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Speaker 2: wait that long Stephen our Covey that says that we

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Seas the YA Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but

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Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than

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Speaker 1: one way. So this is a platform to hear and

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Speaker 1: explore the stories of those who found lives. They adore

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Speaker 1: the good, bad and ugly. The best, worst day will

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Speaker 1: bear all the facets of seizing your Yea. I'm Sarah

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Speaker 1: Davidson or Spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned unentrepreneur who

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Speaker 1: swapped the suits and heels to co found matcha Maiden

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Speaker 1: and matcha Milk Bar. Sez the Ya is a series

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Speaker 1: of conversations on finding a life you love and exploring

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Speaker 1: the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way.

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Speaker 1: Lovely Yighborhood. I'm so excited to present our next mini

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Speaker 1: series in partnership with Seek. It's brought me so much

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Speaker 1: yea to mix up the format and zoom in on

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Speaker 1: particular facets of seizing your yea. So allow me to

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Speaker 1: introduce Finders Seekers. You've all heard me rave on and

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Speaker 1: on about how life unravels in many different chapters, and

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Speaker 1: how the most uncomfortable, scary changes in our lives are

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Speaker 1: usually the most transformative and exciting. One of the many

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Speaker 1: silver linings of an otherwise undesirable few years is the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to clear the slate of habit and obligation to

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Speaker 1: actively seek those changes you've always dreamed of. And there

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Speaker 1: truly is no better time than now, with more jobs

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Speaker 1: driven by a shortage of candidates. The great job boom

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Speaker 1: other Aussies. So in Finders Seekers, we have a host

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Speaker 1: of amazing guests, from coaches to entrepreneurs to help kick

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Speaker 1: by making your next move today. I am thrilled to

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Speaker 1: welcome Kemmy neck for Pill as our very first guest

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Speaker 1: who returns to the show for the second time, and

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Speaker 1: how lucky are we to have her again. If you've

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite people to chat with. You just

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Speaker 1: can't leave her presence without feeling enlightened, empowered, and truly inspired.

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Speaker 1: Go back to episode fifty to hear her full backstory,

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Speaker 1: but to quickly recap Kemy embodies the idea of the

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Speaker 1: nonlinear path yer, spending her childhood with five different foster

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Speaker 1: families with as many different careers following, covering stage and television, acting,

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Speaker 1: calling as a speaker, coach and author of two brilliant books,

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Speaker 1: The Gift of Asking and published only recently Power. Consider

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Speaker 1: yourselves very lucky, yebahood to have an hour of Kemy's time.

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Speaker 1: Her coaching is highly sought after, and if you've ever

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Speaker 1: Kemmy neck for pill lovely Kemmy, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: It is so wonderful to have you on. I think

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Speaker 2: It is a pleasure to be here with you again, sir.

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Speaker 1: For those who haven't heard Kemy's incredible story, you can

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Speaker 2: It's so interesting because being a coach, you know, I

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Speaker 2: that the societal structures that we have around jobs is

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Speaker 2: we live within seasons. For those of us especially that

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that is so powerful. This is why

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Speaker 1: you're one of my very very favorite people to speak to,

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Speaker 1: and every time I am in your presence, I feel

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Speaker 1: me because I think of the terrible couple of years

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Speaker 1: we've had, we've also had an amazing opportunity to clear

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Speaker 1: is possible. You can choose really to do anything you want.

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Speaker 1: We've kind of had the chance to stop the momentum

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Speaker 1: You know, where we want to be and what we

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Speaker 1: and very aptly a Woman's Guide to Living and leading

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Speaker 1: power rather than give it away. How do you move

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Speaker 1: people through those fears and uncertainties but encourage them to

436
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Speaker 1: do it anyway, because you don't want them to miss

437
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Speaker 1: all the chance for this unique cultural phenomenon. You don't

438
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Speaker 1: want to look back in ten years and think there

439
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Speaker 1: was no better time to do that.

440
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Speaker 3: Why didn't I do it?

