Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2: Muma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Welcome to Mumma out Loud.
Speaker 3: What women are actually talking about on Wednesday, the tenth
Speaker 3: of September.
Speaker 2: I am Jesse Stevens.
Speaker 1: I am Amelia Lester, and I am Stacy Hicks.
Speaker 2: Feeling in for Holly and Holly is off today.
Speaker 3: Stacy, you busted the door down because you it's not customary,
Speaker 3: but you say.
Speaker 2: You have a midweek recommendation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just breaking the rules. I busted in. I've
Speaker 1: got one. It's good. I promise, I promise it's good.
Speaker 3: Well, we're going to save it till the end of
Speaker 3: the show. Here is what is on our agenda for today.
Speaker 1: There's been an update to the infamous Coldplay concert affair
Speaker 1: and it will change the way you view relationships.
Speaker 4: There are two new species of men that we need
Speaker 4: to be looking out for in the wild.
Speaker 3: And the great lock in. Why all your goals suddenly
Speaker 3: feel urgent? And self optimization is very much on the agenda.
Speaker 4: But first, in case you missed it, a new season
Speaker 4: of Succession Disdrupped.
Speaker 1: Give it to Me please just kidding.
Speaker 4: What actually happened was the Murdoch family, on whom the
Speaker 4: TV show Succession is based, have finally figured out how
Speaker 4: to divide up ninety four year old Rupert Murdoch's billions.
Speaker 1: I know you were worried for them.
Speaker 2: It's so stressful.
Speaker 4: What actually happened was apparently they hadn't even thought about
Speaker 4: this until they started watching Succession, and then they looked
Speaker 4: at each other and said, hang on, we've got to
Speaker 4: figure out what to do with these billions because Rupert
Speaker 4: will probably slip his mortal coil soon. So this cued
Speaker 4: many years of infighting, many many years. They ended up
Speaker 4: in a court room in Nevada, which is in the
Speaker 4: middle of the desert. Apparently there's a state laws that
Speaker 4: are a bit more flexible than in other states, and
Speaker 4: they all started fighting each other and they figured out
Speaker 4: what to do. Let me explain how they figured it out.
Speaker 4: There are four older children from Rupert Murdoch's first two marriages,
Speaker 4: Kendall Connor, Ship.
Speaker 1: And the one who gets nothing.
Speaker 4: There are two from his marriage to Wendy Dang. We
Speaker 4: can set those two aside. They just want the money.
Speaker 4: They're not interested in the power so we don't have
Speaker 4: to worry about them. We're just talking about the four
Speaker 4: older kids from the two first marriages. The problem is
Speaker 4: they don't agree politically. Lachlan Murdock, who was Rupert's favorite,
Speaker 4: he's all in on Fox News, which is how Rupert
Speaker 4: has made a lot of his money. He loves the
Speaker 4: fact that Fox News pushed Donald Trump into the presidency.
Speaker 4: He's a big conservative. Some people say he's even more
Speaker 4: right wing than Rupert, and he wanted to go full
Speaker 4: steam ahead with Fox News. The other three older siblings
Speaker 4: not fans of Fox News, not fans of Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: not fans of the conservative news empire, and they wanted
Speaker 4: to change it. So there were many, many years of
Speaker 4: in fighting. But it turns out that those three older
Speaker 4: siblings have been reassured with the offer of one point
Speaker 4: seven billion dollars to walk away and never interfere with
Speaker 4: Fox News again.
Speaker 2: That's fine, got to do it, Yes, I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: good to me that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Lachlan takes over Fox News when Rupert dies and
Speaker 4: goes full steam ahead on the conservative bent of Fox News,
Speaker 4: and the other three just get to enjoy some time
Speaker 4: on yachts. They've promised they'll never get involved with Fox
Speaker 4: News ever again.
Speaker 3: Okay, so this is my theory because interesting timing is
Speaker 3: what I'll say. On Friday, Stacy, did you listen to
Speaker 3: Friday's episode?
Speaker 1: I sure did.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, it's an episode you would know that we
Speaker 3: talked about the Google doc that everyone needs to fill
Speaker 3: out the satche before the spreadsheet, right, that you need
Speaker 3: to fill out before you die. So my theory is
Speaker 3: that Rupert listened as he often does, and he went,
Speaker 3: I've got to get to the bottom of this because
Speaker 3: you never know, you never know when your time's up.
Speaker 3: And so he went through he put in his Facebook password,
Speaker 3: Twitter password like details of what he wanted to happen
Speaker 3: with his mail, and then he just wrote Lachlan.
Speaker 2: He just said, Lachlin, and I'm all in on.
Speaker 4: Lock clank go with Lachlin. I think that's probably what happens.
Speaker 4: But I don't think that they're going to be talking
Speaker 4: to each other anytime soon. So James Murdoch, who some
Speaker 4: people say is the smartest Murdoch some people, Yeah, if
Speaker 4: you're listening Rupert and Lachlin, and he has spoken about
Speaker 4: how Rupert was really mean to him all through this
Speaker 4: Rupert's lawyers in a deposition said things to him like
Speaker 4: have you ever done anything successful on your own? And
Speaker 4: also why were you too busy to say Happy Birthday
Speaker 4: to your father when he turned ninety?
Speaker 2: Oh that's petty.
Speaker 4: So James was very upset about all of that, and
Speaker 4: I think it's safe to say that Lachlin and James
Speaker 4: are kind of like the new William and Harry. They're
Speaker 4: not talking and I don't see a reconciliation in the
Speaker 4: cards anytime soon.
Speaker 3: And is important to my millennial reference point is that
Speaker 3: Lachlan is of course married to Sarah Murdoch, form the
Speaker 3: host of Australia's Next Top Models, and that's what matters.
Speaker 1: That's what matters. Yeah, okay, So we always talk about
Speaker 1: how the world's small, fragmented than ever now it's impossible
Speaker 1: to gain mass attention. But nothing quite united the world
Speaker 1: quite like the Coldplay concert chating scandal. Like you would
Speaker 1: have been hard pressed to find someone who didn't know
Speaker 1: the details of that, so you'd probably never even heard
Speaker 1: of the company astronomer before the CEO, Andy Byron, was
Speaker 1: called canoodling on the kiss can That's the only way
Speaker 1: to describe it. Isn't it with his chief people officer,
Speaker 1: Kristin Cabot back in July July. This moves fast. I
Speaker 1: feel like that was yesterday. So despite them reportedly being
Speaker 1: in happy marriages, this occurred. The world made memes about it.
