1 00:00:10,745 --> 00:00:13,465 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,945 --> 00:00:17,505 Speaker 2: Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,505 --> 00:00:20,625 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on you biz. You know 4 00:00:20,705 --> 00:00:23,785 Speaker 2: how a swipe of red lipstick or your favorite highlighter 5 00:00:23,825 --> 00:00:27,305 Speaker 2: can instantly lift your mood, Well, turns out what you 6 00:00:27,385 --> 00:00:30,625 Speaker 2: wear can do the same thing. There's an actual proper 7 00:00:30,705 --> 00:00:33,985 Speaker 2: science behind it. Recently, on Nothing to Wear, I spoke 8 00:00:34,025 --> 00:00:37,425 Speaker 2: to a fabulous model and author all about dopamine dressing. 9 00:00:37,705 --> 00:00:41,265 Speaker 2: We chatted about how certain colours, secret underwear tricks, and 10 00:00:41,385 --> 00:00:45,185 Speaker 2: even meaningful jewelry can totally transform how you feel when 11 00:00:45,185 --> 00:00:47,545 Speaker 2: you get dressed. I thought this might give you a 12 00:00:47,545 --> 00:00:49,865 Speaker 2: bit of inspo for your Sunday morning, so I hope 13 00:00:49,865 --> 00:00:54,665 Speaker 2: you enjoy it. Whoever said orange is a new pink 14 00:00:54,825 --> 00:00:56,385 Speaker 2: with seriously disturbed. 15 00:00:56,105 --> 00:00:58,465 Speaker 3: Laurels for spraying groundbreaking? 16 00:00:58,705 --> 00:01:01,025 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you have to do it. You live 17 00:01:01,105 --> 00:01:01,825 Speaker 1: for fashion. 18 00:01:03,305 --> 00:01:06,185 Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that 19 00:01:06,265 --> 00:01:10,425 Speaker 2: solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe Campbell and 20 00:01:10,545 --> 00:01:13,585 Speaker 2: each week we talk to someone wonderful who is here. 21 00:01:13,465 --> 00:01:14,265 Speaker 3: To help us. 22 00:01:14,505 --> 00:01:16,665 Speaker 2: We're going to chat about using and getting more out 23 00:01:16,705 --> 00:01:18,785 Speaker 2: of the clothes we already own, and what is and 24 00:01:18,905 --> 00:01:22,225 Speaker 2: isn't worth adding to our wardrobe. On today's episode, we're 25 00:01:22,225 --> 00:01:25,865 Speaker 2: talking about how our clothes and our emotions can be intertwined. 26 00:01:26,625 --> 00:01:29,865 Speaker 2: Maybe you've heard the term emotional dressing or dopamine dressing. 27 00:01:30,505 --> 00:01:33,985 Speaker 2: This is where specific choices are made to evoke positive 28 00:01:33,985 --> 00:01:38,225 Speaker 2: emotions and boost our mood. It emphasizes the psychological impact 29 00:01:38,265 --> 00:01:41,705 Speaker 2: of dressing and the potential for clothing to influence one's 30 00:01:41,745 --> 00:01:45,825 Speaker 2: emotional state. We have brought back model and author Jessica Vandalay. 31 00:01:46,345 --> 00:01:49,665 Speaker 2: If there was an ambassador for emotional dressing, Jessica would 32 00:01:49,665 --> 00:01:53,505 Speaker 2: absolutely be the one. So jess welcome back to the show. 33 00:01:53,865 --> 00:01:56,985 Speaker 2: Loved having on talking about boobs last time, but today 34 00:01:57,185 --> 00:02:01,585 Speaker 2: we're talking about emotional dressing. It's something you're very passionate about. 35 00:02:01,745 --> 00:02:04,945 Speaker 2: So before we break it down into different elements, when 36 00:02:04,985 --> 00:02:07,745 Speaker 2: did you first come across his philosophy of being an 37 00:02:07,745 --> 00:02:08,985 Speaker 2: emotional dressing. 38 00:02:09,265 --> 00:02:11,985 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if I originated the term, 39 00:02:12,145 --> 00:02:15,065 Speaker 4: but I will take it if someone wants attributed to me. 40 00:02:15,785 --> 00:02:19,465 Speaker 4: But I definitely have always been an emotional dresser. I 41 00:02:19,505 --> 00:02:23,065 Speaker 4: remember even girlfriends from high school will remember me sitting 42 00:02:23,185 --> 00:02:26,265 Speaker 4: in my towel before going to a party and really 43 00:02:26,265 --> 00:02:28,425 Speaker 4: deciding how I felt that night, and like kind of 44 00:02:28,505 --> 00:02:32,545 Speaker 4: choosing my personality, and you know, sometimes it was dark 45 00:02:32,585 --> 00:02:34,505 Speaker 4: and moody, and then sometimes it was a bit more 46 00:02:34,505 --> 00:02:36,945 Speaker 4: glitz and glammy. And yeah, it was always just a 47 00:02:36,985 --> 00:02:39,185 Speaker 4: process of really tuning into how I was feeling I 48 00:02:39,225 --> 00:02:40,425 Speaker 4: love before I chosen. 49 00:02:40,145 --> 00:02:40,505 Speaker 1: Out for it. 50 00:02:40,585 --> 00:02:41,465 Speaker 3: And do you do that every day? 51 00:02:41,505 --> 00:02:41,665 Speaker 5: Now? 52 00:02:41,745 --> 00:02:43,465 Speaker 4: I don't have time to really do it every day, 53 00:02:43,505 --> 00:02:46,985 Speaker 4: but I definitely think I do it more intuitively. And 54 00:02:47,465 --> 00:02:49,385 Speaker 4: if I'm not feeling what I'm wearing, I will run 55 00:02:49,425 --> 00:02:50,185 Speaker 4: back inside and change. 56 00:02:50,225 --> 00:02:51,745 Speaker 1: It's kind of a running joke that, like. 57 00:02:51,945 --> 00:02:54,065 Speaker 4: I will have something on walking around the house and 58 00:02:54,105 --> 00:02:55,625 Speaker 4: then just before we're about to walk out the door, 59 00:02:55,665 --> 00:02:55,985 Speaker 4: I change. 