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Speaker 2: Mumma Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Ma MIA's twice daily news podcast,

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Speaker 2: The Quickie. What did you do when you woke up

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Speaker 2: this morning? Maybe you checked your phone, took out your retainer,

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Speaker 2: or if you're like me, you popped on your glasses

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Speaker 2: so you can again see the world in definition. But

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Speaker 2: a growing trend of people are doing so much more

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Speaker 3: I fear a movie. You're spending too much time on

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Speaker 3: this up. First it was the mouth.

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Speaker 1: Tape, but then with the orloor dry, digital imasks and

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Speaker 1: there's jastrap.

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Speaker 2: Today we're talking about sleep maxing, the morning shed and

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Speaker 2: all the things people are doing to better their time

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Speaker 2: hours that can now be dedicated to your beauty needs

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Speaker 2: and find out if any of it is actually worth it.

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Speaker 2: But first, here's what's happening around the world today. Monday November,

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Speaker 2: Treasurer Jim Chalmers will announce today that businesses across the

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Speaker 2: country will be mandated to accept cash as payment for

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Speaker 2: essential items to support those who rely on the method

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Speaker 2: of payment ozsies are increasingly turning to digital payment methods

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, with some businesses preferring not to

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Speaker 2: accept cash at all, but with around one point five

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Speaker 2: million Australians believed to be using it to make more

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Speaker 2: than eighty percent of their in person payments, businesses will

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Speaker 2: be mandated to accept cash when selling essentials like groceries

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Speaker 2: and fuel, with appropriate exemptions for small businesses. In a statement,

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Speaker 2: the government said while people were increasingly using digital payment methods,

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Speaker 2: cash provides an easily accessible backup during natural disasters and

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Speaker 2: online outages. The trial of an Australian grandmother detained in

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Speaker 2: Japan on drug trafficking allegations will begin today, with her

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Speaker 2: family saying it is she who is the victim. Fifty

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Speaker 2: eight year old West Australian Donna Nelson, an Indigenous community

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Speaker 2: leader and former WA Greens candidate who also served as

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Speaker 2: the chair of the Perth based Aboriginal Health Service, was

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Speaker 2: arrested for allegedly attempting to import drugs into Tokyo in

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Speaker 2: January last year. Her family claims she's the victim of

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Speaker 2: a romance scammer. The Japanese judicial system is very strict,

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Speaker 2: her family only allowed to speak to her once in

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Speaker 2: the nearly two years she's been behind bars. They thank

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Speaker 2: the Australian Embassy in Japan for their support, saying they

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Speaker 2: hope the judge can see that their mother is the

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Speaker 2: victim of a crime, not a criminal. A verdict is

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Speaker 2: due to be handed down on December four. Gipsy Rose

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Speaker 2: Blanchard has taken to TikTok to tell her followers she'll

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Speaker 2: no longer be sharing personal information on social media to

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Speaker 2: who's currently pregnant with her first child, was released from

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Speaker 2: her mother, who'd put her through intense medical procedures she

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Speaker 2: her to desire a more private life, sharing only with

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Speaker 2: family and her daughter. The world's most expensive banana is

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Speaker 2: the hammer at an auction at Sotheby's New York. The

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Speaker 2: The Comedian and making its debut in twenty nineteen as

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Speaker 2: the Quiki newsroom. Next, are you making the most of

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Speaker 2: your sleep time? And we don't mean by just going

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Speaker 2: to make the most of the time they're in bed,

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Speaker 2: and whether we're doing ourselves a favor or a complete

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Speaker 2: disservice by layering up. The morning shed has emerged as

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Speaker 2: TikTok's latest beauty phenomenon, where users transform their nighttime routine

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Speaker 2: The trends name refers to the process of shedding multiple

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Speaker 2: layers of beauty and wellness products that you apply before bed,

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Speaker 2: and there can be many layers. Check out how much

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Speaker 2: this one TikToker Courtney Snell does before she gets into

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Speaker 4: First things first, we got to prep macastro packet or

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Speaker 4: A newer cleansing oil cleanse number two metacube zeropor pads

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Speaker 4: max soon been sm this from a Korean glass skin

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Speaker 4: care routine to ice creams ext going with a cream moisturizer.

