1 00:00:06,415 --> 00:00:09,135 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:12,295 --> 00:00:15,135 Speaker 2: Feminism in twenty twenty six can feel a bit like 3 00:00:15,215 --> 00:00:19,735 Speaker 2: group chat energy. Some people are fired up, some are exhausted, 4 00:00:19,855 --> 00:00:23,655 Speaker 2: and someone's always selling merch. And with International Women's Day here, 5 00:00:23,775 --> 00:00:27,775 Speaker 2: the chat is only getting louder. Today, comedian Steph Tisdell 6 00:00:27,895 --> 00:00:30,975 Speaker 2: and broadcaster Yumi Steins join us to unpack where the 7 00:00:31,055 --> 00:00:34,695 Speaker 2: movement's at and what it might need next. It's the 8 00:00:34,775 --> 00:00:38,054 Speaker 2: Quickie for Friday, March six. I'm Taylor Strano for a 9 00:00:38,055 --> 00:00:39,534 Speaker 2: look at the latest news headlines. 10 00:00:39,654 --> 00:00:40,614 Speaker 3: Here's Claire Murphy. 11 00:00:40,974 --> 00:00:43,974 Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. Australians with travel plans are being urged not 12 00:00:44,055 --> 00:00:47,014 Speaker 1: to panic cancel their flights amid the escalating conflict in 13 00:00:47,055 --> 00:00:49,974 Speaker 1: the Middle East. Another flight from Dubai has landed in 14 00:00:50,015 --> 00:00:53,855 Speaker 1: Sydney overnight, allowing previously stranded Australians to reunite with their 15 00:00:53,855 --> 00:00:56,815 Speaker 1: loved ones. The first commercial flight to leave the region 16 00:00:56,815 --> 00:00:59,415 Speaker 1: for Australia since the outbreak of the US and Israeli 17 00:00:59,415 --> 00:01:03,575 Speaker 1: conflict with Iran arrived late Wednesday. Prime Minister Anthony Albnizi, 18 00:01:03,654 --> 00:01:06,334 Speaker 1: saying he hoped another two flights from Buyers scheduled to 19 00:01:06,415 --> 00:01:09,574 Speaker 1: leave on the same day would go ahead. Australian Travel 20 00:01:09,575 --> 00:01:13,495 Speaker 1: Industry Association Chief executive Dean Long said the aviation sector 21 00:01:13,655 --> 00:01:17,455 Speaker 1: was adapting, with Eda, had Emirates and some Asian carriers 22 00:01:17,455 --> 00:01:21,135 Speaker 1: operating normally. He urged Australians planning travel in the coming 23 00:01:21,175 --> 00:01:24,215 Speaker 1: weeks and months not to cancel their flights, saying if 24 00:01:24,255 --> 00:01:27,015 Speaker 1: your book to travel shortly via the Middle East, it's 25 00:01:27,095 --> 00:01:29,975 Speaker 1: critical you do not panic cancel, but rather wait for 26 00:01:30,055 --> 00:01:33,255 Speaker 1: your airline to cancel, as otherwise you're raising all of 27 00:01:33,295 --> 00:01:36,615 Speaker 1: your rights of a refund or rebook. The federal government 28 00:01:36,695 --> 00:01:39,615 Speaker 1: has sent military aircraft to the region to assist stranded 29 00:01:39,615 --> 00:01:44,735 Speaker 1: Australian citizens and permanent residents. Donald Trump has demanded he 30 00:01:44,815 --> 00:01:47,695 Speaker 1: be given a role in deciding Iran's next leader, saying 31 00:01:47,735 --> 00:01:51,575 Speaker 1: the Ayatollah Ali Hamani's son was an unacceptable option. In 32 00:01:51,615 --> 00:01:55,015 Speaker 1: an interview with Axiom, mister Trump said they're wasting their time. 33 00:01:55,215 --> 00:01:58,255 Speaker 1: Haminae's son is a lightweight. I have to be involved 34 00:01:58,255 --> 00:02:01,775 Speaker 1: in the appointment, like with Delsi and Venezuela. Trump said 35 00:02:01,815 --> 00:02:04,535 Speaker 1: without a favorable leader in Iran, the US would likely 36 00:02:04,575 --> 00:02:07,695 Speaker 1: return to war with it in five years. Meanwhile, Israel 37 00:02:07,775 --> 00:02:11,095 Speaker 1: has warned people in southern Bayut to leave immediately, causing 38 00:02:11,135 --> 00:02:14,535 Speaker 1: major traffic jams as residents flee. Locals were told to 39 00:02:14,575 --> 00:02:18,415 Speaker 1: save their lives and evacuate their homes immediately. Israeli Finance 40 00:02:18,455 --> 00:02:22,495 Speaker 1: Minister Bezileelsmotrich posting on social media from near the Lebanon border, 41 00:02:22,815 --> 00:02:25,975 Speaker 1: saying that Dahiye, the area told to evacuate, would soon 42 00:02:26,015 --> 00:02:29,535 Speaker 1: resemble parts of Gaza. Blasts have been heard across Dohar, 43 00:02:29,615 --> 00:02:32,655 Speaker 1: as the capital of Qatar, was targeted by Iranian missiles. 