WEBVTT - Kim Kardashian Is In Her Flop Era 0:00:08.193 --> 0:00:12.914 You're listening to a Mom and mea podcast. 0:00:16.034 --> 0:00:18.354 Welcome to Mama out Loud. What women are actually talking 0:00:18.393 --> 0:00:21.714 about on Monday, the tenth of November. I am Jesse Stevens, 0:00:21.834 --> 0:00:25.514 I am Amelia Lester, I'm Claire Murphy. And I don't 0:00:25.514 --> 0:00:27.474 know if you know this, guys, but there's this actress 0:00:27.634 --> 0:00:30.594 who's been really doing a great job on not a 0:00:30.594 --> 0:00:35.114 great job at all acasm called Kim Kardashian. You might 0:00:35.114 --> 0:00:35.834 be across her. 0:00:36.314 --> 0:00:39.434 She's not been doing so well this week. She'd have 0:00:39.513 --> 0:00:40.993 it a bit of a rough time. I think she 0:00:41.233 --> 0:00:45.193 might have just hit failure era. And so I would 0:00:45.273 --> 0:00:47.793 like to just have a moment with you all to 0:00:47.833 --> 0:00:50.353 discuss how a multi up presuming she's a billionaire now 0:00:50.473 --> 0:00:53.754 multimillion billionaire, whatever she is, woman who has a thousand 0:00:53.794 --> 0:00:54.994 businesses is now failing? 0:00:55.474 --> 0:01:00.114 Can you be friends with people who believe very different 0:01:00.154 --> 0:01:00.714 things from you? 0:01:00.794 --> 0:01:01.354 Politically? 0:01:01.834 --> 0:01:06.354 I want to talk about Jennifer Lawrence's answer to that question. 0:01:06.674 --> 0:01:12.194 And did women ruin the workplace? Allegedly they did? I 0:01:12.274 --> 0:01:15.234 knew that we've done, say exactly exactly, in which case 0:01:15.274 --> 0:01:16.754 my question is can we all go home now? 0:01:16.834 --> 0:01:18.953 Yeah? I was feeling guilty at three am the other morning. 0:01:19.034 --> 0:01:22.354 That must have been in first of though. Friends. In 0:01:22.354 --> 0:01:25.354 case you missed it, the VIC government announced their big 0:01:25.474 --> 0:01:29.114 Women's pain report from their inquiry yesterday. I don't know 0:01:29.114 --> 0:01:32.554 if you heard. They announced this pilot initiative to give 0:01:32.594 --> 0:01:36.514 women getting their IUDs inserted the green whistle. And first 0:01:36.554 --> 0:01:37.994 of all, we need to establish who here has had 0:01:37.994 --> 0:01:40.874 a green whistle experience. Jesse Emelia, I don't know what 0:01:40.954 --> 0:01:41.314 that is. 0:01:41.554 --> 0:01:45.474 Oh my goodness, I'm obsessed with green whistles because I desperately. 0:01:45.154 --> 0:01:46.594 Do you have one? When you broke you? Let no. 0:01:46.914 --> 0:01:49.314 I was at the top of a mountain and there 0:01:49.354 --> 0:01:51.354 was a little like lock box where they keep the 0:01:51.394 --> 0:01:54.114 green whistle, and when they looked in there, it hadn't 0:01:54.154 --> 0:01:56.714 been replaced from last time. And in fact, in the 0:01:56.754 --> 0:02:00.194 whole town there was no green whistle. It just didn't exist. 0:02:00.274 --> 0:02:03.114 And so I thought about that green whistle for about 0:02:03.154 --> 0:02:04.154 eight straight hours. 0:02:04.434 --> 0:02:05.954 Okay, well, let me tell you it was the only 0:02:05.994 --> 0:02:07.874 one in the room who's had a green whil experience. 0:02:08.353 --> 0:02:11.114 That it is one of those things. I don't know 0:02:11.114 --> 0:02:13.714 what drug it is, actually, but it's something that's given 0:02:13.714 --> 0:02:15.354 to you in the moment. We have had like an 0:02:15.394 --> 0:02:17.754 extreme pain incident broke your leg. For me, it was 0:02:17.794 --> 0:02:20.913 I snapped my cruci at tendon. It's so that say, 0:02:20.914 --> 0:02:23.594 paramedics can help you deal with the pain whilst they 0:02:23.754 --> 0:02:27.674 transfer you to hospital. So it's short acting, it's very effective, 0:02:27.674 --> 0:02:30.074 so it kicks in really quickly, and I'm not sure 0:02:30.114 --> 0:02:32.514 if it's actually helping with the pain or just your 0:02:32.554 --> 0:02:35.754 brain is now having super super fun and is distracted 0:02:35.834 --> 0:02:38.394 and doesn't care about the pain anymore. Because I went 0:02:38.394 --> 0:02:41.434 from like howling and crying to being like, oh, that's 0:02:41.514 --> 0:02:44.394 a pretty cartoon on the ceiling of the cubicle that 0:02:44.434 --> 0:02:46.914 they landed me in at the hospital. So it's really 0:02:46.954 --> 0:02:48.554 short acting and very effective. 