441
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Speaker 2: And I love so I didn't know those statistics either,

442
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Speaker 2: you know, I didn't know that this. There's this great

443
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Speaker 2: job pool now at the same time obviously as the

444
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Speaker 2: great resignation. So it's kind of like a lot of

445
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,640
Speaker 2: people are realizing they want more and there are these

446
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Speaker 2: jobs available now that were never available before. So couple

447
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Speaker 2: of things. One, I got to a point in my

448
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 2: acting career when my agent at the time said to me,

449
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Speaker 2: where now at a point that we need to start

450
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Speaker 2: doing auditions in Hollywood? And that was when I think

451
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Speaker 2: about it. That was a time when I realized I

452
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Speaker 2: don't want the next level of this. Yes, because that's

453
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Speaker 2: the other thing is And it's Stephen our Covey that

454
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Speaker 2: says that we get to the top of the ladder

455
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Speaker 2: and then we realize either it was the wrong ladder

456
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Speaker 2: or the ladder was up against the wrong wall, and

457
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Speaker 2: I just knew, Yeah, there's your quote.

458
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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm like a moment for this. I need to

459
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Speaker 1: write down the times down for this is the quote

460
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Speaker 1: I'm pulling out.

461
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Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean, I think it's one of the

462
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Speaker 2: quotes that stuck to me so much. With the habits

463
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Speaker 2: of highly effective people, you know that we need to

464
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Speaker 2: take the time to check is this the ladder? Is

465
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Speaker 2: this the right wall? Because whatever point we are in

466
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Speaker 2: in our life, we are using resources all the time,

467
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 2: whether that is life energy, internal resources, external resources, So

468
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Speaker 2: it's important to keep checking in is this where I

469
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Speaker 2: want to be? This was the right ladder four years ago?

470
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Speaker 2: Is it still the right ladder? If it is fantastic?

471
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Speaker 2: And I'm going to segue with ladders now, I'm quite

472
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Speaker 2: toughed with myself into what you said around people taking

473
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Speaker 2: the leap. So this is a really interesting thing. And

474
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Speaker 2: in some ways this is a difference between being a

475
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Speaker 2: coach and being a consultant. So it's important for me

476
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Speaker 2: that I don't have an agenda with my clients. They

477
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Speaker 2: have an agenda and I am there to support them,

478
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Speaker 2: but I am very open to their agenda changing, and

479
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 2: my job is for them to really understand who they are,

480
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Speaker 2: not who they think they should be. So what I

481
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Speaker 2: might say to a client in the situation where they

482
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Speaker 2: want to move from one profession to the next, or

483
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Speaker 2: look at a promotion within the industry that they're in,

484
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Speaker 2: whatever it is, I will say to them, would you

485
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Speaker 2: consider yourself to be someone that is happy to look

486
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Speaker 2: at the edge of a cliff and just run for

487
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Speaker 2: it and give it everything and jump off and you

488
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Speaker 2: just trust there's going to be a mattress at the bottom.

489
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Speaker 2: Or are you someone that wants to go to the cliff,

490
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Speaker 2: look over, see how far down you have to go.

491
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Speaker 2: You want to take your time to find the perfect

492
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Speaker 2: wood to build the perfect ladder that you're going to

493
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Speaker 2: climb down when you're ready. You've sourced your mattress, it's

494
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 2: all eco fibers, it's ready there for you, so that

495
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 2: when land, it's there for you. And I think it's

496
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Speaker 2: very important that we under and obviously there are gray

497
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 2: areas in between, but it this kind of gives peop

498
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Speaker 2: a little bit of an idea because some people think

499
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Speaker 2: they should jump and as you say, when there are

500
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Speaker 2: actual financial responsibilities. It can be hard for some people

501
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Speaker 2: to jump. They're like, that doesn't feel responsible for me,

502
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Speaker 2: And that's kind of the fifth power principle is responsibility.

503
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Speaker 2: They may think it is not the responsible thing as

504
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Speaker 2: a parent to just jump. But I am willing to

505
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Speaker 2: over the next six months or over the next six years,

506
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Speaker 2: work out and exit plan, or start looking at jobs

507
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Speaker 2: and maybe have some interviews so I can start to

508
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Speaker 2: see what is out there and where my skills are

509
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 2: now relevant at this time. So understanding who we are

510
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Speaker 2: as we step into new opportunities and new job opportunities

511
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Speaker 2: is really really important.