44 00:02:32,695 --> 00:02:36,695 Speaker 1: Overnight explosions were also heard in Abha Dhabi. Iran has 45 00:02:36,695 --> 00:02:41,135 Speaker 1: also targeted an oil refinery in Bahrain, while Azerbaijan said 46 00:02:41,175 --> 00:02:45,015 Speaker 1: it was preparing to retaliate after drones struck inside their territory, 47 00:02:45,255 --> 00:02:48,695 Speaker 1: despite Iran denying they came from them. New laws in 48 00:02:48,775 --> 00:02:53,855 Speaker 1: Queensland now specifically outlaws to phrases globalized, the Interafata and 49 00:02:53,935 --> 00:02:56,495 Speaker 1: from the River to the Sea, with the maximum punishment 50 00:02:56,615 --> 00:02:59,695 Speaker 1: up to two years in jail. The phrases are considered 51 00:02:59,735 --> 00:03:03,014 Speaker 1: anti Semitic by some who claim they're designed to intimidate 52 00:03:03,095 --> 00:03:06,215 Speaker 1: Jewish people and are implicated in a series of incidents, 53 00:03:06,255 --> 00:03:09,615 Speaker 1: including the Bondai terror attack on December fourteenth, but The 54 00:03:09,655 --> 00:03:13,015 Speaker 1: meaning of the two phrases is contested by others. While 55 00:03:13,055 --> 00:03:15,895 Speaker 1: some Jewish groups say the sayings urged the destruction of 56 00:03:15,935 --> 00:03:19,975 Speaker 1: the Jewish state, other Jewish organizations maintain the phrases are 57 00:03:20,015 --> 00:03:23,815 Speaker 1: a protest against Israel's role in Gaza specifically, and the 58 00:03:23,855 --> 00:03:27,135 Speaker 1: settler movement in the West Bank. The Queensland government made 59 00:03:27,135 --> 00:03:29,375 Speaker 1: a last minute change to one of the most contentious 60 00:03:29,415 --> 00:03:33,014 Speaker 1: aspects of the legislation. The laws originally giving the Attorney 61 00:03:33,055 --> 00:03:36,775 Speaker 1: General of the day extraordinary powers to ban any expression 62 00:03:36,855 --> 00:03:40,215 Speaker 1: which was considered to incite violence, harm or offense. The 63 00:03:40,335 --> 00:03:43,615 Speaker 1: changes take that individual discretion away from the Attorney General, 64 00:03:43,895 --> 00:03:47,495 Speaker 1: meaning any new phrases or expressions will require further legislation. 65 00:03:48,575 --> 00:03:52,095 Speaker 1: Britney Spears has been arrested in California. The forty four 66 00:03:52,175 --> 00:03:54,455 Speaker 1: year old was picked up for dui driving under the 67 00:03:54,455 --> 00:03:57,855 Speaker 1: influence on Wednesday, March four. Released in the early hours 68 00:03:57,855 --> 00:04:00,735 Speaker 1: of March five. A representative for the singer called it 69 00:04:00,855 --> 00:04:04,815 Speaker 1: an unfortunate incident that is completely inexcusable. They said that 70 00:04:04,815 --> 00:04:07,335 Speaker 1: Britney's gone to take the right steps and comply with 71 00:04:07,375 --> 00:04:09,815 Speaker 1: the law and hopefully this can be the first step 72 00:04:09,815 --> 00:04:12,135 Speaker 1: in a long overdue change that needs to occur in 73 00:04:12,175 --> 00:04:14,535 Speaker 1: her life, saying hopefully she can get the help and 74 00:04:14,575 --> 00:04:17,854 Speaker 1: support she needs during this difficult time. They added that 75 00:04:17,974 --> 00:04:20,135 Speaker 1: her boys are going to spend time with her, referring 76 00:04:20,214 --> 00:04:23,375 Speaker 1: to her sons Sean Preston who's twenty and Jaden James 77 00:04:23,415 --> 00:04:25,895 Speaker 1: who's nineteen, and her loved ones are going to come 78 00:04:25,975 --> 00:04:28,215 Speaker 1: up with an overdue plan needed to set her up 79 00:04:28,215 --> 00:04:31,455 Speaker 1: for success and for well being. TMZ says they've seen 80 00:04:31,495 --> 00:04:34,335 Speaker 1: the arrest record which show she was apprehended on suspicion 81 00:04:34,335 --> 00:04:36,895 Speaker 1: of Dui and that the arrest was listed as a 82 00:04:36,935 --> 00:04:39,935 Speaker 1: site and release with no probation she'll face caught over 83 00:04:39,975 --> 00:04:43,975 Speaker 1: the incident. On May four, the Matildas swap jerseys with 84 00:04:44,095 --> 00:04:46,935 Speaker 1: their Iranian opponents after the Aussies won for nil and 85 00:04:46,975 --> 00:04:49,295 Speaker 1: their Asian Cup clash on the Gold Coast last night. 