1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:11,424 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,744 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:20,584 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on. 5 00:00:21,464 --> 00:00:28,224 Speaker 3: From Mama Mia. Welcome to The Spill, your daily pop 6 00:00:28,264 --> 00:00:31,904 Speaker 3: culture fix. I'm m Burnham and I'm Laura Brodney and 7 00:00:32,024 --> 00:00:35,504 Speaker 3: on the show today. So much has happened when we 8 00:00:35,504 --> 00:00:38,424 Speaker 3: were doing our Hot Pod summer series with Blake Lively 9 00:00:38,504 --> 00:00:42,024 Speaker 3: and Justin Balderoni. Do not worry. We are breaking down 10 00:00:42,264 --> 00:00:45,224 Speaker 3: everything for you as well as some brand new allegations 11 00:00:45,224 --> 00:00:46,504 Speaker 3: that have just come out. 12 00:00:46,904 --> 00:00:50,024 Speaker 1: But first, but first, because we're going to have a 13 00:00:50,104 --> 00:00:52,424 Speaker 1: very intense, I think podcasts with all of these different 14 00:00:52,424 --> 00:00:55,944 Speaker 1: allegations and lawsuits and men who have done potentially bad things, 15 00:00:56,344 --> 00:00:58,424 Speaker 1: I thought i'd start us off on a little cozy note. 16 00:00:59,144 --> 00:01:03,584 Speaker 1: So this is a TV PSA that is very very important. Obviously, 17 00:01:03,664 --> 00:01:05,624 Speaker 1: each week on the Spill we talk about new releases 18 00:01:05,664 --> 00:01:07,584 Speaker 1: with we can watch, and we do have brilli honest 19 00:01:07,584 --> 00:01:10,184 Speaker 1: reviews where we're critiquing like brand new TV shows and 20 00:01:10,664 --> 00:01:12,704 Speaker 1: that have come out. But I think it's also important 21 00:01:12,704 --> 00:01:16,744 Speaker 1: to highlight when very important TV shows, especially TV shows 22 00:01:16,744 --> 00:01:20,504 Speaker 1: with multiple seasons, drop onto streaming services and people can 23 00:01:20,504 --> 00:01:21,664 Speaker 1: watch them for the first time. 24 00:01:21,944 --> 00:01:24,744 Speaker 3: Ah, I do love that. Oh, you know when you 25 00:01:24,864 --> 00:01:27,464 Speaker 3: like a kind of nostalgic for a TV show and 26 00:01:27,464 --> 00:01:29,624 Speaker 3: then you open up your Netflix account and then it's 27 00:01:29,664 --> 00:01:32,464 Speaker 3: like the first thing that you see. Yes, I love that. 28 00:01:32,584 --> 00:01:34,824 Speaker 1: There are some TV shows that, if they're not easily 29 00:01:34,864 --> 00:01:37,424 Speaker 1: accessible on a streamer, can be very difficult to watch. 30 00:01:37,704 --> 00:01:40,744 Speaker 1: And just before Christmas, I got a little personal gift 31 00:01:40,784 --> 00:01:44,544 Speaker 1: from Netflix when they dropped all six seasons of Parenthood, 32 00:01:44,904 --> 00:01:47,064 Speaker 1: one of my favorite shows of all time, on the 33 00:01:47,104 --> 00:01:50,384 Speaker 1: streaming platform because I forgot to post to socials all 34 00:01:50,384 --> 00:01:53,384 Speaker 1: of holidays, like I just forgot Instagram existed when we 35 00:01:53,464 --> 00:01:55,344 Speaker 1: came back. I love to take like a little photo 36 00:01:55,584 --> 00:01:57,304 Speaker 1: or like a video of my TV when I'm watching 37 00:01:57,304 --> 00:01:59,384 Speaker 1: stuff to share to people what I'm watching, because that's 38 00:01:59,424 --> 00:02:01,064 Speaker 1: like not a screen, that's what I'm choosing to watch 39 00:02:01,064 --> 00:02:03,984 Speaker 1: in my own time. That's very important. It can look 40 00:02:03,984 --> 00:02:05,584 Speaker 1: a little bit disturbing because I've got a lot of 41 00:02:05,584 --> 00:02:07,464 Speaker 1: flowers around my TV and I always have like ten 42 00:02:07,504 --> 00:02:09,824 Speaker 1: candles lit at all times, So if you look past that, 43 00:02:10,584 --> 00:02:12,784 Speaker 1: you can Yeah, I know, if you look past that, 44 00:02:12,984 --> 00:02:15,704 Speaker 1: you can see what I'm watching. And I put up 45 00:02:15,784 --> 00:02:18,904 Speaker 1: two Instagram stories about Parenthood finally being on Netflix. You 46 00:02:18,944 --> 00:02:22,944 Speaker 1: could watch it before on some like like TV streaming platforms, 47 00:02:22,944 --> 00:02:25,664 Speaker 1: but I just find that really hard because first of all, 48 00:02:25,704 --> 00:02:28,104 Speaker 1: not a lot of people have those streaming services, and 49 00:02:28,344 --> 00:02:30,264 Speaker 1: there's so many ads in there. It can be really 50 00:02:30,264 --> 00:02:32,784 Speaker 1: disjointed because the ads weren't where they were when the 51 00:02:32,824 --> 00:02:34,104 Speaker 1: show was on network. 52 00:02:33,824 --> 00:02:35,984 Speaker 3: TV, and it was hard to watch as well. 53 00:02:36,064 --> 00:02:38,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, it would lose my place. So now that's on Netflix, 54 00:02:38,504 --> 00:02:41,664 Speaker 1: it's like Christmas is just continuing because I'm watching one 55 00:02:41,704 --> 00:02:44,144 Speaker 1: of my favorite shows. So I put those Instagram stories up. 56 00:02:44,144 --> 00:02:45,664 Speaker 1: It's the point of that. And all of a sudden, 57 00:02:45,704 --> 00:02:50,624 Speaker 1: I was just inundated with messages from spillers saying that 58 00:02:50,704 --> 00:02:52,544 Speaker 1: it was their favorite show too, and they couldn't believe 59 00:02:52,544 --> 00:02:54,304 Speaker 1: it was on Netflix and they've started watching it again. 60 00:02:54,464 --> 00:02:57,064 Speaker 1: All messages from people saying, oh, I have never watched 61 00:02:57,104 --> 00:02:59,224 Speaker 1: the show before. I actually didn't even know what existed, 62 00:02:59,824 --> 00:03:01,504 Speaker 1: and now I'm watching it and I love it. So 63 00:03:01,664 --> 00:03:04,344 Speaker 1: I'm in now group chats about fifteen different people. Sorry everyone, 64 00:03:04,384 --> 00:03:05,704 Speaker 1: I haven't got back to, but there's a lot of 65 00:03:05,704 --> 00:03:08,144 Speaker 1: you that I'm talking to separately, and everyone's at different 66 00:03:08,144 --> 00:03:10,224 Speaker 1: parts of the show. So I'm like, oh, wait, I'm 67 00:03:10,464 --> 00:03:12,224 Speaker 1: going to say this this person because she's on season two, 68 00:03:12,264 --> 00:03:14,424 Speaker 1: but this other person's on season three. Anyway, that's my 69 00:03:14,464 --> 00:03:18,024 Speaker 1: personal So if you haven't watched parenthoods, then I thought 70 00:03:18,104 --> 00:03:20,464 Speaker 1: I should tell all the spillers because there's a little 71 00:03:20,504 --> 00:03:22,544 Speaker 1: subgroup of us on Instagram now who were like all 72 00:03:22,544 --> 00:03:23,504 Speaker 1: watching the show together. 