60 00:02:56,105 --> 00:02:57,905 Speaker 2: I do too, because I'm like, I loved this dress 61 00:02:57,905 --> 00:02:59,185 Speaker 2: a few weeks ago when I last saw it, but 62 00:02:59,185 --> 00:03:00,305 Speaker 2: it's not me right now. 63 00:03:00,185 --> 00:03:00,905 Speaker 3: Yes, it's not me. 64 00:03:01,065 --> 00:03:02,905 Speaker 1: We change. We're allowed to, exactly. 65 00:03:03,105 --> 00:03:06,825 Speaker 2: So do you know is there psychology attached to different colors, like, 66 00:03:06,865 --> 00:03:09,625 Speaker 2: for example, can you explain how we're affected by yellow 67 00:03:09,785 --> 00:03:11,025 Speaker 2: and pink and all that jazz? 68 00:03:11,425 --> 00:03:14,585 Speaker 4: There is studies where they've talked about dopamine dressing, which is, 69 00:03:15,225 --> 00:03:18,705 Speaker 4: you know, referencing brighter colors like pinks and yellows and 70 00:03:18,905 --> 00:03:22,065 Speaker 4: shades of green that do kind of encourage the body 71 00:03:22,105 --> 00:03:25,505 Speaker 4: to release a little bit more dopamine and serotonin. In 72 00:03:25,585 --> 00:03:27,865 Speaker 4: saying that, I think it's just pretty logical as well, 73 00:03:27,905 --> 00:03:30,065 Speaker 4: Like even if we're considering the rooms that we're in 74 00:03:30,105 --> 00:03:32,145 Speaker 4: and the spaces that we're in, you know, we are 75 00:03:32,265 --> 00:03:35,265 Speaker 4: always trying to set up like ambient atmospheres no matter 76 00:03:35,465 --> 00:03:37,945 Speaker 4: where we are, and so colors are really important for that. 77 00:03:38,025 --> 00:03:39,985 Speaker 1: They do channel different energy. 78 00:03:40,105 --> 00:03:42,105 Speaker 2: I think this might be a bit of a silly question, 79 00:03:42,145 --> 00:03:43,825 Speaker 2: but what if you don't like one of those colors? 80 00:03:43,945 --> 00:03:46,105 Speaker 3: What if you're not into the color? Do you reckon? 81 00:03:46,105 --> 00:03:47,665 Speaker 3: The psychology still works. 82 00:03:47,985 --> 00:03:50,745 Speaker 4: I don't know if anyone's never not into a color, 83 00:03:50,785 --> 00:03:52,425 Speaker 4: I just think that they don't know how to wear 84 00:03:52,425 --> 00:03:54,625 Speaker 4: it yet. Yeah, you know, I think that there is 85 00:03:54,665 --> 00:03:57,185 Speaker 4: a way that everyone can wear all different shades, and 86 00:03:57,185 --> 00:03:59,625 Speaker 4: it just matters what you pair it with and what 87 00:03:59,705 --> 00:04:03,385 Speaker 4: you contrast it with. If you're not into pinks and yellows, 88 00:04:03,545 --> 00:04:07,265 Speaker 4: that's fine. You can wear more cooling, soothing colors like 89 00:04:07,345 --> 00:04:08,785 Speaker 4: blues and purples. 90 00:04:09,065 --> 00:04:09,305 Speaker 2: I know. 91 00:04:09,385 --> 00:04:10,665 Speaker 1: I I didn't. 92 00:04:10,385 --> 00:04:12,785 Speaker 4: Really ever think that I had a favorite color until 93 00:04:13,025 --> 00:04:15,825 Speaker 4: one day I was kind of coordinating my wardrobe by colors, 94 00:04:15,825 --> 00:04:18,065 Speaker 4: and I just had all this lilac and it was 95 00:04:18,225 --> 00:04:20,985 Speaker 4: never a conscious choice. Yeah, so I must find that 96 00:04:21,105 --> 00:04:22,985 Speaker 4: to be some kind of soothing color of. 97 00:04:22,945 --> 00:04:24,345 Speaker 3: Your destraw into it. It's funny. 98 00:04:24,345 --> 00:04:25,665 Speaker 2: Out of a couple of weeks ago, I went to a 99 00:04:25,665 --> 00:04:30,025 Speaker 2: surprise fortieth and the husband organizing has said, wear some green. 100 00:04:30,145 --> 00:04:31,585 Speaker 3: I was like, I don't have me grain. And then 101 00:04:31,585 --> 00:04:31,945 Speaker 3: I went to my. 102 00:04:32,025 --> 00:04:33,585 Speaker 2: Dresses and I was like, oh wow, I have like 103 00:04:33,665 --> 00:04:36,225 Speaker 2: fifteen green dresses. Yeah, I do, and it's obviously a 104 00:04:36,225 --> 00:04:37,865 Speaker 2: color I really like. So that's interesting. 105 00:04:37,905 --> 00:04:40,305 Speaker 4: I think you gravitate towards what you like and what 106 00:04:40,545 --> 00:04:42,105 Speaker 4: maybe channels a better energy. 107 00:04:42,345 --> 00:04:44,585 Speaker 2: Yeah, what makes you feel good? I wonder if it 108 00:04:44,625 --> 00:04:46,865 Speaker 2: works just looking at someone, Like, if you're wearing head 109 00:04:46,865 --> 00:04:48,865 Speaker 2: to sow yellow, do I get the dopamine just looking 110 00:04:48,865 --> 00:04:49,105 Speaker 2: at you? 111 00:04:49,345 --> 00:04:50,825 Speaker 4: As you know, I live in barn bas so I'm 112 00:04:50,825 --> 00:04:54,065 Speaker 4: pretty woo woo adjacent. I mean, I do believe in 113 00:04:54,105 --> 00:04:57,545 Speaker 4: auras and like the energy that someone's giving off. And 114 00:04:57,585 --> 00:04:59,065 Speaker 4: I think that we can see a whole bunch of 115 00:04:59,065 --> 00:05:01,145 Speaker 4: things that we can't really put our finger on. 116 00:05:01,185 --> 00:05:02,785 Speaker 2: It's sometimes you're in the office, someone will walk in 117 00:05:02,825 --> 00:05:04,865 Speaker 2: wearing a vibrant thing, I'm like, Oh, that's so joyful. 118 00:05:04,865 --> 00:05:06,465 Speaker 2: It lifts my mood and I'm not even wearing it. 119 00:05:06,545 --> 00:05:08,985 Speaker 4: Yeah, totally, And I think that's it, Like our eyes 120 00:05:08,985 --> 00:05:11,745 Speaker 4: are always going to be attracted to the colorful. Whether 121 00:05:11,785 --> 00:05:13,905 Speaker 4: we're all comfortable enough to wear it, I think we 122 00:05:13,985 --> 00:05:15,385 Speaker 4: definitely can appreciate it. 123 00:05:15,465 --> 00:05:19,225 Speaker 2: Okay, So I love this philosophy. I want to incorporate it. 124 00:05:20,025 --> 00:05:22,185 Speaker 2: A lot of my wardrobe's neutral. I'm getting into colours. 