512
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I think that's one of the things I

513
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: maybe didn't emphasize enough in the earliest days of CZ.

514
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Speaker 1: THEAI was very pro leave your job, find your passion,

515
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Speaker 1: do you, which is a very big part of the message.

516
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Speaker 1: But it's also within the matrix of what is going to,

517
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Speaker 1: you know, remove pain and struggle and enhance freedom and joy.

518
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Speaker 1: And if you leave your job in a terrible financial matrix,

519
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,479
Speaker 1: it's not going to cause joy for you, you know,

520
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 1: so it has to be right for you. And that's

521
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Speaker 1: also why the entrepreneurial pathway is something I wanted to

522
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Speaker 1: emphasize a lot because of the great job boom that

523
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Speaker 1: some people are terribly suited to running their own business.

524
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Speaker 1: Some people really wouldn't thrive in that scenario. And there

525
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Speaker 1: are so many people who I speak to who have

526
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Speaker 1: maybe even more potential for creativity and growth within a

527
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Speaker 1: company than they would outside of it. So do you

528
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Speaker 1: find with your clients that you get like an equal

529
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Speaker 1: number of people within a corporate structure as you do

530
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Speaker 1: in business? Is a bit of both. Do they face

531
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Speaker 1: similar or different challenges? And is your advice the same?

532
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Speaker 2: Well, I work with entrepreneurs and people thin the corporate

533
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Speaker 2: because I want to have a diverse coaching practice and

534
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 2: I love, you know, supporting and walking alongside clients depending

535
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Speaker 2: on where they are. I think for women, the level

536
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Speaker 2: of self doubt sometimes can be the same regardless of

537
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Speaker 2: the industry and that idea of giving away power. So

538
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 2: maybe for an entrepreneur, someone hasn't paid, you know, a supply,

539
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: hasn't paid something on time, and they're too scared to

540
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: follow up because they think that they may not be

541
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Speaker 2: liked even if they have given the service and everything

542
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Speaker 2: that they may think, oh but they might not like me.

543
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Speaker 2: They might think I'm pushing. I'm like, no, they might

544
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Speaker 2: just think that they need to pay you the money

545
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Speaker 2: for the service that you gave them, you know. And

546
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Speaker 2: then in terms of court put it, maybe that a

547
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Speaker 2: woman has spent I've worked with her for a while

548
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Speaker 2: to get into a particular room, so let's just say

549
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Speaker 2: that's a particular leadership level. But then once she's in

550
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Speaker 2: the room, she then has this fear of actually speaking

551
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Speaker 2: in that room. So then it's like, so, what does

552
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: power look like for you? The second power principle is ownership.

553
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Speaker 2: It's like owning that you are in that room for

554
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Speaker 2: a reason, and owning that your voice matters. If it didn't,

555
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: you wouldn't be in the room. You know. The corporate

556
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 2: structure in some way so systemic that no one's in

557
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: a room by accident. You're bare for a reason, so

558
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: why would you not capitalize on that reason. So in

559
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: some ways, yes, it's the same in that we're always

560
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 2: happened to look at what our internal story is. But

561
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 2: they're dealing with different day to day challenges in those environments.

562
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Speaker 1: And I found it really interesting that in the subheading

563
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Speaker 1: of the book is the concept of a Woman's Guide

564
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Speaker 1: to Living without apology, which must mean that living with

565
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: apology is something that's more widespread, probably than we understand.

566
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Speaker 1: Even though looking at my own journey, I can see

567
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Speaker 1: how many times I am the biggest overapologizer, the biggest appeaser,

568
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: you know. And I've had to really talk about conditioning before.

569
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: It's something I have absolutely been conditioned towards because I

570
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 1: don't like confrontation. I like to keep the water smooth.