0:02:48.674 --> 0:02:52.274 So it's like a preloaded it's got drugs in a whistle. 0:02:51.954 --> 0:02:53.874 And you just kind of like breathe it in. And 0:02:53.914 --> 0:02:57.434 so it's always like sideline of kids sports, that kind 0:02:57.434 --> 0:02:59.234 of stuff. And I thought when I read this headline, 0:02:59.274 --> 0:03:02.554 I was like, this is genius, because I've interviewed women 0:03:02.674 --> 0:03:05.634 in the past who have said that they got NIUD 0:03:05.754 --> 0:03:08.794 inserted and it was turn out of ten pain. They 0:03:09.034 --> 0:03:11.474 fainted on the train on the way home. Others say 0:03:11.714 --> 0:03:14.714 it was absolutely fine. But the fact that that hasn't 0:03:14.794 --> 0:03:18.874 been part of the process or something that you're off it. 0:03:18.994 --> 0:03:20.954 I've even thought it with I remember the most painful 0:03:20.994 --> 0:03:25.074 part of my labor was the stretcher sweep thing that 0:03:25.114 --> 0:03:26.554 they did, and I was like, can I have a 0:03:26.554 --> 0:03:28.274 green whistle for that? Maybe not, I don't know. It 0:03:28.354 --> 0:03:30.314 might not be good for the baby. But the fact 0:03:30.394 --> 0:03:34.954 that pain relief isn't at the forefront of the practitioner's 0:03:34.994 --> 0:03:38.394 mind when you are going inside someone to a very 0:03:38.434 --> 0:03:41.594 tender area. I think this is very exciting progress. 0:03:42.914 --> 0:03:46.394 Have either of you watched a single episode of All's 0:03:46.554 --> 0:03:47.154 Fair yet? 0:03:47.674 --> 0:03:48.074 Nope? 0:03:48.314 --> 0:03:51.594 No, I have not, But I must say I'm finding 0:03:51.634 --> 0:03:55.754 the reviews very tantalizing. And the more I read, the 0:03:55.754 --> 0:03:58.594 more zero stars I see, the more I'm leaning. 0:03:58.474 --> 0:04:02.354 Oh, guys, you're in for a treat. It is obviously 0:04:02.474 --> 0:04:05.434 Kim Kardashian's lady feature into acting. She's done a few 0:04:05.434 --> 0:04:07.674 gigs before, but this is her latest. It is not 0:04:07.754 --> 0:04:11.554 getting the reviews that we'd perhaps thought when this idea 0:04:11.714 --> 0:04:15.514 was being formed. But maybe it's a little more strategic 0:04:15.594 --> 0:04:19.514 than we thought. But Kim's flop era, we believe may 0:04:19.553 --> 0:04:21.914 have just arrived because she's not just failing where it 0:04:21.954 --> 0:04:25.073 comes to this particular venture. She's also failed in her 0:04:25.154 --> 0:04:28.353 legal career this week as well, so we think maybe 0:04:28.393 --> 0:04:30.433 she's starting to learn a few lessons on this new 0:04:30.513 --> 0:04:35.993 pathway to failure. I am a great connoisseur of terrible things. 0:04:36.154 --> 0:04:39.313 So if someone tells me that something has a bad review, 0:04:39.594 --> 0:04:41.954 I will often like it. And I think it's because 0:04:41.993 --> 0:04:44.433 I have very low brow taste buds, Like I just 0:04:44.474 --> 0:04:47.313 go into these things purely for entertainment value. And so 0:04:47.433 --> 0:04:49.753 this if you are not across All's fair. This is 0:04:49.834 --> 0:04:53.193 the new Ryan Murphy drama. It's about a women only 0:04:53.354 --> 0:04:58.833 divorce lawyers firm, which stars Kim Kardashian, Naomi Watts, Nissi Nash. 0:04:58.953 --> 0:05:01.633 They're like your core three divorce lawyers who've come from 0:05:01.633 --> 0:05:04.593 like this past of you know, middle aged white man 0:05:04.674 --> 0:05:07.434 