WEBVTT - When Zac Efron’s Face Polarises The Group Chat 0:00:10.327 --> 0:00:13.047 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:13.727 --> 0:00:16.767 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:16.807 --> 0:00:23.527 that this podcast is recorded on Hello and Welcome to 0:00:23.607 --> 0:00:26.247 Mama Mia out Loud. It's what women are actually talking 0:00:26.247 --> 0:00:28.047 about on Monday, the eighth of July. 0:00:28.247 --> 0:00:30.647 I'm Holly Wainwright, I'm Mia Friedman. 0:00:30.327 --> 0:00:31.527 And I'm Jesse Stevens. 0:00:31.607 --> 0:00:35.007 And on the show today, Mia gave me the challenge 0:00:35.047 --> 0:00:39.407 of making the UK election results interesting and relevant to Australia. 0:00:39.447 --> 0:00:43.767 Watch Me Die Trying. Also, there's a new Nicole Kidman 0:00:43.847 --> 0:00:47.087 movie out, and as usual, everyone's talking about what's been 0:00:47.127 --> 0:00:50.127 done to a face, but it's not her face. And 0:00:50.967 --> 0:00:54.927 what is a high value woman clue? It's a dog whistle. 0:00:55.167 --> 0:00:55.967 Let us explain. 0:00:56.087 --> 0:01:00.487 But first, Jesse, I'm a recovering victim of eyebrow blindness. 0:01:00.807 --> 0:01:05.007 In case you missed it, Apparently we're all experiencing eyebrow blindness, 0:01:05.687 --> 0:01:09.087 coined by TikTok creators as everything is eyebrow blindness for 0:01:09.527 --> 0:01:12.727 to our habit of shaping our eyebrows according to the 0:01:12.807 --> 0:01:16.767 latest trends rather than what actually suits us, meaning that 0:01:16.807 --> 0:01:20.727 we inevitably look back in horror. Essentially even now we 0:01:20.807 --> 0:01:23.967 are blind to whether our eyebrows look good or not 0:01:24.807 --> 0:01:26.327 every now and then. I don't know if you guys 0:01:26.367 --> 0:01:28.127 have experienced this. I feel as though I get a 0:01:28.167 --> 0:01:30.687 moment of clarity where I look in the mirror and 0:01:30.767 --> 0:01:33.607 I go, no, you do look ridiculous. You look ridiculous. 0:01:33.647 --> 0:01:35.767 And I've gone this far because of an Instagram reel 0:01:35.807 --> 0:01:38.367 I watched that told me to fill in my eyebrows 0:01:38.887 --> 0:01:42.167 a lot. I think I'm still a little bit stuck 0:01:42.207 --> 0:01:44.687 on the Kara Delavine moment when we had the really 0:01:44.687 --> 0:01:48.847 bold eyebrows and you brush them up and try and 0:01:48.887 --> 0:01:52.087 give more and more volume. And I remember thinking this too. 0:01:52.247 --> 0:01:56.207 With the eyebrow lamination trend. I saw an influencer do 0:01:56.287 --> 0:01:58.887 it once and I just went, it's two months. We'll 0:01:58.887 --> 0:02:00.927 look back and go, you look ridiculous because you look 0:02:00.967 --> 0:02:03.127 a little bit like you've been electrocuted, because it's all 0:02:03.247 --> 0:02:06.607 up up and like stuck to your face. And it 0:02:06.647 --> 0:02:10.167 happens very very quickly. Do you guys have eyebrow blindness? 0:02:10.407 --> 0:02:13.447 I'm in a full blown eyebrow crisis. So eyebrows are 0:02:13.447 --> 0:02:17.967 not usually something that I notice, but my eyebrows have 0:02:18.007 --> 0:02:21.407 become really sparse and I don't pluck them. I haven't 0:02:21.407 --> 0:02:24.127 pluck them for years, except for you know, the stray 0:02:24.167 --> 0:02:25.807 ones that are going down towards my. 0:02:25.807 --> 0:02:27.567 Eyelashes for a party. 0:02:27.607 --> 0:02:30.807 But I am just finding that they're getting really sparse, 0:02:30.887 --> 0:02:32.967 and so I've been thinking about microblading. 0:02:33.407 --> 0:02:34.407 I'm finding that they. 0:02:34.327 --> 0:02:37.727 Require microblading feels through permanent tattooing. 0:02:37.887 --> 0:02:41.607 It's like semi permanent tattooing, so it basically just draws 0:02:41.607 --> 0:02:42.447 on your eyebrows. 