Speaker 1: But there's been an update to the story now that
Speaker 1: might change how you look at it. So it pops
Speaker 1: back up in the headlines again a few weeks ago,
Speaker 1: because Cabot officially filed for divorce last month. But now,
Speaker 1: in a statement to People, Cabots soon to be ex
Speaker 1: husband Andrew Cabbot, has confirmed that they were separated long
Speaker 1: before the Coldplay concert occurred. He says several weeks so
Speaker 1: maybe not long before, but several weeks before, and they
Speaker 1: had made the decision to be divorced before that night.
Speaker 1: Now we don't know if the same is the case
Speaker 1: for Andy Byron. He's never spoken publicly, but you know,
Speaker 1: suffered huge ramifications from this story, had to step down,
Speaker 1: as did Kristin Cabot. Neither of them have spoken, but
Speaker 1: this is a pretty crucial detail in this story that
Speaker 1: no one was privy to, and yet everyone has made
Speaker 1: their decisions about it and moved on. So do you
Speaker 1: feel like, this changes it for you, Jesse.
Speaker 2: It changes everything.
Speaker 3: And I feel like at the time we were saying,
Speaker 3: we don't know what the arrangement of someone else's marriage is.
Speaker 3: We don't know if they're still together. It was two
Speaker 3: seconds of footage and people jumped on so fast, and
Speaker 3: images of her and her husband were released pretty immediately.
Speaker 3: You can't retract the headlines and the comments and all
Speaker 3: of that on the internet forgets fast because even the
Speaker 3: way that it works is that everything's just the new
Speaker 3: update now, but no one's reading the new update because
Speaker 3: the virality and the intensity of that moment has passed.
Speaker 3: So the narrative, it was never about the facts or
Speaker 3: the truth or you know, the reality of their marriage.
Speaker 3: It was about a narrative that was corporate dishonesty. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the way that we are tricked and manipulated and they
Speaker 3: just flaunt the rules, those people at the top of
Speaker 3: the corporate ladder. And we liked that narrative and it
Speaker 3: was neat, and then we moved on and then the
Speaker 3: details sort of don't matter. I'm watching this now and
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, are we retracting the opinion cases?
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, this just makes me think about an adage
Speaker 4: that my mom has always passed along to me, which is,
Speaker 4: you don't know what is happening in someone else's marriage,
Speaker 4: no matter how much you think you know, even if
Speaker 4: it's your best friend at alone, some random person on
Speaker 4: the internet, you just can never actually tell what the
Speaker 4: dynamic is. And I feel like that's really relevant in
Speaker 4: the Internet age, because the way we think we understand
Speaker 4: people's relationships is what they post on social media or
Speaker 4: how they act on social media. And don't you think
Speaker 4: that the people who talk the most about how happy
Speaker 4: they are on social media are often the ones who
Speaker 4: end up coming out and saying it's all falling apart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. The people who are always loudest about their
Speaker 1: relationships are always the ones that you end up suddenly
Speaker 1: seeing the breakup post from on the notes app on
Speaker 1: their Instagram.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Even Jennifer Lopez j LO as I as I know
Speaker 1: her was gushing about how she'd never felt more beautiful
Speaker 1: than when she was with Ben Affleck, and then a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks later they were filing for divorce. Like,
Speaker 1: I feel like you're protesting too much, You trying to
Speaker 1: prove something to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fast on, fast off, Yeah, I always worry about that,
Speaker 3: and I have a theory.
Speaker 2: We spoke I remember maybe a few months.
Speaker 3: Ago about vow renewals, because remember Brooklyn Beckham and Nicola
Speaker 3: Peltzbeckham were getting their vows renewed, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: is that a is that almost like a red flag
Speaker 3: that you kind of feel the need to display your
Speaker 3: love after two years?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yes, And the loudness of it I think makes people
Speaker 3: feel a little bit uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: And yeah, what are you trying to prove? What are
Speaker 1: you trying to say to us? Here? We get it,
Speaker 1: you're married.
Speaker 2: What's behind it?
Speaker 3: But then I was talking to some friends last night
Speaker 3: and have you seen the images from that of our
Speaker 3: renewal with yes, so pictures of it's not just of
Speaker 3: our renewal, Like she's in a wedding dress, Nicola pel Oh, Yeah,
Speaker 3: like and she's looking stunning.
Speaker 2: And we were saying, she's changed her.
Speaker 3: Hair, right, So she was blonde the first time she
Speaker 3: got married, and now she's a brunette.
Speaker 2: She's looking great, And that's key.
Speaker 3: It's key because it feels like when Mea gets a haircut.
Speaker 3: People might not know this, but every time Maya gets
Speaker 3: a haircut. She wants new headshots, and she says.
Speaker 2: We have to make a new art.
Speaker 3: Were like, we can't just design our lives around you
Speaker 3: and your haircut now, because you're changing it all the time.
Speaker 3: So I think that sometimes with marriages and with weddings,
Speaker 3: we think, well, now I'm a brunette wife, and so
Speaker 3: I need images to reflect who I am now, and
Speaker 3: we'll all say how we look back at our pictures
Speaker 3: and go, well, I wouldn't mind redoing a bit of
Speaker 3: a photo shoot. I was six months pregnant. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: mind having a little bit of a waste.
Speaker 1: My wedding day was called Stormageddon in the papers the
Speaker 1: next day, so you can imagine the humidity that I
Speaker 1: had to deal with as a curly girl, so the
Speaker 1: hair was not at prime. I would love to renew
Speaker 1: for that reason alone.
Speaker 3: Your husband doesn't need to be there, no see you
Speaker 3: in a photography me exactly.
Speaker 4: I do have regrets about the fact that I got
Speaker 4: married in maybe the most humid place in the world
Speaker 4: at the most humid time of year, and I wore
Speaker 4: my hair down because I was going for Kate Middleton vibes.
Speaker 1: That was what we thought looked good.
Speaker 4: Back then and now I'm like, that was not very
Speaker 4: practical of me. The hair should have been up.
Speaker 3: We were saying, it's like, you think you're gonna wake
Speaker 3: up on your wedding day because we're sold like this
Speaker 3: kind of princess lie that we're going to wake up
Speaker 3: on our.
Speaker 2: Wedding day and look like a bride.
Speaker 3: But you wake up and you still have your face,
Speaker 3: and you still have your body, and it's still you
Speaker 3: still and you smile like an idiot, and do you
Speaker 3: look at pictures You're like, my photographer was absolutely brilliant,
Speaker 3: but like, I am not the stuff of Bridle magazines.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 2: But in my vowur renule, perhaps I will be. Perhaps
Speaker 2: I will be.
Speaker 1: I know is Nicola Peltzberg. And that's why we will
Speaker 1: get a vour nule every two years for the rest
Speaker 1: of time.
Speaker 3: Three and a half sorry, very significant date.
Speaker 2: Time has flown exactly three and a half years.