law firms where they're overlooked and undervalued, and so they 0:05:07.474 --> 0:05:10.674 come out as these powerful women and they drop these 0:05:10.714 --> 0:05:16.594 one liners which are awful, and they deal with cheating 0:05:16.753 --> 0:05:20.753 husbands and controlling men, and like they get the best 0:05:20.794 --> 0:05:23.753 for these women their clients that have you know, been 0:05:23.873 --> 0:05:26.394 very poorly treated. And I can tell you now I'm 0:05:26.433 --> 0:05:30.714 three episodes in the acting is like beyond terrible. I 0:05:30.873 --> 0:05:31.594 don't know. 0:05:31.674 --> 0:05:34.753 Why Naomi Watts and Sarah Paulson, who's also in it 0:05:34.794 --> 0:05:37.073 and has kind of write like Ryan Murphy's News, and 0:05:37.193 --> 0:05:37.833 Glenn Close. 0:05:38.313 --> 0:05:39.993 How can the oh my god, Glenn Close? 0:05:40.073 --> 0:05:40.273 Yeah? 0:05:40.274 --> 0:05:43.474 How can these people be acting badly? They're very good actors. 0:05:43.993 --> 0:05:45.873 It has got to be in the writing. And I 0:05:45.953 --> 0:05:47.553 was trying to find it. Who was in the writer's 0:05:47.633 --> 0:05:49.433 room for this, And as far as I can tell, 0:05:49.433 --> 0:05:53.193 there's not a single woman on the writing style so 0:05:53.674 --> 0:05:55.714 interesting take. I mean, if there is and I've missed it, 0:05:55.794 --> 0:05:57.714 I apologized, But as far as I can tell, there 0:05:57.753 --> 0:06:00.713 was not many women writing this, And so the way 0:06:00.794 --> 0:06:03.313 in which these women have come together, like the friendship 0:06:03.354 --> 0:06:05.713 that's supposed to be like the all encompassing part of 0:06:05.753 --> 0:06:09.034 the backstory of them, feels very forced and uncomfortable. They're 0:06:09.034 --> 0:06:11.354 delivering these one liners like they should have impact, but 0:06:11.393 --> 0:06:14.153 they just seem kind of funny. But the big part 0:06:14.193 --> 0:06:18.274 of it, I think is just it is bougie and classless, 0:06:18.393 --> 0:06:21.794 and there is designer threads and loads of bling and 0:06:21.834 --> 0:06:24.234 it just taps into that part of my brain that 0:06:24.393 --> 0:06:27.393 just loves and it's like going on a roller coaster 0:06:27.594 --> 0:06:30.234 at you know movie world, like you know it's going 0:06:30.274 --> 0:06:31.873 to be awful, bit at the same time, like you're 0:06:31.873 --> 0:06:33.914 adrenaline is pumping and you really love it. Like that's 0:06:33.953 --> 0:06:36.594 all I can say is keeping me coming back because 0:06:36.633 --> 0:06:38.313 the flash in the Glitz is everything. 0:06:38.553 --> 0:06:40.833 What I can't work out is that Kim Kardashian is 0:06:41.034 --> 0:06:46.794 known for her blankness right like, even she is expressionless. 0:06:47.154 --> 0:06:50.234 Her face doesn't really move, she doesn't have any pause, 0:06:50.914 --> 0:06:54.474 she doesn't emote at all. So the pivot into acting 0:06:54.594 --> 0:06:57.113 is a very interesting one for me. But I wanted 0:06:57.113 --> 0:06:59.633 to ask you, Claire. I read this incredible review in 0:06:59.674 --> 0:07:01.474 The Atlantic, and I want to read you a line 0:07:01.513 --> 0:07:02.873 and then I want you to tell me if this 0:07:03.034 --> 0:07:05.153 was your experience of watching it, because I think that 0:07:05.193 --> 0:07:09.154 this also might signify a broad a cultural shift towards 0:07:09.674 --> 0:07:13.994 a very dire place. The author, who is Sophie Gilbert, wrote, 0:07:14.274 --> 0:07:17.514 I can't call it a television show because it isn't one. Rather, 0:07:17.594 --> 0:07:21.554 it's Instagram reels. At episode length, forty five minute collections 0:07:21.594 --> 0:07:25.634 of bedazzled moving images targeted at the idly scrolling second 0:07:25.674 --> 0:07:28.754 screen viewer seems pass quickly, as if to emulate the 0:07:28.794 --> 0:07:31.874 true feed experience. If you're not already on your phone, 0:07:31.914 --> 0:07:32.794 you may as well be. 0:07:33.234 --> 0:07:35.514 Yeah, that seems pretty accurate, to be honest. 