0:02:42.447 --> 0:02:43.487 So you don't have to do everything. 0:02:43.567 --> 0:02:46.727 Cause I don't have eyebrows because I'm fair naturally, my 0:02:46.767 --> 0:02:51.247 eyebrows are invisible, and yet they are the bushiest body 0:02:51.247 --> 0:02:54.047 hair I have. And now that I'm bolding like you 0:02:54.167 --> 0:02:56.607 Mia in my eyebrow department, I'm like one of those 0:02:56.607 --> 0:02:59.487 men who combs over the bolding bits. So I take 0:02:59.527 --> 0:03:01.967 the really long curly ones and I get the eyebrow 0:03:02.047 --> 0:03:04.647 gel and I try to stick it over the bits, 0:03:04.687 --> 0:03:06.007 and then I tend them and I die. 0:03:06.087 --> 0:03:06.727 The lot. 0:03:06.767 --> 0:03:09.047 There's a whole lot of eyebrow comb over. 0:03:09.367 --> 0:03:10.447 A comb over that. 0:03:10.487 --> 0:03:13.847 Is me is a microblading thing. I feel like you'll 0:03:13.847 --> 0:03:17.167 do whatever's trendy now and then in five years when 0:03:17.287 --> 0:03:21.087 no eyebrowses are the cool thing, Holly. I mean, all 0:03:21.087 --> 0:03:23.207 she has to do is not die hers for a minute, 0:03:23.207 --> 0:03:25.167 and she's going to be the coolest person at the party. 0:03:25.287 --> 0:03:25.647 It's true. 0:03:25.687 --> 0:03:28.007 It's why I say to all young women, don't laser 0:03:28.047 --> 0:03:30.807 off all your pubes because when the bush comes back. 0:03:30.967 --> 0:03:32.247 Do you think we have bush blindness? 0:03:32.767 --> 0:03:36.247 Well? No, I think everyone's fairly aware of their bush. 0:03:36.407 --> 0:03:38.647 If I asked you to describe your bush now, like 0:03:38.687 --> 0:03:40.607 I imagine you could do it. 0:03:40.607 --> 0:03:43.447 But are we blind to what actually looks good on 0:03:43.487 --> 0:03:47.487 our particular bush? And are we instead just going with 0:03:47.527 --> 0:03:48.167 the trends? 0:03:48.647 --> 0:03:49.047 Maybe? 0:03:49.927 --> 0:03:53.887 Isn't it with your bush? It bore suits your personality 0:03:52.887 --> 0:04:01.767 than your body a little less personality forward, bushes are 0:04:01.847 --> 0:04:02.807 very specific. 0:04:03.087 --> 0:04:05.247 Landing strip still a thing because I think a landing 0:04:05.287 --> 0:04:10.047 strip looking back was very a mustache for your bits 0:04:10.287 --> 0:04:12.447 like you look back, and that was never cool. But 0:04:12.487 --> 0:04:14.207 we did it because I think sex and the City 0:04:14.207 --> 0:04:14.647 told us to. 0:04:15.727 --> 0:04:17.687 Well, the bush won't be able to make a comeback 0:04:17.727 --> 0:04:20.967 when all the gin Z's and millennials have lasered everything 0:04:21.007 --> 0:04:24.007 to oblivion. Then when they all need mercans, maybe I 0:04:24.047 --> 0:04:25.127 need an eyebrown merkin. 0:04:25.247 --> 0:04:31.367 Yes, I definitely do so if you stammer there thanking 0:04:31.487 --> 0:04:36.847 and greeting the supporters, the beaming smile as he shakes hands. 0:04:38.287 --> 0:04:42.647 I have just returned from Buckingham Palace, where I accepted 0:04:42.767 --> 0:04:47.527 an invitation from His Majesty the King to form the 0:04:47.527 --> 0:04:50.487 next government of this great nation. 0:04:51.327 --> 0:04:53.807 The UK has a new Prime minister and nobody cares 0:04:53.847 --> 0:04:56.007 at all. At least that's what Mia told me in 0:04:56.047 --> 0:04:59.447 our funning meeting this morning. But it's so relevant and 0:04:59.607 --> 0:05:03.287 so interesting and so canarian a coal mine. I said, 0:05:03.687 --> 0:05:05.567 we're going to have an election here next year. 0:05:05.607 --> 0:05:08.207 I said, Look, and I said, I am so deep 0:05:08.247 --> 0:05:11.887 in panic and rage the US election. I don't have 0:05:11.967 --> 0:05:14.087 time to care about the elections in other countries that 0:05:14.127 --> 0:05:15.127 I also don't live in. 0:05:15.207 --> 0:05:17.527 But this is why you need to write. Because we're 0:05:17.567 --> 0:05:20.047 having an election next year. France is having one right now, 0:05:20.127 --> 0:05:23.927 America's having one. Politics is sexy at the moment. 