1 00:00:14,904 --> 00:00:17,024 Speaker 1: From Mom and May. I Welcome to this bill, your 2 00:00:17,104 --> 00:00:20,664 Speaker 1: daily pop culture fix. I'm m Burnham and I'm Laura Brodney. 3 00:00:20,744 --> 00:00:25,664 Speaker 1: Happy Friday, Happy Friday. Today we have a big episode. 4 00:00:25,704 --> 00:00:29,904 Speaker 1: We are talking about the brand new Disney movie Snow White. LB. 5 00:00:30,104 --> 00:00:32,984 Speaker 1: You've watched the movie, but it's we're talking more about 6 00:00:32,984 --> 00:00:35,424 Speaker 1: that because there's a lot of talk about the making 7 00:00:35,464 --> 00:00:38,184 Speaker 1: of the movie and all the controversy that's happened around it. 8 00:00:38,184 --> 00:00:41,624 Speaker 1: So we're breaking everything down for you. But I have 9 00:00:41,664 --> 00:00:44,544 Speaker 1: to first talk about the trailer because I've only seen 10 00:00:44,544 --> 00:00:45,024 Speaker 1: the trailer. 11 00:00:45,104 --> 00:00:46,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, I did invite you to come to the movie. 12 00:00:46,744 --> 00:00:49,304 Speaker 2: I've had a whole snow White week just so you know. 13 00:00:49,584 --> 00:00:51,224 Speaker 1: Yeah, you went to that big pop up. 14 00:00:51,424 --> 00:00:53,824 Speaker 2: Yes. So in Sydney they had this event of the 15 00:00:53,864 --> 00:00:56,704 Speaker 2: Grounds of Alexandria, which is a very fancy cafe. Some 16 00:00:56,824 --> 00:00:59,304 Speaker 2: may call it too heavy with influences, but I call 17 00:00:59,344 --> 00:01:01,424 Speaker 2: it a pretty place to have a coffee. And you 18 00:01:01,704 --> 00:01:02,864 Speaker 2: like it, Yeah I do. 19 00:01:03,104 --> 00:01:05,024 Speaker 1: I don't mind it. I know that's about Sometimes you 20 00:01:05,064 --> 00:01:07,704 Speaker 1: don't want to be eating my croissant while in a 21 00:01:07,744 --> 00:01:08,224 Speaker 1: pig pen. 22 00:01:08,704 --> 00:01:12,784 Speaker 2: Okay, that's really unfair. The beautiful gardens and there's lamee ways. 23 00:01:12,864 --> 00:01:13,904 Speaker 2: The laneways are the big drip. 24 00:01:13,904 --> 00:01:17,464 Speaker 1: It's also so crowded all the time. You always get lost. 25 00:01:17,784 --> 00:01:19,344 Speaker 2: Okay, it's so small you can't get like. 26 00:01:19,384 --> 00:01:21,144 Speaker 1: I do like it though. Sorry, I feel like I'm 27 00:01:21,144 --> 00:01:21,984 Speaker 1: being very negative. 28 00:01:23,104 --> 00:01:24,904 Speaker 2: Is just putting a big line through your name and 29 00:01:24,944 --> 00:01:27,464 Speaker 2: you're never invited to anything there again. So they have 30 00:01:27,584 --> 00:01:29,904 Speaker 2: these lame ways that they decorate with a different theme 31 00:01:30,264 --> 00:01:32,584 Speaker 2: every couple of months and the new. 32 00:01:32,664 --> 00:01:37,424 Speaker 1: Sorry because I didn't go, obviously, but you went with 33 00:01:37,464 --> 00:01:39,944 Speaker 1: a lot of other mere people and a lot of 34 00:01:40,064 --> 00:01:44,304 Speaker 1: influencers went as well. My feed that night. Oh wait, 35 00:01:44,304 --> 00:01:45,824 Speaker 1: I have to say the reason I didn't go was 36 00:01:45,864 --> 00:01:48,464 Speaker 1: because it's my cousin's wedding over the next few weekends 37 00:01:48,584 --> 00:01:50,544 Speaker 1: and I'm doing a dance for it, no questions. I 38 00:01:50,904 --> 00:01:54,064 Speaker 1: was deep into dance rehearsals. I had big fomo. So 39 00:01:54,104 --> 00:01:57,104 Speaker 1: I was like looking at everyone's socials and then I 40 00:01:57,144 --> 00:02:00,264 Speaker 1: saw like these beautiful socials from like all of these 41 00:02:00,304 --> 00:02:03,424 Speaker 1: influences that obviously like made everyone not come in their 42 00:02:03,424 --> 00:02:07,064 Speaker 1: space and take this like really, I'm talking about Tyra Milte, 43 00:02:07,664 --> 00:02:11,104 Speaker 1: who's like absolutely gorgeous dunning. She's amazing. She does beautifully 44 00:02:11,144 --> 00:02:14,104 Speaker 1: curated photos on Instagram, and she's looking stunning, and she 45 00:02:14,104 --> 00:02:16,184 Speaker 1: looks like she's in this wilderness, like in the forest. 46 00:02:16,824 --> 00:02:17,144 Speaker 1: And then I. 47 00:02:17,184 --> 00:02:21,304 Speaker 2: Said, and you know what, I didn't even post. I 48 00:02:21,344 --> 00:02:26,224 Speaker 2: didn't even post the worst ones. Can I tell you, okay, 49 00:02:26,104 --> 00:02:26,984 Speaker 2: me talk. 50 00:02:26,904 --> 00:02:29,624 Speaker 1: The magical way I just witnessed. 51 00:02:30,264 --> 00:02:32,144 Speaker 2: That's the most hurtful thing you ever said to me. 52 00:02:34,064 --> 00:02:37,384 Speaker 1: We should talk a comparison. Two days. 53 00:02:37,544 --> 00:02:39,864 Speaker 2: Yes, I went to this event. It was packed with influences, 54 00:02:39,904 --> 00:02:42,824 Speaker 2: but it's also Disney, so I got invited. But yes, 55 00:02:42,864 --> 00:02:44,944 Speaker 2: we had very different experiences, I'm sure. So if you 56 00:02:44,944 --> 00:02:48,824 Speaker 2: looked at their content, it's beautiful, it's curated, it's perfectly lit. 57 00:02:49,144 --> 00:02:51,384 Speaker 2: If you look at my content, Sorry, I think I 58 00:02:51,424 --> 00:02:53,944 Speaker 2: had more fun. I lost my god, you so much, 59 00:02:54,104 --> 00:02:56,824 Speaker 2: I can tell my mind. You said you had different experiences. 60 00:02:56,904 --> 00:02:59,704 Speaker 2: I had different experiences watching those photos because they had 61 00:02:59,704 --> 00:03:01,904 Speaker 2: done up all the lame ways to look like out 62 00:03:01,944 --> 00:03:04,424 Speaker 2: of snow white. It's the same. So as you walk through, 63 00:03:04,664 --> 00:03:08,024 Speaker 2: they've got all the little animals poking out the lights 64 00:03:08,064 --> 00:03:10,904 Speaker 2: of all little mirrors. And then there was actually there's 65 00:03:11,104 --> 00:03:13,904 Speaker 2: videos of me discovering this, and I couldn't post them. 66 00:03:13,904 --> 00:03:19,544 Speaker 1: There's just one photo of you that's like embedded in 67 00:03:19,544 --> 00:03:21,824 Speaker 1: my head because I see all these photos of like 68 00:03:22,264 --> 00:03:24,984 Speaker 1: these influences in like what looks like a forest and 69 00:03:24,984 --> 00:03:28,264 Speaker 1: there's these animals, and one photo of you you're just 70 00:03:28,944 --> 00:03:29,824 Speaker 1: a well. 71 00:03:30,584 --> 00:03:33,424 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I had I'm walking through the okay, you 72 00:03:33,464 --> 00:03:35,384 Speaker 2: walk through like the enchanted forest. 73 00:03:35,664 --> 00:03:37,304 Speaker 1: Then you got to the they. 74 00:03:37,184 --> 00:03:40,944 Speaker 2: Actually had the little dwarves cottage and opened the door 75 00:03:40,984 --> 00:03:41,864 Speaker 2: and then I had little. 76 00:03:41,624 --> 00:03:43,424 Speaker 1: I rang the little bell and I don't see any 77 00:03:43,464 --> 00:03:45,344 Speaker 1: of this, and I just saw you here with a well. 78 00:03:45,784 --> 00:03:47,104 Speaker 2: And then I went to the well and there were 79 00:03:47,104 --> 00:03:50,264 Speaker 2: little deers and stuff, and there were like apple cocktails 80 00:03:50,264 --> 00:03:53,304 Speaker 2: and apples everywhere and mirror and there was like an 81 00:03:53,424 --> 00:03:56,584 Speaker 2: orchestra and a heart player and Broadway star singing. It 82 00:03:56,624 --> 00:03:58,544 Speaker 2: was a whole anyway. I had the most fun because 83 00:03:58,544 --> 00:04:00,424 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. I know, it's on a very cool 84 00:04:00,424 --> 00:04:03,624 Speaker 2: thing that usually I'm a hater of most things. 85 00:04:03,304 --> 00:04:05,384 Speaker 1: But that was you look like you had the best time. 86 00:04:05,504 --> 00:04:09,744 Speaker 2: Disney and the grounds together in the most I know 87 00:04:09,824 --> 00:04:12,544 Speaker 2: I was too. I still actually post all the real photos. 88 00:04:12,544 --> 00:04:15,344 Speaker 1: You guys were the only ones that genuinely looked really 89 00:04:15,384 --> 00:04:17,824 Speaker 1: really happy to be there, though like everyone else was posy, 90 00:04:17,864 --> 00:04:19,584 Speaker 1: like I'm sure they were appreciate it. But like the photos, 91 00:04:19,624 --> 00:04:20,464 Speaker 1: you know, you don't see. 92 00:04:20,264 --> 00:04:21,824 Speaker 2: This is fol because I actually did try to be 93 00:04:21,864 --> 00:04:24,544 Speaker 2: posy and some of the photos you didn't pick that up. 94 00:04:25,224 --> 00:04:27,824 Speaker 2: So the installation, the snow White installation at the grounds 95 00:04:27,824 --> 00:04:29,904 Speaker 2: at Alexandra is on for a while still. 96 00:04:29,704 --> 00:04:31,664 Speaker 1: Okay, so you could go look and you can see 97 00:04:31,704 --> 00:04:33,624 Speaker 1: what the photos look like of you. Oh my god, 98 00:04:33,664 --> 00:04:35,384 Speaker 1: maybe I should try to reenact your photos. 99 00:04:35,384 --> 00:04:38,824 Speaker 2: Oh god, I live with my Insta stories. They disappeared hours. 100 00:04:38,824 --> 00:04:39,424 Speaker 1: That's all I have. 101 00:04:39,584 --> 00:04:41,904 Speaker 2: I have about fifty photos, many years from the night. 