Speaker 4: I'm just wondering to bring it back to the Coldplay
Speaker 4: couple if what their big mistake was here was that
Speaker 4: they looked so guilty instead of leaning into what we
Speaker 4: now understand to be kind of like hot divorce energy,
Speaker 4: they were feeling themselves there at the Chris Martin serenade
Speaker 4: until the camera came onto them.
Speaker 2: Because they were time.
Speaker 4: That was their crime. They looked guilty rather than embracing
Speaker 4: the energy of divorces.
Speaker 3: There was a great article in the Sidney Morning Herald
Speaker 3: at the time by Tim Duggan, who writes a lot
Speaker 3: about work and career, and he was saying that what workplaces,
Speaker 3: all workplaces should have is something called a relationship.
Speaker 2: Registry, and that's brilliant.
Speaker 3: You need to have it because I wonder if when
Speaker 3: they hid. There's a lot of ways to read it, right,
Speaker 3: it's maybe to protect the children. We don't know if
Speaker 3: the other guy in it. I'm sure like it does
Speaker 3: look like maybe he was still in Yes, but her
Speaker 3: maybe she didn't want our kids to know. Also, the
Speaker 3: workplace might not have known yet. And stats show that
Speaker 3: like between one in three and two in three people
Speaker 3: have had a relationship in the workplace.
Speaker 4: I think I know someone.
Speaker 1: I think that.
Speaker 3: We work as the one in three because anyone else
Speaker 3: had I have.
Speaker 1: I'm also married to my former co.
Speaker 2: Work in three. You're the odd one out of me.
Speaker 4: I cannot imagine doing it, but God bless you well.
Speaker 3: It says that what you should have is like a
Speaker 3: relationship registry where the whole office doesn't need to know,
Speaker 3: but because of things like conflicts of interests and promotions
Speaker 3: and you know, lines of management and everything, you just
Speaker 3: let them know. You can just put it on like
Speaker 3: to your HR person. I mean, the issue is she
Speaker 3: was at HR. Maybe she put it in. Maybe she
Speaker 3: did put it in exactly. And the issue is too
Speaker 3: what if you want to declare the relationship but both
Speaker 3: of you are married, Like, is that something that the
Speaker 3: workplace can condone? Are they the morality police or are
Speaker 3: they just kind of watching how it kind of plays
Speaker 3: out in the workplace?
Speaker 4: Can I can I ask a little bit of an
Speaker 4: intrusive question, Stacy, when you got together with your now
Speaker 4: husband at work, don't you have to tell HR and
Speaker 4: sort of the HighRes up at some point? And how
Speaker 4: did you decide when to do that?
Speaker 1: We did, and we then had the conversation over well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go in. You go in, you go,
Speaker 1: you go tell him, you go telling me what you
Speaker 1: are closer with him, you've been here longer, you go
Speaker 1: let him know. So that's what we did. It's so awkward.
Speaker 4: It was very.
Speaker 1: Awkward, and when the person had all gone south very quickly,
Speaker 1: which you know it might have done. So how did
Speaker 1: you decide? It was kind of like maybe a month
Speaker 1: in and it was kind of.
Speaker 4: Like brushed at each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I guess so. So it was
Speaker 1: because return and have.
Speaker 3: A hook up and then be like, oh, I'm declaring
Speaker 3: it to HR and they're like don't, it's over.
Speaker 1: And then you're sitting together in an editorial meeting kitchen stories. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's a very delicate space. But even other people
Speaker 1: in this company got pulled into this story that weren't
Speaker 1: even part of this story. Yeah, and this is another
Speaker 1: thing that has flown under the radar. It got corrected
Speaker 1: at some point along the line, but no one even
Speaker 1: knows that the woman that was standing next to them
Speaker 1: in the clip. Do you remember there was a woman
Speaker 1: that kind of had this look on her face as
Speaker 1: the kiss cam came on to them, like oh, they've
Speaker 1: just got stung and I just need to stand as
Speaker 1: still as possible and hope no one spots me. People
Speaker 1: said that that was the other person that worked in
Speaker 1: HR at the company, and they found photos it was
Speaker 1: not her.
Speaker 4: She was not.
Speaker 1: Involved in any way in the story. But that is
Speaker 1: now something that people believe about that company. So it's
Speaker 1: funny how these things will just move along now is
Speaker 1: fact that that will forever be known as part of
Speaker 1: the story. There was also a fake statement from Andy Byron,
Speaker 1: the CEO, that got widely circulated on the day not real.
Speaker 3: Also she resigned right yeah, and I'm looking back at it,
Speaker 3: going she'd do anything wrong?
Speaker 2: Did she?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: I know that reputationally they can go. It caused maybe
Speaker 3: a bit of damage, although they actually capitalized off it.
Speaker 3: They got Gwyneth Paltrow in an ad, but I don't
Speaker 3: know why she had to listen.
Speaker 4: I think when you're head of h R, it's a
Speaker 4: bit unfortunate that she's caught in this way. But look,
Speaker 4: I think the biggest problem with it was maybe the
Speaker 4: Coldplay of it all. If this was at an Oasis concert.
Speaker 4: You know, the northern summer has been punctuated with Oasis concerts,
Speaker 4: and they're coming here soon, I think that's very on
Speaker 4: brand Oasis. They're bad boys, like you kind of expect
Speaker 4: people to be having affairs, So it felt like Coldplay
Speaker 4: was just too wholesome. Coldplate is, as someone once said,
Speaker 4: to me, coldplay is kind of like the porridge of
Speaker 4: popular music. It's good for you, it's fibrous, but it's
Speaker 4: not where you should be having affairs. I say, next
Speaker 4: time this happens, do it at an oasis. Concept in
Speaker 4: a moment, beware the performative male. We give you the
Speaker 4: signs of how to spot one in the wild. Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm going to describe a type of man you may
Speaker 4: have seen out and about recently. Let me know if
Speaker 4: this rings any bells. He's got a canvas tote bag.
Speaker 4: He's carrying a matcher. He might have a paperback book
Speaker 4: that you yourself have on your bedside table. Think Sally Rooney,
Speaker 4: Jacob ALORDI is it him? He might have a laboo
Speaker 4: boo dangling from a carabiner attached to the belt loop
Speaker 4: of his wide leg jeans. Is this ringing any bells, ladies?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see such creatures on the train.
Speaker 4: Yes, this is a creature that we can now name.
Speaker 4: This man has been identified. He is known as the
Speaker 4: performative male. Move over the softboy. This is the performative male.
Speaker 4: He's not just in touch with his emotions. He is
Speaker 4: performing his emotions and muma me as Katie Powers wrote
Speaker 4: a great piece for The Sight kind of summing him up.
