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Speaker 1: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma MIA's daily news podcast,

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Speaker 1: The Quickie. After weeks of questioning his ability to go again,

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Speaker 1: President Joe Biden has succumbed to increasing calls for him

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Speaker 1: election this coming November. For just thirty minutes after he

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Speaker 1: went public with that news, President Biden also made it

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Speaker 1: clear that he now supports his Vice President Kamala Harris

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Speaker 1: to replace him. Before we delve into what happens now

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Speaker 1: and who else might be in the position to lead

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Speaker 1: the Democrats now that Biden is out, here's the letters

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Speaker 1: from the Cookie Newsroom. Tuesday, July twenty three. The cost

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Speaker 1: of the defamation case between Liberal Senator Linda Reynolds and

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Speaker 1: her former staff a Britney Higgins has been laid bare,

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Speaker 1: with both sides risking their financial futures to fight it.

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Speaker 1: It's been revealed that the new home that now pregnant

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Speaker 1: Britney Higgins bore caught in France on leaving Australia to

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Speaker 1: against her rapist, Bruce Lherman, one where the criminal charges

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Speaker 1: found on probability that mister Lehman did rape Miss Higgins

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Speaker 1: in Parliament House in twenty nineteen, will have to be

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Speaker 1: sold to pay for lawyers who are fighting claims from

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Speaker 1: Senator Reynolds that her reputation was damaged by social media

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Speaker 1: posts by Miss Higgins and her husband, David Charraz. Senator

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Speaker 1: Reynolds lawyers have also previously confirmed that she's taken out

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Speaker 1: but if Miss Higgins loses the case, she'll be liable

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Speaker 1: potentially leaving her millions of dollars in debt. The charge

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Speaker 1: since President Joe Biden abruptly ended his run for reelection,

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Speaker 1: Vice President Kamla Harris has hailed Biden's career and launched

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Speaker 1: Biden in the aftermath of his announcement that he's stepping down.

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Speaker 1: Harris saying his legacy over the last three years is

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Speaker 1: grateful for. She also said that Biden, who's recovering from

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Speaker 1: Harris saying she'll do everything in her power to earn

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Speaker 1: even a real person. The admission was outlined in a

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Speaker 1: submission to the Senate Committee looking into the Deep Fakes bill,

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Speaker 1: make sexually explicit images. The committee is chaired by Labour

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Speaker 1: Senator Nita Green, who says they know most deep fakes

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Speaker 1: The proposed laws would attach a six year sentence to

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Speaker 1: any adult who's been found to have shared deep fake

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Speaker 1: Lively posted picks of her on set with her husband,

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Speaker 1: whom he faithfully served as vice president? US President Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden has had some time to think these past few days.

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Speaker 1: Diagnosed with COVID last week, he was isolating at home

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Speaker 3: My fellow Americans, over the past three and a half years,

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Speaker 4: One of the things is most communities don't really begin

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Speaker 1: That's the President speaking to radio host Louis Sandoval on

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Speaker 1: Televisio Univision. But anonymous sources close to Democratic Party internal

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Speaker 1: Biden had faithfully served as Obama's vice president, Obama even

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Speaker 4: And I'm going to continue to move until we get

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Speaker 4: the total ban on the total initiative relative to what

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Speaker 4: President Trump, I really don't know what he said at

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Speaker 4: the end of this center.

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Speaker 5: I don't think he knows what he said either.

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Speaker 1: And a failure to gain any ground in interviews that

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Speaker 4: Now I want to hand it over to the President Ukraine,

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Speaker 4: who has as much courage as he has determination.

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Speaker 1: There are claims former President Barack Obama reached out to

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Speaker 1: time for his friend to end his run. Author and

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Speaker 1: the Obamas in their post presidential era. She says the

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Speaker 1: decision to ask their friend Biden to step away would

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Speaker 6: Everyone I talked to you said that President Obama is

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Speaker 6: There was a phone call between Obama and Biden that

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Speaker 1: Of us having this conversation. I have not seen the

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Speaker 1: as the replacement for Joe Biden in this race where

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of conversations about her doing this

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Speaker 1: Do you think she would consider it now?

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Speaker 6: I really don't think that she would. I think that

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Speaker 6: I think it might have more to do with their

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Speaker 6: I also think that putting her family through another four

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Speaker 6: by Republicans to kind of fear monger because imagine, there

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Speaker 1: In the wake of Biden's announcement, Donald Trump took to

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Speaker 2: This cooker, Joe Biden is the worst president by far

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Speaker 2: in the history of our nation. He has done everything

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Speaker 2: earth shattering debate, and now the corrupt and radical Democrats

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Speaker 1: He also posted that he doesn't believe Biden has COVID,

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Speaker 1: In the wake of his decision to not run again,

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden posted to social media that he now fully

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Speaker 1: endorsed his Vice president Kamala Harris as his replacement.

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Speaker 3: Today, I want to offer my full support and endorsement

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Speaker 3: this year. Democrats, It's time to come together.

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Speaker 1: Vice President Harris reportedly immediately got on the phone to

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Speaker 5: So she's on that ticket, that Biden Harris ticket right now.

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Speaker 5: I don't know why her polling has been so low. Look,

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Speaker 1: David, can I run a few names past you as

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Speaker 5: We don't know too much about him, but again you know,

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Speaker 1: So at the end, do we think that we're going

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't want to say anything right now.

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Speaker 6: I think that Kamala does have experience, because she ran

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Speaker 1: Mamma Mia Out Loud with Jesse Stevens, Holly Wainwright, and

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Speaker 1: Mia Friedman. Check it out wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning in today. If there's a new story

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Speaker 1: produced by me Claire Murphy and our senior producer, Taylor Strano,

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Speaker 1: with audio production by Tom Live