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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mom and mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: Have you guys, ever been on a fart walk? So

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Speaker 2: basically what it means is after dinner. It's best done

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a perambulation or stroll for twenty

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Speaker 2: going and get some relief if you've had a fibrous dinner.

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Speaker 2: I mean questions. I don't think it's a complicated concept.

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Speaker 3: I've never done a fart in my life, so I

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Speaker 3: don't know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: I just fight in my car. I go for a fight.

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Speaker 1: I think the act of like getting into the car

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Speaker 1: and putting your legs up is a good angle. This

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Speaker 1: is so disgusting. No, it's no one's going to come.

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Speaker 2: It's important parenting content because our favorite Australian parenting expert,

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Speaker 2: Maggie Dent does say that you should fight in front

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Speaker 2: of your kids because it shows vulnerability and creates connection

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Speaker 2: and they think it's really funny.

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Speaker 1: Okay, welcome to Parenting out Loud, the podcast of people

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Speaker 1: who don't always listen to parenting podcasts. We unpack the

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Speaker 1: news trends, culture and what parents are thinking about. I'm

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Speaker 1: on Eat Bolly, I'm Amelia Asta, and I'm Stacey Hicks

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Speaker 1: coming up today. The social media ban is imminent and

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Speaker 1: you might think it's got nothing to do with you

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Speaker 1: or your kids, but I'm telling you this might be

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Speaker 1: the parenting gift of our era.

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Speaker 3: And the last time. Trend is everywhere, but there's a

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Speaker 3: little problem with it.

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Speaker 2: And a royal family's Christmas tree has really sent me

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Speaker 2: into a spiral, and I think I know why.

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Speaker 3: But first a sentence is about to come out of

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Speaker 3: my mouth that I never thought I would say.

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Speaker 1: The Wiggles are in trouble.

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Speaker 3: They did something wrong, which is pretty impressive that it's

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Speaker 3: the first time that this has happened in what have

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Speaker 3: they been around?

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Speaker 4: Thirty years, twenty years a long time.

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Speaker 2: The words Wiggles scandal and I prayed it didn't mean

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Speaker 2: they were in the Epstein file.

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Speaker 4: No, it's very very PG. Look.

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Speaker 3: So a spokesperson for their band had to issue a

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Speaker 3: statement after Anthony Field, the Blue Wiggle and his nephew,

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that the Dancing Tree is his nephew.

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Speaker 1: You know, the one that doesn't It's a big family

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Speaker 1: thing and the managers his brother. Yeah, it's all yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they're all married to each other and that's all

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Speaker 1: their nephews and nieces are in it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, very sweet family business.

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Speaker 3: But they had to issue this statement after they were

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Speaker 3: filmed in a video with Kelly Holiday. So they actually

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Speaker 3: appeared on stage with him at the TikTok Awards and

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Speaker 3: it was great, Like they danced to his song Dancing Too,

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Speaker 3: which is a banger. He's a singer. He's from Peaking Duck.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Ossie band, Peaking Duck. Nope, Anyway, they

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Speaker 3: came on stage with him. It was a great crossover

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Speaker 3: of Ossie music, very wholesome, very lovely. But it's this

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Speaker 3: But when Kelly posted that after the fact, he put

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Speaker 3: his song over the top with the lyrics hey girl,

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Speaker 3: of ecstasy.

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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe pocket full of sunshine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But people did not take that very kindly, and

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Speaker 3: a lapse of judgment. So they it is. And they

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Speaker 3: not support or condone the use of drugs in any form, obviously,

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Speaker 3: it to be removed. Well, Kelly Holiday is a friend

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Speaker 3: of the Wiggles. The video and the music added to

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Speaker 4: What do we think of them?

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Speaker 1: The obsessed with this story. So the headline I saw

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Speaker 1: was the Wiggles apologize after appearing in Kelly holiday ecstasy video.

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Speaker 1: talk about it. This is layered. Can I just remind

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Speaker 1: you the Wiggles are not just a kid's band. They

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Speaker 4: I actually didn't know this either. I did not song about.

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Speaker 1: Now EDM music stands for electronic dance music. This is

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Speaker 1: an industry where drug use is fairly prevalent. I am

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Speaker 1: just saying they play in a space that is also

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. Yeah, they have a podcast, their Instagram

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Speaker 1: Like is that the line for them? Like it's okay

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Speaker 3: adults who grew up with them know their songs. They've

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Speaker 3: great time. But they've never kind of veered into that lane.

