honest. So if you missed it
Speaker 2: the first time around, here is my conversation with Kayla Jade.
Speaker 2: Was Peggy Sue, Peter Dutton, I don't want to get sued, okay,
Speaker 2: and yet, in a really strange sort of way, I
Speaker 2: think it played a part in affecting the outcome of
Speaker 2: an election.
Speaker 3: Sorry about that, Peter Dutta.
Speaker 2: Oh Well, Today on No Filter, we're talking pegging and
Speaker 2: porn and what happens when a sex worker accidentally or
Speaker 2: by design, becomes one of the most recognizable women on
Speaker 2: the Internet in Australia. Kayla Jade is a Gold Coast mum,
Speaker 2: a content creator, a full service sex worker, and TikTok's
Speaker 2: storytime girl. One minute, she's counting cash on camera, a
Speaker 2: lot of cash. The next she's flying halfway across the
Speaker 2: world to sleep with an a lister. She's been doxed, stalked, adored,
Speaker 2: and almost died on an operating table in Turkey, and
Speaker 2: now she's living in the car, raising her kids and
Speaker 2: launching an empire. We talk clients, secrets, celebrity flings and yes,
Speaker 2: Peggy Sue, So pull up a seat. This is one
Speaker 2: story Kayla Jade wasn't supposed to.
Speaker 1: Tell, but of course she does. Kayla Jade.
Speaker 2: Do I call you Kayla or are you the full
Speaker 2: blue eyed Kayla Jade?
Speaker 4: To call me Kaylor, that's my name.
Speaker 1: Welcome to No Filter.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: And often, you know, when we have guests on the pod,
Speaker 2: we have to remind them that the show is called
Speaker 2: No Filter. But I don't think that I have to
Speaker 2: remind you.
Speaker 3: No pretty much.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I post a little bit too much on the Internet,
Speaker 5: so I'm sure we won't have a problem today.
Speaker 2: But you're very interesting because you are, among many things,
Speaker 2: a sex worker, and you have really stepped into yourself
Speaker 2: and the truth of your life, firstly in a professional
Speaker 2: capacity but also in a personal capacity that I think
Speaker 2: has kind of changed things.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's definitely you know, it hasn't been
Speaker 5: anything that's planned. It's all just come naturally. So I'm
Speaker 5: sort of learning as I go to you know, be
Speaker 5: a content creator because I guess I had dabbled a
Speaker 5: bit in it before, but never to this level. So
Speaker 5: it's just like a whole learning curve and you know,
Speaker 5: adapting to my audience to make sure that I'm you know,
Speaker 5: giving out the best information and you know, telling the
Speaker 5: RWs of it as well, and not trying to just
Speaker 5: like make it seem like it's all glitz and glamour,
Speaker 5: because you know, it's definitely not the industry that is
Speaker 5: like that. There's a lot of bad stuff to it too,
Speaker 5: So I guess just.
Speaker 3: From the start, you know, showing that every side of it.
Speaker 2: When you were little growing up in New Zealand in
Speaker 2: a small town, who was Kayla Jade?
Speaker 1: Then? What were you like as a as a kid.
Speaker 5: Ah, I guess like little me, like I always had
Speaker 5: like a good family life, social life, but I guess
Speaker 5: in a way, I always struggled a little bit throughout
Speaker 5: school because I had ADHD, but I was undiagnosed, So
Speaker 5: I guess a lot of my life I was thinking.
Speaker 3: Like, you know, what's wrong with me?
Speaker 5: Like why can't I, you know, act a certain way
Speaker 5: or be normal in a way, And like ADHD was
Speaker 5: just never on the cards for me because it, like
Speaker 5: especially in females, it's much harder to diagnose because I
Speaker 5: wasn't like the hyper.
Speaker 3: Kid at school.
Speaker 5: You know, I was actually quite quiet and just like
Speaker 5: I was always just chill throughout my whole life, probably
Speaker 5: a little bit too chill that I'm just like away
Speaker 5: with the furies and have no idea.
Speaker 3: What's going on.
Speaker 5: But as soon as I was diagnosed, like later in life,
Speaker 5: when I was about like twenty nine, it was only
Speaker 5: a couple of years ago, I.
Speaker 3: Was just like, it makes so much sense.
Speaker 5: Why I was like this as a child, and you
Speaker 5: know why I acted a certain way and why I
Speaker 5: always had to ask, you know, my friends around me
Speaker 5: what's going on because I just had no idea so
Speaker 5: I guess a lot of that, Like getting diagnosed was
Speaker 5: definitely like, you know, another piece to the puzzle, Like, oh,
Speaker 5: this makes so much sense.
Speaker 1: When you were growing up, what was your you?
Speaker 2: So you said you just had like kind of a
Speaker 2: traditional family, very close fun.
Speaker 1: It was you and your sister.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I was so just like you know, a
Speaker 5: middle class family. You know, we got by.
Speaker 2: So when you felt that you were a little bit
Speaker 2: different to everybody else, but not necessarily, it sounds.
Speaker 1: Like in a bad way.
Speaker 2: No, did you always feel that you had a story
Speaker 2: to tell?
Speaker 3: Honestly, Like, no, I had.
Speaker 5: I had no idea what was gonna happen in my
Speaker 5: life or my future. I don't know if it's part
Speaker 5: of like an ADHD thing, but I never thought past
Speaker 5: the present day really, So I was just like, I
Speaker 5: guess my personality type of always been like go with
Speaker 5: the flow. Whatever happens, happens. If it's good, great, If
Speaker 5: it's not, we'll get through it.
Speaker 3: There's just always been like the way I've worked.
Speaker 5: So I've never really thought of, you know, coming here
Speaker 5: today and telling my story.
Speaker 3: It's crazy because like.
Speaker 5: You know, you grow up in a small town and
Speaker 5: like a lot of people around you.
Speaker 3: Like, I just saw everyone was just doing the.
Speaker 5: Same thing, and I guess I thought that was going
Speaker 5: to be my trajectory as well.
Speaker 2: What did you think that trajectory was going to be? Like,
Speaker 2: what would your life have looked like?
Speaker 3: I had no idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you had your boyfriend, so it would have
Speaker 2: been kind of settling down quite traditional.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when I when I moved to a that's.
Speaker 3: When I met my part my ex partner.
Speaker 5: But yeah, in New Zealand, I was just sort of
Speaker 5: floating around and trying different things.
Speaker 1: And what was your impetus that made you?
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a crazy question to ask in
Speaker 2: New Zealander because there's so many of you guys here,
Speaker 2: But what made you come across the Dutch?
Speaker 3: Oh? What made me come across?
Speaker 5: Just opportunity, you know, Like obviously in New Zealand we
Speaker 5: have lower wages and everything's much more expensive, so living
Speaker 5: there is hard. And you know, I would see a
Speaker 5: lot of my friends just I guess, get into drugs
Speaker 5: or like drink every day because that's all they knew,
Speaker 5: and you know, they were just working the regular jobs.
Speaker 5: And I just knew that, like, I didn't want that
Speaker 5: for my life. Like I just saw, you know, my
Speaker 5: friends go through that, my family go through that. So
Speaker 5: I had an opportunity where it was like a sliding
Speaker 5: doors moment. I was like, I can move to Australia
Speaker 5: and see what happens, or I can stay here and
Speaker 5: just do this for the rest of my life. So
Speaker 5: I just chose, like, right, I'm just gonna I'm pretty impulsive,
Speaker 5: so I was just like fuck it, booked a flight
Speaker 5: the next day and was like, Okay, we're gone Hi,
Speaker 5: and that's what happened.
Speaker 2: And then you landed where your coast yes, ah, yeah.
Speaker 5: So I moved over here and I knew like one
Speaker 5: person here, but I had no family or friends.
Speaker 3: I was staying in a random sheer.
Speaker 5: House with like two other guys and a couple, and
Speaker 5: I was just sort of figuring everything out.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I was just lucky that it worked out.
Speaker 1: It sure did work out.
Speaker 2: At what point did you go, oh, there's something happening here.
Speaker 2: Was it that your first TikTok that changed things?