86 00:04:49,655 --> 00:04:52,975 Speaker 1: The Australian players voiced their support for Iran's football team 87 00:04:53,135 --> 00:04:57,335 Speaker 1: and noted their resilience despite interference from their government. Pre match, 88 00:04:57,415 --> 00:05:00,615 Speaker 1: the players had sung the Iranian national anthem and saluted 89 00:05:00,895 --> 00:05:03,335 Speaker 1: after electing not to do so before the loss to 90 00:05:03,415 --> 00:05:07,055 Speaker 1: South Korea. On Monday night, commentary around the move, saying 91 00:05:07,055 --> 00:05:09,615 Speaker 1: the women may have been told they had to. The 92 00:05:09,655 --> 00:05:12,695 Speaker 1: Iranian team has been dealing with turmoil back home after 93 00:05:12,735 --> 00:05:15,414 Speaker 1: the bombing of their country by the United States in Israel. 94 00:05:15,855 --> 00:05:18,935 Speaker 1: Australian captain Sam Kerr spoke after the win, sharing her 95 00:05:18,975 --> 00:05:22,295 Speaker 1: admiration for the Iranian team, saying we were aware they 96 00:05:22,295 --> 00:05:24,455 Speaker 1: were excited to play us and were staying in the 97 00:05:24,495 --> 00:05:27,055 Speaker 1: same hotel. She said, We obviously have a lot of 98 00:05:27,135 --> 00:05:29,535 Speaker 1: respect for them and we're trying to support and put 99 00:05:29,575 --> 00:05:33,575 Speaker 1: an arm around them. Australia's only medalist from the last 100 00:05:33,615 --> 00:05:36,455 Speaker 1: Paralympics and one of the team's rookies, Ben tud Hope 101 00:05:36,495 --> 00:05:39,735 Speaker 1: and Georgia Guano, will carry the Australian flag tonight's opening 102 00:05:39,775 --> 00:05:43,575 Speaker 1: ceremony of the Milano Cortina Games. Tud Hope will compete 103 00:05:43,575 --> 00:05:46,974 Speaker 1: at his fourth Winter Games. His bronze in para snowboard 104 00:05:47,055 --> 00:05:50,575 Speaker 1: was Australia's only medal at the twenty twenty two Beijing Paralympics. 105 00:05:50,855 --> 00:05:52,975 Speaker 1: The twenty six year old is the first Australian Winter 106 00:05:53,015 --> 00:05:57,495 Speaker 1: Olympian or Paralympian to win fifty World Cup medals. At fourteen, 107 00:05:57,575 --> 00:06:00,455 Speaker 1: he was the youngest competitor from any country at the 108 00:06:00,495 --> 00:06:04,495 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen Winter Paralympics. Ghanno will be making her Paralympic 109 00:06:04,575 --> 00:06:07,935 Speaker 1: debut in para alpine skiing and will have Ethan Jackson 110 00:06:07,975 --> 00:06:10,895 Speaker 1: as her guide. The honor comes eight years after Ghanno, 111 00:06:10,895 --> 00:06:13,614 Speaker 1: who's now twenty three, had to give up hockey because 112 00:06:13,655 --> 00:06:14,815 Speaker 1: of her diminishing vision. 113 00:06:15,335 --> 00:06:23,294 Speaker 2: Thanks Claire Next. Humor meets hard truths about feminism. Every March, 114 00:06:23,375 --> 00:06:26,255 Speaker 2: we get the same split screen. On one side, women 115 00:06:26,295 --> 00:06:29,535 Speaker 2: are still paid less, do more unpaid care, face higher 116 00:06:29,655 --> 00:06:32,414 Speaker 2: rates of violence, and struggle for a seat at the table. 117 00:06:33,135 --> 00:06:35,335 Speaker 2: On the other hand, brand slap a slogan on a 118 00:06:35,335 --> 00:06:38,135 Speaker 2: tote bag, companies throw a lunch, and leaders make big 119 00:06:38,175 --> 00:06:41,375 Speaker 2: speeches about empowerment even when their own boards and pay 120 00:06:41,375 --> 00:06:44,255 Speaker 2: gaps tell a different story. It can leave a lot 121 00:06:44,255 --> 00:06:48,055 Speaker 2: of us feeling like International Women's Day is well trivial. 