102 00:04:42,104 --> 00:04:44,264 Speaker 2: But why that's interesting apart from the fact that I 103 00:04:44,304 --> 00:04:46,424 Speaker 2: had the night of my life and I stole some 104 00:04:46,504 --> 00:04:48,104 Speaker 2: things from the dessert table on the way out, which 105 00:04:48,144 --> 00:04:51,104 Speaker 2: was delicious, is that it's a real start contrast to 106 00:04:51,144 --> 00:04:53,224 Speaker 2: some of the other things that Disney have been doing 107 00:04:53,264 --> 00:04:55,104 Speaker 2: for this snow White movie. And there's been a lot 108 00:04:55,104 --> 00:04:58,904 Speaker 2: of chatter with this new live action adaptation of snow White, 109 00:04:58,944 --> 00:05:01,224 Speaker 2: this movie that's been in the works for well for 110 00:05:01,264 --> 00:05:03,264 Speaker 2: a long time, but it's like being the news cycle 111 00:05:03,344 --> 00:05:06,144 Speaker 2: for close to five years and it's finally out in 112 00:05:06,184 --> 00:05:08,664 Speaker 2: the world this week. And normally they would be this 113 00:05:08,944 --> 00:05:13,824 Speaker 2: huge kind of worldwide pressed to our activations everywhere, cast everywhere, 114 00:05:13,864 --> 00:05:15,904 Speaker 2: Like often we have the cast come to Australia for 115 00:05:15,944 --> 00:05:18,304 Speaker 2: these things and they have these huge movie premieres at 116 00:05:18,304 --> 00:05:20,104 Speaker 2: the State Theater where they do the whole State Theater 117 00:05:20,184 --> 00:05:22,344 Speaker 2: up to look like the movie. There's been a lot 118 00:05:22,384 --> 00:05:24,784 Speaker 2: of chatter from a lot of especially like high profile 119 00:05:24,824 --> 00:05:27,424 Speaker 2: publications like the Hollywood Reporter have been really chronicling in 120 00:05:27,424 --> 00:05:30,184 Speaker 2: this and saying that Disney has had to really roll 121 00:05:30,264 --> 00:05:33,864 Speaker 2: back the publicity and the premiere tour for this movie 122 00:05:33,904 --> 00:05:36,504 Speaker 2: because of all the controversies, which is what we need 123 00:05:36,544 --> 00:05:37,024 Speaker 2: to get into. 124 00:05:39,624 --> 00:05:44,424 Speaker 3: This was my father's kingdom, a place of fairness, but 125 00:05:44,544 --> 00:05:47,304 Speaker 3: the Queen changed everything. 126 00:05:48,464 --> 00:05:51,984 Speaker 1: Magic mirror on the wall. Who is the fairest of 127 00:05:52,104 --> 00:05:52,464 Speaker 1: them all? 128 00:05:53,144 --> 00:05:58,464 Speaker 3: Fame is thy beauty, majesty, a lovely maiden. 129 00:05:58,584 --> 00:06:01,344 Speaker 1: I now behold the Queen is evil. 130 00:06:01,784 --> 00:06:02,704 Speaker 3: Flee into the woods. 131 00:06:03,424 --> 00:06:06,104 Speaker 1: My parents always said this forest was a magical place. 132 00:06:09,024 --> 00:06:15,144 Speaker 1: Human What did you think? I were nothing? Ghost? You'll 133 00:06:15,184 --> 00:06:19,464 Speaker 1: be shaved from the queen here. The Queen stole everything 134 00:06:19,544 --> 00:06:22,264 Speaker 1: from all of us. I'm going to need your help. 135 00:06:22,664 --> 00:06:24,624 Speaker 2: So yes, The Live Snow White is only out in 136 00:06:24,704 --> 00:06:28,304 Speaker 2: cinemas this week. But I'd say the first big controversy 137 00:06:28,504 --> 00:06:31,304 Speaker 2: came when the movie was first announced because Rachel Zegeler 138 00:06:31,344 --> 00:06:34,904 Speaker 2: was announced as Snow White, and she's an actress of 139 00:06:34,944 --> 00:06:39,024 Speaker 2: Latina origin. She's from Columbia, and she had been cast 140 00:06:39,064 --> 00:06:41,184 Speaker 2: in West Side Story, and there's a few other movies 141 00:06:41,224 --> 00:06:43,584 Speaker 2: she was in them that hadn't come out, But she 142 00:06:43,704 --> 00:06:46,464 Speaker 2: was kind of a relatively unknown actress when they first 143 00:06:46,504 --> 00:06:49,184 Speaker 2: started looking at her for the role. But when they 144 00:06:49,224 --> 00:06:51,264 Speaker 2: announced her casting, it was meant to be this kind 145 00:06:51,264 --> 00:06:53,384 Speaker 2: of big fan fair of like we found out snow White, 146 00:06:53,704 --> 00:06:56,664 Speaker 2: and because she's of Latina descent, there are a lot 147 00:06:56,664 --> 00:06:59,944 Speaker 2: of very angry people saying, how could you cast an 148 00:06:59,944 --> 00:07:02,864 Speaker 2: actress with that color skin? What it actually says in 149 00:07:02,904 --> 00:07:04,824 Speaker 2: the book and it says in the movie script that 150 00:07:04,864 --> 00:07:07,224 Speaker 2: she has skin as white as snow wise as everything 151 00:07:07,264 --> 00:07:09,984 Speaker 2: being destroyed. And they went off at an absolute tangent 152 00:07:10,024 --> 00:07:12,864 Speaker 2: that did and he had been destroyed because of Rachel Zegler, 153 00:07:12,904 --> 00:07:15,584 Speaker 2: which is obviously really hurtful and damaging and also untrue 154 00:07:15,584 --> 00:07:17,864 Speaker 2: because she's great in the movie. But it also was 155 00:07:17,864 --> 00:07:20,784 Speaker 2: a similar story when Hallie Bailey was cast as Aerial 156 00:07:20,864 --> 00:07:23,664 Speaker 2: in Snow White, with everyone saying like, oh my god, 157 00:07:23,744 --> 00:07:25,344 Speaker 2: like the original story, she's white. 158 00:07:25,384 --> 00:07:29,224 Speaker 1: It's like she's a maid, she's a fictional characters aren't real. 159 00:07:29,424 --> 00:07:31,584 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like the best actress for the job. 160 00:07:31,784 --> 00:07:35,584 Speaker 2: So there was that huge round of backlash. And then 161 00:07:35,784 --> 00:07:37,864 Speaker 2: as we sort of starting seeing like bits and pieces 162 00:07:37,904 --> 00:07:40,184 Speaker 2: of the movie, stills from the movie and the trailer, 163 00:07:40,624 --> 00:07:43,464 Speaker 2: the backlash started growing. So you've only seen the trailer 164 00:07:43,464 --> 00:07:45,424 Speaker 2: at this stage, you want to, yeah, snow your thoughts 165 00:07:45,424 --> 00:07:46,264 Speaker 2: on that the trailer. 166 00:07:46,304 --> 00:07:49,384 Speaker 1: I was quite intrigued to watch it because you watched 167 00:07:49,384 --> 00:07:53,384 Speaker 1: the movie as well as our producer Kim, and Kim 168 00:07:53,464 --> 00:07:57,864 Speaker 1: asked you in our planning meeting, did they UCGI animals? 169 00:07:58,024 --> 00:08:00,184 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, crab, this must be really good, 170 00:08:00,224 --> 00:08:03,584 Speaker 1: Like these animals must look so real. I opened the trailer. 171 00:08:03,824 --> 00:08:06,944 Speaker 1: First cut was a tortoise smiling at the camera. 172 00:08:09,064 --> 00:08:12,744 Speaker 2: In the movie, Hedgehog opens the book and point it's 173 00:08:12,784 --> 00:08:15,904 Speaker 2: too different characters, and then later on when the movie's over, 174 00:08:15,944 --> 00:08:17,624 Speaker 2: he closes the book and jumps on it and kind 175 00:08:17,624 --> 00:08:21,224 Speaker 2: of like waves if the total imagine if they total 176 00:08:21,384 --> 00:08:23,824 Speaker 2: Hedgehog to do that. It was like, these animals are 177 00:08:23,904 --> 00:08:28,104 Speaker 2: crazy good, smart, like they also like thwart the guards 178 00:08:28,104 --> 00:08:30,664 Speaker 2: in the movie, like they sometimes like they have plans 179 00:08:30,704 --> 00:08:33,584 Speaker 2: to distract them. They dress up as snow White, they 180 00:08:33,664 --> 00:08:36,184 Speaker 2: lead a prince to it all. It's the whole thing. Okay, 181 00:08:36,344 --> 00:08:39,184 Speaker 2: So just in case anyone else, so producing him, just 182 00:08:39,184 --> 00:08:41,144 Speaker 2: in case anyone else is wondering that the animals are 183 00:08:41,184 --> 00:08:42,784 Speaker 2: not real. But a lot of it was very real. 184 00:08:42,824 --> 00:08:45,904 Speaker 2: Is want to downstage. They actually did build the cottage 185 00:08:46,344 --> 00:08:49,104 Speaker 2: and the magical forest and everything, and it looked amazing. 186 00:08:49,184 --> 00:08:52,304 Speaker 1: The other thing I noticed was there's no singing in 187 00:08:52,344 --> 00:08:52,984 Speaker 1: the trailer. 188 00:08:53,504 --> 00:08:56,184 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because it's a musical, right, Oh yeah, there's 189 00:08:56,224 --> 00:08:58,144 Speaker 2: heaps of songs, and they wrote a whole bunch of 190 00:08:58,184 --> 00:08:59,624 Speaker 2: new songs. It's a movie. 191 00:08:59,704 --> 00:09:00,904 Speaker 1: Click bade us into doing that. 192 00:09:01,104 --> 00:09:03,584 Speaker 2: I just look that people don't want to watch musicals now. 193 00:09:03,624 --> 00:09:05,544 Speaker 2: I mean potentially, I would just think that you would 194 00:09:05,544 --> 00:09:07,824 Speaker 2: just walk into live adaptation of snow White and just 195 00:09:07,944 --> 00:09:08,744 Speaker 2: know it's a musical. 196 00:09:09,104 --> 00:09:13,464 Speaker 1: But there's another thing that for she forgot it was 197 00:09:13,504 --> 00:09:14,064 Speaker 1: a musical. 198 00:09:14,184 --> 00:09:15,944 Speaker 2: Well that's what a lot of people were asking me 199 00:09:16,024 --> 00:09:17,864 Speaker 2: today in the office. When we were talking at the movie. 200 00:09:17,904 --> 00:09:19,944 Speaker 2: They'd say like, oh, there's songs in it. I'm like, yeah, 201 00:09:20,064 --> 00:09:23,304 Speaker 2: Like every second frame is my famous songs ever. Yeah, 202 00:09:23,304 --> 00:09:25,704 Speaker 2: So it's a lot of songs from the original, but 203 00:09:25,944 --> 00:09:27,864 Speaker 2: then a lot of new songs that were written just 204 00:09:27,864 --> 00:09:30,224 Speaker 2: for the live adaptation. So it is a musical, but 205 00:09:30,264 --> 00:09:32,624 Speaker 2: it is giving mean girls the musical where they were 206 00:09:32,664 --> 00:09:34,264 Speaker 2: just like there's no music in here, and then you 207 00:09:34,264 --> 00:09:36,144 Speaker 2: get into the theater and you're like, oh, there is music. Yeah, 208 00:09:38,024 --> 00:09:40,344 Speaker 2: So a lot of the controversy has come around, yes, 209 00:09:40,384 --> 00:09:43,104 Speaker 2: how it looks the adaptation, the casting of Rachel Zeglar, 210 00:09:43,224 --> 00:09:45,504 Speaker 2: But then a lot of their drama also came in 211 00:09:45,544 --> 00:09:48,224 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two when Disney announced that they were not 212 00:09:48,264 --> 00:09:51,544 Speaker 2: going to cast dwarf actors. Dwarf actors the term that 213 00:09:51,664 --> 00:09:53,544 Speaker 2: all the people who I'm going to quote here is using. 