1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: This episode of Cez the A is brought to you 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: by GHD Unplugged Confidence you can carry with you for 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: good hair days, anytime, anywhere. 4 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 2: I don't want to go through this life and look 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 2: back and say why didn't I? Why wasn't I? You know, 6 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 2: why couldn't I. Of those four attempts when we didn't 7 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 2: make it that were, so to speak, failures, were rich, 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: rich journeys. We were on a steep learning curve each time. 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Seize the Ya Podcast. Busy and happy 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than 13 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: one way. So this is a platform to hear and 14 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: explore the stories of those who found lives they adore, the. 15 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 3: Good, bad and ugly. 16 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: The best and worst day will bear all the facets 17 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: of Seizing your Ya. I'm Sarah Davidson or a spoonful 18 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: of Sarah, a lawyer turned entrepreneur who swapped the suits 19 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: and heels to co found Matchamy and MATCHA milkbar Cza 20 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: is a series of conversations on finding a life you 21 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: love and exploring the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment 22 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: along the way. Well, today's is a guest who I'd 23 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: count as one of my favorite speakers of all time, 24 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: who I was lucky enough to hear from on Sir 25 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: Richard Branson's Necker Island during our incredible troupe with Business 26 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: Chicks in twenty nineteen. I've been hoping to share this 27 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: amazing woman's infectious enthusiasm, energetic storytelling, and mind blowing stories 28 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: since that moment nearly two years ago now, and I'm 29 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: so so excited to finally share her with you now. 30 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: Diana and Iad was probably always destined to be a 31 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: legendary swimmer, with her surname meaning water nymph in Greek mythology, 32 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: which I know because it was the name of one 33 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: of my houses in high school. With many achievements in 34 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: competitive swimming over her lifetime, it was an idea that 35 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: hit her at nine years old to swim from Cuba 36 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: to Florida that never left her. Starting from twenty ten, 37 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: Diana began the enormous quest to swim over fifty hours 38 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: solo through freezing, shark and chellyfish infested waters, making not one, 39 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: not two, but five attempts before successfully covering the one 40 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty kilometers and get this at sixty four 41 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: years old, As Hillary Clinton puts it perfectly, when you're 42 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,119 Speaker 1: facing big challenges in your life, you can simply think 43 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: about Diana and nearly anything else seems doable by comparison. 44 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: Before we jump in, I just wanted to throw a 45 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: very big shout out to Emma Isaacs and the Business 46 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: Chicks team again for continually creating invaluable, unfigettable experiences for 47 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: so many of us and making some of the world's 48 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: most fascinating and inspiring people like Diana accessible to its members. 49 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: If you aren't already a member, I can't recommend anything 50 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: more highly for seizing your yeas 'll pop a link 51 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: in the show notes. I hope you are as invigorated 52 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: and inspired by this one as I am and plays 53 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: excuse a little bit scratchy the audio than usual. The 54 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: tech boys got us good, but in true Diana fashion, 55 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: we pressed on. Oh Diana, it is so lovely to 56 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 1: see you again. 57 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 3: You. 58 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,399 Speaker 2: How have you been? So? Was it all of twenty 59 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 2: nineteen that we were in Necker Island or was it twenty. 60 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 4: Eighteen twenty nineteen to nearly two. 61 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 2: Richard's been in space. 62 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 4: Now unbelievable, unbelievable. 63 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: Talk about a dream, you know. When I was with him, 64 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 2: he said to me, and it really affected me. We 65 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: were just kind of walking. We were walking from down 66 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: by the tennis courts up to the Big House, and 67 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: he said, you see those, you know, kind of barracks 68 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: over there, Well, that's where the tennis pros, and you 69 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: know a lot of the workers on the grounds live 70 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: and then they all live on different islands close by, 71 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: but when they have to spend the night here, and 72 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: he said, the truth is, if I lost all of 73 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: this tomorrow, I could. I could live in one of 74 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: those barracks. My wife could too. But what has really 75 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: given me power with the money I have and the 76 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: success I've had, is that I can call anybody in 77 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: the world. If I call the Pope tomorrow, he will 78 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: return my call. And that is what power is. If 79 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 2: you can have influencers believe in what you believe in, 80 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 2: and help you toward your making a better world. That's 81 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: what I value, not all these beautiful, expensive things, you know. 82 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,239 Speaker 2: And I was really impressed by that, and I really 83 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 2: believe it. 84 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: I agree actually so much That's one of the biggest 85 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: things I took away from our wonderful time on the 86 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: island was that shift. For all of us, I think 87 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: had been chasing a certain type of success and thinking 88 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: that that was what we were heading towards, and actually 89 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: realizing that someone who has already reached that pinnacle over 90 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: and over and over again. His biggest takeaway for all 91 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: of us was that's not the be all and end all, 92 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: That what you think you're striving for is not necessarily 93 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: what you need to be striving for. And I think 94 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: it was good for us all to see that. 95 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 2: I think as you get older too. You know, Richard 96 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 2: and I a exactly the same age, and we had 97 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 2: I think some sympatico about now I can't compare my 98 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 2: success is because it's not of that level. But I 99 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: think as you get older, how old are you now? 100 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: For instance, two thirty two, so you know we're quite 101 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 2: a bit older. I'll be seventy two in a month 102 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 2: or so. And no, no matter what I feel vital, 103 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: I'm very you know, I've got a lot of energy, 104 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 2: I've got a lot to do left in life. But 105 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: you have to get real. Seventy two is not thirty two, 106 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: and I think that your goals broaden out to include 107 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: other people and include the world at large. When you're younger, 108 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: you you know, you could, you could be absurd and 109 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: take it to an infant. You know what an infant's 110 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: life is all about. You know what milk can I get? 111 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: What hugs can I get? It's all about me, me, me, 112 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 2: of course. And then as you get older, you start 113 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: looking outside yourself, and I think maybe Richard has achieved that. 114 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: I know in my life I've been going that direction. 115 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: Well, let's officially kick off this episode. I already started 116 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: recording because we were having such a good chat. So 117 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: welcome Diana to sees the A. It is just so 118 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: delightful to see you. As we just mentioned, we had 119 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: been on Necker Island together nearly two years ago and 120 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: it was one right up there with one of the 121 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: most transformative experiences of my life, and I imagine for 122 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: all of us on the island. We took away something 123 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: very very special, and one of the most special that 124 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: I took away was getting to hear you speak. It 125 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: was something that It's funny you mentioned that you don't 126 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: feel like you could compare yourself to Richard, I absolutely 127 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: think that you could, particularly because for people like myself, 128 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: you suspend the concept of age in a really beautiful 129 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: way that you don't see very often in a society 130 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: that often sees aging as a bad thing. You seem 131 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: to have only kept getting more and more vital as 132 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: time has gone on, which is why I'm so excited 133 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: to share your story. But I love to start every 134 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: episode by asking people what the most down to earth 135 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: thing and relatable thing is about them, because I do 136 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: think we often put people in a pedestal or our 137 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: media and perceived social media identities can be bit glossy, 138 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: and particularly with successes like yours. Knowing also that one 139 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: of the other recent podcasts you've been on was Hillary 140 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: Clinton's Podcast of All Peoples, I definitely put you on 141 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: a pedestal. But what would you say is the most 142 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: relatable thing about you? 143 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: Well? I don't mean delay this on you, but this 144 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: is about as normal and relatable as it can get. 145 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: This Sunday, so it's only a couple of days ago, 146 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 2: I had to say my final goodbyes to my beloved 147 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: hound dog Teddy. We spent sixteen years of sublime companionship together. 148 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: He made this home in my life so special, so 149 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: to have the final hug, and I've been crying rivers 150 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: of tears. I'm probably gonna cry another one in one 151 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: of the diet. But I've been hearing, not that I 152 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 2: even have put it out there far and wide, you know, 153 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 2: in terms of Facebook and all that, but I've been 154 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: hearing from you know, all my friends and family from FUM, 155 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 2: far and wide, and they know what a what a 156 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: dog's love, what an animal's love is, and it's you know, 157 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 2: we're lucky. We have love of any sort. You have 158 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 2: love of a spouse or you know, love of a 159 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: parent or a child, but it's just different. It's not 160 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: to compare, but that nonverbal loyal every day. And so 161 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: I've been looking for him. You know, it's only the 162 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: second day and I'm looking, Teddy, where are you come back? 163 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: Let me love you? Let me love you again? So, 164 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: you know, talk about something that's not super superhuman. Millions 165 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 2: of us feel it. I don't know if you ever 166 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 2: heard the quote, but it goes the best defense of 167 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 2: atheism is that if there were a god, our animals 168 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: would live the same lifespan we do, instead of every 169 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: twelve fourteen sixteen years going through the devastating depth of 170 00:08:55,800 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 2: a family member that's so cherished in your heart. But 171 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 2: it's just not the case. I've gone through it before 172 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 2: and that didn't make this time any easier. So, you know, 173 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: talk about a relatable human experience, that's my latest one, 174 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 2: and it's it's profound. 