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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma mea podcast from Mamma Mia. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura

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Speaker 1: Brodneg and today I'm joined by I'm Free Player. I'm

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Speaker 1: the executive producer of Muma MIA's interview podcast No Filter,

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Speaker 1: and just a bit of a pop culture addict. Which

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Speaker 1: is why you're here today, because today we have a

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Speaker 1: very important, brutally honest review. Because love it or hate it,

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Speaker 1: we are talking about the show that has really shaped

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Speaker 1: pop culture this year, Broken Records. People hate it, people

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Speaker 1: love it, and that is the Ryan Murphy series. All's fair.

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Speaker 1: You're the first divorce lawyers in town. I need you

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Speaker 1: to tell us the whole story. We were in love,

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Speaker 1: it was all perfect, except for this one small thing.

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Speaker 1: I trusted him. How did this ever happened to me? Men?

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Speaker 1: They are terrified of women in power. Thank God. I

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Speaker 1: love my job and I think it's interesting to say

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Speaker 1: people love it or hate it because you can also

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Speaker 1: love it and hate it, yes, which we will get

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Speaker 1: into that. So the show has come to an end.

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Speaker 1: It's already been renewed for a second season, so it's

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Speaker 1: going to come back again. Surprise, It's Glory. It's going

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Speaker 1: to come back again. So this is a brutally honest review,

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Speaker 1: which if you haven't listened to one before, we go

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Speaker 1: through the ins and outs of the whole show. We

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Speaker 1: do opinions, we do behind the scenes facts. We're also

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Speaker 1: going to talk about the finale, so spoilers if you

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Speaker 1: haven't seen it. I mean, the numbers don't lie. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people watch this show, but I wonder how

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Speaker 1: many people watched all the way to the end. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree. I mean, to be fair, I hadn't watched

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Speaker 1: it all way to the end until we were like, okay,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about it. So last night I crammed the

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Speaker 1: last three apps. I'm always interested in this. So would

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Speaker 1: you have watched it? Okay, you would. Yeah, it's just

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Speaker 1: you know, this time of year, it's hard, this so

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Speaker 1: much going on, there's a lot of TV. But also

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Speaker 1: I also think it's fair for people who say no,

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Speaker 1: because I think this is what I said when the

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Speaker 1: show came out, like the big numbers at the start

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Speaker 1: was very impressive, but I would have been more impressed

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Speaker 1: if the numbers, how the numbers stayed, which they kind

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Speaker 1: of did. So talking about sort of getting into how

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Speaker 1: this show came to be and how all the forces

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Speaker 1: of the world came together to see Kim kartashe in

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Speaker 1: a legal drama. She starred an American horror story Delicate

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Speaker 1: from twenty twenty three to twenty twenty fours. That was

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Speaker 1: the last American horror story season. Did you watch that?

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Speaker 1: Are you an American horror story fans make so much

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Speaker 1: to catch it on, so much to catch up on.

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Speaker 1: I am such an American horror story fan, but like

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Speaker 1: a purist. Oh sure, I know exactly what you mean.

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Speaker 1: So did I watch the Kim k seasons? No? And

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Speaker 1: that's fair because they were not good. But actually I

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Speaker 1: don't believe it was her fault. It was not a

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Speaker 1: good season. No, And they also, to be fair, were

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Speaker 1: not good for a few seasons before. Yeah, the lead

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Speaker 1: up before that was kind of disappointing. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: the thing is they've come from the highest of highs.

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Speaker 1: Is that I really think that Ryan Murphy does make

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Speaker 1: excellent television. I know some people trash Glee. That's good

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Speaker 1: storytelling was great first obviously kind of peed off towards

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Speaker 1: the end season one excellent storytelling American horror story. Some

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Speaker 1: of those seasons are some of the best seasons of

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Speaker 1: television I've ever seen, absolutely, like each of the first

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Speaker 1: like five, Yeah, basically until Jessica Lang left. And that's

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Speaker 1: not even just Jessica leaving was what made it not great.

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Speaker 1: That's when the stories went sow Ten Asylum, Coven Oven

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Speaker 1: So Good Evening and Lady Gaga for Hotel like there

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Speaker 1: was still yes exactly, and so Ryan Murphy, I think,

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Speaker 1: like why he gravitated towards Kim Kutashi and makes a

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Speaker 1: and he does make prestige TV like American Crime Story

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Speaker 1: I agree, And like, let's not forget that he did

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Speaker 1: he does, as you say, like pick cultural phenomenons and

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Speaker 1: put them in his shows. Yeah. The slight difference here

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Speaker 1: and this is not slight towards Kim is like Lady

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Speaker 1: Gaga hadn't done like a huge amount of acting when

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Speaker 1: yes as the sexy evil vampire. And then Ariana Grinder

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Speaker 1: there was no because few people were sort of saying like, oh,

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Speaker 1: He was just seeing fame because she can't act. I

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Speaker 1: initially pitched that her and Chris Jenner, he pitched a

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Speaker 1: straight away. Kim picked up her phone and Chris was like,

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Speaker 1: what else you got? And that's when he pitched All's Fair,

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Speaker 1: it was very much of Ryan Murphy kind of seeing

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Speaker 1: And so that's why Ryan Murphy came up with All's

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Speaker 1: Fair as a way to kind of take Kim going

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Speaker 1: getting onto our core cast. I know a lot about

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Speaker 1: But throughout it, I just in my head was calling

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Speaker 1: that's not the reason. That's do you really think you're

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Speaker 1: thinking and you're like Emerald Green. I mean, I guess,

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Speaker 1: She does feel like an Emerald Tiana Taylor as Milan.

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Speaker 1: That name sounded fair. It doesn't sound like a name

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Speaker 1: love that it works. And then Glenn Close as Dina Standish.

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Speaker 1: like talking about her dead cat, yeah, but referring to

423
00:20:44,154 --> 00:20:47,274
Speaker 1: it as her dead pussy and how she couldn't stop

424
00:20:47,314 --> 00:20:50,114
Speaker 1: petting it that her mum had to tell it. It

425
00:20:50,194 --> 00:20:53,594
Speaker 1: was just so funny and Sarah delivered it so well.

426
00:20:53,634 --> 00:20:56,194
Speaker 1: And it just didn't stop but kept going, just kept going,

427
00:20:56,274 --> 00:20:58,234
Speaker 1: and no wonder so much of the trailer was just

428
00:20:58,314 --> 00:21:00,754
Speaker 1: those one was like I think people like tuned into

429
00:21:00,794 --> 00:21:02,474
Speaker 1: sort of see how kN kadash she would act in

430
00:21:02,474 --> 00:21:05,434
Speaker 1: the first trailer, but then they kind of stayed around

431
00:21:05,474 --> 00:21:08,474
Speaker 1: for the Sarah Paulson all her or quips everything with

432
00:21:08,514 --> 00:21:10,874
Speaker 1: that character. I mean, she plays a villain very well,

433
00:21:11,074 --> 00:21:14,034
Speaker 1: we know that for American horror story. Everything even just

434
00:21:14,074 --> 00:21:16,874
Speaker 1: about the initial look that she had and the gloves

435
00:21:16,874 --> 00:21:19,634
Speaker 1: and then finding out the layering of the storyline behind

436
00:21:19,674 --> 00:21:23,033
Speaker 1: why she dressed like that, Yes, for sure, And like

437
00:21:23,114 --> 00:21:25,274
Speaker 1: it's so funny because it starts off in that first

438
00:21:25,314 --> 00:21:28,994
Speaker 1: episode where she is kind of accused of being ugly,

439
00:21:29,034 --> 00:21:31,874
Speaker 1: which Sarah Pulson is so beautiful, so weird when they

440
00:21:32,154 --> 00:21:34,234
Speaker 1: try to sign someone, it's almost like we're watching a

441
00:21:34,314 --> 00:21:36,314
Speaker 1: turn and everyone's like, well, males teller is so hot,

442
00:21:36,394 --> 00:21:37,954
Speaker 1: so and that's a plot point, Like it's just a

443
00:21:38,034 --> 00:21:40,634
Speaker 1: plot po is it? And also Sarah Paulson being the

444
00:21:40,674 --> 00:21:43,394
Speaker 1: ugly duckling, I was like, unless she made her look ugly, yeah,

445
00:21:43,394 --> 00:21:46,634
Speaker 1: which they didn't didn't. They didn't all helped. She looked

446
00:21:46,674 --> 00:21:50,194
Speaker 1: gorgeous but she just didn't have I don't know, as

447
00:21:50,274 --> 00:21:54,114
Speaker 1: much filler. Yeah, she just looked more natural, is really it?