214 00:09:53,944 --> 00:09:55,824 Speaker 2: They were not going to cast dwarf actors in the 215 00:09:55,944 --> 00:09:58,344 Speaker 2: role of the Seven Dwarves, as has been done in 216 00:09:58,464 --> 00:10:01,744 Speaker 2: numerous adaptations of Snow White, because this is Disney's furs 217 00:10:01,824 --> 00:10:03,904 Speaker 2: like official live action, but there's been lots of Snow 218 00:10:03,904 --> 00:10:06,784 Speaker 2: White live action movies over the years, and they said 219 00:10:06,784 --> 00:10:10,264 Speaker 2: they would avoid reinforcing stereotypes from the original animated fe 220 00:10:11,024 --> 00:10:13,704 Speaker 2: But then a lot of actors with dwarfism came forward 221 00:10:13,744 --> 00:10:15,824 Speaker 2: and gave a lot of different interviews and saying that 222 00:10:15,864 --> 00:10:18,544 Speaker 2: they didn't feel this progressive. In fact, they felt like 223 00:10:18,544 --> 00:10:20,144 Speaker 2: they were being shut out of the industry and they 224 00:10:20,144 --> 00:10:22,064 Speaker 2: would have liked the opportunity to play these roles. And 225 00:10:22,104 --> 00:10:24,464 Speaker 2: I understand they're thinking, because they're saying, well, you're saying 226 00:10:24,504 --> 00:10:27,464 Speaker 2: you don't want enforced stereotypes, but you're still having dwarf 227 00:10:27,584 --> 00:10:30,744 Speaker 2: characters in the movie, but instead you're creating them via 228 00:10:30,864 --> 00:10:34,344 Speaker 2: AI and getting different people to voice them, which means 229 00:10:34,344 --> 00:10:36,104 Speaker 2: that we're all out of the one job that we 230 00:10:36,144 --> 00:10:39,824 Speaker 2: could have because Hollywood is obviously still not very progressive 231 00:10:39,824 --> 00:10:42,584 Speaker 2: in that sense of just casting actors of all different 232 00:10:42,744 --> 00:10:45,744 Speaker 2: backgrounds and with dwarfism in a role that that's not 233 00:10:45,784 --> 00:10:47,984 Speaker 2: the center of it, which is what also a lot 234 00:10:48,024 --> 00:10:50,544 Speaker 2: of people are pushing for, which would be the preferred 235 00:10:50,584 --> 00:10:52,944 Speaker 2: way to go about this. But they're also saying like 236 00:10:52,984 --> 00:10:54,864 Speaker 2: this was our one shot, Like seven actors could have 237 00:10:54,944 --> 00:10:57,904 Speaker 2: had a role in a high budget Disney movie. And 238 00:10:57,984 --> 00:11:00,064 Speaker 2: so a few different performers came out and said that 239 00:11:00,064 --> 00:11:03,264 Speaker 2: it was absolutely absurd and discriminating in a sense and 240 00:11:03,424 --> 00:11:06,024 Speaker 2: saying there's nothing wrong with casting someone with dwarfism as 241 00:11:06,064 --> 00:11:08,784 Speaker 2: a Dwarf and any given opportunity, as long as we're 242 00:11:08,824 --> 00:11:11,544 Speaker 2: treated equally with respect, usually more than happy to take 243 00:11:11,544 --> 00:11:14,584 Speaker 2: on any acting roles that are suitable for us. And 244 00:11:14,624 --> 00:11:16,344 Speaker 2: there are plenty of Dwarf actors out there who are 245 00:11:16,424 --> 00:11:18,344 Speaker 2: dying for roles. So these are all different actors who 246 00:11:18,384 --> 00:11:21,344 Speaker 2: were giving their statements, and they went on to say 247 00:11:21,584 --> 00:11:24,544 Speaker 2: that Disney has succumbed to peer pressure on political correctness, 248 00:11:24,824 --> 00:11:27,424 Speaker 2: which is now given all the top Dwarf actors less. 249 00:11:27,224 --> 00:11:30,424 Speaker 1: Work because like I remember this movie, like hearing about 250 00:11:30,464 --> 00:11:34,504 Speaker 1: it years and years ago, was the reason, like filming 251 00:11:34,584 --> 00:11:36,064 Speaker 1: and like it took so long for them to actually 252 00:11:36,104 --> 00:11:38,024 Speaker 1: get on the screens. Was that halted because of the 253 00:11:38,024 --> 00:11:40,384 Speaker 1: controversy or because of like the writer's strike. 254 00:11:40,184 --> 00:11:42,424 Speaker 2: And yeah, so many different factors having to go back 255 00:11:42,464 --> 00:11:46,424 Speaker 2: and rework things the controversy, but they still pushed filming delays, Yeah, 256 00:11:46,424 --> 00:11:49,304 Speaker 2: overall filming delays and then the strikes and a lot 257 00:11:49,304 --> 00:11:51,384 Speaker 2: of this just came to a head in twenty twenty 258 00:11:51,424 --> 00:11:55,104 Speaker 2: two when Peter Dinklicch, who's probably the most famous actor 259 00:11:55,144 --> 00:11:57,424 Speaker 2: at the moment working with Dwarf is them. He was 260 00:11:57,424 --> 00:12:00,144 Speaker 2: on Mark Marin's podcast and he was asked about what 261 00:12:00,184 --> 00:12:02,304 Speaker 2: he thought about this whole situation, especially because it was 262 00:12:02,304 --> 00:12:04,784 Speaker 2: like really in the headlines of the time. And when 263 00:12:04,784 --> 00:12:06,824 Speaker 2: he was asked what he thought about snow White only 264 00:12:06,904 --> 00:12:09,464 Speaker 2: using computer generated dwarfs, he said, I was a little 265 00:12:09,464 --> 00:12:11,464 Speaker 2: taken back by the that they were very proud to 266 00:12:11,544 --> 00:12:14,504 Speaker 2: cast a Latina actress of snow White. That you can 267 00:12:14,544 --> 00:12:16,744 Speaker 2: be progressive in one way and then you're still making 268 00:12:16,784 --> 00:12:19,664 Speaker 2: that backwards story about seven dwarfs living in a cave together. 269 00:12:20,144 --> 00:12:21,784 Speaker 2: And then he was like, have I done nothing to 270 00:12:21,824 --> 00:12:24,184 Speaker 2: advance the cause from my soapbox? I guess I've not 271 00:12:24,224 --> 00:12:26,944 Speaker 2: been loud enough. And then he's such a fair state, 272 00:12:27,144 --> 00:12:29,224 Speaker 2: yeah exactly, because he's like, I'm out here talking about 273 00:12:29,224 --> 00:12:30,504 Speaker 2: this when I just really want to even be talking 274 00:12:30,504 --> 00:12:32,264 Speaker 2: about my acting projects, but I have to kind of 275 00:12:32,464 --> 00:12:33,024 Speaker 2: speak on this. 276 00:12:33,104 --> 00:12:36,224 Speaker 1: And he's also not just talking about like not using 277 00:12:36,264 --> 00:12:38,464 Speaker 1: actors for that role, but just the whole concept of 278 00:12:38,544 --> 00:12:41,064 Speaker 1: that role in general, because it is such a backwards 279 00:12:41,304 --> 00:12:43,744 Speaker 1: like the seven dwarves is such a backwards thing to 280 00:12:43,904 --> 00:12:45,504 Speaker 1: like even like remain. 281 00:12:45,704 --> 00:12:47,984 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, like it's such a classic story, but that 282 00:12:48,064 --> 00:12:49,984 Speaker 2: part of it and also the way like a lot 283 00:12:50,024 --> 00:12:52,104 Speaker 2: of actors with dwarf Ism have been treated over the 284 00:12:52,224 --> 00:12:55,224 Speaker 2: years in Hollywood, and all those kind of like outside 285 00:12:55,264 --> 00:12:57,464 Speaker 2: factors make it even worse to have it be this 286 00:12:57,544 --> 00:13:01,024 Speaker 2: live action adaptation. And then Peter dinkliche also said that 287 00:13:01,104 --> 00:13:03,304 Speaker 2: it's just bad writing to just make it the dominant 288 00:13:03,344 --> 00:13:06,224 Speaker 2: character trait of any characters with dwarfism, because one of 289 00:13:06,304 --> 00:13:08,984 Speaker 2: his big things is like, yes, he became very famous 290 00:13:09,024 --> 00:13:10,424 Speaker 2: on Game of Thrones and that was a part of 291 00:13:10,464 --> 00:13:12,384 Speaker 2: his character, but he's got on to do so many 292 00:13:12,424 --> 00:13:15,744 Speaker 2: different roles since then that have nothing to do with dwarfism. 293 00:13:15,824 --> 00:13:18,264 Speaker 2: He's just cast as any actor would be. But then 294 00:13:18,344 --> 00:13:20,744 Speaker 2: it kind of his thoughts on that, he said another 295 00:13:20,824 --> 00:13:23,064 Speaker 2: interview is like that happens for him, but then it 296 00:13:23,104 --> 00:13:25,304 Speaker 2: stops in him, and everyone who's coming out behind him 297 00:13:25,384 --> 00:13:27,744 Speaker 2: is then forced to go into these Disney dwarf rules. 298 00:13:27,984 --> 00:13:30,024 Speaker 2: So that was a huge thing in twenty twenty two 299 00:13:30,024 --> 00:13:32,464 Speaker 2: and it has continued on to now. Also, there were 300 00:13:32,504 --> 00:13:34,384 Speaker 2: some press photos that were released when the movie first 301 00:13:34,384 --> 00:13:36,344 Speaker 2: started filming, and not you saw these and you saw 302 00:13:36,424 --> 00:13:39,104 Speaker 2: Rachel Zeglers snow white, and then you saw all these 303 00:13:39,104 --> 00:13:43,064 Speaker 2: different people of different skin colors and different ages, all 304 00:13:43,144 --> 00:13:45,744 Speaker 2: dressed in like these kind of comical costumes walking in 305 00:13:45,784 --> 00:13:48,224 Speaker 2: a line behind her, and there were seven of them, 306 00:13:48,264 --> 00:13:51,744 Speaker 2: and everyone thought they had replaced the dwarfs with magical 307 00:13:51,784 --> 00:13:54,264 Speaker 2: creatures or just like with a group of ragtag people. 308 00:13:54,504 --> 00:13:56,064 Speaker 2: But when you watch the movie, and I know there 309 00:13:56,064 --> 00:13:58,864 Speaker 2: were like changes and cuts made along the way, but 310 00:13:58,944 --> 00:14:01,784 Speaker 2: when you watch the finished product, these people are in 311 00:14:01,824 --> 00:14:03,864 Speaker 2: the movie. But they're the seven Bandits who live in 312 00:14:03,904 --> 00:14:06,024 Speaker 2: the woods. So it's like they've tried to kind of 313 00:14:06,264 --> 00:14:08,384 Speaker 2: and their actors, and one of them is an actor 314 00:14:08,464 --> 00:14:11,144 Speaker 2: with dwarfism, but the others are just different, like an 315 00:14:11,144 --> 00:14:14,104 Speaker 2: eclectic collection of characters, and they're in the movie. But 316 00:14:14,104 --> 00:14:15,704 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it's meant to but the dwarves 317 00:14:15,704 --> 00:14:17,144 Speaker 2: get way more screen at Green time. 318 00:14:17,824 --> 00:14:18,504 Speaker 1: Interesting. 