571
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Speaker 1: I liked everyone to be happy, and I mean obviously

572
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Speaker 1: sees the a I want yay joy like rainbows and love,

573
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Speaker 1: but sometimes that's not going to get you anywhere.

574
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Speaker 2: No, because of the weight, the weight of being burdened

575
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Speaker 2: with making everyone happy. Let's just take that, Just think

576
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Speaker 2: of that for a moment, like, how is it even

577
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Speaker 2: possible for us to make everybody happy?

578
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Speaker 1: And I feel like I've learned the only way you

579
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: can do that is by being nobody or everybody And

580
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Speaker 1: in that if I'm doing that, then I'm not actually

581
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: sticking to anything, because if everyone around me is happy,

582
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Speaker 1: I'm obviously shape shifting and not like losing myself in

583
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Speaker 1: how many different ways I'm trying to you know, So

584
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Speaker 1: on that note for women in particular, but I think

585
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Speaker 1: for anyone really who's navigating applying for new positions, balancing

586
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Speaker 1: assertiveness to put themselves forward for these new positions, whether

587
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: within a company or between jobs or industries, assertiveness versus

588
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: feeling comfortable that you're not tooting your own horn too much.

589
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: Like there's such a hard matrix and fine line between

590
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: assertiveness and likability, particularly for women. There's owning your power,

591
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: but being humble about your power. There's just so much

592
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: much like, how do you encourage people to drop the

593
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: self doubt but still navigate not pushing too hard or

594
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Speaker 1: not not being themselves either because you know, I like

595
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: my seizing my power is a lot less assertive probably

596
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: than the next person because I'm like a bit softer,

597
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: but I still you know what I mean, how do

598
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Speaker 1: you help people find that nice middle ground.

599
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Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing about how I you know, how

600
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Speaker 2: I've done the book, and I think it's good to

601
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 2: probably share with the listeners what the five principles after

602
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: they've kind of dipped into it.

603
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: Two.

604
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: So the first one is presence, the second is ownership,

605
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: the third is wisdom, the fourth is equality, and the

606
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 2: fifth is responsibility. And I wrote this book so that

607
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: we as women can look at a different form of

608
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: power than maybe the power that we think of. Most

609
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: of us don't wake up and think, oh, I wonder

610
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: my relationship.

611
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: With power is you do.

612
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: Well? I have gathered information over a period of time,

613
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: you know, to kind of look at what is it

614
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: the world needs from women right now? You know, we

615
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: have these incredible opportunities, but we don't feel that we

616
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: can stand in them. And this form of power that

617
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: I talk about is not about power over and dominating

618
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: other people. It very much comes from the Oxford Dictionary definition,

619
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Speaker 2: which is that power is the ability to act or

620
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: do something in a particular way. And when we look

621
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: at it like that, it means we all have power

622
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: in different situations. And what I'd like to share because

623
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Speaker 2: I really don't give advice as a coach, but I

624
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: do share stories. So just to speak to what you

625
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 2: just said, something that just came to mind is that

626
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: when I would go for auditions as an actor, I

627
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: knew that when I walked out of that room, even

628
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: if I wasn't chosen for the role, that I didn't

629
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: have a conversation in my head of oh I could

630
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: have been more like this, Oh I should have been

631
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: more like this. Oh I should have been more assertive.

632
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: Oh I could have been a little bit more, because

633
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 2: that's just what I call eating your brain like, it's

634
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: just exhausting. I wanted to be able to go in

635
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: present myself as myself who I was at that time,

636
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: in my early to mid twenties, and you know, read

637
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: the scripts and do what they asked of me. But

638
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: that once I walked out of that room, I was like, Yep,

639
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: you showed up. You showed who you were. You know,

640
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: you said you might if you're nervous, you say, I'm

641
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: really nervous being here today, or I can't believe I'm

642
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: here today, or you know, I would just share who

643
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: I was with them, and when I left, I couldn't

644
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: be any more or any less of myself. I think

645
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: once we start to, as you say, the shape shifting,

646
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: we're actually starting to manipulate the environment and the people

647
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: in front of us. We're trying to make ourselves more

648
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: of something so they will say yes to us. But

649
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 2: what happens if we're not really that more of something

650
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: and they've hired that more of something and every day

651
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: you go into work, you have to bring the thing

652
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: that isn't actually you anyway? You know that is Yeah,

653
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: you're not even getting on the ladder then, because then

654
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: you're already starting with a manipulated version of yourself to

655
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: get the yes for a person that you're not. And

656
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: it gets very complex once you get into that kind

657
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: of work environment.