448
00:21:54,314 --> 00:21:56,634
Speaker 1: So I guess, you know, and I guess in those

449
00:21:56,674 --> 00:21:59,354
Speaker 1: circles maybe that is ugly. I don't know. And also

450
00:21:59,394 --> 00:22:01,434
Speaker 1: Elaura is meant to be this bombshell, and obviously Kim

451
00:22:01,474 --> 00:22:04,154
Speaker 1: cush she is like, he's beautiful, so he's one kind

452
00:22:04,194 --> 00:22:06,593
Speaker 1: of against her. But yeah, I love to set up

453
00:22:06,674 --> 00:22:08,514
Speaker 1: her character. This is where the show is a good

454
00:22:08,514 --> 00:22:10,994
Speaker 1: show because the backstory of them all being in that

455
00:22:11,114 --> 00:22:13,274
Speaker 1: law firm together and them choosing not to take her,

456
00:22:13,354 --> 00:22:16,954
Speaker 1: even though Kim Kardashian's delivery was terrible in that scene. Otherwise,

457
00:22:16,954 --> 00:22:18,834
Speaker 1: you can't just have these women stiping each other. There's

458
00:22:18,874 --> 00:22:21,434
Speaker 1: no steaks, no The stakes of watching them in that

459
00:22:21,514 --> 00:22:24,513
Speaker 1: mediation room and watching them come at each other and

460
00:22:24,554 --> 00:22:27,754
Speaker 1: knowing that they had this very emotional ten year history

461
00:22:28,274 --> 00:22:31,234
Speaker 1: makes those scenes so believable. Otherwise, you like, growing women

462
00:22:31,234 --> 00:22:33,674
Speaker 1: wouldn't act like that, But growing women with that amount

463
00:22:33,674 --> 00:22:36,474
Speaker 1: of emotional baggage and the feeling of being the one

464
00:22:36,514 --> 00:22:39,954
Speaker 1: who was left out, Yeah that I understand that driving

465
00:22:39,994 --> 00:22:41,594
Speaker 1: her in such a way when they're like to her,

466
00:22:41,834 --> 00:22:44,353
Speaker 1: why can't you let it go. You have everything, like

467
00:22:44,594 --> 00:22:46,033
Speaker 1: they kind of do allude to the fact that her

468
00:22:46,034 --> 00:22:48,834
Speaker 1: firm is more successful, she wins more cases, she makes

469
00:22:48,834 --> 00:22:51,674
Speaker 1: more money, so technically she's the winner, but she can't

470
00:22:51,754 --> 00:22:54,793
Speaker 1: let it go. And I really relate to that. You

471
00:22:54,834 --> 00:22:59,154
Speaker 1: know what she reminded me of ye was a much

472
00:22:59,234 --> 00:23:03,954
Speaker 1: more full on Sue Sylvester, Like she had that same

473
00:23:04,194 --> 00:23:07,594
Speaker 1: kind of meanness with her lines and her delivery and

474
00:23:08,034 --> 00:23:10,273
Speaker 1: the way that she went at them. But it was

475
00:23:10,354 --> 00:23:14,634
Speaker 1: like r rated. Yeah, her line to the standouts, which

476
00:23:14,634 --> 00:23:16,554
Speaker 1: when you look back at Clayte, that's what everyone talks

477
00:23:16,554 --> 00:23:19,914
Speaker 1: about exactly. The thing is like that gets tired, like

478
00:23:19,954 --> 00:23:22,914
Speaker 1: Sue Sylvester would have got tired if they didn't give

479
00:23:22,954 --> 00:23:26,034
Speaker 1: her these emotional black backstories and plot points and these

480
00:23:26,074 --> 00:23:28,834
Speaker 1: softer moments so that the harder moments hit harder because

481
00:23:28,874 --> 00:23:31,594
Speaker 1: a straight up villain's boring anyone who's just I mean,

482
00:23:31,634 --> 00:23:33,474
Speaker 1: for the sake of it. And I though that's why

483
00:23:33,474 --> 00:23:35,394
Speaker 1: I thought that what they did quite well with Carrington.

484
00:23:35,514 --> 00:23:36,874
Speaker 1: And I also I know that a lot of the

485
00:23:36,914 --> 00:23:40,154
Speaker 1: initial reviews said even Sarah Paulson can't say this, and

486
00:23:40,194 --> 00:23:42,194
Speaker 1: there's a lot of trick to that, but I also

487
00:23:42,274 --> 00:23:45,833
Speaker 1: think that there's some truly lovely acting moments from her

488
00:23:45,874 --> 00:23:48,594
Speaker 1: in this The look on her face when she finds

489
00:23:48,634 --> 00:23:50,274
Speaker 1: out that they're not taking her to the law firm,

490
00:23:50,354 --> 00:23:52,954
Speaker 1: the naked kind of hurt and pain in her eyes

491
00:23:53,634 --> 00:23:56,434
Speaker 1: is so good. But also the side storyline of her

492
00:23:56,474 --> 00:23:59,234
Speaker 1: being a mother the mum I thought worked so well.

493
00:23:59,314 --> 00:24:02,514
Speaker 1: It was beautiful, wasn't it. Like it was really interesting

494
00:24:02,594 --> 00:24:06,274
Speaker 1: to watch that and that dynamic then for her because

495
00:24:06,554 --> 00:24:09,194
Speaker 1: you feel, like, you know, in those first few episodes

496
00:24:09,234 --> 00:24:12,674
Speaker 1: when you don't know that she's just this kind of workaholic,

497
00:24:13,314 --> 00:24:18,394
Speaker 1: somewhat psychotic like woman who all she does is work

498
00:24:18,914 --> 00:24:21,874
Speaker 1: and seek vengeance and hate, and then she's got this

499
00:24:21,954 --> 00:24:25,194
Speaker 1: whole other life that you don't expect. Yeah, it's so

500
00:24:25,234 --> 00:24:26,954
Speaker 1: interesting because like in your head, like I don't know

501
00:24:26,954 --> 00:24:29,154
Speaker 1: about you, but I really assigned her a backstory based

502
00:24:29,194 --> 00:24:31,474
Speaker 1: on what I've been told, and because the show came

503
00:24:31,514 --> 00:24:34,313
Speaker 1: across very surface level, I assigned her a very surface

504
00:24:34,394 --> 00:24:36,634
Speaker 1: level backstory where I was like, oh, she just lives

505
00:24:36,634 --> 00:24:39,994
Speaker 1: in this dark, creepy pent house apartment, you know, where

506
00:24:39,994 --> 00:24:42,553
Speaker 1: she's like so rich, but she just like is like

507
00:24:42,714 --> 00:24:45,434
Speaker 1: very lonely and like it's all that she doesn't get

508
00:24:45,514 --> 00:24:48,674
Speaker 1: joy from anything outside, and that she'll almost like she

509
00:24:48,794 --> 00:24:52,234
Speaker 1: words down at the courtroom, but they actually barely spend

510
00:24:52,234 --> 00:24:54,714
Speaker 1: any time in a courtroom. They're not doing courtrooms. They're

511
00:24:54,834 --> 00:24:57,434
Speaker 1: like backdoor deals and mediations, which I think is probably

512
00:24:57,554 --> 00:25:00,674
Speaker 1: very true. Actually it probably is a divorce. Yeah, yeah,

513
00:25:00,674 --> 00:25:02,354
Speaker 1: it wasn't a courtroom drama. They're probably all just like,

514
00:25:02,514 --> 00:25:03,714
Speaker 1: we're not going to look good here, like we need

515
00:25:03,754 --> 00:25:05,994
Speaker 1: to be now, we need to spend all the time

516
00:25:06,034 --> 00:25:10,033
Speaker 1: in our boardroom where we need lacquered. Yeah, she's not

517
00:25:10,354 --> 00:25:13,754
Speaker 1: like old, yeah, all that sort of stuff, and so like, yeah,

518
00:25:13,754 --> 00:25:15,513
Speaker 1: with Carrington, I just assume that she kind of just

519
00:25:15,634 --> 00:25:16,994
Speaker 1: like wore down at the end of the day and

520
00:25:17,034 --> 00:25:21,394
Speaker 1: didn't exist. And so seeing her like like like a

521
00:25:21,474 --> 00:25:28,033
Speaker 1: highly active romba, like a really angry, swearing rebuff. It

522
00:25:28,114 --> 00:25:30,394
Speaker 1: was really believable watching her be in that mum roll

523
00:25:30,434 --> 00:25:32,674
Speaker 1: because you can see that she's a little bit sharp

524
00:25:32,714 --> 00:25:34,474
Speaker 1: with her daughter, but you also get the idea that

525
00:25:34,514 --> 00:25:38,074
Speaker 1: she's the only person in her life who she kind

526
00:25:38,074 --> 00:25:41,194
Speaker 1: of speaks to in that more caring way, and she

527
00:25:41,674 --> 00:25:43,513
Speaker 1: as a woman knows what it's like to be the

528
00:25:43,554 --> 00:25:46,033
Speaker 1: one who's not included and who's left out. And so

529
00:25:46,074 --> 00:25:49,073
Speaker 1: when she sees that fate happen to her daughter, the

530
00:25:49,114 --> 00:25:52,154
Speaker 1: look of tragedy and regret on her face, it's almost like,

531
00:25:52,194 --> 00:25:53,994
Speaker 1: that's the worst thing I could have wished for you

532
00:25:54,194 --> 00:25:56,674
Speaker 1: is to feel rejected the way I've been rejected even

533
00:25:56,714 --> 00:26:00,994
Speaker 1: though I'm successful. And so that was a really heartbreaking moment.