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Speaker 4: Beef tallow Beeftella has literally everything that your skin could

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Speaker 3: Greasy oil, don't get greasy.

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Speaker 4: Extra oil is so super hydrating, but it won't clog

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Speaker 4: your port. A hair bonnet, an overnight mask either snail

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Speaker 3: Last, but not least, the most.

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Speaker 4: Life changing part of this entire routine mouth tape that is.

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Speaker 2: No less than ten steps and she hasn't even brushed

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Speaker 2: her teeth. These content creators will then film themselves removing

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Speaker 2: moment that has captivated TikTok audiences. They're glowing skin, wrinkle

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Speaker 2: free faces, and fresh, bouncy hair. The trend has particularly

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Speaker 2: resonated with busy individuals, especially parents who appreciate maximizing their

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Speaker 2: beauty routine during sleep hours. Aaron Dockety is Muma MEA's

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Speaker 2: podcast erin Are you a Morning shed Girl?

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Speaker 3: Claire, No, I feel like I'm doing the very least.

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Speaker 5: I was just going to say, like this morning, I

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Speaker 5: from a beauty editor, but Claire, like, this just sounds

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to get into it with you.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the idea, right, is that it's supposed to

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Speaker 2: make your beauty routine easier because it's essentially working for

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Speaker 5: All right, it requires a lot of prep, it requires

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Speaker 5: honestly don't know how people are actually getting a good

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Speaker 2: The first one I think that sounds the most uncomfortable

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Speaker 2: is heatless curls, because people put all these things on

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Claire, I tried this hack for mom

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Speaker 3: and me. I did a tried and tested wearing sock curlers.

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Speaker 3: for lots of people they work. I mean, it depends

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Speaker 2: dubious about whether they work or not, the heatless curlers

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Speaker 5: I think the heatless curls there's definitely a trick to them,

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Speaker 5: and you can totally wake up with beautiful, bouncy, blowout

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Speaker 3: There's a lot that goes into it.

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Speaker 2: Can we talk about caster oil in your belly button business?

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Speaker 2: This is a relatively new one that I've seen. Why

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Speaker 5: How did we get Yeah, so influencers on social media recently,

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Speaker 5: they're basically tauting cast oil as the new natural alternative

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Speaker 5: Using these specialized compression wraps applying cast oil to them

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Speaker 3: But people are not only.

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Speaker 2: And yes, that is very problematic. One you mentioned there

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Speaker 2: Are these masks actually good for your skin to leave

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Speaker 5: Mean, obviously the sheep masks are great for hydrating the skin,

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Speaker 5: whether or not you need to leave it on for

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Speaker 5: eight hours, I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, their effect also is going.

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Speaker 5: To be temporary because we're constantly dehydrating. A skin's constantly

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Speaker 3: So unless you live in a really.

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Speaker 5: skin's going to change. So you can do this every night,

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Speaker 5: your skin will feel more hydrated in the morning. But

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Speaker 5: I don't think there's anything really behind leaving it on

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Speaker 5: for eight hours.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned about cutting off your circulation.

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Speaker 5: The jawline slings are another hack that influencers are wearing.

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Speaker 5: They're basically like face bands and chin straps and they're

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Speaker 5: using them to kind of like define and sculpt their jawline.

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Speaker 5: But these are the kind of compression bands that people

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Speaker 5: And I recently spoke to a dormatologist about this, and

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Speaker 5: she was saying, this is essentially restricting your blood flow

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Speaker 5: I'm thinking these people better be brushing their teeth before

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Speaker 2: As Erin mentioned, the sleep maxing trend is another taking

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Speaker 1: A lot of these ideas come about because they're a

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Speaker 1: commercial cell, and all of a sudden we use, for example,

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Speaker 1: mouth taping in a particular way with sleep apnia, and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden it becomes population wide. It's a

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Speaker 1: good thing.