0:05:24.007 --> 0:05:26.087 Well, I would say politics is drunk and it needs 0:05:26.087 --> 0:05:26.527 to go hard. 0:05:26.607 --> 0:05:28.567 That is also true, and that's why when I was 0:05:28.567 --> 0:05:30.687 telling you this, she just started taking pictures of the 0:05:30.687 --> 0:05:33.727 cuff of Jesse's jeans and jangling her shoe jewelry. I 0:05:33.767 --> 0:05:36.087 was so good here are my three attempts to get 0:05:36.087 --> 0:05:39.767 mea to care about international politics and by extension, everybody else. 0:05:39.847 --> 0:05:41.607 I will give you one point to start with, which 0:05:41.687 --> 0:05:44.247 is that I keep reading this stat that almost half 0:05:44.247 --> 0:05:46.087 of the world's population is going to the polls this 0:05:46.167 --> 0:05:49.047 year twenty twenty four. Watershed moment will change the course 0:05:49.047 --> 0:05:51.327 of history. Because of how many elections are happening, we 0:05:51.327 --> 0:05:52.767 should be keeping a closer It. 0:05:52.807 --> 0:05:57.247 Makes me terrify a close eye. Okay, first thing, although 0:05:57.327 --> 0:06:01.167 Kirstarmer and Labor did win a massive landslide victory, the 0:06:01.247 --> 0:06:05.007 shit skirt, which is the analogy we invented when Theresa 0:06:05.047 --> 0:06:07.287 May got that job a long time ago, and basically 0:06:07.327 --> 0:06:09.767 means that yes, you win, but you end up wearing 0:06:09.847 --> 0:06:11.887 a whole lot of stinky mess that the other people 0:06:12.007 --> 0:06:15.647 left behind is definitely what Kia is going to be 0:06:15.687 --> 0:06:18.607 modeling this season, because Britain is still in a right 0:06:18.647 --> 0:06:21.527 mess and the Tories might have a very long way back. 0:06:21.807 --> 0:06:24.207 But he's got a lot to do for me. 0:06:24.247 --> 0:06:24.487 Here. 0:06:24.887 --> 0:06:28.007 Kiir Sarma, they said he ran a ming var's campaign, 0:06:28.087 --> 0:06:32.647 meaning like fragile, don't touch it, like it just low target, 0:06:32.767 --> 0:06:35.487 small target, don't look at me. Let's just stand here 0:06:35.527 --> 0:06:36.607 and let the others just lose it. 0:06:36.647 --> 0:06:38.567 And then we discussed last week that he has Friday 0:06:38.647 --> 0:06:39.247 nights off. 0:06:39.127 --> 0:06:42.887 And he has Friday nights off, etc. Anyway, he and 0:06:43.007 --> 0:06:46.287 his party, the Labor Party, won a historic four hundred 0:06:46.327 --> 0:06:49.087 and twelve seats, which is a lot more than they needed. 0:06:49.087 --> 0:06:52.327 So greedy. But also when you consider that the Tories, 0:06:52.327 --> 0:06:53.967 who were the party who had been in power and 0:06:53.967 --> 0:06:56.007 they're the next major party, only won one hundred and 0:06:56.007 --> 0:06:56.927 twenty one seats. 0:06:57.047 --> 0:06:59.687 Why were people so angry with them? Apart from you know, 0:06:59.767 --> 0:07:00.927 Boris Johnson. 0:07:00.687 --> 0:07:04.647 Which was because they'd had fourteen years in power and 0:07:05.167 --> 0:07:08.527 Britain is in a terrible state, remember that whole Brexit situation. 0:07:09.407 --> 0:07:11.287 M He's in the toilet, a whole lot of stuff, 0:07:11.367 --> 0:07:15.087 public services are failing. So on the surface it looks 0:07:15.167 --> 0:07:18.167 like wow, amazing, right, Keir Starmer and the Labor Party 0:07:18.287 --> 0:07:21.927 killed it. But only fifty nine percent of the people 0:07:21.967 --> 0:07:25.887 eligible to vote voted, so it's not compulsory. Almost half 0:07:25.927 --> 0:07:28.087 of the people who could vote in Britain just went 0:07:28.327 --> 0:07:31.447 neither of these two thanks, and of those people who did, 0:07:31.567 --> 0:07:34.287 only thirty four percent of them actually voted for Labor. 