534
00:26:01,114 --> 00:26:03,594
Speaker 1: Yeah it was, and thank goodness it was given to

535
00:26:03,674 --> 00:26:07,594
Speaker 1: Sarah yet exactly to kind of well, I mean had

536
00:26:07,634 --> 00:26:09,914
Speaker 1: some heartbreaking moments too, like again, but she just couldn't

537
00:26:09,914 --> 00:26:11,834
Speaker 1: deliver on them. This should have been a great plot

538
00:26:11,834 --> 00:26:15,234
Speaker 1: point when she goes into the fertility clinic and is like,

539
00:26:15,554 --> 00:26:17,234
Speaker 1: this is the last chance for me to have these

540
00:26:17,234 --> 00:26:19,114
Speaker 1: embryo's the last chance for me to be a mother.

541
00:26:19,514 --> 00:26:24,834
Speaker 1: I always want that. She's like stolen from her husband. Yeah,

542
00:26:24,914 --> 00:26:27,634
Speaker 1: doesn't know about it, and she's forging the paperwork, and

543
00:26:27,714 --> 00:26:29,714
Speaker 1: you see the sort of like pain in her face.

544
00:26:30,034 --> 00:26:31,674
Speaker 1: We don't actually don't se any pain in face, but

545
00:26:31,674 --> 00:26:33,394
Speaker 1: you should see pain in her face as she's making

546
00:26:33,394 --> 00:26:35,954
Speaker 1: the decision. That's like a huge plot point as well,

547
00:26:35,994 --> 00:26:38,073
Speaker 1: but it just doesn't land. Even when she finds out

548
00:26:38,114 --> 00:26:40,274
Speaker 1: she's not pregnant. She comes out of the bathroom store

549
00:26:40,434 --> 00:26:42,314
Speaker 1: to dinner and she's like, I'm not pregnant, and I

550
00:26:42,394 --> 00:26:45,394
Speaker 1: was like, give us something us is you're meant. This

551
00:26:45,434 --> 00:26:48,194
Speaker 1: is meant to be a tragedy for you. You broke the law,

552
00:26:48,314 --> 00:26:50,513
Speaker 1: you risked everything for this because you wanted it more

553
00:26:50,554 --> 00:26:52,593
Speaker 1: than anything, and now it hasn't worked and it's your

554
00:26:52,674 --> 00:26:56,194
Speaker 1: last chance and you just suppose it. Can't even blink. No.

555
00:26:57,314 --> 00:27:00,434
Speaker 1: The plot points are funny because they don't really go anywhere,

556
00:27:00,474 --> 00:27:02,754
Speaker 1: and sometimes they don't go anywhere for so long that

557
00:27:02,754 --> 00:27:05,513
Speaker 1: you've forgotten about them. Yeah, and then you're like do

558
00:27:05,554 --> 00:27:08,234
Speaker 1: they really matter? In the same way the court cases

559
00:27:08,274 --> 00:27:11,194
Speaker 1: that they're all the divorces that they're working on each

560
00:27:11,234 --> 00:27:16,553
Speaker 1: episode also are like who cares? Yeah? I thought that

561
00:27:16,634 --> 00:27:18,474
Speaker 1: was not that I thought the show was going to

562
00:27:18,514 --> 00:27:20,634
Speaker 1: be about the law, but like it really does get

563
00:27:20,634 --> 00:27:22,274
Speaker 1: away from I thought it was going to be more

564
00:27:22,274 --> 00:27:25,033
Speaker 1: of that, like guest Star of the week coming in

565
00:27:25,074 --> 00:27:27,794
Speaker 1: and we started strong, which was amazing. We did start strong,

566
00:27:27,834 --> 00:27:30,154
Speaker 1: some of those storylines that they have a favorite guest star,

567
00:27:30,434 --> 00:27:33,354
Speaker 1: Jessica Simpson. Jessica Simpson was great. I loved it and

568
00:27:33,394 --> 00:27:35,513
Speaker 1: it was so funny because when she comes in and

569
00:27:35,554 --> 00:27:39,314
Speaker 1: she looks terrible, right, I mean you learn later there's

570
00:27:39,314 --> 00:27:41,714
Speaker 1: a reason for it, But I like watching it was like,

571
00:27:42,354 --> 00:27:45,834
Speaker 1: oh God, like, what happened? What happened to do you? Jess? Like?

572
00:27:46,274 --> 00:27:49,634
Speaker 1: She looks terrible. That's then part of her storyline is

573
00:27:49,674 --> 00:27:52,994
Speaker 1: that she's had all this botched surgery because her husband's

574
00:27:53,034 --> 00:27:54,434
Speaker 1: forced her to have it to try and make it

575
00:27:54,514 --> 00:27:57,634
Speaker 1: look young and whatever, and then so she wants to

576
00:27:57,674 --> 00:28:00,074
Speaker 1: sue him for doing that to her. But it's such

577
00:28:00,114 --> 00:28:05,434
Speaker 1: a fun, camp Ryan Murphy esque La Wild storyline that

578
00:28:05,514 --> 00:28:07,793
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. I love to say jess I

579
00:28:07,914 --> 00:28:09,914
Speaker 1: wanted her to have a bigger role. Yeah, to be honest,

580
00:28:09,954 --> 00:28:12,074
Speaker 1: because I thought the significance you're right of her being

581
00:28:12,074 --> 00:28:14,514
Speaker 1: there was huge. One is that I love how much

582
00:28:14,674 --> 00:28:17,674
Speaker 1: she's just openly excited about being friends with Kim Kardashi

583
00:28:17,674 --> 00:28:19,674
Speaker 1: in real life, which I feel as if very relatable.

584
00:28:19,914 --> 00:28:22,234
Speaker 1: It's like Jessica Simpson has been famous for most of

585
00:28:22,234 --> 00:28:25,074
Speaker 1: her life. Was fifteen, yeah, and she's like a millionaire

586
00:28:25,074 --> 00:28:27,034
Speaker 1: in her like I think Shoeline made like a billion

587
00:28:27,074 --> 00:28:29,154
Speaker 1: dollars or something like that. And bath products, remember that

588
00:28:29,234 --> 00:28:32,073
Speaker 1: Jessica Simpson bath product and if she used them, Oh,

589
00:28:32,154 --> 00:28:36,273
Speaker 1: my god deserved dessert and they didn't smell good. I did.

590
00:28:36,274 --> 00:28:38,314
Speaker 1: It was too much to taste them. Oh yeah you

591
00:28:38,354 --> 00:28:41,194
Speaker 1: could eat that. Yeah, it's supposed to. But they tasted

592
00:28:41,194 --> 00:28:43,394
Speaker 1: really sweet. It's like the body cream was literally just

593
00:28:43,474 --> 00:28:47,554
Speaker 1: thick chocolate. Yeah, and everyone's like, I'm gonna put shampoo.

594
00:28:47,674 --> 00:28:49,754
Speaker 1: Was just like it was just like actual vanilla, like

595
00:28:49,754 --> 00:28:52,114
Speaker 1: not vanilla scented like a pump. It was like it

596
00:28:52,154 --> 00:28:54,994
Speaker 1: was like barthing and cake and you're all just like whoa, yeah,

597
00:28:55,154 --> 00:28:57,474
Speaker 1: so sick. It was almost like the pump packs that

598
00:28:57,554 --> 00:29:00,474
Speaker 1: have behind the counter at Starbucks. That was like basically

599
00:29:00,834 --> 00:29:03,194
Speaker 1: it was like bathing and Starbucks. And my friends were

600
00:29:03,194 --> 00:29:06,194
Speaker 1: all teens were like, oh, Jessica's amazing products were sexy.