73 00:03:23,824 --> 00:03:26,264 Speaker 3: You should make one of those broadcast channels and just 74 00:03:26,304 --> 00:03:27,504 Speaker 3: say Parenthood Chat. 75 00:03:27,744 --> 00:03:32,664 Speaker 1: Oh that sounds hard. Everything about what you just said, Okay, 76 00:03:32,664 --> 00:03:34,904 Speaker 1: But for anyone who hasn't watched you you haven't watched it. 77 00:03:34,904 --> 00:03:35,504 Speaker 3: I have watched it. 78 00:03:35,624 --> 00:03:36,624 Speaker 1: You have watched it. 79 00:03:36,664 --> 00:03:38,904 Speaker 3: I love that feet I watched it because my mom 80 00:03:39,024 --> 00:03:41,344 Speaker 3: watched it. Your mom and I have the same TV. 81 00:03:43,184 --> 00:03:45,304 Speaker 3: I should just send her all the recommendations you send me. 82 00:03:45,504 --> 00:03:47,944 Speaker 1: Yeah, me and Evelyn out here shaping pop culture. 83 00:03:48,104 --> 00:03:51,504 Speaker 3: She'd love that. She loved Parenthood and I'd watch it 84 00:03:51,544 --> 00:03:53,984 Speaker 3: when she was watching it. But I think a lot 85 00:03:54,024 --> 00:03:57,544 Speaker 3: of the reason why so many people missed it was 86 00:03:57,624 --> 00:04:00,424 Speaker 3: because it was I remember it being at a very 87 00:04:00,504 --> 00:04:03,384 Speaker 3: awkward time, and it was like kind of combating another 88 00:04:03,424 --> 00:04:05,504 Speaker 3: TV show that was on at the same time, and 89 00:04:05,544 --> 00:04:08,104 Speaker 3: I can't remember what it was on TV that everyone 90 00:04:08,144 --> 00:04:08,704 Speaker 3: else would like. 91 00:04:08,744 --> 00:04:10,784 Speaker 1: Well, it came out in twenty ten, I should say 92 00:04:10,784 --> 00:04:13,064 Speaker 1: it was on Austraine TV maybe all the way through. 93 00:04:13,104 --> 00:04:14,624 Speaker 1: I remember, like get I used to go get the 94 00:04:14,704 --> 00:04:16,704 Speaker 1: DVDs from the video shop, like after it had gone 95 00:04:16,744 --> 00:04:21,304 Speaker 1: off air. But it's basically just a really sweet family drama, 96 00:04:21,904 --> 00:04:24,664 Speaker 1: very wholesome, but just like very comforting and lovely to watch. 97 00:04:24,824 --> 00:04:26,624 Speaker 1: But it's I think it's the cast that makes it 98 00:04:26,704 --> 00:04:30,744 Speaker 1: so good. So it's about these parents living in Berkeley, 99 00:04:30,824 --> 00:04:33,984 Speaker 1: like in San Francisco, played by Bonnie Badillia and Craig 100 00:04:34,024 --> 00:04:37,264 Speaker 1: t Nelson, and they've got four adult kids. Peter Krause 101 00:04:37,544 --> 00:04:40,224 Speaker 1: plays the oldest son, and then Lauren Graham. It's the 102 00:04:40,224 --> 00:04:43,504 Speaker 1: first big TV show that she did after Gilmore Girls, 103 00:04:43,544 --> 00:04:46,104 Speaker 1: and she's so good in it. It's Dak Shepherd's big 104 00:04:46,144 --> 00:04:48,024 Speaker 1: acting role. It's so weird to see him now because 105 00:04:48,064 --> 00:04:49,904 Speaker 1: we know him so well from I forgot. 106 00:04:49,584 --> 00:04:50,064 Speaker 3: He was in there. 107 00:04:50,064 --> 00:04:53,184 Speaker 1: And he's like the younger like, yeah, he's like the 108 00:04:53,264 --> 00:04:56,544 Speaker 1: kind of loose rocker brother who finds out he has 109 00:04:56,584 --> 00:04:59,944 Speaker 1: a son. And Julia, the younger sister, played by Erica Christensen. 110 00:05:00,304 --> 00:05:02,704 Speaker 1: So there's four adult siblings and it's just about their 111 00:05:02,864 --> 00:05:05,504 Speaker 1: families and their kids and their relationships, and it's just 112 00:05:05,664 --> 00:05:09,304 Speaker 1: really lovely, comforting watch, Like the cast is so incredible, 113 00:05:09,544 --> 00:05:11,024 Speaker 1: and I think for so much many people they just 114 00:05:11,064 --> 00:05:13,104 Speaker 1: say it is their favorite show because is this really 115 00:05:13,144 --> 00:05:17,784 Speaker 1: comforting thing to watch. And some family dramas like Brothers 116 00:05:17,784 --> 00:05:19,624 Speaker 1: and Sisters, maybe that's the show you're thinking about, came 117 00:05:19,664 --> 00:05:22,264 Speaker 1: out around the same time. That's it in like, you know, 118 00:05:22,304 --> 00:05:24,304 Speaker 1: that same kind of group of years, and I think 119 00:05:24,304 --> 00:05:26,784 Speaker 1: a lot of people maybe liked that better because that 120 00:05:26,904 --> 00:05:28,784 Speaker 1: was a bit more salacious and a lot of people 121 00:05:28,784 --> 00:05:31,304 Speaker 1: in that family are like quite famous and in terms 122 00:05:31,344 --> 00:05:33,664 Speaker 1: of like the characters are very famous, and I love 123 00:05:33,704 --> 00:05:36,544 Speaker 1: Brothers and Sisters too, but I find that Parenthood is the, 124 00:05:37,024 --> 00:05:40,144 Speaker 1: I guess more like low key relatable version of that. 125 00:05:40,424 --> 00:05:43,744 Speaker 3: Especially the depiction of siblings and their relationship. I felt 126 00:05:43,784 --> 00:05:45,184 Speaker 3: like it was very realistic. 127 00:05:45,344 --> 00:05:48,944 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So it really kicks off with Lauren Graham's character, 128 00:05:48,944 --> 00:05:51,904 Speaker 1: Sarah Braveman, who's a single mom. She's got two kids, 129 00:05:51,904 --> 00:05:54,224 Speaker 1: they've got no money, they moved back in with her parents, 130 00:05:54,744 --> 00:05:56,744 Speaker 1: and I don't know, that just made me think of 131 00:05:56,744 --> 00:05:58,544 Speaker 1: like when my mum moved was a single mom and 132 00:05:58,584 --> 00:06:00,744 Speaker 1: moved like our siblings back to be with our family 133 00:06:00,784 --> 00:06:03,544 Speaker 1: and kind of like it's like a very realistic thing 134 00:06:03,584 --> 00:06:05,824 Speaker 1: without being dramatic. And I don't know, I cry all 135 00:06:05,864 --> 00:06:09,264 Speaker 1: the time. It's in Parenthood especially. There's a scene in 136 00:06:09,264 --> 00:06:11,824 Speaker 1: the first episode where Lauren Grahames's character is talking to 137 00:06:11,864 --> 00:06:14,864 Speaker 1: her son and she says like, I'm really sorry you 138 00:06:14,864 --> 00:06:16,824 Speaker 1: deserve a dad but you don't have one. But I'm 139 00:06:16,864 --> 00:06:18,544 Speaker 1: here and I'm not leaving, and I'm just gonna have 140 00:06:18,584 --> 00:06:20,064 Speaker 1: to be enough. And I think if you were raised 141 00:06:20,064 --> 00:06:22,344 Speaker 1: by single mom, like lines like that just hit so hard. 142 00:06:22,624 --> 00:06:23,424 Speaker 3: It's so good. 143 00:06:23,544 --> 00:06:26,424 Speaker 1: So it's on Netflix the six seasons, just nice little 144 00:06:26,424 --> 00:06:28,224 Speaker 1: like it's a brutal world out there for a little 145 00:06:28,224 --> 00:06:28,864 Speaker 1: comfort watch. 