1 00:00:06,415 --> 00:00:08,695 Speaker 1: You're listing tea a Mumma mea. 2 00:00:08,535 --> 00:00:13,975 Speaker 2: Podcast everyone knows of someone who has been directly affected. 3 00:00:14,335 --> 00:00:17,174 Speaker 2: To say it hits close to home doesn't even do 4 00:00:17,255 --> 00:00:18,095 Speaker 2: it justice. 5 00:00:19,375 --> 00:00:23,335 Speaker 3: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mummumma's twice daily news podcast. 6 00:00:23,415 --> 00:00:27,055 Speaker 3: The Quickie, Australia and the world continue to mourn in 7 00:00:27,095 --> 00:00:30,695 Speaker 3: the days following the Bondai Beach terror attack, an attack 8 00:00:30,735 --> 00:00:34,135 Speaker 3: that deliberately targeted the Jewish community on what should have 9 00:00:34,175 --> 00:00:37,495 Speaker 3: been an evening of celebration and light, the first night 10 00:00:37,654 --> 00:00:42,294 Speaker 3: of Hanukkah. Investigations continue as an outpouring of love and 11 00:00:42,335 --> 00:00:44,934 Speaker 3: support flows from around the world to our friends and 12 00:00:45,015 --> 00:00:48,854 Speaker 3: family here down under. The Bondive Pavilion turned to a 13 00:00:48,894 --> 00:00:52,655 Speaker 3: sea of floral tributes for the victims, as our community 14 00:00:52,654 --> 00:00:55,414 Speaker 3: and political leaders call for calm and unity in a 15 00:00:55,455 --> 00:00:58,935 Speaker 3: time of deep sorrow. Claire Murphy has all the latest 16 00:00:59,015 --> 00:01:03,135 Speaker 3: updates from the Quickie newsroom for Tuesday, December sixteenth. 17 00:01:03,055 --> 00:01:06,655 Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor Haneker. Events in Visuals held in unison across 18 00:01:06,655 --> 00:01:09,895 Speaker 1: Australia last night as thousands of mourners laid flowers and 19 00:01:09,975 --> 00:01:12,775 Speaker 1: left messages to remember the fifteen people killed in the 20 00:01:12,775 --> 00:01:16,615 Speaker 1: massacre at Bondai. In an emotional ceremony back at Bondai Beach, 21 00:01:16,975 --> 00:01:19,655 Speaker 1: Rabbi Yosi Shushad lit the candles of a five foot 22 00:01:19,695 --> 00:01:24,255 Speaker 1: high manura, telling those gathered lightness will always persevere. Darkness 23 00:01:24,335 --> 00:01:27,135 Speaker 1: cannot continue where there is light. The Pillars of Light 24 00:01:27,175 --> 00:01:30,895 Speaker 1: festival also went ahead at Melbourne's Federation Square, where attendees 25 00:01:30,935 --> 00:01:33,975 Speaker 1: gathered to sing, pray and watch Rabbi Gabbae Coltman light 26 00:01:34,055 --> 00:01:37,335 Speaker 1: the manura. In Sydney's East, hundreds of people attended a 27 00:01:37,335 --> 00:01:40,455 Speaker 1: prayer vigil at the Chabad Bondai Synagogue, the place of 28 00:01:40,495 --> 00:01:42,895 Speaker 1: worship for many of those caught up in Sunday's attack. 29 00:01:43,335 --> 00:01:46,655 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Anthony Albernezi told the ABC that the alleged gunman, 30 00:01:46,735 --> 00:01:50,135 Speaker 1: twenty four year old Navide Akram, and his father Sajid Akram, 31 00:01:50,375 --> 00:01:52,735 Speaker 1: acted alone. It did not appear to have been part 32 00:01:52,775 --> 00:01:56,855 Speaker 1: of a terracell, but were driven instead by radical Islamic ideology. 33 00:01:57,175 --> 00:01:59,455 Speaker 1: The younger man had been on Azio's radar for a 34 00:01:59,495 --> 00:02:02,055 Speaker 1: short period of time after some of his associates ended 35 00:02:02,135 --> 00:02:04,895 Speaker 1: up in jail, but authorities did not find any evidence 36 00:02:04,895 --> 00:02:08,415 Speaker 1: that he'd been raped. Serjid, a licensed owner of six 37 00:02:08,495 --> 00:02:11,054 Speaker 1: firearms who arrived in Australia on a student visa in 38 00:02:11,175 --> 00:02:13,935 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight, died at the scene following a short 