0:07:34.567 --> 0:07:36.567 It's just that the way that the electoral system vote 0:07:36.607 --> 0:07:38.847 works there, which I won't tell you about because please 0:07:38.927 --> 0:07:42.567 don't stab me with her cake knife necklace. There's just 0:07:42.607 --> 0:07:45.127 a general apathy summed up by this. 0:07:45.127 --> 0:07:49.207 Dude serious invob I mean you put another pickhead in 0:07:49.287 --> 0:07:52.687 charge with a great smiley space when he's one life wrilliant. 0:07:52.927 --> 0:07:55.567 But for a year we're back to pits por agan 0:07:56.847 --> 0:08:02.207 I mean serious hipov And honestly it's a joke. It's 0:08:02.247 --> 0:08:06.087 a fing joke. So like I said, you see ai Lot, Yeah, 0:08:06.087 --> 0:08:07.727 who would have win the votes get the Ai Lot 0:08:07.767 --> 0:08:08.647 to run the country. 0:08:09.007 --> 0:08:10.807 This ardly points to the point that we've got it 0:08:10.887 --> 0:08:14.047 right with forcing people to vote here, because you end 0:08:14.127 --> 0:08:17.687 up with a more representative result. Let's free will. That's 0:08:17.727 --> 0:08:21.447 the takeaway. Number two. Holly Valance had a good night? 0:08:21.847 --> 0:08:22.447 Did she? 0:08:22.447 --> 0:08:22.807 She did? 0:08:22.927 --> 0:08:25.007 I would have thought she was the poster girl for 0:08:25.047 --> 0:08:27.367 the he had a good night. 0:08:27.487 --> 0:08:29.367 So we talked a while ago about how one of 0:08:29.407 --> 0:08:32.487 the biggest movers and shakers in UK right wing politics 0:08:32.967 --> 0:08:36.367 used to be a literal mover and shaker from the 0:08:36.407 --> 0:08:41.847 two thousand and two banger Kiss Kiss also Melbane's own Flicksculli. Anyway, 0:08:42.967 --> 0:08:47.047 she gave the Reform UK Party a massive check and 0:08:47.087 --> 0:08:49.687 then helped them to raise another one point five million 0:08:49.767 --> 0:08:52.767 pounds to bring Nigel Farage back from America where he 0:08:52.807 --> 0:08:55.967 was running around like picking up after Donald Trump because 0:08:56.607 --> 0:08:58.567 he was the Brexit guy I remember, although he's never 0:08:58.647 --> 0:09:01.247 actually been a member of parliament in Britain. They got 0:09:01.287 --> 0:09:02.767 him to come back. We talked about this on the 0:09:02.767 --> 0:09:06.087 show a while ago. Come back oust the leader of 0:09:06.287 --> 0:09:09.047 the Reform Party, which is the sort of ozim getting 0:09:09.047 --> 0:09:10.367 bored far right party. 0:09:10.407 --> 0:09:12.447 No I care about this because I've heard his name. 0:09:12.367 --> 0:09:16.007 A lot and stand so Holly is a massive fan 0:09:16.047 --> 0:09:18.527 of Nigel's and she raised all the money to get 0:09:18.527 --> 0:09:21.767 them to do it. So Reform UK are like a 0:09:21.807 --> 0:09:24.367 Brexit party, but now that they can't blame Europe for 0:09:24.367 --> 0:09:26.287 everything anymore, they're a bit unsure of who to blame. 0:09:26.327 --> 0:09:29.887 But it's definitely the immigrants, so that she'd right, they're 0:09:29.927 --> 0:09:33.167 hard right. She also held a big fancy fundraiser for 0:09:33.207 --> 0:09:35.127 Donald Trump in London last week and raised lots of 0:09:35.167 --> 0:09:38.167 money for him too, which is nice anyway. The point being, 0:09:38.207 --> 0:09:41.847 with Holly's help, Reform only won four seats, but the 0:09:41.887 --> 0:09:44.767 reason that you're seeing them everywhere is because Farage got 0:09:44.847 --> 0:09:46.807 voted into Parliament for the first time, which means that 0:09:46.887 --> 0:09:50.127 in there he can hassle and effect change. And because 0:09:50.167 --> 0:09:52.607 of the aforementioned voting system that I'm not going to 0:09:52.647 --> 0:09:56.207 go into. Are about four million people voted for them. 0:09:56.407 --> 0:09:59.247 That's a lot by people, right, So now that they're 0:09:59.327 --> 0:10:03.727 free to organize influence from the inside, the big fear is, well, 0:10:03.767 --> 0:10:05.327 it depends on way. It might not be a fear. 0:10:05.327 --> 0:10:06.167 It's not a fear for Holly. 