Speaker 4: She said, he puts his headphones in, picks up his matcher,
Speaker 4: opens his book to the first page. He is a
Speaker 4: cocktail of green flags, a man written for the female gaze.
Speaker 4: So Katie talks about you know, none of these behaviors
Speaker 4: are problematic. In fact, I think a man reading a
Speaker 4: Sally Rooney book and drinking a matcher quite delightful. He's
Speaker 4: getting his antioxidants in and he's educating himself with acclaimed
Speaker 4: female writer. But I think that the issue with this
Speaker 4: type of man, and the reason why he's been given
Speaker 4: this name, the performed of male, is because he's just
Speaker 4: doing it for the gram. He's just doing it to
Speaker 4: impress women. He's not actually doing it because he loves
Speaker 4: tortured irish protagonists and green tea. So I think also
Speaker 4: reminds me a little bit of the sensitive new age
Speaker 4: guy from the nineties, the snag. Does anyone remember that?
Speaker 4: And I'm kind of one How unique is this new
Speaker 4: type of man? Or is it just that every generation
Speaker 4: has to name that man who's trying a little bit
Speaker 4: too hard to be a feminist?
Speaker 2: I hate this. I hate the term.
Speaker 3: Why because it's the male equivalent of the pick me girl.
Speaker 3: And I shudder when I hear the term pic me girl.
Speaker 3: I find it so degrading and so sexist.
Speaker 4: Can you just describe quickly what a pickme goal is,
Speaker 4: because I've never really understood that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So often it's used to talk about a young woman
Speaker 3: who seeks validation and attention by acting in a way
Speaker 3: that they believe men will find desirable. So what annoys
Speaker 3: me about it is that, like, the male gaze is
Speaker 3: so just a fixture of our culture, and then when
Speaker 3: any of us play to it as we are socialized
Speaker 3: to do, we're then punished as well. And like the
Speaker 3: idea that a heterosexual person would do something to impress
Speaker 3: the opposite sec like, yeah, that happens all the time.
Speaker 3: I hear women use it against other women all the time,
Speaker 3: and I just think putting people into categories like that
Speaker 3: is icky.
Speaker 4: So you think it's a bit mean, I think.
Speaker 2: It's a bit mean.
Speaker 3: And as you say, Amelia, none of those qualities, like
Speaker 3: some of the other qualities I saw were like men
Speaker 3: who paint their nails or kind of play with gender
Speaker 3: a little bit, or maybe they talk about their sisters
Speaker 3: a lot, or offer to go and buy you some
Speaker 3: tampons or something.
Speaker 2: Like all of those things.
Speaker 3: At what point are we actually just punishing men for
Speaker 3: transgressing our ideas of masculine boundaries.
Speaker 1: But I think the difference with this and how it
Speaker 1: seems to get defined, it's not about men who are
Speaker 1: doing things that you would traditionally see as more feminine,
Speaker 1: like the nail painting. It's more about how they're performing
Speaker 1: their love of femininity.
Speaker 3: Should we want men to try and like play with
Speaker 3: different like even if they have their Sally Rooney and
Speaker 3: maybe they'll hate it, But like I thought we were
Speaker 3: in cocouraging men to read, like isn't that a god?
Speaker 3: Just sit there with your book and maybe they'll enjoy it.
Speaker 1: But it's if they actually read it, Jesse's when it's
Speaker 1: they're on the table at ten different angles for them
Speaker 1: to post it on the Instagram to get validation from
Speaker 1: women that they're reading it.
Speaker 3: That in itself a bit of a power in version
Speaker 3: that men are suddenly aware of the female guess, that
Speaker 3: the male gaze has like impacted us all so much
Speaker 3: that now they're not only aware of the female gaze,
Speaker 3: but they're pandering to it.
Speaker 2: Great, we could do with a bit more of that.
Speaker 4: No bit, Jesse, This is justin Baldoni. You're saying how
Speaker 4: great this is that they're pandering to the female gaze.
Speaker 4: But have you ever spoken to a man who talks
Speaker 4: about how he's a feminist every second sentence? It's very annoying?
Speaker 3: Yes, But have you ever spoken to a woman who, like,
Speaker 3: I know a lot of women who talk about feminism
Speaker 3: and social justice issues and all of that, and they're assholes?
Speaker 3: You know, like, sometimes people are just assholes. I keep
Speaker 3: seeing these new terms, even like himbo is the other
Speaker 3: one that's.
Speaker 4: Going No, no, let me tell you about the other
Speaker 4: way please, just could be an interesting in contrast, So
Speaker 4: we've got the performative males, which unsurprisingly have been a
Speaker 4: species explored by, among other publications, The Guardian Lads come
Speaker 4: in with its hot take on Travis Kelsey, who I
Speaker 4: thought was pretty universally I thought he was nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, apparently he's not just a himbo, he's a who
Speaker 4: me man? And that's a problem. Let me explain the
Speaker 4: who me man? So this is the guy who comes
Speaker 4: across as done but lovely but is actually full of
Speaker 4: strategy and calculations. They refuse to talk about politics, but
Speaker 4: that's only because they've decided that being a political works
Speaker 4: for them. So Travis. That's why Travis is kind of
Speaker 4: the patron saint of this crowd, because think about the
Speaker 4: fact that Donald Trump says on social media that he
Speaker 4: hates Taylor Swift. Shortly afterwards, Travis Kelsey has asked if
Speaker 4: he will ever go to the White House if he
Speaker 4: wins a big football game, and Travis says, yeah, why not,
Speaker 4: It'll be an honor. And that's the problem with the
Speaker 4: who me man. It's a lot of why not, Oh,
Speaker 4: I don't really have views on politics. Oh I don't
Speaker 4: do politics. And there's lots of other examples of this
Speaker 4: kind of man in popular culture. Think about like Glenn Powell.
Speaker 4: People thought he was having an affair with Sidney Sweeney
Speaker 4: when they did a forgettable movie together and she got
Speaker 4: all the heat for it, but he just sort of
Speaker 4: sat in the corner looking Hanson with his square jaw,
Speaker 4: not weighing in, or even Jason Momoa. I didn't really
Speaker 4: know about this, but the Slate article tells me that
Speaker 4: I thought he was a lovable lunk, But no, apparently
Speaker 4: there's allegations he's been drinking a lot on set and
Speaker 4: getting really unpleasant. So that's the Homi man. But then
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, how do men win? Because we're told that
Speaker 4: they talk too much about feminism, they're a performative male,
Speaker 4: they don't talk about feminism enough. They are wo me.
Speaker 4: And then you just got the in cells in the middle.
Speaker 4: So is there a right way to be a man
Speaker 4: these days?
Speaker 2: And do we force them into the end? Like I
Speaker 2: don't want to patronize men? And I think that it's
Speaker 2: like the idea.