Speaker 5: No? Actually, so it just happened randomly, Like I didn't
Speaker 5: expect it when I started, because I started only fans. Actually,
Speaker 5: it was after the pandemic and I could I just
Speaker 5: saw so many amazing women making so much money and
Speaker 5: getting the money themselves, you know, not giving it to
Speaker 5: anyone else. Men making a lot of banks. So I
Speaker 5: just it just naturally clicked in me. I was like,
Speaker 5: I think I can make money through this.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I had no idea.
Speaker 5: I had no sex work of friends, so I had
Speaker 5: to basically google how.
Speaker 3: To make an only fans, and yeah, I just started
Speaker 3: straight away.
Speaker 5: I was like, if I'm going to put this stuff
Speaker 5: out there, I'm going to go all out.
Speaker 3: And that's what I did.
Speaker 5: I immediately I had no social media following. I actually
Speaker 5: started posting on Reddit randomly and then sorry, I got
Speaker 5: a lot of because I was posting in a lot
Speaker 5: of subreddits and there's a lot of like kink subreddits.
Speaker 5: So I was just posting, posting, posting, like I lived
Speaker 5: and breathed that for the first like a little while,
Speaker 5: and then I started doing I started on Instagram and
Speaker 5: did a couple collabs, and that's.
Speaker 3: Like collabing with other girls.
Speaker 5: I was like, that's when they were like, oh, you
Speaker 5: should try a TikTok, and I was like, okay, I'll
Speaker 5: try it. Ticked up and back then it was sort
Speaker 5: of when everyone was doing like kind of more dancing
Speaker 5: right and stuff.
Speaker 3: So I was doing like a few random things, but
Speaker 3: I didn't take it seriously.
Speaker 5: It wasn't until I started doing full service work that
Speaker 5: I just started posting what I was doing and somehow
Speaker 5: people started watching it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, when you say that you started doing full
Speaker 2: service work, like, how is that transition for you? Like
Speaker 2: what was the moment where you went, oh, I can
Speaker 2: value ad here.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, I guess like I had dabbled in it a
Speaker 5: little bit previously, but not never to this extent.
Speaker 3: So with my only fans, you know, I traveled.
Speaker 5: The world like collabing with really big names, and I
Speaker 5: made like a big name for myself in that industry.
Speaker 5: So I guess I was just kind of in the
Speaker 5: mindset of like, Okay, what can I do next? How
Speaker 5: much like how much money can I save in a
Speaker 5: short amount of time. So that's when I you know,
Speaker 5: I had friends throughout the industry that were in person workers,
Speaker 5: so I was like learning from them.
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, maybe I can make morning money
Speaker 3: from this.
Speaker 5: I feel like I have the experience now through sex
Speaker 5: work that it just happened like so naturally. But I'm
Speaker 5: so glad that I had that experience in sex work
Speaker 5: before I got into the in person work, because if
Speaker 5: I had just started in person work like when I
Speaker 5: was fresh eighteen, I probably would have got myself into
Speaker 5: some really shitty situations. So yeah, it was kind of
Speaker 5: like just timing everything worked out right. I just really
Speaker 5: wanted to get my savings up and you know, invest
Speaker 5: in some more property.
Speaker 3: So I was like, I just need to.
Speaker 5: Buckle down, and yeah, that's what I did, and it's
Speaker 5: done really well.
Speaker 2: It had done really well because there was, of course
Speaker 2: the period I think I first saw you, like a
Speaker 2: lot of people, when you'd be doing your money show
Speaker 2: mm hmm.
Speaker 3: And yeah, the money counts.
Speaker 2: Wards and wards of money of cash, and then you've
Speaker 2: kind of stepped aside from that, so you've always had
Speaker 2: this capacity to be very open and share a lot,
Speaker 2: but also you've kind of monitored yourself as well.
Speaker 5: Hmm.
Speaker 3: Totally.
Speaker 4: I think it's about like, you know, adapting and changing.
Speaker 5: You know, and yeah, I guess with the money counts,
Speaker 5: I just I got to a point like when I
Speaker 5: first started on TikTok, I started with the zero following
Speaker 5: like I started a marite new page. When I was
Speaker 5: posting the money counts, I was posting, you know, for
Speaker 5: my sex worker friends, just for shits and giggles, to
Speaker 5: be like whatever, like I'm just going to post what
Speaker 5: I'm doing.
Speaker 3: If anyone likes it, go for it.
Speaker 5: And then it got to the point where it just
Speaker 5: it blew up so much and the money counts started
Speaker 5: becoming a little bit ecky. For me. I just felt like,
Speaker 5: you know, if girls were like scrolling through TikTok and
Speaker 5: they saw this like giant money counts and then they
Speaker 5: didn't actually like click on my page and like look
Speaker 5: at my other videos where I talk about like the
Speaker 5: dangers of sex work and like other things like that.
Speaker 5: If they just saw those videos, then they would be like, hey,
Speaker 5: like I can make this money too, and not realize
Speaker 5: what I actually had to do to get that money.
Speaker 3: So it just naturally I was like probably for a
Speaker 3: couple months, I was like, I don't I think I'm
Speaker 3: going to stop them.
Speaker 5: And that was a hard transition for me because I
Speaker 5: felt like that's what I blew up.
Speaker 3: On, So I was like no, but like should I
Speaker 3: keep doing it? I don't know.
Speaker 5: But then it just naturally came that I was just like, nah,
Speaker 5: I don't think I can do these anymore.
Speaker 3: That's when I stopped.
Speaker 2: Interesting too, because security is always a big thing for
Speaker 2: every woman, really.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and I was thinking, Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: Well, there was another reason why I stopped, because especially
Speaker 5: because a lot of other sex workers started doing it
Speaker 5: as well, and I was like, I'm really careful about safety,
Speaker 5: but if you know someone on here, if someone's doing
Speaker 5: it and then like not so much or they're a
Speaker 5: bit younger, I was just worried, like, you know, that
Speaker 5: could put a target on their back, you know, but
Speaker 5: like them posting money counts and not being careful of
Speaker 5: like location and.
Speaker 3: Things like that.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I thought it was an everyone's best interest
Speaker 5: to stop the money counts.
Speaker 2: Interesting because obviously when you were doing this, and this
Speaker 2: seems like it happened fairly rapidly, that you achieved this
Speaker 2: kind of level of success that you could actually measure
Speaker 2: by the world of cash in your hand, do you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? So your family back in New Zealand,
Speaker 2: how aware were they at that point of like your
Speaker 2: new pursuit, Well.
Speaker 5: They sort of had time to adjust at the fact
Speaker 5: that I was a sex worker before the tech took came,
Speaker 5: because yeah, I was on OnlyFans. I've been on Only
Speaker 5: Fans for the past like four years, so you know,
Speaker 5: they learned pretty soon because like I did well in
Speaker 5: the Only Fans world as well, So they learned fairly
Speaker 5: quickly that I became a sex worker.
Speaker 3: But by the time, like the TikTok.
Speaker 5: Came, they were so used to they were so used
Speaker 5: to my Shenan again, so they we're like, yeah, you
Speaker 5: go off, queen.
Speaker 2: And when when you said say to your parents, oh,
Speaker 2: this is the work that I'm going to do, or
Speaker 2: this is the work that I'm doing, who do you
Speaker 2: have that conversation with first?
Speaker 3: Ah, well, they actually had the conversation with me. They
Speaker 3: found out. I actually didn't tell them. No, it's not
Speaker 3: because I didn't think that I was.
Speaker 5: I didn't think that I was going to do it
Speaker 5: for that long. Honestly, Like when I started the Only Fans,
Speaker 5: I was like, you know, I'm probably going to do
Speaker 5: this for a bit, make a bit of money, and
Speaker 5: then just like leave it.
Speaker 3: You know. I didn't think it would blow up into
Speaker 3: this big career.
Speaker 5: So I was just sort of doing it and like
Speaker 5: not not really telling anyone, and then obviously they found
Speaker 5: out word of mouth, and yeah, I guess they just
Speaker 5: immediately and I was like, hey, like, what's going on?
Speaker 3: Do you have only fans?
Speaker 5: And my mum was a little bit, I guess, just
Speaker 5: worried about me and my.
Speaker 3: Safety and everything. You know, she didn't.