125 00:05:22,185 --> 00:05:24,265 Speaker 2: But what if we're having just to run around doing 126 00:05:24,345 --> 00:05:26,105 Speaker 2: the chores tracksuit kind of day. 127 00:05:26,345 --> 00:05:28,505 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a feeling too. That's like you're 128 00:05:28,505 --> 00:05:32,105 Speaker 4: obviously channeling being comfortable. You want to have a little 129 00:05:32,145 --> 00:05:34,945 Speaker 4: bit more of an easy, relaxed feeling again, like you 130 00:05:35,025 --> 00:05:38,745 Speaker 4: can work your outfit. It depends on the accents and 131 00:05:38,745 --> 00:05:42,185 Speaker 4: things like that that maybe you're putting together. I all 132 00:05:42,185 --> 00:05:44,065 Speaker 4: of a sudden had a lot of bone and sand 133 00:05:44,225 --> 00:05:48,185 Speaker 4: and beige during the pandemic in my tracksuits because we 134 00:05:48,185 --> 00:05:50,545 Speaker 4: were at home, and that's when loungewear really took off. Yes, 135 00:05:50,705 --> 00:05:52,425 Speaker 4: so I feel like a lot of people and then 136 00:05:52,465 --> 00:05:55,465 Speaker 4: coming out of the post pandemic era into all the 137 00:05:55,465 --> 00:05:58,065 Speaker 4: colors that were on the runway and barbicore, And in 138 00:05:58,145 --> 00:05:59,985 Speaker 4: saying that, I think you can lounge around in whatever 139 00:06:00,025 --> 00:06:01,225 Speaker 4: color that you're feeling. 140 00:06:01,665 --> 00:06:04,025 Speaker 2: It's also I think just thinking about it, like I 141 00:06:04,065 --> 00:06:06,625 Speaker 2: walk into a store and I go need new active wear. 142 00:06:06,705 --> 00:06:09,305 Speaker 2: Types must be black, liggings, gray mile for active wear. 143 00:06:09,345 --> 00:06:11,825 Speaker 2: But silly, I'm missing out on so many great colors. 144 00:06:12,065 --> 00:06:13,585 Speaker 2: It's not in my head. I don't even head to 145 00:06:13,625 --> 00:06:17,065 Speaker 2: that section, but I would love some lie like activewear. 146 00:06:17,305 --> 00:06:20,625 Speaker 4: Well, I think you'll notice as well. We are very suggestible, 147 00:06:20,905 --> 00:06:23,105 Speaker 4: like if you've ever seen a magician or like you know, 148 00:06:23,185 --> 00:06:26,305 Speaker 4: David Blaine. Even though I'm not really into magicians, they 149 00:06:26,385 --> 00:06:28,785 Speaker 4: can do things to our mind that makes it suggestible 150 00:06:28,825 --> 00:06:30,865 Speaker 4: to us. So if you want something gray male, it's 151 00:06:30,905 --> 00:06:32,825 Speaker 4: because you've been seeing it somewhere, Like you know, it 152 00:06:32,825 --> 00:06:36,345 Speaker 4: doesn't just come from really nowhere. And you know that's 153 00:06:36,425 --> 00:06:39,105 Speaker 4: why kind of window shopping is a really powerful tool. 154 00:06:39,505 --> 00:06:41,625 Speaker 4: And all of that VM that you see when you're 155 00:06:41,665 --> 00:06:43,665 Speaker 4: walking past them, all all of a sudden you come 156 00:06:43,665 --> 00:06:45,345 Speaker 4: out with twenty million things that you're. 157 00:06:45,145 --> 00:06:46,985 Speaker 3: Like, WHOA, what did I just do it? I liked 158 00:06:46,985 --> 00:06:47,905 Speaker 3: peach And. 159 00:06:47,825 --> 00:06:50,465 Speaker 1: That's all your emotions just being intercepted. 160 00:06:50,785 --> 00:06:54,025 Speaker 2: So it took me almost decades, many decades, late thirties 161 00:06:54,025 --> 00:06:56,105 Speaker 2: to get into color. I was like, navy was a 162 00:06:56,105 --> 00:06:58,825 Speaker 2: bold color for me until recently, and then I just 163 00:06:59,465 --> 00:07:00,145 Speaker 2: went for it. 164 00:07:00,265 --> 00:07:01,385 Speaker 3: I just bought color. 165 00:07:01,545 --> 00:07:02,345 Speaker 1: Does it feel better? 166 00:07:02,705 --> 00:07:04,665 Speaker 2: Yes, it's so exciting. I don't want to be her 167 00:07:04,705 --> 00:07:07,425 Speaker 2: every day. Sometimes Oh well I'm wearing a bright top today, actually, 168 00:07:07,465 --> 00:07:10,025 Speaker 2: but this is Yeah. Sometimes I go for my monome. 169 00:07:10,265 --> 00:07:12,665 Speaker 2: Sometimes I go for an all block, you know, white 170 00:07:12,705 --> 00:07:16,065 Speaker 2: or black or gray. But what are your suggestions if 171 00:07:16,065 --> 00:07:18,905 Speaker 2: someone's like, yeah, color sounds exciting. I want to feel 172 00:07:18,905 --> 00:07:21,265 Speaker 2: happy by what I wear? How do they start? 