122 00:06:48,575 --> 00:06:51,815 Speaker 2: So what if instead of just nodding along, we roasted it. 123 00:06:52,215 --> 00:06:55,775 Speaker 2: Comedians Steph Tisdell and broadcaster Umi Steins are leaning into 124 00:06:55,775 --> 00:06:59,695 Speaker 2: something different, using humor to pull apart the contradictions inside 125 00:06:59,735 --> 00:07:03,255 Speaker 2: modern feminism itself, the pressure to do it all the 126 00:07:03,295 --> 00:07:06,495 Speaker 2: way diversity sometimes feels like a bobs to check the 127 00:07:06,615 --> 00:07:09,855 Speaker 2: microacts of resistance that get mocked is all too small. 128 00:07:10,215 --> 00:07:13,295 Speaker 2: They're asking whether laughing at these things might actually be 129 00:07:13,375 --> 00:07:14,415 Speaker 2: a way to name. 130 00:07:14,295 --> 00:07:17,455 Speaker 3: What's broken, and in the process nudge. 131 00:07:17,175 --> 00:07:20,495 Speaker 2: The scales a little closer to level. At the heart 132 00:07:20,495 --> 00:07:23,975 Speaker 2: of this year's IWD theme is a promise. The theme 133 00:07:24,095 --> 00:07:27,735 Speaker 2: itself is balance the scales to ensure every woman and girl, 134 00:07:27,775 --> 00:07:31,135 Speaker 2: regardless of background or identity, should be safe, heard, and 135 00:07:31,255 --> 00:07:34,935 Speaker 2: free to shape their own lives. Grounded in humor, the 136 00:07:35,055 --> 00:07:38,095 Speaker 2: All About Women's Festival comedy roast takes the whole thing, 137 00:07:38,335 --> 00:07:41,415 Speaker 2: the slogans, the pressure, the performative allies, and puts it 138 00:07:41,455 --> 00:07:45,335 Speaker 2: on the grill. So how do erose feminism without burning 139 00:07:45,335 --> 00:07:48,095 Speaker 2: it down? I caught it with Steph and Yumi to 140 00:07:48,175 --> 00:07:52,215 Speaker 2: find out. You may, let's start with you. This is 141 00:07:52,255 --> 00:07:55,335 Speaker 2: the third year of this event. Are we running out 142 00:07:55,375 --> 00:07:57,455 Speaker 2: of things to roast? Or does feminism just. 143 00:07:57,455 --> 00:08:02,055 Speaker 3: Keep giving intowentyh My god, Look, feminism is an active 144 00:08:02,135 --> 00:08:04,615 Speaker 3: beast that we all love and we all look at 145 00:08:04,695 --> 00:08:08,655 Speaker 3: a scants. But the thing about that is that the 146 00:08:09,015 --> 00:08:11,775 Speaker 3: environment around it is constantly changing, and we're having to 147 00:08:11,855 --> 00:08:15,015 Speaker 3: change to match our environment or meet our challenges. 148 00:08:15,495 --> 00:08:17,735 Speaker 2: So where do we see it in twenty twenty six? 149 00:08:17,775 --> 00:08:19,175 Speaker 2: And I mean there's a lot of things going on 150 00:08:19,215 --> 00:08:21,695 Speaker 2: in the world just this week, let alone the last 151 00:08:21,775 --> 00:08:22,415 Speaker 2: twelve months. 152 00:08:22,455 --> 00:08:25,295 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been listening to your podcast, Taylor. It's freaking stressful. Man. 153 00:08:25,375 --> 00:08:27,455 Speaker 2: I do apologize, but it is essential that we give 154 00:08:27,455 --> 00:08:29,695 Speaker 2: people the news. What do you think of feminism in 155 00:08:29,735 --> 00:08:31,815 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six? What are our biggest challenges? Where's the 156 00:08:31,855 --> 00:08:32,694 Speaker 2: state of it currently? 157 00:08:32,855 --> 00:08:35,055 Speaker 3: Look the challenge, I think it's staying alive and keeping 158 00:08:35,095 --> 00:08:39,415 Speaker 3: our planet viable for future generations. So that's pretty massive. 