146 00:06:29,024 --> 00:06:29,264 Speaker 4: It is. 147 00:06:32,184 --> 00:06:36,064 Speaker 3: So just before Christmas, I was in my parents' house, 148 00:06:36,184 --> 00:06:39,624 Speaker 3: not just vibing, enjoying a little cocktail, and then my 149 00:06:39,744 --> 00:06:42,424 Speaker 3: phone just started blowing up. 150 00:06:42,904 --> 00:06:45,184 Speaker 1: I know where It's like, where were you when it happened? 151 00:06:45,224 --> 00:06:47,064 Speaker 1: I remem too. I was in an arcade with my 152 00:06:47,184 --> 00:06:50,464 Speaker 1: nephew because it was his sixth birthday, and we were 153 00:06:50,504 --> 00:06:52,624 Speaker 1: doing those car racing games and I had just lost 154 00:06:52,744 --> 00:06:54,304 Speaker 1: and I looked up at that and I looked down 155 00:06:54,304 --> 00:06:56,504 Speaker 1: on my phone and saw the news and I was like, 156 00:06:56,544 --> 00:06:58,344 Speaker 1: this is just a take. I was checking your phone 157 00:06:58,344 --> 00:07:03,424 Speaker 1: while I'm driving, I know, but huge worldwide headlines everywhere. 158 00:07:03,504 --> 00:07:07,904 Speaker 3: It was absolutely insane. All I saw was like, immediately 159 00:07:07,984 --> 00:07:10,944 Speaker 3: everyone just sharing this link to an art. It was 160 00:07:10,944 --> 00:07:14,664 Speaker 3: a New York Times article and it was going through 161 00:07:15,544 --> 00:07:20,144 Speaker 3: the defamation that was made against Blake Lively from Justin Baldoni, 162 00:07:20,224 --> 00:07:23,744 Speaker 3: like pretty much a smear campaign, or Blake Lively and 163 00:07:23,944 --> 00:07:26,624 Speaker 3: smear campaign. Like the word smear campaign is something that 164 00:07:26,664 --> 00:07:29,464 Speaker 3: I've always seen on social media that we talk about, 165 00:07:29,864 --> 00:07:32,304 Speaker 3: but it's never something that I feel like I hear 166 00:07:32,344 --> 00:07:35,544 Speaker 3: from the celebrity mouth, Like it's always something that media 167 00:07:35,664 --> 00:07:40,064 Speaker 3: just makes up. And this just felt so real and 168 00:07:40,104 --> 00:07:43,424 Speaker 3: it immediately made me think of the Johnny Depp amber 169 00:07:43,424 --> 00:07:46,584 Speaker 3: Herd case and I clicked into it. I read the 170 00:07:46,624 --> 00:07:49,904 Speaker 3: whole thing and my mouth was on the floor. Like 171 00:07:49,944 --> 00:07:52,424 Speaker 3: some of the stuff in that I'm sure everyone's already 172 00:07:52,464 --> 00:07:56,024 Speaker 3: read it, but from everything from quote to text messages 173 00:07:56,184 --> 00:07:59,424 Speaker 3: to outlining every little detail of what happened to her, 174 00:07:59,904 --> 00:08:03,424 Speaker 3: it was just so packed with information. And then from 175 00:08:03,624 --> 00:08:06,584 Speaker 3: that New York Times article, I feel like everything just 176 00:08:06,624 --> 00:08:08,584 Speaker 3: spiraled into something much bigger. 177 00:08:09,024 --> 00:08:12,464 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, because that was only the start of the situation. 178 00:08:12,664 --> 00:08:16,584 Speaker 1: So Blake Lively filed the complaint on December twenty and 179 00:08:16,624 --> 00:08:19,264 Speaker 1: then obviously she and her team had been working with 180 00:08:19,344 --> 00:08:22,104 Speaker 1: The New York Times for a long time before that 181 00:08:22,304 --> 00:08:24,104 Speaker 1: to get them all this information and have it all 182 00:08:24,224 --> 00:08:27,224 Speaker 1: one place, and so that came out on the twenty first, 183 00:08:27,264 --> 00:08:31,064 Speaker 1: and then it just really kicked off from there. Justin Baldoni, 184 00:08:31,184 --> 00:08:34,144 Speaker 1: like the response around him was very swift in terms 185 00:08:34,184 --> 00:08:37,544 Speaker 1: of his Talent agency parting ways with him. There was 186 00:08:37,544 --> 00:08:39,984 Speaker 1: a rumor going around that Brian Reynolds had called them directly. 187 00:08:40,024 --> 00:08:42,624 Speaker 1: They said no, he had another podcast. The host of 188 00:08:42,664 --> 00:08:44,704 Speaker 1: that left, So it was like very kind of swift 189 00:08:44,744 --> 00:08:48,384 Speaker 1: that everyone was jumping on Blake Lively's side over this. 190 00:08:48,904 --> 00:08:53,304 Speaker 1: And then Justin Baldoni and Wayfarer, who is his production company, 191 00:08:53,664 --> 00:08:58,504 Speaker 1: responded to the complaint first. So Brian Friedman, who's the 192 00:08:58,544 --> 00:09:01,824 Speaker 1: attorney for Justin Baldoni, came out and basically he called 193 00:09:02,024 --> 00:09:05,464 Speaker 1: Blake Lively a liar and said that she had made 194 00:09:05,544 --> 00:09:09,664 Speaker 1: all these false accusations against Justin Baldoni and Wayfarer Studios, 195 00:09:09,704 --> 00:09:11,704 Speaker 1: and it represented because there was a lot of people 196 00:09:11,784 --> 00:09:13,944 Speaker 1: named in there, not justin Baldoni. I think people really 197 00:09:13,984 --> 00:09:16,424 Speaker 1: sent it on that because he's been so the public 198 00:09:16,464 --> 00:09:19,944 Speaker 1: face kind of against Blake Lively in the whole Items 199 00:09:19,984 --> 00:09:22,704 Speaker 1: with Us situation. But there's a lot of people named that, 200 00:09:22,784 --> 00:09:24,664 Speaker 1: and a lot of people who work for him or 201 00:09:24,704 --> 00:09:25,544 Speaker 1: around him. 202 00:09:25,944 --> 00:09:28,864 Speaker 3: Especially the text messages, right, Yeah, Like I feel like 203 00:09:28,864 --> 00:09:31,704 Speaker 3: when I read the text messages you could even see 204 00:09:31,944 --> 00:09:36,064 Speaker 3: the text that he was sending was still quite carefully worded, yeah, 205 00:09:36,184 --> 00:09:38,504 Speaker 3: versus the people he was talking to where were just 206 00:09:38,544 --> 00:09:39,744 Speaker 3: like loose with whatever. 