1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:19,954 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast from Mamma Mia. Welcome 2 00:00:19,994 --> 00:00:22,034 Speaker 1: to The Spill, your daily pop culture fix. 3 00:00:22,194 --> 00:00:25,074 Speaker 2: I'm Anishis Warren, producer of the Spill, but jumping into 4 00:00:25,114 --> 00:00:26,674 Speaker 2: the hosting chair today and. 5 00:00:26,634 --> 00:00:29,394 Speaker 1: I'm joined by Dane Provis. 6 00:00:29,034 --> 00:00:32,354 Speaker 2: And today's episode is all about child stars or shall 7 00:00:32,354 --> 00:00:34,833 Speaker 2: I say teen stars that we know, we love and 8 00:00:34,874 --> 00:00:39,114 Speaker 2: we're still very dedicated to keeping. We haven't moved on, No, 9 00:00:39,233 --> 00:00:41,873 Speaker 2: I'm still living in that generation we are, And two 10 00:00:42,114 --> 00:00:44,874 Speaker 2: huge names are in the headlines after they both sat 11 00:00:44,913 --> 00:00:49,393 Speaker 2: down separately for long form podcast confessional type interviews where 12 00:00:49,434 --> 00:00:51,793 Speaker 2: they dropped some pretty juicy bombshells. So we're going to 13 00:00:51,873 --> 00:00:54,994 Speaker 2: get into all that, but first let's kick things off 14 00:00:55,034 --> 00:00:57,433 Speaker 2: with one of my favorite child stars of all time. 15 00:00:57,474 --> 00:00:59,514 Speaker 2: And I think you might feel the same teena because 16 00:00:59,514 --> 00:01:01,954 Speaker 2: we're in a similar age group, we grew up watching 17 00:01:01,994 --> 00:01:06,394 Speaker 2: the same stuff, and that is Miley Cyrus aka Hannah Montana. 18 00:01:06,514 --> 00:01:11,194 Speaker 2: Because she's just dropped a trailer for her twentieth anniversary special. 19 00:01:10,874 --> 00:01:17,314 Speaker 1: Are getting emotional. Wow, this show defined for generation. 20 00:01:18,274 --> 00:01:21,794 Speaker 3: This anniversary is for them, which for us, this feels 21 00:01:21,794 --> 00:01:26,514 Speaker 3: like OLM Jimmy. I am so excited and very personally 22 00:01:26,634 --> 00:01:29,074 Speaker 3: invested in this. I feel like my whole childhood was 23 00:01:29,154 --> 00:01:30,514 Speaker 3: colored by Hannah Montana. 24 00:01:30,554 --> 00:01:31,874 Speaker 1: I remember begging my parents. 25 00:01:31,914 --> 00:01:34,354 Speaker 3: I was like, we we need Foxtel because I need 26 00:01:34,354 --> 00:01:35,954 Speaker 3: to get this on my screen, like I begged and 27 00:01:35,994 --> 00:01:37,634 Speaker 3: begged for Hannah Moon data. Yeah. 28 00:01:37,674 --> 00:01:39,434 Speaker 2: Well I woke up to you sending me the link 29 00:01:39,474 --> 00:01:43,114 Speaker 2: to the trailer. I've been waiting. It's just fifteen seconds, 30 00:01:43,154 --> 00:01:45,634 Speaker 2: but we got everything we needed from that fifteen seconds. 31 00:01:45,714 --> 00:01:48,034 Speaker 2: We've obviously known that this is happening for a little while. 32 00:01:48,114 --> 00:01:50,554 Speaker 2: Disney Plus announced it on the seventeenth of February, so 33 00:01:50,874 --> 00:01:53,234 Speaker 2: about three weeks ago. But we've just seen the trailer. 34 00:01:53,434 --> 00:01:56,114 Speaker 2: I mean it's a short trailer, it's only fifteen seconds. 35 00:01:56,114 --> 00:01:57,634 Speaker 1: But what did you think? What was the vibe you 36 00:01:57,634 --> 00:01:58,114 Speaker 1: were catching? 37 00:01:58,154 --> 00:02:00,194 Speaker 3: Well, I was glad to see her back in the wig. 38 00:02:00,234 --> 00:02:02,714 Speaker 3: I think it's actually been fifteen years since we've last 39 00:02:02,754 --> 00:02:05,874 Speaker 3: seen her in the Hannah Montana wig, and it was 40 00:02:05,914 --> 00:02:06,794 Speaker 3: interesting to see. 41 00:02:06,834 --> 00:02:08,994 Speaker 1: You know, how they're bringing it to life. 42 00:02:09,073 --> 00:02:12,154 Speaker 3: I mean my dream would have been like a redo episode, 43 00:02:12,194 --> 00:02:14,554 Speaker 3: Like I would have love to see avery episode and 44 00:02:14,554 --> 00:02:16,794 Speaker 3: see all the cast back. So I am intrigued on 45 00:02:16,834 --> 00:02:19,314 Speaker 3: what they're going to do. With Alex Cooper. They're obviously 46 00:02:19,354 --> 00:02:21,714 Speaker 3: sitting down, I believe, in front of a live audience 47 00:02:22,034 --> 00:02:24,434 Speaker 3: and they're going to be like reflecting on some of 48 00:02:24,474 --> 00:02:25,994 Speaker 3: the best moments and they've. 49 00:02:25,754 --> 00:02:26,714 Speaker 1: Rebuilt the set. 50 00:02:26,914 --> 00:02:29,914 Speaker 3: So I'm very excited and I have all the nostalgic 51 00:02:29,914 --> 00:02:30,634 Speaker 3: feels already. 52 00:02:30,994 --> 00:02:32,914 Speaker 2: I know watching it was it did get you in 53 00:02:32,954 --> 00:02:35,274 Speaker 2: your feel She's walking down the hallway and she says, 54 00:02:35,314 --> 00:02:37,674 Speaker 2: I'm already getting emotional, and she goes. 55 00:02:37,514 --> 00:02:38,314 Speaker 1: Down to the set. 56 00:02:38,514 --> 00:02:41,354 Speaker 2: We see both her parents, Billy Ray and Tish, looking 57 00:02:41,354 --> 00:02:44,514 Speaker 2: through sort of photo albums with her, and this recreated 58 00:02:44,514 --> 00:02:46,954 Speaker 2: set sounds amazing. They go back to the Stuart family 59 00:02:46,994 --> 00:02:49,394 Speaker 2: living room. We see a glimpse of the rotating closet 60 00:02:49,474 --> 00:02:52,154 Speaker 2: that was so comic to the show, and they also 61 00:02:52,354 --> 00:02:55,034 Speaker 2: we see a car pull up with HM twenty on 62 00:02:55,074 --> 00:02:57,634 Speaker 2: the license plate, being like Hanna twenty years and I 63 00:02:57,674 --> 00:02:58,633 Speaker 2: was like so exciting. 64 00:02:58,834 --> 00:03:00,994 Speaker 1: You hear the theme song, this is the life playing 65 00:03:01,074 --> 00:03:03,474 Speaker 1: the background. The music is just like brings you back 66 00:03:03,514 --> 00:03:04,474 Speaker 1: to the top of my life? 67 00:03:04,714 --> 00:03:07,034 Speaker 2: Really does Do you have a favorite Miley or how 68 00:03:07,114 --> 00:03:07,874 Speaker 2: Onetana's song? 69 00:03:07,994 --> 00:03:11,914 Speaker 1: Ooh, maybe like Nobody's perfect? Oh that is yeah, that's 70 00:03:11,914 --> 00:03:12,474 Speaker 1: a nice write. 71 00:03:12,474 --> 00:03:12,714 Speaker 4: Singer. 72 00:03:12,794 --> 00:03:23,274 Speaker 2: Now, okay, well, let's hear a quick second of it. So, 73 00:03:23,354 --> 00:03:25,714 Speaker 2: as you touched on, Alex Cooper from Call Her Daddy 74 00:03:25,754 --> 00:03:27,754 Speaker 2: is going to be interviewing her. I actually think that's 75 00:03:27,794 --> 00:03:29,434 Speaker 2: going to be a great dynamic because they both have 76 00:03:29,514 --> 00:03:32,274 Speaker 2: that sort of fifty bad girl edge, and I'm excited 77 00:03:32,274 --> 00:03:34,234 Speaker 2: for her to interview her about what that time was like. 78 00:03:34,514 --> 00:03:36,474 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I feel like she'll get some really good 79 00:03:36,754 --> 00:03:40,434 Speaker 3: insights into Miley's experiences Hannah and Tana and kind of 80 00:03:40,474 --> 00:03:42,874 Speaker 3: like digging up those secret nuggets that we didn't know 81 00:03:43,074 --> 00:03:46,274 Speaker 3: during her time. I'm also really interested to see Billy 82 00:03:46,394 --> 00:03:48,954 Speaker 3: ray Cyrus come onto the scene. I feel like they 83 00:03:48,994 --> 00:03:50,994 Speaker 3: have had a little bit of a troubled relationship over 84 00:03:51,034 --> 00:03:53,554 Speaker 3: the past couple of years. She came out last year, 85 00:03:53,594 --> 00:03:55,394 Speaker 3: and she did say that one of her songs that 86 00:03:55,434 --> 00:03:56,674 Speaker 3: she released was a nod. 87 00:03:56,514 --> 00:03:57,074 Speaker 1: To her dad. 88 00:03:57,394 --> 00:03:59,594 Speaker 3: She said that it was a peace offering for someone 89 00:03:59,754 --> 00:04:01,914 Speaker 3: that she had lost for a time but always love. 90 00:04:02,034 --> 00:04:04,194 Speaker 3: So it's nice to see him kind of come back 91 00:04:04,234 --> 00:04:05,474 Speaker 3: onto the set back. 92 00:04:05,314 --> 00:04:06,114 Speaker 1: On our screens. 93 00:04:06,194 --> 00:04:09,034 Speaker 2: And what we know so far basically is that there's 94 00:04:09,034 --> 00:04:12,434 Speaker 2: going to be some never before seen archival footage. We 95 00:04:12,474 --> 00:04:14,834 Speaker 2: obviously know They've rebuilt some of the stuff that they 96 00:04:14,954 --> 00:04:17,113 Speaker 2: used during the show, and it's going to be an 97 00:04:17,194 --> 00:04:20,354 Speaker 2: unscripted TV special filmed in front of a live audience, 98 00:04:20,354 --> 00:04:22,193 Speaker 2: and that's going to come out on March twenty fourth, 99 00:04:22,313 --> 00:04:25,233 Speaker 2: which is exactly twenty years to the day since Hannah 100 00:04:25,274 --> 00:04:25,993 Speaker 2: Montana aired. 101 00:04:26,034 --> 00:04:27,714 Speaker 1: I need to get a week for that, like a 102 00:04:27,753 --> 00:04:30,113 Speaker 1: watch party experience. We need to get. 103 00:04:29,953 --> 00:04:33,834 Speaker 2: Blonde twigs and like a microphone And yeah, unconfirmed. There 104 00:04:33,834 --> 00:04:36,313 Speaker 2: will be live musical performances, but it is Hannah Montana, 105 00:04:36,354 --> 00:04:37,393 Speaker 2: so I can't imagine they're not. 106 00:04:37,393 --> 00:04:38,593 Speaker 1: Going to do best of both worlds. 