319 00:14:18,944 --> 00:14:20,504 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's just like a lot of men in 320 00:14:20,544 --> 00:14:23,624 Speaker 2: this movie, yeah, pretty much. A yeah, well some of 321 00:14:23,664 --> 00:14:27,184 Speaker 2: the Bandits are women. Okay, yeah, that's so weird. 322 00:14:27,544 --> 00:14:29,264 Speaker 1: It's like them. Do you think that would have been 323 00:14:29,264 --> 00:14:30,944 Speaker 1: like a last minute decision they've done. 324 00:14:31,104 --> 00:14:32,984 Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, they are quite a big 325 00:14:33,024 --> 00:14:34,344 Speaker 2: part of a story. 326 00:14:33,984 --> 00:14:36,144 Speaker 1: Okay, I think that when they banded to what we 327 00:14:36,224 --> 00:14:38,104 Speaker 1: saw when the first trailer. 328 00:14:37,824 --> 00:14:40,744 Speaker 2: Came, right, Yeah, So they're really trying to center on that. 329 00:14:41,304 --> 00:14:43,624 Speaker 2: But then you still have the Dwarves because the Bandits 330 00:14:43,904 --> 00:14:45,544 Speaker 2: live in the woods, and then it lacks snow White 331 00:14:45,584 --> 00:14:45,904 Speaker 2: at first. 332 00:14:45,944 --> 00:14:48,744 Speaker 1: So the seven Dwarves and seven Bandits, yeah okay, yeah, 333 00:14:48,904 --> 00:14:50,584 Speaker 1: interesting and one sage I all do dance together. 334 00:14:50,624 --> 00:14:55,184 Speaker 2: It's great. That's all. So all of that happened, and 335 00:14:55,184 --> 00:14:57,064 Speaker 2: now we're in the rollout of the movie and there's 336 00:14:57,064 --> 00:14:58,464 Speaker 2: been a lot of talk that it's been a very 337 00:14:58,504 --> 00:15:02,104 Speaker 2: peared down premiere. So they had the film's European premiere, 338 00:15:02,144 --> 00:15:04,464 Speaker 2: and this is cool is that it took place at 339 00:15:04,464 --> 00:15:06,824 Speaker 2: a remote castle in Spain, which was the basis for 340 00:15:06,864 --> 00:15:10,184 Speaker 2: the original Snow White cast, and rachel' ze got up 341 00:15:10,184 --> 00:15:12,504 Speaker 2: and performed a song from the movie and it's all amazing. 342 00:15:12,704 --> 00:15:15,144 Speaker 2: But what's interesting is that she performs just a very 343 00:15:15,144 --> 00:15:18,784 Speaker 2: small group of people and most media outlets were not invited. 344 00:15:19,304 --> 00:15:22,824 Speaker 2: And then they had the La premiere, which was also 345 00:15:23,144 --> 00:15:25,464 Speaker 2: very pared down for a Disney premiere, and they didn't 346 00:15:25,464 --> 00:15:28,344 Speaker 2: have the traditional like red carpet, which is where you 347 00:15:28,384 --> 00:15:31,064 Speaker 2: invite all the outlets. You know, people travel into town 348 00:15:31,144 --> 00:15:32,904 Speaker 2: for it. You have all the main outlets. 349 00:15:32,464 --> 00:15:34,424 Speaker 1: There, and it's what they did for a Little Mermaid. 350 00:15:34,744 --> 00:15:37,024 Speaker 2: Well, they do pretty much every premiere that's any kind 351 00:15:37,024 --> 00:15:39,504 Speaker 2: of a big release. You have the premiere, and part 352 00:15:39,504 --> 00:15:41,984 Speaker 2: of that is obviously show people the movie, take the photos, 353 00:15:41,984 --> 00:15:43,464 Speaker 2: but a big part of that is to have that 354 00:15:43,544 --> 00:15:46,304 Speaker 2: press access so that they can go along and do 355 00:15:46,384 --> 00:15:49,344 Speaker 2: like thirty interviews. So they had no press invited. They 356 00:15:49,344 --> 00:15:51,824 Speaker 2: did a few interviews, but like with in house Disney people, 357 00:15:51,904 --> 00:15:54,344 Speaker 2: either with people who were like in previous Disney movies 358 00:15:54,424 --> 00:15:57,384 Speaker 2: or like their own pr team, and they took photos together, 359 00:15:57,784 --> 00:16:00,104 Speaker 2: but they didn't do any of the traditional press. And 360 00:16:00,144 --> 00:16:03,344 Speaker 2: they've done a very small amount of interviews, whereas normally 361 00:16:03,624 --> 00:16:05,624 Speaker 2: they'd be in junkets from like morning till night and 362 00:16:05,624 --> 00:16:07,544 Speaker 2: do like close to one hundred interviews. But it's all 363 00:16:07,544 --> 00:16:09,944 Speaker 2: been shut down, so no one has access to them 364 00:16:10,104 --> 00:16:11,824 Speaker 2: to ask them about all these controversies. 365 00:16:12,384 --> 00:16:15,144 Speaker 1: Oh my god, because which brings us to our next time. 366 00:16:15,184 --> 00:16:16,904 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it keeps going. 367 00:16:17,104 --> 00:16:19,344 Speaker 2: There's so much around. There's also in twenty twenty two, 368 00:16:19,384 --> 00:16:22,384 Speaker 2: this is a bad year for this movie. Rachel Zegler 369 00:16:22,784 --> 00:16:23,584 Speaker 2: was was there a. 370 00:16:23,504 --> 00:16:24,824 Speaker 1: Good year for this movie in question? 371 00:16:24,944 --> 00:16:27,784 Speaker 2: No, I mean it's out now. No one from Disney 372 00:16:27,784 --> 00:16:29,624 Speaker 2: has come out and said this, But the thinking behind 373 00:16:29,704 --> 00:16:31,944 Speaker 2: the scenes is that they tried to like not bury it, 374 00:16:31,984 --> 00:16:34,424 Speaker 2: but trying to just like, the movie's out. We've done 375 00:16:34,424 --> 00:16:36,544 Speaker 2: a little bit of fanfare. Here's some nights picks, go 376 00:16:36,624 --> 00:16:38,384 Speaker 2: and watch it, and let's not talk about this ever 377 00:16:38,424 --> 00:16:40,744 Speaker 2: again once on have any further discussions. But obviously people 378 00:16:40,744 --> 00:16:42,624 Speaker 2: are having a field day because they want to know 379 00:16:42,624 --> 00:16:44,864 Speaker 2: about this drama they think is happening behind the scenes. 380 00:16:45,464 --> 00:16:48,224 Speaker 2: So in twenty twenty two, Rachel Zegler was on a 381 00:16:48,464 --> 00:16:51,424 Speaker 2: carpet for a Disney event and she was asked about 382 00:16:51,424 --> 00:16:54,384 Speaker 2: the movie, and she gave this interview that which went 383 00:16:54,504 --> 00:16:55,384 Speaker 2: completely viral. 384 00:16:55,624 --> 00:16:58,304 Speaker 1: You've told me before that your version of Snow White 385 00:16:58,824 --> 00:17:00,904 Speaker 1: is different and it's more of a twenty twenty. 386 00:17:00,664 --> 00:17:03,464 Speaker 2: Two version of snow White. What did you mean by that? 387 00:17:04,144 --> 00:17:06,464 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, the original cartoon came out in 388 00:17:06,544 --> 00:17:10,824 Speaker 3: nineteen thirty seven and very evidently so there is a 389 00:17:10,904 --> 00:17:14,664 Speaker 3: big focus on her love story with a guy who 390 00:17:14,664 --> 00:17:19,224 Speaker 3: literally stalks her. Weird. Weird, So we didn't do that 391 00:17:19,264 --> 00:17:19,784 Speaker 3: this time. 392 00:17:20,704 --> 00:17:22,504 Speaker 1: I remember when we talked about this interview. 393 00:17:22,904 --> 00:17:25,624 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, she the wave of hatred against her was 394 00:17:25,664 --> 00:17:28,264 Speaker 2: so intense and just to kind of give you a 395 00:17:28,264 --> 00:17:31,544 Speaker 2: bit of context. People hated her before this interview for 396 00:17:31,664 --> 00:17:33,384 Speaker 2: reasons out of out of her control. So when she 397 00:17:33,424 --> 00:17:35,984 Speaker 2: did West Side Story, that was her first big movie role, 398 00:17:36,104 --> 00:17:38,584 Speaker 2: she was only like a teenager at the time. And 399 00:17:38,744 --> 00:17:41,624 Speaker 2: when that movie was coming out, her co star Anzeilbrt 400 00:17:42,024 --> 00:17:45,544 Speaker 2: was accused of sexual harassment and the story about underage 401 00:17:45,584 --> 00:17:47,984 Speaker 2: girl was never proven. Was all allegations, but it was 402 00:17:47,984 --> 00:17:50,304 Speaker 2: this whole big shadowy with a movie, and there was 403 00:17:50,304 --> 00:17:52,344 Speaker 2: a lot of pushback on Rachel for people saying she 404 00:17:52,384 --> 00:17:55,024 Speaker 2: didn't speak out against him and she didn't kind of 405 00:17:55,064 --> 00:17:57,064 Speaker 2: like take a stand, and afterwards she was like, it 406 00:17:57,104 --> 00:17:58,784 Speaker 2: was my first movie. I was like a child. I 407 00:17:58,824 --> 00:18:01,304 Speaker 2: had filmed with this man years ago. I don't know him, 408 00:18:01,704 --> 00:18:03,104 Speaker 2: and so there was a lot of hate for that. 409 00:18:03,264 --> 00:18:07,024 Speaker 2: And then when she was in Shizam iiO with he 410 00:18:07,184 --> 00:18:09,584 Speaker 2: who shall not be named, that's all she did say 411 00:18:10,664 --> 00:18:13,224 Speaker 2: to Yeah, well, I like she the first isam and 412 00:18:13,304 --> 00:18:15,264 Speaker 2: you know, I love Zachar Leeby before he turned evil. 413 00:18:15,464 --> 00:18:17,024 Speaker 2: And then she was asked that why she took the role, 414 00:18:17,064 --> 00:18:19,104 Speaker 2: which is a pretty stand question that people get asked, 415 00:18:19,104 --> 00:18:21,304 Speaker 2: and she's the only one to actually give an interesting answer. 416 00:18:21,344 --> 00:18:22,944 Speaker 2: She's like I just really needed the money. I needed 417 00:18:22,944 --> 00:18:25,184 Speaker 2: a job, which is fairst And then people were angry 418 00:18:25,184 --> 00:18:26,864 Speaker 2: at her, which I thought was interesting because none of 419 00:18:26,904 --> 00:18:28,424 Speaker 2: you even liked the movie, so why are you being 420 00:18:28,424 --> 00:18:31,064 Speaker 2: so protective of it? And then the snow White stuff 421 00:18:31,064 --> 00:18:33,304 Speaker 2: came out and people were just the hatred against her 422 00:18:33,384 --> 00:18:34,024 Speaker 2: was very intense. 423 00:18:34,104 --> 00:18:36,624 Speaker 1: She can't catch your break. I understand she was fine 424 00:18:36,624 --> 00:18:37,504 Speaker 1: in Hunger Games. 