173 00:07:21,425 --> 00:07:25,665 Speaker 4: So often when even scrolling Instagram or any social media 174 00:07:25,705 --> 00:07:29,625 Speaker 4: really you can kind of pick up on people's styles 175 00:07:29,625 --> 00:07:32,585 Speaker 4: that you like. And I think that the saved collection 176 00:07:32,905 --> 00:07:36,985 Speaker 4: is a really underused file in your kind of social 177 00:07:37,025 --> 00:07:41,025 Speaker 4: media ammunition when it comes to collating stuff that you 178 00:07:41,145 --> 00:07:43,025 Speaker 4: actually see. 179 00:07:42,905 --> 00:07:44,065 Speaker 1: And it resonates with you. 180 00:07:44,545 --> 00:07:47,545 Speaker 4: And so I just think, scroll through the gram HiT's 181 00:07:47,585 --> 00:07:50,145 Speaker 4: saved every time you see something that you like, and 182 00:07:50,145 --> 00:07:51,705 Speaker 4: then go back and look at it and you can 183 00:07:51,785 --> 00:07:55,585 Speaker 4: kind of curate. Okay, I'm clearly gravitating towards this and 184 00:07:55,625 --> 00:07:57,625 Speaker 4: that and this and that, and you know, it doesn't 185 00:07:57,625 --> 00:08:01,265 Speaker 4: have to be like a rainbow vomited on you, and 186 00:08:01,305 --> 00:08:05,185 Speaker 4: it doesn't have to be sparkles everywhere. But I think 187 00:08:05,225 --> 00:08:08,065 Speaker 4: that you can kind of just very slowly pick sort 188 00:08:08,065 --> 00:08:12,625 Speaker 4: of style icons that embrace color and shape and texture 189 00:08:13,105 --> 00:08:16,705 Speaker 4: and see where maybe you can land appropriating that. 190 00:08:16,905 --> 00:08:18,345 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I love what you said at the start 191 00:08:18,385 --> 00:08:20,225 Speaker 2: about people think they can't wear a certain color. But 192 00:08:20,265 --> 00:08:22,025 Speaker 2: like I was like that with yellow, and then I 193 00:08:22,065 --> 00:08:24,145 Speaker 2: went and tried on, like you know, there's mustard. 194 00:08:24,145 --> 00:08:24,785 Speaker 3: These are true. 195 00:08:24,865 --> 00:08:26,905 Speaker 2: There's so many different types of yellows, and then I 196 00:08:26,985 --> 00:08:28,865 Speaker 2: found the yellows that worked for me, and now it's 197 00:08:28,905 --> 00:08:31,265 Speaker 2: one of my favorite colors. But it's not canary yellow 198 00:08:31,265 --> 00:08:32,985 Speaker 2: for me. There's kind of ones at either end of 199 00:08:33,025 --> 00:08:35,545 Speaker 2: the spectrum. So go to a store, try a bunch 200 00:08:35,545 --> 00:08:38,545 Speaker 2: of stuff on. Like, if you're not drawn to that color, fine, 201 00:08:38,545 --> 00:08:40,425 Speaker 2: because maybe your emotions don't like it. But if you're like, oh, 202 00:08:40,465 --> 00:08:42,785 Speaker 2: I'm curious, but doesn't suit my skin tone, just wak 203 00:08:42,825 --> 00:08:43,625 Speaker 2: it on and see how you go. 204 00:08:43,705 --> 00:08:46,785 Speaker 4: Well totally, and also allow yourself to change, like you know, 205 00:08:46,905 --> 00:08:49,025 Speaker 4: don't stunt yourself. And this is my style and this 206 00:08:49,065 --> 00:08:51,785 Speaker 4: is how it's going to be forever. Like your hairstyle changes, 207 00:08:52,105 --> 00:08:54,185 Speaker 4: so like maybe you couldn't wear yellow if you were 208 00:08:54,465 --> 00:08:57,105 Speaker 4: more of a grassy blonde at some point in your life. 209 00:08:57,225 --> 00:08:59,185 Speaker 4: But then you know, ten years later, you've changed your 210 00:08:59,185 --> 00:09:02,385 Speaker 4: hair color, you've softened your shapes, change whatever, and then 211 00:09:02,385 --> 00:09:05,825 Speaker 4: all of a sudden, you've discovered this whole avenue of 212 00:09:05,865 --> 00:09:08,545 Speaker 4: clothing that you'd kind of written off. And I think 213 00:09:08,665 --> 00:09:12,545 Speaker 4: that's the thing. Don't just peak once, like always beIN 214 00:09:12,705 --> 00:09:14,425 Speaker 4: not a law that you've set for yourself. You can 215 00:09:14,545 --> 00:09:17,065 Speaker 4: change your mind absolutely, and you're allowed to change the 216 00:09:17,105 --> 00:09:19,305 Speaker 4: way you dress, even if it's just like incrementally. 217 00:09:29,145 --> 00:09:31,625 Speaker 2: Okay, So does it go beyond colors? Do you think 218 00:09:31,865 --> 00:09:34,625 Speaker 2: where else can we get sort of our dopamine hit 219 00:09:34,665 --> 00:09:35,505 Speaker 2: from our wardrobe? 220 00:09:35,825 --> 00:09:36,105 Speaker 1: Yeah? 221 00:09:36,145 --> 00:09:38,185 Speaker 4: I do think it goes beyond colors. I mean, there's 222 00:09:38,305 --> 00:09:42,225 Speaker 4: such a thing as sentimental dressing, whether it's a band, 223 00:09:42,265 --> 00:09:45,585 Speaker 4: T shirt or I think, especially now being in my 224 00:09:45,625 --> 00:09:47,625 Speaker 4: mid thirties, I can look back and see you when 225 00:09:47,665 --> 00:09:50,945 Speaker 4: things were swung back around, and there's that nostalgic feeling 226 00:09:51,025 --> 00:09:54,665 Speaker 4: for like, okay, platforms, but then there's also sentimental items 227 00:09:54,665 --> 00:09:57,385 Speaker 4: that you can wear, and I think that everyone can 228 00:09:57,825 --> 00:10:00,625 Speaker 4: more so relate to this when you think of something 229 00:10:00,665 --> 00:10:02,585 Speaker 4: like a couple of years ago, my father passed away 230 00:10:02,865 --> 00:10:06,305 Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, we were all walking around 231 00:10:06,305 --> 00:10:08,545 Speaker 4: the house in his clothes. Yeah, five of us kids 232 00:10:08,585 --> 00:10:10,545 Speaker 4: just roaming around, and it was a really unsaid thing. 233 00:10:11,025 --> 00:10:15,905 Speaker 4: And that's a really powerful way that dressing and clothes 234 00:10:16,025 --> 00:10:17,705 Speaker 4: can kind of carry a lot of meaning. 235 00:10:17,865 --> 00:10:19,665 Speaker 2: I so agree. I sleep in one of my dad's 236 00:10:19,665 --> 00:10:20,545 Speaker 2: T shirts every night. 237 00:10:20,705 --> 00:10:21,705 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's. 238 00:10:21,585 --> 00:10:24,745 Speaker 4: Really common for someone to want to just keep something 239 00:10:24,785 --> 00:10:27,545 Speaker 4: physical that they can actually put on, and again, it's soothing. 