Speaker 3: I was listening to someone speak recently who was talking
Speaker 3: about how we all go, how.
Speaker 2: Do you be a good man? What a feature of
Speaker 2: a good man? Like that the first problem?
Speaker 4: By the way, talking about how to be a good man? Yes,
Speaker 4: And it's like nails on a chalk water.
Speaker 3: Yes, And she just went, can we just talk about
Speaker 3: being a good person? Like they're the same criteria, the
Speaker 3: same qualities. There's a tone of contempt that I think
Speaker 3: underlies a lot of these Internet conversations, and I found
Speaker 3: it in abundance in that Slate article that was like
Speaker 3: men can tell when people are being sort of needlessly
Speaker 3: cruel about them even there was a line in the
Speaker 3: Slate article that said football is by its very nature
Speaker 3: and inherently American sport and therefore inherently political. It's unavoidable
Speaker 3: for a white man in professional football to be non partisan,
Speaker 3: and I was like, I can see how that becomes exhausting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this to get back to the performative man,
Speaker 1: this is about them pretending to be a feminist, not
Speaker 1: actually being one, and that's why people have such strong
Speaker 1: feelings about it. So I wanted to make sure that
Speaker 1: the audience know how to spot this man in the world.
Speaker 2: Give me more exams, Okay, So I.
Speaker 1: Polled our Mamma Mia team, who had a lot of
Speaker 1: strong feelings. I got flooded, quite frankly, with the things
Speaker 1: that make you a performative man. So there's ones that
Speaker 1: we've kind of talked about, like proudly having the tampons
Speaker 1: in the console of the car to kind of show
Speaker 1: their they're an ally to the women. I think that's helpful.
Speaker 1: They carry the canvas hope we know that one. They
Speaker 1: usually own a shirt that says the future is female,
Speaker 1: but don't ask you any questions.
Speaker 4: On a date.
Speaker 1: This is why they're getting annoyed, which is fair enough.
Speaker 1: They have a lot of these feminist books you speak of,
Speaker 1: you know, like The Bell Jar by Sylvia Plath. They've
Speaker 1: got that on their bookshelf. But if you look closely,
Speaker 1: the spine is not crat it's there for display. It's
Speaker 1: not there to be read or betty. Yet they're reading
Speaker 1: them in public, but they're making sure they're angled up
Speaker 1: so everyone can see what they're reading in public.
Speaker 2: Stacy, have you ever done that? Maybe a little bit?
Speaker 3: Have we ma just a book to have in our
Speaker 3: bag for those moments when other people will see our cover.
Speaker 1: That's the problem with the ca Have I allowed the
Speaker 1: corner of my book into an esthetic photo of my
Speaker 1: feet on the beach?
Speaker 4: Mate?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: Have you amazed? Am I a performative man?
Speaker 3: I think, Amelia Stacy. We did a subscriber episode recently
Speaker 3: that was a lot of fun and it has inspired
Speaker 3: a lot of input from the out loudest. We came
Speaker 3: across a substack newsletter by a writer called rich Childless Godmother.
Speaker 3: That's an unusual name, it is it is, which was
Speaker 3: just a list of low steaks, silly things that she
Speaker 3: deemed offensive. For example, she said arriving exactly on time
Speaker 3: for anything is incredibly offensive.
Speaker 1: No, that one's incredible. Do that every day of my life,
Speaker 1: food five minutes earlier.
Speaker 3: Late, food intolerances as opposed to allergies. She's like, nah,
Speaker 3: I find that offensive. And look, we decided to add
Speaker 3: our own and in this episode we talked about island
Speaker 3: disc goes incredibly offensive.
Speaker 1: I'm going to one next month, I think, Stacey, I'll
Speaker 1: see myself.
Speaker 3: Out fruit salads that are eighty percent melon. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I think everyone agrees. That's just highly offensive. When you
Speaker 3: order a sandwich it's not cut in half. And one
Speaker 3: of mine was when I'm eating a muffin and I
Speaker 3: believe that brown thing to be chocolate and it ends up.
Speaker 1: Being a raising Oh yeah, jale.
Speaker 2: So offensive, just.
Speaker 3: A day ruiner, right. I wanted your contributions to things
Speaker 3: that you deem offensive, please, Stacy.
Speaker 1: I have so many loose leaf tea I drink five
Speaker 1: cups a day. I don't want the admin. What are
Speaker 1: you doing?
Speaker 3: I don't even know how you're meant to use it, Like,
Speaker 3: is it just bruins something.
Speaker 1: You've got to put it in a little.
Speaker 4: It's meant to be a point of meditation and contemplation
Speaker 4: in your days.
Speaker 1: I don't like it, especially at a cafe. I'm paying
Speaker 1: you to give me admin.
Speaker 4: Now I have to find always ends up tasting bitter
Speaker 4: because two yeah.
Speaker 3: And you get like eleven different pieces of contraption and
Speaker 3: you're like, I look like an engineer.
Speaker 1: And then always one bit ends up in your mouth.
Speaker 1: There's always a strike, got it? And I also don't like,
Speaker 1: speaking of cafes, the big shared tables in the middle
Speaker 1: where you get seated right next to a stranger. Don't
Speaker 1: like that either. Oh that's so fair. It annoys me.
Speaker 1: Can tuna just that it exists?
Speaker 2: How else does one consume tuna?
Speaker 1: I just the smell? I can't. But that's also because
Speaker 1: I sat next to a person on a plane who
Speaker 1: ate it on a plane, and I think it's more
Speaker 1: that they were personally offensive to me, and my most
Speaker 1: controversial one, I dared bring it up before I came in.
Speaker 1: I don't like people reverse parking. Wait, that's more safe
Speaker 1: and responsible. Just drive into the spot. I don't have
Speaker 1: time for you to refresh.
Speaker 4: Okay, Stacey. So I'm a famously bad driver and I
Speaker 4: need to step up on my soapbox. Here I recently
Speaker 4: took some refresher driving last year.
Speaker 1: You can do that.
Speaker 4: Wow, it doesn't work very well. I could certainly try it,
Speaker 4: and they told me that you have to reverse in
Speaker 4: because it's something about the wheels and you'll get into
Speaker 4: an accident. And if you don't, that's what people told me.
Speaker 1: But I just don't. I don't want to wait for
Speaker 1: you to reverse in.
Speaker 2: You know what it is.
Speaker 3: It's embarrassing to watch someone do it and you just
Speaker 3: feel cringe. And then I try and reverse in and
Speaker 3: I don't make it, so I try again, and it's like,
Speaker 3: I don't want to watch people fail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're going to do it, execute quickly and
Speaker 1: correctly perfectly.