425 00:18:37,944 --> 00:18:40,224 Speaker 2: Yeah, she was great in Hunger Games in the prequel 426 00:18:40,224 --> 00:18:42,064 Speaker 2: movie and her song and that everything in that movie 427 00:18:42,104 --> 00:18:43,784 Speaker 2: is like, she's quite incredible, But I don't think that 428 00:18:43,864 --> 00:18:45,984 Speaker 2: was enough to cancel the noise from the people who 429 00:18:46,064 --> 00:18:47,744 Speaker 2: had already decided they hated her. 430 00:18:47,624 --> 00:18:50,624 Speaker 1: Because the snow White stuff started before that, and then 431 00:18:50,664 --> 00:18:52,584 Speaker 1: she did Hunger Games and it continued after that. 432 00:18:52,704 --> 00:18:54,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Now the movies out, it's kind of been 433 00:18:54,744 --> 00:18:56,904 Speaker 2: brought up again. But I think that quote, like, I 434 00:18:56,944 --> 00:18:59,264 Speaker 2: think she was actually just trying to speak in terms 435 00:18:59,264 --> 00:19:01,664 Speaker 2: of how we were talking about Disney movies at the time, 436 00:19:01,944 --> 00:19:04,544 Speaker 2: of people saying, like, why is all about this love story? 437 00:19:04,584 --> 00:19:07,144 Speaker 2: Why did the women have any agency? We need to 438 00:19:07,184 --> 00:19:09,304 Speaker 2: like not just have princesses, we need heroes like that 439 00:19:09,344 --> 00:19:11,384 Speaker 2: was a huge talking part in the years leading up 440 00:19:11,384 --> 00:19:14,024 Speaker 2: to her giving that interview, and so I think she 441 00:19:14,104 --> 00:19:16,304 Speaker 2: was I think once she believes it, but also that 442 00:19:16,344 --> 00:19:18,144 Speaker 2: she was really trying to speak to the zeitgeist at 443 00:19:18,144 --> 00:19:21,024 Speaker 2: the time, and just her phrasing came across as people 444 00:19:21,064 --> 00:19:22,224 Speaker 2: like she hates snow white. 445 00:19:22,304 --> 00:19:23,904 Speaker 1: It was also the time where I feel like we 446 00:19:23,904 --> 00:19:27,064 Speaker 1: were all just really critical of young women in Hollywood. 447 00:19:27,264 --> 00:19:30,144 Speaker 1: It was around that same time where General O'taga was 448 00:19:30,224 --> 00:19:33,024 Speaker 1: in Wednesday and like Blos Bueljos, and she was like 449 00:19:33,064 --> 00:19:35,904 Speaker 1: talking about how she wanted to rewrite stuff and redo stuff, 450 00:19:36,064 --> 00:19:37,464 Speaker 1: and it was just that time where we were just like, 451 00:19:37,464 --> 00:19:40,144 Speaker 1: why are these young women speaking so much? Yeah, exactly. 452 00:19:40,224 --> 00:19:41,944 Speaker 2: It's like they were just kind of leading into what 453 00:19:41,984 --> 00:19:43,544 Speaker 2: they thought the world wanted to hear, and when we 454 00:19:43,584 --> 00:19:46,224 Speaker 2: heard it, we just didn't, like, you know, someone talking 455 00:19:46,224 --> 00:19:48,744 Speaker 2: badly of a fictional character. And the thing is she 456 00:19:48,824 --> 00:19:52,424 Speaker 2: has given from that moment up until now, so over 457 00:19:52,464 --> 00:19:55,544 Speaker 2: three years, she has given so many interviews where she 458 00:19:55,584 --> 00:19:57,904 Speaker 2: talks about her love of snow white, shocks at making 459 00:19:57,904 --> 00:20:00,264 Speaker 2: a movie, shocks at her impoint the story was, so 460 00:20:00,384 --> 00:20:03,984 Speaker 2: she's given like hundreds of positive interviews and one where 461 00:20:03,984 --> 00:20:06,104 Speaker 2: she just kind of questioned but that's the one that 462 00:20:06,144 --> 00:20:08,424 Speaker 2: gets remembered. But also, now that I've seen the movie, 463 00:20:08,544 --> 00:20:10,704 Speaker 2: what she's saying makes so much more sense, which we'll 464 00:20:10,704 --> 00:20:12,744 Speaker 2: get to afterwards when we talk about the actual film. 465 00:20:13,024 --> 00:20:15,144 Speaker 2: But I understand what she was trying to bread crumb, 466 00:20:15,184 --> 00:20:18,064 Speaker 2: and it makes a lot more sense for a modern story. 467 00:20:18,464 --> 00:20:20,824 Speaker 2: So that all blew up. And then there's also been 468 00:20:20,824 --> 00:20:24,104 Speaker 2: a lot of speculation that she and her co star Galgadot, 469 00:20:24,184 --> 00:20:26,904 Speaker 2: who plays the evil Queen, are they are fighting, so 470 00:20:26,944 --> 00:20:30,424 Speaker 2: they never actually set There's a few different reasons. One 471 00:20:30,584 --> 00:20:33,704 Speaker 2: is that Rachel Zegeler has hosted a lot of content 472 00:20:33,784 --> 00:20:36,904 Speaker 2: in support of Palestine and has been very active across 473 00:20:36,904 --> 00:20:38,784 Speaker 2: her socials and she gets a lot of backlash for that, 474 00:20:38,824 --> 00:20:41,744 Speaker 2: and she's like very outspoken on that. And then Galgado 475 00:20:42,024 --> 00:20:44,664 Speaker 2: is from Israel, and she served in the Israeli Army 476 00:20:44,664 --> 00:20:46,904 Speaker 2: for two years and has also been like very proud 477 00:20:46,904 --> 00:20:49,464 Speaker 2: of her heritage. Like recently she got a star on 478 00:20:49,464 --> 00:20:51,344 Speaker 2: the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Because you know, a studio 479 00:20:51,384 --> 00:20:54,184 Speaker 2: pays first stuff before a movie comes out. It was 480 00:20:54,224 --> 00:20:56,944 Speaker 2: a bit of like extra promo, and she was talking 481 00:20:56,944 --> 00:20:59,304 Speaker 2: about her life in Israel and speaking Hebrew, and then 482 00:20:59,344 --> 00:21:01,704 Speaker 2: there was all these protesters outside and they had to 483 00:21:01,784 --> 00:21:04,064 Speaker 2: be removed. That made headline. So people think they could 484 00:21:04,064 --> 00:21:07,384 Speaker 2: be clashing over that. But there's also ideas that, like, 485 00:21:07,904 --> 00:21:09,584 Speaker 2: I mean, this is all rumors at this point in time, 486 00:21:09,904 --> 00:21:12,384 Speaker 2: is that was angry at Rachel for like tarnishing the 487 00:21:12,424 --> 00:21:14,944 Speaker 2: movie with what she was saying about not liking the movie, 488 00:21:14,944 --> 00:21:17,424 Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff. So they haven't done all 489 00:21:17,464 --> 00:21:20,384 Speaker 2: these joint press interviews together, which is it's what makes 490 00:21:20,384 --> 00:21:22,744 Speaker 2: me think that something is going on, because you don't 491 00:21:22,744 --> 00:21:24,904 Speaker 2: want to feed too much into internet rumors. But at 492 00:21:24,944 --> 00:21:27,424 Speaker 2: the same time, normally you would go off and do 493 00:21:27,744 --> 00:21:30,584 Speaker 2: all these paired interviews together. You do the talk show 494 00:21:30,704 --> 00:21:33,664 Speaker 2: circuit together, which they've done like separately. You would do 495 00:21:33,784 --> 00:21:36,624 Speaker 2: red carpet interviews together. You would do junkets together. Maybe 496 00:21:36,704 --> 00:21:38,984 Speaker 2: Rachel would go to her Hollywood Walk of Fame style. 497 00:21:39,104 --> 00:21:43,264 Speaker 2: Vindeeza was there, gave a long speech. He'll always show fast. 498 00:21:44,864 --> 00:21:47,744 Speaker 2: They haven't done anything like that. They presented the oscars together, 499 00:21:48,104 --> 00:21:51,704 Speaker 2: which everyone thinks must mean their friends, but you're contractually 500 00:21:51,744 --> 00:21:52,504 Speaker 2: obligated to do that. 501 00:21:52,544 --> 00:21:53,784 Speaker 1: They would have just done that and you just walk 502 00:21:53,824 --> 00:21:54,544 Speaker 1: out on stage. 503 00:21:54,744 --> 00:21:56,264 Speaker 2: One says a line. The others has a line the 504 00:21:56,264 --> 00:21:59,184 Speaker 2: person gets the oscar, they leave. They didn't actually interact. 505 00:21:59,384 --> 00:22:02,184 Speaker 1: It's so true because like, I haven't seen them together ever. 506 00:22:02,304 --> 00:22:04,224 Speaker 1: And then when I saw them at the Oscars, I 507 00:22:04,264 --> 00:22:06,344 Speaker 1: was like, oh, what an interesting pairing. And then I remember, oh, no, wait, 508 00:22:06,344 --> 00:22:07,464 Speaker 1: they're in a movie together. 509 00:22:07,304 --> 00:22:09,304 Speaker 2: In a movie to make sense. Yeah, And then at 510 00:22:09,344 --> 00:22:12,264 Speaker 2: the big LA prem there was all this speculation of like, 511 00:22:12,464 --> 00:22:14,064 Speaker 2: this is the first time we're going to like see 512 00:22:14,064 --> 00:22:16,744 Speaker 2: them interact. And they did stand together for a photo, 513 00:22:16,784 --> 00:22:18,744 Speaker 2: and again we're only seeing bits and pieces, not seeing 514 00:22:18,784 --> 00:22:20,984 Speaker 2: really what's happened inside the theater or anything like that, 515 00:22:21,224 --> 00:22:23,224 Speaker 2: but it looks like they took a photo together. Then 516 00:22:23,264 --> 00:22:25,824 Speaker 2: as soon as the photographer says thanks, they both turn 517 00:22:26,184 --> 00:22:29,304 Speaker 2: and walk away separately, and they're both like smiling and 518 00:22:29,304 --> 00:22:31,064 Speaker 2: like waving to other people. So maybe they're just you know, 519 00:22:31,064 --> 00:22:33,704 Speaker 2: not like on a red carpet. Yeah, it's very intense 520 00:22:33,704 --> 00:22:34,784 Speaker 2: and there's everyone's calling you name. 521 00:22:34,784 --> 00:22:35,824 Speaker 1: They didn't talk to each other. 522 00:22:36,424 --> 00:22:39,624 Speaker 2: There's no footage of them talking, right, And Rachel's been 523 00:22:39,624 --> 00:22:42,304 Speaker 2: going along and introducing some screening to the movie where 524 00:22:42,304 --> 00:22:44,744 Speaker 2: she talks abut the fact that she got the role 525 00:22:44,744 --> 00:22:46,224 Speaker 2: when she was a teenager. And now she's in her 526 00:22:46,264 --> 00:22:48,184 Speaker 2: mid twenties and this has been five years of her 527 00:22:48,224 --> 00:22:49,864 Speaker 2: life and what a moment it is. But I haven't 528 00:22:49,864 --> 00:22:52,424 Speaker 2: really heard her say anything about girl. I know they've 529 00:22:52,424 --> 00:22:54,304 Speaker 2: said little nice things about each other here and there, 530 00:22:54,344 --> 00:22:56,904 Speaker 2: but it does seem that they really dislike each other. 