658
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: Lovely yighborhood. You all know how excited I get about

659
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: life unraveling in chapters and how uncertainty is the greatest

660
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: platform for opportunity. After a few tough years, the great

661
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: job boom is upon us and there has never been

662
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: a better time to start the next step in your path.

663
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: Ya.

664
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Speaker 1: We talk at length on this show about the obstacles

665
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: to change, and the statistics are real. Forty five percent,

666
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 1: nearly half of OSSI's are worried their skills and resume

667
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: won't stuck up against other Aussies. Fifty nine percent are

668
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: worried that if they change jobs, it might not be

669
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: the right role or company for them. But if you

670
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: let your mind worry that there's a risk it won't

671
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: work out, logic consists that you must also accept that

672
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: it could also work out better than you had ever dreamed.

673
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: Plus the numbers are on your side in March. Job

674
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: ads on sequel up thirty two percent compared to the

675
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: same time last year and fifty one percent compared to

676
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: pre pandemic levels, but job applications per job ad are

677
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: down forty two percent compared to pre pandemic levels. So

678
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: there are more jobs but less competition than ever before.

679
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: So if you're looking to change Pathia's head on over

680
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: to seek and take advantage of the great job boom.

681
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: Something else that I think you have really helped me

682
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: with is that idea of rejection. Like in any situation

683
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: where you're going to be putting yourself out there for

684
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: newness or growth opportunities, it will almost unfailingly involve quite

685
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: a few no's before you get a yes. Sometimes the

686
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: nose are because you know the universe is redirecting you

687
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,479
Speaker 1: towards a thing that is actually suited for you. Sometimes

688
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: you won't know the reason why you've got to know.

689
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: But if you have come to that opportunity with everything

690
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: that you are and nothing else, then I agree you

691
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: walk away from the rejection going, you know what, that

692
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: wasn't for me, Because if I came as who I

693
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: am and it didn't suit, then it wasn't for me.

694
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: It still hurts, it's still uncomfortable. Yes, how do you

695
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: coach your clients and relating it back to the idea

696
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: of the power dynamic in that suite situation through rejection

697
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: to get to the yes, that is the one that's

698
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: meant for you.

699
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: Well, you've already named it, actually, and that is the

700
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: owning that it hurts. So one be present, be present

701
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: to the feeling like it just feels horrible to be rejected.

702
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: And I think we have a society. It's like, oh no, no,

703
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: let's find the silver lining, let's find the lesson. No,

704
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,959
Speaker 2: just be devastated, like eat ice cream, go and lot

705
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: yourself in the cupboard and feel devastated and own it

706
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: and just be with wow, this is hard. But also

707
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: then we can also sit that alongside with why am

708
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: I doing this? So this is hard, but it's not

709
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: as hard as being in a professional in a job

710
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: that is sucking the life out of me and has

711
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: been for the last few years. You know, like, yes,

712
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,239
Speaker 2: this hurts, I need to call a friend, I need

713
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 2: to do whatever it is I need to do. But

714
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: that actually, I'm going to get up and I'm going

715
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: to get back out there again because my life is

716
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: important to me. And when we think about how much

717
00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: time we spend at work, it is so important that

718
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: we craft a life. And that's the thing about responsibility,

719
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: that is, it is our responsibility to craft the work

720
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 2: environments that allow us to show up and give what

721
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: we have to give. And if we're not taking responsibility

722
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 2: for that, there's nothing wrong about that. As a coach,

723
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: I just call that feedback. We'll just find ourselves in

724
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 2: default careers, living to the expectations of other people, living

725
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 2: to the expectations of our bosses. And you know, I've

726
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 2: had quite a few people say to me that they

727
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: basically looked at the boss that was above them or

728
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: the big boss, you know, the CEO, and just thought, hmm,

729
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 2: do I want their life? Oh, that's the ladder moment.