0:07:36.274 --> 0:07:39.274 I did see one still from it which was Kim 0:07:39.393 --> 0:07:42.874 wearing a sort of tweed skirt with a believe it's 0:07:42.914 --> 0:07:47.114 called a whale tail, a visible G string poking. 0:07:46.714 --> 0:07:47.434 Out the back. 0:07:47.794 --> 0:07:50.034 I mean, look, I'm not a lawyer, but is that 0:07:50.354 --> 0:07:52.033 to actually wear that to court? 0:07:52.434 --> 0:07:55.594 This show, well, let me just prefers. I'm three episodes 0:07:55.594 --> 0:07:57.554 in and they have yet to go to court. This 0:07:57.594 --> 0:08:00.554 is all boardroom experiences at this point. So this is 0:08:00.634 --> 0:08:03.834 like husband and wife sitting down across the table, very combative, 0:08:04.194 --> 0:08:06.153 like they often come in with a bunch of men 0:08:06.194 --> 0:08:08.474 and they sit down and they say things like oh, 0:08:08.874 --> 0:08:11.713 all the ladies together, like that kind of vibe, and 0:08:11.714 --> 0:08:13.554 then the ladies are like and we are going to 0:08:13.634 --> 0:08:16.394 destroy you, and you're like, yes, girl, go get them. 0:08:16.434 --> 0:08:18.914 And then they deliver these like terrible lines and you're 0:08:18.953 --> 0:08:22.274 like cool, you still want like are really happy for 0:08:22.314 --> 0:08:26.114 your client, but like these storylines are wrapped up in milliseconds. 0:08:26.154 --> 0:08:29.033 You barely get to know the clients. Like Jessica Simpson 0:08:29.114 --> 0:08:33.754 is a client and her role is like exceptional, like exceptional. 0:08:33.154 --> 0:08:36.234 What do you mean by exceptional like she's a great actor. 0:08:36.634 --> 0:08:38.714 No, no, no, nothing to do with her acting experience. 0:08:38.994 --> 0:08:40.634 It is the fact that they brought her in to 0:08:40.714 --> 0:08:42.954 play the character that they have and it kind of 0:08:42.994 --> 0:08:47.714 plays very much into her real life plastic surgery experiences. 0:08:48.114 --> 0:08:50.154 It's just great. And also Glenn Close, like, you cannot 0:08:50.154 --> 0:08:52.554 fault this woman. She's incredible. And she delivers a line 0:08:52.594 --> 0:08:55.074 to Sarah Paulson's character where she says, like the world 0:08:55.074 --> 0:08:57.354 would be so much happier if your mother just swallowed 0:08:57.554 --> 0:09:01.514 And that coming out of Len Close's mouth is like, whoa, 0:09:01.554 --> 0:09:06.514 it's camp and it's terrible, Like it's just awful, awful, terrible. 0:09:06.554 --> 0:09:09.594 But this is from Kim Kardashian American Horror Story because 0:09:09.594 --> 0:09:11.634 she got Rave reviews for that, all right. 0:09:11.634 --> 0:09:14.994 Because I have two theories as to why this has happened, 0:09:14.994 --> 0:09:17.954 because I don't believe in twenty twenty five we are accidentally, 0:09:18.154 --> 0:09:22.154 especially with Ryan Murphy who created Glee, like he is 0:09:22.434 --> 0:09:25.954 a very incredible creator who knows what he's doing, I 0:09:25.994 --> 0:09:29.154 don't believe that this happened by accident. Right, So the 0:09:29.194 --> 0:09:31.954 first theory is one I've seen going around on substack, 0:09:32.114 --> 0:09:36.713 which is Basically, the zero percent rating on Rotten Tomatoes 0:09:36.914 --> 0:09:40.034 is a plant, and it's there on purpose because there 0:09:40.114 --> 0:09:42.594 is nothing that makes you want to watch a show 0:09:42.674 --> 0:09:46.314 more than the thought is it really that bad? Like 0:09:46.794 --> 0:09:48.714 I want to go and prove for myself that this 0:09:48.914 --> 0:09:51.514 is the worst show ever, And that's been part of 0:09:51.554 --> 0:09:56.834 the attraction, and early indications suggests that people are flocking. 