159 00:08:39,655 --> 00:08:42,935 Speaker 3: But I think on a more granular, close to home scale, 160 00:08:43,015 --> 00:08:46,055 Speaker 3: it's about forming community. I really believe in that, and 161 00:08:46,095 --> 00:08:48,135 Speaker 3: I think that's where the solution lies for a lot 162 00:08:48,175 --> 00:08:50,735 Speaker 3: of our woes at the moment. Is like, yes, we 163 00:08:50,815 --> 00:08:54,615 Speaker 3: are run by out of control billionaire gangsters, So what 164 00:08:54,615 --> 00:08:56,735 Speaker 3: can we do to survive in the face of that? 165 00:08:56,815 --> 00:08:59,735 Speaker 3: And for the most part, it is stick together, form coalitions, 166 00:08:59,775 --> 00:09:02,575 Speaker 3: get tough, get angry. I love that Steph. 167 00:09:03,095 --> 00:09:05,975 Speaker 2: Due to cyclone, Alfred, you're actually unable to make the 168 00:09:06,135 --> 00:09:09,295 Speaker 2: roast last year. Yes, do you consider that an act 169 00:09:09,295 --> 00:09:09,934 Speaker 2: of sexism? 170 00:09:10,375 --> 00:09:12,575 Speaker 4: I do, yes, And it was Alfred who stopped me, 171 00:09:12,615 --> 00:09:14,054 Speaker 4: and I think we need to remember that that was 172 00:09:14,815 --> 00:09:18,135 Speaker 4: a man got in the way of me doing good 173 00:09:18,175 --> 00:09:19,415 Speaker 4: things for womenkind? 174 00:09:19,895 --> 00:09:21,655 Speaker 5: And when has that not been the case? Do you 175 00:09:21,695 --> 00:09:22,135 Speaker 5: know what I mean? 176 00:09:22,175 --> 00:09:24,335 Speaker 2: So tell me what's your take on feminism in twenty 177 00:09:24,375 --> 00:09:24,895 Speaker 2: twenty six. 178 00:09:24,975 --> 00:09:27,415 Speaker 4: Then I think that the biggest issue that we have 179 00:09:27,495 --> 00:09:30,255 Speaker 4: in the world right now, apart from the actual the 180 00:09:30,375 --> 00:09:34,015 Speaker 4: major things that we all know, is the weird divisiveness 181 00:09:34,015 --> 00:09:37,535 Speaker 4: that happens as a result of people responding to the 182 00:09:37,575 --> 00:09:41,335 Speaker 4: scary things. And I think people push to their extreme sides, 183 00:09:41,695 --> 00:09:42,934 Speaker 4: and I think we do that as a way to 184 00:09:42,975 --> 00:09:46,135 Speaker 4: get a level of safety. So I think that the 185 00:09:46,495 --> 00:09:51,135 Speaker 4: problem is that the people who maybe were being more 186 00:09:51,295 --> 00:09:54,775 Speaker 4: quiet about their anti feminist rhetoric are now a lot 187 00:09:54,895 --> 00:09:58,655 Speaker 4: louder and also feel a lot more emboldened to speak 188 00:09:58,735 --> 00:10:01,334 Speaker 4: loudly with evil in their spaces. 189 00:10:01,695 --> 00:10:03,415 Speaker 5: And so I think that you're exactly right. You mean 190 00:10:03,495 --> 00:10:05,415 Speaker 5: the solve is community. 191 00:10:05,615 --> 00:10:07,415 Speaker 2: Well, I think that a comedy roast is kind of 192 00:10:07,415 --> 00:10:09,574 Speaker 2: a nice entry point. Like a lot of people will 193 00:10:09,615 --> 00:10:12,855 Speaker 2: be hesitant to laugh at feminism, especially when we spent 194 00:10:12,975 --> 00:10:15,495 Speaker 2: so much time trying to defend and claw back at it. 195 00:10:15,935 --> 00:10:18,015 Speaker 2: So where's the line, Like, when does it go from 196 00:10:18,095 --> 00:10:20,415 Speaker 2: roast to attacking it? The things that you won't touch. 197 00:10:20,655 --> 00:10:23,215 Speaker 4: I've done this event before and I loved it. You know, 198 00:10:23,335 --> 00:10:25,495 Speaker 4: like if you go, okay, I've done a really good 199 00:10:25,575 --> 00:10:29,454 Speaker 4: job of X Y Z, well is good what you 200 00:10:29,535 --> 00:10:30,934 Speaker 4: want to achieve? Or do you want to make sure 201 00:10:30,935 --> 00:10:33,175 Speaker 4: that you're making it better and adaptable? And the best 202 00:10:33,175 --> 00:10:36,615 Speaker 4: way to make it better and adaptable is looking at it, 203 00:10:36,615 --> 00:10:40,015 Speaker 4: pulling it apart, making fun of the bits that really 204 00:10:40,054 --> 00:10:41,455 Speaker 4: probably need some raining in. 205 00:10:41,975 --> 00:10:44,135 Speaker 5: And that's exactly what the roast is for. That's why 206 00:10:44,135 --> 00:10:44,735 Speaker 5: it's so good. 207 00:10:44,935 --> 00:10:45,055 Speaker 3: Yea. 208 00:10:45,375 --> 00:10:47,975 Speaker 2: We've been looking at acts of micro feminism here, and 209 00:10:48,015 --> 00:10:49,455 Speaker 2: it's hard to do that when you work in an 210 00:10:49,495 --> 00:10:51,415 Speaker 2: office full of women because we're all kind of vying 211 00:10:51,415 --> 00:10:54,375 Speaker 2: for the same end goal. But I want to talk 212 00:10:54,375 --> 00:10:57,415 Speaker 2: to you about macro feminism. What do you see as 213 00:10:57,415 --> 00:10:58,775 Speaker 2: an act of macro feminism. 