WEBVTT - Week 27: The Trick To Getting All Your Baby Supplies Without Spending A Fortune

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>I am pregnanty.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Hello Bump. We're making pregnancy less overwhelming and

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<v Speaker 2>more manageable. I'm Grace Rubray. I am pregnant for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time, and I'm starting to forget words. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to read this intro word for word from

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<v Speaker 2>my laptop because I may forget it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm you out of Pittman, former olympian. I'm now mother

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<v Speaker 3>of six and training to be an obstitrician and gynocologist.

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<v Speaker 2>Each episode, we're holding your hand week by week through

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<v Speaker 2>the mysterious, perplexing and sometimes but often exhausting miracle that

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<v Speaker 2>is pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 1>Week twenty seven this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a huge milestone. So how big is our baby?

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<v Speaker 1>Massive? The size of a melon or terranium?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's certainly feeling melon like like inside.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely a possum. There's an ossi animal possum. Animal possums

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<v Speaker 3>are Aussie.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh we've said sugar little.

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<v Speaker 3>I think about the fact very thing, you know, brush

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<v Speaker 3>tail possum possm Yeah, okay, good, yeah, all right, they're

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<v Speaker 3>thirty seven centimeters, so another big jump and nine hundred

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<v Speaker 3>gram so again approaching that one kilo mark.

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<v Speaker 2>What is happening for them and what features have they

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<v Speaker 2>developed or continued to develop this week?

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<v Speaker 3>I think continue to develop is actually the perfect way

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<v Speaker 3>to sort of phrase it, because baby is growing pretty

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<v Speaker 3>fast and maturing, but most of the main things are there.

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<v Speaker 3>It's now just getting bigger, stronger, and more effective, including

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<v Speaker 3>their immune system which is now becoming more sophisticated. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's around this time that you start getting the antibody

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<v Speaker 3>transfer from your placenta to your baby. So things that

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<v Speaker 3>you are being coming into contact with you will create

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<v Speaker 3>antibodies and that'll actually have placential transfer it crosses over

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<v Speaker 3>to your baby, which I think is very cool.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, so if you have a cold, yes, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you've fought it off, they're going to have it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure we'll talk about the RSV vaccine in

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<v Speaker 2>later episodes because we're coming up to that. But they're

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<v Speaker 2>starting to suck those things from you in a good way.

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<v Speaker 1>In a good way, yep. And there's the three of them.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, Grace Son.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to say now because it actually gives our

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<v Speaker 3>listeners some time to think about it when we do

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<v Speaker 3>discuss it down the track. We have three vaccinations we

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<v Speaker 3>talk about in pregnancy, which is influenza, can be any

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<v Speaker 3>time in pregnancy, your DTP, which is your potassis. So

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<v Speaker 3>hooping cough is rampant in Sydney at the moment. We

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<v Speaker 3>ideally like mums to have it, but at least if

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<v Speaker 3>you decide not to your family members, okay, so don't

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<v Speaker 3>let them bring it in the house. It needs to

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<v Speaker 3>be every pregnancy. So if grandma's saying I had it

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<v Speaker 3>last year for your brother's baby, she needs it again.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's important to know. And then, as you said,

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<v Speaker 3>RSPE is a new one that we're discussing, and then

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<v Speaker 3>COVID is optional, but it's you know, we have pretty

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<v Speaker 3>set guidelines because we want those antibodies to cross to

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<v Speaker 3>the baby to give them that protection in the first few.

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<v Speaker 1>Months of life.

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<v Speaker 2>I've actually just had my the hooping cough. Yes I

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<v Speaker 2>did a week or so ago, and then my partner's

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<v Speaker 2>going to get it as well. But how do you

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<v Speaker 2>kind of start that conversation with relatives or friends. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's not offensive to say you can't touch them. You

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<v Speaker 2>can't hold them. Is there any advice that you give

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<v Speaker 2>to your patients about how to start that conversation?

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<v Speaker 3>Super tough because obviously there's so much conversation around vaccinations.

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<v Speaker 3>People feel hard, you know, to vaccinate in pregnancy because

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<v Speaker 3>they're worried about outcomes.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's really tough to make someone you.

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<v Speaker 3>Have a discussion around whether they are going to have

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<v Speaker 3>a vaccination and they're not the pregnant one, particularly if

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<v Speaker 3>it's your partner.

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<v Speaker 1>Boy that would cause some issues.

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<v Speaker 3>At home, I'm sure, but again it's everybody's an individual thing,

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<v Speaker 3>and you have to do what's right for you and

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<v Speaker 3>your baby in your own vaccination program, but also in

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<v Speaker 3>those that visit you, and you are absolutely allowed to say,

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<v Speaker 3>even if it's the person you love most, that I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to expose my baby to something that could

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<v Speaker 3>harm them. So I think that is a responsible parental

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<v Speaker 3>role rather than being awful and for.