0:09:57.394 --> 0:10:02.874 The second thing is that there are seventeen executive producers 0:10:02.874 --> 0:10:06.554 on this show. They're used to it's wild, right, including 0:10:06.554 --> 0:10:09.354 pretty much all of the actors. So you've got what's 0:10:09.514 --> 0:10:13.234 is one? I think Kardashian is one, Paulhan is one, 0:10:13.674 --> 0:10:17.154 And what that means is like decades ago, you'd have 0:10:17.194 --> 0:10:19.794 three or four, So the room of people making decisions 0:10:19.834 --> 0:10:20.674 is quite small. 0:10:20.954 --> 0:10:21.114 Now. 0:10:21.154 --> 0:10:24.074 It's like this flex that every actor sort of wants 0:10:24.114 --> 0:10:27.834 to be an EP as well. And I think we're 0:10:27.874 --> 0:10:31.434 starting to create these vanilla Frankenstein's like where we've got 0:10:31.474 --> 0:10:36.034 too much input that it then just dilutes an idea 0:10:36.234 --> 0:10:40.234 and becomes absolute garbage the next show you're watching. Have 0:10:40.314 --> 0:10:44.474 a look at how many people had creative input, and 0:10:44.514 --> 0:10:47.994 there is a threshold at which there is just too much, 0:10:48.034 --> 0:10:50.554 Like did Kim Kardashian need a seat at the table 0:10:51.114 --> 0:10:51.514 like that. 0:10:51.634 --> 0:10:53.634 I think you're onto something there because and just like 0:10:53.674 --> 0:10:57.274 that had the same issue. It did too the actors 0:10:57.314 --> 0:11:00.874 were executive producers and Rotten Tomatos. For some time now, 0:11:00.914 --> 0:11:03.434 people have been talking about the fact that because it's 0:11:03.514 --> 0:11:06.754 so important, it is getting gained. Yeah, and I don't 0:11:06.754 --> 0:11:09.154 know if you remember this, but about a year ago 0:11:09.394 --> 0:11:12.474 it came out that Paddington iiO had the highest Rotten 0:11:12.474 --> 0:11:16.514 Tomatoes rating of any movie ever, higher than Citizen Kane, 0:11:16.514 --> 0:11:20.634 which is often regarded as the cinematic masterpiece of the 0:11:20.674 --> 0:11:23.714 twentieth century. And you just got to wonder about any 0:11:23.834 --> 0:11:25.994 rating system. I mean, look, I think Paddington Too is 0:11:26.034 --> 0:11:29.074 delightful and Hugh Grant is as usual stealing the show. 0:11:29.194 --> 0:11:31.674 But I just wonder if Paddington two really is the 0:11:31.714 --> 0:11:32.794 best movie of all time. 0:11:33.034 --> 0:11:35.314 So, as I mentioned, well, this is Kim's big fail 0:11:35.434 --> 0:11:39.794 of the moment, but just quietly she failed again this 0:11:39.874 --> 0:11:44.474 week because she didn't pass the bar. And anyone who's 0:11:44.474 --> 0:11:46.794 been watching the Kardashians nose that, like this has been 0:11:46.834 --> 0:11:49.194 a big theme throughout all of the seasons, and she's 0:11:49.234 --> 0:11:52.074 been studying very hard, and she's been working advocating for 0:11:52.154 --> 0:11:56.034 people in prison, and she failed the bar. So this 0:11:56.114 --> 0:11:59.314 feels like Kim Kardashian is failing. In her personal life. 0:11:59.434 --> 0:12:01.994 She's failing. I mean, she can't control the men that 0:12:02.074 --> 0:12:03.914 come into her sphere, so I guess that's out of 0:12:03.914 --> 0:12:06.634 her control. But career wise, like her actual career as 0:12:06.634 --> 0:12:10.394 a lawyer is failing. Her alternate career as an actress, 0:12:10.754 --> 0:12:15.314 she is failing. Are we now witnessing Kim Kardashian's flop era? 0:12:15.434 --> 0:12:17.474 And what can she learn from all of this? We think? 0:12:17.474 --> 0:12:19.874 I mean, she's fine. I love this for her. 0:12:19.994 --> 0:12:23.394 I think this is why she is still just as 0:12:23.434 --> 0:12:26.914 relevant today as she was ten years ago, fifteen years ago. 0:12:26.954 --> 0:12:31.154 It's because she is willing to keep reinventing herself and 0:12:31.314 --> 0:12:34.674 taking risks, and she's failed lots of times. Like I'm 0:12:34.674 --> 0:12:37.634 thinking back to her skincare line that she tried to 0:12:37.714 --> 0:12:39.754 launch a couple of times that never took off, and 0:12:39.834 --> 0:12:42.794 it should have. Skims took off because she got really 0:12:42.834 --> 0:12:45.394 smart people around her and she knew exactly what moment 0:12:45.474 --> 0:12:48.474 she was in. But I love her failing the California Bar. 0:12:48.634 --> 0:12:50.994 Isn't this the second or third time that she's failed? 