107 00:04:38,594 --> 00:04:41,313 Speaker 2: And hopefully the trailer's nod to the theme song this 108 00:04:41,393 --> 00:04:42,834 Speaker 2: is the Life means they're going to do this is 109 00:04:42,873 --> 00:04:43,154 Speaker 2: the Life. 110 00:04:43,234 --> 00:04:44,753 Speaker 1: I would also love to see some more of the 111 00:04:44,794 --> 00:04:47,553 Speaker 1: cast come back. Yeah, that hasn't been confirmed either. We 112 00:04:47,633 --> 00:04:49,274 Speaker 1: only know so far that Billy Ray is going to 113 00:04:49,313 --> 00:04:50,033 Speaker 1: make an appearance. 114 00:04:50,274 --> 00:04:52,834 Speaker 2: There were obviously some signs that this was happening even 115 00:04:52,834 --> 00:04:55,634 Speaker 2: before Disney announced it. Miley has sort of been teasing 116 00:04:55,633 --> 00:04:57,513 Speaker 2: that they were going to do something to mark. 117 00:04:57,354 --> 00:04:59,034 Speaker 1: The two decades what have we seen? 118 00:04:59,073 --> 00:05:00,994 Speaker 2: That was sort of leading up to that, hinting that 119 00:05:00,993 --> 00:05:02,594 Speaker 2: that special was coming last year. 120 00:05:02,594 --> 00:05:05,113 Speaker 3: Around seven months ago, she had an interview on the 121 00:05:05,193 --> 00:05:07,834 Speaker 3: radio and she did hint towards anniversary. 122 00:05:07,993 --> 00:05:10,113 Speaker 1: She actually called her which we love that, and she. 123 00:05:10,313 --> 00:05:12,993 Speaker 3: First teased, you know, she wanted to create something really 124 00:05:13,034 --> 00:05:15,633 Speaker 3: special for the fans because she knows how much of 125 00:05:15,633 --> 00:05:18,034 Speaker 3: a big part Hannamon Tanna was for so many people, 126 00:05:18,073 --> 00:05:22,314 Speaker 3: including herself. We also saw her early jan she had 127 00:05:22,354 --> 00:05:23,273 Speaker 3: a new haircut. 128 00:05:23,354 --> 00:05:25,914 Speaker 1: She had a blonde Hanamontana esque. 129 00:05:25,714 --> 00:05:28,313 Speaker 3: Haircut where she was asked again on the Red carp 130 00:05:28,313 --> 00:05:30,073 Speaker 3: but you know, what does she have planned? 131 00:05:30,433 --> 00:05:32,354 Speaker 1: And you know she nods, just something special coming. 132 00:05:32,393 --> 00:05:34,594 Speaker 3: So we've known for a while that there is something 133 00:05:34,633 --> 00:05:36,474 Speaker 3: in the works and now we're just seeing a little 134 00:05:36,474 --> 00:05:36,993 Speaker 3: bit more. 135 00:05:36,794 --> 00:05:38,993 Speaker 1: Of a glimpse. But there's not long left to go. 136 00:05:39,313 --> 00:05:41,434 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you've got time much went and forth, Get 137 00:05:41,474 --> 00:05:44,153 Speaker 2: your wigs, get your girlfriends together, and lock in for 138 00:05:44,193 --> 00:05:44,954 Speaker 2: a watch party. 139 00:05:46,794 --> 00:05:49,194 Speaker 3: Next on to another child star who we all still love, 140 00:05:49,274 --> 00:05:52,074 Speaker 3: Cody Simpson, who has had the most interesting career. I 141 00:05:52,073 --> 00:05:54,873 Speaker 3: don't know how many people can say champion swimmer slash 142 00:05:54,953 --> 00:05:58,513 Speaker 3: global pop sensation now. He recently sat down on the 143 00:05:58,513 --> 00:06:01,393 Speaker 3: Weienie to Talk podcast with Paul C. Brunson and he 144 00:06:01,433 --> 00:06:04,273 Speaker 3: got really vulnerable and opened up about some stories earlier 145 00:06:04,313 --> 00:06:06,993 Speaker 3: on in his career for moving from the Gold Coast 146 00:06:07,193 --> 00:06:10,474 Speaker 3: Hollywood life. He also got really candid, you know, about 147 00:06:10,553 --> 00:06:12,873 Speaker 3: how he was put to work in the music industry 148 00:06:12,914 --> 00:06:17,074 Speaker 3: from as early as fourteen years old, and also debriefed 149 00:06:17,113 --> 00:06:19,113 Speaker 3: on some of his most famous exes. 150 00:06:19,393 --> 00:06:23,193 Speaker 1: Yeah, that man has quite the dating resume lineup. We'll 151 00:06:23,193 --> 00:06:24,193 Speaker 1: get to that in a second. 152 00:06:24,274 --> 00:06:26,674 Speaker 2: I mean, this interview was an hour and forty five 153 00:06:26,714 --> 00:06:29,113 Speaker 2: minutes long. And if you told me would you ever 154 00:06:29,154 --> 00:06:31,234 Speaker 2: listen to an hour and forty five minutes of Cody 155 00:06:31,234 --> 00:06:33,954 Speaker 2: Simpson speaking about his life, I would have said probably no. 156 00:06:34,034 --> 00:06:35,674 Speaker 2: But that's what I decided to do this morning. Was 157 00:06:35,753 --> 00:06:37,873 Speaker 2: got a JB fan when I was growing up. 158 00:06:37,953 --> 00:06:39,993 Speaker 1: Oh, JB paved the way for Cody Simpson, and he. 159 00:06:40,034 --> 00:06:41,994 Speaker 3: Feel one of the could you be one or the other? 160 00:06:42,513 --> 00:06:44,274 Speaker 3: It's the similar, but I feel like it was one 161 00:06:44,313 --> 00:06:46,553 Speaker 3: of the other for me. I don't think Cody was 162 00:06:46,553 --> 00:06:49,713 Speaker 3: on Justin Bieber's level. Love you Cody, though, Love you Cody, 163 00:06:49,753 --> 00:06:52,234 Speaker 3: I mean National Treasure singing doing Superstar. 164 00:06:52,873 --> 00:06:55,393 Speaker 2: I think Justin Bieber definitely paved the way for Cody, 165 00:06:55,433 --> 00:06:57,393 Speaker 2: and he actually did address that in a scene he 166 00:06:57,433 --> 00:06:59,634 Speaker 2: talks about how he's not sure if it hadn't been 167 00:06:59,633 --> 00:07:01,553 Speaker 2: for Justin Bieber whether his career would have got to 168 00:07:01,594 --> 00:07:03,354 Speaker 2: the place that it did, because there was that real 169 00:07:03,433 --> 00:07:05,234 Speaker 2: hype among teen girls. 170 00:07:04,873 --> 00:07:06,714 Speaker 1: Of you know, oh my god, this is like teenage boy. 171 00:07:06,753 --> 00:07:07,633 Speaker 1: Really he was out. 172 00:07:07,753 --> 00:07:10,234 Speaker 2: Justin he was remember it, and Scooter Braun was so 173 00:07:10,674 --> 00:07:13,353 Speaker 2: involved in his career as well. One of the things 174 00:07:13,354 --> 00:07:16,154 Speaker 2: that was interesting will get to his crazy dating tales 175 00:07:16,234 --> 00:07:18,953 Speaker 2: in a second, but one thing that is making headlines 176 00:07:18,994 --> 00:07:20,473 Speaker 2: and that I thought was an interesting part of the 177 00:07:20,474 --> 00:07:23,354 Speaker 2: interview is him talking about how when he first moved 178 00:07:23,354 --> 00:07:25,994 Speaker 2: to America and he was about thirteen years old, he 179 00:07:26,114 --> 00:07:30,194 Speaker 2: signed with Atlantic Records, and he's basically said that he's 180 00:07:30,274 --> 00:07:33,194 Speaker 2: only just paid back the cash advance the label gave 181 00:07:33,274 --> 00:07:35,394 Speaker 2: him ahead of the release of his first album, which 182 00:07:35,434 --> 00:07:38,074 Speaker 2: was called Paradise, which came out in twenty twelve, which 183 00:07:38,114 --> 00:07:39,953 Speaker 2: seems crazy to me. You would think someone at that 184 00:07:40,074 --> 00:07:41,833 Speaker 2: level of success, maybe he was paying it off in 185 00:07:41,874 --> 00:07:43,033 Speaker 2: really small installments. 186 00:07:43,434 --> 00:07:45,674 Speaker 1: He had a payment plan he would have. 187 00:07:46,034 --> 00:07:48,754 Speaker 3: That's insane, knowing it's over a decade and having that 188 00:07:48,914 --> 00:07:51,953 Speaker 3: cost looming over your head. I also think it shows 189 00:07:51,953 --> 00:07:53,434 Speaker 3: like how much is he getting paid in swimming? 190 00:07:54,074 --> 00:07:54,833 Speaker 1: Maybe not that much. 191 00:07:54,874 --> 00:07:58,194 Speaker 2: I don't know, but he basically got this advance that 192 00:07:58,274 --> 00:08:00,794 Speaker 2: was for recording sessions for music video shoots. He talks 193 00:08:00,834 --> 00:08:03,354 Speaker 2: about coming back to Australia and how they shut down 194 00:08:03,354 --> 00:08:05,554 Speaker 2: an entire water park in the Gold Coast where he 195 00:08:05,594 --> 00:08:07,354 Speaker 2: grew up to film this music video and all his 196 00:08:07,434 --> 00:08:09,234 Speaker 2: high school friends were like, what the hell's going on? 197 00:08:09,514 --> 00:08:11,074 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it was wet and wild. 198 00:08:11,114 --> 00:08:11,834 Speaker 1: I think that was a thing. 199 00:08:12,034 --> 00:08:13,794 Speaker 2: He didn't name it, but that's like the Big One 200 00:08:13,794 --> 00:08:16,473 Speaker 2: and the Gold Coast. So obviously the label gets a 201 00:08:16,514 --> 00:08:18,393 Speaker 2: cut of all the products that you make. But this 202 00:08:18,474 --> 00:08:21,434 Speaker 2: has taken him roughly fifteen years, because he's twenty nine now, 203 00:08:21,514 --> 00:08:23,314 Speaker 2: so compared to when this album came out. I mean, 204 00:08:23,594 --> 00:08:26,194 Speaker 2: he's very lucky that this worked out because you obviously 205 00:08:26,274 --> 00:08:28,634 Speaker 2: take a huge risk as an Australian moving over there 206 00:08:28,674 --> 00:08:29,514 Speaker 2: hoping to make it. 207 00:08:29,794 --> 00:08:31,674 Speaker 1: And I was thinking when I listened to him that, 208 00:08:31,994 --> 00:08:32,274 Speaker 1: you know. 209 00:08:32,274 --> 00:08:34,874 Speaker 2: His family relocated to the US for him to be 210 00:08:34,874 --> 00:08:37,034 Speaker 2: able to pursue this music dream because that's where the 211 00:08:37,034 --> 00:08:40,114 Speaker 2: opportunity is. And it reminded me of how Taylor Swift's 212 00:08:40,154 --> 00:08:43,594 Speaker 2: parents when she was young relocated from Pennsylvania to Nashville. 