175 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry to hear that. 176 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: And you know, honestly, I was so so incredibly humbled 177 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: that you agreed to come on the show. But knowing 178 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: that you had a passing of our little fur babies 179 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: in the last two days, that even makes me trivially 180 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: as humbled, because I wouldn't be showing up on podcasts 181 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: two days after. 182 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 2: But isn't it. It's one of the lessons we learned 183 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 2: from our animals because they don't live as long as 184 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 2: we do. That we love again, we need to live, 185 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: we need to live on. So I've cried plenty, I'm 186 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: going to cry plenty more. Last night. I will admit 187 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: that I was never a John Denver fan. May you 188 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: rest in peace, but I just wasn't my kind of music. 189 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: But last night Bonnie and I were up and we 190 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 2: were crying, and we were telling all our Teddy stories 191 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: again and again it was gone the radio. That John 192 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: Denver song came, which says, come let me love you, 193 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 2: Come love me again, and I cried another rivera too. 194 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 2: You know I could have said to you today, I'm 195 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: just not up to it, but we need to. He's 196 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 2: taught me. He's gone and I can cry, and I'm 197 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: sure I will for many days to come. I'll miss 198 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: him forever, but I need to. I need to live 199 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 2: a life, and he was a great professor of every day. 200 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: I had a beautiful quote as well that always makes 201 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: me feel better about it, that don't lament that your 202 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: dog doesn't live for your entire. 203 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 4: Life, because you were there in his entire life. 204 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: And that makes me feel so happy that he never 205 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: had to know a day without you and without your love. 206 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: And you know that I love that quote. And to 207 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 2: add to it, you know, Sarah, I have virtually my 208 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: whole life been traveling. I just lived my life on 209 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 2: the road except for the training actually for the Cuba 210 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 2: swim but because of COVID starting March twenty twenty until now, 211 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 2: I have not been on a plane. You know, all 212 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 2: the speeches have been virtual. I've turned down every possible 213 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 2: trip that I might have taken because I wanted to 214 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 2: see my dog through the twilight of his life. Instead 215 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: of calling the dog sitter and hearing how his legs 216 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 2: were failing or how he's doing, I observed him and 217 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 2: cuddled him. And I do think it extended his life 218 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 2: and equality not just a time frame. Listen, people died 219 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 2: through COVID. They're still dying. People couldn't go to the 220 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 2: hospital to say goodbye to their family and their friends. 221 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: People lost their businesses, people crumbled financially. So I was lucky, 222 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 2: one of the lucky ones. You know. Nothing devastating happened 223 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: to me. But I will say that it was a 224 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 2: positive life experience COVID for me in that because of 225 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 2: being home, I had some sort of what you might 226 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 2: call everyday life values, eating dinner with Bonnie every night 227 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 2: instead of eating in some airport and being my teddy 228 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 2: every day and every night for the last year and 229 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: aur so from one of the few, maybe you could 230 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 2: say that I was grateful for the epidemic in a way. 231 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 2: Don't let me sound my selfish, little dog moment. 232 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 4: No, I absolutely agree. 233 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: I think well, of course, we wouldn't wish for it 234 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: to happen the way that it did. There are many 235 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: silver linings in terms of pace, reevaluation and life priorities 236 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: and those little moments I call them little yays every 237 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: day in the context of seizing the AA. I think 238 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: we're always so pulled forward by this relentless forward motion 239 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: towards productivity and busyness and all for things often that 240 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: we love that are wonderful opportunities. But it does mean 241 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: sometimes you're going so quickly your emotions don't have time 242 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: to catch up with you that you just can't appreciate those. 243 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 3: Small things like having dinner together. 244 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: So I'm so glad that you've been able to find 245 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: little silver linings in the last couple of years. But 246 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, you have had a very incredibly busy, ampacked, 247 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 1: wonderful life, and you are one of the most wonderful 248 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: storytellers I have ever heard. In fact, the moment you 249 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: got out your bugle was just one of the highlights 250 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: of my life. The very first section is your way Ta, 251 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: which is basically explaining and going through all of the 252 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: different chapters from very young Diana to now, because I 253 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: think people often walk into your life at this chapter 254 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: knowing how clear of purpose you are and what you know, 255 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: what your values are, and how much direction you have 256 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: about everything you do. And assume that you arrived there 257 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: one day and you just knew what you know, what 258 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: you were meant to do on this earth. But I 259 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: don't think it happens that way, and it definitely doesn't 260 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: happen in a straight line like most people assume. So 261 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: take us back to very young Diana, what were you 262 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: like as a kid? I mean, I feel like the 263 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: fact that your surname is also a water nymph in 264 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: Greek mythology is actually pretty damn cool. 265 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 2: And you know, even before I answer you Sarah, and 266 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 2: we'll go back to you know, my youth, which is 267 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 2: so long ago, honestly I can barely remember it. But 268 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: I will say that, you know, it's often a clichd 269 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 2: question that a lot of interviews ask someone who's, you know, 270 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 2: a bit older, and they'll say, what today would you 271 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 2: tell your twenty year old self? And I say, that's 272 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: patently absurd. You know, you know, the French expression goes, 273 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 2: if only we knew more as the younger person, and 274 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 2: we could do more as the older person. But you know, 275 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 2: life is meant to be learned as you learn it. 276 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: So I can't take you know, this supposed wisdom I 277 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 2: have at seventy one, Almo, let's call it seventy two 278 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 2: or just a month shy. And by the way, Americans, 279 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: better than anyone in the world, hold on to our ages. 280 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: I'm not seventy two. It's for twelve more out, don't 281 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 2: go seventy two. I'm not seventy two. But anyway, I'm 282 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: almost seventy two, So let's just call it that. How 283 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: in the world would that twenty year old have fifty 284 00:14:55,960 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 2: years of heartache and growing up and and becoming a 285 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: you know, having perspective on the rest of the world, 286 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 2: I'll woutch you. How can I give that wisdom to 287 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 2: that twenty year old? It's just it's just absurd. So 288 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: I just want to throw that in first and say that, 289 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 2: you know, I guess as a young person, and I 290 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: like to think, Sarah, one of the privileges of my 291 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: life has been travel. I sometimes I can pick up 292 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: the globe and I say, you know, it's not like 293 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 2: I've lived everywhere, surely, but I've almost been everywhere. I've 294 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: been to all the countries on the continent of Africa, 295 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 2: same South America, all the cities in Western Europe, just 296 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: about everywhere, Antarctica, et cetera. And one thing I find 297 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: is that, yes, people have talents depending on what your 298 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 2: culture appreciates. People have luck depending on you know, your 299 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: birthright and some circumstances, you know, as you move through life. 300 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: But I do think that the seven billion people on 301 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: the planet today, let's say a caveat almost half don't 302 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: even have enough water to drink every day. But of 303 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: the three and a half billion, like you and me, 304 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: you and I, I should say you have some choices 305 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 2: and have been you know, we could say fortunate in 306 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: a lot of ways. I think that basically we're all 307 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: the same. We want to be part of a community 308 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: that we help each other in. We want to live 309 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: and love and dance and eat and drink. And you know, 310 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: I don't care whether you're wearing a three thousand dollars 311 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 2: pin striped suit or a you're in a hut, you know, 312 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 2: in the Masai tribe in Kenya, those particular facets, the 313 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 2: basics of human life are there. So I don't consider 314 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: myself special at all. I think I am one of 315 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: three and a half billion or are lucky enough to 316 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: make some choices and to have clean water every day. 317 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: But one thing that might have been a little different 318 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 2: for me as a child, and I really don't know 319 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: where it came from. I didn't have a parent who 320 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 2: sat me down with this, or I didn't read some 321 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 2: book where I got this, or see some movie where 322 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 2: this was something that came to me. But most kids, 323 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 2: of course, if you're under let's say age ten, they're 324 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 2: not focused on, you know, when they're going to be eighteen. 