Speaker 4: Some people call it parking like a spy because you
Speaker 4: can make a quicker exit when you reverse it.
Speaker 1: This has played on my views. When people win like
Speaker 1: a big award or get like a huge job, they
Speaker 1: say that they're humbled by the Yeah, that's literally the
Speaker 1: exact opposite of what it is.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: No, your head growing as it should, good on you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're not humbling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're humbled when you lose.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you in exactly, thank you I've got a few,
Speaker 4: and I'm going to say my most controversial one, just
Speaker 4: like Stacey did for last first one. People who talk
Speaker 4: and exercise classes in an attempt to ingratiate themselves to
Speaker 4: the instrument Jesse.
Speaker 2: It is absolutely not. I can't talk, I can't breathe.
Speaker 4: Like, I want to save my thoughtful questions about how
Speaker 4: to engage my core until the end of the class,
Speaker 4: so that I am a rating everyone else's time, and
Speaker 4: then the instructor and I will become very good friends
Speaker 4: and go to coffees together. Yes, but do not waste
Speaker 4: my time during the class with your performative questions.
Speaker 1: Were just trying to get out of doing more reps,
Speaker 1: That's what it is.
Speaker 3: Well, but the irony is the rest of the class
Speaker 3: needs to do more for your question, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm holding I'm pulsing.
Speaker 4: Coffee shops where you can't add your own sugar or worse.
Speaker 4: One time I was in London, not known for its
Speaker 4: brilliant coffee, sorry listeners listening from the British Isles, and
Speaker 4: I went to a coffee shop in Clapham and asked
Speaker 4: for sugar, and they said they didn't have any sugar.
Speaker 4: In the cafe, and.
Speaker 1: That I called them police.
Speaker 4: Listen, I'm prepared to have Italian's man'splaying coffee. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: no a British barista mansplaining coffee to me was a problem.
Speaker 4: The phrase pick your brain. Oh, I don't want to.
Speaker 2: I hate it. I hate it, I completely.
Speaker 1: I want that.
Speaker 4: Wearing shoes inside the house. But I think that's just
Speaker 4: sort of a rule of nature. Really, it's not a
Speaker 4: controversial one. Sitting on the aisle on the bus like,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, is this your personal limousine? Like, move across.
Speaker 4: And sometimes I will simply make a point of asking
Speaker 4: them to move when there are plenty of other seats,
Speaker 4: because I want to affirm and confirm with them that
Speaker 4: this is public transportation.
Speaker 2: It's part of the social contract, exactly, It's.
Speaker 4: Part of the social contract. And don't put your bag
Speaker 4: on the seat. Your bag is not precious unless it's
Speaker 4: an Hermare's burken. I don't want it on the seat,
Speaker 4: in which case likely not the bus. Final one. This
Speaker 4: is really controversial. Umbrellas. I think they're antisocial.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, because.
Speaker 4: You're just always poking people, you suddenly lose all sense
Speaker 4: of personal space. You should be wearing a raincoat.
Speaker 1: Rank that's actually a great ada.
Speaker 3: You've blown my mind a bit because the other thing
Speaker 3: about umbrellas is that I often do use an umbrella,
Speaker 3: but what I find is that I come inside if
Speaker 3: they don't have a place to put it. I'm also
Speaker 3: just dripping wet umbrella water, which I feel like safety.
Speaker 4: Little plastic bag.
Speaker 2: Yes, but sometimes I don't have it and.
Speaker 4: It's probably choking turtles.
Speaker 2: Actually, that's actually so true, all right.
Speaker 3: I have a few additional ones that I wanted to
Speaker 3: add to unsolicited texts with deals on injectibles, like it's
Speaker 3: just a Tuesday and it's like, we have a great
Speaker 3: deal for you to just get so many injectibles, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, that's such.
Speaker 4: A good point. I feel like I'm never going to
Speaker 4: book a beauty treatment that I got texted about.
Speaker 3: No, No, I feel offended. One hundred percent of the time.
Speaker 1: I don't want my injectibles discount. Why have they on sale?
Speaker 3: When I tell someone I have a two year old
Speaker 3: and they don't gasp and ask how I'm old enough
Speaker 3: to have a child.
Speaker 2: Oh, every time I do it, I pause and.
Speaker 3: I'm like mate, and they just go on with things,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, wow, okay, that's actually really rude. When
Speaker 3: it appears that someone's wearing runners with no socks, I
Speaker 3: feel a bit sick because I just think about their shoe,
Speaker 3: like their force and the sweat, and I don't like
Speaker 3: it walking into someone's bathroom after they've had a shower
Speaker 3: and it's steamy. Yeah, it feels yuck, Like it feels
Speaker 3: like I'm too close to their naked, unclean buddy.
Speaker 4: And it also feels like the word moist is just
Speaker 4: hanging in the air.
Speaker 1: And actually, can I add that to the list of
Speaker 1: things we are defensive?
Speaker 2: That were And.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's mixed with someone's deodorant. I remember being in
Speaker 3: a hostel once and I was in somewhere in the
Speaker 3: US it's really humid and going into the communal bathroom
Speaker 3: and it was just steam and other people's deodorant, and
Speaker 3: I was like, I actually just yuck. And my last
Speaker 3: one is any physical evidence that a human being has
Speaker 3: consumed cereal?
Speaker 1: So what do you mean?
Speaker 3: I mean mush in the sink, Like if I got
Speaker 3: into the work kitchen and there was remnants of like
Speaker 3: corn flakes and milk stuck to a plate, Like I
Speaker 3: just think there's something about breakfast that irks me a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 4: The Outlouders sent through some really good ones. Should we
Speaker 4: just run through a few?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: My favorite was Natalie who wrote people that drive around
Speaker 4: with music blasting through their speakers that are attached to
Speaker 4: the outside of their cars. Yes, this happens in New Zealand. Natalie,
Speaker 4: it happens in Australia too.
Speaker 2: I hate it.
Speaker 3: Also, Adele, I completely agree with this one. Seeing people
Speaker 3: brushing their teeth even in movies and stuff. I don't
Speaker 3: like it, but any again, it's any evidence. It's like
Speaker 3: the glob of toothpaste.
Speaker 4: Anything to do with being reminded that people have bodies
Speaker 4: and require sustenance.
Speaker 2: I think all their mouths, I think. I just don't
Speaker 2: like human mouth.
Speaker 1: And some people are very aggressive with it. I yeh,
Speaker 1: that's what it is. And I loved Natalie's. This is
Speaker 1: one that I absolutely agree with. People that use their
Speaker 1: phones to text and still have the keyboard sound on
Speaker 1: so you can hear the thumbs and the driving.
