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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Muma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Welcome to Mumma out Loud.

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Speaker 3: What women are actually talking about on Wednesday, the tenth

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Speaker 3: of September.

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Speaker 2: I am Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 1: I am Amelia Lester, and I am Stacy Hicks.

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Speaker 2: Feeling in for Holly and Holly is off today.

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Speaker 3: Stacy, you busted the door down because you it's not customary,

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Speaker 3: but you say.

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Speaker 2: You have a midweek recommendation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just breaking the rules. I busted in. I've

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Speaker 1: got one. It's good. I promise, I promise it's good.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're going to save it till the end of

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Speaker 3: the show. Here is what is on our agenda for today.

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Speaker 1: There's been an update to the infamous Coldplay concert affair

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Speaker 1: and it will change the way you view relationships.

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Speaker 4: There are two new species of men that we need

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Speaker 4: to be looking out for in the wild.

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Speaker 3: And the great lock in. Why all your goals suddenly

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Speaker 3: feel urgent? And self optimization is very much on the agenda.

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Speaker 4: But first, in case you missed it, a new season

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Speaker 4: of Succession Disdrupped.

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Speaker 1: Give it to Me please just kidding.

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Speaker 4: What actually happened was the Murdoch family, on whom the

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Speaker 4: TV show Succession is based, have finally figured out how

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Speaker 4: to divide up ninety four year old Rupert Murdoch's billions.

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Speaker 1: I know you were worried for them.

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Speaker 2: It's so stressful.

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Speaker 4: What actually happened was apparently they hadn't even thought about

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Speaker 4: this until they started watching Succession, and then they looked

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Speaker 4: at each other and said, hang on, we've got to

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Speaker 4: figure out what to do with these billions because Rupert

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Speaker 4: will probably slip his mortal coil soon. So this cued

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Speaker 4: many years of infighting, many many years. They ended up

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Speaker 4: in a court room in Nevada, which is in the

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Speaker 4: middle of the desert. Apparently there's a state laws that

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Speaker 4: are a bit more flexible than in other states, and

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Speaker 4: they all started fighting each other and they figured out

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Speaker 4: what to do. Let me explain how they figured it out.

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Speaker 4: There are four older children from Rupert Murdoch's first two marriages,

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Speaker 4: Kendall Connor, Ship.

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Speaker 1: And the one who gets nothing.

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Speaker 4: There are two from his marriage to Wendy Dang. We

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Speaker 4: can set those two aside. They just want the money.

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Speaker 4: They're not interested in the power so we don't have

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Speaker 4: to worry about them. We're just talking about the four

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Speaker 4: older kids from the two first marriages. The problem is

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Speaker 4: they don't agree politically. Lachlan Murdock, who was Rupert's favorite,

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Speaker 4: he's all in on Fox News, which is how Rupert

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Speaker 4: has made a lot of his money. He loves the

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Speaker 4: fact that Fox News pushed Donald Trump into the presidency.

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Speaker 4: He's a big conservative. Some people say he's even more

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Speaker 4: right wing than Rupert, and he wanted to go full

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Speaker 4: steam ahead with Fox News. The other three older siblings

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Speaker 4: not fans of the conservative news empire, and they wanted

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Speaker 4: to change it. So there were many, many years of

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Speaker 4: in fighting. But it turns out that those three older

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Speaker 4: siblings have been reassured with the offer of one point

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Speaker 4: seven billion dollars to walk away and never interfere with

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Speaker 4: Fox News again.

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Speaker 2: That's fine, got to do it, Yes, I mean, I'm

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Lachlan takes over Fox News when Rupert dies and

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Speaker 4: goes full steam ahead on the conservative bent of Fox News,

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Speaker 3: Okay, so this is my theory because interesting timing is

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Speaker 3: what I'll say. On Friday, Stacy, did you listen to

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, it's an episode you would know that we

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Speaker 3: talked about the Google doc that everyone needs to fill

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Speaker 3: And so he went through he put in his Facebook password,

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Speaker 3: with his mail, and then he just wrote Lachlan.

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Speaker 2: He just said, Lachlin, and I'm all in on.

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Speaker 4: But I don't think that they're going to be talking

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Speaker 4: how Rupert was really mean to him all through this

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Speaker 4: Rupert's lawyers in a deposition said things to him like

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Speaker 4: have you ever done anything successful on your own? And

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Speaker 4: also why were you too busy to say Happy Birthday

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Speaker 4: So James was very upset about all of that, and

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Speaker 4: I think it's safe to say that Lachlin and James

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Speaker 3: And is important to my millennial reference point is that

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Speaker 3: Lachlan is of course married to Sarah Murdoch, form the

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Speaker 3: host of Australia's Next Top Models, and that's what matters.

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Speaker 1: That's what matters. Yeah, okay, So we always talk about

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Speaker 1: to gain mass attention. But nothing quite united the world

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Speaker 1: quite like the Coldplay concert chating scandal. Like you would

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Speaker 1: of the company astronomer before the CEO, Andy Byron, was

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Speaker 1: called canoodling on the kiss can That's the only way

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Speaker 1: But there's been an update to the story now that

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Speaker 1: Now we don't know if the same is the case

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Speaker 2: It changes everything.

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Speaker 3: And I feel like at the time we were saying,

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Speaker 3: We don't know if they're still together. It was two

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Speaker 3: the virality and the intensity of that moment has passed.

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Speaker 3: So the narrative, it was never about the facts or

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Speaker 3: It was about a narrative that was corporate dishonesty. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, this just makes me think about an adage

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Speaker 4: that my mom has always passed along to me, which is,

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Speaker 4: you don't know what is happening in someone else's marriage,

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Speaker 4: how they act on social media. And don't you think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. The people who are always loudest about their

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Speaker 1: relationships are always the ones that you end up suddenly

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Speaker 1: Even Jennifer Lopez j LO as I as I know

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Speaker 1: her was gushing about how she'd never felt more beautiful

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Speaker 1: I feel like you're protesting too much, You trying to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fast on, fast off, Yeah, I always worry about that,

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Speaker 2: We spoke I remember maybe a few months.

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Speaker 3: Ago about vow renewals, because remember Brooklyn Beckham and Nicola

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Speaker 3: Yes, And the loudness of it I think makes people

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Speaker 1: And yeah, what are you trying to prove? What are

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Speaker 2: What's behind it?

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Speaker 3: But then I was talking to some friends last night

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Speaker 3: and have you seen the images from that of our

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Speaker 3: renewal with yes, so pictures of it's not just of

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Speaker 3: our renewal, Like she's in a wedding dress, Nicola pel Oh, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: like and she's looking stunning.

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Speaker 2: And we were saying, she's changed her.

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Speaker 3: Hair, right, So she was blonde the first time she

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Speaker 2: She's looking great, And that's key.

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Speaker 3: It's key because it feels like when Mea gets a haircut.

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Speaker 3: People might not know this, but every time Maya gets

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Speaker 2: We have to make a new art.

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Speaker 3: Were like, we can't just design our lives around you

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Speaker 3: So I think that sometimes with marriages and with weddings,

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Speaker 3: I need images to reflect who I am now, and

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Speaker 3: we'll all say how we look back at our pictures

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Speaker 3: and go, well, I wouldn't mind redoing a bit of

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Speaker 1: My wedding day was called Stormageddon in the papers the

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Speaker 3: But you wake up and you still have your face,

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Speaker 4: I'm just wondering to bring it back to the Coldplay

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Speaker 2: Because they were time.

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Speaker 4: That was their crime. They looked guilty rather than embracing

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Speaker 4: I think I know someone.

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Speaker 1: I think that.

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Speaker 3: We work as the one in three because anyone else

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Speaker 1: I'm also married to my former co.

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Speaker 2: Work in three. You're the odd one out of me.

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Speaker 4: I cannot imagine doing it, but God bless you well.

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Speaker 3: It says that what you should have is like a

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Speaker 4: Can I can I ask a little bit of an

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Speaker 1: We did, and we then had the conversation over well,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to go in. You go in, you go,

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Speaker 1: let him know. So that's what we did. It's so awkward.

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Speaker 4: It was very.

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Speaker 1: Awkward, and when the person had all gone south very quickly,

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Speaker 1: you decide? It was kind of like maybe a month

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Speaker 4: Like brushed at each other.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I guess so. So it was

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Speaker 3: A hook up and then be like, oh, I'm declaring

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Speaker 1: And then you're sitting together in an editorial meeting kitchen stories. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it's a very delicate space. But even other people

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Speaker 1: even part of this story. Yeah, and this is another

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Speaker 1: thing that has flown under the radar. It got corrected

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Speaker 4: She was not.

