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Speaker 3: Happy in a year Spillers, Mamma MIA's Hot Pot Summer

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Speaker 3: continues with more of our absolute favorite moments of the year.

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Speaker 2: And today we're resharing well one of my favorite episodes

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Speaker 2: of the entire year. It's our favorite problematic rom coms

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Speaker 2: of all time and why we still love them. From

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia. Welcome to the spill your daily pop culture fix.

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Speaker 2: I'm Laura Brodnick.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Charlie Beg.

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Speaker 4: Today there's news about one of our favorite rom coms

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Speaker 4: returning for another sequel, but we're a little concerned about

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Speaker 4: its somewhat problematic past.

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Speaker 2: But first Award season is pretty much over for the

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Speaker 2: TV industry. We've seen some highs, we've seen some lows,

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Speaker 2: and we think overall we found a bit of a winner,

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Speaker 2: our most valuable player, if you want to say, from

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Speaker 2: the award season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Literally, she's cleaning up all the awards for her work

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Speaker 4: on the Bear. But I owe a debris if the

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Speaker 4: peebles within her for basically trolling us the entire Award season,

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Speaker 4: her facial expressions, the things she says. She's one of

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Speaker 4: those people that I wish I was finny, Like that's

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Speaker 4: just she's so naturally funny and quick.

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Speaker 3: You can tell it just part of her personality.

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Speaker 4: She's not putting anything on and she just says what

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Speaker 4: some seriously memorable moments throughout the Golden Globes, the Emmys,

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Speaker 4: thank all of her team's assistance.

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Speaker 2: There's some people who I probably forgot to thank. Oh

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Speaker 2: my god, all of my agents and managers, assistance to

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Speaker 2: you for answering my crazy, crazy emails that I mean,

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Speaker 2: I didn't even find that funny. That was just not real,

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Speaker 2: Like a lot of people that really make your career happen,

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Speaker 4: I think, what is It's not that she's funny. I

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Speaker 4: really is honest. Another time, she was asked about what

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Speaker 4: Real And then finally, she was asked what she would

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Speaker 2: So I think if that happened to me, I would

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Speaker 2: So that's just science. But that's not science.

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Speaker 2: So we have an update on some movie news that's

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Speaker 2: you're a fan of the Bridget Jones movie franchise. I

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Speaker 2: the people listening to this podcast probably are, because there

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Speaker 1: This was the mysterious mister right I've been waiting my

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Speaker 2: Do you remember Bridget?

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Speaker 2: Oh that actually does surprise me, because most rom comms,

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Speaker 4: So he plays Mike and she plays Abby, and Mike

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Speaker 4: Written by three women. Catherine Heigel is an executive producer

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Speaker 4: It's just I've seen you in Jim Class. You run

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Speaker 2: It's also there was a big moment in time where

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Speaker 2: So it's a teen romantic comedy. It's got the best cast,

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Speaker 4: It's extremely problematic, but it's set in Hawaiian Who doesn't

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Speaker 3: The world needs the Avatar.

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Speaker 4: Who needs you name? The Fire Nation is history that

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