213 00:08:43,874 --> 00:08:45,674 Speaker 1: So such a huge part of making. 214 00:08:46,354 --> 00:08:48,314 Speaker 2: As a child star is having your parents back you 215 00:08:48,394 --> 00:08:50,954 Speaker 2: and believe that, you know, take this hugely to uproot 216 00:08:50,954 --> 00:08:53,994 Speaker 2: your family, uproot your siblings, and just hope that it 217 00:08:54,074 --> 00:08:54,634 Speaker 2: works out. 218 00:08:54,794 --> 00:08:56,634 Speaker 3: I know it's such a crazy move as well. On 219 00:08:56,634 --> 00:08:58,554 Speaker 3: the gamble that you take. You know, you're moving for 220 00:08:58,714 --> 00:09:01,154 Speaker 3: people who are kind of promising you the world, And 221 00:09:01,194 --> 00:09:03,914 Speaker 3: there are so many scenarios in which a career like 222 00:09:03,954 --> 00:09:06,434 Speaker 3: Cody's wouldn't have worked out. And you know, I'm sure 223 00:09:06,434 --> 00:09:09,394 Speaker 3: there are so many young artists who probably had that 224 00:09:09,474 --> 00:09:12,074 Speaker 3: level of investment that never made that money back. And 225 00:09:12,114 --> 00:09:15,274 Speaker 3: he's lucky because he's still such a prominent figure and 226 00:09:15,314 --> 00:09:17,754 Speaker 3: he's had such a full career. You know, he's even 227 00:09:17,994 --> 00:09:20,514 Speaker 3: soon to release some more new music he's been hinting 228 00:09:20,914 --> 00:09:23,034 Speaker 3: also in this podcast, so I think he's in a 229 00:09:23,074 --> 00:09:26,713 Speaker 3: really great position. But knowing someone who is so successful 230 00:09:27,194 --> 00:09:30,514 Speaker 3: is still paying off a debt fifteen years later, it's 231 00:09:30,514 --> 00:09:34,234 Speaker 3: no surprise so many artists are moving towards being independent. 232 00:09:34,674 --> 00:09:36,034 Speaker 2: I know I was thinking about it, and I was 233 00:09:36,034 --> 00:09:38,474 Speaker 2: also thinking, do you reckon if our parents had thought 234 00:09:38,474 --> 00:09:40,474 Speaker 2: we were going to be child Soupstars and relocated us 235 00:09:40,514 --> 00:09:41,194 Speaker 2: to La Things. 236 00:09:41,314 --> 00:09:44,034 Speaker 3: Yeah different Now it maybe over for everyone. I honestly, 237 00:09:44,074 --> 00:09:45,953 Speaker 3: when I was younger, I was like, if I just moved, 238 00:09:45,994 --> 00:09:48,274 Speaker 3: like I would be in Disney. Like I have diary 239 00:09:48,394 --> 00:09:50,314 Speaker 3: entries somewhere saying this is part of my era where 240 00:09:50,314 --> 00:09:53,034 Speaker 3: I was begging for Foxtel and for Nickelodeon and Disney. 241 00:09:53,034 --> 00:09:55,154 Speaker 1: I'm like, that was my dream. I used to film. 242 00:09:55,234 --> 00:09:57,754 Speaker 2: I filmed some tapes, sent them to Disney because I 243 00:09:57,754 --> 00:09:59,474 Speaker 2: wanted to be in High School Musical three so bad. 244 00:09:59,474 --> 00:10:00,154 Speaker 1: And I found some. 245 00:10:00,074 --> 00:10:03,914 Speaker 2: Email are they released the tape, probably some defunct Disney email, 246 00:10:03,914 --> 00:10:05,394 Speaker 2: and was like, I really want to be in High 247 00:10:05,394 --> 00:10:07,074 Speaker 2: schol Musical three because I thought they were carved. 248 00:10:07,394 --> 00:10:08,914 Speaker 1: Oh my god. And I think we've me standing on 249 00:10:08,914 --> 00:10:12,234 Speaker 1: a balcony. Oh yeah. So I tried out for Camp Orange. 250 00:10:12,274 --> 00:10:15,514 Speaker 3: So essentially it's like a kid's reality show on Nickelodeon 251 00:10:15,514 --> 00:10:17,394 Speaker 3: that they used to do and I think, I don't. 252 00:10:17,234 --> 00:10:18,114 Speaker 1: Know, you get slims. 253 00:10:18,194 --> 00:10:20,674 Speaker 3: There are like crazy challenges that you do with your partner, 254 00:10:20,954 --> 00:10:24,034 Speaker 3: so essentially you just send in an audition video. That 255 00:10:24,114 --> 00:10:26,474 Speaker 3: was as far as I really got, and the most 256 00:10:26,514 --> 00:10:28,674 Speaker 3: success I saw of it was that I was on 257 00:10:28,794 --> 00:10:30,554 Speaker 3: the ad that they were running and it was just 258 00:10:30,634 --> 00:10:33,274 Speaker 3: me covered in slime, pointing at the camera and I 259 00:10:33,314 --> 00:10:35,914 Speaker 3: was like, are you ready? Nick? And that's as far 260 00:10:35,994 --> 00:10:38,994 Speaker 3: as my Camp Orange career went. Didn't get to LA. 261 00:10:39,154 --> 00:10:41,714 Speaker 3: But if my parents had moved, be over for everyone. 262 00:10:41,794 --> 00:10:43,074 Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's the lesson here. 263 00:10:43,114 --> 00:10:44,914 Speaker 2: If a child wants you to move to America to 264 00:10:44,954 --> 00:10:46,674 Speaker 2: pursue their artistic dreams. 265 00:10:46,394 --> 00:10:48,354 Speaker 1: Just do it. Yeah, no one else is doing it. 266 00:10:48,874 --> 00:10:50,434 Speaker 1: The next Cody Sesson in your hands. 267 00:10:50,834 --> 00:10:53,434 Speaker 2: Well. The other interesting thing that Cody spent quite a 268 00:10:53,474 --> 00:10:55,994 Speaker 2: good chunk of time talking about, which he hasn't gone 269 00:10:55,994 --> 00:10:59,354 Speaker 2: into in such detail before, is his dating resume. 270 00:10:59,754 --> 00:11:02,194 Speaker 3: Oh my god, the lineup of women that he has 271 00:11:02,274 --> 00:11:06,914 Speaker 3: dated is actually crazy. Cody Simpson's first girlfriend was Kylie Jenner. 272 00:11:07,194 --> 00:11:10,274 Speaker 3: What a flex That's insane. It's absolutely wild. He was 273 00:11:10,314 --> 00:11:13,114 Speaker 3: like fifteen. It's sort of like a WAPAD fan fic. 274 00:11:13,194 --> 00:11:15,274 Speaker 3: You know the fact that they met at the Twilight premiere. 275 00:11:15,554 --> 00:11:17,914 Speaker 3: Kylie was there with a sister, Kendall, and they were 276 00:11:17,954 --> 00:11:20,154 Speaker 3: interviewing people on the red carpet and then he just 277 00:11:20,154 --> 00:11:22,074 Speaker 3: says that he got her number, and I know, I 278 00:11:22,114 --> 00:11:24,953 Speaker 3: need more details I know he's literally just moved over 279 00:11:24,994 --> 00:11:27,314 Speaker 3: to La. He just doesn't even know the whole. 280 00:11:27,154 --> 00:11:29,234 Speaker 1: Scene and he's just walked over and given his number. 281 00:11:29,394 --> 00:11:32,234 Speaker 1: Goodness to him. Mad really love that. That's justabing him. 282 00:11:32,274 --> 00:11:34,234 Speaker 1: Was just asking for a number. And then they went 283 00:11:34,274 --> 00:11:36,234 Speaker 1: to the movies. I can't imagine them at the movies, 284 00:11:36,594 --> 00:11:38,954 Speaker 1: and I want more details, like what movie did you see? 285 00:11:39,234 --> 00:11:41,674 Speaker 1: Did you make that you kiss? They definitely kissed. He 286 00:11:41,714 --> 00:11:43,394 Speaker 1: did the arms. 287 00:11:43,114 --> 00:11:46,874 Speaker 2: He did the arm stretching around, and I'm like, did 288 00:11:46,914 --> 00:11:49,714 Speaker 2: you go to dinner with the Kardashians, Like, did. 289 00:11:49,554 --> 00:11:51,953 Speaker 1: You more details on this? I think? 290 00:11:52,314 --> 00:11:54,714 Speaker 2: I mean they did date for about a year, he said, 291 00:11:54,754 --> 00:11:56,474 Speaker 2: So you think he may have met the fam in 292 00:11:56,514 --> 00:11:56,914 Speaker 2: that time? 293 00:11:56,994 --> 00:11:59,554 Speaker 1: Oh for sure. Also like that's a long time at 294 00:11:59,554 --> 00:12:02,234 Speaker 1: that age. Yeah, I agree, at fifteen a year, it's 295 00:12:02,274 --> 00:12:03,114 Speaker 1: the year's ages. 296 00:12:03,314 --> 00:12:05,474 Speaker 2: He said they really bonded over being famous at a 297 00:12:05,474 --> 00:12:06,634 Speaker 2: young age, which is to be fir. I was like, 298 00:12:06,634 --> 00:12:09,074 Speaker 2: it's a little different, Cody, like, she's a cut Ashian Jenna. 299 00:12:09,114 --> 00:12:10,994 Speaker 1: You were like, away, I feel like it's the same. 300 00:12:11,114 --> 00:12:14,434 Speaker 3: It's like over unique situations, Like is that what we're 301 00:12:14,474 --> 00:12:14,874 Speaker 3: calling it? 302 00:12:15,154 --> 00:12:17,954 Speaker 2: I know, but he did say it was very young love, 303 00:12:18,034 --> 00:12:20,594 Speaker 2: and it does sound like it wasn't too serious because 304 00:12:20,754 --> 00:12:23,114 Speaker 2: he does say that his next girlfriend was actually his 305 00:12:23,154 --> 00:12:23,794 Speaker 2: first love. 306 00:12:23,994 --> 00:12:27,754 Speaker 3: You know, this is sorry, I keep remembering random things, 307 00:12:27,754 --> 00:12:30,394 Speaker 3: but it kind of reminds me of when Ariana Grande 308 00:12:30,554 --> 00:12:32,834 Speaker 3: was dating that guy from Australia in the Janoskians. 309 00:12:32,874 --> 00:12:34,714 Speaker 1: Do you remember that? I do remember that she was 310 00:12:34,794 --> 00:12:35,834 Speaker 1: dating Jaybrooks. 