240 00:10:27,785 --> 00:10:28,065 Speaker 1: Yeah. 241 00:10:28,305 --> 00:10:30,065 Speaker 2: And my mum had this I have it now, this 242 00:10:30,185 --> 00:10:33,905 Speaker 2: most amazing floral seventies dress that when I watched her 243 00:10:33,945 --> 00:10:35,385 Speaker 2: get ready when I was at I was like, she's 244 00:10:35,465 --> 00:10:38,385 Speaker 2: a princess. And then I kept it and then I 245 00:10:38,465 --> 00:10:39,945 Speaker 2: just happened to choose to wear it one day. I 246 00:10:39,985 --> 00:10:41,945 Speaker 2: was twenty weeks pregnant, and that's when my husband and 247 00:10:41,945 --> 00:10:43,305 Speaker 2: I kind of had our first like photos and I 248 00:10:43,385 --> 00:10:45,585 Speaker 2: was obviously pregnant, and then to look at those photos 249 00:10:45,625 --> 00:10:47,105 Speaker 2: and I'm wearing my mum's dress and it was such 250 00:10:47,145 --> 00:10:49,425 Speaker 2: a beautiful time. I will never like I would rescue 251 00:10:49,425 --> 00:10:51,025 Speaker 2: that dress from a house fire. 252 00:10:51,185 --> 00:10:52,985 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so special. 253 00:10:52,705 --> 00:10:55,425 Speaker 4: Exactly, and like, you know, it carries more meaning than 254 00:10:55,465 --> 00:10:57,745 Speaker 4: just the fabric or the brand or you know, how 255 00:10:57,785 --> 00:11:00,025 Speaker 4: it fits and looks, it's how it actually feels on you. 256 00:11:00,105 --> 00:11:03,265 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, Okay, I want to talk about the mind 257 00:11:03,425 --> 00:11:08,185 Speaker 2: field that is body positivity. Dressing to accentuate your curves 258 00:11:08,425 --> 00:11:12,225 Speaker 2: comes easy to but it's also deeply triggering for others, 259 00:11:12,265 --> 00:11:15,225 Speaker 2: depending on their relationship with their body. So do you 260 00:11:15,305 --> 00:11:19,065 Speaker 2: think embracing dopamine dressing can help in these situations? 261 00:11:19,305 --> 00:11:19,985 Speaker 1: I do think so. 262 00:11:20,105 --> 00:11:22,025 Speaker 4: I think if you are feeling a little bit low, 263 00:11:22,585 --> 00:11:25,145 Speaker 4: you can put on a brighter color, or you can 264 00:11:25,185 --> 00:11:28,625 Speaker 4: just challenge yourself with the way something fits and just see, 265 00:11:28,705 --> 00:11:30,105 Speaker 4: you know, walk out the door and just see how 266 00:11:30,145 --> 00:11:32,465 Speaker 4: it feels, you know. And I'm not a fan of 267 00:11:33,105 --> 00:11:36,905 Speaker 4: that toxic body positivity, you know, where you can't acknowledge 268 00:11:36,985 --> 00:11:38,785 Speaker 4: having an off day or like, hey, I'm just not 269 00:11:38,825 --> 00:11:41,185 Speaker 4: really feeling how big my boobs are, or you know, 270 00:11:41,265 --> 00:11:43,105 Speaker 4: lost a bit of weight and I'm just not knowing 271 00:11:43,145 --> 00:11:46,945 Speaker 4: how to dress my shape right now. And that's really 272 00:11:47,105 --> 00:11:50,065 Speaker 4: normal and natural, and so you should then be more 273 00:11:50,105 --> 00:11:52,745 Speaker 4: than ever channeling the way that your clothes are making 274 00:11:52,785 --> 00:11:53,585 Speaker 4: you feel. 275 00:11:53,385 --> 00:11:56,425 Speaker 3: Yes, and it doesn't matter if it's black or rainbow. 276 00:11:56,585 --> 00:11:56,865 Speaker 1: Yeah. 277 00:11:56,865 --> 00:11:59,825 Speaker 4: And also ignoring the size tags yeah, you know, and 278 00:11:59,945 --> 00:12:01,865 Speaker 4: just really noticing the fit and the feeling. 279 00:12:02,105 --> 00:12:04,705 Speaker 2: That's why I sometimes love thrift shopping or vintage shopping 280 00:12:04,745 --> 00:12:06,265 Speaker 2: because there isn't a size. You just put it on 281 00:12:06,265 --> 00:12:08,025 Speaker 2: a go I love this, and you don't know if 282 00:12:08,065 --> 00:12:10,505 Speaker 2: it's four or fourteen or whatever. Who can And it's like, 283 00:12:10,825 --> 00:12:12,945 Speaker 2: I mean, I know we need the sizing and particularly 284 00:12:13,025 --> 00:12:15,905 Speaker 2: online shopping, but sometimes people get so stuck on that 285 00:12:15,985 --> 00:12:18,545 Speaker 2: number that an item they might love they don't want 286 00:12:18,545 --> 00:12:21,025 Speaker 2: to buy because it's a number that doesn't speak. 287 00:12:20,785 --> 00:12:21,545 Speaker 1: To them totally. 288 00:12:21,545 --> 00:12:23,825 Speaker 4: And I also believe that, like, you can wear something 289 00:12:23,945 --> 00:12:25,825 Speaker 4: outside of size. And I know there's some things that 290 00:12:25,865 --> 00:12:29,265 Speaker 4: I wear that are much smaller than what my measurements say, 291 00:12:29,625 --> 00:12:31,905 Speaker 4: but I don't mind. I'm like, let it spill. Yeah, 292 00:12:32,025 --> 00:12:33,745 Speaker 4: it doesn't get it, It doesn't bother me. 293 00:12:33,905 --> 00:12:34,145 Speaker 3: Yeah. 294 00:12:34,265 --> 00:12:37,065 Speaker 2: So you're positive, but not toxically body positive. And there 295 00:12:37,105 --> 00:12:37,905 Speaker 2: is a line, and. 296 00:12:37,905 --> 00:12:41,825 Speaker 4: I think on that note of body positivity, and especially 297 00:12:41,865 --> 00:12:43,705 Speaker 4: when it comes to gym gear and stuff like that, well, 298 00:12:43,785 --> 00:12:47,545 Speaker 4: I'm not someone who really falls for those slogan shirts that. 299 00:12:47,545 --> 00:12:50,625 Speaker 1: Are like I don't sweat. I sparkle, you. 300 00:12:50,585 --> 00:12:53,625 Speaker 4: Know, I find them kind of painful to look at. 301 00:12:53,705 --> 00:12:55,185 Speaker 4: But you don't need to listen to me. That's not 302 00:12:55,585 --> 00:12:58,065 Speaker 4: for me. If that means that it makes you work 303 00:12:58,105 --> 00:13:02,065 Speaker 4: out harder, it channels a kind of thriving energy inside 304 00:13:02,065 --> 00:13:02,985 Speaker 4: of your go for it. 305 00:13:03,385 --> 00:13:04,505 Speaker 1: It's your time. 306 00:13:04,705 --> 00:13:06,945 Speaker 3: Yeah, where your dopeamine slogan on your T shirt? 