Speaker 5: Really know how only fans operated, like in her ideas
Speaker 5: she had like you know, sort of nineties porn sets
Speaker 5: or something like she was freaking out. But then when
Speaker 5: she came over and just you know, saw how happy
Speaker 5: I was, and you know how it wasn't like as
Speaker 5: scary as it seems. They slowly got adjusted to it.
Speaker 5: But with me, like, I'm just like, if I want something,
Speaker 5: I'm stubborn as fuck.
Speaker 3: I would do it and I don't care.
Speaker 5: You know, if someone's not happier about it, well that's
Speaker 5: their problem. Like if I'm happy, like, I'm going to
Speaker 5: do it regardless. So I feel like there was nothing
Speaker 5: anyone could say that would be like.
Speaker 3: Oh, actually I won't do this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean a lot of people.
Speaker 3: Will ask me like what do your parents thinking your work?
Speaker 5: And I'm like, I'm fucking thirty, all grow an adult
Speaker 5: like it doesn't should not matter what my parents know
Speaker 5: about my life, you know what I mean, It.
Speaker 2: Shouldn't matter, But then there are there's just something often
Speaker 2: in that child parent relationship where it doesn't matter how
Speaker 2: old you are. Like before my dad died, he was
Speaker 2: eighty nine, I would still hide from him if I
Speaker 2: wanted to have a cigarette at a party or what
Speaker 2: is you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: It's like, Yeah, I'm actually the most open I am
Speaker 5: now with my family then I've ever been. Like I
Speaker 5: think just me opening up talking about my life online
Speaker 5: has just made me so open with them because throughout
Speaker 5: my life I struggled a lot with mental illness.
Speaker 3: I had eating.
Speaker 5: Disorders when I was younger, and I was so closed
Speaker 5: off to them for a long period of time. And
Speaker 5: I think just my mentality from the eating disorder, I
Speaker 5: had that mindset of around my family, you know, I
Speaker 5: had that close off mindset. So now just being so
Speaker 5: open and talking about things has just, yeah, opened up
Speaker 5: our relationship so much.
Speaker 2: It's funny because you know they're saying the truth will
Speaker 2: set you free, and you seem to have found increasingly
Speaker 2: so much freedom in no longer hiding aspects of your life,
Speaker 2: even from the people that you share things with.
Speaker 5: I just got to the point where I was just like,
Speaker 5: I really don't care. Like there was so much like
Speaker 5: ups and downs at the start when I first started,
Speaker 5: like I had a family member like screenshot all my
Speaker 5: content and send it to all my family, and I
Speaker 5: had so much shit at the start that it just
Speaker 5: got to a point where.
Speaker 3: I'm just like whatever, Like I honestly don't care.
Speaker 5: This is me, and I'm so over hiding who I
Speaker 5: am and what I want to do. You know. So
Speaker 5: as soon as I was like, yep, I have an
Speaker 5: only fan, I'm a sex worker, take it or leave it,
Speaker 5: I think I just became more like I just let
Speaker 5: go of caring so much about what other people thought
Speaker 5: to be because, like I guess, like especially me growing up,
Speaker 5: I was very much like a people pleaser and wanted
Speaker 5: to make sure everyone's like okay and happy.
Speaker 3: And then I.
Speaker 5: Just got to a point where I was just like
Speaker 5: I don't care, Like if I'm happy, like that's all
Speaker 5: that matters. And if people are not happy that I'm happy,
Speaker 5: well you probably don't want them in your life anyway.
Speaker 4: You've definitely learned like bring a sex worker, you.
Speaker 3: Learn people's true personalities.
Speaker 5: Like they come out and you know, if someone like
Speaker 5: doesn't like your of the hiding something, they will show
Speaker 5: you their true colors. So it's a blessing in disguise
Speaker 5: in some ways.
Speaker 2: Do you think that with your knowledge of humanity now
Speaker 2: that it changes the way that you deal with like
Speaker 2: the entire world, the people that you meet socially.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 5: I think, especially like males, I have become a master
Speaker 5: of identifying their personality. Probably within the first five seconds
Speaker 5: of meeting one, I know exactly what kind of person
Speaker 5: they are. So yeah, yeah, I think it's just made
Speaker 5: me because you're just meeting new people all the time
Speaker 5: and adapting it, Like you're processing all these different personalities,
Speaker 5: you get to really easily find out who someone is
Speaker 5: just by looking at them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's quite funny. It's like my little.
Speaker 2: Superpower now because I heard you say, and I think
Speaker 2: it was on your storytime pod that you probably won't
Speaker 2: have a relationship now until you finish with sex work. Yes, definitely,
Speaker 2: And I thought to myself, how can you control that?
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, how do you stop that pull to someone when
Speaker 2: you had that action to them?
Speaker 3: Are well, I.
Speaker 5: Guess I'm just not in the mindset of dating at
Speaker 5: the moment because throughout my life, I've always been in
Speaker 5: a relationship from the time I was like fourteen years
Speaker 5: old until up until I had kids. So I feel
Speaker 5: like I'm just in my era of wanting to make
Speaker 5: money and setting myself up to make money, and I
Speaker 5: know that if I get into a relationship, that's going
Speaker 5: to slow me down. I guess my mentality now is if, like,
Speaker 5: if I get into a relationship, it's just going to
Speaker 5: set me back in my career, in my money making because.
Speaker 3: Obviously, like I want.
Speaker 5: To be with a person who you know, is okay
Speaker 5: with me being a sex worker, But I also want
Speaker 5: to be with a person who doesn't want me to
Speaker 5: sleep with other men, you know.
Speaker 3: So I know that when I do become in.
Speaker 5: A relationship, yeah, I will have to stop being right
Speaker 5: yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. And now because if they are
Speaker 5: okay with me sleeping with other men, I feel like,
Speaker 5: either thou with me just for my name or money
Speaker 5: or that, or they really don't care about me or
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 3: So I want to be with someone.
Speaker 1: Who only wants you to be with them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I see a lot of sex workers go
Speaker 5: throughout like relationships.
Speaker 3: It's very rare.
Speaker 5: That, like you know, they have like a guy who's
Speaker 5: okay with them sleeping with other people, because that's like
Speaker 5: not really not much a normal thing. When I eventually
Speaker 5: get into relationship, it's when I'm ready to settle down,
Speaker 5: and that's not that's not yet. I want to make
Speaker 5: my money and you know, set up my set up
Speaker 5: myself and then and then I can think about it.
Speaker 2: When you are attracted to someone, it's kind of a
Speaker 2: normal thing to be territorial about them. So what you're
Speaker 2: saying is a guy who was who'd be yeah, that's okay,
Speaker 2: keep up your sex work is not the person that
Speaker 2: you want to be.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 3: No, And I know that if.
Speaker 5: I get into a relationship now, that means I'm going
Speaker 5: to have to stop my sex work and I'm not
Speaker 5: ready to do that yet.
Speaker 2: When you're reaping the rewards of what you've built and
Speaker 2: extending yourself in different ways, that's not a sexual pun.
Speaker 2: That's just you really are exploring different parts of yourself.
Speaker 2: How do you know when the point will be to stop?
Speaker 5: I feel like I will know when the time comes,
Speaker 5: Like I have never planned anything throughout my entire life.
Speaker 3: So this is probably going to be one of those
Speaker 3: things where.
Speaker 5: I will keep making money. If I keep making money
Speaker 5: doing this, then I'm happy. But if it gets to
Speaker 5: a point where I don't make money anymore, then maybe.
Speaker 3: I'll settle down.
Speaker 5: But it's just that thing where like I feel like
Speaker 5: a lot of sex workers had said, like, you will
Speaker 5: know when you no longer want to be in the industry,
Speaker 5: Like you just there's something that just clicks inside you
Speaker 5: and you're just like, nah, I'm done. So I feel
Speaker 5: like I will have that turning point once I've burnt
Speaker 5: myself out, but hopefully I would have set myself up
Speaker 5: enough to, you know, be okay with stepping back. So yeah,
Speaker 5: I would just have to see when the time comes.
Speaker 2: Really, because if you're waiting for the money to dwindle,
Speaker 2: the money is never going to dwindle.
Speaker 1: For Kayla Jade, I mean.