207 00:09:39,984 --> 00:09:43,824 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And then his legal team said that it 208 00:09:43,864 --> 00:09:46,504 Speaker 1: was a desperate attempt from Blake Lively, like this whole 209 00:09:46,544 --> 00:09:50,344 Speaker 1: situation to fix her own negative reputation, which was garnered 210 00:09:50,384 --> 00:09:53,144 Speaker 1: from her own remarks and actions during the campaign for 211 00:09:53,184 --> 00:09:55,464 Speaker 1: the film. What I think is interesting about this is 212 00:09:55,464 --> 00:09:57,784 Speaker 1: that everyone quickly jumped on to this like we were 213 00:09:57,784 --> 00:10:00,744 Speaker 1: wrong about Blake Lively, or we were all o her 214 00:10:00,784 --> 00:10:02,944 Speaker 1: this big apology or this and that, and I think 215 00:10:02,984 --> 00:10:05,784 Speaker 1: kind of just like watching an unfold, that wasn't exactly 216 00:10:05,824 --> 00:10:10,304 Speaker 1: the correct situation because I think the public discussion around her, 217 00:10:10,504 --> 00:10:12,064 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, as we talked at the time, there 218 00:10:12,104 --> 00:10:15,384 Speaker 1: was the really negative people being like she's evil, she's this, 219 00:10:15,584 --> 00:10:17,984 Speaker 1: she's that, and that's like a separate thing. But I 220 00:10:17,984 --> 00:10:20,384 Speaker 1: think a lot of the critique at the time was 221 00:10:20,504 --> 00:10:23,424 Speaker 1: around the way she handled herself in interviews and the 222 00:10:23,464 --> 00:10:25,504 Speaker 1: way she was like launching brands around it and all 223 00:10:25,544 --> 00:10:28,384 Speaker 1: that sort of thing, And I think that's completely separate. 224 00:10:28,424 --> 00:10:30,984 Speaker 1: Like it can be true that she marketed the film 225 00:10:31,344 --> 00:10:33,984 Speaker 1: in a bit of a selfish way and that it's 226 00:10:34,144 --> 00:10:36,144 Speaker 1: justified that people can be upset with her about this, 227 00:10:36,264 --> 00:10:38,544 Speaker 1: but this is different. No one knew this level of 228 00:10:38,624 --> 00:10:43,064 Speaker 1: the stuff she's allegations around, like sexual misconduct and all 229 00:10:43,104 --> 00:10:45,904 Speaker 1: those kind of things and unsafe working situation comments that 230 00:10:45,904 --> 00:10:49,664 Speaker 1: are made. That is like so separate to oppress to 231 00:10:49,704 --> 00:10:52,344 Speaker 1: her where she was engaging with the public. Like I 232 00:10:52,424 --> 00:10:54,904 Speaker 1: just think people have they go to extremes. They can't 233 00:10:54,944 --> 00:10:56,304 Speaker 1: hold two different thoughts in their heads. 234 00:10:56,384 --> 00:10:58,584 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like the same thing is happening 235 00:10:58,744 --> 00:11:03,264 Speaker 3: with Justin as well, Like now everyone's turned in support 236 00:11:03,424 --> 00:11:05,744 Speaker 3: of Blake Lively and it's like turning it except for 237 00:11:05,864 --> 00:11:07,584 Speaker 3: like a lot of people on TikTok oh. 238 00:11:07,664 --> 00:11:09,464 Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean it's hard to know because it 239 00:11:09,464 --> 00:11:10,984 Speaker 1: just depends which part of two talk you get. On 240 00:11:11,184 --> 00:11:12,984 Speaker 1: like you can be in one place with it, just 241 00:11:13,024 --> 00:11:15,144 Speaker 1: like justice for Bake Lively. She's the greatest person in 242 00:11:15,144 --> 00:11:16,904 Speaker 1: the world, and other people be like she's an evil 243 00:11:16,944 --> 00:11:19,424 Speaker 1: mastermind and and she wasn't, oh you know, the wildless 244 00:11:19,424 --> 00:11:21,304 Speaker 1: thing that she was in love with Justin. He rebuffed 245 00:11:21,304 --> 00:11:22,704 Speaker 1: her and this is why she's doing it. And I 246 00:11:22,744 --> 00:11:25,024 Speaker 1: was like, wow, this is why you just can't be 247 00:11:25,064 --> 00:11:25,944 Speaker 1: on TikTok too much. 248 00:11:25,984 --> 00:11:28,704 Speaker 3: But people love reading in between the lines, and I 249 00:11:28,744 --> 00:11:31,744 Speaker 3: feel like that behavior hasn't changed, even though it's from 250 00:11:31,824 --> 00:11:35,384 Speaker 3: a different person. So instead of just focusing on like 251 00:11:35,424 --> 00:11:38,824 Speaker 3: the absolutely awful allegations and focusing on the case and 252 00:11:38,864 --> 00:11:41,384 Speaker 3: the New York Times piece, people are like similar to 253 00:11:41,424 --> 00:11:44,064 Speaker 3: what we did with Blake Lively, like going into like 254 00:11:44,144 --> 00:11:47,384 Speaker 3: her previous interviews and dissecting that and saying that she 255 00:11:47,464 --> 00:11:49,984 Speaker 3: was awful to all these interviews. Everyone's doing now the 256 00:11:50,024 --> 00:11:52,584 Speaker 3: same to Justin, Like are bringing up like the vows 257 00:11:52,584 --> 00:11:54,664 Speaker 3: he had with his wife on like on his wedding, 258 00:11:54,744 --> 00:11:57,504 Speaker 3: and it's just like it just like makes everything really 259 00:11:58,024 --> 00:12:01,304 Speaker 3: messy and everyone forgets that this is actually going to 260 00:12:01,384 --> 00:12:03,304 Speaker 3: be a lawsuit, Like people are going to be in 261 00:12:03,344 --> 00:12:03,864 Speaker 3: court and. 262 00:12:03,904 --> 00:12:06,264 Speaker 1: Have to deal with this, Yeah, exactly, And I think 263 00:12:06,264 --> 00:12:08,104 Speaker 1: the kind of interesting thing from that about your saying 264 00:12:08,144 --> 00:12:10,584 Speaker 1: about how people are viewing these two different people the 265 00:12:10,624 --> 00:12:13,064 Speaker 1: intersection of this that kind of does bring them together 266 00:12:13,104 --> 00:12:15,864 Speaker 1: in terms of how much people of their own corps 267 00:12:15,984 --> 00:12:19,744 Speaker 1: just started disliking Blake Lively during the press tour and 268 00:12:20,184 --> 00:12:22,944 Speaker 1: Justin Baldoni's team, like the allegations if you look at 269 00:12:22,944 --> 00:12:25,424 Speaker 1: the text messages and things of how they knew they'd 270 00:12:25,464 --> 00:12:27,024 Speaker 1: be able to do that, And that's something we were 271 00:12:27,024 --> 00:12:29,904 Speaker 1: saying at the time of like, there's nothing people love 272 00:12:29,984 --> 00:12:33,784 Speaker 1: more than hating a rich, successful, conventionally beautiful woman. So 273 00:12:34,224 --> 00:12:36,864 Speaker 1: I think that's where it becomes interesting that he and 274 00:12:36,944 --> 00:12:39,624 Speaker 1: his team, if the lawsuit is to be believed, and 275 00:12:39,624 --> 00:12:42,024 Speaker 1: obviously that's like all still in the works if it's 276 00:12:42,024 --> 00:12:44,664 Speaker 1: to be believed, there's certain things they were able to 277 00:12:44,704 --> 00:12:46,304 Speaker 1: do or some things they planned to do, but then 278 00:12:46,344 --> 00:12:49,064 Speaker 1: they didn't even have to do them because the public 279 00:12:49,264 --> 00:12:52,664 Speaker 1: just just took these small things and ran with it. 280 00:12:52,864 --> 00:12:55,744 Speaker 3: Yeah, And the text messages in particular are the ones 281 00:12:55,744 --> 00:12:59,064 Speaker 3: that are so interesting on how it started with Ryan 282 00:12:59,104 --> 00:13:03,704 Speaker 3: Reynolds blocking Justin Baldoni on Instagram and from that very moment, 283 00:13:03,744 --> 00:13:06,224 Speaker 3: which no one picked up on. Yeah, Justin Baldoni was like, 284 00:13:06,264 --> 00:13:08,424 Speaker 3: we need assault this before it becomes a thing. 