39 00:02:13,935 --> 00:02:17,535 Speaker 1: shootout with police. Australian bore Navid remains in a coma 40 00:02:17,575 --> 00:02:20,335 Speaker 1: in hospital after also being shot, and is expected to 41 00:02:20,375 --> 00:02:23,535 Speaker 1: face charges. Twenty six people who were injured in Sunday's 42 00:02:23,535 --> 00:02:27,695 Speaker 1: attack remain in hospital. Twelve are critically injured. Constable Scott 43 00:02:27,775 --> 00:02:30,575 Speaker 1: Dyson and another unnamed New South Wales police officer are 44 00:02:30,615 --> 00:02:32,895 Speaker 1: among the injured and are both in a serious but 45 00:02:32,975 --> 00:02:36,895 Speaker 1: stable condition. As tributes to the victims of Sunday's attack 46 00:02:36,895 --> 00:02:39,375 Speaker 1: are being given from around the globe. Back in Australia, 47 00:02:39,375 --> 00:02:43,215 Speaker 1: the government's considering further gun controls. National Cabinet met late 48 00:02:43,335 --> 00:02:46,535 Speaker 1: yesterday and agreed to consider new legislation that would see 49 00:02:46,575 --> 00:02:50,215 Speaker 1: only Australian citizens allowed to hold a gun license, accelerating 50 00:02:50,295 --> 00:02:53,454 Speaker 1: the launch of a national Firearms Register, limiting the amount 51 00:02:53,495 --> 00:02:56,255 Speaker 1: of guns any one individual can own, and putting further 52 00:02:56,295 --> 00:02:59,495 Speaker 1: restrictions on the types of firearms Australians can own and 53 00:02:59,535 --> 00:03:02,935 Speaker 1: the potential use of criminal intelligence to underpin firearms. 54 00:03:02,935 --> 00:03:03,495 Speaker 3: Licensing. 55 00:03:03,855 --> 00:03:07,015 Speaker 1: Flags have been flown at Half Masle in many European countries, 56 00:03:07,055 --> 00:03:10,975 Speaker 1: while flowers have been left outside London's Australia House. Tasmanian 57 00:03:10,975 --> 00:03:14,454 Speaker 1: born Queen Mary of Denmark also released a statement extending 58 00:03:14,455 --> 00:03:17,615 Speaker 1: her and husband King Frederick's condolences to those affected and 59 00:03:17,695 --> 00:03:20,775 Speaker 1: to the Jewish community. The son of Hollywood director Rob 60 00:03:20,815 --> 00:03:24,175 Speaker 1: Rhiner has been arrested on homicide charges after the filmmaker 61 00:03:24,175 --> 00:03:26,535 Speaker 1: and his wife were found dead in their Los Angeles home. 62 00:03:27,015 --> 00:03:29,735 Speaker 1: Nick Rhiner is being held in a Los Angeles County jail, 63 00:03:29,815 --> 00:03:33,215 Speaker 1: an official with the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department confirming 64 00:03:33,215 --> 00:03:36,495 Speaker 1: he's been arrested on homicide charges. Police said they found 65 00:03:36,495 --> 00:03:38,815 Speaker 1: two bodies at the Rhiner's home at three forty pm 66 00:03:38,855 --> 00:03:42,215 Speaker 1: on Sunday. Officials later confirming the victims last seventy eight 67 00:03:42,295 --> 00:03:44,695 Speaker 1: year old Rhiner and his wife, sixty eight year old 68 00:03:44,775 --> 00:03:47,975 Speaker 1: Michelle Singer Hiner. The bodies were discovered by their daughter, 69 00:03:48,055 --> 00:03:51,575 Speaker 1: romy reportedly suffering from wounds consistent with a knife attack. 70 00:03:52,015 --> 00:03:54,975 Speaker 1: Rhiner is best known for his directorial work, including the 71 00:03:55,015 --> 00:03:57,895 Speaker 1: mockumentary This Is Spinal Tap, in which he also starred. 72 00:03:58,175 --> 00:04:00,775 Speaker 1: Classics like the nineteen eighty six coming of age drama 73 00:04:00,855 --> 00:04:03,935 Speaker 1: Stand By Me, The Princess Bride and when Harry met Sally. 