Speaker 3: You never know.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean I know, I know a lot
Speaker 5: of sex workers that are still making good money in
Speaker 5: their fifties, so fifties sixties, which is crazy, but I
Speaker 5: feel like you just mentally, I might tap out before then.
Speaker 3: I just never know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So it just depends on my mental health really
Speaker 5: whether I can keep doing it or not.
Speaker 2: You know, you talk about your mental health a lot
Speaker 2: and happily talk about how it's improved. What is the
Speaker 2: toll that sex work takes on your mental health?
Speaker 5: I mean, it just it depends on the person, really,
Speaker 5: because if you're doing sex work and you feel any
Speaker 5: sort of shame about sex work, or you don't enjoy
Speaker 5: having sex and you're putting yourself and your body through
Speaker 5: these situations of meeting up with strangers and do it
Speaker 5: having sex with them, like, that's going to fuck your
Speaker 5: mental health.
Speaker 3: So that's why I.
Speaker 5: Always tell girls, like, if you want to get into
Speaker 5: sex work, like make sure you actually feel like you're
Speaker 5: going to enjoy it. Try it out, because it's not
Speaker 5: for everyone and some people will just immediately get burnt out.
Speaker 5: But I feel like, because I've had I've dealt with
Speaker 5: a lot of things throughout my life, I felt like
Speaker 5: it's just made me a rocking away and really, I can,
Speaker 5: you know, do a lot of things that if I
Speaker 5: didn't go through that stuff, I probably wouldn't be ready for.
Speaker 2: You refer quite often to how your mental health has
Speaker 2: improved and the uptake in happiness is really apparent in you.
Speaker 1: How have you made that happen?
Speaker 5: I think just from having the time and freedom and
Speaker 5: money just to be my own boss. I never thought
Speaker 5: growing up, like you know, I always struggled with school.
Speaker 5: I never thought that I would have a career where
Speaker 5: I could make money. So the fact that I'm here
Speaker 5: now and able to spend time with my kids and
Speaker 5: just have the freedom to be like, you know what,
Speaker 5: let's just go to Europe tomorrow, like I like, we
Speaker 5: need a break. Just having that freedom to spend time
Speaker 5: with them is just so rewarding and it just it
Speaker 5: gives me so much happiness.
Speaker 3: Like money is a big struggle.
Speaker 5: Like I've struggled with money throughout my whole life until
Speaker 5: I became a sex worker. I had duct tape covered
Speaker 5: all over my car because I couldn't afford a new car.
Speaker 5: You know, I've like lived paycheck to paycheck for like
Speaker 5: most of my life. So I know money struggles and
Speaker 5: not having money struggles now is just a huge relief.
Speaker 2: Which is and money will buy you time as well. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and people who say money can't buy happiness have never
Speaker 2: been poor.
Speaker 5: Yea struggle and it will buy a little bit of happiness.
Speaker 2: Coming up, some A listers, some secrets, and an ironclad
Speaker 2: NDA that's a non disclosure agreement, which obviously means there's
Speaker 2: some really good stuff behind it.
Speaker 1: Be right back.
Speaker 2: Because you're an industry now, everything comes from you, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of pressure on you to keep going to reinvent.
Speaker 2: Do you sometimes feel like you're coming close to being
Speaker 2: burnt out or not wanting to go on or pivot
Speaker 2: into some other area.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I definitely do have times where I'm just have
Speaker 5: you know, a full mental b and I'm like, I'm
Speaker 5: fucking done.
Speaker 3: I'm doing something else.
Speaker 5: But I don't think I'll ever change being a sex
Speaker 5: oker like for now, because I just I love I
Speaker 5: do love what I do, and I love I love
Speaker 5: the freedom that it.
Speaker 3: Gives you to be able to change and adapt.
Speaker 5: So you know, if I was like, no, I'm done
Speaker 5: with in person, I don't want to do it anymore,
Speaker 5: you know, I have other avenues where I can go
Speaker 5: to now.
Speaker 2: I imagine that when you go to make people in person,
Speaker 2: that you've got a different status now. So it's almost like,
Speaker 2: you know, you getting the call ups from celebrities to
Speaker 2: you know, fly to La or whatever.
Speaker 1: Who wants that by the way, I know you're not
Speaker 1: going to do who was I mean.
Speaker 3: Unto NDA's I can't.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, I feel like a lot of people with a
Speaker 4: lot of.
Speaker 3: People have guessed it. Let's just say that.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to go and read it.
Speaker 5: But I had that, I guess, like before the TikTok
Speaker 5: you know, the celebs and stuff, So that was pretty
Speaker 5: normal to me. And like I guess, like when you
Speaker 5: meet them, you're like, oh, that's just like a normal person,
Speaker 5: Like it's so fine.
Speaker 2: Yes, But now my point is that now when people
Speaker 2: meet you, you are the celebrity to them.
Speaker 3: M gotcha, gotcha.
Speaker 2: So the regards that are, like I want to be
Speaker 2: with Kaylage, i'd get your status, your power in relation
Speaker 2: to them has shifted.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess so in some ways, I still feel normal,
Speaker 5: So I just feel my regular self.
Speaker 2: No, no, But what I mean is that if there
Speaker 2: are things that boundaries that you don't want cross, or
Speaker 2: things that you might find degrading or whatever, are they
Speaker 2: least like likely now to kind of try and breach
Speaker 2: that because they're with you.
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, I would say so. Yeah, I've always been
Speaker 5: pretty strong in my boundaries, you know, obviously apart from
Speaker 5: it some circumstances.
Speaker 3: That were out of my control. But yeah, I would
Speaker 3: guess now that.
Speaker 5: I have a bigger name, people would be more careful of,
Speaker 5: you know, the way they interact around me. I guess before,
Speaker 5: you know, when I had like a small profile, you know,
Speaker 5: people probably thought they could take more advantage or things
Speaker 5: like that. But I've always been pretty careful with like
Speaker 5: where I put myself in situations.
Speaker 2: Are the situations you've been in where you've thought I
Speaker 2: don't want this.
Speaker 5: Yes, definitely, Yeah, And that's just you know, it's just
Speaker 5: a learning curve.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've had situations where, yeah.
Speaker 5: I like, honestly like the the people have taken advantage
Speaker 5: of the situation.
Speaker 3: And that's the.
Speaker 5: Unfortunate thing about even only fans, is that anyone can
Speaker 5: become a creator, you know, and if they have their
Speaker 5: camera right, if they have like the setup, they can
Speaker 5: hire the big names. You know, they can create a platform,
Speaker 5: like a predator can easily create a platform. So I
Speaker 5: guess the biggest thing is just finding friends in the
Speaker 5: industry and checking references.
Speaker 3: That's the biggest thing.
Speaker 2: You know, your ex who you seem to have quite
Speaker 2: a harmonious relationship with and he's you've said the primary
Speaker 2: maybe that a care giver to the kids when you
Speaker 2: first started doing sex work, and obviously you're the mother
Speaker 2: of his kids. Was he a bit territorial about you then?
Speaker 2: Was he uncertain about the path? Was he worried about
Speaker 2: the kids, the effect on the kids.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a smart cookie. It's definitely discussing with me
Speaker 5: all sorts of you know, the issues, like where they
Speaker 5: could be issues.
Speaker 3: We talked about it a lot, but.
Speaker 5: Because we had both had we had kids very young,
Speaker 5: and from the get go we said that like if
Speaker 5: it wasn't gonna work out, we're just gonna you know,
Speaker 5: stick together, be like good friends for the kids, because
Speaker 5: we both love them so much that we could not
Speaker 5: do fifty to fifty. There's just like a no, no,
Speaker 5: we just want to all both have them full time.
Speaker 5: So we were like, we're going to stick this out
Speaker 5: whether we're together or not. And there was some like
Speaker 5: worries with him at the start, but I feel like,
Speaker 5: you know, he had faith with me, Like I feel
Speaker 5: like he knew that I would do well through this,
Speaker 5: So you know, he put the faith in me and
Speaker 5: it paid off because now he can just work for me.
Speaker 3: Which is great. I mean that's what he's.
Speaker 4: Always wanted to be, a straight.
Speaker 3: Home dad and like we made that life.