285 00:13:08,704 --> 00:13:11,984 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and how that sort of set his plan 286 00:13:12,064 --> 00:13:14,384 Speaker 1: in motion. I mean, some of the allegations that are 287 00:13:14,384 --> 00:13:17,624 Speaker 1: in Blake Lively's lawsuit are so horrific. And that's the 288 00:13:17,664 --> 00:13:20,424 Speaker 1: thing too, where I find uncomfortable with people being like, well, 289 00:13:20,464 --> 00:13:22,304 Speaker 1: is she a good person or a bad person? I'm like, oh, 290 00:13:22,344 --> 00:13:24,024 Speaker 1: we can't, like in terms of like is she nice 291 00:13:24,024 --> 00:13:26,344 Speaker 1: to people, do people like her? All that sort of stuff, 292 00:13:26,344 --> 00:13:28,704 Speaker 1: And I'm like, Oh, it just shouldn't even matter, Like 293 00:13:28,784 --> 00:13:30,744 Speaker 1: she could be I don't know. I've never met Blake Lively, 294 00:13:30,784 --> 00:13:32,784 Speaker 1: so I have no idea, but she could be a 295 00:13:32,864 --> 00:13:36,624 Speaker 1: very unlikable person and still doesn't mean she can get 296 00:13:36,704 --> 00:13:38,664 Speaker 1: assaulted or be uncomfortable at work, you know. I feel 297 00:13:38,704 --> 00:13:40,384 Speaker 1: like that's a I think even if she was a 298 00:13:40,464 --> 00:13:43,544 Speaker 1: terrible person, if it happened behind the scenes, she should 299 00:13:43,584 --> 00:13:45,384 Speaker 1: be supported and protecting the same way. Like, I think 300 00:13:45,424 --> 00:13:47,384 Speaker 1: it's a very dangerous route to go down of like 301 00:13:47,424 --> 00:13:50,704 Speaker 1: who deserves protection if they're nice to journalists and fans 302 00:13:50,744 --> 00:13:53,784 Speaker 1: and stuff. But some of the allegations about him coming 303 00:13:53,824 --> 00:13:56,704 Speaker 1: into her trailer while she was breastfeeding, which is interesting 304 00:13:56,704 --> 00:13:58,984 Speaker 1: because then his team released something where she was saying, 305 00:13:59,024 --> 00:14:01,544 Speaker 1: I'm pumping, but you can come in, and then people 306 00:14:01,584 --> 00:14:05,144 Speaker 1: are saying, like, well, inviting someone into your trailer when 307 00:14:05,144 --> 00:14:07,664 Speaker 1: you're pumping as opposed to actually breastfeeding a baby are 308 00:14:07,704 --> 00:14:09,304 Speaker 1: two very different things. Like this is how kind of 309 00:14:09,344 --> 00:14:12,424 Speaker 1: granule it's got. There's an allegation that Justin Baldoni brought 310 00:14:12,464 --> 00:14:15,704 Speaker 1: one of his friends in to play the obstetrician in 311 00:14:15,784 --> 00:14:18,704 Speaker 1: one of some of the medical scenes, and so she's 312 00:14:18,744 --> 00:14:20,904 Speaker 1: like lying on a table with a sheet over her 313 00:14:20,984 --> 00:14:22,744 Speaker 1: because you know she's a woman who's about to give 314 00:14:22,784 --> 00:14:25,424 Speaker 1: birth and having someone who's his friend and seat of 315 00:14:25,424 --> 00:14:29,264 Speaker 1: a trained actor there. There's allegations about intimacy coordinators around 316 00:14:29,264 --> 00:14:30,984 Speaker 1: her who said they could have them all this sort 317 00:14:31,024 --> 00:14:35,544 Speaker 1: of stuff. Yeah, around like those comments. Even there's allegations 318 00:14:35,664 --> 00:14:38,584 Speaker 1: because what she's saying in the complaint and the lawsuit 319 00:14:38,624 --> 00:14:40,224 Speaker 1: is that they had a big meeting to sort all 320 00:14:40,224 --> 00:14:42,264 Speaker 1: of this out and he agreed to all these terms, 321 00:14:42,544 --> 00:14:45,184 Speaker 1: and one of them was that Justin Baldoni said that 322 00:14:45,184 --> 00:14:49,464 Speaker 1: he was communicating with Blake Lively's dead father. Oh my god, yes, 323 00:14:49,504 --> 00:14:51,744 Speaker 1: I forgot about that, And there was like apparently there 324 00:14:51,744 --> 00:14:55,064 Speaker 1: was an agreement made where he promised that he would 325 00:14:55,144 --> 00:14:57,304 Speaker 1: like stop saying certain things to her and her staff, 326 00:14:57,424 --> 00:14:59,984 Speaker 1: and some of them were a bit explicit sexual things, 327 00:14:59,984 --> 00:15:02,024 Speaker 1: and some of it was him like saying that he 328 00:15:02,104 --> 00:15:02,984 Speaker 1: was conversing with her. 329 00:15:02,984 --> 00:15:05,704 Speaker 3: Talking about and talking about like his addiction to porn 330 00:15:05,784 --> 00:15:08,584 Speaker 3: that he used to have. Yeah, had stuff, but like 331 00:15:09,384 --> 00:15:12,744 Speaker 3: obviously alligator but very specific allegations. 332 00:15:12,984 --> 00:15:17,744 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, Na. So there's so many other moving parts 333 00:15:17,784 --> 00:15:23,104 Speaker 1: this story. One is that Justin Baldoni's former publicist, Stephanie Jones, 334 00:15:23,104 --> 00:15:25,624 Speaker 1: who was the owner of the publicity firm he was 335 00:15:25,664 --> 00:15:30,544 Speaker 1: with and her agency, Jones Works, is suing Justin Baldoni 336 00:15:30,664 --> 00:15:34,024 Speaker 1: and his company and his current publicist because of how 337 00:15:34,144 --> 00:15:36,864 Speaker 1: her company has been embroiled in all of this. So 338 00:15:37,024 --> 00:15:39,984 Speaker 1: what do you mean, Because she's saying that they conspired 339 00:15:40,064 --> 00:15:42,984 Speaker 1: for months to attack her and her company and had 340 00:15:43,024 --> 00:15:46,304 Speaker 1: secretly coordinated behind her back like Justin Baldoni had with 341 00:15:46,384 --> 00:15:48,544 Speaker 1: his own company. I mean, this is a very kind 342 00:15:48,544 --> 00:15:51,064 Speaker 1: of grassroots way of saying it. She is suing him, 343 00:15:51,224 --> 00:15:54,624 Speaker 1: her former client, for like allegedly sort of embroiling her 344 00:15:54,704 --> 00:15:57,304 Speaker 1: in this smear campaign against Blake Lively. 