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Speaker 3: So that's how careful this band is about their personal appearance.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, look, fair play to them. They've cleared

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Speaker 1: So it shows how toly the brand is controlled. It's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I've got these two friends called Fred and Mary and

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Speaker 3: If they got four children and live in Denmark? Yeah, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: But anyway, so Queen Mary and King Frederic posted this

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Speaker 2: bit sad. Let me explain why this video was forty

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Speaker 2: There was this like lovely music playing.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the exact name. It just googled Danish

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Speaker 2: royal family for the Instagram account.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at it now. It's like done gonga, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: There's no speaking in it. It's just these forty six

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Speaker 2: title right. At Frederick the Eight's palace of Amalienborg, you know,

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Speaker 2: but this is not how the tree decorating went down

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Speaker 2: There was a squabble between a parent and a child

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Speaker 2: the parent, who shall remain nameless but has amazing taste

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Speaker 4: Stuff, some of those super sheep those.

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Speaker 2: But there was a replica of their palace in barble form,

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Speaker 2: which was nice, which is nice to me. I should

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Speaker 2: get one of my two bedroom flat. But look, I

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Speaker 2: just wanted to say or check in with you on

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Speaker 2: if it's just I should get over it and Fred

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Speaker 2: and Mary live an idylic picture postcard Christmas life.

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Speaker 3: Are you okay? Because I have never known you to

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Speaker 2: But I think that the reason why is because you know,

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Speaker 2: That means a lot to me because you are Miss Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Yes Christmas. I don't know what title you prefer, but

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Speaker 2: He said, I've been calling this a mother's revolution because

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Speaker 3: You know how Australians feel very proud and almost cocky

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Speaker 4: It's the next thing of all.

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Speaker 2: Guess what, Malaysia is already implementing a band very similar

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Speaker 1: When you say it was the Mother's Revolution, can I

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Speaker 1: It's been widely reported that it was the wife of

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Speaker 1: the South Australian premier who read Jonathan Hats's book The

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Speaker 1: Anxious Generation and she was the one that urged action.

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Speaker 1: Now I just want to say she is not just

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Speaker 1: the wife of the South Australian premiere. Annabelle Malamowskus is

441
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Speaker 1: a lawyer, an extremely intelligent person of her own standing.

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Speaker 1: It just irks me that it's like, oh, the wife

443
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Speaker 1: of the powerful guy was the one that started this

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Speaker 1: whole thing. She's her own person. Thank you South Australia guy.

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Speaker 2: Who Annabell legend. Yeah for Annabel this week and the

446
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Speaker 2: eve of the most important legislation ever enacted on planet Earth.

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Speaker 3: So kind of speaking of social media, do you remember

448
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Speaker 3: the last time you logged out of MySpace and you

449
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Speaker 3: just never logged back in again, Or the last time

450
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Speaker 3: you did your makeup on your friend's bedroom floor in

451
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Speaker 3: front of the mirror before you went out to the club,

452
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Speaker 3: probably with a fake idea. Now, if you just got

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Speaker 3: a sad, longing feeling like I just saw that Mom's

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Speaker 3: had when I was talking about those things, then this

455
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Speaker 3: is about to hit you in the fields.

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Speaker 4: Take a listen.

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Speaker 7: One night in the two thousands, we did our last

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Speaker 7: lap of the club, and we didn't know it would

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Speaker 7: be put our bank card in a cash machine and

460
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Speaker 7: got a mini statement for the last time. The last

461
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Speaker 7: time we signed off a text message with please text

462
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Speaker 7: back or PTB, like we would have been on the

463
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Speaker 7: cusp of unlimited minutes and text and we didn't even

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Speaker 7: know it, And so we still have that sort of

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Speaker 7: like hint of desperation at the end of our messages.

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Speaker 5: One night we hung up the landline fine for the

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Speaker 5: last time, and then we've never used it since. One

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Speaker 5: night I asked my mum what was for dinner? And

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Speaker 5: it was the very last time, And.

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Speaker 2: Now other people asked me what's for dinner, and I

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Speaker 2: don't know.

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Speaker 7: One night we rewound a VHS for the very last

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Speaker 7: time and put it through the postbox and Blockbuster. I'm

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Speaker 7: pretty sure we were also all in debt when it

475
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Speaker 7: went out of business.