Speaker 3: Us Barbara actually had This was my favorite because I
Speaker 3: thought it the other day. She had when people are
Speaker 3: walking along like on a footpath in a non designated
Speaker 3: area smoking The other day, I was genuinely offended by
Speaker 3: a man who was walking down I had Luna in
Speaker 3: the pram just like.
Speaker 1: Like, is that chu legal?
Speaker 3: I'm like, because all the second hand smoke was just
Speaker 3: like lofting. You know what, if you want to smoke,
Speaker 3: go for it. But the idea of doing it on
Speaker 3: a street like near a library where Luna was just going,
Speaker 3: I just went, that's very antisocial.
Speaker 4: Judith, I've got a bone to pick with you. Yours
Speaker 4: was pedestrians dawdling across the intersection when there is a
Speaker 4: long line of cars waiting for them. Pick up the pace. People, No,
Speaker 4: I disagree, Judith. As a pedestrian, I am the one
Speaker 4: who was not contributing to our carbon footprint. I am
Speaker 4: the one getting out into the fresh air. And no
Speaker 4: matter how long the line of cars is, I take
Speaker 4: my time when I'm walking.
Speaker 3: One of those is actually offended. And Judith, I'm with
Speaker 3: you on this. You're offended that it's not a light
Speaker 3: Like sometimes.
Speaker 2: I look at it and I go, we've got some
Speaker 2: city planning.
Speaker 4: Found some common ground for me and Judith.
Speaker 3: Yes, what you want is for it to be a
Speaker 3: light so that the traffic works, but it is a real,
Speaker 3: real issue around train stations.
Speaker 4: I just go and make it a lot. I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: I didn't think about that. That's true.
Speaker 2: More out loud as.
Speaker 3: We had so much fun with that subscriber episode. I
Speaker 3: just I have so many more. I have like a
Speaker 3: notes out that is just brimming with things that annoy me.
Speaker 3: If you're looking for something fun to listen to, you
Speaker 3: can find that subscriber episode in our show notes. After
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Speaker 4: If you are part of supet In and the Great
Speaker 4: lock In of twenty twenty five, this is how you're
Speaker 4: actually getting to Stephen sister.
Speaker 1: It is the Great lock In season, and not a
Speaker 1: lock in where you hide yourself from world, but where
Speaker 1: you lock in on yourself for the.
Speaker 4: Rest of the year.
Speaker 1: You guys are going to see all over your few
Speaker 1: page of people joining the lock In.
Speaker 2: Are we feeling inspired?
Speaker 1: What is a lock in?
Speaker 4: What are we talking about?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: So, according to the New York Times, we're entering the
Speaker 3: Great Locking Era. It is a term that has been
Speaker 3: popularized by social media users who are embarking on a challenge. Now,
Speaker 3: this challenge is similar to do we remember seventy five hard?
Speaker 2: Do you remember that?
Speaker 1: I didn't participate in it, but I remember it.
Speaker 2: I remember criticizing it from afar.
Speaker 4: Yes, what is seventy four?
Speaker 3: It was seventy five days and it's like a health
Speaker 3: and fitness challenge and it was like drink this much
Speaker 3: water and read eight pages of a book and do
Speaker 3: ten thousand steps and da da da dad, like it
Speaker 3: was a mad challenge all the Winter Arc which was
Speaker 3: last year's version of this, And it's a Northern Hemisphere
Speaker 3: trend where individuals commit to setting and achieving significant personal
Speaker 3: goals in the colder months in the lead up to
Speaker 3: sort of New Year, and it's meant to counteract the
Speaker 3: instinct to hibernate.
Speaker 1: It's dry July.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, Yeah, except you just tick off everything and
Speaker 3: you become a better version of yourself in colder.
Speaker 4: Australians are like, you're just going to try not to
Speaker 4: drink alcohol for a month. In the Northern Hemisphy, they're like,
Speaker 4: I'm going to write a book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in four months exactly. While we in Australia, obviously
Speaker 3: we're not entering the cooler months. It does feel like
Speaker 3: we are.
Speaker 2: Suddenly barreling towards the end of the year.
Speaker 3: We spoke about the term lock in a few months
Speaker 3: ago because it's a gen Z popularized sort of slang term,
Speaker 3: and it's about entering a state of deep focus and
Speaker 3: concentration aka putting your phone down for four minutes and being.
Speaker 2: Like I'm locked in, right.
Speaker 3: But the idea is that we are all going to
Speaker 3: hunker down for the rest of the year and do
Speaker 3: all the things that we said we set out to
Speaker 3: do in January when we were fundamentally different people. We're
Speaker 3: going to run that marathon, We're going to clean out
Speaker 3: the cupboard, we're going to get that promotion. We're going
Speaker 3: to increase our savings. Stacy, are you locking in?
Speaker 1: Can I lock out? Get me out? Leave me on
Speaker 1: the outside. I just feel like this is like New
Speaker 1: Year's Resolutions rebranded, except we have to do them every
Speaker 1: quarter and I'm just like I've failed already. We're you know,
Speaker 1: ten days into the month. I don't want to do it.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it, but.
Speaker 4: I have fundamentally resent having to think about the year
Speaker 4: in terms of quarters. I am an accountant.
Speaker 2: How about your goal, so, Stacy, have you simply achieved
Speaker 2: them all?
Speaker 1: I don't even remember what they were even from last week.
Speaker 1: But I feel like this is part of the success
Speaker 1: society that we're in now. Like I was reading this
Speaker 1: article in medium about that and how it's seen now
Speaker 1: as the holy grail of human existence. Like you have
Speaker 1: to be striving for the next thing, getting that promotion,
Speaker 1: Like you can't just be seen to be enjoying yourself
Speaker 1: eversting coasting, Did you lock in? Jesse?
Speaker 2: I love the idea of locking in.
Speaker 3: I just read this and I went, I need new stationary,
Speaker 3: Like I need a new notebook.
Speaker 1: People, what do you mean?
Speaker 4: Like one which has like a little pitchure of you
Speaker 4: at the top and it says from the desk of
Speaker 4: Jesse Steep.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's exactly what I mean. And maybe a personalized
Speaker 3: pen that costs a little bit too much money. Like
Speaker 3: I just feel like I was speaking to a business
Speaker 3: owner recently who was saying that in Australia, things wind
Speaker 3: down and they basically like switch off on Melbourne Cup Day.
Speaker 3: They're thinking January on Melburne Cup Day, which is November
Speaker 3: the four.
Speaker 4: No. But this is why this lockin idea is a
Speaker 4: fundamentally Northern Hemisphere concept, because we are on the verge
Speaker 4: of silly season. So I learned recently that silly season
Speaker 4: is apparently just an Australian and British invention. It's not
Speaker 4: discussed around the world. I had to explain to my
Speaker 4: American partner what a silly season was. Americans don't have
Speaker 4: a silly season. It's just always fundamentally low key silly there.