531 00:22:56,984 --> 00:22:59,104 Speaker 1: Oh, they're playing their real characters. 532 00:22:59,464 --> 00:23:00,624 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, maybe they're just going math. 533 00:23:01,624 --> 00:23:07,104 Speaker 1: So that was like all the controversy and but you've 534 00:23:07,144 --> 00:23:09,744 Speaker 1: actually seen the film, so it's like all been leading 535 00:23:09,784 --> 00:23:12,864 Speaker 1: to this big moment of the actual film being watched 536 00:23:12,864 --> 00:23:15,184 Speaker 1: by everyone. Was it worth it? 537 00:23:15,784 --> 00:23:15,984 Speaker 3: Yes? 538 00:23:16,024 --> 00:23:19,184 Speaker 2: So I went into the premiere this week, the Austrayan premiere. 539 00:23:19,864 --> 00:23:20,104 Speaker 1: People. 540 00:23:20,464 --> 00:23:22,544 Speaker 2: It was Yeah, it was two full cinemas, but again 541 00:23:22,624 --> 00:23:24,624 Speaker 2: with this whole theme of pair down, it was just 542 00:23:24,704 --> 00:23:26,544 Speaker 2: two cinemas. How like sometimes you go to a movie 543 00:23:26,584 --> 00:23:29,224 Speaker 2: premiere and it's all decorated in its activation Yeah, like 544 00:23:29,304 --> 00:23:29,944 Speaker 2: theme drinks. 545 00:23:30,264 --> 00:23:30,464 Speaker 3: It was. 546 00:23:30,624 --> 00:23:32,064 Speaker 2: It was very nice, but it was just like you 547 00:23:32,104 --> 00:23:34,744 Speaker 2: walk into the cinema. There were some free softdrinks and popcorn, 548 00:23:34,784 --> 00:23:36,464 Speaker 2: which is always nice, and then we just watched the 549 00:23:36,504 --> 00:23:37,944 Speaker 2: movie and that was it. Okay, which is fine. 550 00:23:37,984 --> 00:23:41,464 Speaker 1: But the more media people there then influences, Yeah, from 551 00:23:41,504 --> 00:23:43,264 Speaker 1: what I could see okay, yeah, yeah, I think the 552 00:23:43,304 --> 00:23:46,384 Speaker 1: influencers went to the grounds events, me and my influencer friends. 553 00:23:47,784 --> 00:23:49,504 Speaker 2: A few people had like a snow white looking outfit 554 00:23:49,584 --> 00:23:51,464 Speaker 2: on and stuff. It's just but there's no media wall 555 00:23:51,504 --> 00:23:53,984 Speaker 2: or anything like that. So yes, I went in and 556 00:23:54,104 --> 00:23:55,704 Speaker 2: tried to get an open mind. And now, as we 557 00:23:55,744 --> 00:23:59,704 Speaker 2: said earlier this week, with the live adaptations of Disney movies, 558 00:23:59,744 --> 00:24:01,824 Speaker 2: I'm not usually a fan and I don't say them 559 00:24:01,864 --> 00:24:03,824 Speaker 2: lightly because as you know, the Disney Classics is my 560 00:24:03,864 --> 00:24:04,624 Speaker 2: whole personality. 561 00:24:04,744 --> 00:24:06,824 Speaker 1: But don't you remember my tip? But you don't have 562 00:24:06,944 --> 00:24:07,504 Speaker 1: to watch them? 563 00:24:07,744 --> 00:24:10,064 Speaker 2: No, I know, but I have to watch Oh you can, 564 00:24:10,144 --> 00:24:12,704 Speaker 2: just no, I know, I know, but I just go 565 00:24:12,904 --> 00:24:14,904 Speaker 2: in with like the stakes are high for me personally 566 00:24:15,024 --> 00:24:17,504 Speaker 2: because I love the Disney classic movie and Snowhay was 567 00:24:17,544 --> 00:24:20,424 Speaker 2: the first one. Yes, and as you know, I still 568 00:24:20,544 --> 00:24:22,944 Speaker 2: listen to all the Disney Classic music. That's my main 569 00:24:23,064 --> 00:24:25,584 Speaker 2: source of music. Yeah, you do, which not weird, not 570 00:24:25,664 --> 00:24:27,224 Speaker 2: in a weird Disney adult way, like I don't have 571 00:24:27,304 --> 00:24:29,144 Speaker 2: mini mouses over my house or anything like that. It's 572 00:24:29,184 --> 00:24:30,384 Speaker 2: just like I listened to them the same way I 573 00:24:30,384 --> 00:24:33,504 Speaker 2: listened to Broadway songs, like they're the best lyricists composers. 574 00:24:33,184 --> 00:24:34,624 Speaker 1: But it's like what you're used to, right, Like it 575 00:24:34,664 --> 00:24:36,984 Speaker 1: took me a while to get into the new Wicked album. 576 00:24:37,784 --> 00:24:39,144 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm still not into that as I am 577 00:24:39,144 --> 00:24:42,384 Speaker 2: to the original Broadway. But no, I know, so I don't. 578 00:24:42,424 --> 00:24:45,624 Speaker 2: I don't love the live action adaptations only because I 579 00:24:45,664 --> 00:24:47,384 Speaker 2: feel like a lot of the time they feel like 580 00:24:47,424 --> 00:24:50,224 Speaker 2: they like heart and soul and they're more just being 581 00:24:50,304 --> 00:24:52,144 Speaker 2: like a paint by numbers, like let's just remake the 582 00:24:52,224 --> 00:24:54,784 Speaker 2: scene but with a person, or they're too much about 583 00:24:54,784 --> 00:24:56,904 Speaker 2: the special effects, and they come across being a bit 584 00:24:56,984 --> 00:25:00,024 Speaker 2: more like just having like an other world equality, but 585 00:25:00,144 --> 00:25:00,664 Speaker 2: in a bad way. 586 00:25:00,704 --> 00:25:03,504 Speaker 1: But they trick some people into thinking, oh yeah, exactly. 587 00:25:04,904 --> 00:25:07,904 Speaker 2: So I went into the new movie with an open mind, 588 00:25:07,984 --> 00:25:10,504 Speaker 2: and I really liked it. It might actually be one 589 00:25:10,544 --> 00:25:13,944 Speaker 2: of my favorite live Disney movies ever. That's insane, Like 590 00:25:14,144 --> 00:25:16,544 Speaker 2: I likes The Little Mermaid, but I think I liked this. Wait, 591 00:25:16,664 --> 00:25:19,264 Speaker 2: we haven't seen Leland and Stitch yet. Yeah the fht 592 00:25:19,264 --> 00:25:20,784 Speaker 2: Oh my god, but the Leila and Stitch trailer did 593 00:25:20,864 --> 00:25:22,984 Speaker 2: play before the movie. I was like, why can't I 594 00:25:23,104 --> 00:25:27,064 Speaker 2: escape this? So it follows a lot of the same 595 00:25:27,184 --> 00:25:29,904 Speaker 2: storyline of like a princess born in a snowstorm, but 596 00:25:30,264 --> 00:25:32,384 Speaker 2: like in the original snow White books they say she 597 00:25:32,504 --> 00:25:34,744 Speaker 2: was given her name because skin as white as snowhair 598 00:25:34,824 --> 00:25:37,064 Speaker 2: as black as em andy, blah blah blah. In this 599 00:25:37,344 --> 00:25:39,904 Speaker 2: they talk about her being born in a snowstorm and 600 00:25:40,024 --> 00:25:42,464 Speaker 2: she has resilience and that's why she's going to be 601 00:25:42,504 --> 00:25:42,904 Speaker 2: a leader. 602 00:25:43,144 --> 00:25:44,624 Speaker 1: And I was like, we like, we like to see 603 00:25:44,664 --> 00:25:46,784 Speaker 1: it given wonder woman. Yeah, I would have loved that. 604 00:25:47,744 --> 00:25:49,504 Speaker 2: And then you, of course see her grow up, and 605 00:25:49,664 --> 00:25:52,144 Speaker 2: you know, the whole traditional story of snow White Mom dies, 606 00:25:52,464 --> 00:25:54,744 Speaker 2: dad remarries a beautiful stranger who turns out to be 607 00:25:54,784 --> 00:25:57,544 Speaker 2: an evil queen. We've all made that mistake. And then 608 00:25:57,624 --> 00:25:59,984 Speaker 2: you see the evil team turn against her and her 609 00:26:00,144 --> 00:26:02,184 Speaker 2: disappear into the forest. So it's all very kind of 610 00:26:02,264 --> 00:26:04,224 Speaker 2: like the same, but there's quite a few different songs 611 00:26:04,264 --> 00:26:07,344 Speaker 2: put in there. One of the biggest differences is there's 612 00:26:07,424 --> 00:26:11,864 Speaker 2: no prince, but there is a love interest. Name Prince 613 00:26:12,024 --> 00:26:13,024 Speaker 2: is Jonathan. 614 00:26:12,944 --> 00:26:16,824 Speaker 1: Okay, and he's excited because he's kind. 615 00:26:16,664 --> 00:26:19,064 Speaker 2: Of say the movie, so you know, you have like 616 00:26:19,184 --> 00:26:21,104 Speaker 2: Rachel Zegler's snow White like working as a Maine in 617 00:26:21,144 --> 00:26:25,424 Speaker 2: the castle and every princess and all the guards are men, 618 00:26:26,544 --> 00:26:29,784 Speaker 2: and then the huntsman's are there. This is not a 619 00:26:29,824 --> 00:26:31,744 Speaker 2: movie for the ladies, well, unless you just want to 620 00:26:31,744 --> 00:26:34,584 Speaker 2: look at the men. So Jonathan is a new character 621 00:26:34,624 --> 00:26:37,824 Speaker 2: who is created from the film, and he's partially based 622 00:26:37,904 --> 00:26:40,824 Speaker 2: on the original prince from the original movie in the book, 623 00:26:41,144 --> 00:26:44,504 Speaker 2: but instead of being a prince who just sees snow 624 00:26:44,544 --> 00:26:47,264 Speaker 2: white over a castle wall once and then wanders into 625 00:26:47,304 --> 00:26:48,904 Speaker 2: the forest to look for her and then gives her 626 00:26:49,024 --> 00:26:51,264 Speaker 2: unconscious body of kiss, which is what Rachel Zegler was 627 00:26:51,304 --> 00:26:58,184 Speaker 2: creating from the original, weird, Instead, he's a rebel who 628 00:26:58,304 --> 00:27:00,984 Speaker 2: lives in the forest with his fellow rebels and he's 629 00:27:01,024 --> 00:27:04,144 Speaker 2: their leader and he's working to overthrow the queen and 630 00:27:04,224 --> 00:27:06,424 Speaker 2: the monarchy. And he in snow white meat when he 631 00:27:06,464 --> 00:27:08,384 Speaker 2: comes into the castle to steal potatoes. 632 00:27:08,944 --> 00:27:11,704 Speaker 1: Okay, I quite like that storyline. I once met a 633 00:27:11,784 --> 00:27:14,864 Speaker 1: man in a forest. I met a man who was 634 00:27:15,224 --> 00:27:17,544 Speaker 1: lived in the forest. I can't remember. Yeah, he lived 635 00:27:17,584 --> 00:27:20,624 Speaker 1: in the he lived in the dangery. Okay, and you 636 00:27:20,664 --> 00:27:23,944 Speaker 1: know what, they're quite fine characters. Yeah, I understand the appeal. 