730
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: That's the ladder moment again. It's like I'm climbing a ladder,

731
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: But when I look at the person at the top

732
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: of the ladder, is that what I want? The way

733
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: that they speak to people, or the way that they

734
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: don't see their family, or the way that they don't

735
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 2: have any hobbies, or the fact that they don't sleep

736
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 2: or they don't look after themselves, or they're drinking every night,

737
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: like once again, to give ourselves the opportunity to be

738
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 2: present to what is working in my life, what is

739
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: not working in my life. And then the ultimate power

740
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 2: is taking responsibility for both celebrating what is working, because

741
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: obviously some people listening to this are in their dream jobs,

742
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: you know, and I always say, if you're in your

743
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: dream job, that is not an accident. You know, that

744
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: is not an accident. You have worked out what you've

745
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: wanted and you have managed to create that. And then

746
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 2: for other people, it is a case of oh, okay,

747
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: when I look at what's not working, it's actually the

748
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: people that I work with. I don't know how you were, Sarah,

749
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: when you first sort of got into work, but I

750
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 2: remember when I was sort of temping as a young

751
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: you know, just sort of when you're at college and

752
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: various things. I remember going to one job and this

753
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: kind of shows this is quite a long time ago

754
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 2: because VHS VHS videos I was going into like a factory.

755
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: I had to stick stickers on VHS videos and when

756
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: in you got for eight out. Yeah, it was a

757
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 2: temping job in between drama school, and I think it

758
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: was eight hours on a convey about with other people

759
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: just putting stickers on the vhs, you know. And we

760
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: got back the next day and they said, thank you

761
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: for your work yesterday. It was the wrong stickers, so

762
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: today you're going to take more off, and I just

763
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: went thanks by.

764
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that, No, but I have.

765
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 2: Done even more boring jobs than that that. The people

766
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: around me have been incredible. But the people at that

767
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: job were not great, and they were just gossiping and

768
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: it was just not It just wasn't a nice environment.

769
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: And I realized what's important for me is the people

770
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 2: I spend my time with. That's more important to me

771
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: than what the job is in itself. And obviously it's

772
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: a dream job if you can have both. You know,

773
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: you love your job and you love the people that

774
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 2: you get to spend time with. But I think that's

775
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: another thing. You work out who you are and what matters.

776
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: Maybe the job isn't the job that lights you up,

777
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: and it's your seize your yea. But I know, as

778
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 2: you say this, but it allows you your job allows

779
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 2: you to seize your ya outside of work hours, then

780
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: that can work. If you just know, no, I'm happy,

781
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: my job doesn't have to set me on fire because

782
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 2: it allows me to do things outside of my work

783
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: that set me on fire. But for other people, no,

784
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 2: I want my work to have deep meaning and I

785
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: need to be passionate, and those people are. We're practiced

786
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: at rejection, practice at being uncomfortable. It doesn't make it easier,

787
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 2: but we do understand it's part of the journey.

788
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, absolutely, that is so powerful, And that

789
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: is one of the things I think I took out

790
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: of the book the most was the idea that even

791
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: in being someone who's quite practiced at things like self

792
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: doubt or imposter syndrome and practiced at the discomfort of

793
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: growth opportunities, I think it's very, very easy for us

794
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 1: to fall into the idea that power means power over somebody,

795
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: over somebody else, Like there's a limited amount of power

796
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: and we all got to spread it around, and some

797
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: of us will have more and some of us will

798
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: have less. And that's how power is generally perceived in society,

799
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: that those up here have it and those down here don't,

800
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: to the exclusion of you know, there's like a finite amount.

801
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:38,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

802
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: Something you wrote it's beautiful in the note that you

803
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: sent with the book was that of the five pillars

804
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: or the five principles, you think of me as having ownership,

805
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: ownership of my story, my journey, and my self would

806
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: And that was such a big compliment to me, because

807
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: I do feel like I've shaped shifted a lot in

808
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: my time and not owned who I really am or

809
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: what I really want to please whoever I'm trying to

810
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: please at the moment. But you have shown me through

811
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: this book, but also in many conversations we've had before

812
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: this book came out, that power is an internal thing.