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Speaker 3: That was Helen McPherson in what started as a joke,

477
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Speaker 3: but as you heard, she quickly descended into tears, which

478
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Speaker 3: is what I do when I think about this stuff

479
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Speaker 3: as well. I froth this content like there's nothing I

480
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Speaker 3: love more than the nostalgia of thinking about things that

481
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Speaker 3: you can't get back, that just.

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Speaker 4: Slowly slipped away from.

483
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Speaker 3: You, Like I want my doorbeads and my inflatable sea

484
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Speaker 3: through purple arm chair I had for some reason. I

485
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Speaker 3: want all of that back.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like it all gets amplified.

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Speaker 3: When you have kids, because then you see how quickly

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Speaker 3: they change and you lose those stages with them, and

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Speaker 3: so you get.

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Speaker 4: Sad about that as well.

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Speaker 3: And I feel like millennials in particular are responsible for this,

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Speaker 3: like love of nostalgia. There's this big trend on TikTok

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Speaker 3: now called the Last Time, where parents are getting their

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Speaker 3: kids who are like teenagers or you know, around like

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Speaker 3: that eleven twelve year old mark and saying to them,

496
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Speaker 3: I don't remember the last time I picked you up

497
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Speaker 3: and put you down, so I'm going to do it now.

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Speaker 3: And they're filming themselves picking up their children for the

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Speaker 3: last time, and the kids often cry like it feels

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Speaker 3: like it's this meaningful thing to the kids as well

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Speaker 3: that they cry in these videos, So like, is nostalgia

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Speaker 3: lovely or is it just making us really sad?

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Speaker 2: I hate this so much. I hated that video. I thought,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, I thought it was us that she

505
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Speaker 2: started crying about the Blockbuster and the lambline, And I

506
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Speaker 2: think this it's something when it comes to the parenting

507
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Speaker 2: incarnation of this last time content. I think there is

508
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Speaker 2: something borderline masochistic about consuming it. And I'm going to

509
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Speaker 2: explain to you why you don't need to worry about

510
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Speaker 2: the last time. I need to set it up with

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Speaker 2: this grab that I think Mon's is going to find

512
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Speaker 2: really hard to get through. Okay, it's the most prevalent

513
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Speaker 2: last time parenting content that's out there. It's from Jordan

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Speaker 2: Peterson and it was everywhere, particularly during the pandemic like

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 4: Let's say I know it and I'm about to solve

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Speaker 4: BA prepared.

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Speaker 6: You have little kids for four years, and if you

519
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Speaker 6: miss it, it's done.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 6: That period between zero and four, zero and five, there's

522
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Speaker 6: something about it that's really it's like a peak experience

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Speaker 6: in life, and it's much of your life, you know,

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Speaker 6: because you think of it as a long time, it's

525
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Speaker 6: not that long.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 6: Four years goes by so fast you can't believe it,

528
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Speaker 6: and if you miss it, it's gone.

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Speaker 2: Before I take this down, Mon's reactions.

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Speaker 1: Start making me feel bad. Jordan Peterson, Like, I think

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Speaker 1: when I first saw this, and I've seen it so

532
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Speaker 1: many times, I feel slapped in the face by it,

533
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Speaker 1: and I feel guilty, and I don't think it's the

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Speaker 1: content that we need.

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Speaker 4: I love it like I've never like.

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Speaker 3: Don't you two just sit and like scroll photos of

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Speaker 3: your kids when they were little on your phone after

538
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Speaker 3: you've gotten angry at them because they're not going to sleep,

539
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Speaker 3: and then you lay there and you miss them and

540
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Speaker 3: you look at photos of them.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think there's something about nostalgia where it's immovable, like

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Speaker 3: it can't change. It's a set time period that's gone

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Speaker 3: from you. You can never get back to it. And

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Speaker 3: I think that's why it feels so perfect, Like you

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Speaker 3: want to be able to relive those things, and it's

547
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Speaker 3: nice to feel like, oh those like yes to you

548
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Speaker 3: was a lovely time.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Amelia, I think.

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Speaker 2: It has a dark side. I think there's something a

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Speaker 2: little bit pernicious about it, and I want to unpack

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Speaker 2: why that video really had the impact it did, and

553
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Speaker 2: I think there's something quite pernicious about it. So let

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Speaker 2: me just explain first of all, Jordan Peterson. If you

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Speaker 2: don't know who he is, he's a masculinity influencer, I

556
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Speaker 2: guess you'd call him. He's also a psychologist. But he

557
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Speaker 2: has said a lot of things that are pretty questionable.