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Speaker 1: Involved in any way in the story. But that is

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Speaker 1: now something that people believe about that company. So it's

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Speaker 1: funny how these things will just move along now is

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Speaker 3: Also she resigned right yeah, and I'm looking back at it,

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 3: I know that reputationally they can go. It caused maybe

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Speaker 3: They got Gwyneth Paltrow in an ad, but I don't

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Speaker 4: I think when you're head of h R, it's a

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Speaker 4: I think the biggest problem with it was maybe the

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Speaker 4: You know, the northern summer has been punctuated with Oasis concerts,

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Speaker 4: and they're coming here soon, I think that's very on

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Speaker 4: to me, coldplay is kind of like the porridge of

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Speaker 4: not where you should be having affairs. I say, next

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Speaker 4: He's carrying a matcher. He might have a paperback book

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Speaker 4: Jacob ALORDI is it him? He might have a laboo

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I see such creatures on the train.

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Speaker 4: Yes, this is a creature that we can now name.

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Speaker 4: This man has been identified. He is known as the

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Speaker 4: He's not just in touch with his emotions. He is

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Speaker 4: a great piece for The Sight kind of summing him up.

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Speaker 4: So Katie talks about you know, none of these behaviors

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Speaker 4: And I'm kind of one How unique is this new

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Speaker 3: Why because it's the male equivalent of the pick me girl.

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Speaker 3: And I shudder when I hear the term pic me girl.

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Speaker 4: Can you just describe quickly what a pickme goal is,

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Speaker 4: because I've never really understood that.

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Speaker 3: So often it's used to talk about a young woman

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Speaker 3: me about it is that, like, the male gaze is

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Speaker 3: I hear women use it against other women all the time,

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Speaker 4: So you think it's a bit mean, I think.

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Speaker 3: And as you say, Amelia, none of those qualities, like

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Speaker 2: Like all of those things.

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Speaker 3: At what point are we actually just punishing men for

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Speaker 1: But I think the difference with this and how it

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Speaker 3: Should we want men to try and like play with

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Speaker 3: Just sit there with your book and maybe they'll enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: But it's if they actually read it, Jesse's when it's

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Speaker 3: but they're pandering to it.

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Speaker 2: Great, we could do with a bit more of that.

438
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Speaker 4: No bit, Jesse, This is justin Baldoni. You're saying how

439
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Speaker 4: great this is that they're pandering to the female gaze.

440
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Speaker 4: But have you ever spoken to a man who talks

441
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Speaker 4: about how he's a feminist every second sentence? It's very annoying?

442
00:20:51,742 --> 00:20:54,902
Speaker 3: Yes, But have you ever spoken to a woman who, like,

443
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Speaker 3: I know a lot of women who talk about feminism

444
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Speaker 3: and social justice issues and all of that, and they're assholes?

445
00:20:59,982 --> 00:21:03,262
Speaker 3: You know, like, sometimes people are just assholes. I keep

446
00:21:03,262 --> 00:21:05,861
Speaker 3: seeing these new terms, even like himbo is the other

447
00:21:05,901 --> 00:21:06,422
Speaker 3: one that's.

448
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Speaker 4: Going No, no, let me tell you about the other

449
00:21:07,702 --> 00:21:10,421
Speaker 4: way please, just could be an interesting in contrast, So

450
00:21:10,821 --> 00:21:14,061
Speaker 4: we've got the performative males, which unsurprisingly have been a

451
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Speaker 4: species explored by, among other publications, The Guardian Lads come

452
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Speaker 4: in with its hot take on Travis Kelsey, who I

453
00:21:21,502 --> 00:21:25,461
Speaker 4: thought was pretty universally I thought he was nice.

454
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

455
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Speaker 4: No, apparently he's not just a himbo, he's a who

456
00:21:30,141 --> 00:21:32,542
Speaker 4: me man? And that's a problem. Let me explain the

457
00:21:32,581 --> 00:21:37,101
Speaker 4: who me man? So this is the guy who comes

458
00:21:37,141 --> 00:21:40,821
Speaker 4: across as done but lovely but is actually full of

459
00:21:40,901 --> 00:21:45,181
Speaker 4: strategy and calculations. They refuse to talk about politics, but

460
00:21:45,222 --> 00:21:47,901
Speaker 4: that's only because they've decided that being a political works

461
00:21:47,942 --> 00:21:50,022
Speaker 4: for them. So Travis. That's why Travis is kind of

462
00:21:50,061 --> 00:21:52,981
Speaker 4: the patron saint of this crowd, because think about the

463
00:21:53,022 --> 00:21:56,181
Speaker 4: fact that Donald Trump says on social media that he

464
00:21:56,222 --> 00:21:59,941
Speaker 4: hates Taylor Swift. Shortly afterwards, Travis Kelsey has asked if

465
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Speaker 4: he will ever go to the White House if he

466
00:22:01,742 --> 00:22:05,221
Speaker 4: wins a big football game, and Travis says, yeah, why not,

467
00:22:05,422 --> 00:22:08,141
Speaker 4: It'll be an honor. And that's the problem with the

468
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Speaker 4: who me man. It's a lot of why not, Oh,

469
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Speaker 4: I don't really have views on politics. Oh I don't

470
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Speaker 4: do politics. And there's lots of other examples of this

471
00:22:16,222 --> 00:22:19,262
Speaker 4: kind of man in popular culture. Think about like Glenn Powell.

472
00:22:19,661 --> 00:22:21,861
Speaker 4: People thought he was having an affair with Sidney Sweeney

473
00:22:21,901 --> 00:22:25,502
Speaker 4: when they did a forgettable movie together and she got

474
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Speaker 4: all the heat for it, but he just sort of

475
00:22:27,341 --> 00:22:29,821
Speaker 4: sat in the corner looking Hanson with his square jaw,

476
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Speaker 4: not weighing in, or even Jason Momoa. I didn't really

477
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Speaker 4: know about this, but the Slate article tells me that

478
00:22:35,141 --> 00:22:37,941
Speaker 4: I thought he was a lovable lunk, But no, apparently

479
00:22:38,061 --> 00:22:40,701
Speaker 4: there's allegations he's been drinking a lot on set and

480
00:22:40,742 --> 00:22:44,622
Speaker 4: getting really unpleasant. So that's the Homi man. But then

481
00:22:44,661 --> 00:22:47,621
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, how do men win? Because we're told that

482
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Speaker 4: they talk too much about feminism, they're a performative male,

483
00:22:51,262 --> 00:22:53,581
Speaker 4: they don't talk about feminism enough. They are wo me.

484
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Speaker 4: And then you just got the in cells in the middle.

485
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Speaker 4: So is there a right way to be a man

486
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Speaker 4: these days?

487
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Speaker 2: And do we force them into the end? Like I

488
00:23:01,381 --> 00:23:03,581
Speaker 2: don't want to patronize men? And I think that it's

489
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Speaker 2: like the idea.

490
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Speaker 3: I was listening to someone speak recently who was talking

491
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Speaker 3: about how we all go, how.

492
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Speaker 2: Do you be a good man? What a feature of

493
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Speaker 2: a good man? Like that the first problem?

494
00:23:15,821 --> 00:23:18,181
Speaker 4: By the way, talking about how to be a good man? Yes,

495
00:23:18,262 --> 00:23:19,982
Speaker 4: And it's like nails on a chalk water.

496
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Speaker 3: Yes, And she just went, can we just talk about

497
00:23:21,821 --> 00:23:24,262
Speaker 3: being a good person? Like they're the same criteria, the

498
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Speaker 3: same qualities. There's a tone of contempt that I think

499
00:23:28,982 --> 00:23:31,782
Speaker 3: underlies a lot of these Internet conversations, and I found

500
00:23:31,861 --> 00:23:35,261
Speaker 3: it in abundance in that Slate article that was like

501
00:23:36,262 --> 00:23:40,022
Speaker 3: men can tell when people are being sort of needlessly

502
00:23:40,462 --> 00:23:42,341
Speaker 3: cruel about them even there was a line in the

503
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Speaker 3: Slate article that said football is by its very nature

504
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Speaker 3: and inherently American sport and therefore inherently political. It's unavoidable

505
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Speaker 3: for a white man in professional football to be non partisan,

506
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Speaker 3: and I was like, I can see how that becomes exhausting.

507
00:23:57,302 --> 00:24:00,262
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this to get back to the performative man,

508
00:24:00,462 --> 00:24:02,901
Speaker 1: this is about them pretending to be a feminist, not

509
00:24:02,942 --> 00:24:05,462
Speaker 1: actually being one, and that's why people have such strong

510
00:24:05,502 --> 00:24:08,302
Speaker 1: feelings about it. So I wanted to make sure that

511
00:24:08,381 --> 00:24:11,101
Speaker 1: the audience know how to spot this man in the world.