345 00:15:57,464 --> 00:16:00,144 Speaker 3: Got it. Yeah, Blake Lively is suing him, and then 346 00:16:00,304 --> 00:16:01,904 Speaker 3: she's suing him as well. 347 00:16:01,984 --> 00:16:03,784 Speaker 1: And then yes, and then the owner of his former 348 00:16:03,824 --> 00:16:06,584 Speaker 1: publicity agency is suing him. That's the whole thing about 349 00:16:06,584 --> 00:16:09,944 Speaker 1: the phones being taken. And now also Justin Baldoni and 350 00:16:10,504 --> 00:16:12,504 Speaker 1: much a lot of different people who were named in 351 00:16:12,544 --> 00:16:14,304 Speaker 1: the New York Times story are now suing the New 352 00:16:14,384 --> 00:16:14,904 Speaker 1: York Times. 353 00:16:15,104 --> 00:16:16,264 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 354 00:16:16,464 --> 00:16:18,304 Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of information there, but again 355 00:16:18,384 --> 00:16:20,064 Speaker 1: just on a very surface level, we'll be here for 356 00:16:20,144 --> 00:16:22,704 Speaker 1: six hours suing them for they're saying, like you know, 357 00:16:22,744 --> 00:16:25,544 Speaker 1: some of it's been misconstrued. They're saying they cherry picked 358 00:16:25,544 --> 00:16:28,824 Speaker 1: different messages without showing full text change that would change 359 00:16:28,904 --> 00:16:30,904 Speaker 1: the story. The New York Times has come out, and 360 00:16:30,984 --> 00:16:34,064 Speaker 1: so they absolutely stand by their story and they'll fight 361 00:16:34,104 --> 00:16:36,384 Speaker 1: the lawsuits. So that's all happening. So that's a lot 362 00:16:36,424 --> 00:16:38,704 Speaker 1: of this. Yeah, And also you just think that with 363 00:16:38,744 --> 00:16:40,384 Speaker 1: the New York Times, it would have just been so 364 00:16:40,784 --> 00:16:43,344 Speaker 1: meticulously I mean, any outlet that puts out a big 365 00:16:43,344 --> 00:16:46,624 Speaker 1: story like this, you get lawyers involved, they fact check everything. 366 00:16:46,384 --> 00:16:48,144 Speaker 3: And they would have known they would have been sued 367 00:16:48,264 --> 00:16:48,864 Speaker 3: and they. 368 00:16:48,744 --> 00:16:51,224 Speaker 1: Have so much Oh yeah, and I'm sure they had 369 00:16:51,264 --> 00:16:53,024 Speaker 1: like sort of been like, we have all the evidence 370 00:16:53,064 --> 00:16:54,424 Speaker 1: to back all this up, but that's going to be 371 00:16:54,464 --> 00:16:57,304 Speaker 1: a very long situation. So yeah, just to just so 372 00:16:57,304 --> 00:16:59,864 Speaker 1: everyone knows where their players are. So Blake Lively put 373 00:16:59,904 --> 00:17:02,584 Speaker 1: the complaint against Justin and his company and his associates 374 00:17:02,904 --> 00:17:06,824 Speaker 1: and then is suing him. Then Justin's former publicity agency 375 00:17:06,904 --> 00:17:09,824 Speaker 1: is suing him, and then Justin is suing The New 376 00:17:09,904 --> 00:17:12,584 Speaker 1: York Times, who is defending themselves. So that's where everyone's at. 377 00:17:12,584 --> 00:17:15,544 Speaker 3: But Juan's not countersuing Blake. No, but. 378 00:17:17,224 --> 00:17:19,984 Speaker 1: Not yet, but he is going to. And the reason 379 00:17:20,024 --> 00:17:23,984 Speaker 1: we know that is because his lawyer has come out 380 00:17:24,024 --> 00:17:26,904 Speaker 1: and given a really big interview talking about the lawsuit, 381 00:17:26,944 --> 00:17:29,264 Speaker 1: talking about the case, and then goes on to say 382 00:17:29,384 --> 00:17:31,704 Speaker 1: exactly what they plan to do with Blake Lively. 383 00:17:31,864 --> 00:17:35,584 Speaker 2: Are you going to sue Blake Lively too into oblivion? Megan, 384 00:17:35,744 --> 00:17:37,784 Speaker 2: Wait till you see this lawsuit. It's all going to 385 00:17:37,784 --> 00:17:39,664 Speaker 2: be based on evidence. It's not going to be just 386 00:17:39,704 --> 00:17:42,544 Speaker 2: a lawsuit. It's going to be the kind of lawsuit 387 00:17:42,664 --> 00:17:50,584 Speaker 2: that is full of evidence, admissions, documents which prove exactly 388 00:17:50,704 --> 00:17:54,224 Speaker 2: what she did and how she bullied her way through 389 00:17:54,224 --> 00:17:58,024 Speaker 2: the process to take over the movie and used her 390 00:17:58,024 --> 00:18:02,464 Speaker 2: PR people to try and destroy Justin. There's a number 391 00:18:02,464 --> 00:18:06,384 Speaker 2: of different defendants here. Stephanie Jones will be all over 392 00:18:06,424 --> 00:18:11,224 Speaker 2: this complaint. That is the PR agent was supposed to 393 00:18:11,224 --> 00:18:15,904 Speaker 2: be working for Justin Baldoni. Leslie Sloane's another PR agent 394 00:18:16,064 --> 00:18:19,304 Speaker 2: will be part of this lawsuit. That was Blake Lively's. 395 00:18:19,624 --> 00:18:23,424 Speaker 2: Blake Lively will be sued and we're carefully considering other 396 00:18:24,104 --> 00:18:27,104 Speaker 2: people that will be sued also. Ryan Reynolds for. 397 00:18:26,944 --> 00:18:30,744 Speaker 1: Sure, into that's the first time M've heard that interview. 398 00:18:30,824 --> 00:18:34,144 Speaker 1: So that was Justin Baldoni's lawyer, Brian Freeman talking to 399 00:18:34,264 --> 00:18:36,384 Speaker 1: Meg and Kelly Mick and Kelly's all loving this, of course, 400 00:18:37,184 --> 00:18:38,624 Speaker 1: the look on your face end. 401 00:18:38,864 --> 00:18:43,184 Speaker 3: Was and Ryan Reynolds for sure, Oh. 402 00:18:43,064 --> 00:18:45,544 Speaker 1: My gosh, I think there's so much how danty block 403 00:18:45,744 --> 00:18:48,344 Speaker 1: Justin Well, I mean, this is where even more allegations 404 00:18:48,344 --> 00:18:50,224 Speaker 1: have come out, and they're on a very personal level 405 00:18:50,304 --> 00:18:54,424 Speaker 1: between Blake and Ryan and Justin in particular. So one 406 00:18:54,504 --> 00:18:57,184 Speaker 1: of the allegations that's come out from Justin's team is 407 00:18:57,184 --> 00:18:59,424 Speaker 1: that Blake and he said Blake and Ryan invited him 408 00:18:59,424 --> 00:19:00,824 Speaker 1: over for dinner and he thought he was going to 409 00:19:00,864 --> 00:19:03,904 Speaker 1: their new York penthouse for a celebration, and he says 410 00:19:03,904 --> 00:19:06,304 Speaker 1: when he got there, it was almost like an intervention, 411 00:19:06,424 --> 00:19:10,064 Speaker 1: And he's alleging that Ryan Reynolds screened at him, made 412 00:19:10,144 --> 00:19:12,784 Speaker 1: him really upset, confronted him, and he was like really 413 00:19:12,824 --> 00:19:16,384 Speaker 1: shaken after that, and the power and balance was really off. 414 00:19:16,424 --> 00:19:18,824 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of times where Justin Baldoni names 415 00:19:18,864 --> 00:19:21,224 Speaker 1: Ryan Reynolds and like the different parts of his complaint. 