307 00:13:07,105 --> 00:13:07,705 Speaker 1: Exactly. 308 00:13:08,305 --> 00:13:10,705 Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about season or in summer right now, 309 00:13:10,705 --> 00:13:12,705 Speaker 2: which kind of just generally gives us more options in 310 00:13:12,785 --> 00:13:16,025 Speaker 2: terms of fun and colors and patterns. How do you 311 00:13:16,145 --> 00:13:18,625 Speaker 2: personally or how do you suggest we bring joy to 312 00:13:18,665 --> 00:13:21,585 Speaker 2: our wardrobe in the colder months, the darker months when 313 00:13:21,585 --> 00:13:22,945 Speaker 2: we just want to wear a black coat. 314 00:13:23,185 --> 00:13:26,705 Speaker 4: Again, it's just about popping color somewhere where it's a 315 00:13:26,825 --> 00:13:28,585 Speaker 4: colorful beanie. I know when I lived in New York 316 00:13:28,585 --> 00:13:30,465 Speaker 4: and it would be snowing and all you'd have is 317 00:13:30,545 --> 00:13:33,625 Speaker 4: just puffer jackets. But I knew like I could wear 318 00:13:33,625 --> 00:13:35,545 Speaker 4: something just with a pop of color, like a beanie 319 00:13:35,625 --> 00:13:39,305 Speaker 4: or a scarf, or even if your undies a colorful. 320 00:13:39,265 --> 00:13:43,545 Speaker 3: You know, yeah, well someone's mind, yeah exactly. 321 00:13:43,625 --> 00:13:45,985 Speaker 4: But you feel like you feel sexy on the inside, 322 00:13:46,065 --> 00:13:47,545 Speaker 4: and that's what matters right for me. 323 00:13:47,625 --> 00:13:50,185 Speaker 2: For winter, it's also about textures because I just I'm 324 00:13:50,225 --> 00:13:51,945 Speaker 2: not a winter girl. I don't like it, and so 325 00:13:51,985 --> 00:13:54,665 Speaker 2: I normally just throw on whatever. But then if I 326 00:13:54,705 --> 00:13:57,825 Speaker 2: actually kind of add interest with textures, that makes me happy. 327 00:13:57,865 --> 00:13:59,865 Speaker 2: And I know it's not that bright dopamine dressing, but 328 00:13:59,905 --> 00:14:02,385 Speaker 2: it's that effort that I'm putting in in a season 329 00:14:02,385 --> 00:14:04,065 Speaker 2: that I can't really be bothered and I'm like, oh, 330 00:14:04,145 --> 00:14:07,825 Speaker 2: look at my textured layers. I'm so you know, stylish that. 331 00:14:07,905 --> 00:14:09,145 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. And that's the thing. 332 00:14:09,185 --> 00:14:12,465 Speaker 4: Some text just bring even more of an elegant, elevated feeling, 333 00:14:12,625 --> 00:14:14,065 Speaker 4: Like you know, if you're going to wear something like 334 00:14:14,425 --> 00:14:17,465 Speaker 4: one hundred wool or cashmere or you know, some type 335 00:14:17,505 --> 00:14:20,145 Speaker 4: of cable cable, I mean, you always feel like you 336 00:14:20,385 --> 00:14:22,825 Speaker 4: belong at like a Kennedy family. 337 00:14:24,425 --> 00:14:25,945 Speaker 3: Or at least at the golf club. 338 00:14:26,665 --> 00:14:30,625 Speaker 2: Let's help some corporates or those in a uniform, because 339 00:14:30,665 --> 00:14:33,265 Speaker 2: this is hard. These are the type of people that 340 00:14:33,305 --> 00:14:36,385 Speaker 2: often can't lean into color the way we've been discussing, 341 00:14:36,505 --> 00:14:40,665 Speaker 2: or even sentimental items unless they're sentimental undies. What can 342 00:14:40,705 --> 00:14:43,425 Speaker 2: women do to find joy in their clothing if they're 343 00:14:43,505 --> 00:14:45,745 Speaker 2: kind of restricted by what they have to wear. 344 00:14:46,345 --> 00:14:48,545 Speaker 4: Well, I think for something like this, you know, you 345 00:14:48,585 --> 00:14:50,465 Speaker 4: do want to still express yourself if you have to 346 00:14:50,505 --> 00:14:53,265 Speaker 4: wear a uniform every day, and some uniforms are just 347 00:14:53,345 --> 00:14:56,705 Speaker 4: so unflattering or they just don't feel like you. But 348 00:14:56,865 --> 00:15:00,545 Speaker 4: I think if there's room to accessorize, you can do that. 349 00:15:00,825 --> 00:15:03,465 Speaker 4: You know, even if I think about when I went 350 00:15:03,465 --> 00:15:06,425 Speaker 4: to school, like I wear my socks up, ye, and 351 00:15:06,785 --> 00:15:08,145 Speaker 4: if I could get away with it, I wear a 352 00:15:08,185 --> 00:15:10,825 Speaker 4: little bit of jewelry, you know, with just matching ring, 353 00:15:10,985 --> 00:15:14,465 Speaker 4: with a matching necklace or earring or whatever, just channeling something. 354 00:15:14,385 --> 00:15:15,945 Speaker 1: Could think like pearls. 355 00:15:16,145 --> 00:15:18,065 Speaker 4: If you've got to wear something all black, it's kind 356 00:15:18,105 --> 00:15:21,145 Speaker 4: of like really elevating that uniform. 357 00:15:20,825 --> 00:15:23,425 Speaker 3: And make it, I guess your own. I also think. 