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<v Speaker 1>Many, many weeks away.

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<v Speaker 3>But that conversation is hard because everyone wants to say

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<v Speaker 3>hello to your baby. Everybody comes in and it is

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<v Speaker 3>time for you to bond with them and be your

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<v Speaker 3>little family. So having some little pre written messages or

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<v Speaker 3>actually preempt it, like actually send messages to all your

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<v Speaker 3>families and friends saying we love you, but just letting

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<v Speaker 3>you know. This is our quirky prerequisites of what's required

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<v Speaker 3>before you be able to come hover, Bring a plate

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<v Speaker 3>of food, be vaccinated, and only come at this time

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<v Speaker 3>of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>You put the kettle on, because they will not be

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<v Speaker 2>doing anything for you. Exactly what's happening to me? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we started to talk about it, what's happening with our

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<v Speaker 2>body or the things that we might be looking at,

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<v Speaker 2>but what else is happening for the mother? At twenty

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<v Speaker 2>seven weeks?

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<v Speaker 3>Time to start talking about stretch marks. Now, a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of the marginetic okay, so don't feel bad if no

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<v Speaker 3>matter how much cream you're putting on and you're trying

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<v Speaker 3>really hard, they just appear. So some of us are

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<v Speaker 3>lucky don't get any, but yet other things and some aren't,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Do they go away? Not really?

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<v Speaker 3>They often shrink, you know, like some people find that

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<v Speaker 3>they have very little, so you know, they might be

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<v Speaker 3>quite light and then they fade over years to come.

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<v Speaker 3>There's certainly people that have treatment and you know, laser

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<v Speaker 3>therapian things I've heard.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never tried it because.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm lucky one that doesn't have them. But I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's one of those things they're change the narrative around it.

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<v Speaker 3>Like if you get stretch marks on your belly, just

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<v Speaker 3>like a caesarean, you know scar, if you have it,

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<v Speaker 3>they're the beautiful marks of you growing your baby. And

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<v Speaker 3>so you know, I have a few friends who are

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<v Speaker 3>African American descent and they have some of the most

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<v Speaker 3>wicked stretch marks I've ever seen, and they still run.

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<v Speaker 3>They aften athletes, They still run in their two pieces

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<v Speaker 3>and they just like, look at this, this is me

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<v Speaker 3>growing my baby and proof that I've done incredible thing

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm coming out and attacking the world again.

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<v Speaker 1>So again.

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<v Speaker 3>And a lot of the time it's about our perception

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<v Speaker 3>of what other people are going to think about our bodies,

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<v Speaker 3>when actually it should be Wow, I had the privilege

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<v Speaker 3>to be a woman who carried a baby, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>these are the marks I'm left with.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a hard conversation to have because a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people don't have a great relationship with their body changing

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<v Speaker 2>beyond their control. And that can be something from like

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<v Speaker 2>a body dysmorphous situation or bad eating habits or history

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<v Speaker 2>of any type of eating disorder. So if people haven't

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<v Speaker 2>found that joy within the change in their body, what

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<v Speaker 2>are some of the things that they can do to

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<v Speaker 2>help their mental space around that.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's a tough one. I think we've sort of

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<v Speaker 3>touched on it. I think reaching out and talking about

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<v Speaker 3>it is a big one if it really is playing

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<v Speaker 3>like I have, I had needing disorder as an athlete,

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<v Speaker 3>I had quite significant disordered eating regime which almost went

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<v Speaker 3>away as from a sport when you know, sort of ended.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think it's really important to acknowledge that that's

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<v Speaker 3>the case. Talk to a few people, find out what

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<v Speaker 3>your triggers are, and you know, that's the time where

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<v Speaker 3>you've got to be really careful with intoad like we

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<v Speaker 3>talked about before, where you're not doing that comparisons to

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<v Speaker 3>others because everybody's so beautiful and so different, and it

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<v Speaker 3>might be time that you need to check in with

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<v Speaker 3>a psychologists if it's truly plaguing you in that space,

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<v Speaker 3>because it's you know, it is a remarkable thing, but

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<v Speaker 3>so many of us can't see the wood through the trees,

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<v Speaker 3>like it's just you're so caught up in the moment

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<v Speaker 3>and the emotions and the hormones and everything. But I

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<v Speaker 3>can tell you one lovely thing, is it is true

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<v Speaker 3>that when that baby arrives, you're very distracted, so you're not.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to care. I love that. Is this normal?