0:10:06.247 --> 0:10:08.207 We're not going to have to do deals like Labor's 0:10:08.207 --> 0:10:09.567 not going to have to do deals with them if 0:10:09.607 --> 0:10:10.927 they've got a massive. 0:10:11.007 --> 0:10:12.847 Not what they're worried about. What people are worried about 0:10:13.007 --> 0:10:16.047 is that Farag's point and Reform UK's point is that 0:10:16.047 --> 0:10:18.327 they're going to infiltrate the Tories and take it over 0:10:18.407 --> 0:10:20.967 so they will become like. 0:10:20.967 --> 0:10:22.887 Donald Trump has with the Republic of Party. 0:10:23.447 --> 0:10:25.967 So basically Labor would have to do deals with anyone. 0:10:26.007 --> 0:10:29.247 As you say, they've got massive majority, but it validates them, 0:10:29.327 --> 0:10:31.447 It brings them into Parliament where they weren't before, and 0:10:31.487 --> 0:10:33.527 it means that they can start influencing the Tories because 0:10:33.527 --> 0:10:35.287 the Tories, who are all going we've all just lost 0:10:35.287 --> 0:10:35.807 our seats. 0:10:35.927 --> 0:10:37.607 I see, what are we going to do? 0:10:37.687 --> 0:10:38.487 Where's the future? 0:10:39.167 --> 0:10:42.047 It's over here, apparently it's over here on the hard right. 0:10:42.207 --> 0:10:45.767 And very like what happened at the Australian election when 0:10:45.807 --> 0:10:48.847 a lot of the more sort of centrist and liberal 0:10:49.167 --> 0:10:52.927 Liberals lost their seats to teals, that's kind of what's 0:10:53.007 --> 0:10:56.127 happened at the UK election, which brings me to the 0:10:56.167 --> 0:10:58.247 third point, which is remember when we used to only 0:10:58.287 --> 0:11:01.007 have like three TV channels or four TV channels and 0:11:01.047 --> 0:11:04.287 now we have a bitch of million. Yeah, that's what 0:11:04.327 --> 0:11:06.127 politics like. I reckon, there's going to be a time 0:11:06.127 --> 0:11:08.447 when we were going to go Can you remember how 0:11:08.487 --> 0:11:10.487 we just used to have to choose from these two 0:11:11.087 --> 0:11:14.567 big parties. Because what happened in Britain, even though it 0:11:14.607 --> 0:11:18.527 looks on the surface again like a landslide, the independence 0:11:18.727 --> 0:11:21.527 and the smaller parties cleaned up, so the Libdems who 0:11:21.527 --> 0:11:24.727 are like their third party, So think of like the Democrats. 0:11:25.207 --> 0:11:28.287 Right when the Democrats were a thing in Australia, they 0:11:28.527 --> 0:11:31.327 won seventy one seats as in seventy one more than 0:11:31.327 --> 0:11:33.607 they had in the last election. They cleaned up in 0:11:33.647 --> 0:11:36.727 the South of England, like all the Tory voters who 0:11:36.727 --> 0:11:39.607 couldn't bring themselves to vote conservative anymore. They're not the 0:11:39.607 --> 0:11:41.647 far right people who wanted to vote for Farach, so 0:11:41.887 --> 0:11:43.167 they got all of those people. 0:11:43.207 --> 0:11:43.927 So what you're. 0:11:43.727 --> 0:11:47.407 Saying is that the old two party system is sort 0:11:47.407 --> 0:11:49.887 of collapsing everywhere in the world. I mean, we're seeing 0:11:50.007 --> 0:11:53.047 over the weekend in France as well. People thought that 0:11:53.087 --> 0:11:54.687 it was going to go far right, but now there's 0:11:54.687 --> 0:11:57.287 been a coalition among the Greens and the left and 0:11:57.327 --> 0:11:58.407 it looks like maybe. 0:11:58.167 --> 0:12:03.167 They'll take power. People don't want that binary choice anymore. 0:12:02.847 --> 0:12:04.407 Just like we want more tvgions. 