512
00:24:11,341 --> 00:24:13,022
Speaker 2: Give me more exams, Okay, So I.

513
00:24:13,022 --> 00:24:15,621
Speaker 1: Polled our Mamma Mia team, who had a lot of

514
00:24:15,621 --> 00:24:18,981
Speaker 1: strong feelings. I got flooded, quite frankly, with the things

515
00:24:19,061 --> 00:24:21,542
Speaker 1: that make you a performative man. So there's ones that

516
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Speaker 1: we've kind of talked about, like proudly having the tampons

517
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Speaker 1: in the console of the car to kind of show

518
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Speaker 1: their they're an ally to the women. I think that's helpful.

519
00:24:31,022 --> 00:24:33,861
Speaker 1: They carry the canvas hope we know that one. They

520
00:24:33,942 --> 00:24:36,342
Speaker 1: usually own a shirt that says the future is female,

521
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Speaker 1: but don't ask you any questions.

522
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Speaker 4: On a date.

523
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Speaker 1: This is why they're getting annoyed, which is fair enough.

524
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Speaker 1: They have a lot of these feminist books you speak of,

525
00:24:44,901 --> 00:24:47,142
Speaker 1: you know, like The Bell Jar by Sylvia Plath. They've

526
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Speaker 1: got that on their bookshelf. But if you look closely,

527
00:24:49,661 --> 00:24:53,022
Speaker 1: the spine is not crat it's there for display. It's

528
00:24:53,061 --> 00:24:55,861
Speaker 1: not there to be read or betty. Yet they're reading

529
00:24:55,901 --> 00:24:59,102
Speaker 1: them in public, but they're making sure they're angled up

530
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Speaker 1: so everyone can see what they're reading in public.

531
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Speaker 2: Stacy, have you ever done that? Maybe a little bit?

532
00:25:05,542 --> 00:25:09,422
Speaker 3: Have we ma just a book to have in our

533
00:25:09,861 --> 00:25:13,101
Speaker 3: bag for those moments when other people will see our cover.

534
00:25:13,182 --> 00:25:14,981
Speaker 1: That's the problem with the ca Have I allowed the

535
00:25:14,982 --> 00:25:17,501
Speaker 1: corner of my book into an esthetic photo of my

536
00:25:17,542 --> 00:25:18,222
Speaker 1: feet on the beach?

537
00:25:18,462 --> 00:25:18,702
Speaker 4: Mate?

538
00:25:18,742 --> 00:25:19,061
Speaker 1: Yes?

539
00:25:19,182 --> 00:25:19,382
Speaker 4: Yes?

540
00:25:19,422 --> 00:25:23,901
Speaker 1: Have you amazed? Am I a performative man?

541
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Speaker 3: I think, Amelia Stacy. We did a subscriber episode recently

542
00:25:30,341 --> 00:25:32,422
Speaker 3: that was a lot of fun and it has inspired

543
00:25:32,462 --> 00:25:35,462
Speaker 3: a lot of input from the out loudest. We came

544
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Speaker 3: across a substack newsletter by a writer called rich Childless Godmother.

545
00:25:40,702 --> 00:25:43,341
Speaker 3: That's an unusual name, it is it is, which was

546
00:25:43,462 --> 00:25:46,621
Speaker 3: just a list of low steaks, silly things that she

547
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Speaker 3: deemed offensive. For example, she said arriving exactly on time

548
00:25:51,502 --> 00:25:53,462
Speaker 3: for anything is incredibly offensive.

549
00:25:53,581 --> 00:25:56,341
Speaker 1: No, that one's incredible. Do that every day of my life,

550
00:25:56,782 --> 00:25:58,502
Speaker 1: food five minutes earlier.

551
00:25:58,182 --> 00:26:03,302
Speaker 3: Late, food intolerances as opposed to allergies. She's like, nah,

552
00:26:03,381 --> 00:26:07,061
Speaker 3: I find that offensive. And look, we decided to add

553
00:26:07,101 --> 00:26:09,861
Speaker 3: our own and in this episode we talked about island

554
00:26:09,861 --> 00:26:11,861
Speaker 3: disc goes incredibly offensive.

555
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Speaker 1: I'm going to one next month, I think, Stacey, I'll

556
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Speaker 1: see myself.

557
00:26:18,621 --> 00:26:21,381
Speaker 3: Out fruit salads that are eighty percent melon. Oh yeah,

558
00:26:21,542 --> 00:26:25,462
Speaker 3: I think everyone agrees. That's just highly offensive. When you

559
00:26:25,621 --> 00:26:28,182
Speaker 3: order a sandwich it's not cut in half. And one

560
00:26:28,222 --> 00:26:30,302
Speaker 3: of mine was when I'm eating a muffin and I

561
00:26:30,381 --> 00:26:33,142
Speaker 3: believe that brown thing to be chocolate and it ends up.

562
00:26:33,101 --> 00:26:35,101
Speaker 1: Being a raising Oh yeah, jale.

563
00:26:35,462 --> 00:26:36,542
Speaker 2: So offensive, just.

564
00:26:36,502 --> 00:26:39,981
Speaker 3: A day ruiner, right. I wanted your contributions to things

565
00:26:40,022 --> 00:26:42,742
Speaker 3: that you deem offensive, please, Stacy.

566
00:26:42,782 --> 00:26:45,902
Speaker 1: I have so many loose leaf tea I drink five

567
00:26:45,901 --> 00:26:48,101
Speaker 1: cups a day. I don't want the admin. What are

568
00:26:48,141 --> 00:26:48,542
Speaker 1: you doing?

569
00:26:48,782 --> 00:26:50,941
Speaker 3: I don't even know how you're meant to use it, Like,

570
00:26:51,101 --> 00:26:52,462
Speaker 3: is it just bruins something.

571
00:26:52,262 --> 00:26:53,581
Speaker 1: You've got to put it in a little.

572
00:26:53,742 --> 00:26:56,862
Speaker 4: It's meant to be a point of meditation and contemplation

573
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Speaker 4: in your days.

574
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Speaker 1: I don't like it, especially at a cafe. I'm paying

575
00:27:00,462 --> 00:27:01,982
Speaker 1: you to give me admin.

576
00:27:02,262 --> 00:27:04,621
Speaker 4: Now I have to find always ends up tasting bitter

577
00:27:04,621 --> 00:27:06,302
Speaker 4: because two yeah.

578
00:27:06,222 --> 00:27:08,941
Speaker 3: And you get like eleven different pieces of contraption and

579
00:27:08,982 --> 00:27:11,222
Speaker 3: you're like, I look like an engineer.

580
00:27:10,821 --> 00:27:12,982
Speaker 1: And then always one bit ends up in your mouth.

581
00:27:13,581 --> 00:27:16,542
Speaker 1: There's always a strike, got it? And I also don't like,

582
00:27:16,542 --> 00:27:19,381
Speaker 1: speaking of cafes, the big shared tables in the middle

583
00:27:19,462 --> 00:27:22,141
Speaker 1: where you get seated right next to a stranger. Don't

584
00:27:22,182 --> 00:27:24,461
Speaker 1: like that either. Oh that's so fair. It annoys me.

585
00:27:24,982 --> 00:27:26,982
Speaker 1: Can tuna just that it exists?

586
00:27:27,462 --> 00:27:29,222
Speaker 2: How else does one consume tuna?

587
00:27:29,302 --> 00:27:32,742
Speaker 1: I just the smell? I can't. But that's also because

588
00:27:32,782 --> 00:27:34,662
Speaker 1: I sat next to a person on a plane who

589
00:27:34,821 --> 00:27:36,702
Speaker 1: ate it on a plane, and I think it's more

590
00:27:36,742 --> 00:27:42,542
Speaker 1: that they were personally offensive to me, and my most

591
00:27:42,581 --> 00:27:45,222
Speaker 1: controversial one, I dared bring it up before I came in.

592
00:27:45,581 --> 00:27:49,101
Speaker 1: I don't like people reverse parking. Wait, that's more safe

593
00:27:49,141 --> 00:27:52,302
Speaker 1: and responsible. Just drive into the spot. I don't have

594
00:27:52,341 --> 00:27:53,782
Speaker 1: time for you to refresh.

595
00:27:53,502 --> 00:27:58,021
Speaker 4: Okay, Stacey. So I'm a famously bad driver and I

596
00:27:58,101 --> 00:28:00,502
Speaker 4: need to step up on my soapbox. Here I recently

597
00:28:00,542 --> 00:28:02,382
Speaker 4: took some refresher driving last year.

598
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Speaker 1: You can do that.