358 00:15:23,465 --> 00:15:25,065 Speaker 2: I mean, I worked at David Jones in the shoe 359 00:15:25,065 --> 00:15:28,265 Speaker 2: department many decades ago. It was black, and so I 360 00:15:28,265 --> 00:15:31,945 Speaker 2: would just go black and buy crappy, cheap what ifs, 361 00:15:32,105 --> 00:15:35,585 Speaker 2: And then I bought a few nice black pieces that well, 362 00:15:35,625 --> 00:15:37,505 Speaker 2: I guess kind of expensive for me at the time 363 00:15:37,545 --> 00:15:39,985 Speaker 2: and more elevated. And the times have all those two work. 364 00:15:40,105 --> 00:15:42,305 Speaker 2: I felt better, I had a better day, I was 365 00:15:42,345 --> 00:15:44,265 Speaker 2: more confident, and so it was just like, yeah, sure, 366 00:15:44,265 --> 00:15:46,945 Speaker 2: I'm restricted by the colors, but it's kind of just 367 00:15:47,065 --> 00:15:49,025 Speaker 2: caring in that moment because I was wearing it five 368 00:15:49,105 --> 00:15:50,865 Speaker 2: days a week. So what's the point of not caring 369 00:15:50,945 --> 00:15:51,665 Speaker 2: five days a week? 370 00:15:51,825 --> 00:15:52,545 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. 371 00:15:52,665 --> 00:15:54,785 Speaker 4: And I think shoes especially are something where you can 372 00:15:54,905 --> 00:15:57,825 Speaker 4: dress for the job that you want, you know, and 373 00:15:57,905 --> 00:15:59,945 Speaker 4: if you've spent a little bit of money and you've 374 00:15:59,985 --> 00:16:02,705 Speaker 4: saved up and there's something that you've chosen and that 375 00:16:02,785 --> 00:16:05,785 Speaker 4: you feel really proud of when you slip them on 376 00:16:05,865 --> 00:16:08,585 Speaker 4: and really comfortable, then that's kind of dressing for the 377 00:16:08,665 --> 00:16:11,425 Speaker 4: life that you want. And that's that channel is really 378 00:16:11,505 --> 00:16:14,345 Speaker 4: like emotions where you've kind of got that ambition inside. 379 00:16:14,425 --> 00:16:15,305 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're projecting. 380 00:16:15,465 --> 00:16:16,905 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love manifesting. 381 00:16:17,025 --> 00:16:31,145 Speaker 5: Manifesting it's very expensive. 382 00:16:31,985 --> 00:16:33,825 Speaker 1: How wondre these twenty five percent? 383 00:16:36,145 --> 00:16:40,465 Speaker 2: So we're talking happiness in clothing? What is your budget 384 00:16:40,505 --> 00:16:42,105 Speaker 2: dopamine dressing item? 385 00:16:42,545 --> 00:16:44,865 Speaker 4: Well, I know I've heard it on a podcast recently 386 00:16:44,945 --> 00:16:47,625 Speaker 4: that you guys threw shade on havyannas a little bit. 387 00:16:47,745 --> 00:16:50,785 Speaker 2: Oh, it wasn't actually me, It wasn't, well, it was 388 00:16:50,865 --> 00:16:52,705 Speaker 2: I was just asking Paul or if you could wear 389 00:16:52,745 --> 00:16:54,985 Speaker 2: them to like a wedding. But I love my brown 390 00:16:54,985 --> 00:16:55,905 Speaker 2: Havanas for the beat. 391 00:16:56,065 --> 00:16:57,385 Speaker 1: Well that brown, but that's what. 392 00:16:57,345 --> 00:16:57,905 Speaker 3: I was going to say. 393 00:16:57,945 --> 00:17:00,825 Speaker 4: Havannas are really I mean, they're not super cheap anymore. 394 00:17:00,825 --> 00:17:02,425 Speaker 1: They used to be really cheap when we were young. 395 00:17:02,505 --> 00:17:04,305 Speaker 3: They weren't that like fourteen dollars the day. 396 00:17:04,385 --> 00:17:05,545 Speaker 1: Yeah, they've kind of crept up. 397 00:17:05,545 --> 00:17:07,865 Speaker 4: But they're so colorful and there's lots of patterns, and 398 00:17:07,865 --> 00:17:09,785 Speaker 4: I'm going to say the Harbies are back that it's 399 00:17:09,825 --> 00:17:12,745 Speaker 4: a really easy way, especially for summer, to slip on 400 00:17:12,865 --> 00:17:16,705 Speaker 4: a little bit of color and play with something that's 401 00:17:17,145 --> 00:17:18,625 Speaker 4: you're not forcing it in an outfit. 402 00:17:18,785 --> 00:17:20,585 Speaker 2: Yes, and they're very functional. So if you have to 403 00:17:20,665 --> 00:17:22,985 Speaker 2: choose a havana color, what color are you wearing right now? 404 00:17:23,025 --> 00:17:27,785 Speaker 4: I'm wearing a white pear with a gold heavy symbol. 405 00:17:27,825 --> 00:17:30,585 Speaker 4: But then it's got what's like Hawaiian flowers on the block. 406 00:17:30,705 --> 00:17:34,265 Speaker 4: Oh cute, you are soap and viron. My budget is 407 00:17:34,345 --> 00:17:38,025 Speaker 4: a print on a relatively new collection so ATMSSON here 408 00:17:38,185 --> 00:17:41,865 Speaker 4: is an iconic brand and Tina, who has been on 409 00:17:41,905 --> 00:17:45,105 Speaker 4: this show before, she's actually designed a collection for this 410 00:17:45,225 --> 00:17:47,185 Speaker 4: brand and it's called the Bora Bora Print. 411 00:17:47,185 --> 00:17:49,065 Speaker 3: I'm going to show it to you. It comes in 412 00:17:49,105 --> 00:17:49,825 Speaker 3: that wrap skirt. 413 00:17:49,945 --> 00:17:50,545 Speaker 1: Oh stunning. 414 00:17:50,585 --> 00:17:51,345 Speaker 3: I imagine that on you. 415 00:17:51,385 --> 00:17:53,105 Speaker 2: And it also comes in sort of a mini with 416 00:17:53,145 --> 00:17:56,025 Speaker 2: a puffy sleeve, and it's just so joyful. It's like 417 00:17:56,065 --> 00:17:59,425 Speaker 2: a very bright apple green and then a pink and 418 00:17:59,465 --> 00:18:01,545 Speaker 2: a palm tree and it's very not me. 419 00:18:01,785 --> 00:18:04,825 Speaker 4: And those colors immediately channel holiday to me, don't they Like? 420 00:18:04,865 --> 00:18:06,745 Speaker 2: I just look at that and it makes me happy. 