0:12:51.034 --> 0:12:53.314 At this point, I don't know which bar she's failed, 0:12:53.314 --> 0:12:56.314 becausemember she failed the baby bar last time, and whether 0:12:56.354 --> 0:12:58.554 this is the full fledged one or a retake of 0:12:58.554 --> 0:13:00.834 the baby bar, I'm not sure, but yeah, she has. 0:13:00.754 --> 0:13:03.274 Failed before, so I believe that she has now passed 0:13:03.274 --> 0:13:05.354 the baby bar, but that it was the last time 0:13:05.434 --> 0:13:08.194 she could possibly do it the time that she passed, 0:13:08.194 --> 0:13:10.314 and then she studied really hard with this. She did 0:13:10.314 --> 0:13:12.754 say she relied heavily on chat GPT and she has 0:13:12.794 --> 0:13:15.714 some firm words for chat GPT. She says that sometimes 0:13:15.754 --> 0:13:18.754 it's more like a go girl, believe in yourself, and 0:13:18.754 --> 0:13:21.714 she's like, I just need the answer, which yes, I agree, 0:13:21.994 --> 0:13:24.674 But I think she has entered her flop era. Kim 0:13:24.754 --> 0:13:28.314 Kardashian is nothing if not self aware, and that is 0:13:28.314 --> 0:13:31.874 her superpower. So even her caption on Instagram about the 0:13:31.874 --> 0:13:35.514 All Fairs All's Fair thing, which was like, have you 0:13:35.554 --> 0:13:39.194 guys watched the critically acclaimed All's Fair yet? Like she 0:13:39.434 --> 0:13:43.354 thought that was funny that it was bad and she 0:13:43.554 --> 0:13:45.874 posted about failing. She didn't have to post that she 0:13:45.954 --> 0:13:50.314 failed that exam. But I mean, we all enter flop eras, 0:13:50.634 --> 0:13:53.274 we've got to own them. There is humor in them, 0:13:53.634 --> 0:13:55.593 and all power to Kim Kardashian. 0:13:55.834 --> 0:13:58.274 I think this is amazing because I've had these conversations 0:13:58.274 --> 0:14:00.874 with my daughter very recently, because when I pick her 0:14:00.914 --> 0:14:02.554 up from school, I'd ask her about, you know, tell 0:14:02.594 --> 0:14:04.674 me one thing that happened today, what did you succeed 0:14:04.714 --> 0:14:06.833 at today? And We've had these kind of conversations, and 0:14:06.874 --> 0:14:09.074 then one day I just asked her, did you fail 0:14:09.114 --> 0:14:12.554 at anything today? And she was like, oh, I don't know. 0:14:12.714 --> 0:14:14.634 I don't want to think about that. And then I 0:14:14.674 --> 0:14:16.554 was like, but we learn from that, Like if you 0:14:16.594 --> 0:14:19.314 fail at something, you learn some really big lessons from failing. 0:14:19.354 --> 0:14:22.114 And she was like, oh, And now we have conversations 0:14:22.154 --> 0:14:25.154 about successes and failures, so that as she grows up, 0:14:25.154 --> 0:14:26.874 she's going to be like, Okay, what did I learn 0:14:26.954 --> 0:14:29.074 from that fail rather than oh my god, I failed. 0:14:29.114 --> 0:14:31.394 I'm the worst human in the world, and now I 0:14:31.394 --> 0:14:33.474 can never do that again because I've failed at it 0:14:33.514 --> 0:14:36.434 and I must be terrible. I love talking about failure, 0:14:36.634 --> 0:14:38.154 and I'm like you, Amelia. I think this is a 0:14:38.194 --> 0:14:40.914 really great moment for her because she's embracing it, she 0:14:40.994 --> 0:14:44.074 learns from it, she keeps moving forward, she keeps trying, 0:14:44.314 --> 0:14:46.554 she does things that gets her out of her comfort zone. 0:14:46.714 --> 0:14:50.314 She does something new and different and incredible, and then sure, 0:14:50.394 --> 0:14:52.994 sometimes