Speaker 4: And I know it's just about to happen here because
Speaker 4: I said to two friends of mine who are very busy,
Speaker 4: who I just had dinner with, can we see each
Speaker 4: other before Christmas? And then we realized it's already gotten
Speaker 4: to the point where it's like after Christmas.
Speaker 2: There are four months left.
Speaker 4: Maybe they just didn't want to see me again, but
Speaker 4: they said they were too busy.
Speaker 3: I think we have a third of a year left.
Speaker 3: I don't know why I'm doing the same because I'm like, guys,
Speaker 3: it's basically holidays like come on, the goals can't be achieved, Amelia.
Speaker 2: How about like are you going to run a marathon?
Speaker 2: Are you training for?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: You know that, Jesse. That's so funny that you asked
Speaker 4: me that. I am just trying to go to exercise
Speaker 4: classes and stay silent during them. That's just my goal here.
Speaker 1: But I feel like we're just trying to set up
Speaker 1: too many ways for ourselves to fail. Like everything feels
Speaker 1: like it's very achievement in milestone based now, Like even
Speaker 1: with parenting now, don't you feel like, at least like
Speaker 1: having little kids, everything is about leaps and milestones. And
Speaker 1: I don't think our parents' generation would have had a clue,
Speaker 1: like when we were meant to roll over, Well, it's
Speaker 1: about enrichment.
Speaker 4: Also, you nailed it before, Jesse. I can say this
Speaker 4: because m Venom's not here right now.
Speaker 1: Jen Z.
Speaker 4: It has to stop coming up with phrases mean not
Speaker 4: looking at TikTok, and the.
Speaker 3: Irony is they keep coming up with those phrases and
Speaker 3: sharing them on TikTok.
Speaker 4: She's going to come at me because this is what
Speaker 4: you have to do.
Speaker 3: Participants in the lock In, Locked In, Great lock In,
Speaker 3: whatever they call it challenge are encouraged to share their
Speaker 3: personal pledges online and to upload daily progress updates to
Speaker 3: hold themselves accountable. And it's like, you would get more
Speaker 3: done if you're creating less content.
Speaker 4: Is like the general, the general, stop talking about locking down.
Speaker 4: Maybe you could get your.
Speaker 3: Goals exactly before we go, Stacy, you are bursting with
Speaker 3: a midweek reco That's not it's blasphe for me, But.
Speaker 1: Do you find that offensive?
Speaker 3: You're fucked with the format? Please take the floor, Stacy.
Speaker 1: Okay, are you both Team Conrad or Team Jeremiah?
Speaker 2: Is this a reality show?
Speaker 1: No, it's not.
Speaker 4: I don't know what that is?
Speaker 1: Okay, good. So, depending on where the listeners sit, can
Speaker 1: either hear them screaming at their phone right now telling
Speaker 1: me that they are Team Conrad, which is the correct answer, FYI,
Speaker 1: or they're like you two and look very confused.
Speaker 4: Is this Twilight?
Speaker 1: No, it's kind of the new iteration of Twilight. Yes.
Speaker 1: So what I'm talking about is the show called the
Speaker 1: Summer I turned pretty okay.
Speaker 3: I keep seeing the abbreviation of this, which is like six, like,
Speaker 3: what are we It's like to.
Speaker 2: Submer it and I'm going, what are we talking about?
Speaker 1: You? Yes, so this show is like a teen drama. Like,
Speaker 1: make no mistake, I'm not meant to be watching it.
Speaker 1: But all millennial women at the moment that I seem
Speaker 1: to have conversations with are saying to me, are you
Speaker 1: watching the Summer I Turn pretty? I'm catching up on
Speaker 1: the Summer I turn pretty. It has hit fever pitch.
Speaker 2: Because I thought this wasn't a new show. I thought
Speaker 2: people were talking about this a few years ago.
Speaker 1: No, so it's in the third season now. The finale
Speaker 1: is next week. But I want you to hear it.
Speaker 1: I want you to hear what this show sounds like,
Speaker 1: just to get the vibe.
Speaker 5: My family spends every summer in Cousins Beach with my
Speaker 5: mom's best friend and her two sons and Jeremiah. They've
Speaker 5: always seen me as a little kid, but this summer,
Speaker 5: so you go later, it's different. Damn you work hot,
Speaker 5: Stop flirting with my sister.
Speaker 1: Do you want to be with him? Be with you
Speaker 1: is all I've ever worn it. Okay, it's great, be
Speaker 1: with me.
Speaker 3: Then I watched an episode of this a few years ago.
Speaker 3: I remember they go to a beach. She's like and
Speaker 3: everyone's like, Wow, you've turned into a woman.
Speaker 1: I'm like, eh, it's like that classic you took your
Speaker 1: glasses off and suddenly you're hot. Yeah, but she turned sixteen.
Speaker 1: They go to Cousins Beach in the Hamptons in this story,
Speaker 1: and her family holidays every year with the Fisher family.
Speaker 1: So this Conrad and Jeremiah are the brothers who are
Speaker 1: around her age as well as her own brother. So
Speaker 1: the main character is Isabelle Conklin. So they nickname her Belly
Speaker 1: for some strange reason unclear. That's the nickname of this girl,
Speaker 1: and both the boys fall for her and drama and shoes.
Speaker 4: So this is like the handreds are so fancy? Is
Speaker 4: that like rich people? Drama? Like is that the vibe?
Speaker 1: So the Fisher family is rich, but Belly's family is not.
Speaker 1: They are just friends of this family, so like swept
Speaker 1: into this world every summer and spend all of this
Speaker 1: time with them. And look, the dialogue's not great, the
Speaker 1: plot pretty unbelievable. The two brothers would just go so
Speaker 1: hard over one one family friend a bit weir, but
Speaker 1: you won't care because it's like a version of the
Speaker 1: OC Like did you watch the Okay, it gives you
Speaker 1: that like heartsick, like excited feeling team, I've.
Speaker 4: Got an older reference. Is it like Dawson's Creek?
Speaker 1: Exactly? That was the other one I was going to reference.
Speaker 1: Is Dawson's Creek. It is exactly like that. Like it's corny,
Speaker 1: you won't care, You'll love it.
Speaker 2: Is it on Netflix?
Speaker 1: No on Amazon Prime, Amazon Prime And across the city,
Speaker 1: across Sydney, multiple pubs are shutting down on Wednesday nights
Speaker 1: to hold these viewing parties. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Dropping once a week at the moment, yeah, once a week.
Speaker 4: That's why I was really escapist and lovely. Maybe what
Speaker 4: I'll lock in on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should lock in on binging this by next
Speaker 1: Wednesday so you can watch the finale.
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