Speaker 5: So yeah, a lot of people don't, like they kind
Speaker 5: of questioned them, they like they don't understand the relationship.
Speaker 5: But it's like we're both just so chill that we
Speaker 5: just don't care, Like we're just we're just so happy
Speaker 5: being around. Like we don't fight. We're like we're not together.
Speaker 5: We we thought more when we were together, but now
Speaker 5: that that sort of pressure has gone, we just become
Speaker 5: close friends.
Speaker 3: And we're we work together well.
Speaker 5: Like, you know, if I ever have a situation where
Speaker 5: I'm like this thing happened and like I don't know
Speaker 5: what to do, and because I've had times where you know,
Speaker 5: I started sex work and you know, people have like
Speaker 5: owed me money and stuff, and like he's just always
Speaker 5: sort of it for me. It's just like he's a blessing. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I couldn't have done it without him.
Speaker 2: So and has he repartnered or is that a possibility
Speaker 2: for him not at.
Speaker 5: The stage, Yeah, we're both open, like he can go
Speaker 5: see whoever he wants or whatever. But we're just both
Speaker 5: at the time of our lives where we don't want
Speaker 5: a relationship, like we both have been in a lot.
Speaker 3: Of relationships throughout our lives.
Speaker 5: So we're just focused on the kids at the moment,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 2: And also, you know, speaking of being healthy, you've been
Speaker 2: very open about your BBL surgeries, both of them. Yes,
Speaker 2: one story is so horrific. It basically, hmmm, is how
Speaker 2: you nearly died, which I don't know if you realized
Speaker 2: it at the time, but listening to you tell it,
Speaker 2: it's like you could have died in Turkey.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: I went through everyone's worst nightmare of literally waking up
Speaker 5: on the operating table and while they're operating on me
Speaker 5: not being able to move, being paralyzed but feeling everything
Speaker 5: and just being just feeling the tears run down my
Speaker 5: face but not be able to do anything.
Speaker 3: It was terrific.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and every aspect of it it was botched. You
Speaker 2: had an encounterdown nurse that was he was groping you
Speaker 2: and trying to kiss you in the lift.
Speaker 1: They put you on.
Speaker 2: Your bum when you're not supposed to be on your
Speaker 2: bums straight after.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so it was.
Speaker 5: It was a time where I didn't have like I
Speaker 5: just sat her in the fans. I didn't have much money,
Speaker 5: and I'd heard that people were getting these BBOs in
Speaker 5: Turkey for like, you know, fifteen grand ten grands. I
Speaker 5: was like, oh my god, I'm going to do that.
Speaker 5: So my impulsive self.
Speaker 3: Booked that in. I found a place.
Speaker 5: We were talking on WhatsApp and they seemed great, like
Speaker 5: the English was incredible.
Speaker 3: I was sending them before and.
Speaker 5: After photos and they were like, yeah, you're such a
Speaker 5: good candidate. So I was like, Okay, I'm going to
Speaker 5: do it and went over to Turkey and just immediately
Speaker 5: when they picked me up, like no one could speak English.
Speaker 3: I didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 5: Like they were taking me to all sorts of different
Speaker 5: hospitals and like could no one could tell me what
Speaker 5: was going on.
Speaker 3: Like they were trying to find.
Speaker 5: The doctor and they couldn't find him, and it was
Speaker 5: a mess. Eventually, when they did find the doctor, as
Speaker 5: soon as he saw me, he was like, oh, you
Speaker 5: don't have enough fat to get the surgery, and I was.
Speaker 3: Like, yes, I do.
Speaker 5: I have been like eating like five thousand calories a
Speaker 5: day for the past six months to gain weight for
Speaker 5: this BBL.
Speaker 3: I know I have enough fat.
Speaker 5: I've seen much skinnier girls get good bbls.
Speaker 3: So but I mean I was there. I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with the surgery.
Speaker 5: So I went under and yeah, I woke up on
Speaker 5: the operating table.
Speaker 3: Could feel so they use.
Speaker 5: This like metal rod to like get because they take
Speaker 5: the fat out from like your stomach, your back and
Speaker 5: put it in your butt.
Speaker 3: I could just feel it getting sucked out of me.
Speaker 5: It was just like burning, like this fat getting sucked
Speaker 5: out of my stomach.
Speaker 3: It was nasty.
Speaker 5: And then just a cup and I was just like
Speaker 5: vomiting blood like everything, Like my body was just malfunctioning,
Speaker 5: like it just wasn't coping with the stress it's been under.
Speaker 5: And yeah, but then you know, the next day, literally
Speaker 5: assaulted by a male nurse while I was getting changed,
Speaker 5: well he was getting he was changing me, and like
Speaker 5: in that like I think back to the state that
Speaker 5: I was in, Like while that was happening, I was
Speaker 5: not even a person Like.
Speaker 3: I was not.
Speaker 5: I wasn't like I couldn't talk, couldn't do anything. And
Speaker 5: that happened, and I'm just like, imagine what.
Speaker 3: Else this guy has put people through. And then like
Speaker 3: cause you wear like this compression suits.
Speaker 5: Because like, obviously your skin's just being ripped off the fat,
Speaker 5: so it needs to start to attach again.
Speaker 3: So you're wearing this compression suit.
Speaker 5: And you have to get these lymphatic drainage massages because
Speaker 5: you just well up so much.
Speaker 3: So when I took the farh Off.
Speaker 5: Which is the suit, like I saw my body and
Speaker 5: I was like, it looks basically exactly the same.
Speaker 3: So it was like, oh, when I.
Speaker 5: Saw that surgeon, he was like, oh, you know you're
Speaker 5: not going to get the results you want. It was
Speaker 5: like he was just setting me up for me to
Speaker 5: be like, oh, well, he said that I wasn't going
Speaker 5: to get the result I wanted, So I guess this
Speaker 5: is it. And the fat that did like was that
Speaker 5: they did transfer.
Speaker 3: Within a couple of months, it was gone.
Speaker 5: Because if you take the fat out of your body
Speaker 5: and you don't purify it properly, they have to do
Speaker 5: this purifying process. If that isn't done properly, the fat's
Speaker 5: going to immediately die. And because they had I woken
Speaker 5: up on my bat my butt, sitting on my butt,
Speaker 5: that's going to kill the fat cells as well. So
Speaker 5: there was just no chance of survival. So yeah, within
Speaker 5: a few months I was back to back to my
Speaker 5: normal self, which was really frustrating.
Speaker 2: But a bit traumatized by the physical experience a little bit,
Speaker 2: a bit more traumatized, yes, yeah, and then you had
Speaker 2: a reconstructive Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I went to see an Australian surgeon like a
Speaker 5: year after to get it revised and he just said
Speaker 5: he just couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3: He looked at my back and he was like, they've literally.
Speaker 5: Taken just chunks of fat out of your back, Like
Speaker 5: this is crazy. So he went in and like fixed
Speaker 5: it up for me and made sure a result good.
Speaker 3: And then now I'm so happy with the results.
Speaker 2: So the experience of that, because you seem somewhat won
Speaker 2: with your body now and at ease with your body,
Speaker 2: was the experience of that part of that process.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: I think back to when I got my BBL and
Speaker 5: I was still so unhappy, Like I was as soon
Speaker 5: as I got the BBL, I was like, what's my
Speaker 5: next surgery. It's like when you start having surgery, it
Speaker 5: plays with your mind and then you start looking in
Speaker 5: the mirror and being like, oh, I could tweak that,
Speaker 5: I could tweak that, I could move this here.
Speaker 3: Like it just messes you up so much.
Speaker 5: And I think now like I'm the happiest that I've
Speaker 5: been and I don't think about surgery, I don't think
Speaker 5: about botox, I don't think about anything because I'm just
Speaker 5: so much happier. So I think for me, I just
Speaker 5: really needed to find my happiness and who I was,
Speaker 5: because I guess throughout my life, I was always being like, Okay,
Speaker 5: if I get a surgery, then I'll be happy, or
Speaker 5: if I have this eating disorder, then I'll be happy.