214 00:10:59,015 --> 00:11:00,975 Speaker 3: We had to write a song for work about the 215 00:11:01,175 --> 00:11:03,015 Speaker 3: twelve days of Christmas, you know, on the first day 216 00:11:03,015 --> 00:11:05,255 Speaker 3: of Christmas my true life. But what would you want? 217 00:11:06,054 --> 00:11:08,655 Speaker 3: And I was given seven days of Christmas? So it 218 00:11:08,695 --> 00:11:10,135 Speaker 3: was like, what would you like? And at first I 219 00:11:10,175 --> 00:11:12,335 Speaker 3: was like, I want seven million dollars, and then I 220 00:11:12,375 --> 00:11:14,935 Speaker 3: was like, actually, no, I want seven abortion. Well, I 221 00:11:14,975 --> 00:11:18,015 Speaker 3: want access to seven or seventy if I should so need, 222 00:11:18,054 --> 00:11:21,615 Speaker 3: because there's something very funny and tricky about that word. 223 00:11:21,895 --> 00:11:25,214 Speaker 3: But it is inherently feminist to make birth control available 224 00:11:25,215 --> 00:11:27,335 Speaker 3: to people who need it, to make it free, to 225 00:11:27,415 --> 00:11:31,535 Speaker 3: make it without gatekeepers. And so that felt very like 226 00:11:31,775 --> 00:11:35,775 Speaker 3: subversive but also factual, like this is what I would 227 00:11:35,775 --> 00:11:39,895 Speaker 3: wish for every child, every young woman, and every fertile adult. 228 00:11:40,095 --> 00:11:40,815 Speaker 5: Absolutely. 229 00:11:40,935 --> 00:11:43,095 Speaker 2: I find it so interesting when if we talk about 230 00:11:43,735 --> 00:11:47,454 Speaker 2: feminism or women and women's rights and equality, the things 231 00:11:47,495 --> 00:11:51,535 Speaker 2: that people find so groundbreaking are just quite plain and simple, like, 232 00:11:51,575 --> 00:11:55,455 Speaker 2: for instance, putting like contraceptive pills in the PBS, putting 233 00:11:55,855 --> 00:11:58,415 Speaker 2: menopause medication on the PBS, which I think they did 234 00:11:58,535 --> 00:12:00,175 Speaker 2: they added a new one for the first time in 235 00:12:00,215 --> 00:12:04,095 Speaker 2: twenty years last year, which feels insane. Ye, these things 236 00:12:04,095 --> 00:12:07,015 Speaker 2: don't actually seem like going to explode the world, and 237 00:12:07,095 --> 00:12:09,495 Speaker 2: yet when they come in, we're like, oh my god. 238 00:12:09,815 --> 00:12:10,135 Speaker 3: Wow. 239 00:12:10,975 --> 00:12:13,215 Speaker 2: The other part of that is I love when people 240 00:12:13,215 --> 00:12:15,415 Speaker 2: say to women like, well, how do you do it all? 241 00:12:15,655 --> 00:12:17,735 Speaker 2: How do you have a child and a career and 242 00:12:17,775 --> 00:12:19,375 Speaker 2: all these things? And I think that that's a really 243 00:12:19,375 --> 00:12:20,855 Speaker 2: hard and groundbreaking question. 244 00:12:22,054 --> 00:12:22,295 Speaker 3: Step. 245 00:12:22,415 --> 00:12:24,255 Speaker 2: I want to know from you what do you actually 246 00:12:24,255 --> 00:12:28,215 Speaker 2: think is the hardest question for women right now, because it's. 247 00:12:28,054 --> 00:12:29,375 Speaker 3: Not how do you do it all? Because you just 248 00:12:29,455 --> 00:12:29,775 Speaker 3: do it? 249 00:12:29,855 --> 00:12:31,295 Speaker 5: Yeah, you just you operate in the. 250 00:12:31,255 --> 00:12:32,574 Speaker 3: World where you have to do it all. 251 00:12:32,615 --> 00:12:34,495 Speaker 2: So what should we actually be asking women? 