311 00:12:36,474 --> 00:12:38,754 Speaker 3: I mean not the same obviously, because Cody Simpson is 312 00:12:38,794 --> 00:12:41,394 Speaker 3: a global pop sensation, but it is one of those 313 00:12:41,434 --> 00:12:43,914 Speaker 3: relationships He's just like, huh, we're just happened, proud for. 314 00:12:43,914 --> 00:12:46,034 Speaker 1: The Aussiest when they land a celebrity. 315 00:12:46,554 --> 00:12:49,514 Speaker 2: So then moving on to Gigi Hadid, who he said was, 316 00:12:49,554 --> 00:12:50,714 Speaker 2: you know, his first love. 317 00:12:51,074 --> 00:12:52,994 Speaker 1: I was a little confused by when he said he 318 00:12:53,034 --> 00:12:54,274 Speaker 1: spotted her at the mall. 319 00:12:54,354 --> 00:12:56,314 Speaker 2: It wasn't super clear if he spotted her in person 320 00:12:56,394 --> 00:12:58,114 Speaker 2: or like on a billboard. Yeah, I thought he just 321 00:12:58,154 --> 00:13:01,274 Speaker 2: saw the billboard and oh, actually, you're right, because then 322 00:13:01,314 --> 00:13:03,194 Speaker 2: he said to his friend do you know who that is? 323 00:13:03,474 --> 00:13:06,314 Speaker 2: And then the friend has given the number of Gigi 324 00:13:06,314 --> 00:13:08,674 Speaker 2: without her from being there. Yeah, I'm like the friendship 325 00:13:08,714 --> 00:13:10,194 Speaker 2: of as Gigi if it was okay to hand out 326 00:13:10,194 --> 00:13:12,754 Speaker 2: her number, so we all just have Gigi Hidd's number. Well, 327 00:13:12,914 --> 00:13:15,114 Speaker 2: I think it was a special kind of celebrity friend. 328 00:13:15,154 --> 00:13:16,634 Speaker 2: I don't think it was like a neighbor. 329 00:13:16,994 --> 00:13:20,834 Speaker 3: Also, something like Cody saying that Gigi was his first love. 330 00:13:20,914 --> 00:13:23,394 Speaker 1: You've just dated Kylie Jennifer a whole year. I think 331 00:13:23,434 --> 00:13:24,114 Speaker 1: it's fair enough. 332 00:13:24,154 --> 00:13:26,034 Speaker 2: Like a lot of us were in fifteen, maybe you 333 00:13:26,074 --> 00:13:27,514 Speaker 2: think you're in love and then you look back on 334 00:13:27,554 --> 00:13:29,514 Speaker 2: it and you're like, that wasn't actually my first love. 335 00:13:29,594 --> 00:13:34,074 Speaker 2: It was Gigi Had did international soupermodel. Honestly, fair, fair, 336 00:13:34,194 --> 00:13:36,754 Speaker 2: that's a big claim. I also think the wild part 337 00:13:36,754 --> 00:13:39,114 Speaker 2: of this story is he called called her so we 338 00:13:39,194 --> 00:13:40,194 Speaker 2: just get this number. 339 00:13:40,594 --> 00:13:42,634 Speaker 1: The fact that she picked up gig Had. 340 00:13:42,794 --> 00:13:44,354 Speaker 2: I mean, I know she wasn't that famous then, but 341 00:13:44,434 --> 00:13:46,754 Speaker 2: still you're in a famous family. She picked up and 342 00:13:46,794 --> 00:13:49,554 Speaker 2: he pictures her this music video concept and he goes, 343 00:13:49,794 --> 00:13:51,154 Speaker 2: do you want to start in my music video? 344 00:13:51,234 --> 00:13:52,474 Speaker 1: Even though there's no music video. 345 00:13:52,554 --> 00:13:56,194 Speaker 2: He's just completely making it up, and she goes, yeah, 346 00:13:56,274 --> 00:13:58,074 Speaker 2: he's essentially tricked her into a date. 347 00:13:58,274 --> 00:14:00,194 Speaker 1: He's tricked a model into a date, I know. 348 00:14:00,274 --> 00:14:02,314 Speaker 2: And then she did end up ages later when they 349 00:14:02,354 --> 00:14:04,754 Speaker 2: were together being in his music video Surfboard because I 350 00:14:04,794 --> 00:14:07,114 Speaker 2: remember watching that and thinking it was like the hottest. 351 00:14:06,794 --> 00:14:10,154 Speaker 3: Video all time peopled through eventually then so she googled 352 00:14:10,194 --> 00:14:10,994 Speaker 3: him in the background. 353 00:14:11,114 --> 00:14:13,833 Speaker 2: Oh he was playing the long game and they were 354 00:14:13,834 --> 00:14:15,234 Speaker 2: together two years on and off. 355 00:14:15,394 --> 00:14:17,953 Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow, I didn't actually realize that at the time, 356 00:14:18,034 --> 00:14:20,594 Speaker 3: that their relationship had gone for so long. And it's 357 00:14:20,634 --> 00:14:23,074 Speaker 3: crazy looking back at like the photos of them, they 358 00:14:23,074 --> 00:14:25,354 Speaker 3: look so young. Obviously it was before you know, her 359 00:14:25,434 --> 00:14:28,754 Speaker 3: career really kicked off, but yeah, it looked like they 360 00:14:28,754 --> 00:14:31,554 Speaker 3: had a really special relationship. And I love how he 361 00:14:31,794 --> 00:14:35,474 Speaker 3: speaks about her, like so softly and so kindly and respectful, 362 00:14:35,554 --> 00:14:37,594 Speaker 3: Like it sounds like they really shared something special. 363 00:14:38,194 --> 00:14:40,114 Speaker 2: I actually thought the way he spoke about all of 364 00:14:40,154 --> 00:14:42,834 Speaker 2: the women stated was really respectful, and he very much 365 00:14:42,874 --> 00:14:45,234 Speaker 2: approached it from that. You know, every relationship is for 366 00:14:45,274 --> 00:14:48,034 Speaker 2: a reason, a season or a lifetime sort of perspective, 367 00:14:48,074 --> 00:14:50,074 Speaker 2: and it was very much like, even when something didn't 368 00:14:50,114 --> 00:14:52,554 Speaker 2: work out, he was very grateful for that period of time. 369 00:14:52,634 --> 00:14:55,554 Speaker 3: I'd love to hear their side and sometimes people are like, yeah, 370 00:14:55,554 --> 00:14:56,954 Speaker 3: it was it wasn't meant to be, and then you 371 00:14:56,994 --> 00:14:58,874 Speaker 3: hear the other side and it's like something crazy. 372 00:14:58,914 --> 00:15:00,434 Speaker 1: Guy he was like you can't even get me popcorn. 373 00:15:01,834 --> 00:15:04,554 Speaker 2: So then we move on to Miley Cyrus and he 374 00:15:04,674 --> 00:15:07,034 Speaker 2: says they were friends since around the age of eight 375 00:15:07,954 --> 00:15:10,434 Speaker 2: and Miley we I think we had a little chuckle 376 00:15:10,474 --> 00:15:12,714 Speaker 2: about this. But Miley created the artwork for one of 377 00:15:12,754 --> 00:15:15,074 Speaker 2: his songs called Flower groundbreaking. 378 00:15:15,354 --> 00:15:18,114 Speaker 1: Think of the artwork groundbreaking. It is a picture of 379 00:15:18,154 --> 00:15:21,154 Speaker 1: a flower. I know she put some real brainstorming into it. 380 00:15:21,154 --> 00:15:23,154 Speaker 1: Thinks like a little daisy. 381 00:15:23,634 --> 00:15:27,434 Speaker 2: Anyway, after years apart, they sort of reconnected post Liam 382 00:15:27,434 --> 00:15:30,594 Speaker 2: hensworth divorce in twenty nineteen, so they were sort of 383 00:15:30,634 --> 00:15:33,394 Speaker 2: a bit of a lockdown relationships definitely giving like a 384 00:15:33,434 --> 00:15:36,714 Speaker 2: COVID situation, and didn't we all have COVID situations, so 385 00:15:36,754 --> 00:15:38,314 Speaker 2: fair it was like, I think they were together for 386 00:15:38,354 --> 00:15:40,994 Speaker 2: like ten months stin which checks out. I think the 387 00:15:41,034 --> 00:15:42,914 Speaker 2: thing about COVID as well, which I mean, tell me 388 00:15:42,914 --> 00:15:45,554 Speaker 2: if you agree. But because you were not really able 389 00:15:45,554 --> 00:15:46,874 Speaker 2: to go out and meet different people. 390 00:15:46,634 --> 00:15:47,594 Speaker 1: Because you had no options. 391 00:15:48,514 --> 00:15:50,314 Speaker 2: I'm not saying he was with Miley because he didn't 392 00:15:50,314 --> 00:15:52,074 Speaker 2: have openmon but the person that you were with before 393 00:15:52,074 --> 00:15:54,914 Speaker 2: you went into lockdown, sort of that would continue because 394 00:15:54,914 --> 00:15:56,914 Speaker 2: you didn't really have the capacity to go out and 395 00:15:56,914 --> 00:15:57,514 Speaker 2: meet other people. 396 00:15:57,594 --> 00:15:59,354 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I think it was a bit of like 397 00:15:59,394 --> 00:16:02,034 Speaker 3: a time capsule in terms of like the person that 398 00:16:02,114 --> 00:16:04,674 Speaker 3: you are, and also taking on a bit of you know, 399 00:16:04,714 --> 00:16:06,394 Speaker 3: we weren't seeing a lot of people see you kind 400 00:16:06,394 --> 00:16:07,714 Speaker 3: of absorb a little like. 401 00:16:07,674 --> 00:16:10,114 Speaker 1: Their energy, and I think we kind of saw that. 402 00:16:10,154 --> 00:16:12,314 Speaker 3: I know, they were getting like they got tattoos at 403 00:16:12,354 --> 00:16:13,914 Speaker 3: the same time, and they were doing a lot of 404 00:16:13,954 --> 00:16:16,154 Speaker 3: those things. Are you kind of doing a new relationship? 405 00:16:16,154 --> 00:16:17,514 Speaker 3: We could tell they were kind of living in their 406 00:16:17,554 --> 00:16:18,474 Speaker 3: own little bubble. 407 00:16:18,834 --> 00:16:18,994 Speaker 4: Yeah. 408 00:16:19,034 --> 00:16:22,074 Speaker 2: And also we're totally projecting about COVID lockdown relationships. I mean, 409 00:16:22,114 --> 00:16:25,394 Speaker 2: they totally may have dated anyway, but I mean it 410 00:16:25,434 --> 00:16:28,034 Speaker 2: does sound like they pretty much did lockdown together. I 411 00:16:28,074 --> 00:16:31,154 Speaker 2: actually remember at the time, or maybe this was slightly 412 00:16:31,194 --> 00:16:34,554 Speaker 2: before Lockdown, I think twenty nineteen, Miley posted on Instagram 413 00:16:34,554 --> 00:16:37,194 Speaker 2: when he visited her in hospital and she had tonsalidis 414 00:16:37,474 --> 00:16:40,234 Speaker 2: and he serenaded her with his song Golden Thing, which 415 00:16:40,234 --> 00:16:42,874 Speaker 2: he actually wrote about her and their relationship. And at 416 00:16:42,874 --> 00:16:44,874 Speaker 2: the time I thought it was incredibly romantic, and then 417 00:16:44,914 --> 00:16:45,914 Speaker 2: no one had done that for me. 418 00:16:46,154 --> 00:16:49,914 Speaker 3: I don't think I want that my nightmarage to be serenaded. Really, yeah, 419 00:16:49,914 --> 00:16:51,474 Speaker 3: I don't want to be serenaded. 