0:12:04.647 --> 0:12:07.327 What will personalization curate everything curation? 0:12:07.967 --> 0:12:10.847 I was reading that the same thing is a threat 0:12:10.887 --> 0:12:13.847 to Biden in the US in terms of the people 0:12:13.847 --> 0:12:15.967 who might vote for him are instead looking at other 0:12:16.007 --> 0:12:17.767 parties the more represent their interests. 0:12:17.847 --> 0:12:20.447 That's not the way the US election works so much 0:12:20.527 --> 0:12:23.367 in that third party candidates have always split the vote 0:12:23.807 --> 0:12:26.807 depending on where we get left right. I think the 0:12:26.847 --> 0:12:29.767 biggest problem in the US is what old Mates said 0:12:29.807 --> 0:12:34.487 in the beginning, which is just that disaffected politics is broken. 0:12:34.527 --> 0:12:37.887 If we've got two elderly men, one is a liar 0:12:38.047 --> 0:12:41.607 and one is not fit for office, anymore clearly, how 0:12:41.687 --> 0:12:42.807 is our system so broken? 0:12:42.807 --> 0:12:44.207 And why should I vote for either of them? 0:12:44.287 --> 0:12:47.807 So that speaks to two trends that I've kind of 0:12:47.887 --> 0:12:50.967 noticed a lot of analysis about lately. The first is 0:12:51.327 --> 0:12:53.767 Ezra Kline, who is one of my favorite political commentators, 0:12:53.807 --> 0:12:56.247 says that the big divide isn't between left and right, 0:12:56.327 --> 0:13:00.127 it's between people who are interested in politics and people 0:13:00.127 --> 0:13:03.007 who aren't. So what we heard in that clip is 0:13:03.047 --> 0:13:07.687 that there is this disaffected majority who won't vote, who 0:13:07.687 --> 0:13:11.447 don't feel represented by anyone, who were just tapping out. 0:13:11.887 --> 0:13:14.887 And then almost the laughter of the journalist represented the 0:13:14.927 --> 0:13:18.207 other class, which is this you know, often portrayed as 0:13:18.207 --> 0:13:21.567 almost an intellectual elite who were kind of fighting at 0:13:21.607 --> 0:13:24.207 the top, where it's like the average person doesn't give 0:13:24.207 --> 0:13:26.047 a shit about this because they don't have their capacity. 0:13:26.087 --> 0:13:30.647 Their lives are full and complicated and this is just 0:13:30.807 --> 0:13:32.687 not at the top of their priorities. 0:13:32.727 --> 0:13:35.567 Also explains why the average person who doesn't give a 0:13:35.567 --> 0:13:38.487 shit about politics, isn't watching insiders, isn't reading the political 0:13:38.487 --> 0:13:41.607 analysis and all that stuff on the ABC will generally 0:13:41.687 --> 0:13:44.087 tune into politics about two weeks before they have to vote, 0:13:44.567 --> 0:13:48.167 maybe a month generously, and then they're just looking around 0:13:48.167 --> 0:13:50.407 for like what's what right. And one of the things 0:13:50.447 --> 0:13:52.407 that was interesting after the UK election, which you know 0:13:52.487 --> 0:13:55.327 had been hailed as this big historic shift, is that 0:13:55.367 --> 0:13:58.327 the most memorable moments from the campaign were all gaffes, 0:13:59.047 --> 0:14:02.607 like memes, the moment of Rishi Sunak, you know, announcing 0:14:02.647 --> 0:14:04.567 the election in the rain that we talked about on 0:14:04.607 --> 0:14:07.247 the show. The Lib Dems, thellier decided to be like 0:14:07.287 --> 0:14:09.367 Boris Johnson and just do lots of crazy stunts. So 0:14:09.407 --> 0:14:12.407 it's like bungee jumping off shit and you know, sort 0:14:12.447 --> 0:14:16.047 of paddle boarding on the Thames and anything that gets 0:14:16.047 --> 0:14:19.887 the cameras gets the memification going. Because most people, as 0:14:19.887 --> 0:14:22.007 you say, Jesse, who are just kind of like whatever, 0:14:22.447 --> 0:14:24.647 These people are all idiots as far as I can see, 0:14:24.727 --> 0:14:26.327 are just tuning in at the last minute and looking 0:14:26.327 --> 0:14:28.447 for color and movement, and that is the game you 0:14:28.487 --> 0:14:31.367 got to play now that I think had also this 0:14:31.847 --> 0:14:34.887 real fragmentation which we're also seeing here in Australia of 0:14:34.967 --> 0:14:38.647 like the broad churches so called of the left and 0:14:38.687 --> 0:14:42.687 the right aren't broad enough now. We want them more fragmented, 0:14:42.767 --> 0:14:44.167 more small and more personalized. 