601
00:29:06,434 --> 00:29:08,354
Speaker 1: She made a lot of money. She made so much

602
00:29:08,434 --> 00:29:10,874
Speaker 1: money and had a clothing line in particular act the

603
00:29:10,874 --> 00:29:12,994
Speaker 1: clothing line selling it all in like seas and you

604
00:29:13,074 --> 00:29:14,914
Speaker 1: know that she went because she's like, yes, is my

605
00:29:15,154 --> 00:29:18,114
Speaker 1: lowest a smart girl and people don't or she listens

606
00:29:18,154 --> 00:29:20,914
Speaker 1: to smart people, which is also smart yes, because she's like,

607
00:29:21,074 --> 00:29:22,954
Speaker 1: my fans aren't going to go shop in like these

608
00:29:23,034 --> 00:29:25,834
Speaker 1: really high end boutiques. They need to go to Walmart,

609
00:29:25,874 --> 00:29:27,914
Speaker 1: which is where she sold some of her shoes and things,

610
00:29:27,994 --> 00:29:30,074
Speaker 1: and so she made a lot of money. And so

611
00:29:30,474 --> 00:29:33,754
Speaker 1: her daughter and Northwest go to school together, and so

612
00:29:34,154 --> 00:29:36,314
Speaker 1: she's all about the posting, like when she's like over

613
00:29:36,394 --> 00:29:38,434
Speaker 1: at Kim's or well like when her daughter Maxwell gets

614
00:29:38,434 --> 00:29:40,434
Speaker 1: invited to sleep over. And I was like, it's just

615
00:29:40,634 --> 00:29:42,994
Speaker 1: very social crimeery, but in like a really cute way. Yeah,

616
00:29:42,994 --> 00:29:46,194
Speaker 1: and it's funny because Jess was famous before Kim. Yeah,

617
00:29:46,474 --> 00:29:50,194
Speaker 1: and that's famous, so so famous. But also and I

618
00:29:50,274 --> 00:29:53,074
Speaker 1: think this is really fun with bringing Jess on the show.

619
00:29:54,074 --> 00:29:57,634
Speaker 1: Her marriages have been very famous. So I mean her

620
00:29:57,714 --> 00:30:00,434
Speaker 1: reality TV show was newly Wed, so we saw that,

621
00:30:01,074 --> 00:30:04,274
Speaker 1: we saw her marriage play out, and then all the

622
00:30:04,354 --> 00:30:06,674
Speaker 1: world watched while it broke down exactly, so she became

623
00:30:06,754 --> 00:30:08,834
Speaker 1: very much to no one for divorce and no one

624
00:30:08,914 --> 00:30:11,074
Speaker 1: for like being the woman who was like trying to

625
00:30:11,154 --> 00:30:12,994
Speaker 1: date these men and like you know, and people were

626
00:30:13,034 --> 00:30:14,794
Speaker 1: like talking about her being like sad and alone. And

627
00:30:14,834 --> 00:30:16,674
Speaker 1: then when she married her husband, they had their kids,

628
00:30:16,754 --> 00:30:18,874
Speaker 1: like she finally got this happy ending, and then the

629
00:30:18,914 --> 00:30:22,274
Speaker 1: storyline around their divorce was negative towards her. And so

630
00:30:22,394 --> 00:30:24,114
Speaker 1: I feel like, because she did a lot of press

631
00:30:24,234 --> 00:30:26,034
Speaker 1: for this show for being a guestar. But she was

632
00:30:26,114 --> 00:30:27,874
Speaker 1: just like, put me in, coach, I'll do every red

633
00:30:27,914 --> 00:30:29,874
Speaker 1: carp I'll do every interview, talk about it so much,

634
00:30:30,274 --> 00:30:33,594
Speaker 1: And she was talking about finding redemption after going through

635
00:30:33,634 --> 00:30:35,874
Speaker 1: her own divorce, of going in and playing this woman,

636
00:30:35,994 --> 00:30:37,634
Speaker 1: and so I love that for her and I want

637
00:30:37,754 --> 00:30:39,594
Speaker 1: her to come back in season two. Same. I do

638
00:30:39,714 --> 00:30:43,834
Speaker 1: think she loved seeing but you know whatever, Like, yeah,

639
00:30:44,154 --> 00:30:46,474
Speaker 1: they can do anything. Yeah, could bring her back for

640
00:30:46,554 --> 00:30:50,274
Speaker 1: another round. She would be so up for it. Someone

641
00:30:50,354 --> 00:30:52,354
Speaker 1: else who I really loved in this show and who

642
00:30:52,394 --> 00:30:56,794
Speaker 1: I thought really elevated the storyline was Niche Nash as

643
00:30:56,954 --> 00:31:00,714
Speaker 1: Emerald Green. Amazing ten. I mean, first of all, great actress, Yes,

644
00:31:00,794 --> 00:31:05,194
Speaker 1: great actress, great to say, and definitely was kind of

645
00:31:05,354 --> 00:31:09,274
Speaker 1: like the moral compass them all, which was nice, but like, yeah,

646
00:31:09,354 --> 00:31:14,274
Speaker 1: so there was definitely purpose to that character, whereas yeah,

647
00:31:14,714 --> 00:31:17,234
Speaker 1: well the thing is and nothing against Naomi Watts is

648
00:31:17,274 --> 00:31:19,554
Speaker 1: a great actress. And I know someone who we've both

649
00:31:19,594 --> 00:31:22,394
Speaker 1: interviewed super lovely loves mom and me. I often likes

650
00:31:22,394 --> 00:31:25,394
Speaker 1: her stuff, yeah, which is nice. Love her could cut

651
00:31:25,434 --> 00:31:27,434
Speaker 1: her on the shoulder and make no difference, right, And

652
00:31:27,754 --> 00:31:31,114
Speaker 1: there's times where she's just missing ageous as well. I mean,

653
00:31:31,834 --> 00:31:33,314
Speaker 1: like she may have been busy, she might have been

654
00:31:33,354 --> 00:31:36,194
Speaker 1: doing a couple of projects Jet getting the Jets to

655
00:31:36,234 --> 00:31:38,714
Speaker 1: Wonder and then there was an episode whe'd actually forgotten

656
00:31:38,754 --> 00:31:42,114
Speaker 1: about her and then someone mentions her. I was like, oh,

657
00:31:42,514 --> 00:31:45,674
Speaker 1: like Liberty, that's oh yeah, Naomi. We haven't seen Naomi

658
00:31:45,754 --> 00:31:49,594
Speaker 1: and herbs thing like getting proposed to and then finding

659
00:31:49,594 --> 00:31:52,114
Speaker 1: out that he had like taken this high loan all this,

660
00:31:52,154 --> 00:31:53,834
Speaker 1: so they tried to give her stakes, but it's like

661
00:31:54,274 --> 00:31:56,794
Speaker 1: she was out of the main storyline so much. Some

662
00:31:56,914 --> 00:31:58,794
Speaker 1: people have said, I don't think this is true because

663
00:31:58,794 --> 00:32:00,034
Speaker 1: I think if she signed on for the show, she

664
00:32:00,074 --> 00:32:02,034
Speaker 1: signed on for the show. Some people have said that

665
00:32:02,194 --> 00:32:04,074
Speaker 1: part of her signing on was that she wanted to

666
00:32:04,154 --> 00:32:06,554
Speaker 1: be away from the main cast because she didn't like

667
00:32:06,634 --> 00:32:08,554
Speaker 1: acting off Kim and she didn't get pulled, and why

668
00:32:08,594 --> 00:32:11,634
Speaker 1: would she sign on. She wouldn't dumb, Like yeah, I

669
00:32:11,714 --> 00:32:13,394
Speaker 1: think that they were just trying to sort of broaden

670
00:32:13,474 --> 00:32:15,914
Speaker 1: the story out and give her this separate storyline. But

671
00:32:16,074 --> 00:32:17,994
Speaker 1: what it did was just make her so forgettable that

672
00:32:18,554 --> 00:32:20,874
Speaker 1: when you look back through a lot of the scenes

673
00:32:20,914 --> 00:32:22,434
Speaker 1: and like you could just cut her out and nothing

674
00:32:22,434 --> 00:32:24,114
Speaker 1: would change at the end of the day, It's really

675
00:32:24,514 --> 00:32:27,634
Speaker 1: a Lura and Carrington show to quite an extent. Definitely,

676
00:32:27,834 --> 00:32:30,434
Speaker 1: I completely agree, And I think to bring it back

677
00:32:30,474 --> 00:32:34,434
Speaker 1: to Emerald, that was a necessary character, Like we needed

678
00:32:34,554 --> 00:32:39,274
Speaker 1: that kind of relief between the woodenness of Kim and

679
00:32:39,354 --> 00:32:42,954
Speaker 1: then like the huge acting and personality that we got

680
00:32:42,994 --> 00:32:45,714
Speaker 1: from Sarah. Yeah, exactly. And also, if I had to

681
00:32:45,754 --> 00:32:47,474
Speaker 1: pick any of them that I would go and watch

682
00:32:47,514 --> 00:32:50,434
Speaker 1: a spin off show, I would watch Emerald spin off show. Yeah,

683
00:32:50,594 --> 00:32:54,034
Speaker 1: with her triplets. Yes, I freaking loved that. It was

684
00:32:54,594 --> 00:32:57,154
Speaker 1: another twist. I didn't expect all these women to have

685
00:32:57,234 --> 00:32:59,514
Speaker 1: these home lives because the show felt so insular and

686
00:32:59,634 --> 00:33:01,834
Speaker 1: kind of very much about like just them at work.