it succeeds and sometimes it fails. But she's not 0:14:53.154 --> 0:14:56.234 just hanging off of the Kardashian success for the rest 0:14:56.274 --> 0:14:58.674 of her life. It's really quite interesting this time of 0:14:58.674 --> 0:14:59.314 her life. 0:14:59.394 --> 0:15:03.194 I've got another little tidbit of gossip related to the Kardashians, 0:15:03.314 --> 0:15:06.874 and it's about Chris Jenner, who's not failing at anything 0:15:07.194 --> 0:15:07.594 right now. 0:15:07.714 --> 0:15:10.914 She is in whatever the opposite of a floppy era is. 0:15:10.954 --> 0:15:13.754 She's got her brand new face that has been critically acclaimed, 0:15:13.874 --> 0:15:17.634 unlike Kim Show. And she just celebrated her seventieth birthday 0:15:17.754 --> 0:15:20.834 on Friday night in Los Angeles in Beverly Hills at 0:15:20.874 --> 0:15:25.634 Jeff Bezos's mansion, and the guest list was very impressive. 0:15:25.874 --> 0:15:30.394 It was everyone from Mark Zuckerberg to Oprah and Gail 0:15:30.674 --> 0:15:34.034 to Rita Wilson. Tom Hanks's wife is also an actress 0:15:34.074 --> 0:15:37.674 in her own right, to Miranda Kerr and the Snapchat 0:15:37.754 --> 0:15:39.034 guy she's married. 0:15:38.674 --> 0:15:40.674 To, Evan Adele, was there. 0:15:40.794 --> 0:15:44.714 Interestingly, she covered her face with her handbag on the 0:15:44.754 --> 0:15:48.314 way in, which reminded me of remember when Leonardo DiCaprio 0:15:48.394 --> 0:15:50.554 went to the Bezel's wedding and just pulled his hat 0:15:50.634 --> 0:15:50.874 down on. 0:15:51.674 --> 0:15:53.914 I would absolutely go to christ Janna's seventieth and I 0:15:53.954 --> 0:15:56.154 would absolutely hide my face on my way in and 0:15:56.194 --> 0:15:58.234 out because I think the out louders would be, you know, 0:15:58.394 --> 0:16:00.554 probably call me out fairly, but I'd be like, guys, 0:16:00.594 --> 0:16:01.434 I'm there for the gossip. 0:16:01.874 --> 0:16:04.634 But what I found really interesting about this is that 0:16:05.354 --> 0:16:08.834 Chris Jenna was not always Hollywood royalty. In fact, she 0:16:09.114 --> 0:16:12.074 was on the outs in Hollywood all through the twenty tens. 0:16:12.114 --> 0:16:15.674 The Kardashian family was seen as very naff, sort of embarrassing. 0:16:15.994 --> 0:16:18.954 They certainly didn't have any credibility in the sort of 0:16:19.034 --> 0:16:22.834 moneyed halls of Beverly Hills. And now Chris Jenna seems 0:16:22.874 --> 0:16:25.794 to be the queen of Hollywood, and she's bringing together 0:16:25.914 --> 0:16:28.554 not just actors like the Riata Wilson's of the world, 0:16:28.594 --> 0:16:31.474 but also like media moguls like Oprah and then tech 0:16:31.554 --> 0:16:35.194 moguls like Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos. And my genuine 0:16:35.234 --> 0:16:38.434 question is, how did she pull this off? And why 0:16:38.594 --> 0:16:41.554 does everyone feel that they need to be there at 0:16:41.594 --> 0:16:42.954 Chris Jenna's birthday party? 0:16:43.074 --> 0:16:46.714 I reckon behind the scenes. She must be an incredible networker, right, 0:16:46.834 --> 0:16:48.874 Like she must be one of those people that everyone 0:16:49.114 --> 0:16:52.754 actually quite likes. This happens in like Australian media circles, 0:16:52.754 --> 0:16:55.154 where it's not who you'd expect who were like the 0:16:55.194 --> 0:16:58.954 most connected and almost the most popular. Did I read 0:16:58.994 --> 0:17:01.994 though that Chris Jenna had Harry and Meghan Harry the. 0:17:02.034 --> 0:17:04.554 Duke and Duchess of Sussex were there. But I want 0:17:04.554 --> 0:17:07.794 to just push you on that, Jesse, because we knew 0:17:07.834 --> 0:17:09.554 there were friends, by the way, because Megan had sent 0:17:09.634 --> 0:17:12.634 her Rose when she launched her Rose, so that's when 0:17:12.754 --> 0:17:16.594 that connection first came about. But I want to distinguish 0:17:16.594 --> 