325 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 2: They can't even imagine being eleven, so they're very much 326 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 2: just waking up and eating their cereal and running around 327 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 2: and petting their dog and doing what they do. But 328 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 2: for some reason, I had a pressure. I felt the 329 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 2: pressure of the ticking clock when I was very young, 330 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 2: and I felt it every single day. I was in 331 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 2: fifth grade, so I was ten years old, that's our 332 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,479 Speaker 2: grade system, and the teacher said we should write an 333 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 2: essay about what you want to do for the rest 334 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 2: of your life, and almost all the kids were, well, 335 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 2: I want to be a firefighter, I want to be 336 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 2: a doctor, I want to blah blah blah. And my 337 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 2: essay was all about the desperate passage of time. I said, 338 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 2: And I didn't get to know my grandparents, but I 339 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 2: understand that they live to be into their early or 340 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 2: mid eighties, all of them. That means I only have 341 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 2: seventy years don't live. I've got to get busy. I've 342 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 2: already wasted the first ten. I gotta get busy. So 343 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: something about me is driven to go to sleep every 344 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: night where I've whether I've done something for myself or 345 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 2: my dog or the world at large, with no regrets. 346 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 2: I don't want to go through this life and look 347 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 2: back and say, why didn't I. Why wasn't I, you know, 348 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 2: Why couldn't I? You know? And it's true, like I said, 349 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 2: I can't make my twenty year old self know what 350 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 2: I know now. But I bet you I was doing 351 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 2: the best I could with whatever skills I had at 352 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 2: the age of twenty, whatever mentors I didn't have at 353 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 2: the age of twenty. And I try to go to 354 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 2: bed every night just like that ten year old me did, 355 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 2: saying wow, I just couldn't have done any more, or 356 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 2: with that day, Let's get a little sleep and get 357 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 2: up and do it again. You know, I think that 358 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 2: really sums up I can tell you. Oh I started 359 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,479 Speaker 2: swimming man, and I was living by the ocean, and 360 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 2: that's why I'm sort of involved with it all that. 361 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 2: There are all those details, but I think the basic, 362 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: you know, sort of life value that I got somehow, 363 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 2: don't know how early, don't waste it, don't look back 364 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: at any of it with any regrets. 365 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: That is extraordinary, because I do think it takes a 366 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: lot of people an entire lifetime to kind of reach 367 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: that realization, after which I don't think anything is a 368 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: waste of time. And I also never think it is 369 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: too late not to have a big epiphany and start 370 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: to seize the most of what time you do have. 371 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: But I think it does take a lot of people 372 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: a lot longer, some kind of breakdown in the middle first, 373 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 1: a couple of like veering off down different directions and 374 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: coming back. 375 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 4: But I love what you said. 376 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 3: About not going back and wanting to change anything. 377 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: Because I often have a similar response when I get asked, 378 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: what would you tell your thirteen year old self? And 379 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: of course I'd want to go back and hold myself 380 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: in a tender embrace and say you don't need all 381 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: that makeup, and don't worry about boys, and like, you know, 382 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: all the things you think of the end of the 383 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: world are not a droop in the ocean compared to 384 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: what will come. But again I think you do. You 385 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: have to learn all those things going forward, which means 386 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: that at any one chapter in my life, even if 387 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: I didn't go on and do all of those things forever, 388 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,479 Speaker 1: like my legal career didn't stay in that forever, I 389 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: never think of it as a waste because it got 390 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: me the knowledge that I needed to get to the 391 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: next step. And I think what the way we perceive 392 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: success today does is makes things look linear, like here 393 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: is where I am now, there is where I want 394 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: to be, There is success, happiness, I'll be happy when 395 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: I get there, which means no one's ever actually happy 396 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: and fulfilled because they're never there. That yardstick just keeps 397 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: moving out and out and out, rather than just finding 398 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: little chapters along the way that are your exact fulfillment 399 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,959 Speaker 1: in that moment, Which is what I love about you. 400 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,719 Speaker 1: Because even in the water which you did jump in, 401 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: I think you started swimming seriously at seven and then 402 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: have been in the water ever since. There have been 403 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,239 Speaker 1: different versions of that. There was an Olympic attempt, then 404 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 1: there was marathon swimming, then there was a hiatus completely 405 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: after thirty where you stop professional swimming, and even within 406 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: one career or life path, there's been so many different 407 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 1: iterations of what that looks like, which again I don't 408 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: think people give themselves permission to do. They think we've 409 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: got to find out purpose and stick with it forever. 410 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: But it's evolving all the time. So can you talk 411 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: us through that current. 412 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 2: I find a lot of young people your age come 413 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: to me, you know, I might give a speech somewhere, 414 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 2: and a lot of younger people in their twenties and 415 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 2: thirties come to me and say, I have energy, I 416 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 2: have passion, I have discipline, but I don't know you 417 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 2: know what my dream is. I just am not feeling 418 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 2: anything that I really want to chase the way you've 419 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: chased your dreams. And my answer to that is, yeah, 420 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 2: it's not always easy. It's not always like, you know, 421 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 2: there's some clear, well defined world record or you know, 422 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 2: the book that you've got to write, whatever it is. 423 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 2: But what I say to people is, and you know, 424 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 2: people have said it in more politic ways that I'll 425 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 2: come up with, but Gertez said it is there's a 426 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 2: there's a magic in beginning things. And I truly believe 427 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 2: that you don't need to finish everything you begin. You 428 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 2: don't want to quit quickly, you know, you don't want 429 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 2: to just give a little try and if it doesn't 430 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 2: work for you, you know, you don't get up and 431 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: get knocked down again and try again. But if it 432 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 2: really isn't your dream, if you're just if you're suffering 433 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 2: from you know, not being able to take a step 434 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 2: in any direction, take a step in some direction, just say, 435 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 2: you know, I think I think I'll pursue a degree 436 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 2: in that in philosophy. I've always been interested. I don't 437 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 2: know what I'm gonna do with it. What am I 438 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 2: going to do make a living? That's a philosopher, you know, 439 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 2: But at least you know it interests it stirs me. 440 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 2: And then you go, because you said, sick of sitting 441 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 2: around doing nothing, hoping that a white night is going 442 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,719 Speaker 2: to ride through your horse and grab you up and 443 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 2: show you the way to you know where you should go, 444 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 2: you take a step toward that degree and you find 445 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 2: out maybe after a year you say it wasn't a 446 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: waste of time, it was worthwhile. Reading Nietzschee and Cure 447 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,719 Speaker 2: of Guard but it's not the real need. But while 448 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 2: I was taking that step, I had a vision and 449 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 2: other things came to me, And in reading Cure of Guard, 450 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 2: I decided, you know, what I really want to do 451 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 2: is sail around the world. That's what I really want 452 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 2: to do. I want to be in a sailboat and 453 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 2: be poor and catch fish every day, and I want 454 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: to sail around the world and see the whole world 455 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 2: by the ocean. I'm making all this up and I'm 456 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 2: just saying, take a step somewhere, and there's no shame 457 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 2: in not finishing that avenue. Now, if it's really a 458 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 2: dream of yours and it's deep in your soul and heart, 459 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 2: and you're on your way and you've taken the steps, 460 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 2: but you've gotten knocked down and you can't get there. Now, 461 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 2: I say, you don't give up, You get back up, 462 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 2: you take the more steps, you get knocked down again, 463 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 2: And if you really have it in your resolve, deep 464 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 2: in your soul, but that's where you want to go, 465 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 2: that's what you want to do. Now, you don't give up. 466 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: That wasn't just a well I don't know what to do. 467 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: I'll take a couple of steps this way. If it 468 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 2: doesn't work out, I'll take a couple of steps that way. 469 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 2: I started a PhD in my twenties in comparative literature. 