687
00:33:01,954 --> 00:33:03,474
Speaker 1: So I just assumed that she was just like a

688
00:33:03,514 --> 00:33:05,994
Speaker 1: fabulous rich woman who would just party after work. And

689
00:33:06,074 --> 00:33:08,634
Speaker 1: when you realize that she's got triplets that she decided

690
00:33:08,634 --> 00:33:11,074
Speaker 1: to have with a like look twenty five. Yeah, they're

691
00:33:11,114 --> 00:33:15,034
Speaker 1: in high school and so they were like overachieving and

692
00:33:15,754 --> 00:33:18,794
Speaker 1: her family dynamic at home I loved. Yeah, I loved

693
00:33:18,794 --> 00:33:20,594
Speaker 1: the dynamic with her and the boys. I also loved

694
00:33:20,634 --> 00:33:23,434
Speaker 1: her much. They loved her, and I would a little

695
00:33:23,474 --> 00:33:27,834
Speaker 1: too much when one of them said she looked bangable. Yeah. Yeah,

696
00:33:27,834 --> 00:33:30,514
Speaker 1: there's a questionable line there. There's a questionable line. But

697
00:33:30,554 --> 00:33:32,474
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, if there was any spinoff i'd watch,

698
00:33:32,554 --> 00:33:36,354
Speaker 1: it would be Emerald in Her Emerald and the Navigating Life. Yeah.

699
00:33:36,754 --> 00:33:38,154
Speaker 1: But then this is why I don't know what to

700
00:33:38,154 --> 00:33:41,034
Speaker 1: do with this show, because sometimes it's so campy and ridiculous,

701
00:33:41,434 --> 00:33:44,634
Speaker 1: and you have like Elizabeth Berkley's character, who I loved

702
00:33:44,714 --> 00:33:47,914
Speaker 1: her being in there too, from Showgirls and from Saved

703
00:33:47,914 --> 00:33:50,474
Speaker 1: by the Veloping, this iconic actress who really lost her career,

704
00:33:50,874 --> 00:33:53,114
Speaker 1: exactly the kind of person that Ryan Murphy would pluck

705
00:33:53,154 --> 00:33:55,154
Speaker 1: and put in a show. Totally like you have her

706
00:33:55,274 --> 00:33:57,074
Speaker 1: jump off the building and just kill herself, and like

707
00:33:57,194 --> 00:33:59,474
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh, okay, So the tone of the show

708
00:33:59,594 --> 00:34:02,234
Speaker 1: is like, oh so, like there's no stakes and nothing matters,

709
00:34:02,754 --> 00:34:04,834
Speaker 1: And the next moment you're watching the show of Emerald

710
00:34:04,874 --> 00:34:08,314
Speaker 1: being raped, which horrific, but also all of a sudden,

711
00:34:08,314 --> 00:34:10,154
Speaker 1: it's very serious, and that is serious. But I'm just like,

712
00:34:10,194 --> 00:34:13,314
Speaker 1: it feels very jarring because this feels like a fantasy

713
00:34:13,354 --> 00:34:15,354
Speaker 1: show that has no stakes, and now you're giving me

714
00:34:15,394 --> 00:34:17,914
Speaker 1: a very serious plot line that everyone's treating very seriously,

715
00:34:18,314 --> 00:34:20,513
Speaker 1: and I don't know where it fits into them. It's

716
00:34:20,594 --> 00:34:26,474
Speaker 1: interesting because the clients they take on have these insane storylines,

717
00:34:26,554 --> 00:34:28,434
Speaker 1: you know, like the one with the safe full of

718
00:34:28,834 --> 00:34:31,433
Speaker 1: millions of dollars worth of jewelry, but they're all quite

719
00:34:31,554 --> 00:34:35,914
Speaker 1: fanciful and ridiculous. So obviously are people that hire lawyers

720
00:34:36,194 --> 00:34:38,873
Speaker 1: that have millions and millions and million dollars and they're

721
00:34:38,874 --> 00:34:41,554
Speaker 1: going through these crazy divorces or whatever with intense prenups

722
00:34:41,554 --> 00:34:45,234
Speaker 1: and everything. But the clients they take on are utterly ridiculous,

723
00:34:45,634 --> 00:34:48,993
Speaker 1: which is typical of a TV series, Like the storyline

724
00:34:49,114 --> 00:34:52,514
Speaker 1: of that show kind of then informs what's going on

725
00:34:52,954 --> 00:34:56,314
Speaker 1: in the other you know, the main women's lives, the lawyers' lives,

726
00:34:56,834 --> 00:34:58,834
Speaker 1: so they intersect in that way and they use them

727
00:34:58,834 --> 00:35:02,754
Speaker 1: as plot carriers they go nowhere. It's a bit strange.

728
00:35:03,114 --> 00:35:06,714
Speaker 1: But then what is interesting then is for these women

729
00:35:06,754 --> 00:35:10,033
Speaker 1: who are or playing divorce attorneys the way that their

730
00:35:10,274 --> 00:35:14,234
Speaker 1: own personal lives, like how they've been stunted as well,

731
00:35:14,354 --> 00:35:18,554
Speaker 1: like emotionally and in their romances because I guess of

732
00:35:18,634 --> 00:35:21,473
Speaker 1: what they're exposed to, which that's interesting because that would

733
00:35:21,554 --> 00:35:24,433
Speaker 1: be real, yes, you know, there would be so many

734
00:35:24,954 --> 00:35:28,754
Speaker 1: divorce attorneys that then have seen the foulest ways that

735
00:35:28,834 --> 00:35:31,714
Speaker 1: people treat each other, Then how do you have trust

736
00:35:31,834 --> 00:35:34,714
Speaker 1: like you can understand? Like with Liberty's character, Naomi, what's

737
00:35:34,874 --> 00:35:38,354
Speaker 1: character like, why she's so ambivalent about getting married when

738
00:35:38,354 --> 00:35:39,754
Speaker 1: she's like, I want to take it slow because she's

739
00:35:39,754 --> 00:35:42,194
Speaker 1: seen the worst, Yeah, and she doesn't want her personal

740
00:35:42,234 --> 00:35:44,393
Speaker 1: life to mirror her worst yes. Yeah, And then it

741
00:35:44,474 --> 00:35:47,194
Speaker 1: kind of does, of course, and its Emerald whips out

742
00:35:47,234 --> 00:35:48,754
Speaker 1: her computer, It's like, I'll look him up. I'm like,

743
00:35:48,794 --> 00:35:50,473
Speaker 1: first of all, why don't you do that? Ages ago?

744
00:35:50,954 --> 00:35:52,913
Speaker 1: And also no good will ever come of this because

745
00:35:52,954 --> 00:35:55,914
Speaker 1: every time she looks anyone up in her magic computer,

746
00:35:56,074 --> 00:35:59,114
Speaker 1: her magic computer where she finds just the worst things

747
00:35:59,114 --> 00:36:03,474
Speaker 1: about people. But actually that was so awful when Emerald,

748
00:36:03,514 --> 00:36:08,194
Speaker 1: who had sworn off dating, gets talked into putting herself

749
00:36:08,274 --> 00:36:11,234
Speaker 1: out there and then that happens, and it's horrific. Yeah,

750
00:36:11,314 --> 00:36:13,714
Speaker 1: I didn't love that. I didn't either. I just felt

751
00:36:13,754 --> 00:36:15,473
Speaker 1: obviously it's allfull. You don't want to watch any woman

752
00:36:15,514 --> 00:36:17,794
Speaker 1: go through that on screen. No, But at the same time,

753
00:36:17,994 --> 00:36:20,594
Speaker 1: it just felt like it wasn't something that this show

754
00:36:20,714 --> 00:36:23,474
Speaker 1: could properly deal with, and it didn't, and it just

755
00:36:23,554 --> 00:36:25,554
Speaker 1: felt so out of place, and as you say, it

756
00:36:25,714 --> 00:36:28,514
Speaker 1: was jarring because everything else had been quite silly and

757
00:36:28,674 --> 00:36:32,234
Speaker 1: camp and their clients, like their stories were all silly

758
00:36:32,314 --> 00:36:35,994
Speaker 1: and camp and kind of overly overly sexualized but in

759
00:36:36,074 --> 00:36:39,794
Speaker 1: a consensual way. Or you know, the billions of dollars

760
00:36:39,834 --> 00:36:42,354
Speaker 1: of jewelry and look, they were all just ridiculous. So

761
00:36:42,434 --> 00:36:45,634
Speaker 1: then to have this quite real thing happened, yeh, was

762
00:36:45,794 --> 00:36:47,434
Speaker 1: jarring and fell out of place in the show. And

763
00:36:47,514 --> 00:36:49,433
Speaker 1: it does and they obviously did because they like set

764
00:36:49,474 --> 00:36:50,873
Speaker 1: out to like look for this man and take him

765
00:36:50,874 --> 00:36:52,634
Speaker 1: down and obviously what happens to him and everything. But

766
00:36:52,634 --> 00:36:54,393
Speaker 1: at the same time, like because of how the show