Speaker 5: Like I was always sort of masking it. And it
Speaker 5: wasn't until I, just like I guess, found my true
Speaker 5: self that I've sort of let that go and be like,
Speaker 5: you know, that's not the most important thing anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the goal, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But often people can get bulged in, like you said,
Speaker 2: that cycle of oh this will fix me and working
Speaker 2: externally and thinking, especially in.
Speaker 5: This industry, because you know, like you're around a lot
Speaker 5: of girls and all the girls are getting surgery.
Speaker 3: You know, they got money, they're getting surgery, they're.
Speaker 5: Getting this tweak because you're relying on your pearents for money.
Speaker 5: So as soon as you feel like something that needs
Speaker 5: to change. Your first thought is surgery because everyone around
Speaker 5: you is getting surgery and you're talking about it, and
Speaker 5: so yeah, I really needed to like step out of
Speaker 5: that sort of because I felt like I was just
Speaker 5: around girls that were like talking about this stuff and
Speaker 5: it was just triggering that back in me. So I
Speaker 5: was just like, I need to take a step back
Speaker 5: from that and just you know, be around people who
Speaker 5: are not so like surgery focused and image focused. And
Speaker 5: now like, I found my girls in this industry and
Speaker 5: we're just like the best of friends and you know,
Speaker 5: we just love and support each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even though it's not like a big group. Now
Speaker 3: I've just found my people, and you know, I'm happy.
Speaker 2: So yeah, many industries, and probably more than some, there's
Speaker 2: people that don't always want the best for you, that
Speaker 2: may be motivated by envy or jealousy or competition. How
Speaker 2: did you find your girlies?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just.
Speaker 5: Happened like naturally through because obviously when I started OnlyFans,
Speaker 5: I was collabing with a lot of girls, and I
Speaker 5: just found a couple that as soon as we met,
Speaker 5: we just clicked straight away, and then you know, I
Speaker 5: stopped really doing collabs and distanced myself from you know,
Speaker 5: some people in the industry, and I just stuck to
Speaker 5: my own and was like I'm happy here, and yeah.
Speaker 2: Hey, Kayla, what's a collab by the way, is it
Speaker 2: I imagined? Is it two of you or whatever having
Speaker 2: sex or doing a show or yeah.
Speaker 5: So you arranged you meet with like another content creator,
Speaker 5: and you set a date.
Speaker 3: You get like, you know, tester, you.
Speaker 5: Have to be tested STI tests within two weeks, You
Speaker 5: sign consent forms.
Speaker 3: There's like a lot of process to it.
Speaker 5: And then you meet up with them, whether it's at
Speaker 5: you know, a house or like a hotel or whatever,
Speaker 5: and you get socials so like you know, pictures or
Speaker 5: reels or tiktoks or whatever for the social media.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, you'll do a scene, which is whether it's.
Speaker 5: Girl girl, boy girl, it depends like whatever you're comfortable with.
Speaker 2: I guess, in the scale of what you've achieved so far,
Speaker 2: just if you're going to talk about the sex worker space.
Speaker 1: What do you still hope to achieve?
Speaker 5: M I guess because obviously now like a lot of
Speaker 5: brands are working with me as a sex worker, which
Speaker 5: is crazy because that's just like unheard of.
Speaker 3: Guess. For me, I would just love to either.
Speaker 5: Like create a product or like an organization to help
Speaker 5: people like I love giving back, Like my love language
Speaker 5: is giving, so I'm always like sending stuff to charity
Speaker 5: wherever I can. So I would just love to, yeah,
Speaker 5: sort of build something unrelated but related in a.
Speaker 1: Way, and like in what sort of space.
Speaker 3: Depends really we'll see it when it.
Speaker 1: Comes in the sex workers space or.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess like either you know, making a product
Speaker 5: that you know help like survival sex workers or something. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I would love to do something like that in the future.
Speaker 5: But for me, like sex work will just always be
Speaker 5: sex work. It will either be will either be more
Speaker 5: online or I'll be more on person. So just really
Speaker 5: depends on my mood.
Speaker 2: After the break, the moment we have all been waiting
Speaker 2: for who is and.
Speaker 1: Who is and Peggy sou.
Speaker 2: We talked about the importance of the financial freedom and stuff.
Speaker 2: But when you were talking before, it occurred to me
Speaker 2: that there's a possibly another aspect to it. How that
Speaker 2: in the work that you do, there's like a lot
Speaker 2: of validation, like a lot of physical validation. When you
Speaker 2: want to move away from that and into you know,
Speaker 2: having a romantic partner, which he said is not you
Speaker 2: can't do it at the same time as sex work
Speaker 2: or you don't want to.
Speaker 1: How do you know that you won't be.
Speaker 2: Hooked on that, because a lot of people would be
Speaker 2: hooked on the compliments.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, I guess it's like the you know, surgery
Speaker 5: thing in a way, like you sort of learn. Well,
Speaker 5: I know that I've learned, like throughout my time to
Speaker 5: love myself more, and now that I have that sort
Speaker 5: of love for myself, like I don't necessarily rely on.
Speaker 3: The validation anymore, whereas I used to rely so much.
Speaker 4: But now I feel like I'm just in a point
Speaker 4: in my life where.
Speaker 3: I could take it or leave it if it all
Speaker 3: ended tomorrow.
Speaker 5: Like I would be okay with that, you know, as
Speaker 5: long as I've set myself up enough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't really rely on it anymore.
Speaker 5: But it's not something that I'm like, oh, I did this,
Speaker 5: and this is why I changed.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 5: Just sort of adapted over time, And I guess as
Speaker 5: I got older and as I sort of realized like
Speaker 5: the relationships around me, you know, care more to me,
Speaker 5: like than.
Speaker 3: You know, the online stuff or whatever. I think. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think I just changed over time.
Speaker 1: Was Peggy Sue paid a Dunton?
Speaker 3: I can neither confirm with Deny now, No, he wasn't.
Speaker 4: He wasn't. That was ever ran into.
Speaker 3: I don't want to get to it.
Speaker 2: So random, it's so random, and yet in a really
Speaker 2: strange sort of way, I think it played a part
Speaker 2: in affecting the outcome of an election.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 5: Sorry about that, Peter Daddat, But yeah, I know it's
Speaker 5: so bizarre.
Speaker 3: It really, it's just something that it blew up beyond me.
Speaker 5: Like people were talking about the Peggy Sue thing, they
Speaker 5: had no idea who I was.
Speaker 3: You know, it just blew up in its entity.
Speaker 5: Like, but I didn't like a single comment, like because
Speaker 5: you know, I didn't want to step on anyone's toes.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to get taken down because you know.
Speaker 5: If you like, if you were influencing something, they can
Speaker 5: easily you know, send you a season desist or try
Speaker 5: and take down your accounts or something.
Speaker 2: So it was such a strange thing to take flight.
Speaker 2: So for people who don't know, can you explain who
Speaker 2: Peggy Sue is?
Speaker 5: Yeah, So Peggy Sue's a client of mine who likes
Speaker 5: to get pegged in the butt, which is you know,
Speaker 5: me putting a strap on, pegging him in the butt.
Speaker 3: And I just started calling him that because I thought
Speaker 3: it was a funny name for it. It's not like
Speaker 3: I call him that like when I see him. He
Speaker 3: was just like the name.
Speaker 2: Does he know you call it? Does he know you
Speaker 2: call him Peggy Suit?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he knows.
Speaker 5: He religiously sorks my TikTok every time we talk about it,
Speaker 5: because he loves like reading comments of people talking about him,
Speaker 5: like he loved it when like the Peter Dunnan thing blew.
Speaker 3: Up, like he just loved that. He was just like
Speaker 3: this internet personality, right, Yeah, he likes a lot of
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 5: Large members and his behind and I would talk about
Speaker 5: it on the internet. I would talk about our dates
Speaker 5: together and you know what I was going to rear
Speaker 5: end him with next, I guess, And yeah, just it
Speaker 5: blew up completely, Like every time I talked about him,
Speaker 5: people love to hear it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and is he okay? So I know that
Speaker 2: you protect the confidence reality of your clients obviously respect,
Speaker 2: but tell us who Peggy su is not?
Speaker 1: Can you do that?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Is he not? He's not a public profile figure.
Speaker 5: He's no, Like a lot of people were guessing, like
Speaker 5: trying to guess who he was, And I.