0:14:44.287 --> 0:14:47.567 We saw that with Fatima Payman in Australia last week, 0:14:47.647 --> 0:14:49.607 where she was part of the Labor government. She didn't 0:14:49.607 --> 0:14:53.407 agree with their policy on Gaza and on Israel, so 0:14:53.487 --> 0:14:56.727 she left the party and is now an independent. 0:14:57.287 --> 0:14:58.727 So it's interesting because. 0:14:58.567 --> 0:15:01.727 Political parties used to always be, as you say, wholly 0:15:01.767 --> 0:15:04.167 a broad church, and there would be things that you 0:15:04.167 --> 0:15:06.647 would agree with in things that you wouldn't. For example, 0:15:06.687 --> 0:15:08.527 when Penny Wong was part of the ALP and the 0:15:08.647 --> 0:15:13.287 official was against marriage equality and at the time, and 0:15:13.287 --> 0:15:15.647 as a gay woman, that was obviously very difficult for 0:15:15.687 --> 0:15:18.487 her personally, but she understood that as part of the 0:15:18.487 --> 0:15:21.607 party you have to back the party's position. Now it's 0:15:21.607 --> 0:15:24.247 not like that in every political party. Some parties in 0:15:24.247 --> 0:15:26.407 Australia let you cross the floor. The Liberals are more 0:15:26.447 --> 0:15:29.647 relaxed about it. In the ALP they're not. And there's 0:15:29.647 --> 0:15:33.087 a lot of talk about whether with this more fragmented 0:15:33.567 --> 0:15:38.527 niche approach of both voters and MPs, is politics splintering and. 0:15:39.407 --> 0:15:44.127 A focus on true representation and diversity in politics actually 0:15:44.167 --> 0:15:47.767 having people who represent the electorate, whereas you know, not 0:15:47.847 --> 0:15:49.407 that long ago it was only white men, so it 0:15:49.487 --> 0:15:52.287 might have been easier to reach a consensus because they 0:15:52.367 --> 0:15:55.367 weren't even attempting to represent the entire election. 0:15:55.487 --> 0:15:57.687 This is why people get so disaffected though, Right, is 0:15:57.727 --> 0:16:00.007 that in order to reach a consensus, that's often why 0:16:00.047 --> 0:16:02.087 you're doing deals. Right, So you're saying, if you will 0:16:02.087 --> 0:16:03.847 back us on this, then I'll give you a little 0:16:03.887 --> 0:16:05.127 bit of that. And you know, we see that in 0:16:05.127 --> 0:16:08.087 American politics all the time when actually Congress kinds of 0:16:08.087 --> 0:16:11.807 gets locked and can't move anymore, gets paralyzed by its 0:16:11.847 --> 0:16:14.407 deal making and it's giving too much and taking too much. 0:16:15.247 --> 0:16:17.447 And the thing is is that it's very hard to 0:16:17.487 --> 0:16:21.767 reach consensus if you're not going to stand behind a 0:16:21.807 --> 0:16:24.207 party line and say I'm always going to be true 0:16:24.207 --> 0:16:27.127 to my values, which is absolutely admirable, and we all 0:16:27.167 --> 0:16:30.727 know we live in a more personal, brand, values driven world. 0:16:31.287 --> 0:16:35.087 How do you get big movements happening and get change 0:16:35.447 --> 0:16:36.287 across the line? 0:16:36.367 --> 0:16:39.287 I read this analysis that it's not the job of 0:16:39.327 --> 0:16:44.687 the politician to generate favorability anymore, but to cast the 0:16:44.727 --> 0:16:47.607 other in a negative light, which goes to Joe Biden 0:16:47.647 --> 0:16:50.727 and Trump. I wonder if that is Biden's only strategy. 