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<v Speaker 1>Is normal?

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<v Speaker 2>Now? Is this normal having another ultrasound? Because some people

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<v Speaker 2>who told me they have had a thirty week ultrasound

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<v Speaker 2>while they're booking in around about now for this next ultrasound,

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<v Speaker 2>But then in other departments they're not booking that in

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<v Speaker 2>And the last time you're going to see your baby

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<v Speaker 2>is that twenty week ultrasound and you're only being checked

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<v Speaker 2>by a doppler. Why are some people getting an ultrasound

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<v Speaker 2>and some people aren't?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, sometimes it's maternal choice. So women decide they don't

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<v Speaker 3>want any more ultrasounds in pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 2>Why would they not want more? Who is there something about?

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<v Speaker 2>Like is there X ray?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it not the safe?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>There's a multitude of things. So, because I ask a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of women in this space, they don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>know the position of their baby necessarily. They don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to know if their babies getting too big for their

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<v Speaker 3>body because I think it'll dissuade them from a vaginal birth.

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<v Speaker 3>They want the secret of not knowing what they look

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<v Speaker 3>like until later. So I guess they're just wanting it

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<v Speaker 3>as natural as possible, and it's still medical from an

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<v Speaker 3>interventional perspective. It might find something that I want to

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<v Speaker 3>see and then they have to have multiple ultrasounds after that.

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<v Speaker 3>But the twenty eight week ultrasound in a public hospital

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<v Speaker 3>is recommended for women with diabetes, for women with hypertension,

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<v Speaker 3>for women who've had a previous small baby, or any

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<v Speaker 3>real medical condition that might affect the pregnancy. So even

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<v Speaker 3>Southeast Asian women, for example, are a higher risk of

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<v Speaker 3>smaller babies. So we often say, if you've got that

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<v Speaker 3>plus for example, you know you smoke or you have

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<v Speaker 3>a high ber mit. There's plenty of reasons you can

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<v Speaker 3>sneak in for that ultrasound if you want to see

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<v Speaker 3>a baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I love it. I would have would have had.

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<v Speaker 3>An auld hunt every week because I you know, watch

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<v Speaker 3>the baby on the scan. But that's the reason we

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<v Speaker 3>do that at twenty eight weeks. Why twenty eight weeks

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<v Speaker 3>because it's around the time we start to see differences

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<v Speaker 3>in babies growth, and so we use it as a baseline.

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<v Speaker 3>So unless it's multiple pregnancy because by then you've probably

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<v Speaker 3>already had lots of ultrasounds because we scan every two

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<v Speaker 3>to four weeks for twins and multiples. But if it's

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<v Speaker 3>your first ultrasound after the morphology, it'll be the baseline

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<v Speaker 3>we use ongoing. So for many women they have another

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<v Speaker 3>two ultrasounds if it's the high risk pregnancies, and one

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<v Speaker 3>at twenty eight weeks, one again at thirty two weeks,

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<v Speaker 3>and one at thirty six, and we actually look at

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<v Speaker 3>the growth between the three of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Has babies growth dropped off? Has it accelerated?

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<v Speaker 3>You know significantly that we need to consider changing the

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<v Speaker 3>plan for pregnancy, And so it's important to sort of

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<v Speaker 3>have them if you've been recommended, because it allows us

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<v Speaker 3>what I guess the grace of the thing is, imagine

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<v Speaker 3>getting a thirty six weeks You've got a teeny tiny baby,

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<v Speaker 3>but we have nothing to compare it to, so it

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<v Speaker 3>gives us that tracking trajectory to say, right, well, baby

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<v Speaker 3>was already small at twenty eight weeks, they're actually doing great,

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<v Speaker 3>They're actually gone up a few centiles. When not as

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<v Speaker 3>concerned it's going to be less intervention rather than more,

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<v Speaker 3>and what can we.

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<v Speaker 2>Do the last week of our second track mess day.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there anything we need to be thinking about on

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<v Speaker 2>our checklist if we are booking in for that ultrasound,

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<v Speaker 2>or is there anything more holistic we can be doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, I think a couple of things.

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<v Speaker 3>Just to note this, as you approach twenty eight weeks,

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<v Speaker 3>if you have that negative blood group, it's about time

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<v Speaker 3>to have You may have had an insiding event in

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<v Speaker 3>the past, but you definitely need to have your anti

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<v Speaker 3>d around this time. You have it again in the

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<v Speaker 3>third trimester, so book that in. You'll have those blood tests.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember we talked about the syphilis is going to come up,

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<v Speaker 3>and you have your OgTs hopefully done, and we'll recheck

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<v Speaker 3>your eye and things like that. So it's just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of time to check back in with your medical team

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<v Speaker 3>and redo it. It's about fifteen percent of women will

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<v Speaker 3>need that anti antid vaccination and.