252 00:12:34,855 --> 00:12:36,895 Speaker 4: I think the thing that we should be asking women 253 00:12:36,975 --> 00:12:37,775 Speaker 4: is are you okay? 254 00:12:39,215 --> 00:12:40,295 Speaker 3: All right? You know what I mean? 255 00:12:40,895 --> 00:12:41,934 Speaker 5: You'll go through this as well. 256 00:12:42,015 --> 00:12:46,814 Speaker 4: You mean, like, being a profiled woman is so hard 257 00:12:46,935 --> 00:12:49,335 Speaker 4: because sometimes I feel like I'm not even doing the 258 00:12:49,335 --> 00:12:53,135 Speaker 4: same job as my male peers. You're not, yeah, because 259 00:12:53,175 --> 00:12:56,455 Speaker 4: the amount of hate or the amount of judgment or 260 00:12:56,495 --> 00:12:59,214 Speaker 4: pressure that I think that we are exposed to is 261 00:12:59,375 --> 00:13:02,814 Speaker 4: very different to men. And I think, just are you 262 00:13:02,935 --> 00:13:05,175 Speaker 4: doing all right? Are you making enough time for you? 263 00:13:05,215 --> 00:13:06,095 Speaker 2: Are you doing all right? 264 00:13:06,935 --> 00:13:07,175 Speaker 3: You know? 265 00:13:07,495 --> 00:13:08,695 Speaker 5: Yeah? No I am, I. 266 00:13:08,615 --> 00:13:11,814 Speaker 3: Said, eyes welling with tears, writing furiously, Yeah, Yeah, I'm 267 00:13:11,815 --> 00:13:13,415 Speaker 3: doing great, Taylor. Why are you asking? 268 00:13:14,535 --> 00:13:15,854 Speaker 5: May not look okay? 269 00:13:16,615 --> 00:13:19,375 Speaker 3: Can I answer that too? Because a question I would 270 00:13:19,455 --> 00:13:22,735 Speaker 3: like to be asked regularly, three times a day if possible, 271 00:13:22,855 --> 00:13:24,855 Speaker 3: is how can I help you? What can I do 272 00:13:24,895 --> 00:13:27,095 Speaker 3: to take shit off your plate? Because but you're busy? 273 00:13:27,415 --> 00:13:30,775 Speaker 3: That would be extremely helpful. I feel like we're all 274 00:13:30,815 --> 00:13:34,095 Speaker 3: sort of scrambling for few and fewer resources. It's like 275 00:13:34,215 --> 00:13:37,255 Speaker 3: times are getting leaner for everyone. I don't know many 276 00:13:37,255 --> 00:13:39,175 Speaker 3: people who are like I'm better off now than I 277 00:13:39,215 --> 00:13:41,694 Speaker 3: was five years ago. Sure, most of us. The belt 278 00:13:41,775 --> 00:13:44,015 Speaker 3: is tightening, the screws are screwing down on us. So 279 00:13:44,095 --> 00:13:46,095 Speaker 3: it's about how we can show up for each other. 280 00:13:46,335 --> 00:13:48,775 Speaker 2: This morning, I sat down at my desk and our 281 00:13:48,775 --> 00:13:51,415 Speaker 2: producer Grace, who was through the window. The first thing 282 00:13:51,455 --> 00:13:53,015 Speaker 2: she said to me is, how can I help you tonight? 283 00:13:53,135 --> 00:13:56,055 Speaker 3: Oh my god, stop it give me a job, Grace 284 00:13:56,855 --> 00:13:57,255 Speaker 3: to wish that. 285 00:13:57,335 --> 00:14:00,055 Speaker 2: I replied with, how can I help you? Y? And 286 00:14:00,054 --> 00:14:01,814 Speaker 2: then we've just been ping ponging back and forth of 287 00:14:01,895 --> 00:14:02,775 Speaker 2: like what do you need? 288 00:14:03,415 --> 00:14:04,855 Speaker 3: What do you need? Okay, talk to. 289 00:14:04,855 --> 00:14:07,295 Speaker 2: Me a little bit more of at this event, Steph like, 290 00:14:07,335 --> 00:14:10,575 Speaker 2: what's the point Why do we do a comedy roast 291 00:14:10,655 --> 00:14:12,135 Speaker 2: around International Midnsday? 292 00:14:12,215 --> 00:14:14,295 Speaker 3: Who's it for? What's the aim? 293 00:14:14,775 --> 00:14:16,375 Speaker 5: I mean, you've got to make people laugh. 294 00:14:16,415 --> 00:14:19,455 Speaker 4: People need to be laughing, and it is inherently I mean, 295 00:14:19,535 --> 00:14:20,815 Speaker 4: at its core, it's funny. 296 00:14:20,935 --> 00:14:23,375 Speaker 5: I also think it's really educational. 