767
00:36:54,554 --> 00:36:55,714
Speaker 1: is and the style of it, they did have to

768
00:36:55,794 --> 00:36:58,114
Speaker 1: move on from it. And so it's kind of like

769
00:36:58,154 --> 00:36:59,914
Speaker 1: you have this moment in time and they move on

770
00:37:00,114 --> 00:37:02,354
Speaker 1: to other things, and then there is some sad moments,

771
00:37:02,394 --> 00:37:05,194
Speaker 1: like with Dina's husband dying. Also er O'Neil pops up. Yes,

772
00:37:07,114 --> 00:37:10,913
Speaker 1: it's so good. I mean, that was an interesting storyline

773
00:37:11,034 --> 00:37:14,593
Speaker 1: because she can't let him go. Yeah, and that again,

774
00:37:14,754 --> 00:37:17,234
Speaker 1: that's where the tone changed because all of a sudden, like, yes,

775
00:37:17,274 --> 00:37:19,434
Speaker 1: it's kind of creepy. That she's keeping her dead husband's

776
00:37:19,474 --> 00:37:21,393
Speaker 1: body upstairs and while anyone touch it. But it does

777
00:37:21,474 --> 00:37:23,954
Speaker 1: fill in tone with the show, yes, whereas the Emerald

778
00:37:24,034 --> 00:37:27,274
Speaker 1: situation did it. But it also moves the plot along

779
00:37:27,394 --> 00:37:29,634
Speaker 1: because Carrington had to be able to come back into

780
00:37:29,674 --> 00:37:31,434
Speaker 1: the fold in that way, and you had to have

781
00:37:31,554 --> 00:37:33,594
Speaker 1: like Liberty and the others be pushed aside to make

782
00:37:33,674 --> 00:37:35,274
Speaker 1: ways for the finale. And that's how we did that.

783
00:37:35,394 --> 00:37:37,234
Speaker 1: And I think that's it, like the Emerald moment, like

784
00:37:37,314 --> 00:37:40,274
Speaker 1: it's too real, whereas everything else is so highly stylized

785
00:37:40,354 --> 00:37:45,634
Speaker 1: and silly and ridiculous that it just felt yeah yeah,

786
00:37:46,354 --> 00:37:49,314
Speaker 1: which kind of moves us into the finale, which a

787
00:37:49,354 --> 00:37:51,154
Speaker 1: lot happened and nothing happened, which is I think the

788
00:37:51,234 --> 00:37:54,034
Speaker 1: tagline of the show show because it did really cent

789
00:37:54,114 --> 00:37:56,154
Speaker 1: her on Dina being and it is kind of interesting.

790
00:37:56,194 --> 00:37:57,873
Speaker 1: This is the thing like Ryan Murphy, He's got all

791
00:37:57,914 --> 00:37:59,913
Speaker 1: the players in the right spot, he just couldn't land

792
00:37:59,954 --> 00:38:02,754
Speaker 1: the plane. Maybe season two where he's like, Dina is

793
00:38:02,834 --> 00:38:06,354
Speaker 1: this all powerful, all knowing everyone bows down to, everyone

794
00:38:06,434 --> 00:38:09,914
Speaker 1: loves her character in the show, and so the catalyst

795
00:38:10,034 --> 00:38:12,714
Speaker 1: for Carrington finally turning against her is when she's trying

796
00:38:12,754 --> 00:38:15,074
Speaker 1: to figure out who voted against her for her to

797
00:38:15,114 --> 00:38:16,714
Speaker 1: come into the law firm. Also her coming to the

798
00:38:16,794 --> 00:38:19,513
Speaker 1: law firm, that's a terrible idea. Why are they even

799
00:38:19,674 --> 00:38:23,074
Speaker 1: entertaining that that's know me? What's his best moment? Basically,

800
00:38:23,234 --> 00:38:25,194
Speaker 1: she's like, well, if you guys, let Carrington, you'll still

801
00:38:25,194 --> 00:38:27,513
Speaker 1: be looking for someone because, over my fucking dead body,

802
00:38:27,554 --> 00:38:29,074
Speaker 1: will I work with her? I'm like, that is a

803
00:38:29,114 --> 00:38:32,033
Speaker 1: true emotion. The first time anyone this show has spoken sense.

804
00:38:32,074 --> 00:38:34,314
Speaker 1: You can't bring her into your law and have coffee

805
00:38:34,354 --> 00:38:38,393
Speaker 1: with her in the break when she's literally trying to

806
00:38:38,714 --> 00:38:41,114
Speaker 1: try to attack you across the table, slept with your

807
00:38:41,154 --> 00:38:43,154
Speaker 1: eggs husband. Not that they have to work with people

808
00:38:43,194 --> 00:38:44,754
Speaker 1: that you like in a law firm like this, but

809
00:38:44,834 --> 00:38:47,513
Speaker 1: also you can't work with people you hate. But also

810
00:38:47,554 --> 00:38:50,674
Speaker 1: you can't work with someone that you don't trust, assault

811
00:38:51,754 --> 00:38:54,913
Speaker 1: that will sleep with your husband, like for revenge. Yeah,

812
00:38:55,434 --> 00:38:57,794
Speaker 1: I want to just trust walking into the courtroom with them,

813
00:38:57,834 --> 00:38:59,434
Speaker 1: and I don't think they should even again, it's a

814
00:38:59,474 --> 00:39:01,794
Speaker 1: weird time. That's I think the only thing that you

815
00:39:01,834 --> 00:39:03,954
Speaker 1: could say to really take Carrington laid down is that

816
00:39:04,074 --> 00:39:07,354
Speaker 1: these women her crazy insults at each other about their

817
00:39:07,474 --> 00:39:09,754
Speaker 1: looks and their lives and their families and stuff, and

818
00:39:09,794 --> 00:39:12,194
Speaker 1: nothing sticks because they've said at all. Yeah, the only

819
00:39:12,314 --> 00:39:14,634
Speaker 1: thing that you could hurt Carrington with is what they

820
00:39:14,714 --> 00:39:16,634
Speaker 1: have Dina do, which is when she says, I don't

821
00:39:16,714 --> 00:39:19,794
Speaker 1: choose you. Because through all of this, Dina was still

822
00:39:19,874 --> 00:39:22,074
Speaker 1: her mentor the way that she was Liberty's mentoring, in

823
00:39:22,074 --> 00:39:24,274
Speaker 1: the way she was Laura's mentor, and so it was

824
00:39:24,274 --> 00:39:26,513
Speaker 1: the only thing holding them all together, that this woman

825
00:39:26,674 --> 00:39:29,274
Speaker 1: cared for all of them. And I think that was

826
00:39:29,354 --> 00:39:31,474
Speaker 1: Carrington's thing that was carrying her through, is like she

827
00:39:31,554 --> 00:39:33,674
Speaker 1: always felt like she had one foot in the circle

828
00:39:34,154 --> 00:39:36,033
Speaker 1: because of Dina. And then when Dina says, I didn't

829
00:39:36,074 --> 00:39:38,034
Speaker 1: vote for you, and only did I not vote for

830
00:39:38,074 --> 00:39:40,634
Speaker 1: you to come to join the law firm. But I've

831
00:39:40,714 --> 00:39:43,393
Speaker 1: now realized that the others were right all along, and

832
00:39:43,474 --> 00:39:45,634
Speaker 1: they could just smell the stink on you before I could.

833
00:39:45,954 --> 00:39:47,634
Speaker 1: And I never felt love for you. I've only ever

834
00:39:47,714 --> 00:39:50,594
Speaker 1: felt pity. Yeah, it's good character development because it's the

835
00:39:50,594 --> 00:39:52,474
Speaker 1: only thing that could propel Carrington to do what she

836
00:39:52,594 --> 00:39:56,553
Speaker 1: does next, Yes, which is a cat slight her, which

837
00:39:56,634 --> 00:39:59,034
Speaker 1: is take them all down from the inside. It's so

838
00:39:59,114 --> 00:40:01,274
Speaker 1: funny that little book where she just has their names

839
00:40:01,314 --> 00:40:04,794
Speaker 1: right now and she crosses each one else is so

840
00:40:05,234 --> 00:40:08,994
Speaker 1: like mean girls, Esque's and very Taylor. I've got a

841
00:40:09,034 --> 00:40:13,154
Speaker 1: list of names. And yes in red underline, Ryan Murphey

842
00:40:13,194 --> 00:40:16,634
Speaker 1: was listening to that album. Ye. This was a reputation.

843
00:40:17,074 --> 00:40:20,034
Speaker 1: This was a reputation series, a reputation the series. The

844
00:40:20,114 --> 00:40:22,114
Speaker 1: best bit was when she crossed out Liberty's name after

845
00:40:22,154 --> 00:40:26,234
Speaker 1: the bridesmaids dress and the next moment she's framed Dina

846
00:40:26,274 --> 00:40:29,874
Speaker 1: for murder. I'm like, two different but they both worked.