416 00:19:21,584 --> 00:19:24,704 Speaker 3: Oh my god. But the actual So when do we 417 00:19:24,744 --> 00:19:26,584 Speaker 3: think it's going to be filed the lawsuits? 418 00:19:26,904 --> 00:19:28,424 Speaker 1: Well, I mean that interview has been a couple of 419 00:19:28,504 --> 00:19:30,264 Speaker 1: days a couple of days old now, but I say 420 00:19:30,424 --> 00:19:33,304 Speaker 1: they're getting all the like puzzle pieces together to do it. 421 00:19:33,624 --> 00:19:36,224 Speaker 1: What's interesting is that they've started releasing a few different 422 00:19:36,344 --> 00:19:39,224 Speaker 1: text exchanges where they say that's where the whole breastfeeding 423 00:19:39,224 --> 00:19:41,704 Speaker 1: thing came out, where they're saying like, oh, look, no, no, 424 00:19:41,784 --> 00:19:43,584 Speaker 1: if you look at this text message she says, come 425 00:19:43,584 --> 00:19:45,904 Speaker 1: to my trailer and stuff like that. So it's getting 426 00:19:45,944 --> 00:19:48,984 Speaker 1: really messy, and there's a lot of allegations around Blake 427 00:19:49,024 --> 00:19:51,664 Speaker 1: Lively coming in and like as he's saying, like taking 428 00:19:51,704 --> 00:19:53,544 Speaker 1: over all that sort of thing, which we did know 429 00:19:53,624 --> 00:19:55,704 Speaker 1: to an extent, because remember when the movie was happening, 430 00:19:55,744 --> 00:19:58,184 Speaker 1: it came out that Justin Baldoni and his team had 431 00:19:58,224 --> 00:20:01,464 Speaker 1: done a cut and Blake Lively had recut it with 432 00:20:01,464 --> 00:20:04,344 Speaker 1: the help of Ryan Reynolds and her own editors and 433 00:20:04,664 --> 00:20:06,624 Speaker 1: had made a different version of the movie. And that's 434 00:20:06,624 --> 00:20:07,584 Speaker 1: the one that came out. 435 00:20:08,064 --> 00:20:10,464 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then at the same time, we were seeing 436 00:20:10,544 --> 00:20:13,904 Speaker 3: the press store happening, where Justin was going doing press 437 00:20:13,944 --> 00:20:16,584 Speaker 3: on his own, yes, and Blake Lovely and the entire 438 00:20:16,664 --> 00:20:18,424 Speaker 3: cast were owned completely separate. 439 00:20:18,544 --> 00:20:19,104 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. 440 00:20:19,184 --> 00:20:21,504 Speaker 3: We didn't even see him at like the premiere. 441 00:20:21,104 --> 00:20:23,704 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. And that's something else he's saying. So some 442 00:20:23,824 --> 00:20:25,744 Speaker 1: audio has been lenked, and he's been talking about the 443 00:20:25,744 --> 00:20:27,904 Speaker 1: fact that he was pushed aside, he was upset, all 444 00:20:27,904 --> 00:20:29,984 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Again, I think it's just there's 445 00:20:29,984 --> 00:20:32,344 Speaker 1: so many different levels of things happening here. I think 446 00:20:32,344 --> 00:20:36,704 Speaker 1: it's just important not to equate Blake Lively potentially taking 447 00:20:36,704 --> 00:20:38,864 Speaker 1: over the movie, which again maybe she did, maybe she 448 00:20:38,904 --> 00:20:44,344 Speaker 1: did push her cut through, but doesn't Yeah, it doesn't 449 00:20:44,384 --> 00:20:46,704 Speaker 1: cancel out all the other stuff she's saying. It's like 450 00:20:46,744 --> 00:20:49,824 Speaker 1: they're two very different conversations. You got the power players 451 00:20:49,864 --> 00:20:52,184 Speaker 1: in Hollywood which was the initial conversation we were having 452 00:20:52,224 --> 00:20:53,904 Speaker 1: back when the movie was out and the press was 453 00:20:53,904 --> 00:20:57,664 Speaker 1: happening around like who has the power, who's overstepping each other, 454 00:20:57,744 --> 00:21:00,424 Speaker 1: who's bringing in different people, all that sort of stuff, 455 00:21:00,464 --> 00:21:02,904 Speaker 1: which I feel like it does obviously feed into the situation, 456 00:21:02,984 --> 00:21:05,464 Speaker 1: but I feel like that's very different to her feeling 457 00:21:05,464 --> 00:21:07,384 Speaker 1: like he touched her and appropriately, because also some of 458 00:21:07,424 --> 00:21:10,944 Speaker 1: her allegations are that he wouldn't like practice kiss So 459 00:21:10,984 --> 00:21:13,824 Speaker 1: nowadays in Hollywood, if you have an intimacy coordinator, it's 460 00:21:13,944 --> 00:21:16,184 Speaker 1: very choreographed, like you'll kiss me here at this time, 461 00:21:16,264 --> 00:21:18,664 Speaker 1: then you'll put your hand here, and everyone consents to 462 00:21:18,744 --> 00:21:22,744 Speaker 1: every step, whereas the Blake Lively allegations against Justin Baldoni 463 00:21:22,864 --> 00:21:24,784 Speaker 1: is that he would just go rogue, touch her anywhere, 464 00:21:25,104 --> 00:21:27,544 Speaker 1: kiss her in way she was uncomfortable with, like to 465 00:21:27,544 --> 00:21:29,824 Speaker 1: touch her body in different ways, And I just think 466 00:21:29,824 --> 00:21:33,024 Speaker 1: that's such a separate thing to like what their production 467 00:21:33,144 --> 00:21:36,704 Speaker 1: teams were fighting over, Like it's a much more serious situation. 468 00:21:36,984 --> 00:21:38,904 Speaker 4: Could have been one of the most beautiful nights of 469 00:21:39,504 --> 00:21:42,864 Speaker 4: my life career wise. I literally was sent to the 470 00:21:42,864 --> 00:21:46,424 Speaker 4: basement with all my friends and family for over an hour. 471 00:21:46,664 --> 00:21:49,024 Speaker 4: I wasn't allowed to be seen. She didn't want me 472 00:21:49,504 --> 00:21:51,424 Speaker 4: anywhere near her or the rest of the cast. They 473 00:21:51,464 --> 00:21:55,064 Speaker 4: start laughing because of the ridiculousness of this whole thing, 474 00:21:55,184 --> 00:21:58,104 Speaker 4: and I realized, like on a night that was supposed 475 00:21:58,144 --> 00:22:03,744 Speaker 4: to be so materialistically joyful, I was in the basement 476 00:22:04,704 --> 00:22:06,264 Speaker 4: with the people that I loved the most, and we 477 00:22:06,304 --> 00:22:11,264 Speaker 4: were all joyful and laughing because none of that shit matters. 