420 00:16:51,154 --> 00:16:52,474 Speaker 1: At the hospital. Does feel like a lot. 421 00:16:52,594 --> 00:16:52,794 Speaker 5: Yeah. 422 00:16:52,794 --> 00:16:54,674 Speaker 3: Like if I'm lying down in a hospital bed and 423 00:16:54,714 --> 00:16:56,594 Speaker 3: you get out of guitar, I'm going to panic. 424 00:16:56,754 --> 00:16:59,274 Speaker 1: But you're Miley Cyrus. You have a private room. That's oh, 425 00:16:59,314 --> 00:17:01,034 Speaker 1: that's that's true. Not in front of the ward. 426 00:17:01,114 --> 00:17:01,314 Speaker 4: Yeah. 427 00:17:01,354 --> 00:17:02,954 Speaker 3: I don't think I'm getting the same treatment at my 428 00:17:03,234 --> 00:17:04,593 Speaker 3: at my local GP. 429 00:17:04,554 --> 00:17:07,114 Speaker 1: Someone's like, really ill next you. Sorry, I'm just some song. 430 00:17:07,354 --> 00:17:10,313 Speaker 1: Sorry one second. It sounds like they split pretty amicably. 431 00:17:10,634 --> 00:17:13,234 Speaker 2: He moved back to Australia focus on his swimming career, 432 00:17:13,634 --> 00:17:15,994 Speaker 2: and then he got together with Emma McEwan, which I 433 00:17:15,994 --> 00:17:18,114 Speaker 2: think this is such a telling tale of how who 434 00:17:18,114 --> 00:17:20,154 Speaker 2: you date is just a product of your environment, right. 435 00:17:20,114 --> 00:17:22,234 Speaker 1: Like you go and become a singer over in La. 436 00:17:22,314 --> 00:17:24,914 Speaker 1: Of course you're with Miley singer. Now now you're on 437 00:17:24,954 --> 00:17:27,394 Speaker 1: the swim team. Then you date a swimmer exactly. 438 00:17:27,434 --> 00:17:30,634 Speaker 2: And she is the most decorated Australian Olympian of all times. 439 00:17:30,634 --> 00:17:32,033 Speaker 1: So he could do a lot worse. 440 00:17:32,634 --> 00:17:34,914 Speaker 3: I loved them together. I'm really sad to hear the 441 00:17:34,914 --> 00:17:36,793 Speaker 3: news of the breakup. I feel like she's such a 442 00:17:36,834 --> 00:17:39,914 Speaker 3: golden goal I know, and they had the same swimming trainer. 443 00:17:39,954 --> 00:17:41,754 Speaker 2: There was a group of about ten of them, he said, 444 00:17:41,834 --> 00:17:44,074 Speaker 2: that had the same swimming trainer, and so they became 445 00:17:44,274 --> 00:17:46,674 Speaker 2: really good friends. And he did talk about how when 446 00:17:46,714 --> 00:17:48,794 Speaker 2: you have such a singular focus and you do want 447 00:17:48,834 --> 00:17:52,074 Speaker 2: to achieve such big goals in the swimming world or 448 00:17:52,114 --> 00:17:54,314 Speaker 2: in whatever very competitive sport you are, and you need 449 00:17:54,354 --> 00:17:56,834 Speaker 2: someone who understands that lifestyle. And I can imagine that 450 00:17:56,874 --> 00:17:58,834 Speaker 2: is totally because if you're getting up early, you'd be 451 00:17:58,874 --> 00:17:59,434 Speaker 2: meal prepping. 452 00:17:59,794 --> 00:17:59,994 Speaker 1: Yeah. 453 00:17:59,994 --> 00:18:01,794 Speaker 3: I think swimming is one of those sports where you 454 00:18:01,874 --> 00:18:04,154 Speaker 3: have to be really dedicated. Like you said, it's those 455 00:18:04,194 --> 00:18:06,434 Speaker 3: early mornings. You're pretty much giving up a lot of 456 00:18:06,474 --> 00:18:08,754 Speaker 3: your social life. And I think dating would be really 457 00:18:08,794 --> 00:18:11,674 Speaker 3: hard as an athlete because you give up a lot 458 00:18:11,714 --> 00:18:13,954 Speaker 3: of those social parts of your life where you'd be 459 00:18:13,994 --> 00:18:16,914 Speaker 3: meeting people and having new experiences and you're really just 460 00:18:17,274 --> 00:18:18,273 Speaker 3: focusing on swimming. 461 00:18:18,594 --> 00:18:21,194 Speaker 2: Yeah, And they were together for almost four years. It 462 00:18:21,314 --> 00:18:25,234 Speaker 2: was obviously confirmed last month that they split, but reportedly 463 00:18:25,314 --> 00:18:27,914 Speaker 2: they ended things late last year and it was confirmed 464 00:18:27,914 --> 00:18:31,754 Speaker 2: by Cody's sister on the morning show that things were 465 00:18:31,754 --> 00:18:34,714 Speaker 2: officially over, and everyone was really upset about it because 466 00:18:34,714 --> 00:18:37,194 Speaker 2: they were a bit of an Australian Golden Cocony couple. 467 00:18:37,674 --> 00:18:39,954 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I was thinking this podcast was. 468 00:18:39,914 --> 00:18:43,594 Speaker 2: Probably recorded before that official announcement because that only came 469 00:18:43,594 --> 00:18:46,114 Speaker 2: out last month, and they obviously bulb record podcasts in 470 00:18:46,114 --> 00:18:47,514 Speaker 2: the later true. 471 00:18:47,834 --> 00:18:51,354 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the public always find out last Yeah. Absolutely. 472 00:18:51,474 --> 00:18:53,154 Speaker 2: And he didn't weigh in on it at all in 473 00:18:53,194 --> 00:18:55,313 Speaker 2: this podcast. He didn't even he addressed touch on it. 474 00:18:55,474 --> 00:18:56,994 Speaker 2: But they were broken up. He was just sort of like, 475 00:18:57,034 --> 00:18:59,034 Speaker 2: you know, it was a very special relationship and a 476 00:18:59,074 --> 00:19:00,194 Speaker 2: special time and all of that. 477 00:19:00,354 --> 00:19:03,154 Speaker 1: So now he's back on the market. Yeah, So he's 478 00:19:03,194 --> 00:19:06,994 Speaker 1: been out in Melbourne. He's been having good time. I do. 479 00:19:07,114 --> 00:19:09,594 Speaker 2: I wonder what made him decide to speak in such 480 00:19:09,634 --> 00:19:11,194 Speaker 2: detail about it, or maybe it is that he is 481 00:19:11,274 --> 00:19:14,834 Speaker 2: recently single now and he wants us to know the calibria. 482 00:19:14,114 --> 00:19:16,274 Speaker 3: He can gets like this is what I'm looking for. 483 00:19:16,434 --> 00:19:18,274 Speaker 3: You ready to be in this lineup? 484 00:19:18,554 --> 00:19:22,074 Speaker 2: Well, you know, look out on Raya because he might 485 00:19:22,114 --> 00:19:22,794 Speaker 2: make a comeback. 486 00:19:24,914 --> 00:19:25,474 Speaker 1: So onto. 487 00:19:25,514 --> 00:19:28,914 Speaker 2: Another celebrity teen starlett who is all over the place 488 00:19:28,914 --> 00:19:31,354 Speaker 2: at the moment and just sat down for another long 489 00:19:31,394 --> 00:19:34,634 Speaker 2: form interview, is Hillary Duff. She's still on her press 490 00:19:34,714 --> 00:19:36,994 Speaker 2: run for her new album, which is out called Luck 491 00:19:37,114 --> 00:19:40,034 Speaker 2: or something that came out last month, and she went 492 00:19:40,074 --> 00:19:43,314 Speaker 2: on Ja Shetty's podcast, which is called on Purpose. 493 00:19:42,914 --> 00:19:43,834 Speaker 1: To have a chat. 494 00:19:44,114 --> 00:19:46,194 Speaker 2: Can I just say, I know there are some controversies 495 00:19:46,234 --> 00:19:47,914 Speaker 2: around Jay Shetty, like was he a monk? 496 00:19:48,034 --> 00:19:49,914 Speaker 1: Was he not a monk? Did he plagiarized? Did he 497 00:19:49,954 --> 00:19:53,273 Speaker 1: not plagiarized? Lots of allegations. I quite enjoy the podcast 498 00:19:53,434 --> 00:19:55,674 Speaker 1: or the monk allegation. I know what that was. 499 00:19:55,714 --> 00:19:57,394 Speaker 2: Sort of his claim to fame was that he went 500 00:19:57,434 --> 00:19:58,793 Speaker 2: and lived as a monk, and he brought a lot 501 00:19:58,794 --> 00:20:01,354 Speaker 2: of those teachings back to his everyday life and he 502 00:20:01,394 --> 00:20:04,034 Speaker 2: teaches people about it. I personally think he's quite a 503 00:20:04,074 --> 00:20:06,793 Speaker 2: good interviewer because I think he puts enough of himself 504 00:20:06,874 --> 00:20:09,554 Speaker 2: into the interview to make it relatable. 505 00:20:09,154 --> 00:20:10,274 Speaker 1: Feeling to share as well. 506 00:20:10,474 --> 00:20:12,434 Speaker 2: Yeah it's a warm chat, but he doesn't make it 507 00:20:12,474 --> 00:20:14,194 Speaker 2: all about himself, which is important. 508 00:20:14,234 --> 00:20:14,434 Speaker 3: Yeah. 509 00:20:14,474 --> 00:20:18,674 Speaker 1: Yeah. I also feel like he's quite calming, amazing voice. 510 00:20:18,674 --> 00:20:22,314 Speaker 2: He's British, he lives in La Hillary is obviously using 511 00:20:22,354 --> 00:20:24,273 Speaker 2: this album and all these interviews she's doing as a 512 00:20:24,354 --> 00:20:27,074 Speaker 2: here's who I actually am now it's her whole comeback era, 513 00:20:27,194 --> 00:20:29,674 Speaker 2: And this interview was called Hillary Duff, the human behind 514 00:20:29,714 --> 00:20:32,033 Speaker 2: the headlines. I mean, what did you think when you 515 00:20:32,074 --> 00:20:34,074 Speaker 2: listened to her chatting to him? What was your key 516 00:20:34,114 --> 00:20:36,073 Speaker 2: takeaways from the interview? I think it's nice hearing her 517 00:20:36,114 --> 00:20:36,994 Speaker 2: be so vulnerable. 