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Speaker 2: He said there's no such thing as climate, which I

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Speaker 2: think anyone who's been outside in the rain might disagree with,

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Speaker 2: or anyone who's experienced a bushfire. He said, at least

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Speaker 2: for a while, that he was only eating beef and

562
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Speaker 2: salt and water, which, apart from anything else, I think

563
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Speaker 2: would make you very constipated. He need some fiber, Jordan,

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's a coincidence that he has lots

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Speaker 2: of pretty dangerous views. He's also transphobic, he's also sexist,

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Speaker 2: and that he's pushing this line. This clip that we

567
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Speaker 2: heard is one of his twelve rules for life, and

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Speaker 2: he's all about discipline and power and control.

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Speaker 1: Why does it matter what he does in his personal

570
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Speaker 1: life compared to what he's telling us.

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Speaker 2: Let me explain. He definitely believes in a particular type

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Speaker 2: of parenting that I think is quite dangerous in some ways.

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Speaker 2: For instance, he definitely believes in physical punishment and coercion

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Speaker 2: of children. He has talked about force feeding his son,

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Speaker 2: and he makes clear that he thinks there are two

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Speaker 2: types of parents. There are the bad and the mushy

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Speaker 2: ones who kind of indulge their children and treat them

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Speaker 2: like human beings, and then there are the ones who

579
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Speaker 2: control their children and discipline them for their own good.

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Speaker 2: Because his basic thesis of childhood is that you're preparing

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Speaker 2: your children to enter this dog eat dog, tough social world,

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Speaker 2: and you have to set them up for it. So

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying is there's a reason why Jordan Peterson

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Speaker 2: thinks that the years between zero and five are so magical,

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Speaker 2: and that everything that comes after that is just sort

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Speaker 2: of not as special. Is because the years between zero

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Speaker 2: and five are the years that you can control your

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Speaker 2: child in a much more effective way than when they

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Speaker 2: develop their own views on things. They develop their own opinions,

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Speaker 2: and that might clash with what you, as a parent

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Speaker 2: want for them.

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Speaker 3: But it's almost like that grab has been taken and

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Speaker 3: been co opted by all the mushy parents like me.

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Speaker 3: You have seen the glimmer of truth in that and gone,

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Speaker 3: but it is such a finite time, and that's why

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Speaker 3: you kind of want to be present in it. Yes,

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Speaker 3: it makes you feel bad, as you say, Mom's like,

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Speaker 3: it does make you feel sad when that's gone and

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Speaker 3: you can never get back to it.

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Speaker 4: But isn't that like what nostalgia.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm really glad that you said that, because I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying that everyone who connected with this necessarily subscribes

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Speaker 2: to anything that Jordan Peterson says about anything.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm.

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Speaker 2: Saying that the reason why he believes so strongly that

606
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Speaker 2: zero to five is the only magic special time in

607
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Speaker 2: a child's life is because he has these certain views

608
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Speaker 2: about how important it is to control your children and

609
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Speaker 2: shape them in your image.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So basically we need to not be as sad

611
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Speaker 3: about the fact that those years are gone, but just

612
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Speaker 3: be focusing on.

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Speaker 2: Them now be wonderful in different ways. I do think

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Speaker 2: that's true, and I do think that that's what is

615
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Speaker 2: missed in that kind of clip. Is this idea that

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Speaker 2: once your child's five and they start speaking up for

617
00:29:01,634 --> 00:29:05,234
Speaker 2: themselves and developing their own opinions, that isn't also magical

618
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Speaker 2: and special in itself, because it is.

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Speaker 1: But hang on, Devil's Advocate, he's not wrong. No, the

620
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Speaker 1: first thousand days of a child's life is really important

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Speaker 1: for attachment, for brain development. That's why there's lots of

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Speaker 1: public health messages around You've got to read to your child,

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Speaker 1: you've got to talk to your child, you've got to

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Speaker 1: pay attention to your child. There's now public health campaigns

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Speaker 1: about putting your phone down and making eye contact with

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Speaker 1: your baby and your toddler. For me, I think the

627
00:29:34,114 --> 00:29:37,674
Speaker 1: underlying message is true, and we see public health messages

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00:29:37,674 --> 00:29:40,034
Speaker 1: around that and evidence around that. I think it's the

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Speaker 1: delivery for me that I have a problem with. It's

630
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Speaker 1: very shaming. It feels very shaming.