637 00:27:24,024 --> 00:27:25,264 Speaker 2: We'll unpacked at a different time. 638 00:27:25,784 --> 00:27:27,704 Speaker 1: And so one snow White has to we is a 639 00:27:27,744 --> 00:27:28,504 Speaker 1: potato famine. 640 00:27:29,024 --> 00:27:30,824 Speaker 2: Well know that the queen has taken all the riches, 641 00:27:30,864 --> 00:27:32,784 Speaker 2: all the food, everything and kept it all for herself 642 00:27:32,784 --> 00:27:34,784 Speaker 2: in the castle. So yeah, he's stealing for his people 643 00:27:35,024 --> 00:27:37,144 Speaker 2: like to be hungry and stuff and all that. 644 00:27:37,424 --> 00:27:40,264 Speaker 1: She's not my food expires, she's trying. She's just evil 645 00:27:40,384 --> 00:27:43,264 Speaker 1: maybe because like she's got that magic mirror, so maybe 646 00:27:43,264 --> 00:27:44,384 Speaker 1: she has like a magic fridge. 647 00:27:44,784 --> 00:27:46,584 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I think you're trying to add layers and 648 00:27:46,584 --> 00:27:49,224 Speaker 2: aunt there. So he's this rebel. And then once they 649 00:27:49,264 --> 00:27:50,864 Speaker 2: go into the forest, they meet and like you know, 650 00:27:51,104 --> 00:27:53,624 Speaker 2: they make plans to like see if her father still 651 00:27:53,624 --> 00:27:56,984 Speaker 2: alive and overthrow the queen, and they work with the dwarves, 652 00:27:57,024 --> 00:27:58,944 Speaker 2: and he takes an arrow for her, like that shot 653 00:27:59,024 --> 00:28:00,664 Speaker 2: at her at one stage, and he takes the arrow 654 00:28:00,704 --> 00:28:02,904 Speaker 2: in his chest for her as he should. It's like 655 00:28:02,984 --> 00:28:05,584 Speaker 2: the least you could do. And then they start to 656 00:28:05,624 --> 00:28:08,424 Speaker 2: sort of fall in love. So what Rachel was saying, 657 00:28:08,464 --> 00:28:09,824 Speaker 2: I think in that interview of being like, it's not 658 00:28:09,904 --> 00:28:12,024 Speaker 2: just this weird stranger who comes along and kisses her 659 00:28:12,064 --> 00:28:15,224 Speaker 2: without consent. It's this man who she has a relationship 660 00:28:15,304 --> 00:28:19,424 Speaker 2: with and they're in love and it's all cute. So yeah, 661 00:28:19,504 --> 00:28:21,904 Speaker 2: I mean, also, but then she saves everyone. I think 662 00:28:21,904 --> 00:28:23,584 Speaker 2: I won't say now, that's kind you know. 663 00:28:23,704 --> 00:28:26,824 Speaker 1: I noticed from the trailer the magic mirror is the 664 00:28:26,944 --> 00:28:28,224 Speaker 1: exact same one in Shrek. 665 00:28:28,984 --> 00:28:31,624 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the mirror in Shrek is based 666 00:28:31,664 --> 00:28:32,224 Speaker 2: off that mirror. 667 00:28:32,384 --> 00:28:33,984 Speaker 1: Yeah, but the mirror and Shrek was based off the 668 00:28:34,184 --> 00:28:36,584 Speaker 1: animated version of the mirror. Yeah, and then they just 669 00:28:36,744 --> 00:28:39,904 Speaker 1: made the one in the real life adaptation look like 670 00:28:39,944 --> 00:28:40,704 Speaker 1: the one in Shrek. 671 00:28:40,944 --> 00:28:43,144 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it's a cinematic universe. I think Emily is 672 00:28:43,144 --> 00:28:45,864 Speaker 2: the best. So jonathanis pipstall on him. Jonathan is played 673 00:28:45,864 --> 00:28:48,704 Speaker 2: by Andrew Burnup, who people don't know his name, I'm sure, 674 00:28:48,784 --> 00:28:50,904 Speaker 2: but they should. So he's actually a Broadway star and 675 00:28:50,984 --> 00:28:54,944 Speaker 2: it shows he's really good at dancing. He sings a 676 00:28:55,224 --> 00:28:57,464 Speaker 2: song called Princess Problems, which I didn't. 677 00:28:57,304 --> 00:28:59,664 Speaker 1: Love, but his hashtag princess problems in. 678 00:28:59,744 --> 00:29:01,664 Speaker 2: Like, you've got princess problems and not real problems. The 679 00:29:01,744 --> 00:29:03,984 Speaker 2: rest of us are starving. Oh kind of thing. 680 00:29:04,064 --> 00:29:05,064 Speaker 1: But is he seeing that to her? 681 00:29:05,464 --> 00:29:07,224 Speaker 2: Yeah, when they're in the woods together and they sing 682 00:29:07,304 --> 00:29:09,424 Speaker 2: and dance, Oh that's nice. Yeah, and all the animals 683 00:29:09,624 --> 00:29:11,664 Speaker 2: the CG animals s. 684 00:29:13,304 --> 00:29:15,304 Speaker 1: The really well trained animals. 685 00:29:14,904 --> 00:29:17,784 Speaker 2: They got to. Maybe why I liked it is because 686 00:29:17,784 --> 00:29:19,144 Speaker 2: when you go on to watch these movies, you're like, 687 00:29:19,344 --> 00:29:21,584 Speaker 2: I know everything's gonna happen. I know most of the songs, 688 00:29:21,664 --> 00:29:23,464 Speaker 2: and I know all the dialogue, so you're watching it 689 00:29:23,584 --> 00:29:24,944 Speaker 2: just to see how they do it, but you don't 690 00:29:24,944 --> 00:29:27,624 Speaker 2: actually care about the characters because you know, like a 691 00:29:27,624 --> 00:29:29,744 Speaker 2: beauty in the b store, a Laddin or Lion King, 692 00:29:29,744 --> 00:29:31,344 Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff, like the beat for beat 693 00:29:31,744 --> 00:29:33,784 Speaker 2: of the original movie and all of the same dialogue, 694 00:29:33,824 --> 00:29:36,584 Speaker 2: so there's no surprises, whereas obviously this is like a 695 00:29:36,704 --> 00:29:38,864 Speaker 2: new relationship that's been made for the movie, and people 696 00:29:38,944 --> 00:29:40,944 Speaker 2: might not like that. But I liked it because this 697 00:29:41,064 --> 00:29:43,424 Speaker 2: is the most chemistry I've ever seen between the love 698 00:29:43,504 --> 00:29:47,064 Speaker 2: interest in our live action Disney adaptation. I was all in. 699 00:29:47,224 --> 00:29:48,624 Speaker 2: I was like, you guys are gonna kire so it's 700 00:29:48,624 --> 00:29:51,904 Speaker 2: gonna be so cute they kiss. We'll get it, obviously, Okay, good, 701 00:29:52,184 --> 00:29:53,824 Speaker 2: that's the crux of the movie. There's some funny scenes 702 00:29:53,824 --> 00:29:55,664 Speaker 2: around that, so that's a good part of the movie. 703 00:29:55,824 --> 00:29:59,264 Speaker 2: Rachel Zegler amazing, amazing, She just one hundred percent is 704 00:29:59,344 --> 00:30:01,384 Speaker 2: snow White, and in the way that snow White is 705 00:30:01,424 --> 00:30:04,104 Speaker 2: traditionally a bit of an annoying character. She's like, let's 706 00:30:04,344 --> 00:30:06,104 Speaker 2: clean up, but do it with a song. But that's 707 00:30:06,144 --> 00:30:09,864 Speaker 2: just her character, so that's okay. And her voice is incredible. 708 00:30:09,984 --> 00:30:11,864 Speaker 2: I know, I knew she had a brilliant I love 709 00:30:11,904 --> 00:30:13,984 Speaker 2: her voice so much. I just listened to all her 710 00:30:14,064 --> 00:30:16,624 Speaker 2: covers and everything all the time. And there's one song 711 00:30:16,704 --> 00:30:18,744 Speaker 2: from this movie, one of the originals called Waiting on 712 00:30:18,824 --> 00:30:19,384 Speaker 2: a Wish. 713 00:30:19,224 --> 00:30:21,464 Speaker 1: That I've been saying not a classic song. 714 00:30:21,784 --> 00:30:23,704 Speaker 2: No, no, it's made for the movie because they removed 715 00:30:23,824 --> 00:30:26,344 Speaker 2: some day my prints will come. Oh wow, So they're 716 00:30:26,384 --> 00:30:28,864 Speaker 2: removing it because there's no Priends. Yeah, got it, because 717 00:30:28,864 --> 00:30:30,904 Speaker 2: there's no prince. And also problematic that she's waiting for 718 00:30:30,984 --> 00:30:33,424 Speaker 2: a man to save her. I really like that song, 719 00:30:33,504 --> 00:30:35,704 Speaker 2: and the whole crux of the movie is her like 720 00:30:36,144 --> 00:30:38,704 Speaker 2: blurting that she can't wait for her father or this 721 00:30:38,824 --> 00:30:40,784 Speaker 2: guy to save her, like she has to save everyone. 722 00:30:40,824 --> 00:30:42,184 Speaker 1: But that's such a good song, I know. 723 00:30:42,344 --> 00:30:43,584 Speaker 2: Well, you can listen to on the original. 724 00:30:43,664 --> 00:30:44,944 Speaker 1: So that's what I don't like. 725 00:30:46,064 --> 00:30:48,744 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, Emily's not a fan. So the overall movie 726 00:30:48,944 --> 00:30:50,904 Speaker 2: is great. I liked the changes. I know why some 727 00:30:51,024 --> 00:30:55,224 Speaker 2: people wouldn't. Galgado not great. I'm sorry I was rooting 728 00:30:55,264 --> 00:30:57,224 Speaker 2: for her. I have no stake in this fight that's 729 00:30:57,264 --> 00:30:58,744 Speaker 2: happening between Too Hard. 730 00:30:58,624 --> 00:31:00,784 Speaker 1: With Wonder Woman and now all I see is wonder Woman. 731 00:31:00,864 --> 00:31:03,064 Speaker 2: It's not completely her fault, like White's a bit of 732 00:31:03,104 --> 00:31:05,824 Speaker 2: a bland character, but Rachel's a kind of elevator. But 733 00:31:05,864 --> 00:31:08,144 Speaker 2: you expect that from her. But the evil queen in 734 00:31:08,184 --> 00:31:11,304 Speaker 2: this movie is just so underwritten and there's nothing there. 735 00:31:11,624 --> 00:31:13,744 Speaker 2: They just say, like when she arrives, like a voiceover, 736 00:31:13,824 --> 00:31:16,024 Speaker 2: it's just like she's bad, and then she smiles at 737 00:31:16,024 --> 00:31:18,264 Speaker 2: the camera, and then there's nothing to say, like why 738 00:31:18,384 --> 00:31:20,224 Speaker 2: is she bad? She doesn't actually do anything that bad. 739 00:31:20,264 --> 00:31:22,504 Speaker 2: She gets threatening to kill people but never does. And 740 00:31:22,584 --> 00:31:24,904 Speaker 2: then it's also hard to know what her powers are, 741 00:31:25,264 --> 00:31:27,264 Speaker 2: Like every so often she'll like make a rose like 742 00:31:27,344 --> 00:31:28,744 Speaker 2: with her, but she doesn't do anything else. 743 00:31:28,824 --> 00:31:30,304 Speaker 1: Oh I thought she just like the mirror. 