470 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 2: Really my book that I was reading French and German 471 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 2: novels all day and discussing them. My mother would say, well, 472 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 2: that's great. How are you going to make a living, 473 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,479 Speaker 2: you know, reading French novels. But I was in this 474 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 2: pursuit and I swam around Manhattan Island in the middle 475 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 2: of that degree. It became a big deal, and all 476 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 2: of a sudden, I had a different vision and wanted 477 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 2: to go for Cuba and wanted to be a sports announcer, 478 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 2: and so I let that degree behind me. Has that 479 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 2: bothered me my whole life. I've been saying, I've got 480 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 2: to finish that PhD in compareative literature. I can't be unsuccessful. No, 481 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 2: I don't care about it. But it was worthwhile. It's 482 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 2: worth a few steps I took toward that PhD and 483 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 2: I left it behind and something else bubbled up that 484 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,479 Speaker 2: was more the real me. So you know, there are 485 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 2: sort of two factions I'm talking about. If you don't 486 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 2: know what to do and you don't have a dream 487 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 2: in mind, do something don't just sit around hoping it'll 488 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 2: come to you. But if you have a big dream 489 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 2: and you want to have a child, you know something, 490 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 2: really that's going to take all your life to dedicate 491 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 2: yourself to. Now you stick with it, you go and 492 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 2: that child becomes your priority and you live it and 493 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 2: no matter how tough it is, you get to the 494 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 2: other side with that child. 495 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, this is why I love talking to 496 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:41,959 Speaker 4: you so much. 497 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: You are so energizing and infigurating, and it's just so true. 498 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: If you don't know what you want to do, the 499 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: time's going to pause anyway, so you might as well 500 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: do something. But once you do know what you want 501 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: to do, I thought it was actually interesting for the 502 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: woman who has made five attempts to swim from Cuba 503 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: to Flow to say you don't necessarily have to finish something. 504 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel like this woman needs to finish something. 505 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: But I love the caveat that if it turns out 506 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: not to be what you want, there is no shame 507 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: in not finishing something that doesn't serve you anymore. Because 508 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: finding out that you don't like something, I think is 509 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: just as valuable as finding out what you do like. 510 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: Because it's still a step closer to the thing that 511 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: you do want to do. So given that you did 512 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: have this big calling to do this gigantic, enormous swim 513 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: and passion enough to get you through five attempts of 514 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: what is, I can only imagine how. I can't even 515 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: imagine how grueling it must have been. And I've already 516 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: heard the story, but it gives me goosebumps every time, 517 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: knowing that that was your goal. 518 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 4: How did the. 519 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 1: Olympic attempt play into it? How did the shorter distance swimming? 520 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,959 Speaker 1: And then how do you decide to close that chapter, 521 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: take a break from swimming, come back to it. Talk 522 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: us through how you ultimately got to that first attempt, because. 523 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 3: There are a lot of different things first, Yeah. 524 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,479 Speaker 2: But to truth this, Sarah, you know, you know often 525 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 2: I'm older than you are. So sometimes I read people's 526 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: versions of my life and say, yeah, they don't have 527 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 2: it quite right, because you can. You know, if you 528 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 2: want to tell your life, you tell it yourself. So 529 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 2: people have written about, oh, I had this heart disease, 530 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 2: which I did. It was called endocarditis. It's not the 531 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 2: end of the world, but I was three months in 532 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 2: strict lay down bed rest, and that was in the 533 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 2: middle of my sprint swimming teenage career, and so yes, 534 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 2: I lost some muscle, I lost some speed. But the 535 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: truth is I wasn't one of the best swimmers in 536 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 2: the world. I wasn't one of the top sprinters in 537 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 2: the United States. I didn't know as a teenager that 538 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 2: my talent was swimming powerful miles over the curvature of 539 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 2: the earth. I thought swimming was swimming in a fifty 540 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 2: meter pool, fast as you could from end to end. 541 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 2: You know. So I can't ever say it's been written 542 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 2: about me that I would have maybe could have made 543 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 2: the sixtieth Olympic team. It's not true. I wasn't in 544 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 2: that elite category. No, I wasn't. But I found out after, 545 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 2: you know, high school ended and sprint swimming ended. I 546 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 2: did my best to try to make it to the trials, 547 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 2: not the team, just to the trials of the sixty Olympics. 548 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 2: Didn't make it there, and I didn't know about marathon swimming. 549 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 2: I went on to life. I was going to college, 550 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 2: and then I went to graduate school and a friend 551 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: of mine said, you know, you know, there's this sport 552 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 2: called marathon swimming. I've seen you. I was just swimming 553 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 2: labs for exercise in the Columbia University pool and he said, 554 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 2: my god, you got this beautiful gliding perfect. So you 555 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 2: know that the Earth is four fifth water? Do you 556 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 2: know that people all over the world stand on shores 557 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 2: and a gun goes off and they raise each other 558 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 2: did the other side of the lake or the ocean 559 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 2: or the river? And why don't you do that? It's 560 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: a sport. Why aren't you in that sport? And so 561 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 2: I joined that sport. But it wasn't a big dream 562 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,479 Speaker 2: of my little Now I will say that the Cuba 563 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 2: swim was a big dream of mine. I was nine 564 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 2: years old living in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. If those of 565 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 2: you from you know, from down under, don't know, it's 566 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 2: very close to Miami. And in nineteen fifty nine the 567 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 2: Cuban Revolution happened. Fidel Castro came in to you know, 568 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 2: some people say, to save Cuba and turn it from 569 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 2: a third world country into a second world country so 570 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 2: that people could have medicine and education. There are a 571 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 2: whole bunch of other Cubans who will say he came 572 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 2: in to be a despot and took over. So that's 573 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 2: for all you to decide. But nevertheless, thousands of Cubans 574 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 2: had twenty four hours to leave if they didn't want 575 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 2: to live under the Fidel Castro regime. They came to 576 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 2: my home town and overnight all my friends were Cuban. 577 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 2: We were eating Cuban food, we were dancing salsa, and 578 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 2: we were flying the Cuban flag. And I became, like 579 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 2: many people, obsessed with the mystique of this forbidden island 580 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 2: right off our shores. And one day I was on 581 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 2: the beach. I was nine years old with my French mother, 582 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 2: who spoke with a very thick accent. My father also 583 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 2: spoke with a thick accent. So that's right there. That's 584 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 2: a lot of fun at home when you can't understand 585 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 2: either of your parents. And I said to my mom, Mom, 586 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 2: I was already a little swimmer, you know, I said, Mom, 587 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 2: I know Cuba's out there. Where is it? I can't 588 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 2: see it? And she lived up Jones. She said, well 589 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 2: is this way? No, no, no, it's well this way 590 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 2: over there. 591 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 5: Havana is just across the horizon rightdea as a metal fact, 592 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 5: it is so close. You, you little champion swimmer, you 593 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 5: you could almost swim there, swim. 594 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 2: There, are you kidding? I have swim there and you 595 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 2: can't even see it. So I wasn't yet a distant swimmer, 596 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 2: but that that little nugget of vision of swimming all 597 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 2: the way to Cuba. And then I did, you know, 598 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 2: know later on in research that from ten years before that, 599 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 2: nineteen fifty, the great marathon swimmers of the world, the 600 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 2: grand many are from Australia, had tried to swim from 601 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 2: Cuba to Florida. It became the Mount Everest of the 602 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 2: EU's oceans. To a swimmer. There are a lot of 603 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 2: great swims, you know in Tasmania and you know off 604 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 2: Cairns and the English Channel and all over, but the 605 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 2: Cuba swim has been called the Mount Everest of the earthsoceans. 606 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 2: So that always, even before I became a marathon swimmer 607 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 2: in my twenties, was always kind of somehow fluttering around 608 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 2: back here. 609 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 4: I love that so much. 610 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: I feel like the dots have always been there and 611 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: then just it took a little while for them or 612 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: to connect together. But finally you did actually get in 613 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: the water for this what more than fifty hours swim 614 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: and it and five times, I mean, this is what 615 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: blows my mind in a probably in a generation where 616 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: we're a bit instagratuity focused, where we say like one attempt, 617 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: maybe not even a full harder attempt if it doesn't go, 618 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: If there's one adversity, we're like, oh I failed, I'm 619 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: not going to try again. 620 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 4: Like there's not the same resilience. 621 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: Maybe mass generalization, but I think we're so fast paced 622 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: that we kind of like try, you know, put out 623 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: a toe in the water and go, oh, I wasn't 624 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: very good at that. 625 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 4: Move on. For someone to have. 626 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: Done this five times and not know and not be 627 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: guaranteed that the fifth time you're getting back for another grueling, 628 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: fifty hour swim and to keep going how how I 629 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: mean the fact that you're in front of me and 630 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: have survived this blows my mind? What does it even 631 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: feel like to swim that far but then to not 632 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: make it and then to do it again to get 633 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: your head in the game, Like I just you're like 634 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: a goddess in my brain. 635 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 2: Well, it means a lot to me that you appreciate, 636 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 2: you know, how long the journey was, because you know, 637 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 2: you could say that wouldn't that be enough if you 638 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 2: just dived in the ocean and Havana and emerged on 639 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 2: the Florida beach fifty two hours and fifty four minutes later. 