631
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Speaker 2: Shaming because it's saying like you're not paying enough attention.

632
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to get this right. It feels very

633
00:29:52,754 --> 00:29:53,394
Speaker 1: much like that.

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Speaker 2: For instance, the Princess of Wales now has this big

635
00:29:57,154 --> 00:30:01,074
Speaker 2: campaign on the importance of the early years child. Yeah,

636
00:30:01,074 --> 00:30:04,394
Speaker 2: and we've talked about also on this show how important

637
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Speaker 2: she says it is to put your phone down when

638
00:30:06,634 --> 00:30:09,634
Speaker 2: you're talking to your infant and your toddler. And I

639
00:30:09,674 --> 00:30:11,794
Speaker 2: think all of that's true ones, but somehow when I

640
00:30:11,834 --> 00:30:15,634
Speaker 2: hear it from her, it feels less all or nothing. Yeah,

641
00:30:15,634 --> 00:30:18,554
Speaker 2: And when the masculinity influencer tells me that zero to

642
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Speaker 2: five is it?

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Speaker 1: This is what he does. He makes contentious statements and

644
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Speaker 1: delivers him in a way that's very direct for reach

645
00:30:26,074 --> 00:30:29,474
Speaker 1: or engagement for people that will engage with the content.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's my problem with this last moment

647
00:30:34,394 --> 00:30:37,114
Speaker 1: trend that I'm seeing, and I keep falling for it,

648
00:30:37,754 --> 00:30:39,434
Speaker 1: all those mums that pick up their child for the

649
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Speaker 1: last time on their Instagram, Like, are you truly in

650
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Speaker 1: the moment if you're filming the moment and then you're

651
00:30:45,194 --> 00:30:47,394
Speaker 1: trying to find matching music and then you're thinking of

652
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Speaker 1: a great caption and you're hoping it goes viral. No,

653
00:30:50,274 --> 00:30:50,594
Speaker 1: you're not.

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Speaker 3: I think that's so cynical though, Like, yes, the filming

655
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Speaker 3: of it takes away some of the moment, But I

656
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Speaker 3: love the thought of remembering all of those last things,

657
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Speaker 3: like the last time they did everything, the last time

658
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Speaker 3: they go to KINDI, the last time they drink from

659
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Speaker 3: a bottle, like I think I even kept the bottle

660
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Speaker 3: that my daughter had her last milkin. You know, it

661
00:31:10,514 --> 00:31:12,834
Speaker 3: is those things that just are like special moments in

662
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Speaker 3: time with them that you can't get back. So I

663
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Speaker 3: kind of like the idea of parents reclaiming a moment

664
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Speaker 3: and going, oh, I missed it, but I could do

665
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Speaker 3: it now and I could have that and kind of

666
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Speaker 3: see that in my memory.

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Speaker 2: When you focus on last it makes you feel inherently

668
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Speaker 2: bad because you're like, did I fully savor the moment?

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Speaker 2: And I think mother's in particular susceptible to this because

670
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Speaker 2: another thing that's true about zero to five, Yes, it's

671
00:31:37,194 --> 00:31:40,234
Speaker 2: very important, it's also really hard, Like zero to five

672
00:31:40,314 --> 00:31:43,714
Speaker 2: are probably in some ways certainly the most physically demanding

673
00:31:43,794 --> 00:31:47,954
Speaker 2: years of being a parent. And so Jordan Peterson telling me, well,

674
00:31:47,994 --> 00:31:51,634
Speaker 2: did you enjoy every single minute of it? No, I didn't,

675
00:31:51,834 --> 00:31:54,754
Speaker 2: and that's okay. I think it's unrealistic to expect that,

676
00:31:54,874 --> 00:31:57,834
Speaker 2: and I just wish we could focus instead on first

677
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Speaker 2: I mean first. They are also really cool. The first

678
00:32:00,554 --> 00:32:03,434
Speaker 2: time your kid takes a step, the first day of school,

679
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Speaker 2: the first time they read a book by themselves, Like

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Speaker 2: that makes me feel positive about the future rather than

681
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Speaker 2: regretful about the past.

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Speaker 1: It is about identity loss. Those zero to five years,

683
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Speaker 1: you get to be someone's whole world, and that is

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Speaker 1: very special. When you lose that, there is a weird

685
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Speaker 1: grief around that.