74 00:04:04,375 --> 00:04:07,055 Speaker 1: His son Nick has been open about his addiction issues, 75 00:04:07,095 --> 00:04:08,855 Speaker 1: which at times in his life have led to him 76 00:04:08,895 --> 00:04:11,735 Speaker 1: living on the street, but in recent years he's reconnected 77 00:04:11,735 --> 00:04:14,335 Speaker 1: with his family, even making a movie with his father, 78 00:04:14,455 --> 00:04:17,494 Speaker 1: Being Charlie in twenty fifteen, which Nick co wrote and 79 00:04:17,615 --> 00:04:21,455 Speaker 1: is based on his real life experiences. Australian actress Rachel 80 00:04:21,535 --> 00:04:25,095 Speaker 1: Carphani has died after suffering a chronic illness. The forty 81 00:04:25,135 --> 00:04:27,534 Speaker 1: five year old had mentioned dealing with a medical issue 82 00:04:27,535 --> 00:04:30,335 Speaker 1: in recent years that has left her hospitalized many times, 83 00:04:30,575 --> 00:04:33,935 Speaker 1: but had never shared the exact details, the actress's family 84 00:04:33,975 --> 00:04:37,495 Speaker 1: saying she passed unexpectedly but peacefully after a long battle 85 00:04:37,495 --> 00:04:40,735 Speaker 1: with the chronic illness. On Sunday, Carphani was nominated for 86 00:04:40,815 --> 00:04:43,214 Speaker 1: two logis for her role as Jodie on the Much 87 00:04:43,215 --> 00:04:46,735 Speaker 1: Love McLeod's Daughters, co star Bridy Carter, writing on social 88 00:04:46,775 --> 00:04:49,415 Speaker 1: media yesterday that she was loved and will be missed. 89 00:04:49,695 --> 00:04:51,615 Speaker 1: She also starred in Home and Away and did a 90 00:04:51,655 --> 00:04:54,094 Speaker 1: stint overseas on NCIS Los Angeles. 91 00:04:54,495 --> 00:04:58,495 Speaker 3: Thanks Clan Next The Sunday that changed our nation irrevocably. 92 00:05:01,735 --> 00:05:04,695 Speaker 3: It should have been an evening like any other, families 93 00:05:04,735 --> 00:05:07,455 Speaker 3: and friends gather by the beach to send off the weekend, 94 00:05:07,735 --> 00:05:11,855 Speaker 3: splashing around, sharing hot chips and basking in the final 95 00:05:11,895 --> 00:05:15,375 Speaker 3: moments of the sun's warm glow. A perfect summer evening 96 00:05:15,415 --> 00:05:20,615 Speaker 3: in Sydney, Australia at the world's most recognizable beach. Nearby, 97 00:05:20,775 --> 00:05:22,895 Speaker 3: a group of more than a thousand gathered to ring 98 00:05:22,935 --> 00:05:26,415 Speaker 3: in the first night of Huneker, the Jewish celebration of light, 99 00:05:27,495 --> 00:05:31,695 Speaker 3: and then about six forty five pm, shots began to 100 00:05:31,775 --> 00:05:36,855 Speaker 3: ring out. Terrified people began to flee the scene as locals, 101 00:05:36,935 --> 00:05:40,455 Speaker 3: Australians across the country and people around the world started 102 00:05:40,495 --> 00:05:44,214 Speaker 3: to piece together what was happening. Australia's worst mass shooting 103 00:05:44,375 --> 00:05:48,855 Speaker 3: since the nineteen ninety six Port Arthur massacre. People took 104 00:05:48,895 --> 00:05:53,455 Speaker 3: shelter wherever they could nearby beach change rooms and toilets, 105 00:05:53,575 --> 00:05:58,214 Speaker 3: anywhere to hide themselves from a spray of bullets. Nineteen 106 00:05:58,295 --> 00:06:00,815 Speaker 3: year old Edie Christopher was working as a bartender at 107 00:06:00,855 --> 00:06:04,335 Speaker 3: the North Bonde RSL during the attack. She says her 108 00:06:04,415 --> 00:06:07,175 Speaker 3: fellow team members try to let as many people into 109 00:06:07,215 --> 00:06:10,135 Speaker 3: the building as possible, handing out water and trying to 110 00:06:10,175 --> 00:06:13,575 Speaker 3: keep the mood calm as families held each other in terror. 111 00:06:14,495 --> 00:06:18,495 Speaker 4: Initially I was in denial. I mean, we live in Australia. 112 00:06:18,575 --> 00:06:22,415 Speaker 4: It's just something you don't even comprehend is a possibility. 113 00:06:22,735 --> 00:06:24,695 Speaker 4: The first thing I thought when someone said they were 114 00:06:24,695 --> 00:06:28,414 Speaker 4: gunshots was like it was a joke or it was 115 00:06:28,975 --> 00:06:32,135 Speaker 4: just like someone misheard a gunshot. I was in denial. 