847
00:40:30,554 --> 00:40:32,834
Speaker 1: And now we end the season with like, so she's

848
00:40:32,914 --> 00:40:36,234
Speaker 1: tricked the other lawyers. So here's the thing. At this point,

849
00:40:36,914 --> 00:40:39,954
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, you're just I no know. I

850
00:40:40,114 --> 00:40:43,034
Speaker 1: was like, this is what I wanted all along. Carrington

851
00:40:43,794 --> 00:40:46,714
Speaker 1: is the star, Yeah, of this show. She's giving up

852
00:40:46,794 --> 00:40:49,594
Speaker 1: all pretends that Kim was the star of this show. Yes,

853
00:40:49,674 --> 00:40:52,714
Speaker 1: so let her have the front half coming home strong

854
00:40:52,914 --> 00:40:55,554
Speaker 1: with Sarah Yeah exactly, and her having all the one

855
00:40:55,634 --> 00:40:58,314
Speaker 1: liners in her It really is her show. And it's

856
00:40:58,394 --> 00:41:01,234
Speaker 1: interesting because I was reading an interview with the executive

857
00:41:01,234 --> 00:41:03,714
Speaker 1: producer who also directed a few of the scenes, and

858
00:41:03,794 --> 00:41:05,754
Speaker 1: he was talking about Kim's acting and stuff getting better,

859
00:41:05,794 --> 00:41:07,434
Speaker 1: but He's also like, oh, there's so many things we

860
00:41:07,514 --> 00:41:09,553
Speaker 1: had to cut. I was like, I friakin bet you guys.

861
00:41:09,594 --> 00:41:11,674
Speaker 1: Did I think she was meant to be more of

862
00:41:11,794 --> 00:41:13,834
Speaker 1: I think she peters out as a show goes along.

863
00:41:14,314 --> 00:41:17,314
Speaker 1: The Illura character doesn't have as much to do and

864
00:41:17,434 --> 00:41:18,913
Speaker 1: I will go out on a limb that I think

865
00:41:19,034 --> 00:41:20,794
Speaker 1: they didn't cut too much. But there's a few big

866
00:41:20,874 --> 00:41:22,714
Speaker 1: scenes that have been cut because they just couldn't get

867
00:41:22,754 --> 00:41:25,074
Speaker 1: her there. Yeah, she just wasn't giving anything, And there's

868
00:41:25,114 --> 00:41:27,873
Speaker 1: so many Carrington scenes. And I think when they did

869
00:41:27,914 --> 00:41:30,393
Speaker 1: the edit, if it had been a stronger actress in

870
00:41:30,434 --> 00:41:33,234
Speaker 1: the Kim Kardashian part, maybe it would have been more

871
00:41:33,274 --> 00:41:35,114
Speaker 1: of an even cut. But it just feels that they've

872
00:41:35,154 --> 00:41:37,553
Speaker 1: cut more of Kim's and left more of Sarah Paul's them,

873
00:41:37,874 --> 00:41:39,433
Speaker 1: which of course you would if you're looking at an

874
00:41:39,514 --> 00:41:41,354
Speaker 1: editor of the two of them together. Oh, it's actually

875
00:41:41,434 --> 00:41:44,154
Speaker 1: so daunting, and like, honestly, hats off to Kim that

876
00:41:44,274 --> 00:41:46,234
Speaker 1: she was willing to stand there and be a scene partner.

877
00:41:46,314 --> 00:41:49,674
Speaker 1: Was absolutely, Yeah, that's the hard thing. It's like there's

878
00:41:49,674 --> 00:41:52,114
Speaker 1: a certain kind of bravery in that. Yeah, there is

879
00:41:52,274 --> 00:41:55,993
Speaker 1: in throwing yourself into not just naivity, do we think.

880
00:41:57,074 --> 00:41:59,194
Speaker 1: I also just think she's so used to being the

881
00:41:59,554 --> 00:42:02,234
Speaker 1: winner in every room. Yeah, yes, exactly, And she's so

882
00:42:02,474 --> 00:42:04,274
Speaker 1: used to be like she's the most famous person. I'm

883
00:42:04,314 --> 00:42:06,394
Speaker 1: sure it didn't occur to her that it was strange

884
00:42:06,434 --> 00:42:09,114
Speaker 1: for her to have toiling over these actresses because and

885
00:42:09,194 --> 00:42:11,314
Speaker 1: in her head used to be Yeah, I mean she

886
00:42:11,514 --> 00:42:13,714
Speaker 1: had top feeling over her family. I think it's the

887
00:42:13,834 --> 00:42:17,234
Speaker 1: first thing that she couldn't kind of like curate away. Yeah,

888
00:42:17,314 --> 00:42:19,194
Speaker 1: because like when you're on the screen acting, that's it.

889
00:42:19,354 --> 00:42:21,993
Speaker 1: Like there's tricks you can do, but there's not a lot.

890
00:42:22,154 --> 00:42:23,714
Speaker 1: This is what I say when Neppo babies also get

891
00:42:23,754 --> 00:42:25,314
Speaker 1: really famous, it was like, yes, you can get in

892
00:42:25,354 --> 00:42:26,513
Speaker 1: the room and all of them get in the room

893
00:42:26,514 --> 00:42:29,674
Speaker 1: over better talented people. Yeah, but once you're on the

894
00:42:29,754 --> 00:42:32,074
Speaker 1: camera and you're carrying a movie or a TV show,

895
00:42:32,154 --> 00:42:33,754
Speaker 1: you can either do it or you can't. Yeah, and

896
00:42:33,874 --> 00:42:35,794
Speaker 1: she can't do it well, you know, and she's made

897
00:42:35,834 --> 00:42:37,554
Speaker 1: that joke about herself, you know, not bad for a

898
00:42:37,594 --> 00:42:39,234
Speaker 1: girl with no talent, right. I think that's one of

899
00:42:39,274 --> 00:42:42,913
Speaker 1: her like famous lines that we've all heard trotted out

900
00:42:42,954 --> 00:42:45,714
Speaker 1: that I guess, like for my take on the show,

901
00:42:45,874 --> 00:42:47,393
Speaker 1: is I guess not bad for a girl with no

902
00:42:47,514 --> 00:42:51,034
Speaker 1: talent like she but she doesn't have talent. No. I

903
00:42:51,154 --> 00:42:54,393
Speaker 1: wonder how much of her will see in season two. Yeah,

904
00:42:54,434 --> 00:42:56,714
Speaker 1: I'd be interested in that because she still build as

905
00:42:56,754 --> 00:42:58,994
Speaker 1: the lead. And it's interesting because I think she obviously

906
00:42:59,034 --> 00:43:00,874
Speaker 1: does have a lot of talent, but she's her talent

907
00:43:00,994 --> 00:43:03,794
Speaker 1: is an imagery. Yeah, her talent isn't like creating an

908
00:43:03,834 --> 00:43:07,074
Speaker 1: image and seeing it through and knowing how to create

909
00:43:07,154 --> 00:43:11,033
Speaker 1: a product like she like she has talent is in headlines, yes,

910
00:43:11,314 --> 00:43:13,514
Speaker 1: and that is not easy to do. It's not And

911
00:43:13,594 --> 00:43:15,594
Speaker 1: I think what you said about like at the top

912
00:43:15,634 --> 00:43:18,594
Speaker 1: of this about the views at the beginning of the show,

913
00:43:18,674 --> 00:43:21,114
Speaker 1: people were tuning in for Kim. Ryan knew that Kim

914
00:43:21,234 --> 00:43:24,314
Speaker 1: knows that she gets headlined. She gets eyes on her exactly,

915
00:43:24,394 --> 00:43:25,873
Speaker 1: and she is always the one who says, like, my

916
00:43:25,954 --> 00:43:27,714
Speaker 1: family want to cut things out of the Kartashians, like

917
00:43:27,754 --> 00:43:29,154
Speaker 1: where we look bad, and she's the one who's like,

918
00:43:29,154 --> 00:43:31,394
Speaker 1: put it back in. That's the show, that's the drama.

919
00:43:31,834 --> 00:43:33,994
Speaker 1: And she's the one who'll sacrifice looking beautiful in a

920
00:43:34,034 --> 00:43:36,234
Speaker 1: red carpet forgetting a headline, like covering her face or

921
00:43:36,274 --> 00:43:39,194
Speaker 1: something like she's very smart, yeah, and interesting and everything.

922
00:43:39,274 --> 00:43:41,433
Speaker 1: But I just think, like when she releases a song,

923
00:43:41,474 --> 00:43:43,993
Speaker 1: they can edit the song when she like they say,

924
00:43:44,074 --> 00:43:46,234
Speaker 1: like she's written this, Like no, she hasn't. But like

925
00:43:46,314 --> 00:43:49,433
Speaker 1: with the acting, you can't. You can't. They probably can't

926
00:43:49,474 --> 00:43:54,354
Speaker 1: make it eye. But overall I would say all's fair.