518 00:20:37,114 --> 00:20:38,994 Speaker 3: You know, as someone who has so much of your 519 00:20:39,034 --> 00:20:42,234 Speaker 3: life on display, you know, you don't have many secrets 520 00:20:42,274 --> 00:20:44,194 Speaker 3: for yourself, and if you do, if they come out, 521 00:20:44,234 --> 00:20:47,034 Speaker 3: you don't control the narrative. So I think seeing her 522 00:20:47,074 --> 00:20:48,593 Speaker 3: like kind of take her power and tell a bit 523 00:20:48,594 --> 00:20:50,274 Speaker 3: of her own story in a way we haven't heard 524 00:20:50,314 --> 00:20:54,074 Speaker 3: before is really powerful and you can really hear that 525 00:20:54,194 --> 00:20:56,794 Speaker 3: it is cathartic for her as well, and it does 526 00:20:57,234 --> 00:20:59,674 Speaker 3: seem like it's quite freeing for her to be able to, 527 00:20:59,954 --> 00:21:03,313 Speaker 3: you know, use her own experiences to tell a new 528 00:21:03,594 --> 00:21:04,954 Speaker 3: background into her life. 529 00:21:05,234 --> 00:21:07,834 Speaker 2: Yeah, it did seem like a very honest ineble chat, 530 00:21:07,834 --> 00:21:09,474 Speaker 2: and she has been having a lot of those on 531 00:21:09,594 --> 00:21:11,793 Speaker 2: this press run, revealing a lot more than we have 532 00:21:11,914 --> 00:21:15,034 Speaker 2: seen before. We will get into the huge stuff, which 533 00:21:15,074 --> 00:21:17,553 Speaker 2: is more on her breakdown of her relationship with her 534 00:21:17,554 --> 00:21:20,914 Speaker 2: sister Hayley, and some revelations about her relationship with her parents. 535 00:21:21,154 --> 00:21:23,394 Speaker 2: But one thing that I thought was really nice, well, 536 00:21:23,394 --> 00:21:25,874 Speaker 2: with an interesting sort of part of the interview, which 537 00:21:25,914 --> 00:21:28,593 Speaker 2: is when she was chatting to Jay about marriage and 538 00:21:28,634 --> 00:21:31,074 Speaker 2: she asked Jay what age he was when he got married. 539 00:21:31,074 --> 00:21:33,154 Speaker 2: He was twenty eight. And they were talking about people 540 00:21:33,194 --> 00:21:35,714 Speaker 2: who get married really young, because she got married at 541 00:21:35,714 --> 00:21:38,594 Speaker 2: twenty two, divorced at twenty eight, and they were saying, 542 00:21:38,634 --> 00:21:41,074 Speaker 2: maybe people get married young at that age because you 543 00:21:41,114 --> 00:21:42,634 Speaker 2: don't know how hard it's going to be, and if 544 00:21:42,674 --> 00:21:44,274 Speaker 2: you actually did know, you wouldn't do it. 545 00:21:44,634 --> 00:21:47,314 Speaker 3: I think that's so true, and I think I'm twenty 546 00:21:47,394 --> 00:21:49,874 Speaker 3: nine now. It's something that I'm thinking about and you know, 547 00:21:49,994 --> 00:21:53,114 Speaker 3: having watched people through my twenties get married early, and 548 00:21:53,194 --> 00:21:55,714 Speaker 3: no wonder like, is that something that I should have done? 549 00:21:55,714 --> 00:21:57,114 Speaker 1: Am I missing out on something? 550 00:21:57,394 --> 00:21:59,314 Speaker 3: But I do feel like as you get older, you 551 00:21:59,394 --> 00:22:02,514 Speaker 3: kind of learn like the intricacies of relationships. And it's 552 00:22:02,754 --> 00:22:05,994 Speaker 3: you know, refreshing to hear her have that conversation. I 553 00:22:06,034 --> 00:22:08,354 Speaker 3: feel like a lot of people don't don't reflect back 554 00:22:08,394 --> 00:22:11,434 Speaker 3: honestly in that way. So it's interesting to hear, you know, 555 00:22:11,674 --> 00:22:13,594 Speaker 3: how she looks back on that time of her life. 556 00:22:13,674 --> 00:22:16,394 Speaker 1: And it's also really nice to hear how she not. 557 00:22:16,314 --> 00:22:18,754 Speaker 2: Only talks about her ex Mike Comray who's a former 558 00:22:18,874 --> 00:22:19,594 Speaker 2: NHL star. 559 00:22:20,034 --> 00:22:22,634 Speaker 1: She talks about how they co parent really well. She 560 00:22:22,634 --> 00:22:25,033 Speaker 1: talks about how they did conscious some coupling before it 561 00:22:25,074 --> 00:22:27,594 Speaker 1: was coined to term and that they mostly do it 562 00:22:27,634 --> 00:22:28,154 Speaker 1: really well. 563 00:22:28,474 --> 00:22:30,514 Speaker 2: And she also, I mean this has been an ongoing 564 00:22:30,514 --> 00:22:33,274 Speaker 2: thing throughout her pressurem but she speaks about her husband 565 00:22:33,354 --> 00:22:36,874 Speaker 2: in such a loving way, Matthew Comer, and she keeps 566 00:22:36,874 --> 00:22:39,834 Speaker 2: returning to words like stable, health, safe. 567 00:22:39,954 --> 00:22:42,553 Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that for her. I feel like she 568 00:22:42,634 --> 00:22:43,994 Speaker 1: really needs like that safe space. 569 00:22:44,034 --> 00:22:45,674 Speaker 3: And it's like nice to hear that she's got like 570 00:22:45,714 --> 00:22:48,474 Speaker 3: such a positive relationship like in her life now. 571 00:22:48,834 --> 00:22:49,114 Speaker 4: I know. 572 00:22:49,234 --> 00:22:51,554 Speaker 2: She also talks with Jay about how when you've had 573 00:22:51,634 --> 00:22:55,314 Speaker 2: years of associating love with these crazy ups and downs, 574 00:22:55,394 --> 00:22:58,074 Speaker 2: the drama, you know, things not working out, maybe a 575 00:22:58,074 --> 00:23:00,874 Speaker 2: lot of passion, but not very grounded and secure, when 576 00:23:00,874 --> 00:23:03,514 Speaker 2: you do actually find something healthy, you're a bit like, oh, 577 00:23:03,674 --> 00:23:04,273 Speaker 2: what's going on? 578 00:23:04,674 --> 00:23:09,074 Speaker 1: Do I yes? Emotional rewire, Yeah yeah. 579 00:23:09,314 --> 00:23:11,154 Speaker 3: I think so many people will be able to relate 580 00:23:11,194 --> 00:23:13,554 Speaker 3: to like that part of her story. You know, those 581 00:23:13,634 --> 00:23:15,914 Speaker 3: ups and downs, and you know, whether it's like romantic 582 00:23:15,994 --> 00:23:18,874 Speaker 3: relationships or with your family, I think you kind of 583 00:23:18,914 --> 00:23:21,634 Speaker 3: pick up a lot of behaviors like along the Way, 584 00:23:21,674 --> 00:23:23,194 Speaker 3: and those do show up. 585 00:23:23,074 --> 00:23:26,714 Speaker 2: In your relationships, absolutely, and she has had quite the 586 00:23:27,074 --> 00:23:30,553 Speaker 2: journey with her family relationships. Obviously, there has been so 587 00:23:30,714 --> 00:23:32,914 Speaker 2: much in the media about her relationship with her sister, 588 00:23:33,034 --> 00:23:36,073 Speaker 2: Haley Duff and them being estranged. So there is this 589 00:23:36,154 --> 00:23:39,114 Speaker 2: really emotional part of the interview where Jay reads out 590 00:23:39,154 --> 00:23:41,354 Speaker 2: some lyrics to her of a song that she wrote 591 00:23:41,434 --> 00:23:44,313 Speaker 2: about her relationship breakdown with her sister. It is a 592 00:23:44,314 --> 00:23:45,874 Speaker 2: little bit long, but we're going to play the clip 593 00:23:45,914 --> 00:23:48,474 Speaker 2: for you because I think it's important to hear her 594 00:23:48,474 --> 00:23:51,354 Speaker 2: emotional reaction and how raw she feels about the situation. 595 00:23:51,794 --> 00:23:54,273 Speaker 4: We come from the same home, the same blood, a 596 00:23:54,314 --> 00:23:57,954 Speaker 4: different explanation of the same thought. People ask if I've 597 00:23:57,994 --> 00:24:00,954 Speaker 4: seen you, and honestly, I hate it because the truth 598 00:24:01,034 --> 00:24:03,074 Speaker 4: is that I need to but there's no way to 599 00:24:03,154 --> 00:24:05,274 Speaker 4: relay it, not if we don't talk. 600 00:24:06,234 --> 00:24:17,594 Speaker 5: Yeah, So that's when we don't talk. And this is 601 00:24:17,594 --> 00:24:26,594 Speaker 5: a hard one for me. This is a really tough one. 602 00:24:26,794 --> 00:24:33,954 Speaker 5: My sister and I don't speak, and I think in 603 00:24:33,994 --> 00:24:38,154 Speaker 5: my adulthood I've come across more and more people that 604 00:24:39,394 --> 00:24:45,833 Speaker 5: are having this experience, and as painful as it feels 605 00:24:45,874 --> 00:24:50,754 Speaker 5: to share when I decided to make this record, I 606 00:24:50,794 --> 00:24:56,914 Speaker 5: could only talk about the things that I've gone through, Like, 607 00:24:56,954 --> 00:24:58,874 Speaker 5: there would be no purpose to make a record after 608 00:24:58,914 --> 00:25:04,634 Speaker 5: ten years then to be than to face you know, 609 00:25:04,714 --> 00:25:16,194 Speaker 5: what it's been like. So that's my truth, and I 610 00:25:16,354 --> 00:25:21,594 Speaker 5: really worked hard to lyrically make sure that I'm just 611 00:25:21,634 --> 00:25:25,634 Speaker 5: speaking about my experience. You know, it's very hard to 612 00:25:25,674 --> 00:25:30,234 Speaker 5: be to be you know, a person who's like had 613 00:25:30,274 --> 00:25:33,074 Speaker 5: their life exposed in the industry for twenty five years. 614 00:25:33,114 --> 00:25:37,273 Speaker 5: And we were talking about, you know that earlier, tiptoeing 615 00:25:37,314 --> 00:25:40,033 Speaker 5: around kind of what the outcome has. 616 00:25:39,914 --> 00:25:40,914 Speaker 1: Been for some of it. 617 00:25:43,154 --> 00:25:46,594 Speaker 5: But yeah, that is it's a very vulnerable song and 618 00:25:46,634 --> 00:25:48,914 Speaker 5: it's a very raw part of my existence. 