640 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 2: And by the way, you're never allowed to touch the boat, 641 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 2: never allowed to grab onto the kayak. So if you stop, 642 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 2: it's still on your own steam. You're treading water to 643 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 2: take down a little bit of fuel and stuff. But 644 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 2: you are in the water and moving for that entire 645 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 2: fifty two hours fifty four minutes. But my team knows 646 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 2: that that's the tip of the iceberg. Not only did 647 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 2: we have four previous attempts, each one about as long 648 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 2: as that one, fifty one hours this time, forty eight hours, 649 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 2: another time, you know, going in the wrong direction, Sharks 650 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 2: and jellyfish bothering us, and I never gave up. But 651 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 2: mother nature was too big on the other four times. 652 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 2: And as soon as we knew we couldn't make it, 653 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 2: the navigator, Bonnie, my head handler and head of the expedition, 654 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 2: the shark divers, all of the main crew, I come 655 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 2: and tread water now near the boat. They tell me 656 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 2: that we were far far off course, that the storm 657 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 2: that went through blew us to the east and we 658 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 2: couldn't make land. Well, then just like if you are 659 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 2: on Mount Everest and one hundred mile an hour wind 660 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 2: comes up, you don't You're not in a position of well, 661 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 2: my will will overcome one hundred mile an hour wind. 662 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 2: You save your life and you start going down and 663 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 2: you say, it just wasn't our day. We're going to 664 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 2: have to come back another day. So that's what happened 665 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 2: on the four previous attempts, one way back in the 666 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 2: seventies when I was young, in my twenties, and the 667 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 2: other three attempts were later in my sixties when I 668 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 2: went back to chase his dream again. But really even more, 669 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 2: that's what our team knows. That's where Bonnie lived with 670 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 2: me and John Bartlett and Navigator, all of the core team. 671 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 2: Wasn't really those attempts because once you're on the attempt, 672 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 2: you're adrenaline going, You're you're in the you're in the 673 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 2: big dance. So there isn't a problem with your resolution 674 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 2: and with your you know, your ability to overtake pain. 675 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 2: But what about the training? And isn't this true of 676 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 2: all athletes, I should say, of everybody you know. You 677 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 2: see when Roger Federer has gone to the grass and 678 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 2: Wimbledon and cried when he's won, and I'm so afraid 679 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 2: we may never see him win again or at that 680 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 2: stage of his career. But what an elegant, beautiful champion. 681 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 2: But when he's gone to his knees on the grass 682 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 2: of Wimbledon and cried, it isn't because of that match. 683 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 2: It's because nobody knows, like him and his team, what 684 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 2: he's gone through, how many hundreds of thousands of backhands 685 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 2: down the line of you know, long grueling, you know 686 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 2: practices well, marathons, swimming. I respect all sports. I'm not 687 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 2: sure there's a more grueling sport in terms of lonely hours. 688 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 2: You know, just you've got a tight cap on, you've 689 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 2: got bogged over goggles. You don't hear anything, you don't 690 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 2: see anything. So I would go out early in the season. 691 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 2: If I were going to be doing the swim in 692 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 2: the summer, i'd go out in November December, and in 693 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 2: the Caribbean swim ten hours one day. I'm not in 694 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 2: shape for that yet, I'm that night, I'm in the 695 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 2: feeble position and the shower floor. I can't even get 696 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 2: up for dinner. But the next day I get up 697 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 2: and I do eleven hours and the next day, I 698 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 2: get up and I do twelve hours and by the 699 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 2: by the end of the training swim before heading to 700 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 2: Key West and getting ready to sequester to get over 701 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 2: to Cuba. When the weather looks right, we're doing sixteen, 702 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 2: eighteen and twenty four hours swims. I mean, just you know, 703 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 2: in even in the world of a marathon swimming, it's extreme. 704 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 2: So that's honestly. When I reached that shore finally, of 705 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 2: course there was a relief, there was a joy in 706 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,959 Speaker 2: the victory and to share it with my team. But honestly, Sarah, 707 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 2: more than anything, what I was filled with was I 708 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 2: never slept in if it was two am and we 709 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 2: were doing a fourteen hour swim and I had to 710 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 2: get up to start eating and stretching and get ready, 711 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 2: I never said not today, I don't feel like it, 712 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,879 Speaker 2: you know. I never said, just give me one more 713 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 2: hour sleep, let's let's start a little bit later. I 714 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 2: got up at two am every single time. And that's 715 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 2: what I remember. When I had that beach, I said, 716 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,720 Speaker 2: you did it. You refused to do it in any 717 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 2: way less than what it would take to get across 718 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 2: this ocean. So that was that was the fuel of 719 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 2: it and the fire of it. 720 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 4: Honestly, Oh my gosh. 721 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: I think that's such an important reminder because people see 722 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 1: these big titles CNN Diana Nayad swims from Cuba to 723 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 1: Florida and it's like, oh wow, this woman just got 724 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 1: in the water and swim all the way there and 725 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: successfully made it. But it's like business or any great 726 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: success that has those big titles and like glossy exterior, 727 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: you know, people always laugh about. I had Samantha Whill's 728 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: on the podcast recently, who made it from you know, 729 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: a Bondai market making bead a jewelry on her dining 730 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 1: table to on the Sex and the City Cars j LO. 731 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,720 Speaker 1: Like her jewelry was everywhere from this little Australian business. 732 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,959 Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, it took me twelve years to become 733 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: an overnight success, Like that's what it got referred to as. 734 00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: And she's like, no, no, there is no overnight success. 735 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: Just the narrative that gets pushed out there later is 736 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: only the achievement, not what it took to get there. 737 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 2: That's a great story hers and I think it's so 738 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 2: important that young people hear you say this, because you know, 739 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 2: the people dream first of all, if you see a 740 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 2: little kid, they're watching the Olympics, So you know, you 741 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 2: can say a six year old says, I'm going to 742 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,359 Speaker 2: be in the Olympics, and they're allowed to say that. 743 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,439 Speaker 2: They don't know, they don't know what it's going to take, 744 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 2: but it you know, you use the word instant radical 745 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,720 Speaker 2: gratification just a little bit ago. There are young people 746 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 2: now and you know, everything is quick by the Internet 747 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 2: and social media and whatnot. Who say I'm going to 748 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 2: be that jeweler, I'm going to make millions of dollars. 749 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 2: I'm doing jewelry in my own own But they don't 750 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 2: know what the discipline and the vision and the teamwork 751 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 2: and you know, and the failures that are that are 752 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 2: going to take to get there. And you know they're 753 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 2: going to be disappointed when they find out that it 754 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 2: does not come quickly. I can't think of any success 755 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 2: story that truly was overnight. I can't think of one. 756 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they they don't exist. But that's also 757 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 1: changed my relationship. I mean, even the podcast alone and 758 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: hearing how much it does take ten twenty years, sometimes 759 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: thirty forty fifty years even for some people to find 760 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 1: their purpose in the iteration and the version that becomes 761 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 1: the thing that they've waited for their whole life. Is 762 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: that like, my relationship to failure has changed a lot 763 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,800 Speaker 1: as well, because I think you once would see it 764 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,359 Speaker 1: as a stop sign, but it's just a speed bump 765 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: on the way to refining and tweaking to trying again. 766 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 4: And that's why I love your story. 767 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 1: So much, because you don't hear of many people who 768 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,879 Speaker 1: achieve something on the fifth attempt, because most people don't 769 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: make the fifth attempt because it's five times more than 770 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: they expect it's going to take them. 771 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 2: Well, in this particular case, nobody even went for the 772 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 2: second attempt. Most people who tried this whim there's so 773 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 2: much danger out there and it's grueling. They just say 774 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 2: never coming back. They're going to go on to some 775 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,399 Speaker 2: other dream. But you know, let's talk about the word 776 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 2: failure for a second. I don't know. I think to 777 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 2: sum it up is to go back to that whole 778 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 2: Greek debate of are we involved in the destination only? 779 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 2: And everything we do you know, it's not worthwhile unless 780 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,799 Speaker 2: we reach the final destination, or are we engaged in 781 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,760 Speaker 2: the journey and we are thirsty for all the life 782 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 2: living and the life lessons that come of traveling that journey. 783 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 2: And that's what all those you know, Greek stories were about. 784 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 2: So yes, I was okay with people saying, oh, the 785 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 2: third attempt and she failed. Oh the fourth attempt she 786 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 2: failed again, because you know, if you want to just 787 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 2: put it in kind of black and white terms, I 788 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 2: didn't make it to the shore of Florida where I 789 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,840 Speaker 2: said I was aiming to go to. But the life 790 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,359 Speaker 2: experience of those four attempts when we didn't make it 791 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 2: that were, so to speak, failures, were rich, rich journeys 792 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 2: that all of us on that team we were involved 793 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 2: with with deep friendship and trust in each other. We 794 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 2: were on a steep learning curve each time every expedition 795 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 2: on Mother Earth comes home, you know, with new scientific 796 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 2: data and new tech elements to learn with new ways 797 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,760 Speaker 2: to tap into the human spirit and to work together 798 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 2: as a team. So we were growing and we were adventuring. 