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Speaker 3: It's not.

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Speaker 1: Actually it is in a specific area, the same as

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Speaker 1: jawline support is used in the treatment of sleep atmere

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Speaker 1: again to stop the dropping of the jaw and things

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Speaker 1: like that. But whether or not it has any application

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Speaker 1: to the population at large is very controversial.

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Speaker 2: The next big thing, obviously is the use of magnesium

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Speaker 2: to help you sleep, and there is so many different

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Speaker 2: ways that are being recommended for you to consume it

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Speaker 2: or to use it topically. For example, obviously there's magnesium

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Speaker 2: tablets or powders that you can take, but there's also

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Speaker 2: some people who sell magnesium patches. There's also a spray

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Speaker 2: that you're supposed to administer to the bottom of your

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Speaker 2: feet before you go to sleep. Now we know that

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Speaker 2: there is some connection between magnesium and relaxing the muscles,

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Speaker 2: but is that actually an ingredient we should be incorporating

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Speaker 2: into our sleep routine.

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Speaker 1: I find it really interesting with the magnesium, how we

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Speaker 1: have magnesium spray and patches and all those sorts of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Because our skin is meant to be a barrier to

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Speaker 1: things and to prevent absorption to the skin, it's meant

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Speaker 1: to be in permeanal barrier, and so the idea of

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Speaker 1: spraying magnesium or putting magnesium cream on you as the

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Speaker 1: source of increasing your magnesium in your blood is again

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Speaker 1: an odd thing to think about it, and so often

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Speaker 1: people do report that I'm much better with my magnesium spray.

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Speaker 1: Now we always have to think about place evo. Now,

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Speaker 1: placebo can be quite powerful in these sorts of usage.

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Speaker 1: It can be as high as fifty percent. So if

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Speaker 1: you're getting some people reporting a good result, chances are

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Speaker 1: it's perceivo because controlled trials have not shown that effect. Magnesium, though,

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Speaker 1: as you say, is important in the story of sleep

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Speaker 1: because it's a very important mineral and it is involved

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Speaker 1: in the sleep processes. So if your diet is deficient

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Speaker 1: in magnesium, you may need to supplement with magnesium tablets.

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Speaker 1: Forget about magnesium sprays and magnesium creams. If you really

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Speaker 1: are deficient in magnesium, yes, take a supplement, But the

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Speaker 1: vast majority of us should be getting sufficient magnesium through

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Speaker 1: our diet.

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Speaker 2: The other thing that some people are doing, and sometimes

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Speaker 2: they do incorporate magnesium into this as well as these

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Speaker 2: things that are being referred to as like sleepy girl mocktails. Now,

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Speaker 2: back in you know, when I was a kid, you

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Speaker 2: had a warm milk with some ovaltine in it or

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Speaker 2: something along the lines of that that help do you

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Speaker 2: supposedly get off to sleep. But now there's all these

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Speaker 2: different versions of drinks that you can apparently have before

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Speaker 2: you go to sleep. One popular one is like a

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Speaker 2: tart cherry juice with magnesium in it that's supposed to

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Speaker 2: help you get off to sleep. What do we know

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Speaker 2: about what we should consume before we go to sleep

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Speaker 2: that would actually help us not off.

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Speaker 1: Now, of all the things that we spoken this morning,

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Speaker 1: touch cherry juice does have some basis in research. And

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons for that is has a high

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Speaker 1: level of melatonin in it and it has been shown

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Speaker 1: to improve insomnia in older adults. And I'm talking above fifty,

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Speaker 1: So melatonin can actually really help with sleep onset latency,

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Speaker 1: so the time it takes you to get to sleep,

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Speaker 1: and indeed in sleep consolidation so you sleep becomes more efficient,

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Speaker 1: you don't have as many wakeful periods after sleep on set.