0:16:51.207 --> 0:16:55.807 Give Donald Trump enough room and he'll kind of be 0:16:55.887 --> 0:16:58.087 responsible for enough gaffs that he won't even have to 0:16:58.127 --> 0:16:59.567 be favorably. 0:16:59.727 --> 0:17:02.447 It's actually the opposite. That's exactly what Donald Trump's doing. 0:17:02.567 --> 0:17:05.367 He's actually been very quiet since the debate, and now 0:17:05.407 --> 0:17:08.047 all everybody's talking about is not all the lies that 0:17:08.087 --> 0:17:10.847 Donald Trump told, the fact that he's a convicted fell 0:17:11.087 --> 0:17:14.527 and a lunatic. They're talking about Biden and this is 0:17:14.527 --> 0:17:17.607 the problem. And as we record this, he's still the 0:17:17.647 --> 0:17:21.447 candidate and refuses to step down. Now the rest of 0:17:21.447 --> 0:17:24.047 the campaign, all the oxygen is going to be about 0:17:24.047 --> 0:17:26.727 whether Biden's fit for office, which is hilarious given that 0:17:27.287 --> 0:17:28.727 he's running against the truck. 0:17:28.767 --> 0:17:31.287 He knows how to use a news cycle. And the 0:17:31.407 --> 0:17:33.887 prolonged result of this, I suppose digital media has been 0:17:33.927 --> 0:17:37.567 fifteen twenty years clickbait, headlines, anger, all of those things 0:17:37.967 --> 0:17:41.607 happens with an algorithm, means that this negative political environment. 0:17:42.007 --> 0:17:45.047 The result of that is that we've just lost faith 0:17:45.087 --> 0:17:46.807 in the political process and no one wants to vote. 0:17:46.847 --> 0:17:49.807 That's how we end up, which is quite sad. Our 0:17:49.887 --> 0:17:52.247 News podcast The Quickie is going to talk more about 0:17:52.247 --> 0:17:55.007 the French election on Wednesday, after the polls have closed 0:17:55.087 --> 0:17:57.767 and we have all the results. Claire Murphy will explain 0:17:57.967 --> 0:18:00.807 how all of this will tie into the Olympics, which 0:18:00.847 --> 0:18:03.327 is being held in Paris starts this month. 0:18:12.407 --> 0:18:13.207 This is madness. 0:18:13.327 --> 0:18:17.367 Hey, yeah, this is your mom and your boss. 0:18:16.967 --> 0:18:17.767 Who you hate. 0:18:18.327 --> 0:18:24.247 It's weird mom. Over the weekend, I found myself having 0:18:24.367 --> 0:18:28.367 several arguments about one man's face. You might have seen 0:18:28.407 --> 0:18:31.247 a new movie on Netflix called A Family Affair, starring 0:18:31.327 --> 0:18:35.007 Nicole Kidman, Joey King, and Zac Efron. And while women's 0:18:35.047 --> 0:18:38.487 faces are often the subject of much speculation and chatter, 0:18:38.847 --> 0:18:41.167 and I must say, in this film, Nicole Kidman's face 0:18:41.207 --> 0:18:42.447 has come up, but we're going to leave that to 0:18:42.487 --> 0:18:46.767 the side this time. It's thirty six year old Efron's 0:18:46.807 --> 0:18:50.247 appearance that has attracted a great deal of commentary. Here's 0:18:50.287 --> 0:18:54.807 what the Internet is saying. Netflix fans all have the 0:18:54.807 --> 0:18:57.767 same complaint about the new Nicole Kidman and Zac Efron movie. 0:18:58.087 --> 0:19:02.247 Fans alarmed by zac Efron's face, zac Efron fans confused 0:19:02.247 --> 0:19:05.967 by dramatic transformation, and so on. So if you haven't 0:19:05.967 --> 0:19:08.767 seen Efron lately, we've posted a picture on the mummea 0:19:08.767 --> 0:19:10.927 out loud in Instagram. But the shape of his jaw 0:19:11.007 --> 0:19:14.327 has changed considerably and his lips his. 0:19:14.207 --> 0:19:16.767 Whole face and his forehead and his eyes. 0:19:17.087 --> 0:19:18.327 He looks like David Hazelhoff. 0:19:18.407 --> 0:19:18.607 Now. 0:19:19.287 --> 0:19:23.007 While fans were asking what Efron did to his beautiful face, 0:19:23.087 --> 0:19:26.287 a story resurfaced about an accident Efron had more than 0:19:26.287 --> 0:19:29.687