744 00:31:30,824 --> 00:31:32,664 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's got the mirror, and she's got some potions 745 00:31:32,704 --> 00:31:34,704 Speaker 2: where she like makes the poison apple. But that's more 746 00:31:34,744 --> 00:31:36,064 Speaker 2: that's a recipe that she's following. 747 00:31:36,184 --> 00:31:38,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you'd need some magic in those recipes. 748 00:31:38,904 --> 00:31:40,984 Speaker 2: Yeah, I no, But she just doesn't. Everyone's so fearful 749 00:31:40,984 --> 00:31:42,344 Speaker 2: of her, and then when they decide to get rid 750 00:31:42,344 --> 00:31:43,544 Speaker 2: of her, she's kind of like, Okay, I'm like, you 751 00:31:43,544 --> 00:31:44,584 Speaker 2: guys could have done at the Star. 752 00:31:44,744 --> 00:31:45,264 Speaker 1: What do you mean. 753 00:31:45,824 --> 00:31:47,384 Speaker 2: I know it's a children's movie. I don't want to 754 00:31:47,424 --> 00:31:49,864 Speaker 2: move to it. But the Wicked Queen in like the 755 00:31:49,944 --> 00:31:52,544 Speaker 2: original animation, Fuck. 756 00:31:52,424 --> 00:31:55,024 Speaker 1: Man, oh my god, I was haunted as a child. 757 00:31:55,544 --> 00:31:57,504 Speaker 1: She became that witch. And even that's the other thing 758 00:31:57,584 --> 00:32:00,144 Speaker 1: in the trailer when she becomes like the evil witch 759 00:32:00,224 --> 00:32:02,864 Speaker 1: toout the apple. Yeah, but she doesn't look that scary. 760 00:32:03,024 --> 00:32:04,464 Speaker 2: She is scary. I don't know if maybe they didn't 761 00:32:04,464 --> 00:32:06,704 Speaker 2: put it as much a trailer because like the animation, 762 00:32:06,904 --> 00:32:08,744 Speaker 2: Holy crap, I have nightmares with that still. But the 763 00:32:08,784 --> 00:32:10,704 Speaker 2: good thing at Disney villains is that they always have 764 00:32:10,824 --> 00:32:12,744 Speaker 2: a lot of personality and they also have a lot 765 00:32:12,784 --> 00:32:15,224 Speaker 2: of like meaning behind why they're evil. They're not just 766 00:32:15,264 --> 00:32:16,584 Speaker 2: evil because someone says they're eve. 767 00:32:16,544 --> 00:32:18,224 Speaker 1: And when they're really good, they usually get a spin 768 00:32:18,304 --> 00:32:20,624 Speaker 1: off about their Yeah, and. 769 00:32:20,744 --> 00:32:22,424 Speaker 2: So she just I just feel like gal Maybe I 770 00:32:22,464 --> 00:32:23,624 Speaker 2: don't know what she was trying to do. She doesn't 771 00:32:23,624 --> 00:32:25,464 Speaker 2: really do anything with the role. It could have been 772 00:32:25,504 --> 00:32:27,584 Speaker 2: really camping and over the top. She's a whole song 773 00:32:27,984 --> 00:32:30,064 Speaker 2: and she speaks things because she can't really see it. 774 00:32:30,184 --> 00:32:31,944 Speaker 2: But that's okay, it's still we learned from when she 775 00:32:32,024 --> 00:32:34,904 Speaker 2: did that COVID song. Yeah, celebrity s she didn't have 776 00:32:34,944 --> 00:32:37,184 Speaker 2: known them, And so that was a bit of a 777 00:32:37,264 --> 00:32:40,024 Speaker 2: letdown because she's a huge part of the movie and 778 00:32:40,384 --> 00:32:41,944 Speaker 2: she looks so great when she comes in and the 779 00:32:41,984 --> 00:32:44,504 Speaker 2: costumes are so great, but it's just let down from 780 00:32:44,544 --> 00:32:47,984 Speaker 2: her performance and the character. And then also there seems 781 00:32:48,024 --> 00:32:49,624 Speaker 2: to be no rules to this universe, like does she 782 00:32:49,704 --> 00:32:51,784 Speaker 2: have powers? Does she not? Does she what's happening here? 783 00:32:51,944 --> 00:32:53,624 Speaker 2: But when she does the spell to make herself to 784 00:32:53,664 --> 00:32:55,944 Speaker 2: be the old creepy woman and you see and because 785 00:32:56,104 --> 00:32:59,584 Speaker 2: this is where live action will always be better than CGI, 786 00:32:59,744 --> 00:33:01,784 Speaker 2: because the creepiest part of the movie is when you 787 00:33:01,824 --> 00:33:04,584 Speaker 2: can see snow White alone the beautiful little Dwarf's cottage 788 00:33:04,584 --> 00:33:06,784 Speaker 2: and there's like waterfalls and animalsn't so beautiful and you 789 00:33:06,864 --> 00:33:10,744 Speaker 2: just see the old crone like slowly walking to the Yeah, 790 00:33:11,264 --> 00:33:13,104 Speaker 2: that's the creepiest part of the whole movie. And when 791 00:33:13,104 --> 00:33:15,264 Speaker 2: she opens the door, it's like it's so scary and 792 00:33:15,384 --> 00:33:17,664 Speaker 2: it's not no real special effects except the makeup. 793 00:33:18,144 --> 00:33:20,064 Speaker 1: At least know why it's doing what it originally did. 794 00:33:20,184 --> 00:33:21,624 Speaker 1: Made us fear old woman. 795 00:33:21,664 --> 00:33:23,864 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. I was like, no, surely, if this is 796 00:33:23,904 --> 00:33:26,264 Speaker 2: a politically correct movie, they're not going to say that 797 00:33:26,344 --> 00:33:28,464 Speaker 2: this woman is scary because she's old. But they did. 798 00:33:28,784 --> 00:33:31,264 Speaker 2: She's just like the one stereotype. They don't care about it. 799 00:33:31,304 --> 00:33:32,944 Speaker 1: Now every time we see an album and we're like, yeah, 800 00:33:33,744 --> 00:33:34,464 Speaker 1: then feel alone. 801 00:33:34,584 --> 00:33:36,944 Speaker 2: They keep your apples, Yeah exactly. I mean she still 802 00:33:36,984 --> 00:33:39,064 Speaker 2: eats the apple like no one forces you to. Anyway. 803 00:33:39,144 --> 00:33:41,144 Speaker 2: That's getting into semantics of it. I really liked it. 804 00:33:41,424 --> 00:33:43,384 Speaker 2: I just also think that people are really kind of 805 00:33:43,464 --> 00:33:46,784 Speaker 2: pushing against this movie as like it's taken this Disney 806 00:33:46,824 --> 00:33:48,864 Speaker 2: classic and they've changed it up and we don't like it, 807 00:33:48,904 --> 00:33:50,904 Speaker 2: and who's going to watch that? Which makes me think 808 00:33:50,904 --> 00:33:52,904 Speaker 2: of when the movie came out in nineteen thirty seven, 809 00:33:53,024 --> 00:33:54,184 Speaker 2: not that I was alive, and I just read a 810 00:33:54,184 --> 00:33:57,104 Speaker 2: lot of the history because it was Walt Disney's first 811 00:33:57,464 --> 00:34:01,024 Speaker 2: feature length animated movie, and everyone was like the people 812 00:34:01,064 --> 00:34:03,104 Speaker 2: who work for him, the studios, everyone was like, no 813 00:34:03,224 --> 00:34:05,264 Speaker 2: one's going to watch this movie. You think people are 814 00:34:05,304 --> 00:34:08,904 Speaker 2: going to sit through a feature length animated film, You're crazy. 815 00:34:09,064 --> 00:34:11,944 Speaker 2: Animated films are not going to be thing. So everything 816 00:34:12,104 --> 00:34:14,184 Speaker 2: was writing on snow White. All of Disney's like all 817 00:34:14,184 --> 00:34:16,944 Speaker 2: their money went into it, all their power, all their favors, 818 00:34:17,064 --> 00:34:18,824 Speaker 2: or if it didn't work, it was going to tank 819 00:34:18,904 --> 00:34:20,664 Speaker 2: the whole company. And then it worked. 820 00:34:20,704 --> 00:34:21,144 Speaker 1: What a risk. 821 00:34:23,824 --> 00:34:26,984 Speaker 2: And now every movie we have is thanks to snow White. 822 00:34:27,344 --> 00:34:29,224 Speaker 2: But because it was such an old movie, obviously it's 823 00:34:29,264 --> 00:34:31,464 Speaker 2: like there's some very old fashioned tropes in it. Although 824 00:34:31,504 --> 00:34:34,024 Speaker 2: I maintained the original is incredible, it's got to watch 825 00:34:34,064 --> 00:34:37,024 Speaker 2: it with the right mindset. Yeah, but the new snow 826 00:34:37,064 --> 00:34:39,584 Speaker 2: White is really great and just just just stays with 827 00:34:39,624 --> 00:34:42,144 Speaker 2: the history of people hating snow White. But I think 828 00:34:42,184 --> 00:34:42,944 Speaker 2: you should go and see it. 829 00:34:43,664 --> 00:34:46,624 Speaker 1: I will. I will. Thank you so much for listening 830 00:34:46,824 --> 00:34:49,864 Speaker 1: to the spill Today. Spillers, we have some very sad 831 00:34:50,024 --> 00:34:53,264 Speaker 1: news today because this is the last episode that our producer, 832 00:34:53,624 --> 00:34:57,424 Speaker 1: Kimberly Bradish is on working with us. Kim, you have 833 00:34:57,544 --> 00:35:01,144 Speaker 1: been an absolute legend to work with. We are actually 834 00:35:01,584 --> 00:35:03,584 Speaker 1: like it's hard to believe, but we have very difficult 835 00:35:03,624 --> 00:35:04,704 Speaker 1: personalities to manage. 836 00:35:04,824 --> 00:35:06,624 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure no one believed that, but yes, 837 00:35:06,704 --> 00:35:08,584 Speaker 2: Kim has done so much to wrangle us and look 838 00:35:08,624 --> 00:35:10,504 Speaker 2: after us, and so much about what you guys love 839 00:35:10,544 --> 00:35:13,664 Speaker 2: about the show, the different episodes that we can watch, 840 00:35:13,704 --> 00:35:16,144 Speaker 2: just being a special. The content we're doing is all 841 00:35:16,224 --> 00:35:18,584 Speaker 2: from Kim, so we're going to miss her so much 842 00:35:18,624 --> 00:35:20,224 Speaker 2: and thanks for making the skill so great. 843 00:35:20,824 --> 00:35:23,744 Speaker 1: It's all about you. We love you, Kim. You're going 844 00:35:23,784 --> 00:35:26,424 Speaker 1: to be absolutely great in your new job. We'll try 845 00:35:26,504 --> 00:35:29,224 Speaker 1: not to sabotage it because we want you back so desperately. 846 00:35:29,744 --> 00:35:32,984 Speaker 1: So The Spill is produced by the lovely Kimberly British 847 00:35:33,024 --> 00:35:35,304 Speaker 1: would sound production by Scott Stronik and we'll be back 848 00:35:35,344 --> 00:35:37,624 Speaker 1: here on your podcast feed at three pm on Monday. 849 00:35:37,904 --> 00:35:38,624 Speaker 1: Bye bye