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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma MEA's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. What do Quantus, Louis, Vuitton, Optus

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Speaker 2: and janea Fertility all have in common? If you're drawing

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Speaker 2: a blank, allow me to fill in the gaps. They've

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Speaker 2: all fallen victim to security breaches, with customers personal data

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Speaker 2: ripe for the picking by cyber criminals. So how worried

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Speaker 2: should we actually be about a data breach? Plus? Why

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Speaker 2: does so many of us feel young on the inside

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Speaker 2: even as the birthday numbers rise? It turns out subjective

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Speaker 2: age isn't just a feeling. Science says it's real before

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Speaker 2: we get there. Here's Claire Murphy with the latest from

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Speaker 2: the Quickie newsroom for Friday, July twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor, Five Australian women allegedly forced to submit to

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Speaker 1: invasive strip searches at Dohars Hamad Airport have been given

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Speaker 1: the go ahead to sue Qatar Airways. The women who

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Speaker 1: cannot be legally named or amongst hundreds alleged to have

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Speaker 1: been forcibly removed from aircraft at Doha in October twenty

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Speaker 1: consensual gynecological or intimate physical examinations. After an initial ruling

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Speaker 1: barring them from pursuing the airline and the QC doub A,

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Speaker 1: the Federal Court ruled on Thursday that the suit against

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Speaker 1: care to passengers. The US is cutting its ceasefire talks

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Speaker 1: ceasefire in Gaza. Special Envoys Steve Whitcoff flagged that the

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Speaker 1: US will now consider alternative options to bring israel Els

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Speaker 1: fine deal between Israel and Hamas has eluded the Trump

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next, let's dive into the data dilemma. It

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Speaker 2: feels like there's a new data breach in the headlines

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Speaker 2: attacks on major companies the likes of Jenea, Fertility, and Quantus.

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Speaker 2: Even in recent years, telcom giants like Optus have also

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Speaker 3: Just this week, we are writing to update you on

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Speaker 2: Then there's Quantus, a cyber attack just last month led

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Speaker 2: information like purchase histories and contact details exposed. But what

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Speaker 2: these data breaches keep happening?

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Speaker 4: It is easy prey lots of people fairly careless protecting

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Speaker 2: Turn the news on in the morning and see that

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Speaker 4: It is a serious breach of our personal information, so

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Speaker 4: we have to be extremely concerned. Potentially, the first step

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Speaker 2: Why the hackers do this, What do they actually want

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Speaker 4: It's entirely financially motivated. Unless there is a more sophisticated

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Speaker 4: The level of sensitivity is the confidentiality of the data,

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Speaker 4: and that's the second step. Really they would release this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you bring the dark web. But because

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Speaker 2: Jenea fertility patients this week, they receive confirmation that their

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Speaker 2: information which was lifted during a data breach earlier this year,

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Speaker 2: had ended up on the dark web. Is that really

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Speaker 2: when the alarm bell should be absolutely ringing throughout people

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Speaker 4: Well, I think the alumbrels have the start when you're

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Speaker 4: notified on the bridge. So every organization there's certain constraints,

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Speaker 4: but legally bound to notify customers of such breaches. That's

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Speaker 4: the point of deep concern because afterwards, which direction the

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Speaker 4: the cyber criminals. In this case the dark web, it

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Speaker 4: could have been anywhere else also, so the dark web

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Speaker 4: specifically has connotations of what kind of other people will

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Speaker 4: and most of it is international. So sometimes injunction orders

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Speaker 4: laws wouldn't apply. But in this case there is also

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Speaker 4: the organizational responsibility. Given these are high financial worth transactions.

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Speaker 4: In this particular organization, there has to be rigorous safeguards

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Speaker 4: So there is a strong argument here that the value

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Speaker 4: for example, buying chocolates, that course you wouldn't expect that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think in this particular case with the IVF clinic,

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Speaker 2: it's already such a highly emotional and really important and

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Speaker 2: for family planning, let alone what you're not even thinking about,

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Speaker 2: which is your cybersecurity. So if your data has been taken,

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Speaker 2: is the only recourse to join something like a class action.

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Speaker 4: Yes, there's a significantly strong case for compensation. The first

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Speaker 4: As a second step, I think the organization should be

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Speaker 4: A class action is potentially the only remaining So in

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Speaker 4: terms of the lack of other avenues, it comes down

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Speaker 2: Question for the group how do you feel? Ever caught

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Speaker 2: it turns out, feel younger in their minds than their

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Speaker 2: this subjective age. Studies show there's a magic number that

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Speaker 2: the birthday cake. Mamma Mer lifestyle writer Analyie's Todd has

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Speaker 2: been getting in touch with her and other people's subjective ages.

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Speaker 2: Analys talk to me, where does this idea of subjective

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Speaker 5: Well, I thought I was just alone because everyone teases

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Speaker 2: Okay, so walk me through where the science comes into this,

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Speaker 2: because it's not just about you feeling youthful and dressing

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Speaker 5: No, but thank you for those compliments.

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Speaker 5: No, it's actually a professor of psychology and neuroscience, doctor

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Speaker 5: something called an attractor age. The best way to describe

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Speaker 5: the way I would explain it, it's like maybe a

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Speaker 2: Okay, so for you, that's twenty eight. But there's this

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Speaker 5: So the magic number for most people is twenty five,

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Speaker 2: Why is that? Is it because when you think about

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Speaker 5: From the research, and you know, here is a scientists,

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Speaker 2: This is not just you feeling twenty eight, thank you.

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Speaker 5: It's about our minds naturally gravitating towards an optimal period

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Speaker 2: So twenty five for me, I don't identify that as

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Speaker 5: again it's more gravitating towards that magic number of twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Why is this important, anallyes, Is it the idea that

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Speaker 5: Well, the other thing that he found, and I also

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Speaker 5: It's what Reuben's study found that echoes. Also the sentiments

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Speaker 5: So it's not like you're thinking, oh, you know, life's over.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with

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Speaker 2: us today. The quickie is produced by me Taylor Strano,

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Speaker 2: and Claire Murphy, with audio production by lout Hill