297 00:14:23,495 --> 00:14:26,655 Speaker 4: I had a chat with my auntie just a couple 298 00:14:26,695 --> 00:14:28,935 Speaker 4: of weeks ago and she must be in her seventies, 299 00:14:29,415 --> 00:14:31,855 Speaker 4: and she was saying to me, Oh, when I remember 300 00:14:31,895 --> 00:14:35,975 Speaker 4: when I was growing up, I was really embarrassed about, 301 00:14:36,215 --> 00:14:39,135 Speaker 4: you know, the burning the Bras movement was happening while 302 00:14:39,175 --> 00:14:41,335 Speaker 4: I was young, and she was like, I was embarrassed, 303 00:14:41,415 --> 00:14:43,495 Speaker 4: and shut up, you're making it hard for all of us, 304 00:14:43,535 --> 00:14:46,455 Speaker 4: you know, Like and she said, but now I go, God, 305 00:14:46,495 --> 00:14:48,495 Speaker 4: I'm so grateful for all of that, and every time 306 00:14:48,495 --> 00:14:52,455 Speaker 4: that we get opportunities to be in to speak and 307 00:14:52,535 --> 00:14:55,735 Speaker 4: to kind of I think there's power in going, Okay, 308 00:14:56,335 --> 00:15:00,175 Speaker 4: this movement isn't perfect, and you need to kind of 309 00:15:00,215 --> 00:15:00,855 Speaker 4: say that as well. 310 00:15:00,855 --> 00:15:03,055 Speaker 5: That empowers the movement more. Right, this is going. 311 00:15:03,335 --> 00:15:05,935 Speaker 4: I don't believe that this is the final product, or isn't. 312 00:15:06,175 --> 00:15:09,415 Speaker 4: It's not without flaws. That's kind of the whole point 313 00:15:09,535 --> 00:15:13,895 Speaker 4: is you go, we are also able to fine tune 314 00:15:13,935 --> 00:15:16,775 Speaker 4: and to make things better, and that's exciting for people 315 00:15:16,855 --> 00:15:18,815 Speaker 4: like my auntie, who was like, I just wish that 316 00:15:18,895 --> 00:15:21,935 Speaker 4: I had a known that just because it was hard 317 00:15:22,215 --> 00:15:24,695 Speaker 4: for us didn't mean it was doing good things. 318 00:15:25,135 --> 00:15:27,095 Speaker 5: And then going and there's still things that we can 319 00:15:27,135 --> 00:15:27,775 Speaker 5: do to change it. 320 00:15:28,095 --> 00:15:30,255 Speaker 4: Jermaine Greer, I mean, sure, you know what I mean 321 00:15:30,335 --> 00:15:33,375 Speaker 4: like kind of we've learnt a lot about her as 322 00:15:33,455 --> 00:15:35,575 Speaker 4: things have gone on, and you kind of go, yeah, 323 00:15:35,615 --> 00:15:38,895 Speaker 4: we do need to be looking at the sides of 324 00:15:38,895 --> 00:15:39,175 Speaker 4: it all. 325 00:15:39,375 --> 00:15:42,415 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you mean I kind of attached the 326 00:15:42,535 --> 00:15:45,055 Speaker 2: concept of the movement of feminism to that wonderful Bren 327 00:15:45,255 --> 00:15:48,935 Speaker 2: Brown quoit, which is imperfect people leading imperfect people, and 328 00:15:48,935 --> 00:15:50,695 Speaker 2: that kind of a thing is almost a bit similar 329 00:15:50,695 --> 00:15:52,415 Speaker 2: to what you were just saying there, stuff like. 330 00:15:53,055 --> 00:15:55,375 Speaker 5: Sinc way that I was saying talking. Sorry, I like 331 00:15:55,455 --> 00:15:55,895 Speaker 5: the story. 332 00:15:56,935 --> 00:15:59,095 Speaker 3: I'm here for the stories. The minute we start aiming 333 00:15:59,135 --> 00:16:02,455 Speaker 3: for perfection, we're going to be screwed. We need to 334 00:16:02,615 --> 00:16:05,975 Speaker 3: have like some gives, some bounce in the boundaries of 335 00:16:06,015 --> 00:16:07,295 Speaker 3: what we're trying to achieve. 336 00:16:07,295 --> 00:16:09,095 Speaker 5: And a laugh. Yeah. Absolutely. 337 00:16:10,695 --> 00:16:12,695 Speaker 2: I hope you win the show with asking everyone if 338 00:16:12,735 --> 00:16:14,495 Speaker 2: they're okay and what they would need help with. 339 00:16:14,655 --> 00:16:16,135 Speaker 3: And if they had like a strong cup of tea, 340 00:16:16,215 --> 00:16:18,495 Speaker 3: they'd like a strong cup of tea and a cuddle 341 00:16:18,575 --> 00:16:19,135 Speaker 3: and a cuddle. 342 00:16:19,175 --> 00:16:19,815 Speaker 2: Thank you very. 343 00:16:19,775 --> 00:16:21,135 Speaker 4: Much, thank you, thank you. 344 00:16:22,175 --> 00:16:24,175 Speaker 2: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with 345 00:16:24,255 --> 00:16:26,135 Speaker 2: us today. Hey be for your head off. 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