Speaker 3: Think if I said who he.
Speaker 5: Was, I don't know if people would be happy or disappointed,
Speaker 5: so like, even though obviously well not disappointed, but I
Speaker 5: guess just like, oh, they had this idea of who
Speaker 5: he is in their head, and you know, he's high
Speaker 5: up in his industry, but I wouldn't say he's like
Speaker 5: a personality, So in his industry it would be a
Speaker 5: shock factor, but not so much like in everyone's, like
Speaker 5: you know, in celebrity culture.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: We'll definitely not definitely not Peter Dutton.
Speaker 4: No, I can, I can say now, Nope, done it.
Speaker 5: It's funny though, because he got interviewed by two radio
Speaker 5: show hosts and they asked him if he was Peggy
Speaker 5: Sue and he didn't deny her.
Speaker 2: I was like, would he have even known?
Speaker 3: Yeah he did.
Speaker 5: He was like, oh yeah, I've heard about it because
Speaker 5: everyone was just blasting his comments all on social media.
Speaker 3: Are you Peggy zo? Are you Peggy Zoo? So yeah,
Speaker 3: I like.
Speaker 5: Some poor intern, probably some more young intern probably had
Speaker 5: to tell him like what was going on?
Speaker 3: But yeah, they asked him, and he never denied it.
Speaker 3: I was like, are you serious?
Speaker 5: Maybe he wanted to be, maybe he isn't, Maybe he's
Speaker 5: another sex worker.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Politicians are very pole driven and whatever they think is
Speaker 2: going to work with the electorate, they'll lean into it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, unfortunately I think that didn't work in his favor.
Speaker 1: So no, it didn't appear too.
Speaker 3: I'm happy with that regardless.
Speaker 2: In this spirit of your openness, Kayla, they surely has
Speaker 2: been a post or a story you've recounted or whatever
Speaker 2: that has still given you cause for regret.
Speaker 3: Ah, I want to say regrets.
Speaker 5: I think I'm very careful with what I do post
Speaker 5: to not try and like step on anyone's toes.
Speaker 3: You know, if I did say a story.
Speaker 5: That was about a client, like I always make sure
Speaker 5: that i'm I.
Speaker 3: Know that if I'm going to post it, is this
Speaker 3: going to cause me drama or is this going to
Speaker 3: be because obviously I talk about a lot.
Speaker 5: I talk about sexual assault from you know, either content
Speaker 5: creators or photographers that I've had, and I blast them
Speaker 5: and like, oh, will only blast you if you're doing
Speaker 5: the wrong thing, which I've had, like people contact me
Speaker 5: because I have talked about those situations, and I don't
Speaker 5: feel regrets.
Speaker 3: Because if you're going to do something bad, the world should.
Speaker 1: Know, you know what I mean, what did they contact
Speaker 1: you with?
Speaker 5: I guess like there was one time where I talked
Speaker 5: about a very uncomfortable situation that I had with a photographer.
Speaker 3: Who had booked me.
Speaker 5: So he was a photographer, but he didn't tell me
Speaker 5: he was a photographer. He had booked me for an
Speaker 5: in person job. And then he just he told me
Speaker 5: how much he, you know, really liked me, and how
Speaker 5: he's been trying to get in contact me with me
Speaker 5: through his photography page, and and just like he was
Speaker 5: just asking if I could do things like that was
Speaker 5: just not discuss prior. So I talked about that, and
Speaker 5: you know, he got upset that I talked about it,
Speaker 5: and yeah, is what it is. But like, I don't
Speaker 5: think there's anything that I regret because I'm very careful
Speaker 5: with what I talk about and I'm like very strong.
Speaker 3: In my morals and my values.
Speaker 5: So I think I did get I did get canceled
Speaker 5: for hanging out with Drake though.
Speaker 1: You posted, oh Drake.
Speaker 3: Yeah I did. People didn't like that, but I guess
Speaker 3: like I just didn't know.
Speaker 5: His he really had allegations, Like I knew about the
Speaker 5: song with Kenjit Lamar, but I wasn't very aware of
Speaker 5: like what had actually been going on.
Speaker 3: I had just invited. I just got invited to go
Speaker 3: to dinner with him, and then.
Speaker 5: I posted about it because he didn't make me sign
Speaker 5: an NDA, so I posted about it and it blew
Speaker 5: up and people got pretty up in arms about the
Speaker 5: fact that I hung out with him, and he eventually
Speaker 5: told me to take down the post.
Speaker 1: Did he he had a lot of hate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was like, hey, yeah, can you take these down?
Speaker 5: Because he had a lot of heat in the media,
Speaker 5: and I guess this was just giving more attention to it.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I ended up deleting the whole thing, And yeah,
Speaker 5: that was that was a tricky time.
Speaker 3: There was tricky time. Like I wouldn't say I regret that.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't if I could take it back, I don't
Speaker 5: think I would, because it's a learning curve and you know,
Speaker 5: like people make mistakes, Like I'm a human being, Like
Speaker 5: shit happens, you know. At the time, I was like
Speaker 5: stressed about that situation, but that's what a lot of
Speaker 5: people were telling me. Look, these like anyone would take
Speaker 5: up that opportunity, And for me, it wasn't necessarily just
Speaker 5: about hanging out with Drake. It's about, like, I say
Speaker 5: yes to those opportunities because the amount of people that
Speaker 5: I meet through that is just incredible and it just
Speaker 5: gives me so many opportunities. So I guess in my head,
Speaker 5: i just had my sex worker money brain locked in.
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is going to do well for me,
Speaker 3: so I'm going to do not really.
Speaker 5: Thinking about, you know, the consequences. So yeah, it was
Speaker 5: a learning curve.
Speaker 2: Life is a learning curve exactly, learning every day when
Speaker 2: your kids and your kids are at school, Now, is
Speaker 2: it a consideration for.
Speaker 1: You how you I mean, kids only ever know the life.
Speaker 2: They live anyway, and they only know their parents as
Speaker 2: their mum or their dad. But is it a consideration
Speaker 2: for you as they're getting older, how you're going to
Speaker 2: navigate school other kids, other parents.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I think we've always been super open with
Speaker 5: the kids about obviously to what they can handle for
Speaker 5: their age. But like we've never had an issue so far.
Speaker 5: Like a lot of the parents at my kids' school
Speaker 5: love me and come up to me and want to
Speaker 5: talk to me and want to hang out. Of course,
Speaker 5: there's going to be you know, with anything like there
Speaker 5: could be a risk of you know, kids saying something,
Speaker 5: But I don't think they're going to necessarily like look
Speaker 5: back at their life and think like this was a
Speaker 5: horrible life, because like, you know, both their parents just
Speaker 5: spend so much time with them, and we're so open
Speaker 5: with them, and we teach them like kindness and empathy,
Speaker 5: and they are the kindest, like most caring, amazing kids either. Ever,
Speaker 5: So I think like people should stop worrying about what
Speaker 5: I teach my kids and maybe try and worry about
Speaker 5: what they're teaching their kids, you know, teach your kids
Speaker 5: to be less judgmental.
Speaker 3: And I think as well, like sex.
Speaker 5: Work is just becoming such a normal thing now. There's
Speaker 5: so much less stigma behind it that I think as
Speaker 5: they get older, it's going to be much more normal
Speaker 5: than what it was ten years ago.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of people are becoming more open minded,
Speaker 5: and I think with my TikTok, it's been great to
Speaker 5: sort of destigmatize, like because I'll tell my stories and
Speaker 5: people are loving and accepting of it, Whereas before, like
Speaker 5: you know, sex work was such a taboo thing.
Speaker 3: So I think just the world is.
Speaker 5: Changing in a great way and treating sex workers more
Speaker 5: like normal people and not like a threat or whatever.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it's changing for the best. And like they
Speaker 5: have a great life. They're such happy, happy kids, and
Speaker 5: they have a lot of friends around them, a lot
Speaker 5: of support from parents and teachers.
Speaker 2: So yeah, do you have a little dream, even though
Speaker 2: you know you very much to go with the flow, person,
Speaker 2: do you have a dream that you would like to
Speaker 2: see come to fulfillment, even if it seems, you know,
Speaker 2: the most far fetched thing in the world.