599
00:28:03,022 --> 00:28:06,222
Speaker 4: Wow, it doesn't work very well. I could certainly try it,

600
00:28:06,861 --> 00:28:10,462
Speaker 4: and they told me that you have to reverse in

601
00:28:10,581 --> 00:28:13,742
Speaker 4: because it's something about the wheels and you'll get into

602
00:28:13,782 --> 00:28:16,262
Speaker 4: an accident. And if you don't, that's what people told me.

603
00:28:16,341 --> 00:28:18,302
Speaker 1: But I just don't. I don't want to wait for

604
00:28:18,341 --> 00:28:19,302
Speaker 1: you to reverse in.

605
00:28:19,502 --> 00:28:20,101
Speaker 2: You know what it is.

606
00:28:20,141 --> 00:28:23,461
Speaker 3: It's embarrassing to watch someone do it and you just

607
00:28:23,502 --> 00:28:25,741
Speaker 3: feel cringe. And then I try and reverse in and

608
00:28:25,782 --> 00:28:27,621
Speaker 3: I don't make it, so I try again, and it's like,

609
00:28:27,621 --> 00:28:28,821
Speaker 3: I don't want to watch people fail.

610
00:28:28,982 --> 00:28:31,861
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're going to do it, execute quickly and

611
00:28:31,901 --> 00:28:32,982
Speaker 1: correctly perfectly.

612
00:28:33,061 --> 00:28:35,661
Speaker 4: Some people call it parking like a spy because you

613
00:28:35,661 --> 00:28:37,702
Speaker 4: can make a quicker exit when you reverse it.

614
00:28:38,702 --> 00:28:41,181
Speaker 1: This has played on my views. When people win like

615
00:28:41,222 --> 00:28:45,142
Speaker 1: a big award or get like a huge job, they

616
00:28:45,182 --> 00:28:48,822
Speaker 1: say that they're humbled by the Yeah, that's literally the

617
00:28:48,862 --> 00:28:50,342
Speaker 1: exact opposite of what it is.

618
00:28:50,542 --> 00:28:51,701
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense.

619
00:28:51,742 --> 00:28:54,982
Speaker 1: No, your head growing as it should, good on you. Yeah,

620
00:28:54,982 --> 00:28:55,862
Speaker 1: but you're not humbling.

621
00:28:56,742 --> 00:28:58,302
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're humbled when you lose.

622
00:28:58,422 --> 00:29:01,782
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you in exactly, thank you I've got a few,

623
00:29:01,822 --> 00:29:03,981
Speaker 4: and I'm going to say my most controversial one, just

624
00:29:03,982 --> 00:29:06,782
Speaker 4: like Stacey did for last first one. People who talk

625
00:29:06,782 --> 00:29:09,701
Speaker 4: and exercise classes in an attempt to ingratiate themselves to

626
00:29:09,702 --> 00:29:11,622
Speaker 4: the instrument Jesse.

627
00:29:12,462 --> 00:29:16,462
Speaker 2: It is absolutely not. I can't talk, I can't breathe.

628
00:29:16,022 --> 00:29:18,781
Speaker 4: Like, I want to save my thoughtful questions about how

629
00:29:18,782 --> 00:29:21,062
Speaker 4: to engage my core until the end of the class,

630
00:29:21,102 --> 00:29:23,102
Speaker 4: so that I am a rating everyone else's time, and

631
00:29:23,142 --> 00:29:25,502
Speaker 4: then the instructor and I will become very good friends

632
00:29:25,502 --> 00:29:28,542
Speaker 4: and go to coffees together. Yes, but do not waste

633
00:29:28,622 --> 00:29:31,822
Speaker 4: my time during the class with your performative questions.

634
00:29:32,222 --> 00:29:34,062
Speaker 1: Were just trying to get out of doing more reps,

635
00:29:34,062 --> 00:29:34,701
Speaker 1: That's what it is.

636
00:29:35,022 --> 00:29:36,742
Speaker 3: Well, but the irony is the rest of the class

637
00:29:36,742 --> 00:29:40,421
Speaker 3: needs to do more for your question, and I'm like,

638
00:29:40,422 --> 00:29:43,702
Speaker 3: I'm holding I'm pulsing.

639
00:29:44,462 --> 00:29:48,102
Speaker 4: Coffee shops where you can't add your own sugar or worse.

640
00:29:48,382 --> 00:29:51,622
Speaker 4: One time I was in London, not known for its

641
00:29:51,661 --> 00:29:56,022
Speaker 4: brilliant coffee, sorry listeners listening from the British Isles, and

642
00:29:56,102 --> 00:29:58,902
Speaker 4: I went to a coffee shop in Clapham and asked

643
00:29:58,902 --> 00:30:01,582
Speaker 4: for sugar, and they said they didn't have any sugar.

644
00:30:01,622 --> 00:30:03,382
Speaker 4: In the cafe, and.

645
00:30:03,302 --> 00:30:04,542
Speaker 1: That I called them police.

646
00:30:04,582 --> 00:30:08,622
Speaker 4: Listen, I'm prepared to have Italian's man'splaying coffee. Yeah, but

647
00:30:09,702 --> 00:30:13,021
Speaker 4: no a British barista mansplaining coffee to me was a problem.

648
00:30:13,822 --> 00:30:17,981
Speaker 4: The phrase pick your brain. Oh, I don't want to.

649
00:30:18,262 --> 00:30:20,782
Speaker 2: I hate it. I hate it, I completely.

650
00:30:20,542 --> 00:30:20,941
Speaker 1: I want that.

651
00:30:21,102 --> 00:30:23,342
Speaker 4: Wearing shoes inside the house. But I think that's just

652
00:30:23,622 --> 00:30:26,021
Speaker 4: sort of a rule of nature. Really, it's not a

653
00:30:26,062 --> 00:30:29,941
Speaker 4: controversial one. Sitting on the aisle on the bus like,

654
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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, is this your personal limousine? Like, move across.

655
00:30:33,422 --> 00:30:36,262
Speaker 4: And sometimes I will simply make a point of asking

656
00:30:36,302 --> 00:30:38,421
Speaker 4: them to move when there are plenty of other seats,

657
00:30:38,462 --> 00:30:41,421
Speaker 4: because I want to affirm and confirm with them that

658
00:30:41,462 --> 00:30:43,022
Speaker 4: this is public transportation.

659
00:30:43,302 --> 00:30:45,302
Speaker 2: It's part of the social contract, exactly, It's.

660
00:30:45,142 --> 00:30:46,982
Speaker 4: Part of the social contract. And don't put your bag

661
00:30:47,022 --> 00:30:49,222
Speaker 4: on the seat. Your bag is not precious unless it's

662
00:30:49,222 --> 00:30:51,502
Speaker 4: an Hermare's burken. I don't want it on the seat,

663
00:30:51,502 --> 00:30:56,022
Speaker 4: in which case likely not the bus. Final one. This

664
00:30:56,142 --> 00:31:00,622
Speaker 4: is really controversial. Umbrellas. I think they're antisocial.

665
00:31:01,262 --> 00:31:03,342
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, because.

666
00:31:02,982 --> 00:31:05,782
Speaker 4: You're just always poking people, you suddenly lose all sense

667
00:31:05,862 --> 00:31:08,102
Speaker 4: of personal space. You should be wearing a raincoat.

668
00:31:09,182 --> 00:31:10,822
Speaker 1: Rank that's actually a great ada.

669
00:31:11,222 --> 00:31:12,902
Speaker 3: You've blown my mind a bit because the other thing

670
00:31:12,942 --> 00:31:15,582
Speaker 3: about umbrellas is that I often do use an umbrella,

671
00:31:15,622 --> 00:31:17,661
Speaker 3: but what I find is that I come inside if

672
00:31:17,702 --> 00:31:19,182
Speaker 3: they don't have a place to put it. I'm also

673
00:31:19,302 --> 00:31:22,782
Speaker 3: just dripping wet umbrella water, which I feel like safety.

674
00:31:23,342 --> 00:31:24,262
Speaker 4: Little plastic bag.

675
00:31:24,342 --> 00:31:26,142
Speaker 2: Yes, but sometimes I don't have it and.

676
00:31:26,022 --> 00:31:27,502
Speaker 4: It's probably choking turtles.

677
00:31:27,542 --> 00:31:29,382
Speaker 2: Actually, that's actually so true, all right.

678
00:31:29,422 --> 00:31:31,102
Speaker 3: I have a few additional ones that I wanted to

679
00:31:31,102 --> 00:31:37,222
Speaker 3: add to unsolicited texts with deals on injectibles, like it's

680
00:31:37,262 --> 00:31:39,422
Speaker 3: just a Tuesday and it's like, we have a great

681
00:31:39,462 --> 00:31:41,902
Speaker 3: deal for you to just get so many injectibles, and

682
00:31:41,902 --> 00:31:43,462
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, that's such.