799 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 2: And there wasn't one person on that team who I 800 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 2: don't think wouldn't have gone back for a sixth and 801 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,240 Speaker 2: a seventh. Not one of them ever paid a dime, 802 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 2: no money. They were giving time off, taking time away 803 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,800 Speaker 2: from their families, their businesses, but they were involved in history. 804 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 2: They were involved in the grandest adventure of their lives, 805 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 2: you know, Sarah. I went to a school in New 806 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 2: York City when it was over, the fifth successful one, 807 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 2: and it was a great thing. There were eight hundred 808 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,919 Speaker 2: kids in the school and they decided to take their 809 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,240 Speaker 2: entire school year. The teachers did and using the Cuba 810 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 2: swim as the basis for their studies. So whether it 811 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 2: was biology or writing, or music or art, it was 812 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 2: all about the Cuba swim. So I was so honored. 813 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 2: And they had a big assembly and there was one 814 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 2: kid from each grade, first grade through eighth grade who 815 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 2: had been chosen to come up to take the microphone 816 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 2: and asked me a question. The third grader was named Joaquin, 817 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 2: and he was adorable. He had his shirt buttoned up 818 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,360 Speaker 2: like this and his hair was parted perfectly. And he 819 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 2: came up and he said, well, miss nad my question 820 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,280 Speaker 2: is if you didn't make it on the fifth time, 821 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 2: would you have tried again? And I said, Waki, do 822 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 2: you know what the word moot means? Moot? And he 823 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 2: said no. So an eighth grade girl came up and 824 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,480 Speaker 2: she gave the definition of moot is that that question 825 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 2: is just it's not pertinent anymore because you did make it, 826 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 2: so it's hard to imagine that you didn't make it. 827 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 2: And so I explained to him what went and he said, okay, well, 828 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,240 Speaker 2: but still would you have tried again make it? I said, Joaqui, 829 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 2: let's say yes. Let's say I would have tried to 830 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 2: the end of my life to try to make that 831 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 2: swim because I had it so deep, you know, in 832 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:01,840 Speaker 2: my I saw to make it. 833 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 1: Across a quick break to share a recent yay maker 834 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 1: of mine from the legendary team at GHD. You guys 835 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: know I start to bang on a lot about the 836 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 1: things that make life easier in some way, but you 837 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: will thank. 838 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,399 Speaker 3: Me for this one. 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Another interesting facet of success, I 857 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 1: think is that then sometimes because you don't know when 858 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: the successful swim is going to happen, you don't really 859 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 1: plan your life after that because you're sort of like, well, 860 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,720 Speaker 1: what if I have to just keep going back again? 861 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: And I think it's quite an adjustment for a lot 862 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 1: of people when they do achieve a milestone that was 863 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,879 Speaker 1: for so long such a big part of their life, 864 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 1: because then you sort of have to readjust well, like 865 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: now what I'm here? 866 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:36,839 Speaker 4: What do I do? 867 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,480 Speaker 1: But I love that you have turned it into so 868 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,120 Speaker 1: many amazing things that honor the planet and getting out 869 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 1: in nature. Ever, Walk dot com, oceanscommit dot com are 870 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,760 Speaker 1: two wonderful new things that I mean you obviously representing 871 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 1: in that amazing T shirt. 872 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:54,799 Speaker 3: I also love that. 873 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 1: One of the questions I would have loved to ask 874 00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,879 Speaker 1: you is, you know, when the movie comes out, who 875 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,279 Speaker 1: would you love in the world to play you in 876 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 1: the movie? Except the movie is coming out and you 877 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 1: already know who's playing you in the movie. 878 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 3: And Nett Benning? 879 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,920 Speaker 2: How could I ever look that good? I mean Benning, 880 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,879 Speaker 2: one of the great actresses of our time, and Nett 881 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 2: Benning has signed to play me in the upcoming movie. 882 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,319 Speaker 2: You know, it hasn't been shot yet, so when I 883 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 2: say upcoming, you know, who knows if it'll be a 884 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,439 Speaker 2: year or two from now when it actually gets made. 885 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,920 Speaker 2: But the magic of it is as I tried four 886 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,879 Speaker 2: times before I made it, and Net Benning has been 887 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 2: nominated four times for Best Astress Oscar. So wouldn't it 888 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,080 Speaker 2: be a little bit of magic fairy dust if she 889 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,719 Speaker 2: went on her fifth time the way I made it 890 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 2: on my fifth time? So this is this is one 891 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 2: great actress when you look at her body of work 892 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:50,080 Speaker 2: and she's really engaged and engrossed in my life and 893 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,040 Speaker 2: in the part. And they're casting Bonnie's part. Now it's 894 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,520 Speaker 2: a very big actress also, but we're not supposed to 895 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 2: say who because the deal hasn't been made yet and 896 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,440 Speaker 2: so if it falls through, it's not right to mention her. 897 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 2: But it's a big actress, and you know, it's not 898 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,359 Speaker 2: often as a matter of fact, I don't know the 899 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,000 Speaker 2: history of cinema. You don't see two women as the 900 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,759 Speaker 2: heroic leads. You know, women are always involved in what 901 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 2: like Film and Louise, which is way before your time. 902 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,680 Speaker 2: But it was a big two actresses, you know, and 903 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 2: it was a terrific movie. It was entertaining, but it 904 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,480 Speaker 2: was really about two women who men had done them 905 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 2: wrong and this was their movie to get back at them. 906 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,279 Speaker 2: It was all about, you know, their relationship with the men. 907 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,960 Speaker 2: And in this movie, it's not a lesbian movie. Bonnie 908 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,120 Speaker 2: and I are you know, not in that relationship or 909 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 2: not playing that role in this movie. It's just two 910 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,960 Speaker 2: women who happen to be doing something very strong and 911 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,880 Speaker 2: very you know, undeniable in terms of strength, and the 912 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 2: men on our team so so strong themselves and knowledgeable, 913 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,759 Speaker 2: just fell right in with us, like we were the 914 00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 2: two leaders and we respected everybody, but the men, you know, 915 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 2: we're listening to us and following what we wanted to 916 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 2: do and the way we wanted to do it. And 917 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,560 Speaker 2: I think it's a It's an important message and one 918 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,040 Speaker 2: that isn't out there often. Well. 919 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 1: I think with two previously Oscar winning directors taking on 920 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,840 Speaker 1: the film, I think there's a very high chance that 921 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 1: they could be some magic in there for the magical 922 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:19,920 Speaker 1: number five for Annette. 923 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 2: Jimmy Chin and his wife Chai directed the Oscar winning documentary. 924 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,560 Speaker 2: So it wasn't a feature, Oh that's right, and it 925 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,080 Speaker 2: was called Free Solo. And if you haven't seen it, 926 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,480 Speaker 2: I mean it's gripping. You know that guy Alex holds 927 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,920 Speaker 2: onto rocks with not his fingers but the first digit 928 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,880 Speaker 2: of his fingers a mile in the air. Forget about it. 929 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,480 Speaker 2: My heart was pounding. I thought you couldn't pay me 930 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,239 Speaker 2: a billion dollars to go up there and try that. 931 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,399 Speaker 2: These directors, Jimmy and Chai are smart. They're engrossed there 932 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,719 Speaker 2: and they're in love with nature and the majesty of 933 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,719 Speaker 2: the ocean is going to be one of the characters. 934 00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,320 Speaker 2: And so yes, this is their first film working with actors, 935 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,799 Speaker 2: but they're super smart. They know what they're doing, and 936 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,400 Speaker 2: they actually they're in big demand right now for all 937 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,880 Speaker 2: kinds of feature films, but ours will be there first. 938 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,840 Speaker 2: So we've got a terrific team, the producers, the directors, 939 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,239 Speaker 2: and you know, I'll tell you a funny story. Is 940 00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,800 Speaker 2: that a friend of mine in the movie business. I said, Gail, 941 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,520 Speaker 2: you know I'm something of an actor. I performed in 942 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,239 Speaker 2: an off Broadway show. I've been standing on stage for 943 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,719 Speaker 2: forty years singing. 944 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,400 Speaker 4: And playing the bugle. 945 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't not even to mention playing a pretty good bugle. 946 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,000 Speaker 2: So I've been acting on my story. I said, should 947 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,240 Speaker 2: I do a screen test to play myself? And she said, well, 948 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 2: I only have one question for you. I said, what's that? 949 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,720 Speaker 2: She said, do you want anyone to see the movie? 950 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:44,319 Speaker 2: And I said, ah, okay, you don't have to beat 951 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,520 Speaker 2: me over the head with a shovel. I get it. 952 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,320 Speaker 2: She said, yeah, you want a movie star. That's what 953 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,160 Speaker 2: people go to movies for, to see movies stars. So 954 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,360 Speaker 2: naive of me the thing that I would be the 955 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,480 Speaker 2: star in this movie, I'd happily watching that. 956 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:00,480 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, excited. 957 00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,280 Speaker 1: I'm so so excited to say it in a movie 958 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,319 Speaker 1: for I'm how thrilling and something for us all to 959 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,399 Speaker 1: look forward to. And Buddy is also your partner in 960 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,759 Speaker 1: ev walk and oceans commit tell us about those beautiful initiatives. 