Speaker 3: I guess just you know, being able to like.
Speaker 5: Buy my kids a house each would be incredible because
Speaker 5: you know, we live in a time now where it's
Speaker 5: becoming impossible for that generation to buy a house. So
Speaker 5: I would love to just set them up as much
Speaker 5: as I can. And a dream of mine was to
Speaker 5: move into the country.
Speaker 3: And now done that.
Speaker 1: Where do you see yourself?
Speaker 2: Do you think, so, now you've got the country, you've
Speaker 2: got the country homestead, where do you think ten years'
Speaker 2: time will find you?
Speaker 5: I mean, would I could have never predicted five years
Speaker 5: ago where I would be now, So I think I've
Speaker 5: never planned anything and I think that's always worked out
Speaker 5: in my favor. So I'm just happy to go with
Speaker 5: the flow and see where it takes me. You know,
Speaker 5: if it does well, does well, if it doesn't, I'm
Speaker 5: happy with the time that I've had.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I can't imagine that it won't go well.
Speaker 2: And every time you speak futuristically you kind of say that,
Speaker 2: but surely by now you can go if I put
Speaker 2: my mind to something and I have my integrity behind it, oh,
Speaker 2: it's going to go well.
Speaker 3: Definitely, Definitely.
Speaker 1: I hope it does. I believe it will.
Speaker 4: I don't even know what to say when someone asks
Speaker 4: me that, I'm like, ah, I don't know.
Speaker 5: We'll see what happens in the future, I guess. But yeah,
Speaker 5: at the moment, I'm happy, and that's all the manness.
Speaker 2: I hope very much for your continued happiness and keep
Speaker 2: telling your stories because your stories are incredible.
Speaker 3: I love telling them, you know, it comes naturally to me.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, do you have any stories that you haven't
Speaker 1: told before?
Speaker 5: Yeah, like there's been a lot, Like a lot of
Speaker 5: the time I'll just have I'll see regular clients that
Speaker 5: I don't talk about because you know, there's.
Speaker 3: Not much to say.
Speaker 5: But then I've also had a couple of celebrity times
Speaker 5: where I haven't talked about yet.
Speaker 1: When you say yet, does that mean I have a I.
Speaker 5: Did a story about the A lister who I saw
Speaker 5: who flew me halfway across the world in La No,
Speaker 5: So it was in another place that I've said the
Speaker 5: first part and I haven't said the second part yet,
Speaker 5: So I think I'm going to have to introduce that soon.
Speaker 1: All right, can you give me a little teaser?
Speaker 5: So the first time I saw him, it was full
Speaker 5: on sex, parties.
Speaker 3: Orgies, a lot of intense stuff.
Speaker 5: And the second time it was actually like the first
Speaker 5: time was great, Like we were at this like.
Speaker 3: I was living out there like callous for a week.
Speaker 5: And there were you know, you'd come every day and
Speaker 5: there would just be new things every day, Like I
Speaker 5: would be lying by the pool and there's like a
Speaker 5: sketch artist sketching me. And it was just a lot
Speaker 5: of party, a lot of meeting celebrities.
Speaker 3: It's crazy shit.
Speaker 5: But then he invited me a second time and it
Speaker 5: got a bit intens it got very possessive. He became
Speaker 5: a little bit obsessed.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, Because you said when you told the first
Speaker 2: part that when you came back the second time, he
Speaker 2: was very different, but you didn't say in which way
Speaker 2: he was different, So he became obsessed with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So so the first time I saw him, he was
Speaker 5: with his partner and that was great. But the second
Speaker 5: time I rocked up and I thought it was going
Speaker 5: to be the same thing, and his partner wasn't there,
Speaker 5: and it was very It was a very different.
Speaker 3: It was like split personality.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and then how did the obsession manifest?
Speaker 5: Just just messaging me and like when I wanted to go,
Speaker 5: he would just bombard me.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: It was just a very different experience to the first one.
Speaker 2: And did you feel like because you were physically in
Speaker 2: another place and not at home, did you feel like
Speaker 2: you would have trouble getting away?
Speaker 5: There were times where I was a little bit worried. Yeah,
Speaker 5: especially when I was like there with him, I was.
Speaker 5: I was worried, but we got away safe and sound.
Speaker 5: So yeah, everything's a learning curve.
Speaker 2: Everything, he's a learning curve. And Jade, you have been
Speaker 2: instrumental in teaching people a lot of things.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I meet women every day who come up to me
Speaker 5: and are just like, you know, tell me how like
Speaker 5: my own videos have helped them or something, And I'm
Speaker 5: just like that just makes me so happy. Like if
Speaker 5: I can make someone's day just by you know, giving
Speaker 5: them a little something to look forward to, like, that's
Speaker 5: the best thing.
Speaker 1: Hey. Can I ask you one final question?
Speaker 2: Do you think that sex has a spiritual component to
Speaker 2: it as well as the physical?
Speaker 3: Like do you mean like a connection with someone? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know how different people can vibrate at different
Speaker 2: sort of levels and these base vibrations where people are like, oh, that's.
Speaker 1: A bad vibe.
Speaker 2: And a union of two people sexually who are connected
Speaker 2: and whatever vibrates at a high level.
Speaker 1: Do you believe that?
Speaker 5: I mean I don't believe that in a way. Like
Speaker 5: with my work, probably not so much. But if I
Speaker 5: was to see like a partner or someone who I
Speaker 5: was like really vibing, then one thousand percent.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But with my sex work, it's like it's work. Literally,
Speaker 5: you know, no connection there, no connection there. I mean
Speaker 5: I probably shouldn't say that connections sometimes.
Speaker 1: Oh, there'll be people with hurt feelings.
Speaker 5: I'm like, you know, this is a business transaction, and
Speaker 5: that's what I'm going to treat it as you know,
Speaker 5: they get there, they pay me, shower, do the deed, sayonara.
Speaker 3: You know, there's no messaging after.
Speaker 5: There was only one case where early on where I
Speaker 5: did catch feelings.
Speaker 3: For a client, and yeah that was a lesson learned too.
Speaker 1: Was that mister Sheffield?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, yes, he still he still messages me
Speaker 3: and still tries to call me.
Speaker 5: I flew to Sydney for a podcast like a little
Speaker 5: while ago, and like as soon as he saw I
Speaker 5: was there, he was like bombarding my phone.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, no, don't go back there. And I
Speaker 3: did it, which.
Speaker 2: Is good, well done, but it's hard to resist the
Speaker 2: lure of that attraction.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he was very very charming, very charming and
Speaker 5: just exactly my time.
Speaker 2: So when you said he started acting in a way
Speaker 2: that was kind of sas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I felt like he was.
Speaker 5: Hiding something or like he wasn't telling me the full truth.
Speaker 4: Like I couldn't find him on social media.
Speaker 2: What would he have been hiding a girlfriend, Dora potentially potentially.
Speaker 5: I just felt like there was some sort of thing
Speaker 5: that he wasn't telling me, And I just feel like
Speaker 5: he was a big manipulator.
Speaker 3: Like he knew how to play the game.
Speaker 5: You know, like people who will sort of like replicate
Speaker 5: your personality in a way just to make you feel.
Speaker 3: Like just the biggest narcissus.
Speaker 5: You know, like I couldn't tell if you was in
Speaker 5: love with me or just the biggest narcissist. So yeah,
Speaker 5: I really had to cut that one off because it
Speaker 5: was just my mental health was not.
Speaker 3: Good and I did. And yeah, I'm strong enough now to.
Speaker 5: Not go back, which is good because old me would
Speaker 5: not have been strong enough.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well I wish you every strength, Kayla Jade,
Speaker 2: and every joy.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Well that escalated quickly, didn't it, From only fans to
Speaker 2: outer suburbia, from sex parties to chicken coops. Kayla Jade
Speaker 2: has somehow lived teen lives in the space of one,
Speaker 2: and I've got the feeling she's just getting started. Kative
Speaker 2: producer of No Filter is Nama Brown and the senior
Speaker 2: producer is breed Player. Audio production is by Jacob Brown
Speaker 2: and I am your humble host Kate Lanebrook. Thank you
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