686
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Speaker 3: And maybe that's why it feels so linked to the nostalgia.

687
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Speaker 3: You have to be younger yourself, Like it is that

688
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Speaker 3: thing of I'm not that person anymore and I can't

689
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Speaker 3: get that back.

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Speaker 4: And it's the same with little kids.

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Speaker 1: There's also a lot of really good last times, the

692
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Speaker 1: last time they wet the bed, the last time they

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Speaker 1: do a shit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, all right.

695
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Speaker 1: It is time for the good stuff. This is recommendations

696
00:32:44,634 --> 00:32:47,714
Speaker 1: where we bring you our little life upgrades that we

697
00:32:47,754 --> 00:32:51,274
Speaker 1: can't shut up about. Shall I begin, Yes, go, you

698
00:32:51,434 --> 00:32:54,274
Speaker 1: shall go. I have a hack that's going to cost

699
00:32:54,314 --> 00:32:57,274
Speaker 1: you less than five bucks. It's going to elevate your

700
00:32:57,314 --> 00:33:00,074
Speaker 1: kid's Christmas presents by about two hundred percent. This is

701
00:33:00,074 --> 00:33:03,314
Speaker 1: my secret. For a long time. I have wanted a

702
00:33:03,354 --> 00:33:05,154
Speaker 1: cricket machine. Do you know what these are?

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00:33:05,714 --> 00:33:05,914
Speaker 2: No?

704
00:33:06,234 --> 00:33:09,794
Speaker 3: Yeah, your best friend has one and it's her entire personality.

705
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Speaker 2: Is it like practicing batting?

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00:33:13,074 --> 00:33:16,274
Speaker 1: It's the craft equivalent of a thermomix amelia. So you

707
00:33:16,314 --> 00:33:18,194
Speaker 1: know how Thermo mix people are very into Thermo mixes

708
00:33:18,234 --> 00:33:21,114
Speaker 1: and they're very sick cult A cricket machine is that

709
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Speaker 1: for craft? They are basically a fancy vinyl label maker.

710
00:33:26,074 --> 00:33:29,394
Speaker 1: I wanted to be the mum who makes personalized labels

711
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Speaker 1: for everything. I do not have time for that shit.

712
00:33:32,954 --> 00:33:35,834
Speaker 1: So now I just outsource it and I take the credit.

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00:33:35,914 --> 00:33:39,394
Speaker 1: Here's how I do it. I go to Etsy, I

714
00:33:39,474 --> 00:33:43,154
Speaker 1: type in custom name sticker. You will be amazed at

715
00:33:43,154 --> 00:33:46,394
Speaker 1: the mums who are running side hustles doing this, and

716
00:33:46,434 --> 00:33:49,674
Speaker 1: you just order some personalized name stickers they get posted

717
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Speaker 1: to you. You haven't spent a cent on a new

718
00:33:52,034 --> 00:33:54,194
Speaker 1: hobby that will last about two hours in your house.

719
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Speaker 1: You've taken the cheat's way out. Now you get your

720
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Speaker 1: vinyl stickers and you put them on your kid's drink bottles,

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Speaker 1: their lunch boxes, their iPads and you look like a

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00:34:04,194 --> 00:34:07,954
Speaker 1: mum with her life together, and your kids froth it

723
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Speaker 1: having their name on their stuff, like in a way

724
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Speaker 1: that's not just a sharpie scrawled on it. His elite level.

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Speaker 1: If you're putting lunchboxes and drink bottles in Santa Sax

726
00:34:16,754 --> 00:34:20,433
Speaker 1: this year, go ahead, get on Etsy, get your little

727
00:34:20,434 --> 00:34:22,634
Speaker 1: stickers and elevate the shit out of it.

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Speaker 2: That's brilliant because kids just love things of their name

729
00:34:25,074 --> 00:34:25,513
Speaker 2: on them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Kids are so narcissistic, aren't they. They just want their

732
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Speaker 4: name on everything.

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Speaker 3: My friend made my daughter a little denim jacket with

734
00:34:32,634 --> 00:34:35,074
Speaker 3: Elsa and then her name on the top, like on

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Speaker 3: the back, on just a little like hand me down jacket.

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Speaker 4: Best thing she's ever got.

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Speaker 2: I think so good.

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Speaker 1: A hangover from when I was a kid and they

739
00:34:42,114 --> 00:34:44,394
Speaker 1: would have like personalized mugs. There was never a monachue.