927
00:43:54,474 --> 00:43:56,754
Speaker 1: Like it's biggest sin is not that the acting is bad,

928
00:43:56,954 --> 00:43:59,274
Speaker 1: and it's biggest sin is not that the plot didn't

929
00:43:59,274 --> 00:44:00,873
Speaker 1: go anywhere. At the end of the day. I just

930
00:44:00,954 --> 00:44:03,754
Speaker 1: founded a little bit boring, did you I did a

931
00:44:03,794 --> 00:44:07,913
Speaker 1: little bit? Hey, you know what. I enjoyed it, which

932
00:44:07,954 --> 00:44:10,433
Speaker 1: I think partly is because it's this time of year

933
00:44:10,474 --> 00:44:13,754
Speaker 1: and I've got nothing left in my change so watching

934
00:44:13,874 --> 00:44:18,433
Speaker 1: something that takes a lot of focus is feels really

935
00:44:18,474 --> 00:44:21,194
Speaker 1: hard right now. Whereas this was just something I could

936
00:44:21,314 --> 00:44:25,474
Speaker 1: dip in, watch go in with like no expectations actually

937
00:44:25,834 --> 00:44:29,274
Speaker 1: going thinking this is going to be terrible, and it's

938
00:44:29,314 --> 00:44:32,194
Speaker 1: actually I found it quite entertaining. But last night, when

939
00:44:32,194 --> 00:44:34,433
Speaker 1: I crammed the last three episodes and watched three back

940
00:44:34,474 --> 00:44:36,514
Speaker 1: to back, it felt like hard work. And it's the

941
00:44:36,594 --> 00:44:39,594
Speaker 1: thing is I love non prestige TV. Give me like

942
00:44:39,714 --> 00:44:42,154
Speaker 1: a crappy show about women in a big city getting

943
00:44:42,154 --> 00:44:43,514
Speaker 1: coffee and stuff. But the thing is, with a lot

944
00:44:43,514 --> 00:44:45,994
Speaker 1: of those shows, there's a heart to them, yeah, and

945
00:44:46,034 --> 00:44:49,074
Speaker 1: they sometimes is a genuine humor, or there's a comfortingness

946
00:44:49,194 --> 00:44:51,434
Speaker 1: to it or something. And I sometimes think that, like,

947
00:44:51,634 --> 00:44:54,674
Speaker 1: really watchable TV is the hardest thing to make. I know,

948
00:44:54,754 --> 00:44:57,033
Speaker 1: people feel like dramas the hardest thing, or like really

949
00:44:57,074 --> 00:44:58,914
Speaker 1: intense comedy is the hardest thing. But I find like

950
00:44:59,474 --> 00:45:01,674
Speaker 1: TV shows that you want to immerse yourself in, and

951
00:45:01,834 --> 00:45:04,314
Speaker 1: this felt like it should be that. Yeah, it should

952
00:45:04,354 --> 00:45:05,794
Speaker 1: be one of those shows like, Oh, I can't wait

953
00:45:05,834 --> 00:45:08,034
Speaker 1: to sit down and watch this and watch each episode

954
00:45:08,074 --> 00:45:10,194
Speaker 1: over and over again. I can't watch that again. Do

955
00:45:10,314 --> 00:45:12,553
Speaker 1: you think it's fair that it's been called the worst

956
00:45:12,554 --> 00:45:17,634
Speaker 1: shop of the year? Maybe? Yeah, maybe to be fair again,

957
00:45:17,874 --> 00:45:20,354
Speaker 1: I don't hate it, but I just think it had everything,

958
00:45:20,834 --> 00:45:22,874
Speaker 1: and for the fact that it's still not that watchable

959
00:45:23,634 --> 00:45:26,074
Speaker 1: is a pretty far fall. I think I just loved

960
00:45:26,114 --> 00:45:28,634
Speaker 1: Sarah so much that I can't say that about it.

961
00:45:28,754 --> 00:45:30,634
Speaker 1: But then if you ask me what was the worst

962
00:45:30,634 --> 00:45:32,474
Speaker 1: show of the year, I can't think of it. I

963
00:45:32,514 --> 00:45:33,953
Speaker 1: just can't think of anything I've watched. I guess because

964
00:45:33,954 --> 00:45:35,794
Speaker 1: there's other shitty things we wouldn't give the time of day.

965
00:45:35,954 --> 00:45:37,754
Speaker 1: We give the time of day this. So is it

966
00:45:37,834 --> 00:45:40,433
Speaker 1: the worst show I've watched this year? Yeah? Maybe? Yeah?

967
00:45:40,474 --> 00:45:42,114
Speaker 1: Do you think it was worse than And just like

968
00:45:42,234 --> 00:45:44,634
Speaker 1: that Norman, just like that still has a heart to it,

969
00:45:44,874 --> 00:45:46,754
Speaker 1: and just like that still is a world I want

970
00:45:46,754 --> 00:45:48,674
Speaker 1: to live. And I watched one of those episodes. I

971
00:45:48,754 --> 00:45:50,914
Speaker 1: feel like I've got a lot of goodwill for that

972
00:45:51,154 --> 00:45:53,594
Speaker 1: because of the years and years that I spent loving

973
00:45:53,634 --> 00:45:56,474
Speaker 1: sex and the City and loving those characters. But I

974
00:45:56,634 --> 00:45:59,354
Speaker 1: feel like I enjoyed All's Fair this year more than

975
00:45:59,354 --> 00:46:02,874
Speaker 1: I enjoyed And just like God and how that information

976
00:46:05,154 --> 00:46:09,033
Speaker 1: and just like that defend us well again, I find

977
00:46:09,074 --> 00:46:11,834
Speaker 1: a heart and a joyfulness to that show that they

978
00:46:11,874 --> 00:46:14,154
Speaker 1: didn't always have. But that, to me feels like a

979
00:46:14,234 --> 00:46:17,074
Speaker 1: fully formed world. This feels like Ryan Murphy moving dolls

980
00:46:17,114 --> 00:46:20,234
Speaker 1: around on the sound stage, which is exactly what it is. Yeah,

981
00:46:20,594 --> 00:46:22,674
Speaker 1: I don't know, You're probably the one that's right here.

982
00:46:22,874 --> 00:46:25,034
Speaker 1: Like I know that I'm wrong and I know that

983
00:46:25,114 --> 00:46:28,074
Speaker 1: you're right. It became a cultural talking point, and I

984
00:46:28,114 --> 00:46:30,274
Speaker 1: think that's what they wanted at the end of the day.

985
00:46:30,394 --> 00:46:32,674
Speaker 1: That's what this executive producer who talked to the Hollywood

986
00:46:32,674 --> 00:46:35,474
Speaker 1: Reporter said he said that Ryan Murphy got what he

987
00:46:35,554 --> 00:46:38,154
Speaker 1: wanted because everyone is talking about this, and I find

988
00:46:38,194 --> 00:46:39,594
Speaker 1: that so true. It was like he wanted to create

989
00:46:39,634 --> 00:46:42,274
Speaker 1: a cultural moment. He created a cultural moment. It made

990
00:46:42,434 --> 00:46:44,274
Speaker 1: him a lot of money. And now they've been renewed

991
00:46:44,274 --> 00:46:46,674
Speaker 1: for season two. And this is an expensive show to make.

992
00:46:46,714 --> 00:46:49,553
Speaker 1: Think of the clothes, the salary, the sets, the guest

993
00:46:49,554 --> 00:46:52,634
Speaker 1: star prices. There's no way Hulu's saying yes to that

994
00:46:52,834 --> 00:46:55,714
Speaker 1: unless they're getting money back for it. Absolutely, so we

995
00:46:55,834 --> 00:46:57,634
Speaker 1: get to do this all again next year. Will you

996
00:46:57,714 --> 00:47:00,714
Speaker 1: be watching obviously? I mean, wait, it is my job,

997
00:47:00,794 --> 00:47:03,634
Speaker 1: but I'm probably cheatedn't out of curiosity, But I hope

998
00:47:03,674 --> 00:47:06,074
Speaker 1: they find their feet a bit more in season two.

999
00:47:06,514 --> 00:47:08,994
Speaker 1: They sort of let everyone go on their strengths and

1000
00:47:09,074 --> 00:47:11,194
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashing can just in it looking hot as all hell,

1001
00:47:11,234 --> 00:47:13,794
Speaker 1: and they can kind of peter that out a little

1002
00:47:13,874 --> 00:47:16,194
Speaker 1: bit and just yeah, bring that in. I feel like

1003
00:47:16,314 --> 00:47:18,514
Speaker 1: it's not going to be great next year. No, no,

1004
00:47:18,834 --> 00:47:21,994
Speaker 1: but we'll stay tuned for season two. Well, thank you

1005
00:47:22,114 --> 00:47:24,114
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1006
00:47:24,194 --> 00:47:26,594
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1008
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1009
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1010
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1015
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