683
00:31:43,302 --> 00:31:45,062
Speaker 4: A good point. I feel like I'm never going to

684
00:31:45,142 --> 00:31:47,742
Speaker 4: book a beauty treatment that I got texted about.

685
00:31:47,902 --> 00:31:50,982
Speaker 3: No, No, I feel offended. One hundred percent of the time.

686
00:31:51,022 --> 00:31:54,221
Speaker 1: I don't want my injectibles discount. Why have they on sale?

687
00:31:54,902 --> 00:31:56,662
Speaker 3: When I tell someone I have a two year old

688
00:31:56,702 --> 00:31:59,701
Speaker 3: and they don't gasp and ask how I'm old enough

689
00:31:59,742 --> 00:32:00,182
Speaker 3: to have a child.

690
00:32:00,422 --> 00:32:02,662
Speaker 2: Oh, every time I do it, I pause and.

691
00:32:02,622 --> 00:32:06,742
Speaker 3: I'm like mate, and they just go on with things,

692
00:32:06,822 --> 00:32:09,862
Speaker 3: and I'm like, wow, okay, that's actually really rude. When

693
00:32:10,022 --> 00:32:12,622
Speaker 3: it appears that someone's wearing runners with no socks, I

694
00:32:12,661 --> 00:32:14,782
Speaker 3: feel a bit sick because I just think about their shoe,

695
00:32:15,022 --> 00:32:17,181
Speaker 3: like their force and the sweat, and I don't like

696
00:32:17,222 --> 00:32:21,102
Speaker 3: it walking into someone's bathroom after they've had a shower

697
00:32:21,182 --> 00:32:26,062
Speaker 3: and it's steamy. Yeah, it feels yuck, Like it feels

698
00:32:26,102 --> 00:32:28,302
Speaker 3: like I'm too close to their naked, unclean buddy.

699
00:32:28,422 --> 00:32:30,862
Speaker 4: And it also feels like the word moist is just

700
00:32:30,982 --> 00:32:32,062
Speaker 4: hanging in the air.

701
00:32:32,102 --> 00:32:33,822
Speaker 1: And actually, can I add that to the list of

702
00:32:33,862 --> 00:32:35,062
Speaker 1: things we are defensive?

703
00:32:35,142 --> 00:32:36,582
Speaker 2: That were And.

704
00:32:36,502 --> 00:32:39,142
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's mixed with someone's deodorant. I remember being in

705
00:32:39,142 --> 00:32:41,342
Speaker 3: a hostel once and I was in somewhere in the

706
00:32:41,382 --> 00:32:44,262
Speaker 3: US it's really humid and going into the communal bathroom

707
00:32:44,302 --> 00:32:46,661
Speaker 3: and it was just steam and other people's deodorant, and

708
00:32:46,661 --> 00:32:49,342
Speaker 3: I was like, I actually just yuck. And my last

709
00:32:49,382 --> 00:32:53,102
Speaker 3: one is any physical evidence that a human being has

710
00:32:53,142 --> 00:32:54,021
Speaker 3: consumed cereal?

711
00:32:54,862 --> 00:32:55,742
Speaker 1: So what do you mean?

712
00:32:56,022 --> 00:32:57,822
Speaker 3: I mean mush in the sink, Like if I got

713
00:32:57,862 --> 00:33:00,461
Speaker 3: into the work kitchen and there was remnants of like

714
00:33:00,542 --> 00:33:03,822
Speaker 3: corn flakes and milk stuck to a plate, Like I

715
00:33:03,982 --> 00:33:06,542
Speaker 3: just think there's something about breakfast that irks me a

716
00:33:06,542 --> 00:33:06,982
Speaker 3: little bit.

717
00:33:07,222 --> 00:33:10,342
Speaker 4: The Outlouders sent through some really good ones. Should we

718
00:33:10,382 --> 00:33:11,342
Speaker 4: just run through a few?

719
00:33:11,422 --> 00:33:12,222
Speaker 1: Yeah.

720
00:33:12,262 --> 00:33:15,582
Speaker 4: My favorite was Natalie who wrote people that drive around

721
00:33:15,622 --> 00:33:18,382
Speaker 4: with music blasting through their speakers that are attached to

722
00:33:18,422 --> 00:33:22,942
Speaker 4: the outside of their cars. Yes, this happens in New Zealand. Natalie,

723
00:33:23,062 --> 00:33:24,582
Speaker 4: it happens in Australia too.

724
00:33:24,862 --> 00:33:25,822
Speaker 2: I hate it.

725
00:33:26,022 --> 00:33:29,702
Speaker 3: Also, Adele, I completely agree with this one. Seeing people

726
00:33:29,742 --> 00:33:32,982
Speaker 3: brushing their teeth even in movies and stuff. I don't

727
00:33:33,062 --> 00:33:35,781
Speaker 3: like it, but any again, it's any evidence. It's like

728
00:33:36,022 --> 00:33:37,382
Speaker 3: the glob of toothpaste.

729
00:33:38,222 --> 00:33:40,902
Speaker 4: Anything to do with being reminded that people have bodies

730
00:33:40,902 --> 00:33:42,022
Speaker 4: and require sustenance.

731
00:33:42,102 --> 00:33:44,102
Speaker 2: I think all their mouths, I think. I just don't

732
00:33:44,102 --> 00:33:44,982
Speaker 2: like human mouth.

733
00:33:44,822 --> 00:33:47,062
Speaker 1: And some people are very aggressive with it. I yeh,

734
00:33:47,062 --> 00:33:50,262
Speaker 1: that's what it is. And I loved Natalie's. This is

735
00:33:50,302 --> 00:33:52,902
Speaker 1: one that I absolutely agree with. People that use their

736
00:33:52,942 --> 00:33:55,622
Speaker 1: phones to text and still have the keyboard sound on

737
00:33:55,942 --> 00:33:59,181
Speaker 1: so you can hear the thumbs and the driving.

738
00:33:59,062 --> 00:34:02,502
Speaker 3: Us Barbara actually had This was my favorite because I

739
00:34:02,542 --> 00:34:05,222
Speaker 3: thought it the other day. She had when people are

740
00:34:05,222 --> 00:34:08,542
Speaker 3: walking along like on a footpath in a non designated

741
00:34:08,582 --> 00:34:12,462
Speaker 3: area smoking The other day, I was genuinely offended by

742
00:34:12,622 --> 00:34:14,582
Speaker 3: a man who was walking down I had Luna in

743
00:34:14,622 --> 00:34:16,862
Speaker 3: the pram just like.

744
00:34:16,342 --> 00:34:17,742
Speaker 1: Like, is that chu legal?

745
00:34:17,902 --> 00:34:22,502
Speaker 3: I'm like, because all the second hand smoke was just

746
00:34:22,781 --> 00:34:24,542
Speaker 3: like lofting. You know what, if you want to smoke,

747
00:34:24,582 --> 00:34:26,261
Speaker 3: go for it. But the idea of doing it on

748
00:34:26,302 --> 00:34:29,261
Speaker 3: a street like near a library where Luna was just going,

749
00:34:29,942 --> 00:34:32,502
Speaker 3: I just went, that's very antisocial.

750
00:34:31,902 --> 00:34:34,622
Speaker 4: Judith, I've got a bone to pick with you. Yours

751
00:34:34,701 --> 00:34:38,022
Speaker 4: was pedestrians dawdling across the intersection when there is a

752
00:34:38,022 --> 00:34:41,701
Speaker 4: long line of cars waiting for them. Pick up the pace. People, No,

753
00:34:42,022 --> 00:34:45,422
Speaker 4: I disagree, Judith. As a pedestrian, I am the one

754
00:34:45,462 --> 00:34:48,661
Speaker 4: who was not contributing to our carbon footprint. I am

755
00:34:48,701 --> 00:34:52,062
Speaker 4: the one getting out into the fresh air. And no

756
00:34:52,102 --> 00:34:54,542
Speaker 4: matter how long the line of cars is, I take

757
00:34:54,661 --> 00:34:55,861
Speaker 4: my time when I'm walking.

758
00:34:56,582 --> 00:35:00,861
Speaker 3: One of those is actually offended. And Judith, I'm with

759
00:35:00,902 --> 00:35:03,661
Speaker 3: you on this. You're offended that it's not a light

760
00:35:04,422 --> 00:35:05,301
Speaker 3: Like sometimes.

761
00:35:04,982 --> 00:35:06,221
Speaker 2: I look at it and I go, we've got some

762
00:35:06,342 --> 00:35:07,381
Speaker 2: city planning.

763
00:35:07,062 --> 00:35:08,862
Speaker 4: Found some common ground for me and Judith.