478 00:22:11,544 --> 00:22:15,624 Speaker 4: We're in this business because we're artists and we believe 479 00:22:15,664 --> 00:22:18,544 Speaker 4: in what we do, and I believe that will follow 480 00:22:19,384 --> 00:22:21,784 Speaker 4: each of us, and that truth will prevail and that 481 00:22:21,944 --> 00:22:22,984 Speaker 4: late and love will win. 482 00:22:23,104 --> 00:22:25,504 Speaker 3: That audio is that like something that he was like 483 00:22:25,584 --> 00:22:27,024 Speaker 3: spoke into like a phone, like. 484 00:22:26,944 --> 00:22:29,624 Speaker 1: A voice note that he sent to people on his team. 485 00:22:29,664 --> 00:22:31,504 Speaker 1: So he's like doing a voice note from the event. 486 00:22:31,904 --> 00:22:34,744 Speaker 3: Oh and that got leaked and don't know who leaked it. 487 00:22:35,144 --> 00:22:36,864 Speaker 1: No, but I don't think his team's really covering up 488 00:22:36,864 --> 00:22:38,584 Speaker 1: that they leaked it, because it's meant to sort of 489 00:22:38,624 --> 00:22:40,984 Speaker 1: paint him in, you know, a victim line and saying 490 00:22:40,984 --> 00:22:43,384 Speaker 1: that this powerful woman in her team pushed my family 491 00:22:43,424 --> 00:22:45,504 Speaker 1: and my loved ones side down to a basement, literally 492 00:22:45,544 --> 00:22:47,904 Speaker 1: a basement. I don't know how many theaters have basements, 493 00:22:47,944 --> 00:22:50,304 Speaker 1: but apparently this one did, and they're waiting down there 494 00:22:50,344 --> 00:22:52,344 Speaker 1: and like tucked away, and he's talking about how much 495 00:22:52,624 --> 00:22:54,584 Speaker 1: the filmmaking matters to him more So, it's all very 496 00:22:54,584 --> 00:22:55,984 Speaker 1: you know, it's all very kind of set up for 497 00:22:56,024 --> 00:22:57,984 Speaker 1: that moment. So I guess a few things to take 498 00:22:57,984 --> 00:22:59,944 Speaker 1: away on this, and one of them is like Justin 499 00:23:00,024 --> 00:23:03,104 Speaker 1: and his team and his lawyers must think that they 500 00:23:03,144 --> 00:23:05,224 Speaker 1: have a lot of stuff on Blake and Ryan in 501 00:23:05,264 --> 00:23:08,064 Speaker 1: particular to be able to go after them to this extent, 502 00:23:08,144 --> 00:23:10,024 Speaker 1: because suing them and suing the New York Times are 503 00:23:10,064 --> 00:23:12,184 Speaker 1: two almost very different things. Like for the New York Times, 504 00:23:12,184 --> 00:23:14,624 Speaker 1: they're trying to prove that what they they haven't told 505 00:23:14,664 --> 00:23:18,744 Speaker 1: the full story. For the lawsuit against Blake and Ryan, 506 00:23:18,944 --> 00:23:21,584 Speaker 1: they're trying to prove that they did a lot of 507 00:23:22,064 --> 00:23:25,664 Speaker 1: nefarious things behind the scenes and that they acted inappropriately. 508 00:23:25,744 --> 00:23:28,624 Speaker 1: And they must think that they have enough to cancel 509 00:23:28,704 --> 00:23:30,864 Speaker 1: out the horrific things Blake has said. Like I found 510 00:23:30,864 --> 00:23:31,744 Speaker 1: that very hard to believe. 511 00:23:31,784 --> 00:23:34,864 Speaker 3: It feels like both sides feel like they have enough. Yeah, 512 00:23:35,024 --> 00:23:37,424 Speaker 3: and I'm very confused, but I feel like this is 513 00:23:37,584 --> 00:23:39,664 Speaker 3: from all, like especially all the stuff that's getting leaked 514 00:23:39,704 --> 00:23:42,224 Speaker 3: like text messages, audio. I think it's going to be 515 00:23:42,344 --> 00:23:43,144 Speaker 3: really messy. 516 00:23:43,584 --> 00:23:45,304 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just think I don't know, Like listening 517 00:23:45,384 --> 00:23:47,104 Speaker 1: to that voice note, I was like, I don't know 518 00:23:47,384 --> 00:23:49,104 Speaker 1: if that was the right move to leak that. I 519 00:23:49,144 --> 00:23:51,464 Speaker 1: don't think it was because it makes you think, I 520 00:23:51,504 --> 00:23:53,184 Speaker 1: mean it got again. Depends which side of the story 521 00:23:53,184 --> 00:23:55,304 Speaker 1: you're leaning into. But for me, it makes me think, 522 00:23:55,744 --> 00:23:57,944 Speaker 1: but why were you pushed away? Why would no one 523 00:23:57,984 --> 00:23:59,944 Speaker 1: else with the cast company you? Why have they all 524 00:23:59,944 --> 00:24:02,584 Speaker 1: supported Blake? Why have like to me that doesn't paint 525 00:24:02,624 --> 00:24:04,704 Speaker 1: you in a good light of saying like I've been 526 00:24:04,744 --> 00:24:06,704 Speaker 1: separated from the cast and crew and none of them 527 00:24:06,704 --> 00:24:09,464 Speaker 1: will look at me like I understand. Maybe there's you know, 528 00:24:09,944 --> 00:24:13,384 Speaker 1: he's so far being like pushed down the public opinion 529 00:24:13,424 --> 00:24:15,424 Speaker 1: and people, so many people are so on Blake's side. 530 00:24:15,424 --> 00:24:16,944 Speaker 1: Now maybe he feels that this will get a bit 531 00:24:16,984 --> 00:24:19,304 Speaker 1: of sympathy out there. But it's a very messy situation. 532 00:24:19,384 --> 00:24:21,624 Speaker 1: But yeah, I'll be very interested to see what type 533 00:24:21,624 --> 00:24:24,864 Speaker 1: of a lawsuit they do file against Blake and Ryan, 534 00:24:24,944 --> 00:24:27,104 Speaker 1: because they've dropped a few things, but they keep eluding 535 00:24:27,184 --> 00:24:29,624 Speaker 1: well not even looting. They're saying, we have all this 536 00:24:29,744 --> 00:24:32,664 Speaker 1: stuff on them, so very messy, and I think it's 537 00:24:32,664 --> 00:24:34,264 Speaker 1: going to continue on for many months. 538 00:24:34,704 --> 00:24:37,344 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 539 00:24:37,424 --> 00:24:40,504 Speaker 3: We unpacked so many things that happened over the break. 540 00:24:40,584 --> 00:24:43,504 Speaker 3: We also unpacked everything that happened over the break in 541 00:24:43,544 --> 00:24:47,104 Speaker 3: relation to the Sean Combs cases. We did that yesterday, 542 00:24:47,144 --> 00:24:49,104 Speaker 3: so if you haven't listened to that episode, just go 543 00:24:49,264 --> 00:24:51,144 Speaker 3: back and give it a listen. We'll also link it 544 00:24:51,184 --> 00:24:53,664 Speaker 3: in our show notes. The Spill is produced by Kimblely 545 00:24:53,704 --> 00:24:56,184 Speaker 3: Bradish with sound production by Scott Stronik and we'll be 546 00:24:56,224 --> 00:24:58,664 Speaker 3: back here in your podcast feed at three pm tomorrow. 547 00:24:58,704 --> 00:25:04,904 Speaker 1: Bye bye,