421 00:18:06,785 --> 00:18:08,425 Speaker 2: So I think I might get the dress in that. 422 00:18:08,625 --> 00:18:11,505 Speaker 2: It's a joyful nine ninety five, so affordable for an 423 00:18:11,585 --> 00:18:15,265 Speaker 2: item of clothing. All right, what's your bougie dopamine item. 424 00:18:15,585 --> 00:18:19,545 Speaker 1: It's not super bougie, but they're handmade bags that I'm 425 00:18:19,585 --> 00:18:20,145 Speaker 1: bringing out. 426 00:18:20,345 --> 00:18:22,625 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm so excited. You can talk about it. 427 00:18:22,905 --> 00:18:23,105 Speaker 5: Yeah. 428 00:18:23,345 --> 00:18:25,545 Speaker 4: So they're bill and bags and hopefully by the time 429 00:18:25,545 --> 00:18:28,945 Speaker 4: that this podcast has dropped or get a something is 430 00:18:29,025 --> 00:18:29,945 Speaker 4: the name of them? 431 00:18:30,145 --> 00:18:30,785 Speaker 3: What does that mean? 432 00:18:30,865 --> 00:18:31,905 Speaker 1: That means everything? 433 00:18:32,385 --> 00:18:35,265 Speaker 4: So it's talk pigeon, which is the kind of creole 434 00:18:35,345 --> 00:18:37,545 Speaker 4: language that we speak in Papua New Guinea. Yes, and 435 00:18:37,825 --> 00:18:41,545 Speaker 4: that for me is very sentimental because they're very colorful, 436 00:18:41,825 --> 00:18:46,505 Speaker 4: hand woven bags. There's beautiful women making them and they 437 00:18:46,585 --> 00:18:48,745 Speaker 4: kind of weave a lot of love into them and 438 00:18:48,785 --> 00:18:51,585 Speaker 4: it's just like a kind of cultural When I wear them, 439 00:18:51,625 --> 00:18:53,465 Speaker 4: I feel like it's a little bit of home with me. 440 00:18:53,745 --> 00:18:54,105 Speaker 3: Yeah. 441 00:18:54,145 --> 00:18:57,105 Speaker 2: Oh, that's happiness in so many ways. So if they're out, 442 00:18:57,305 --> 00:18:59,305 Speaker 2: we'll put a link in the show notes. If there's delays, 443 00:18:59,345 --> 00:19:01,385 Speaker 2: because I know how these things go having a small business, 444 00:19:01,585 --> 00:19:03,265 Speaker 2: how can people find out more about them? 445 00:19:03,505 --> 00:19:06,785 Speaker 4: Or get a dot something on Instagram or you can 446 00:19:06,825 --> 00:19:08,985 Speaker 4: just go to my Instagram. Because I'm spooking them a lot. 447 00:19:08,945 --> 00:19:10,705 Speaker 3: I'll just stalk. How much are they going to be? 448 00:19:10,905 --> 00:19:13,385 Speaker 4: Well, they're going to be a reasonable price point, I 449 00:19:13,385 --> 00:19:15,305 Speaker 4: would say, but they're definitely a little bit of a 450 00:19:15,305 --> 00:19:17,985 Speaker 4: splurge as a gift, and they're going to be around 451 00:19:18,025 --> 00:19:19,385 Speaker 4: the two hundred mark. 452 00:19:19,585 --> 00:19:22,865 Speaker 2: Oh for handmade. Hello, I'm going to have five. My 453 00:19:23,025 --> 00:19:26,105 Speaker 2: quick Bougie is an Alimee's dress that you can get 454 00:19:26,145 --> 00:19:29,185 Speaker 2: exclusively on Modes fourtieth. So the two powerhouses that is 455 00:19:29,225 --> 00:19:32,385 Speaker 2: Modes fourtief and alimes have done a collection. It's called 456 00:19:32,385 --> 00:19:35,425 Speaker 2: the Osma Bodice Dress in cream multi. 457 00:19:35,585 --> 00:19:36,025 Speaker 3: Look at this. 458 00:19:36,345 --> 00:19:39,185 Speaker 2: It's a fancy dress for the party season. I think peacocks, 459 00:19:39,185 --> 00:19:43,465 Speaker 2: I don't know. There's swells, there's blue, there's green, there's mustard. 460 00:19:43,505 --> 00:19:45,265 Speaker 1: There's very adlg Chevida. 461 00:19:45,345 --> 00:19:46,905 Speaker 3: Isn't it just so beautiful? 462 00:19:47,185 --> 00:19:49,145 Speaker 2: I'll wear it once, which is why I probably won't 463 00:19:49,145 --> 00:19:51,105 Speaker 2: buy it, but I will keep lusting after it. 464 00:19:51,105 --> 00:19:53,305 Speaker 3: It is also five hundred ninety five dollars, which is 465 00:19:53,345 --> 00:19:55,305 Speaker 3: probably why I will just admire it. 466 00:19:55,345 --> 00:19:57,505 Speaker 2: But it is just a fun festive dress, and I 467 00:19:57,505 --> 00:20:00,065 Speaker 2: feel like you can wear that to a wedding. It's 468 00:20:00,105 --> 00:20:02,145 Speaker 2: also a print that's not everywhere, so you could wear 469 00:20:02,145 --> 00:20:04,705 Speaker 2: it for seasons to come when it doesn't scream one 470 00:20:04,745 --> 00:20:05,545 Speaker 2: particular season. 471 00:20:05,665 --> 00:20:08,345 Speaker 4: Well sometimes as well. It's like keeping a formal dress 472 00:20:08,425 --> 00:20:10,345 Speaker 4: like that. You kind of tell me where it you 473 00:20:10,345 --> 00:20:11,825 Speaker 4: think of all the occasions that you wore at. 474 00:20:11,865 --> 00:20:15,625 Speaker 2: So again, sentimental Adama, Well, I think you've just convinced 475 00:20:15,625 --> 00:20:16,825 Speaker 2: me to spend six hundred dollars. 476 00:20:17,265 --> 00:20:18,745 Speaker 3: Jess, thank you so much for joining me. 477 00:20:18,785 --> 00:20:21,705 Speaker 2: As always, I love chatting to you about everything, particularly 478 00:20:21,745 --> 00:20:23,065 Speaker 2: happiness when it comes to clothes. 479 00:20:23,225 --> 00:20:25,865 Speaker 3: So thanks for joining me. 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