813
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: It's really just the ability, and that comes links to

814
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: responsibility being the fifth principle that like life isn't happening

815
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: to you, parts of it are parts of it you

816
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: can't change, but you don't have to be reactive all

817
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: the time. Power just means proactivity. It just means power

818
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: over your own circumstances. It doesn't mean over anybody else.

819
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 1: It's actually not related to anybody else, even though it's

820
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: used that way. Sometimes it just means you can choose

821
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: that you want YEA in your job. You can choose

822
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: you don't care about YEA in your job. If you

823
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: have YEA on the weekend, you can choose whatever compromise

824
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: works for you, and you can also choose that one

825
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 1: day the dream job that you thought was your dream

826
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: job is no longer your dream job. You know, at

827
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: any one time you've you've got the power, and that

828
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 1: I think is so valuable.

829
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, one percent. And as I talk about in the book,

830
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 2: you know, it's not twenty one days to power. We

831
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 2: move in and out of power all of the time.

832
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: We're walking to certain rooms and feel powerless other rooms

833
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: where feel no, I'm grounded in my power. The power

834
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 2: comes from knowing when those moments are And as you say,

835
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: what are the actions I need to take to rebuild

836
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: my power back up? Or if I can't, who are

837
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: the people around me that I know will remind me

838
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: of my power, of my power when I think I

839
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 2: don't have any Because as that quote that you shared

840
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: at the beginning, Alice Walker, the biggest mistake that people

841
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: make is thinking that they don't have any power in

842
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 2: the first place.

843
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that is because they see it

844
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: as us like me them like they have power. Therefore

845
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: I don't. They can control my working hours or my

846
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: tasks that I do day to day. But yes, that's

847
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: a control, that's like a part of being a leader.

848
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean that you have none. Like again,

849
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: it's it's not like there's a pie chart of power

850
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: and we all split off little bits. It's like, no

851
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: one else is in your own pie chart of power,

852
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, yeah.

853
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh, I love that no one else is

854
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: in your own pie chart. There's a there's a quote.

855
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 4: High power, power pie and that's the and I love

856
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 4: that you share that, and that is you know, that

857
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 4: is that idea of the power the model is, you know,

858
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 4: doctor Brene Brown.

859
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: That's how she's really she's really managed to kind of

860
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 2: distinguish the different form of the power you power over

861
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: and power with and power too. And we see that

862
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: power over playing out in the world right now in

863
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: devastating ways. That idea that power is a scarce resource

864
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 2: and I must have it and you can't have it.

865
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 2: And look, I'll be honest, as a black woman navigating

866
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: mainly white spaces, my relationship to power was white men

867
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Speaker 2: or even white people, full stop. And those stories are

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Speaker 2: kind of woven through the book. In those times where

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Speaker 2: I felt like, no, no, I have no power in

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Speaker 2: the situation at all. I have no power in this

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Speaker 2: situation at all because I'm a black woman, and therefore

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Speaker 2: I would be small. I will not have a voice.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be the angry black woman. I

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Speaker 2: will step back. But what I've noticed in that power

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Speaker 2: principle of ownership is it actually owning all of that,

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Speaker 2: owning that internal story, owning the systems that are at play.

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Speaker 2: These systems are not made up. There has been a

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Speaker 2: system called the patriarchy that has been run by white men,

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Speaker 2: So we have to take that into account and take

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Speaker 2: ownership of that. Also realized within that system, I can

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Speaker 2: choose what power looks like for me, as opposed to

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Speaker 2: if they have it, I don't have any. It is

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Speaker 2: not true. We all have the ability to act in

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Speaker 2: a particular way.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that actually leads really nicely to the finisher,

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Speaker 1: which is your favorite quote. And I know you love

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Speaker 1: quotes just as much as I do, and I thought