961 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,120 Speaker 2: Well, you know, when we got done with the swim 962 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,239 Speaker 2: and that would be my last swim, people always say 963 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,960 Speaker 2: to me, what swim are you going to do next? 964 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,960 Speaker 2: I can't wait to follow it. Well, I was swimming 965 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,080 Speaker 2: all my life and this was the goal. This was 966 00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,879 Speaker 2: the holy grail. There's nothing else I can't like look 967 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,520 Speaker 2: at the map and say, oh, maybe I'll swim over there, 968 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,600 Speaker 2: Maybe I'll swim over there. I'm done with that and 969 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,600 Speaker 2: I did everything there was to do. The dream is done. 970 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,239 Speaker 2: But there was that feeling I mentioned before, swimming over 971 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,840 Speaker 2: the curvature of the earth and walking, you know, the 972 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,080 Speaker 2: human being was meant to walk. You know, it's only 973 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,279 Speaker 2: been recently one hundred years ago, with the advent of 974 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:51,400 Speaker 2: the car, that we stopped being the big planet walkers 975 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,920 Speaker 2: that we were meant to be. And a lot of 976 00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,440 Speaker 2: people think that a lot of our immune diseases and 977 00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,799 Speaker 2: whatnot have come about because we're not walkers anymore. We 978 00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,600 Speaker 2: they say, sitting is the new smoking. So yes, there 979 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,160 Speaker 2: are people clearly who are extreme and they're out playing 980 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,439 Speaker 2: rugby and they're running ultra marathons. Well that's a whole 981 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,320 Speaker 2: different small group, and pay for them. But the average person, 982 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,880 Speaker 2: you know, every day could get out and walk a 983 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,240 Speaker 2: lousy little mile. Just walk. So Bonnie and I started 984 00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,440 Speaker 2: this initiative called Everwalk, and we mean ever by every day, 985 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,560 Speaker 2: every every day for the rest of your life. Everybody, 986 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,240 Speaker 2: children up to old old people. Just get out and walk. 987 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,880 Speaker 2: Get to know your neighbors, give a wave, get to 988 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,120 Speaker 2: know your you know the plants and the trees and 989 00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,120 Speaker 2: the lending libraries in your neighborhood. Go walk and get 990 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,920 Speaker 2: your newspaper instead of getting in your car and driving everywhere. 991 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,239 Speaker 2: So you know, it's a pretty big goal to take 992 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:52,080 Speaker 2: America a car culture and turn it into a walking culture. 993 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,920 Speaker 2: But that's our goal is to get as many people 994 00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,920 Speaker 2: as we can, not just here. We have Aussies walking 995 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 2: with us at everwalk dot com, an app Everwalk. Well, 996 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,840 Speaker 2: Ousi's are starting to join us. We have a nature 997 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,239 Speaker 2: club and a photography club and a book club and 998 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,040 Speaker 2: all that. And under Everwalk there's a new initiative called 999 00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,920 Speaker 2: oceans Commit and thank you for leading that for me, 1000 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,320 Speaker 2: Oceanscommit dot com. And it's because of my immersion, my 1001 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,080 Speaker 2: my falling in love with this blue planet. I became 1002 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,799 Speaker 2: an awe of it. And look at what's happened, look 1003 00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:29,480 Speaker 2: at the plastic pollution of our magnificent seas, and we 1004 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,239 Speaker 2: can do something about it. You don't have to be 1005 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,040 Speaker 2: an activist and end your life for it, but you 1006 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,680 Speaker 2: could reduce single use plastic. Every one of us could. 1007 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,120 Speaker 2: It's been two years now since I used a little 1008 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,799 Speaker 2: small plastic water model. I can put water in a 1009 00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,279 Speaker 2: in some other kind of you know, container and never 1010 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,880 Speaker 2: use that plast So am I completely dedicating my life 1011 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,239 Speaker 2: to no plastic at all? No, it's not easy to do. 1012 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,120 Speaker 2: I have garbage bags still that I put out on 1013 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,920 Speaker 2: the street once a week from my own garbage butt. 1014 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,560 Speaker 2: I'm doing my little part. And Oceans Commit. We just 1015 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,600 Speaker 2: want people to go on there and commit to reducing 1016 00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,600 Speaker 2: single use plastic in your lives, and we will do 1017 00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:13,720 Speaker 2: walking events that promote, you know, the reduction of single 1018 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,560 Speaker 2: use plastic. So ever, Walk and Oceans Commit are tethered together. 1019 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,840 Speaker 1: Now, I was rating you actually had a big series 1020 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,239 Speaker 1: of launch events. I think it was that obviously just 1021 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,319 Speaker 1: before the pandemic. Were about to go ahead and then 1022 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,640 Speaker 1: had to close down. But it's exciting that when things 1023 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,120 Speaker 1: open up again, you'll be able to do those. 1024 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, we will. And Bonnie and I are going to 1025 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,319 Speaker 2: Egypt in early November. There's a wonderful historic swim there 1026 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,040 Speaker 2: called the Swim of the Pharaohs, so they invited me 1027 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,480 Speaker 2: and Bonnie to be part of it. It's on the 1028 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 2: Red Sea, turquoise water. It's gorgeous, So we're going to 1029 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,360 Speaker 2: sort of be the big celebrity of the event. But 1030 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,560 Speaker 2: Bonnie and I are going to do something there that 1031 00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,080 Speaker 2: day called the Walk of the Pharaohs. Yeah, and you 1032 00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,480 Speaker 2: can find it on everwalk dot com and oceans. Commit 1033 00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,680 Speaker 2: to join us virtually from wherever you are. 1034 00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,399 Speaker 4: Oh, we will absolutely do that scene. 1035 00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,600 Speaker 1: You know, I was about to get married seven days 1036 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,600 Speaker 1: after we were on Necker, so we still haven't had 1037 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,000 Speaker 1: our honeymoon because obviously COVID happened and it was meant 1038 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:12,520 Speaker 1: to be in Egypt, so I will follow along. I 1039 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,479 Speaker 1: just think it's the most mystical, beautiful place. And we've 1040 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,359 Speaker 1: done the Middle East a couple of times, and every 1041 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,680 Speaker 1: time Egypt has been a red zone to too much 1042 00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,280 Speaker 1: Intermali for Australians to go in there. So we've missed 1043 00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,359 Speaker 1: it every time we've done Turkey, Jordan, Israel like all 1044 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,760 Speaker 1: so close around the region and have never made it 1045 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,520 Speaker 1: four times four times, so maybe the lucky fifth. 1046 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:36,239 Speaker 2: Time that's going to be your time. 1047 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,640 Speaker 1: Well, just a couple of quick questions to wrap up. 1048 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:42,960 Speaker 1: One of the big premises of this podcast is the 1049 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,600 Speaker 1: idea of playta and either you love your job, but 1050 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,040 Speaker 1: you need distance because I think even if we love 1051 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,040 Speaker 1: our job, it can become all consuming and you need 1052 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,160 Speaker 1: you need to get you know, refreshed, you need to rejuvenate, 1053 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,359 Speaker 1: you need clarity, you needed like to have a let 1054 00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,520 Speaker 1: your brain have a break. Or if you don't love 1055 00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,720 Speaker 1: your job, ins important to find some kind of play 1056 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,920 Speaker 1: or pleasure or joy that isn't productive. That's the waste 1057 00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,080 Speaker 1: of time that you allow yourself to indulge in. That's 1058 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,520 Speaker 1: just for pure joy. Because I think even if you 1059 00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:09,680 Speaker 1: love your job, you never want to get to the 1060 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,319 Speaker 1: end of your life and think, Wow, I worked and 1061 00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,759 Speaker 1: I died and I really wish that I had less fun. 1062 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,560 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone has wished that they had a 1063 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,759 Speaker 1: less good time while that were here. So outside of 1064 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,760 Speaker 1: work and speaking gigs and podcasts and writing and speaking, 1065 00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,560 Speaker 1: you know, what are the things you do just for 1066 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:26,120 Speaker 1: your joy? 1067 00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,800 Speaker 2: You know I mentioned before my love of the ocean, 1068 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,839 Speaker 2: and you know, and I know most many Aussies live 1069 00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,040 Speaker 2: along the coast. I think sixty five percent of all 1070 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,560 Speaker 2: the population of the world live on a coast somewhere. 1071 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,960 Speaker 2: But even if you don't, you know you live near 1072 00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,400 Speaker 2: a beautiful lake or on a river. The waters of 1073 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,480 Speaker 2: the world, which make us the blue planet we are, 1074 00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:51,200 Speaker 2: are a source of inspiration and peace and joy. So 1075 00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,600 Speaker 2: sometimes at midnight, of course Teddy's no longer with me, 1076 00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,319 Speaker 2: but sometimes at midnight Bonnie and I have taken our 1077 00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,000 Speaker 2: dogs down to the ocean. Yes, it's part to get 1078 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,160 Speaker 2: them exercise, but it's mostly for us to hear that 1079 00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:07,480 Speaker 2: sound of the waves rolling in. To look out at 1080 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,440 Speaker 2: the horizon. I think it's important not to just be 1081 00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,920 Speaker 2: looking at a screen that's right up against you. As 1082 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,520 Speaker 2: part of whatever walk is to get out, look up 1083 00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,719 Speaker 2: at the blue sky, look at the beautiful trees around you. 1084 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,680 Speaker 2: Even if you don't see the ocean, and you can 1085 00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,480 Speaker 2: really see to all the way to the horizon, you 1086 00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,839 Speaker 2: can look farther than the walls of your home. So 1087 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,120 Speaker 2: I think that one of the joys that I get 1088 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,919 Speaker 2: is every day I'm either out walking or I get 1089 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,640 Speaker 2: to the ocean and I have a vision that's farther 1090 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,719 Speaker 2: than the computer screen and the walls of my home. 1091 00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,640 Speaker 2: You know, it sort of expands. It's a horizon that 1092 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,360 Speaker 2: expands my horizons. 1093 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the things I do, even though it's 1094 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,840 Speaker 1: winter and being cold and wet at two of my 1095 00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:49,719 Speaker 1: least favorite things. 1096 00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,000 Speaker 3: One of my dear friends. 1097 00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,040 Speaker 1: Who's just got such a zest for life, has created 1098 00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,640 Speaker 1: a little swim club where we go and watch the 1099 00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,319 Speaker 1: sunset in the water at the beach. And it's it's 1100 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,840 Speaker 1: the middle of winter here, it is horrifying. But the water, 1101 00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,080 Speaker 1: even though it's horribly cold, it's like buttery smooth. And 1102 00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,040 Speaker 1: watching a winter sunrise, there's something special. There's more pink. 1103 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:12,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but I was in 1104 00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,760 Speaker 1: the water yesterday thinking about this interview and just thinking, 1105 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:20,120 Speaker 1: how the fuck did she spend fifty hours in water 1106 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,080 Speaker 1: much colder and much less smooth than this. I will 1107 00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,440 Speaker 1: never you say you're not special, but I refuse to 1108 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:25,920 Speaker 1: believe that. 1109 00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:27,359 Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. 