740
00:34:44,434 --> 00:34:47,074
Speaker 1: I never got anything personally. So now I'm like, kids,

741
00:34:47,154 --> 00:34:48,714
Speaker 1: you can have your name on everything.

742
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Speaker 2: I'm relieved I don't have to buy something called a

743
00:34:51,114 --> 00:34:54,274
Speaker 2: cricket machine because I still don't really know what that is,

744
00:34:54,394 --> 00:34:57,834
Speaker 2: but this sounds great. Well. My recommendation this week is

745
00:34:57,874 --> 00:35:01,154
Speaker 2: adjacent to my fartwalk, and it's a way to squeeze

746
00:35:01,154 --> 00:35:04,514
Speaker 2: more fiber into your day. It's a rebranding of vegetables.

747
00:35:04,514 --> 00:35:08,194
Speaker 2: It's called the crunch plate. So before every meal, I

748
00:35:08,554 --> 00:35:13,474
Speaker 2: chop up some fruit or vegetables, fruit at breakfast, vegetables

749
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Speaker 2: at dinner, and because they're so hungry and it's called

750
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Speaker 2: a crunch plate, they seem to eat it. And then

751
00:35:19,034 --> 00:35:21,953
Speaker 2: I don't need to worry about the vegetables at dinner itself,

752
00:35:22,114 --> 00:35:25,154
Speaker 2: because I've never been one of those pure beets into

753
00:35:25,194 --> 00:35:27,074
Speaker 2: your brownies type mums.

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Speaker 1: I need some examples of what you're putting on it,

755
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Speaker 1: because all we have here is like carrots and cucumb

756
00:35:31,354 --> 00:35:32,874
Speaker 1: But I'm so bored on it. What are you putting

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00:35:32,914 --> 00:35:33,154
Speaker 1: on it?

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00:35:33,394 --> 00:35:37,114
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the best unusual vegetable I've put on

759
00:35:37,154 --> 00:35:39,794
Speaker 2: it is a snowpea.

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00:35:38,914 --> 00:35:42,674
Speaker 4: I fancy, but I'm pretty sure.

761
00:35:42,714 --> 00:35:46,314
Speaker 2: Megan Sussex has suggested doing a similar thing, but with hummus.

762
00:35:46,354 --> 00:35:50,074
Speaker 2: I actually don't bother with the dips. I'm not that sophisticated.

763
00:35:50,474 --> 00:35:54,194
Speaker 2: It typically is three. That's my secret recipe here, three

764
00:35:54,274 --> 00:35:57,114
Speaker 2: different types of vegetables at dinner, three different types of

765
00:35:57,154 --> 00:35:58,834
Speaker 2: fruit at breakfast. So good.

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Speaker 3: We call it a picky plate in our house, same thing,

767
00:36:01,394 --> 00:36:02,473
Speaker 3: but I like crunch Plate.

768
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Speaker 4: I might rebrand it.

769
00:36:03,634 --> 00:36:05,634
Speaker 1: Spending your life just chopping there.

770
00:36:05,634 --> 00:36:08,714
Speaker 4: Just buy them chopped. Either way, it's still gonna work.

771
00:36:09,074 --> 00:36:12,474
Speaker 4: La la money bags.

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00:36:13,674 --> 00:36:14,594
Speaker 2: What have you got?

773
00:36:14,914 --> 00:36:15,274
Speaker 4: Okay?

774
00:36:15,554 --> 00:36:18,194
Speaker 3: So I'm currently trying to get out of my Shillac

775
00:36:18,274 --> 00:36:21,674
Speaker 3: manicure pyramid scheme that I luw myself in, like I am.

776
00:36:22,114 --> 00:36:25,354
Speaker 3: I got a Shillac manicure randomly about two years ago,

777
00:36:25,514 --> 00:36:26,314
Speaker 3: and now.

778
00:36:26,234 --> 00:36:28,873
Speaker 4: I have been trapped. It's like a pyramid skime it is.

779
00:36:29,114 --> 00:36:31,594
Speaker 3: I've had to go back, and this week I've literally

780
00:36:31,594 --> 00:36:33,634
Speaker 3: have to get myself out of it out of necessity

781
00:36:33,674 --> 00:36:35,194
Speaker 3: because I physically couldn't go back.