0:17:19.114 between someone who's a good networker and someone who's just 0:17:19.154 --> 0:17:21.154 a lot of fun to be around, because that's what 0:17:21.194 --> 0:17:23.314 I'm trying to figure out with her. Do people think 0:17:23.314 --> 0:17:25.714 it's strategic to show up at her party or is 0:17:25.714 --> 0:17:28.394 she just the best fun in Hollywood? Oh? 0:17:28.434 --> 0:17:30.354 I think she might be really fun. I think she 0:17:30.434 --> 0:17:32.593 might be really fun too. But I also feel like 0:17:32.914 --> 0:17:37.674 the Kardashian power has shifted over the years. Remember when 0:17:37.994 --> 0:17:40.513 their power was kind of intangible, like they were famous 0:17:40.514 --> 0:17:42.313 for being famous. There was all of that, and I 0:17:42.314 --> 0:17:45.834 think as we've kind of progressed, and these women have 0:17:45.914 --> 0:17:50.034 become incredibly successful business women in their own right, and 0:17:50.314 --> 0:17:52.194 you know, Chris still at the head of that family 0:17:52.194 --> 0:17:54.834 as their agent and taking care of business, and her 0:17:54.874 --> 0:17:57.754 influence has grown and grown and grown, and I think 0:17:58.154 --> 0:17:59.714 just the nature of the world that we now live 0:17:59.714 --> 0:18:02.313 in that's less about the old money and about the 0:18:02.354 --> 0:18:04.834 old ways and more about the you and the flashy 0:18:04.874 --> 0:18:07.674 and the next and the latest. I think her power 0:18:07.754 --> 0:18:09.714 is actually shifted into a place where I think people 0:18:09.994 --> 0:18:12.794 probably are also networking with her in a way that 0:18:12.794 --> 0:18:15.154 they wouldn't have done ten years ago. I have a 0:18:15.154 --> 0:18:19.034 little piece of gossip about Jeff Bezos. He has a house. 0:18:18.834 --> 0:18:21.394 In Washington, DC, where I used to live, and I 0:18:21.474 --> 0:18:23.834 have a friend who once went to a party at 0:18:23.834 --> 0:18:25.273 his Washington DC mansion. 0:18:25.434 --> 0:18:26.794 And here is the little tidbit. 0:18:27.274 --> 0:18:30.194 He owns two mansions and they're on other sides of 0:18:30.234 --> 0:18:32.194 the street from each other there, and one of the 0:18:32.234 --> 0:18:35.114 mansions is just for parties, and it's full of like 0:18:35.274 --> 0:18:39.594 really historic, pricey memorabilia and beautiful frange pictures and it's 0:18:39.634 --> 0:18:43.074 specifically designed to entertain people and impress people. And then 0:18:43.114 --> 0:18:44.914 on the other side of the Street is his actual 0:18:44.914 --> 0:18:46.794 house that he lives in, And what's the bet that 0:18:46.794 --> 0:18:50.634 that's just got some comfy sofas and some oh some 0:18:50.674 --> 0:18:53.794 big big screen TVs. And I just love the idea 0:18:53.834 --> 0:18:56.394 of a dedicated party house for Jeff Bezos. 0:18:56.874 --> 0:19:00.154 After the break, the New York Times asked a very 0:19:00.154 --> 0:19:02.634 simple question, nothing wrong with asking a question. They just 0:19:02.634 --> 0:19:06.714 wanted to know if women ruined the workplace? And the 0:19:06.714 --> 0:19:09.674 internet got really mad, and we are here to dissect it. 0:19:15.634 --> 0:19:20.154 Did women ruin the workplace? The New York Times? They did, 0:19:20.194 --> 0:19:22.674 and they took the words right out of our mouths. 0:19:23.274 --> 0:19:26.474 They are reading our minds. Last week, the New York 0:19:26.474 --> 0:19:29.994 Times published that headline, and as tends to happen on 0:19:30.034 --> 0:19:33.394 the internet, there was a lot of blowback to the headline. 0:19:33.474 --> 0:19:37.114 I think most people didn't actually read what was beyond it. 0:19:37.154 --> 0:19:40.634 That's not to say the headline isn't offensive or problematic, 0:19:40.994 --> 0:19:46.794 but the article itself was somewhat more complicated, and we'll 0:19:46.874 --> 0:19:47.353 get to that. 0:19:47.514 --> 0:19:48.954