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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: I'm Claire Murphy.

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Speaker 1: This is Mumma MIA's twice daily news podcast, The Quikie.

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Speaker 1: The Wicked film made its Australian debut last night and

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are really emotional about it.

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Speaker 2: They were there because they loved Wicked and they were

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Speaker 1: Today we're trying to understand the history and heart of

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Speaker 1: the Wicked movie and why so many cinemagoers have found

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Speaker 1: themselves in tears. And today we'll also be getting you

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Speaker 1: across what's been happening in New Zealand recently that saw

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Speaker 1: But first, here's the letters from the Quikie Newsroom, Friday,

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Speaker 1: November twenty two. Donald Trump's controversial pick for Attorney General,

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Speaker 1: Matt Gates, has withdrawn his name from the nomination following

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Speaker 1: scrutiny over a federal sex trafficking investigation he's involved in,

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Speaker 1: casting doubt over his ability to be confirmed to lead

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Speaker 1: the Department of Justice. Matt Gates's decision to step away

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Speaker 1: Senators in an effort to win their support for his confirmation.

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Speaker 1: Gates saying that while the momentum was strong, it's clear

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Speaker 1: his confirmation was unfairly becoming a distraction to the critical

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Speaker 1: work of the Trump Vance transition, saying there's no time

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Speaker 1: to waste on a needlessly protracted Washington scuffle. The decision

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Speaker 1: choices raising eyebrows, including Gates, who was accused this week

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Speaker 1: Department investigation into sex trafficking allegations involving underage girls ended

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Speaker 1: with no charges against him in twenty twenty three. Thousands

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Speaker 1: an issue plaguing the states and territories. A Royal Commission

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Speaker 1: The International Criminal Court has issued arrest warrants for Israeli

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Speaker 1: Smollett's conviction has been overturned. The actor claimed in twenty

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Speaker 1: exchange for Smollett forfeiting his ten thousand dollar bond and

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Speaker 1: Parliament to oppose the controversial Treaty Principal's Bill. The demonstration

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Speaker 1: The Treaty Principal's Bill, introduced by the act Parties David Seymour,

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Speaker 1: seeks to reinterpret the historic Treaty of Waitangi, which established

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Speaker 3: The treaty was signed on February.

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Speaker 1: the Maori people ever ceded sovereignty to the crown Rihanna Tenner,

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Speaker 4: When the treaty was signed in eighteen forty, there were

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Speaker 4: and the English and Mali version of the treaty don't

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Speaker 4: But tinor ranga tita tunga would have been the closest

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Speaker 4: and it's a really special Maldi concept about having self determination,

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Speaker 4: legal arguments of today stem from about what rights Mali

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Speaker 4: of this, if mary were guaranteed tinor rangatita tanga over

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Speaker 4: world did the crown have the right to come into

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Speaker 4: answer is that they didn't have the right. They breached

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Speaker 4: of the treaty. So tenoordungatta tunga was the closest possible

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Speaker 4: tunga as long as I've got my tenord dung azeta tunga.

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Speaker 4: That's sweet ass. But this fundamental difference in meaning is

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Speaker 4: and actually honoring the treaty and upholding the treaty would

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Speaker 1: Hannah Rahiti Mapai spoke to reporters outside after Parliament was

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Speaker 1: hakka joined by many others in the room.

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Speaker 3: This is all that I know wased to be.

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Speaker 4: Mali, and we didn't get the opportunity to challenge the bill.

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Speaker 2: As much as we would have like to.

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Speaker 1: The Maori community, representing about twenty percent of New Zealand's

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Speaker 1: that this bill could further erode the rights of Mari people.

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Speaker 5: When you're accustomed to viledge, equality feels like oppression. That

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Speaker 5: tells us that this is about equality, but we do

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Speaker 6: Maori get unfair and unequal outcomes because of unfair and

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Speaker 6: unequal treatment, which started with the Crown's intentional violent actions

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Speaker 6: to dishonor t thirty to your white tonguing.

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Speaker 1: Despite the bill passing its initial reading, Prime Minister Christopher

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Speaker 1: Luxen has indicated it is unlikely to progress through parliament.

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Speaker 1: The legislation has faced strong opposition across the political spectrum,

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Speaker 1: with critics including former Conservative Prime Minister Jenny Shipley, warning

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Speaker 1: that even introducing the bill risk fracturing national unity.

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Speaker 2: We are what we do.

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Speaker 6: If you vote for this spell, this is who you

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Speaker 6: are and this is how you will be remembered.

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Speaker 1: Two Coming up next, we catch up with Muma MIA's

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Speaker 1: own Laura Brodnick, to find out why so many people

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Speaker 1: are sobbing in the cinema after seeing Wicked. The magical

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Speaker 1: world of Oz has captivated audiences for over a century,

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Speaker 1: but behind the yellow brick.

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Speaker 3: Road lies a complex and sometimes dark.

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Speaker 1: History that spans multiple adaptations and interpretations. L frank Baum's

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Speaker 1: nineteen hundred Children's novel The Wonderful Wizard of Oz first

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Speaker 1: introduced readers to the story of the Wicked and Good

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Speaker 1: Witches and Dorothy's journey from Kansas to munchkin Land and beyond.

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Speaker 1: But the story would really gain a more widespread popularity

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Speaker 1: when MGM adapted it into the now iconic nineteen thirty

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Speaker 2: Repeating We're not in Kansas anymore. How that you mind,

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Speaker 2: pretty dog. There's no place like hole.

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Speaker 1: While the film became a beloved classic, winning Academy Awards

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