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Speaker 1: So that's actually been shown to be in research, and

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Speaker 1: again it's only been in older adults. Another thing that

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Speaker 1: actually we know can work quite well is key we fruit,

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Speaker 1: again because of some of the things that has in it.

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Speaker 1: Milk that you've spoke about actually has also which is

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Speaker 1: your oval tee has actually been shown to be effective

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Speaker 1: because it's got your typ to fan in an associated

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Speaker 1: with a simple sugar. So some things can actually dietary

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Speaker 1: can improve our ability.

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Speaker 3: To get to sleep and to stay asleep.

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Speaker 1: So the mocktail probably has some worth, and that has

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Speaker 1: been shown particularly so in older adults. So a sleepy

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Speaker 1: girl mocktail seems to be appealing to the twenty to

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Speaker 1: twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Year olds or thirty year olds.

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Speaker 1: Look have it, then nothing bad about them, and they

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Speaker 1: may have a positive effect. And again, the more you

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Speaker 1: perceive something as having a positive effect due to the placeivero,

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Speaker 1: the more likely is to have a positive effect.

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Speaker 2: Just finally, how much does focusing too much on getting

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Speaker 2: off to sleep actually make it worse? There's a lot

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Speaker 2: of videos of young girls who are just waking up

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Speaker 2: in the morning and then they're having to kind of

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Speaker 2: deconstruct the entire process that they did before they went

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Speaker 2: to bed. So they remove their mouth tape, they take

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Speaker 2: off their jaw sling, they take off their eye mask,

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Speaker 2: they take off their silk bonnet. You know, they have

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Speaker 2: to completely undo the work they've done the night before.

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Speaker 2: But is all of that beneficial And maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 2: The routine of it perhaps is what is helpful, but

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Speaker 2: is maybe focusing on it a bit too much also unhelpful.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we can become obsessed with sleep, and that's one

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Speaker 1: of the downsides of trackers. I think trackers have been

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Speaker 1: fabulous in so far as if raised awareness around us

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Speaker 1: sleep and that we're not getting in us sleep oftentimes,

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Speaker 1: but then people can become quite obsessed with getting the

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Speaker 1: right amount of sleep, but actually don't implement the right

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Speaker 1: behaviors to do that, and so it can become very

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Speaker 1: counterproductive and you can start having a lot of anxiety

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Speaker 1: around sleep, which means that you will sleep less. My

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Speaker 1: simple message is anything that makes you sleep better is great.

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Speaker 1: If you think it works, then that's great, but really

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Speaker 1: give yourself the opportunity to get the sleep you need.

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Speaker 1: If you need eight and a half hours, then you're

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Speaker 1: going to have to be in bed for close to

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Speaker 1: nine hours, So you need to go to sleep at

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Speaker 1: ten o'clock at night and be a quake seven o'clock.

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Speaker 1: People don't like to hear that really basic message, so.

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Speaker 2: None of us want to go to bedcom Well, we

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Speaker 2: want to doom scroll until the middle of the night.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 3: And so what we're.

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Speaker 1: Doing is we've got a great world out there that's

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Speaker 1: offering us all these products that will maximize our sleep.

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Speaker 1: You get the best sleep possible in six and a

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Speaker 1: half hours that I've heard people say to me, Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's not equality, Well it's both.

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Speaker 2: As always, when we're talking about TikTok trends that involve

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Speaker 2: anything to do with your health and well being, we

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Speaker 2: need you to know that sometimes these things, while they

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Speaker 2: seem pretty innocuous and harmless, can lead to serious issues

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Speaker 2: down the track. So if you're having issues with sleep

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Speaker 2: or your skin or mouth breathing at night, make sure

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Speaker 2: you reach out to a qualified healthcare professional to find

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Speaker 2: out what the best course of action is for you.

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