782
00:36:35,234 --> 00:36:37,314
Speaker 4: I didn't have time to go back. I've picked it

783
00:36:37,354 --> 00:36:37,794
Speaker 4: all off.

784
00:36:38,034 --> 00:36:40,474
Speaker 3: So now I'm painting my nails again like I used to,

785
00:36:40,594 --> 00:36:45,154
Speaker 3: and they just look disgusting. But I've rediscovered this thing

786
00:36:45,194 --> 00:36:48,634
Speaker 3: I had used before, which is the Sally Hanson Instant

787
00:36:48,714 --> 00:36:52,034
Speaker 3: nail polish remover pot. So it's this little pot with

788
00:36:52,154 --> 00:36:54,514
Speaker 3: a lead. I think it's pink. When you're like me

789
00:36:54,594 --> 00:36:56,634
Speaker 3: and you've picked half the polish off after half a

790
00:36:56,674 --> 00:36:59,034
Speaker 3: day and you need to redo them, you literally just

791
00:36:59,114 --> 00:37:01,874
Speaker 3: stick your finger in this little pot, twist it around.

792
00:37:01,954 --> 00:37:04,354
Speaker 3: And there's like a sponge in there. Take your finger

793
00:37:04,394 --> 00:37:05,194
Speaker 3: out and it's gone.

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00:37:05,354 --> 00:37:06,074
Speaker 2: It is gone.

795
00:37:06,114 --> 00:37:08,754
Speaker 3: It's also good if you kids, like my daughter likes

796
00:37:08,754 --> 00:37:10,634
Speaker 3: me to paint her nails too, But then it goes

797
00:37:10,794 --> 00:37:12,914
Speaker 3: like really gross to stick.

798
00:37:12,714 --> 00:37:13,354
Speaker 4: Their finger in there.

799
00:37:13,354 --> 00:37:15,154
Speaker 3: They twisted around and the nail polish is gone, and

800
00:37:15,194 --> 00:37:18,074
Speaker 3: they're like five or six bucks cash for your finger.

801
00:37:18,354 --> 00:37:21,634
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is, it is. They're so so handy. It's

802
00:37:21,794 --> 00:37:23,274
Speaker 4: lovely fun about that idea.

803
00:37:23,434 --> 00:37:25,154
Speaker 3: It is better than doing like you know, when you've

804
00:37:25,154 --> 00:37:26,794
Speaker 3: got the bottle and you knock it over and you've

805
00:37:26,794 --> 00:37:27,394
Speaker 3: got the tissue.

806
00:37:27,394 --> 00:37:30,674
Speaker 4: That's gross. So these are these are better get washing?

807
00:37:30,994 --> 00:37:34,114
Speaker 1: Oh my god, are you early, Amelia.

808
00:37:34,474 --> 00:37:37,794
Speaker 2: No, I'm not a nail polish girl. I choose to

809
00:37:37,834 --> 00:37:41,234
Speaker 2: believe it makes me look French. It probably looks unpolished.

810
00:37:41,394 --> 00:37:43,914
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you've got lovely nails better than mine,

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00:37:43,954 --> 00:37:44,913
Speaker 3: So who am I to.

812
00:37:44,874 --> 00:37:47,234
Speaker 2: Tell you you do your feet. I'm actually trying to

813
00:37:47,234 --> 00:37:49,314
Speaker 2: wean off that because I actually think it's a little

814
00:37:49,314 --> 00:37:51,714
Speaker 2: bit of a patriarchal conspiracy that we have to keep

815
00:37:51,754 --> 00:37:54,554
Speaker 2: maintaining polish on our feet. She like or not, but

816
00:37:54,594 --> 00:37:56,794
Speaker 2: I haven't quite got there yet. It does feel a

817
00:37:56,834 --> 00:37:58,594
Speaker 2: little bit risky, but check in with me in the

818
00:37:58,634 --> 00:38:01,154
Speaker 2: new year. That might be one of my resolutions. I

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00:38:01,194 --> 00:38:05,394
Speaker 2: love that our tips this week were like, chop up vegetables.

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00:38:05,314 --> 00:38:06,873
Speaker 4: Remove nail, don't do you.

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Speaker 2: This is the life of a parent's children. Have you

822
00:38:11,034 --> 00:38:13,433
Speaker 2: heard of this thing called vegetables that you put on

823
00:38:13,474 --> 00:38:13,954
Speaker 2: a plate?

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Speaker 1: This is the absolute goodness we bring you.

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