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<v Speaker 1>The red flags red flags, red flags, red flags.

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<v Speaker 3>If there's any concerns, call your birth unit.

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<v Speaker 2>My toolkit this week. You touched on it a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit last week when we were talking about a bum

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<v Speaker 2>related clothing Mine is Facebook marketplace for baby items. Great

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much any if you're in a city and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure if there's regional Facebook ones that exist, there's normally

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<v Speaker 2>a like pay It Forward group, which is people getting

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<v Speaker 2>rid of free stuff. I got a co sleeper bassinet

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<v Speaker 2>for free, fantastic, which I'm stoked about. I got a

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<v Speaker 2>pregnancy pillow for free. Some people might think that's weird

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<v Speaker 2>to get a secondhand pillow, but I don't care, Like

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<v Speaker 2>who cares? I don't want to pay for it. And

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<v Speaker 2>I also got a two hundred dollars Bugaboo pram.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's amazing from a very rich suburb away from

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<v Speaker 2>where I live. But you did the drive, but I

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<v Speaker 2>did the drive. But a two hundred dollars Bugaboo.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think for me, the only thing I'm looking

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<v Speaker 2>to buy new is probably a car seat, okay, everything else.

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<v Speaker 3>Because you don't know if it's been in an accident

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<v Speaker 3>or anything before, so it's probably is the safer thing

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<v Speaker 3>to buy you. I mean, I bought one secondhand, but

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I think it's again dependent on how much

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<v Speaker 3>you trust the person who's owned the seat before. I

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<v Speaker 3>bought a snoo secondhand. You got a snow for my twins,

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<v Speaker 3>not for the other pregnancies, but when I had two

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<v Speaker 3>little babies to try and you know, one's trying to

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<v Speaker 3>feed and the other ones trying to sleep. I think

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<v Speaker 3>the thing to remember with Facebook marketplace too, is if

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<v Speaker 3>you buy it for something, you can often sell it

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<v Speaker 3>for the same thing. So it's just having the budget

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<v Speaker 3>there to buy it and then often I made money

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<v Speaker 3>on my Snow, I'm going to be honest because I

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<v Speaker 3>did the same as you. I went and got it

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<v Speaker 3>from somewhere miles away, and then I sold.

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<v Speaker 1>It locally and someone paid it one hundred bucks for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think about, like, what information have I pushed

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<v Speaker 2>out of my brain to now know that the snoo

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<v Speaker 2>is like the Royalty Love cribs And I'm now like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it is. It is very impressive. Have to

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<v Speaker 1>be honest with you.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think the other thing is to write a

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<v Speaker 3>list now everything you want yep, and then go and

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<v Speaker 3>speak to someone who's had babies and they'll cross three

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<v Speaker 3>quarters of it off.

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<v Speaker 1>This is time to save money because you're gonna need

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<v Speaker 1>it down the track. Yes, and you could always buy.

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<v Speaker 3>Something from one of the baby bunting stop shops and

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<v Speaker 3>it'll likely be delivered within forty eight hours, so you

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<v Speaker 3>don't need to buy everything now, and there's so much

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<v Speaker 3>stuff that gets unwrapped and not used, and it's just

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<v Speaker 3>a way of money.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say when I went to a baby bunting

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<v Speaker 2>and another baby store, I got quite overwhelmed in there

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<v Speaker 2>because they came to me about the prams and said

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<v Speaker 2>how fast do you think you'll walk? And what type

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<v Speaker 2>of ground will you be on? Most commonly to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the wheels that I would want, and I was like, well, well,

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<v Speaker 2>too much, yeah, exactly, too many questions. I would just

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<v Speaker 2>want that thing that has the coffeeholder of the important

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<v Speaker 2>things in That's all I want. And then I just

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<v Speaker 2>spoke to friends and I think you find out the brands,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I heard that a Bugaboo was a good brand,

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<v Speaker 2>and then my phone just was like, hey, here's one

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<v Speaker 2>great Damne.

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<v Speaker 3>And you can have more than one PRAM, like I

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<v Speaker 3>think you have different prams for different things, like I

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<v Speaker 3>do have a running PRAM because obviously I run regularly.

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<v Speaker 3>And then your shopping pram things that you're to look

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<v Speaker 3>at is are you going to shop a lot? Are

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<v Speaker 3>you going to be able to fit it through shopping aisles?

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<v Speaker 3>So and just remember you can swap like fokes again.

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<v Speaker 3>If you buy a second hand, you sell it, you

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<v Speaker 3>buy something else.

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