619 00:25:51,114 --> 00:25:54,194 Speaker 1: And I hope it's not forever, but it's for right now. 620 00:25:54,514 --> 00:25:58,394 Speaker 3: I mean, that is all right, And I think again, 621 00:25:58,754 --> 00:26:01,313 Speaker 3: this is something a lot of people will relate to. 622 00:26:02,034 --> 00:26:03,793 Speaker 1: A lot of people are sharing all the. 623 00:26:03,834 --> 00:26:06,634 Speaker 3: Highlights of their lives and their families, and as you 624 00:26:06,674 --> 00:26:09,194 Speaker 3: get older, I often feel like you've got to be 625 00:26:09,274 --> 00:26:11,914 Speaker 3: lying if you don't have some kind of family few 626 00:26:12,034 --> 00:26:14,834 Speaker 3: going on with someone, you know, whether it is your sister, 627 00:26:14,994 --> 00:26:18,474 Speaker 3: your parents, and it can be really hard and isolating. 628 00:26:18,874 --> 00:26:20,994 Speaker 2: There would also be something about, you know, sitting in 629 00:26:21,074 --> 00:26:24,794 Speaker 2: a recording studio writing lyrics about something so deeply personal, 630 00:26:24,794 --> 00:26:26,434 Speaker 2: but then now it's out in the world and hearing 631 00:26:26,434 --> 00:26:28,274 Speaker 2: someone read it back to you like that, that would 632 00:26:28,314 --> 00:26:30,474 Speaker 2: probably really get you right in your fields. 633 00:26:30,514 --> 00:26:31,434 Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes it real. 634 00:26:31,794 --> 00:26:34,434 Speaker 2: And when we have heard about her relationship with Hailey 635 00:26:34,514 --> 00:26:36,394 Speaker 2: in the lead up to this, she has talked about 636 00:26:36,394 --> 00:26:38,994 Speaker 2: the situation as an estrangement. She's described it as the 637 00:26:39,034 --> 00:26:41,914 Speaker 2: loneliest part of her life in other interviews, and we 638 00:26:41,994 --> 00:26:45,754 Speaker 2: know that they haven't been pictured together publicly since twenty nineteen, 639 00:26:46,274 --> 00:26:49,874 Speaker 2: not much social media interaction. There was the recent Toxic 640 00:26:49,994 --> 00:26:52,114 Speaker 2: Mum group drama, which you know, we can link that 641 00:26:52,154 --> 00:26:54,793 Speaker 2: in the show notes. We covered that extensively on the spill, 642 00:26:55,114 --> 00:26:58,514 Speaker 2: and Haley has ties to Ashley Tisdale, who was opposing 643 00:26:58,594 --> 00:27:00,874 Speaker 2: Hillary in that drama, and they were seen out dining 644 00:27:00,874 --> 00:27:03,234 Speaker 2: together right after, which a lot of people saw as this, 645 00:27:03,274 --> 00:27:06,434 Speaker 2: you know, show of support for Ashley against Hillary. So 646 00:27:06,714 --> 00:27:08,273 Speaker 2: there's a lot going on there, But I think in 647 00:27:08,314 --> 00:27:11,313 Speaker 2: this interview she added a lot of emotional layers to it. She, 648 00:27:11,794 --> 00:27:14,674 Speaker 2: as we heard, talked about how common sibling estrangement is 649 00:27:14,714 --> 00:27:16,954 Speaker 2: as you get older, and that she's come across that 650 00:27:17,034 --> 00:27:19,273 Speaker 2: more and more as an adult. And she did say 651 00:27:19,394 --> 00:27:20,954 Speaker 2: you know that she made a big effort to only 652 00:27:20,954 --> 00:27:23,033 Speaker 2: tell her side of the story. I thought it was 653 00:27:23,074 --> 00:27:25,634 Speaker 2: interesting though, because after she said that, Jay goes on 654 00:27:25,714 --> 00:27:27,754 Speaker 2: to say, oh, I hope your sister hears the song, 655 00:27:27,994 --> 00:27:29,074 Speaker 2: and I was thinking, I. 656 00:27:29,074 --> 00:27:30,794 Speaker 1: Mean, do you think that would make it better or worse? 657 00:27:32,074 --> 00:27:33,954 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it would be touching to know 658 00:27:33,994 --> 00:27:34,754 Speaker 1: how much she cared. 659 00:27:34,754 --> 00:27:37,554 Speaker 3: I feel like if Haley was to hear this interview, 660 00:27:37,874 --> 00:27:40,714 Speaker 3: that would be quite special because they probably haven't had 661 00:27:40,794 --> 00:27:44,194 Speaker 3: like an exchange where Hillary's been able to open up 662 00:27:44,234 --> 00:27:44,834 Speaker 3: in this way. 663 00:27:45,354 --> 00:27:47,314 Speaker 1: But I'm not sure if I would want to hear 664 00:27:47,554 --> 00:27:50,594 Speaker 1: a song, I would rather a voice note, like maybe 665 00:27:50,594 --> 00:27:52,994 Speaker 1: text me directly. Yeah, you know, making money off the 666 00:27:53,074 --> 00:27:54,434 Speaker 1: experience now, yeah. 667 00:27:54,514 --> 00:27:56,313 Speaker 2: I mean there have been lots of rumors about the 668 00:27:56,354 --> 00:27:59,394 Speaker 2: potential reasons for the rift, but in the song, Hillary 669 00:27:59,594 --> 00:28:01,394 Speaker 2: very much says in the lyrics, I'm not sure when 670 00:28:01,434 --> 00:28:03,833 Speaker 2: it happened, not even sure what it was about. 671 00:28:03,994 --> 00:28:05,954 Speaker 1: And I think that is quite relatable. 672 00:28:05,514 --> 00:28:07,474 Speaker 2: Because when you have feuds of people you've known for 673 00:28:07,514 --> 00:28:10,434 Speaker 2: a long time, it rarely is one specific thing that 674 00:28:10,634 --> 00:28:12,794 Speaker 2: is the breaking point. It's usually a lot of resentment 675 00:28:12,794 --> 00:28:14,834 Speaker 2: that is built up and eventually you just can't take 676 00:28:14,834 --> 00:28:15,313 Speaker 2: it anymore. 677 00:28:15,394 --> 00:28:16,354 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very true. 678 00:28:16,354 --> 00:28:18,194 Speaker 3: And I think something as you get old, you learn 679 00:28:18,274 --> 00:28:21,274 Speaker 3: that you know, two people have a very different experience 680 00:28:21,314 --> 00:28:24,553 Speaker 3: of the same relationship, Like it's all based on perspective. 681 00:28:24,634 --> 00:28:26,514 Speaker 3: So I think that's why Hillary makes it really clear, 682 00:28:26,554 --> 00:28:30,034 Speaker 3: like this is my perspective, this is my experience, and 683 00:28:30,154 --> 00:28:32,754 Speaker 3: kind of leaving space for you know, whether Hayley wants 684 00:28:32,794 --> 00:28:34,594 Speaker 3: to pick up her own story. 685 00:28:34,514 --> 00:28:36,274 Speaker 1: And maybe Haley will write a song about it. 686 00:28:37,594 --> 00:28:39,594 Speaker 2: I mean, one thing she did also hint at in 687 00:28:39,594 --> 00:28:42,274 Speaker 2: her song is whether it's about jealousy, she says, and 688 00:28:42,354 --> 00:28:44,754 Speaker 2: if it's because you're jealous, God knows, I would sell 689 00:28:44,754 --> 00:28:46,994 Speaker 2: it all then break you off the bigger half. Oh, 690 00:28:47,034 --> 00:28:48,714 Speaker 2: there was such a duo as well. 691 00:28:48,754 --> 00:28:50,794 Speaker 3: And as Hillary was coming up through the ranks of 692 00:28:50,834 --> 00:28:53,394 Speaker 3: her career, it must have been really hard, you know, 693 00:28:53,874 --> 00:28:56,754 Speaker 3: to be watching from the sidelines a lot of the time. 694 00:28:57,154 --> 00:28:59,914 Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be difficult being that sister who's three 695 00:28:59,994 --> 00:29:02,314 Speaker 2: years older hasn't made it on the same level that 696 00:29:02,394 --> 00:29:04,714 Speaker 2: you have, and you're probably going into these execs offices 697 00:29:04,714 --> 00:29:06,954 Speaker 2: when you're younger, being like, oh, yeah, you're Hillary Dove sister. 698 00:29:07,274 --> 00:29:09,034 Speaker 2: We'll see you know what we can make work. So, 699 00:29:09,354 --> 00:29:10,994 Speaker 2: I mean she's hinted at that in the song. I 700 00:29:10,994 --> 00:29:12,674 Speaker 2: don't know if I if I was using the song 701 00:29:12,714 --> 00:29:14,874 Speaker 2: as an olive branch, if I would bring that up. 702 00:29:14,834 --> 00:29:18,954 Speaker 3: I know, yeah, I probably wouldn't enjoy hearing something about 703 00:29:18,954 --> 00:29:23,554 Speaker 3: myself back. Also, while I think it is respectful the lyrics, 704 00:29:24,034 --> 00:29:24,994 Speaker 3: I think just saying you. 705 00:29:24,914 --> 00:29:26,634 Speaker 1: Know, I don't know if you were jealous, I don't 706 00:29:26,634 --> 00:29:28,594 Speaker 1: know if I'd like to hear that hard truth. No, 707 00:29:28,674 --> 00:29:30,234 Speaker 1: you might not want that thrown back at you. 708 00:29:30,314 --> 00:29:32,474 Speaker 2: But I think it is very sweet what she said 709 00:29:32,514 --> 00:29:35,634 Speaker 2: about hopefully it's not forever, but it is for right now, 710 00:29:35,954 --> 00:29:37,834 Speaker 2: And it does sound like she's very very open to 711 00:29:37,914 --> 00:29:40,434 Speaker 2: a reunion happening. Hopefully that does happen for them in 712 00:29:40,434 --> 00:29:43,714 Speaker 2: the future and they can rebuild that sistily relationship. But 713 00:29:43,834 --> 00:29:46,434 Speaker 2: the other family related topic that she spoke about, which 714 00:29:46,434 --> 00:29:49,754 Speaker 2: she hasn't spoken as much about before, was her estrangement 715 00:29:49,914 --> 00:29:51,994 Speaker 2: from her parents, Bob and Susan Duff. 716 00:29:52,434 --> 00:29:55,314 Speaker 1: Gosh, it sounds so sad when she talks about, you 717 00:29:55,354 --> 00:29:57,314 Speaker 1: know how she doesn't really have a relationship with her 718 00:29:57,354 --> 00:30:00,474 Speaker 1: parents anymore, and how it has been such a lonely 719 00:30:00,554 --> 00:30:02,994 Speaker 1: part of her life, and that you know, no matter 720 00:30:02,994 --> 00:30:05,634 Speaker 1: what age you are, like you really need that connection 721 00:30:05,754 --> 00:30:07,834 Speaker 1: with your parents, and you really feel that space when 722 00:30:07,834 --> 00:30:09,074 Speaker 1: they're not there. Yeah. 723 00:30:09,114 --> 00:30:12,154 Speaker 2: And she has spoken in earlier interviews about having a 724 00:30:12,154 --> 00:30:15,274 Speaker 2: complicated family dynamic and that there is some distance there, 725 00:30:15,514 --> 00:30:18,154 Speaker 2: but this interview, she really was quite severe in the 726 00:30:18,154 --> 00:30:20,714 Speaker 2: way she spoke about it. So she said, no matter 727 00:30:20,754 --> 00:30:22,714 Speaker 2: what age you are, you want to feel like your 728 00:30:22,754 --> 00:30:24,834 Speaker 2: parents care about you. And for a big part of 729 00:30:24,874 --> 00:30:26,474 Speaker 2: my life, it hasn't felt like that. 730 00:30:27,114 --> 00:30:30,034 Speaker 3: Oh that's so tough, especially when you're someone who you 731 00:30:30,034 --> 00:30:33,354 Speaker 3: know has had such a successful career, like proving yourself, 732 00:30:33,674 --> 00:30:37,074 Speaker 3: you've overcome so many like big milestones, and you want 733 00:30:37,074 --> 00:30:39,114 Speaker 3: to make them proud. But it's obvious that they're not 734 00:30:39,154 --> 00:30:41,234 Speaker 3: really showing up for her on the way that she 735 00:30:41,354 --> 00:30:41,874 Speaker 3: wants them to. 736 00:30:41,954 --> 00:30:42,154 Speaker 1: I know. 737 00:30:42,234 --> 00:30:45,154 Speaker 3: She also added to that comment that she made, saying, 738 00:30:45,274 --> 00:30:46,914 Speaker 3: I don't know whether this is true, but that's what 739 00:30:46,954 --> 00:30:48,954 Speaker 3: it feels like, and that's all that really matters at 740 00:30:48,954 --> 00:30:49,594 Speaker 3: the end of the day. 741 00:30:50,034 --> 00:30:52,794 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the way she communicated it with 742 00:30:52,834 --> 00:30:55,474 Speaker 2: that my parents didn't make me feel loved language felt 743 00:30:55,594 --> 00:30:58,194 Speaker 2: very direct. She made it quite clear that it applies 744 00:30:58,194 --> 00:31:00,274 Speaker 2: to both her parents, but she spoke more specifically about 745 00:31:00,274 --> 00:31:02,794 Speaker 2: her dad and the distance there, and talks about one 746 00:31:02,834 --> 00:31:04,634 Speaker 2: of her songs on the new album, which is called 747 00:31:04,674 --> 00:31:07,674 Speaker 2: The Optimist, and the lyrics go, I wish I could 748 00:31:07,754 --> 00:31:10,194 Speaker 2: sleep on planes, and that my father would really love me. 749 00:31:10,394 --> 00:31:12,674 Speaker 2: He'd show up on my wedding day and tell my 750 00:31:12,754 --> 00:31:15,194 Speaker 2: family they're all so lucky. He'd tell me how he 751 00:31:15,234 --> 00:31:17,834 Speaker 2: wish he'd stayed and that he never meant to disappoint me. 752 00:31:17,914 --> 00:31:19,794 Speaker 2: But till then, I'll exist as the Optimist. 753 00:31:19,914 --> 00:31:21,874 Speaker 1: So it's pretty heavy lys. 754 00:31:21,474 --> 00:31:21,994 Speaker 2: On this album. 755 00:31:22,314 --> 00:31:23,914 Speaker 1: It's really tough like hearing it. 756 00:31:23,994 --> 00:31:26,594 Speaker 3: But again, I just think it's so nice, like seeing 757 00:31:26,674 --> 00:31:29,434 Speaker 3: her be so vulnerable and like really putting everything into 758 00:31:29,434 --> 00:31:30,954 Speaker 3: this album. I feel like she's going to have like 759 00:31:30,954 --> 00:31:31,674 Speaker 3: such a comeback. 760 00:31:32,034 --> 00:31:33,154 Speaker 1: Oh, she definitely will. 761 00:31:33,194 --> 00:31:36,034 Speaker 2: And I mean she has spoken about how her parents 762 00:31:36,034 --> 00:31:38,754 Speaker 2: got divorced when she was pretty much an adult and 763 00:31:38,954 --> 00:31:41,234 Speaker 2: going through that, and I think also the way that 764 00:31:41,274 --> 00:31:44,234 Speaker 2: it's shaped her own divorce that she had and how 765 00:31:44,234 --> 00:31:46,714 Speaker 2: she is now as a mother. She was talking about 766 00:31:46,754 --> 00:31:48,914 Speaker 2: all the stuff that she'll miss while she's on tour, 767 00:31:48,994 --> 00:31:52,034 Speaker 2: so She said her four year old daughter May has 768 00:31:52,074 --> 00:31:54,714 Speaker 2: her school tea party, which she'll be missing, whereas for 769 00:31:54,754 --> 00:31:57,674 Speaker 2: her older child Banks, she actually threw that tea party, 770 00:31:57,714 --> 00:32:00,234 Speaker 2: So she's very acutely aware of the things that she's missing, 771 00:32:00,274 --> 00:32:02,514 Speaker 2: which I think like working mums listening to that would 772 00:32:02,554 --> 00:32:04,874 Speaker 2: really relate to. Also, it shows that she is so 773 00:32:04,954 --> 00:32:07,594 Speaker 2: involved in their lives like you kind of ever know, 774 00:32:07,674 --> 00:32:10,594 Speaker 2: like in Hollywood, like what level of involvement. 775 00:32:10,474 --> 00:32:12,474 Speaker 1: People in the spotlight have with their kids. 776 00:32:12,474 --> 00:32:14,274 Speaker 3: But it's nice to hear that she does have this 777 00:32:14,354 --> 00:32:17,554 Speaker 3: really close relationship and that, you know, while she's away 778 00:32:17,554 --> 00:32:19,634 Speaker 3: at Tall like Mom's gonna go out there and do 779 00:32:19,714 --> 00:32:20,554 Speaker 3: it exactly. 780 00:32:20,594 --> 00:32:21,954 Speaker 1: And she's got four children. 781 00:32:22,114 --> 00:32:25,034 Speaker 2: And she talks about how her really good friend Megan 782 00:32:25,074 --> 00:32:26,794 Speaker 2: Treyn had texted her being like, you know, you're making 783 00:32:26,794 --> 00:32:28,554 Speaker 2: all this look really easy, but I know how hard 784 00:32:28,554 --> 00:32:29,194 Speaker 2: it really. 785 00:32:28,994 --> 00:32:31,474 Speaker 1: Is going on tour with a new album and having 786 00:32:31,514 --> 00:32:34,114 Speaker 1: to be an amazing shape and looking after all those kids. 787 00:32:34,154 --> 00:32:35,394 Speaker 2: I mean, I know she would have a lot of help, 788 00:32:35,434 --> 00:32:38,194 Speaker 2: but it would be a very challenging situation, I guess. 789 00:32:38,194 --> 00:32:39,034 Speaker 1: To go onto a. 790 00:32:38,954 --> 00:32:41,994 Speaker 2: More positive note away from all the family drama, she 791 00:32:42,074 --> 00:32:45,234 Speaker 2: did talk about a Lizzie McGuire reboot because she was 792 00:32:45,274 --> 00:32:47,994 Speaker 2: asked about it, not that it's definitely happening, because obviously 793 00:32:48,154 --> 00:32:48,794 Speaker 2: start the rumors. 794 00:32:48,954 --> 00:32:51,834 Speaker 1: I know, well, it almost happened in twenty twenty, and then. 795 00:32:51,714 --> 00:32:54,514 Speaker 2: She had disagreements with Disney because she wanted to do 796 00:32:54,514 --> 00:32:56,754 Speaker 2: a more realistic of what a thirty something would be 797 00:32:56,874 --> 00:33:00,154 Speaker 2: going through, whereas Disney wanted a more family friendly version. 798 00:33:00,194 --> 00:33:03,034 Speaker 1: So it didn't end. What would you prefer, Oh, I'd 799 00:33:03,034 --> 00:33:06,074 Speaker 1: prefer the real version. Yeah, me. The Hillary does fell back. Yeah, 800 00:33:06,514 --> 00:33:08,634 Speaker 1: I want to see her like dating. I want to 801 00:33:08,634 --> 00:33:10,754 Speaker 1: see her I wanted to go back to Italy like 802 00:33:10,794 --> 00:33:11,354 Speaker 1: on the vesper. 803 00:33:11,514 --> 00:33:14,114 Speaker 2: Yes, but I want her to drive her own Vesta. 804 00:33:14,154 --> 00:33:16,554 Speaker 2: But she said, when I think about Lizzie, I was 805 00:33:16,594 --> 00:33:19,354 Speaker 2: really excited about seeing her at thirty and going through 806 00:33:19,394 --> 00:33:22,274 Speaker 2: thirty year old things. I can't really see her at forty, 807 00:33:22,394 --> 00:33:24,394 Speaker 2: but maybe I could start to see her around like 808 00:33:24,514 --> 00:33:29,074 Speaker 2: fifty five or sixty. Oh, she is to pick a line, 809 00:33:29,634 --> 00:33:33,194 Speaker 2: so I'm like, maybe she wants like, is it retirement, retirement, Lizzie. 810 00:33:33,314 --> 00:33:34,514 Speaker 1: I don't know if I see that for her. 811 00:33:34,754 --> 00:33:36,754 Speaker 2: If you want to listen to that interview, we'll link 812 00:33:36,754 --> 00:33:39,194 Speaker 2: it in the show. Notes, but it's Jay Shatty's podcast 813 00:33:39,234 --> 00:33:40,914 Speaker 2: on Purpose and it's a really good chat. 814 00:33:40,994 --> 00:33:42,954 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening to The Spill today. 815 00:33:43,074 --> 00:33:45,554 Speaker 3: If you want more, head over to the YouTube channel 816 00:33:45,594 --> 00:33:47,514 Speaker 3: for exclusive behind the scenes content. 817 00:33:47,834 --> 00:33:49,114 Speaker 1: Link is in the show notes. 818 00:33:49,354 --> 00:33:52,074 Speaker 3: And Morning Tea dropped a new episode Monday to Thursday 819 00:33:52,114 --> 00:33:54,394 Speaker 3: to keep you up to speed on all celebrity headlines 820 00:33:54,434 --> 00:33:56,594 Speaker 3: before you get into work. 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