764
00:35:09,102 --> 00:35:10,741
Speaker 3: Yes, what you want is for it to be a

765
00:35:10,822 --> 00:35:13,381
Speaker 3: light so that the traffic works, but it is a real,

766
00:35:13,781 --> 00:35:15,222
Speaker 3: real issue around train stations.

767
00:35:15,261 --> 00:35:17,502
Speaker 4: I just go and make it a lot. I'm sorry,

768
00:35:17,582 --> 00:35:19,221
Speaker 4: I didn't think about that. That's true.

769
00:35:19,221 --> 00:35:21,181
Speaker 2: More out loud as.

770
00:35:21,221 --> 00:35:23,582
Speaker 3: We had so much fun with that subscriber episode. I

771
00:35:23,661 --> 00:35:25,221
Speaker 3: just I have so many more. I have like a

772
00:35:25,302 --> 00:35:27,582
Speaker 3: notes out that is just brimming with things that annoy me.

773
00:35:27,902 --> 00:35:30,422
Speaker 3: If you're looking for something fun to listen to, you

774
00:35:30,462 --> 00:35:34,462
Speaker 3: can find that subscriber episode in our show notes. After

775
00:35:34,502 --> 00:35:36,902
Speaker 3: the break, is it time for the Great lock In?

776
00:35:37,342 --> 00:35:42,381
Speaker 3: We discuss one unlimited out Loud access. We drop episodes

777
00:35:42,462 --> 00:35:46,461
Speaker 3: every Tuesday and Thursday exclusively for Mum and MEA subscribers.

778
00:35:46,942 --> 00:35:48,982
Speaker 3: Follow the link in the show notes to get us

779
00:35:49,022 --> 00:35:51,742
Speaker 3: in your ears five days a week. And a huge

780
00:35:51,781 --> 00:35:54,181
Speaker 3: thank you to all our current subscribers.

781
00:35:59,102 --> 00:36:01,102
Speaker 4: If you are part of supet In and the Great

782
00:36:01,142 --> 00:36:03,821
Speaker 4: lock In of twenty twenty five, this is how you're

783
00:36:03,822 --> 00:36:05,062
Speaker 4: actually getting to Stephen sister.

784
00:36:05,261 --> 00:36:07,902
Speaker 1: It is the Great lock In season, and not a

785
00:36:07,942 --> 00:36:10,622
Speaker 1: lock in where you hide yourself from world, but where

786
00:36:10,622 --> 00:36:12,781
Speaker 1: you lock in on yourself for the.

787
00:36:12,701 --> 00:36:13,622
Speaker 4: Rest of the year.

788
00:36:13,701 --> 00:36:16,221
Speaker 1: You guys are going to see all over your few

789
00:36:16,302 --> 00:36:19,062
Speaker 1: page of people joining the lock In.

790
00:36:19,382 --> 00:36:20,382
Speaker 2: Are we feeling inspired?

791
00:36:21,221 --> 00:36:22,102
Speaker 1: What is a lock in?

792
00:36:22,542 --> 00:36:23,702
Speaker 4: What are we talking about?

793
00:36:23,942 --> 00:36:24,262
Speaker 2: Okay?

794
00:36:24,382 --> 00:36:27,622
Speaker 3: So, according to the New York Times, we're entering the

795
00:36:27,661 --> 00:36:29,861
Speaker 3: Great Locking Era. It is a term that has been

796
00:36:29,902 --> 00:36:35,542
Speaker 3: popularized by social media users who are embarking on a challenge. Now,

797
00:36:35,542 --> 00:36:39,302
Speaker 3: this challenge is similar to do we remember seventy five hard?

798
00:36:39,542 --> 00:36:40,142
Speaker 2: Do you remember that?

799
00:36:40,342 --> 00:36:42,582
Speaker 1: I didn't participate in it, but I remember it.

800
00:36:42,701 --> 00:36:44,301
Speaker 2: I remember criticizing it from afar.

801
00:36:44,582 --> 00:36:45,661
Speaker 4: Yes, what is seventy four?

802
00:36:46,022 --> 00:36:48,301
Speaker 3: It was seventy five days and it's like a health

803
00:36:48,302 --> 00:36:50,142
Speaker 3: and fitness challenge and it was like drink this much

804
00:36:50,181 --> 00:36:52,582
Speaker 3: water and read eight pages of a book and do

805
00:36:52,701 --> 00:36:54,982
Speaker 3: ten thousand steps and da da da dad, like it

806
00:36:55,022 --> 00:36:58,661
Speaker 3: was a mad challenge all the Winter Arc which was

807
00:36:58,781 --> 00:37:02,942
Speaker 3: last year's version of this, And it's a Northern Hemisphere

808
00:37:02,942 --> 00:37:07,702
Speaker 3: trend where individuals commit to setting and achieving significant personal

809
00:37:07,741 --> 00:37:10,341
Speaker 3: goals in the colder months in the lead up to

810
00:37:10,382 --> 00:37:13,221
Speaker 3: sort of New Year, and it's meant to counteract the

811
00:37:13,382 --> 00:37:14,822
Speaker 3: instinct to hibernate.

812
00:37:14,822 --> 00:37:15,861
Speaker 1: It's dry July.

813
00:37:16,502 --> 00:37:20,022
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, Yeah, except you just tick off everything and

814
00:37:20,062 --> 00:37:22,142
Speaker 3: you become a better version of yourself in colder.

815
00:37:21,942 --> 00:37:24,102
Speaker 4: Australians are like, you're just going to try not to

816
00:37:24,221 --> 00:37:27,062
Speaker 4: drink alcohol for a month. In the Northern Hemisphy, they're like,

817
00:37:27,062 --> 00:37:28,261
Speaker 4: I'm going to write a book.

818
00:37:28,102 --> 00:37:31,422
Speaker 3: Yeah, in four months exactly. While we in Australia, obviously

819
00:37:31,422 --> 00:37:34,341
Speaker 3: we're not entering the cooler months. It does feel like

820
00:37:34,422 --> 00:37:34,821
Speaker 3: we are.

821
00:37:34,822 --> 00:37:37,022
Speaker 2: Suddenly barreling towards the end of the year.

822
00:37:37,502 --> 00:37:39,901
Speaker 3: We spoke about the term lock in a few months

823
00:37:39,902 --> 00:37:43,381
Speaker 3: ago because it's a gen Z popularized sort of slang term,

824
00:37:43,781 --> 00:37:46,701
Speaker 3: and it's about entering a state of deep focus and

825
00:37:47,022 --> 00:37:51,341
Speaker 3: concentration aka putting your phone down for four minutes and being.

826
00:37:51,102 --> 00:37:52,622
Speaker 2: Like I'm locked in, right.

827
00:37:52,982 --> 00:37:55,102
Speaker 3: But the idea is that we are all going to

828
00:37:55,181 --> 00:37:57,221
Speaker 3: hunker down for the rest of the year and do

829
00:37:57,342 --> 00:37:59,622
Speaker 3: all the things that we said we set out to

830
00:37:59,661 --> 00:38:03,701
Speaker 3: do in January when we were fundamentally different people. We're

831
00:38:03,741 --> 00:38:05,741
Speaker 3: going to run that marathon, We're going to clean out

832
00:38:05,741 --> 00:38:08,301
Speaker 3: the cupboard, we're going to get that promotion. We're going

833
00:38:08,342 --> 00:38:11,102
Speaker 3: to increase our savings. Stacy, are you locking in?

834
00:38:11,701 --> 00:38:15,462
Speaker 1: Can I lock out? Get me out? Leave me on

835
00:38:15,502 --> 00:38:18,901
Speaker 1: the outside. I just feel like this is like New

836
00:38:18,982 --> 00:38:21,941
Speaker 1: Year's Resolutions rebranded, except we have to do them every

837
00:38:22,022 --> 00:38:25,261
Speaker 1: quarter and I'm just like I've failed already. We're you know,

838
00:38:25,342 --> 00:38:27,741
Speaker 1: ten days into the month. I don't want to do it.

839
00:38:28,062 --> 00:38:29,022
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it, but.

840
00:38:28,982 --> 00:38:31,661
Speaker 4: I have fundamentally resent having to think about the year

841
00:38:31,661 --> 00:38:34,062
Speaker 4: in terms of quarters. I am an accountant.

842
00:38:34,822 --> 00:38:37,342
Speaker 2: How about your goal, so, Stacy, have you simply achieved

843
00:38:37,382 --> 00:38:37,701
Speaker 2: them all?

844
00:38:37,862 --> 00:38:41,301
Speaker 1: I don't even remember what they were even from last week.