1110 00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,760 Speaker 4: Very last question what's your favorite quote? 1111 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,520 Speaker 2: You know, so many people have said, you know, seize 1112 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,879 Speaker 2: the day, and I even we started to come full 1113 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,440 Speaker 2: circle in our conversation today. I had said in the beginning, 1114 00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,680 Speaker 2: I want to go to bed every night saying no 1115 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,239 Speaker 2: regrets on that day, so that when I come to 1116 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,480 Speaker 2: the final day of my life, I can look back. 1117 00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,600 Speaker 2: And doesn't mean you wouldn't have done things differently, but 1118 00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,919 Speaker 2: if you tried, if you were summoning the best that's 1119 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,680 Speaker 2: within you, then you can you can close your eyes 1120 00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,920 Speaker 2: for that final time with no regrets. Well, people have 1121 00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,280 Speaker 2: said in different ways, tempest, future, you know all that stuff. 1122 00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,520 Speaker 2: But I was in Rwanda. Bonnie and I went to 1123 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,680 Speaker 2: get a chance to climb with the gorillas a few 1124 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,120 Speaker 2: years ago, and we had a wonderful young man who 1125 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,839 Speaker 2: was a guide. He was a teenager. He's nineteen years old, 1126 00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,400 Speaker 2: but he was super smart and caring and he had 1127 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,400 Speaker 2: all perspective about life, and he was so curious about 1128 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,400 Speaker 2: our lives and what life was like outside of Rwanda. 1129 00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,560 Speaker 2: We said to him, what do you want to do? 1130 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,840 Speaker 2: You know, if you weren't a guide here, if you're 1131 00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:28,760 Speaker 2: going to do this for the next sixty years, and 1132 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,040 Speaker 2: do this for all your life or are there other 1133 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:32,480 Speaker 2: things you want to do? What do you want to 1134 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,400 Speaker 2: do in the future? And he said no, no, no, no, no, 1135 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:40,280 Speaker 2: tomorrow is not ours. And I thought, same thing as 1136 00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,400 Speaker 2: saying seize the day or seize the age, the same thing, 1137 00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:48,320 Speaker 2: but it was such a beautiful twist on English words. 1138 00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,480 Speaker 2: Tomorrow is not ours. So it's fine a dream. We 1139 00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,640 Speaker 2: need to look forward and to plan and to envision 1140 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,600 Speaker 2: what we've got. But the truth is that tomorrow isn't yours. 1141 00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,800 Speaker 2: Today is yours. Today is the day you're living and 1142 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,560 Speaker 2: you'll never get to live it again. So don't waste 1143 00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,600 Speaker 2: your time spending too much time thinking about yesterday, even 1144 00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,480 Speaker 2: though you need to break it down a little bit, 1145 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:14,280 Speaker 2: figure out your mistakes, or remember your teddy dog so 1146 00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,480 Speaker 2: that the memories are with you, you know. Spend a 1147 00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,680 Speaker 2: little time in the future so you're sort of excited you, 1148 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:26,000 Speaker 2: but really live today, seize the day, seize the ya, 1149 00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,680 Speaker 2: and say to yourself, tomorrow it is not ours. So 1150 00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,440 Speaker 2: I just I love that expression. 1151 00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,800 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, And what a full circle moment. Also, 1152 00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,480 Speaker 1: my big revelation that changed sees the day in my 1153 00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,880 Speaker 1: mind to seize the a also happened in Rwanda because 1154 00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:45,440 Speaker 1: I how weird. I went when I was still a 1155 00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:49,200 Speaker 1: corporate lawyer and on a charitable expedition, and we'd had 1156 00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,320 Speaker 1: all this cultural training about the genocide, and I had 1157 00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,640 Speaker 1: all these expectations about what challenges psychologically I would face 1158 00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,000 Speaker 1: to embrace this new culture and to do the right 1159 00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,560 Speaker 1: thing by them, And the biggest shock to me was 1160 00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:05,200 Speaker 1: like reverse happiness culture shock. I went in thinking, oh, 1161 00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:06,840 Speaker 1: I'm first, well, like, how am I going to, you know, 1162 00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,320 Speaker 1: beat this delicate situation? And I saw, instead of feeling 1163 00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,360 Speaker 1: intense gratitude for what we have, which of course is 1164 00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,840 Speaker 1: one level of thing, the opposite that they were far happier, 1165 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:21,680 Speaker 1: with very little, unburdened joy, breaking into song, children playing 1166 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,720 Speaker 1: with a leaf for twelve hours, then us back home 1167 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,760 Speaker 1: having all these things and just wanting more and being 1168 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,360 Speaker 1: consumed by more. And it just was the first time 1169 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,120 Speaker 1: I'd separated success and happiness. I was like, they're not 1170 00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,480 Speaker 1: the same, they don't equal each other. They're totally different pursuits. 1171 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,800 Speaker 1: But I've been conflating them as one, and then wondering 1172 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,760 Speaker 1: why I've got this deep seated anxiety, wondering what I'm 1173 00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,720 Speaker 1: doing and what my purpose is making other people wealthy 1174 00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,520 Speaker 1: and having no legacy. It was and it was in Rwanda. 1175 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:53,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, that's such a you know, incredible bond. 1176 00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,720 Speaker 2: You know that you and I can add together. Yeah, 1177 00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,240 Speaker 2: I'm not saying a lot of people, but people interview 1178 00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,320 Speaker 2: me or what i'd say, you're oh, you're successful and everything. 1179 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,320 Speaker 2: You're so driven and so. And the truth is, I'm 1180 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,520 Speaker 2: very clear about enjoying each day, about finding laughter and 1181 01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:12,320 Speaker 2: feeling love as much as I am about achieving things 1182 01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,600 Speaker 2: and being the best I can be. You know, we 1183 01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,360 Speaker 2: need to live a multi layered life to have a 1184 01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,000 Speaker 2: successful life. And a lot of people of great success 1185 01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:24,080 Speaker 2: I know are absolutely miserable. They haven't known love, they 1186 01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,080 Speaker 2: don't know much laughter, even though they won all the 1187 01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:30,440 Speaker 2: awards and got all the money. And I've seen plenty 1188 01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,840 Speaker 2: of that, and I've seen poor people like you have 1189 01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:37,120 Speaker 2: all around the world. There are people, many actually tribes 1190 01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:40,240 Speaker 2: people in Kenya, in both the Kakuu and the Masai tribe, 1191 01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:42,960 Speaker 2: who get educated. They go to Nairobi, they go to 1192 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,680 Speaker 2: London afterwards and they study, they go back to live 1193 01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,280 Speaker 2: the tribal life. Partly to help that tribe with medicine 1194 01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,240 Speaker 2: and other things, but partly because they enjoy life more 1195 01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,400 Speaker 2: living like that rather than in the penthouse in London. 1196 01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,280 Speaker 2: There are stories that way, you. 1197 01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,040 Speaker 1: Know, And I also love One of my fondest memories 1198 01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,600 Speaker 1: is you talked about Selsa and loving a dance that 1199 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,040 Speaker 1: on Necka. You were always one of the last on 1200 01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,680 Speaker 1: the dance floor. That made me so happy. Like you're 1201 01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,439 Speaker 1: like sensible, me needs to go and get an early 1202 01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,280 Speaker 1: night and like getting up early, and you were on 1203 01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:13,120 Speaker 1: a different island. 1204 01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,560 Speaker 4: But you're like, but I gotta stay in dance. I 1205 01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:16,520 Speaker 4: gotta stay in dance. 1206 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,960 Speaker 2: My talents one jeep, I just I whistled. Did you 1207 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,720 Speaker 2: know that whistling is one of my great talents? 1208 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:23,760 Speaker 3: I did not know that. 1209 01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,600 Speaker 2: Okay, this is a bit of lion or Richie. Hello, 1210 01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:27,040 Speaker 2: do you know that? 1211 01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:28,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, of course. 1212 01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:29,960 Speaker 2: This is a bit of a. 1213 01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:44,440 Speaker 4: Wow Sarah, my god. 1214 01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:45,080 Speaker 2: You need to put that on. 1215 01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,000 Speaker 4: You need to teach Annett Benning to whistle now. 1216 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,160 Speaker 2: Oh no, I think she's got plenty to do just 1217 01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:51,040 Speaker 2: becoming a swim. 1218 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,280 Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you so so much for your time. 1219 01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,440 Speaker 1: I really do appreciate it so much. I mean, I 1220 01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,919 Speaker 1: can't believe you've been on Hillary Clinton's podcast and mine. 1221 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:01,800 Speaker 4: I mean they're the same basically. 1222 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,280 Speaker 2: Hear, but thank you, thank you for inviting me your 1223 01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,320 Speaker 2: terrific interview. You've done a great deal in life at 1224 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,840 Speaker 2: your young age, and I just I look forward to 1225 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,160 Speaker 2: seeing your journey as you move forward. Sarah. 1226 01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:14,920 Speaker 1: Oh, well, you've been a very big part of it, 1227 01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:16,240 Speaker 1: and I appreciate it so much. 1228 01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:17,680 Speaker 2: Maybe I'll see in Egypt one. 1229 01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,440 Speaker 4: Day, yes, oh my gosh. 1230 01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,160 Speaker 1: Oh well, I don't know about you, but if I 1231 01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:24,840 Speaker 1: ever need to kick up the butt, I just think 1232 01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,240 Speaker 1: about this woman making her way through darkness and. 1233 01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,600 Speaker 3: Bitter cold with jellyfish all over her face. 1234 01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:33,600 Speaker 1: But continuing on five times, and to see what she's 1235 01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:37,080 Speaker 1: doing now with everwalk and Ocean's commit is simply amazing. 1236 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,520 Speaker 1: Links to both her in the show notes. Hopefully some 1237 01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,040 Speaker 1: of the neighborhood can get involved, as well as links 1238 01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,200 Speaker 1: to her various pages. I was so very lucky to 1239 01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,640 Speaker 1: be able to steal some of Diana's time away for 1240 01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,200 Speaker 1: the neighborhood, so please do. If you enjoyed listening along, 1241 01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:55,440 Speaker 1: share the episode with any takeaways or AHA moments, tagging 1242 01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:56,800 Speaker 1: at Diana and Ayah to. 1243 01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,360 Speaker 3: Shower her with love. 1244 01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,120 Speaker 1: Hope you are all having a wonderful weak and is 1245 01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:08,880 Speaker 1: seizing ju Ya.