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Speaker 1: I would refer back to your September twenty nineteen quote

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Speaker 1: because of the many ways you may have grown and

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Speaker 1: continue to grow, I think this quote still really represents

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Speaker 1: to me what I love about you. And that's the

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00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: quote was. Leaders who live into their values are never

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Speaker 1: silent about hard things. And I think this book is

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Speaker 1: that it's that it's your not being silent about things

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00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: that all of us need to hear. You're helping other

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Speaker 1: women not apologize and be quiet, and not just women, everybody,

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00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: but particularly women, to not be small, to not be quiet,

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00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: to not avoid hard conversations or hard things to the

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Speaker 1: detriment of joy or been a soull fulfillment. But has

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Speaker 1: your favorite quote changed since then?

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Speaker 3: No, I still have my favorite ten thousand.

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Speaker 2: Quotes, and that is definitely you know, that's Brene Brown,

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00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: that quote, And as a you know, dare to lead

904
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Speaker 2: the facilitator, that will always be my one that sits

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Speaker 2: inside of leadership. And you're right, I think that the

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Speaker 2: book is an extension of that. And I have written

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Speaker 2: the book for women, but the men that have read

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00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: it it has really given them an insight into how

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Speaker 2: women have to navigate certain spaces. So that's been great.

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Speaker 2: My favorite quote at the moment is, well, it's been

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Speaker 2: my favorite quote for a long time. That's one of

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Speaker 2: my ten thousand quotes is you get what you focus on,

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Speaker 2: so focus on what you want.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's such a good one, such.

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Speaker 2: A good one, and I can't attribute it to anyone

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm not sure exactly who. I just have

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Speaker 2: it as a card here on my desk, But you know,

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Speaker 2: I think it really ties into what we've been speaking

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Speaker 2: about today. That we can winge about our boss, we

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Speaker 2: can winge about the workload, we can winge about all

921
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Speaker 2: of these things, or we can look at what sort

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Speaker 2: of a boss do I want, what sort of a

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Speaker 2: work environment do I want? How do I want to

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00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: feel at work? And taking the time to focus on

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Speaker 2: the answers to those questions will ultimately if you're willing

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Speaker 2: to take scary action, not waiting for the self doubt

927
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Speaker 2: to go, not waiting until you're not scared, not waiting

928
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Speaker 2: until it doesn't feel lonely, because it is lonely sometimes

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Speaker 2: to make big decisions, but just knowing with all of that,

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Speaker 2: I deserve to create a life and a job for

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Speaker 2: myself that does give me a sense of pleasure and fulfillment,

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Speaker 2: and of course a sense of yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh she's on brand, she's on brand. I just diod

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Speaker 1: the assignment.

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Speaker 2: What the memo got?

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Speaker 3: The one that I just.

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Speaker 1: Want to add, which is another one that really I

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Speaker 1: think follows on from that, but also is something that

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Speaker 1: I think of you when I think of and that's

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Speaker 1: that once you acknowledge the power and know that you

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Speaker 1: have it, it's a different question to then ask for that,

942
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Speaker 1: ask for the things you know you have power for.

943
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Speaker 1: And the quote that I come back to all the

944
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Speaker 1: time is if you don't ask it to know. And

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Speaker 1: for anyone who has a lot of trouble asking with

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Speaker 1: the actual asking Kemmy's.

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Speaker 3: Other book of three, her second.

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Speaker 1: Book is The Gift of Asking, and that goes into

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Speaker 1: our whole nother thing, which is just the language to

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Speaker 1: seize the power that you didn't know you had or

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Speaker 1: thought you might have lost. So for anyone who does

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Speaker 1: also then need the next step, which is how do

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Speaker 1: I ask for that? It's an incredible book as well,

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Speaker 1: so I'll include links to both in the show notes. Kemmy,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining. You are always such

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Speaker 1: a delightful, enlightening person to speak with, and the book

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Speaker 1: was brilliant.

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Speaker 2: Ah, thank you, Sarah. It's so good to see you.

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Speaker 2: And let's do an in real life smoothe soon.

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Speaker 3: I rl irl