845
00:38:41,781 --> 00:38:44,661
Speaker 1: But I feel like this is part of the success

846
00:38:44,781 --> 00:38:46,661
Speaker 1: society that we're in now. Like I was reading this

847
00:38:46,822 --> 00:38:49,422
Speaker 1: article in medium about that and how it's seen now

848
00:38:49,661 --> 00:38:51,942
Speaker 1: as the holy grail of human existence. Like you have

849
00:38:52,022 --> 00:38:54,702
Speaker 1: to be striving for the next thing, getting that promotion,

850
00:38:55,062 --> 00:38:58,142
Speaker 1: Like you can't just be seen to be enjoying yourself

851
00:38:58,382 --> 00:39:02,102
Speaker 1: eversting coasting, Did you lock in? Jesse?

852
00:39:02,822 --> 00:39:04,142
Speaker 2: I love the idea of locking in.

853
00:39:04,181 --> 00:39:06,622
Speaker 3: I just read this and I went, I need new stationary,

854
00:39:06,982 --> 00:39:08,662
Speaker 3: Like I need a new notebook.

855
00:39:08,822 --> 00:39:09,462
Speaker 1: People, what do you mean?

856
00:39:09,701 --> 00:39:11,462
Speaker 4: Like one which has like a little pitchure of you

857
00:39:11,502 --> 00:39:12,942
Speaker 4: at the top and it says from the desk of

858
00:39:13,022 --> 00:39:13,622
Speaker 4: Jesse Steep.

859
00:39:13,862 --> 00:39:16,702
Speaker 3: Yes, that's exactly what I mean. And maybe a personalized

860
00:39:16,781 --> 00:39:19,022
Speaker 3: pen that costs a little bit too much money. Like

861
00:39:19,062 --> 00:39:22,302
Speaker 3: I just feel like I was speaking to a business

862
00:39:22,302 --> 00:39:25,742
Speaker 3: owner recently who was saying that in Australia, things wind

863
00:39:25,781 --> 00:39:28,941
Speaker 3: down and they basically like switch off on Melbourne Cup Day.

864
00:39:28,942 --> 00:39:31,862
Speaker 3: They're thinking January on Melburne Cup Day, which is November

865
00:39:31,902 --> 00:39:32,221
Speaker 3: the four.

866
00:39:32,342 --> 00:39:35,942
Speaker 4: No. But this is why this lockin idea is a

867
00:39:35,942 --> 00:39:40,462
Speaker 4: fundamentally Northern Hemisphere concept, because we are on the verge

868
00:39:40,502 --> 00:39:44,142
Speaker 4: of silly season. So I learned recently that silly season

869
00:39:44,221 --> 00:39:47,582
Speaker 4: is apparently just an Australian and British invention. It's not

870
00:39:47,862 --> 00:39:49,861
Speaker 4: discussed around the world. I had to explain to my

871
00:39:49,902 --> 00:39:53,462
Speaker 4: American partner what a silly season was. Americans don't have

872
00:39:53,502 --> 00:39:56,742
Speaker 4: a silly season. It's just always fundamentally low key silly there.

873
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Speaker 4: And I know it's just about to happen here because

874
00:40:00,342 --> 00:40:02,941
Speaker 4: I said to two friends of mine who are very busy,

875
00:40:02,982 --> 00:40:05,181
Speaker 4: who I just had dinner with, can we see each

876
00:40:05,221 --> 00:40:07,821
Speaker 4: other before Christmas? And then we realized it's already gotten

877
00:40:07,822 --> 00:40:11,341
Speaker 4: to the point where it's like after Christmas.

878
00:40:11,062 --> 00:40:12,462
Speaker 2: There are four months left.

879
00:40:12,741 --> 00:40:14,701
Speaker 4: Maybe they just didn't want to see me again, but

880
00:40:14,741 --> 00:40:15,942
Speaker 4: they said they were too busy.

881
00:40:16,302 --> 00:40:17,861
Speaker 3: I think we have a third of a year left.

882
00:40:17,902 --> 00:40:20,062
Speaker 3: I don't know why I'm doing the same because I'm like, guys,

883
00:40:20,062 --> 00:40:24,382
Speaker 3: it's basically holidays like come on, the goals can't be achieved, Amelia.

884
00:40:24,542 --> 00:40:26,702
Speaker 2: How about like are you going to run a marathon?

885
00:40:26,942 --> 00:40:27,701
Speaker 2: Are you training for?

886
00:40:27,942 --> 00:40:28,102
Speaker 1: Yeah?

887
00:40:28,661 --> 00:40:32,262
Speaker 4: You know that, Jesse. That's so funny that you asked

888
00:40:32,342 --> 00:40:35,862
Speaker 4: me that. I am just trying to go to exercise

889
00:40:35,982 --> 00:40:40,341
Speaker 4: classes and stay silent during them. That's just my goal here.

890
00:40:41,142 --> 00:40:42,821
Speaker 1: But I feel like we're just trying to set up

891
00:40:42,862 --> 00:40:45,582
Speaker 1: too many ways for ourselves to fail. Like everything feels

892
00:40:45,582 --> 00:40:48,701
Speaker 1: like it's very achievement in milestone based now, Like even

893
00:40:48,741 --> 00:40:51,221
Speaker 1: with parenting now, don't you feel like, at least like

894
00:40:51,261 --> 00:40:54,821
Speaker 1: having little kids, everything is about leaps and milestones. And

895
00:40:54,822 --> 00:40:57,142
Speaker 1: I don't think our parents' generation would have had a clue,

896
00:40:57,142 --> 00:40:59,421
Speaker 1: like when we were meant to roll over, Well, it's

897
00:40:59,422 --> 00:41:00,341
Speaker 1: about enrichment.

898
00:41:01,102 --> 00:41:04,102
Speaker 4: Also, you nailed it before, Jesse. I can say this

899
00:41:04,142 --> 00:41:05,942
Speaker 4: because m Venom's not here right now.

900
00:41:06,502 --> 00:41:06,862
Speaker 1: Jen Z.

901
00:41:06,942 --> 00:41:10,502
Speaker 4: It has to stop coming up with phrases mean not

902
00:41:10,701 --> 00:41:12,381
Speaker 4: looking at TikTok, and the.

903
00:41:12,342 --> 00:41:14,661
Speaker 3: Irony is they keep coming up with those phrases and

904
00:41:14,661 --> 00:41:15,661
Speaker 3: sharing them on TikTok.

905
00:41:15,902 --> 00:41:18,582
Speaker 4: She's going to come at me because this is what

906
00:41:18,622 --> 00:41:19,102
Speaker 4: you have to do.

907
00:41:19,181 --> 00:41:22,502
Speaker 3: Participants in the lock In, Locked In, Great lock In,

908
00:41:22,542 --> 00:41:26,022
Speaker 3: whatever they call it challenge are encouraged to share their

909
00:41:26,062 --> 00:41:30,781
Speaker 3: personal pledges online and to upload daily progress updates to

910
00:41:30,902 --> 00:41:33,261
Speaker 3: hold themselves accountable. And it's like, you would get more

911
00:41:33,302 --> 00:41:35,502
Speaker 3: done if you're creating less content.

912
00:41:35,902 --> 00:41:40,382
Speaker 4: Is like the general, the general, stop talking about locking down.

913
00:41:40,862 --> 00:41:42,222
Speaker 4: Maybe you could get your.

914
00:41:42,062 --> 00:41:46,781
Speaker 3: Goals exactly before we go, Stacy, you are bursting with

915
00:41:46,822 --> 00:41:51,102
Speaker 3: a midweek reco That's not it's blasphe for me, But.

916
00:41:51,462 --> 00:41:54,942
Speaker 1: Do you find that offensive?

917
00:41:55,422 --> 00:41:58,622
Speaker 3: You're fucked with the format? Please take the floor, Stacy.

918
00:41:58,701 --> 00:42:02,901
Speaker 1: Okay, are you both Team Conrad or Team Jeremiah?

919
00:42:03,062 --> 00:42:04,142
Speaker 2: Is this a reality show?

920
00:42:04,622 --> 00:42:05,221
Speaker 1: No, it's not.

921
00:42:05,342 --> 00:42:06,422
Speaker 4: I don't know what that is?

922
00:42:06,622 --> 00:42:09,661
Speaker 1: Okay, good. So, depending on where the listeners sit, can

923
00:42:09,741 --> 00:42:12,982
Speaker 1: either hear them screaming at their phone right now telling

924
00:42:12,982 --> 00:42:16,181
Speaker 1: me that they are Team Conrad, which is the correct answer, FYI,

925
00:42:16,781 --> 00:42:18,702
Speaker 1: or they're like you two and look very confused.

926
00:42:18,902 --> 00:42:19,741
Speaker 4: Is this Twilight?

