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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano.

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Speaker 3: This is Mamma MIA's twice daily news podcast, The Quickie.

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Speaker 3: The inquest into the Bondai Junction stabbing attack has revealed

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Speaker 3: new details about the killer's mental health history.

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Speaker 2: Plus, there are four.

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Speaker 3: Stages to a good relationship, but most of us never

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Speaker 3: make it to the last one before.

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Speaker 2: We get there.

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Speaker 3: He is Claire Murphy with the latest from the Quiki

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Speaker 3: Newsroom for Wednesday, May fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. Kim Kardashian has given evidence at the trial

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Speaker 1: for the men accused of tying her up and robbing

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Speaker 1: her in her Paris apartment in twenty sixteen. Kardashian told

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Speaker 1: and seeing her shot dead, and how that memory would

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Speaker 1: be with her forever. She became emotional recalling how she

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Speaker 1: was bound with zip ties and duct tape before the

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Speaker 1: alleged robbers took millions of dollars worth of her jewelry,

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Speaker 1: including her four million dollar diamond engagement ring that had

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Speaker 1: She explained how she'd pagged her bags and was in

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Speaker 1: She said, the men, who were dressed as police officers,

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Speaker 1: the concierge, who'd been forced to show the men the

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Speaker 1: home to her babies. The alleged robbers then threw her

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Speaker 1: the old who no longer has the capacity to speak,

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Speaker 1: apologizing for the robbery, saying she forgives him, but that

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Speaker 1: that her life was forever changed, explaining how she now

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Speaker 1: Five of the men are facing armed robbery and kidnapping

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Speaker 1: been recovered. An amended bill from Green's MP Amanda Cohen

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Speaker 1: is hoping to end abortion deserts for women across New

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Speaker 1: South Wales. The bill came after it was revealed that

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Speaker 1: while Orange Hospital restricted terminations for non medical reasons, triggering

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Speaker 3: Next new revelations from the Bondai Junction in quest. As

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Speaker 3: the five week inquest into the Bondai Junction tragedy continues,

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Speaker 3: we're learning more about the warning signs that preceded the

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Speaker 3: In another hearing, it was revealed that years before Joel

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Speaker 3: was desperately trying to get him help. In late twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 3: his mother noticed alarming changes in his behavior, including extreme obsessive,

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Speaker 3: joined by mumumas newswriter Eilish Delaney, Eilish, there is a

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Speaker 2: How did all of this come to life?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So their inquest into the bond dijunction stabbing is

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Speaker 3: What are the warning signs? Did Couci's mother notice? What

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Speaker 3: So obviously, when Couchi's mother clocked all this new information,

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Speaker 3: Looking at the inquest more broadly, Eilish, what have we

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Speaker 3: But what about the emergency response when we got those

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Speaker 2: What was happening at Westfield Bondai.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so the in question far has revealed several shortcomings

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Speaker 3: Where does the inquest go from here? Do we have

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Speaker 3: What makes a good relationship? Is it mutual respect, trust,

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Speaker 3: For reference, I asked my colleagues what they think makes

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Speaker 3: a good relationship. This is what they had to say.

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Speaker 2: What makes a good relationship?

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Speaker 5: I would say a mutual love of being a silly billy,

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Speaker 5: be stronger. I think it requires like deep understanding of

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Speaker 5: So being able to have that rift and repair is

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Speaker 2: You've got to be content and happy.

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Speaker 5: With yourself first, and the man should always love the woman.

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Speaker 2: Just a little bit.

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Speaker 4: More communication, say out loud the things that you want

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Speaker 5: It shouldn't be a guessing game.

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Speaker 2: When it comes to a partnership.

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Speaker 3: We often hear about the honeymoon phase or the seven

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Speaker 3: are actually four distinct stages that couples need to progress

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Speaker 2: Stage one is all about admiration.

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Speaker 3: You know that initial attraction when you lock eyes with

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Speaker 3: someone across the room. But here's the catch, it's completely

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that changes your plans at all,

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Speaker 3: but I thought you should know.

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Speaker 5: I love you too, probably not in the same way,

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Speaker 5: but I do.

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Speaker 3: Stage two is where the attraction becomes mutual, the butterflies,

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Speaker 3: the chemistry, that feeling that you found someone special. But

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Speaker 3: Hussey warns this feeling isn't as unique as we think.

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Speaker 3: We can have chemistry with lots of people. Stage three

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Speaker 3: is all about commitment, and we're not just talking about

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Speaker 3: being exclusive.

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Speaker 2: It's about actively choosing to build a life together, aligning on.

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Speaker 3: The big stuff like marriage, kids, and future plans. But

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Speaker 3: it's stage four compatibility that's the real unicorn. This is

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Speaker 3: where you've got the admiration, the chemistry, the commitment, and

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Speaker 3: you actually work well together as a team.

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Speaker 4: I'm just gonna go home from make these worst.

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Speaker 5: You're not going anywhere.

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Speaker 3: We're a team, Hussey says. This final stage is surprisingly rare.

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Speaker 3: Many couples love each other deeply but just simply aren't

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Speaker 3: compatible in ways that matter for long term happiness.

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Speaker 2: And the brutal truth is you've got two choices.

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Speaker 3: Either speak up about what you need or resign yourself

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Speaker 3: to relationship purgatory.

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Speaker 2: What do you think what makes a good relationship?

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Speaker 3: And have you made it to that final, glorious fourth stage,

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Speaker 3: the promised Land in your relationship cycle? Send us a

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Speaker 3: DM at the Quikie on Instagram. Thanks for taking some

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Speaker 3: time to feed your mind with us today.

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Speaker 2: This episode of

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Speaker 3: The Quikie is produced by me Taylor Strano and Claire Murphy.