927
00:42:20,221 --> 00:42:23,582
Speaker 1: No, it's kind of the new iteration of Twilight. Yes.

928
00:42:23,902 --> 00:42:25,982
Speaker 1: So what I'm talking about is the show called the

929
00:42:25,982 --> 00:42:27,702
Speaker 1: Summer I turned pretty okay.

930
00:42:27,781 --> 00:42:33,542
Speaker 3: I keep seeing the abbreviation of this, which is like six, like,

931
00:42:33,862 --> 00:42:34,821
Speaker 3: what are we It's like to.

932
00:42:34,822 --> 00:42:37,421
Speaker 2: Submer it and I'm going, what are we talking about?

933
00:42:37,502 --> 00:42:40,181
Speaker 1: You? Yes, so this show is like a teen drama. Like,

934
00:42:40,261 --> 00:42:42,341
Speaker 1: make no mistake, I'm not meant to be watching it.

935
00:42:42,661 --> 00:42:45,221
Speaker 1: But all millennial women at the moment that I seem

936
00:42:45,261 --> 00:42:47,821
Speaker 1: to have conversations with are saying to me, are you

937
00:42:47,862 --> 00:42:50,221
Speaker 1: watching the Summer I Turn pretty? I'm catching up on

938
00:42:50,261 --> 00:42:52,781
Speaker 1: the Summer I turn pretty. It has hit fever pitch.

939
00:42:52,862 --> 00:42:55,062
Speaker 2: Because I thought this wasn't a new show. I thought

940
00:42:55,062 --> 00:42:56,462
Speaker 2: people were talking about this a few years ago.

941
00:42:56,622 --> 00:42:59,542
Speaker 1: No, so it's in the third season now. The finale

942
00:42:59,622 --> 00:43:01,502
Speaker 1: is next week. But I want you to hear it.

943
00:43:01,542 --> 00:43:03,181
Speaker 1: I want you to hear what this show sounds like,

944
00:43:03,302 --> 00:43:04,221
Speaker 1: just to get the vibe.

945
00:43:04,342 --> 00:43:07,181
Speaker 5: My family spends every summer in Cousins Beach with my

946
00:43:07,221 --> 00:43:11,981
Speaker 5: mom's best friend and her two sons and Jeremiah. They've

947
00:43:11,982 --> 00:43:14,102
Speaker 5: always seen me as a little kid, but this summer,

948
00:43:14,261 --> 00:43:19,062
Speaker 5: so you go later, it's different. Damn you work hot,

949
00:43:19,661 --> 00:43:20,982
Speaker 5: Stop flirting with my sister.

950
00:43:21,822 --> 00:43:24,261
Speaker 1: Do you want to be with him? Be with you

951
00:43:24,422 --> 00:43:27,102
Speaker 1: is all I've ever worn it. Okay, it's great, be

952
00:43:27,181 --> 00:43:27,382
Speaker 1: with me.

953
00:43:27,462 --> 00:43:29,941
Speaker 3: Then I watched an episode of this a few years ago.

954
00:43:30,062 --> 00:43:32,181
Speaker 3: I remember they go to a beach. She's like and

955
00:43:32,221 --> 00:43:34,821
Speaker 3: everyone's like, Wow, you've turned into a woman.

956
00:43:34,902 --> 00:43:36,901
Speaker 1: I'm like, eh, it's like that classic you took your

957
00:43:36,902 --> 00:43:40,502
Speaker 1: glasses off and suddenly you're hot. Yeah, but she turned sixteen.

958
00:43:40,622 --> 00:43:44,062
Speaker 1: They go to Cousins Beach in the Hamptons in this story,

959
00:43:44,502 --> 00:43:47,982
Speaker 1: and her family holidays every year with the Fisher family.

960
00:43:48,022 --> 00:43:50,502
Speaker 1: So this Conrad and Jeremiah are the brothers who are

961
00:43:50,542 --> 00:43:53,062
Speaker 1: around her age as well as her own brother. So

962
00:43:53,102 --> 00:43:56,982
Speaker 1: the main character is Isabelle Conklin. So they nickname her Belly

963
00:43:57,342 --> 00:44:00,741
Speaker 1: for some strange reason unclear. That's the nickname of this girl,

964
00:44:01,261 --> 00:44:04,582
Speaker 1: and both the boys fall for her and drama and shoes.

965
00:44:05,661 --> 00:44:08,382
Speaker 4: So this is like the handreds are so fancy? Is

966
00:44:08,382 --> 00:44:11,542
Speaker 4: that like rich people? Drama? Like is that the vibe?

967
00:44:11,582 --> 00:44:14,861
Speaker 1: So the Fisher family is rich, but Belly's family is not.

968
00:44:15,022 --> 00:44:17,662
Speaker 1: They are just friends of this family, so like swept

969
00:44:17,701 --> 00:44:20,502
Speaker 1: into this world every summer and spend all of this

970
00:44:20,582 --> 00:44:24,462
Speaker 1: time with them. And look, the dialogue's not great, the

971
00:44:24,502 --> 00:44:27,821
Speaker 1: plot pretty unbelievable. The two brothers would just go so

972
00:44:27,942 --> 00:44:31,821
Speaker 1: hard over one one family friend a bit weir, but

973
00:44:31,982 --> 00:44:35,301
Speaker 1: you won't care because it's like a version of the

974
00:44:35,342 --> 00:44:39,221
Speaker 1: OC Like did you watch the Okay, it gives you

975
00:44:39,261 --> 00:44:45,102
Speaker 1: that like heartsick, like excited feeling team, I've.

976
00:44:44,902 --> 00:44:47,062
Speaker 4: Got an older reference. Is it like Dawson's Creek?

977
00:44:47,261 --> 00:44:49,422
Speaker 1: Exactly? That was the other one I was going to reference.

978
00:44:49,462 --> 00:44:52,301
Speaker 1: Is Dawson's Creek. It is exactly like that. Like it's corny,

979
00:44:52,542 --> 00:44:54,062
Speaker 1: you won't care, You'll love it.

980
00:44:54,102 --> 00:44:55,102
Speaker 2: Is it on Netflix?

981
00:44:55,382 --> 00:44:58,782
Speaker 1: No on Amazon Prime, Amazon Prime And across the city,

982
00:44:58,822 --> 00:45:02,142
Speaker 1: across Sydney, multiple pubs are shutting down on Wednesday nights

983
00:45:02,181 --> 00:45:04,221
Speaker 1: to hold these viewing parties. Yeah.

984
00:45:04,422 --> 00:45:06,261
Speaker 2: Dropping once a week at the moment, yeah, once a week.

985
00:45:06,342 --> 00:45:10,062
Speaker 4: That's why I was really escapist and lovely. Maybe what

986
00:45:10,142 --> 00:45:10,861
Speaker 4: I'll lock in on?

987
00:45:11,181 --> 00:45:13,542
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should lock in on binging this by next

988
00:45:13,542 --> 00:45:15,582
Speaker 1: Wednesday so you can watch the finale.

989
00:45:16,261 --> 00:45:18,622
Speaker 3: A big thank you to all the out Louders for

990
00:45:18,661 --> 00:45:21,582
Speaker 3: listening to today's show and our fabulous team for putting

991
00:45:21,582 --> 00:45:23,902
Speaker 3: it together and friends, do not forget.

992
00:45:23,942 --> 00:45:26,661
Speaker 2: You can also watch us on YouTube.

993
00:45:27,022 --> 00:45:28,982
Speaker 3: And if you enjoyed this episode, maybe you want to

994
00:45:28,982 --> 00:45:30,901
Speaker 3: give a friend a kick up the bum and tell

995
00:45:30,942 --> 00:45:32,622
Speaker 3: them that they need to lock in because they've not

996
00:45:32,661 --> 00:45:33,742
Speaker 3: achieved any of their goals.

997
00:45:34,062 --> 00:45:35,342
Speaker 2: Send them this episode.

998
00:45:35,382 --> 00:45:37,582
Speaker 3: We are finding new out Louders every day and it

999
00:45:37,661 --> 00:45:39,422
Speaker 3: is always such a joy.

1000
00:45:39,422 --> 00:45:42,702
Speaker 2: We will be back in your ears tomorrow. Bye bye.

1001
00:45:43,942 --> 00:45:46,502
Speaker 2: Shout out to any mom and Mia subscribers listening.

1002
00:45:46,741 --> 00:45:48,861
Speaker 3: If you love the show and you want to support us,

1003
00:45:49,142 --> 00:45:52,022
Speaker 3: subscribing to MoMA Mia is the very best way to

1004
00:45:52,102 --> 00:45:52,462
Speaker 3: do so.

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00:45:52,781 --> 00:45:54,542
Speaker 2: There's a link in the episode description