116 00:06:32,215 --> 00:06:35,175 Speaker 4: I didn't believe that it was actually happening. And then 117 00:06:35,215 --> 00:06:39,055 Speaker 4: when I looked outside the window and saw Bondai full 118 00:06:39,055 --> 00:06:42,054 Speaker 4: of police cars and not a single person on the beach, 119 00:06:42,135 --> 00:06:46,015 Speaker 4: I was in complete shock, and I knew the extent 120 00:06:46,095 --> 00:06:49,495 Speaker 4: of how horrible this event was. The RSL has a 121 00:06:49,495 --> 00:06:53,335 Speaker 4: great view of the whole of Bonday, and everyone was hidden. 122 00:06:53,695 --> 00:06:56,575 Speaker 3: Eighties twenty four year old brother Leo was just finishing 123 00:06:56,655 --> 00:06:58,735 Speaker 3: up a shift at the North Bondi Surf Club when 124 00:06:58,815 --> 00:07:02,295 Speaker 3: chaos ensued. He says, as people fled for their lives, 125 00:07:02,535 --> 00:07:06,775 Speaker 3: his coworkers set up makeshift triage stations administering first aid 126 00:07:06,815 --> 00:07:09,094 Speaker 3: to people seeking safety inside the club. 127 00:07:10,415 --> 00:07:13,295 Speaker 5: Kind of affected me the most. Maybe the saddest was 128 00:07:13,375 --> 00:07:16,055 Speaker 5: seeing kids come up kind of without their parents, just 129 00:07:16,095 --> 00:07:19,575 Speaker 5: completely terrified, and then the parents running in like just 130 00:07:20,175 --> 00:07:22,495 Speaker 5: yelling after their kids, not knowing where they were. That 131 00:07:22,655 --> 00:07:25,255 Speaker 5: was that was probably the most distressing thing. 132 00:07:25,615 --> 00:07:26,335 Speaker 6: There was people in there. 133 00:07:26,335 --> 00:07:29,495 Speaker 5: There was a women in those brother actually had seen 134 00:07:29,775 --> 00:07:33,095 Speaker 5: her brother die and like just a lot of kind 135 00:07:33,135 --> 00:07:34,015 Speaker 5: of tragic scenes. 136 00:07:34,775 --> 00:07:37,775 Speaker 3: Images and videos began to flood social media as the 137 00:07:37,815 --> 00:07:43,015 Speaker 3: attack was still ongoing. Chaos, gunshots, police sirens, just hell 138 00:07:43,055 --> 00:07:47,215 Speaker 3: on Earth. Then a hero emerged, identified as father of 139 00:07:47,295 --> 00:07:50,215 Speaker 3: two and fruit shop owner Ahmed Alahmed, who was seen 140 00:07:50,255 --> 00:07:52,855 Speaker 3: wrestling a gun away from one of the alleged shooters. 141 00:07:53,335 --> 00:07:55,895 Speaker 3: His cousin mustaff Are confirming to seven News he was 142 00:07:55,935 --> 00:07:57,975 Speaker 3: shot twice, requiring surgery. 143 00:07:58,375 --> 00:08:02,575 Speaker 7: The here absolutely because maybe he candles his life to 144 00:08:02,615 --> 00:08:06,335 Speaker 7: say the other people, I help everyone necessary that everything 145 00:08:06,415 --> 00:08:08,655 Speaker 7: is good for Ahmed to get back to his family. 146 00:08:09,695 --> 00:08:12,815 Speaker 3: This French holiday maker recounting the saints to the ABC. 147 00:08:13,215 --> 00:08:17,055 Speaker 8: I am in Australia since two days. It's my first time, 148 00:08:17,335 --> 00:08:20,375 Speaker 8: I say, be and my friend going the two beach. 149 00:08:20,975 --> 00:08:23,455 Speaker 8: I say, one friend, what is the best beach? He 150 00:08:23,455 --> 00:08:26,695 Speaker 8: say me Bondie Beach for me very security. I go 151 00:08:26,735 --> 00:08:31,055 Speaker 8: in Bondi beach, one house, I go water one house. 152 00:08:31,095 --> 00:08:35,374 Speaker 8: After I look two men Minnie sniper he say in 153 00:08:35,535 --> 00:08:39,735 Speaker 8: the poor white and oh bomb mom everything, every man 154 00:08:39,855 --> 00:08:42,895 Speaker 8: bomb bomb one moment. The man in the gain, he 155 00:08:43,015 --> 00:08:45,775 Speaker 8: say me, I go before the car. 156 00:08:45,815 --> 00:08:47,775 Speaker 9: Yes see, I am you in me more. 157 00:08:48,054 --> 00:08:48,855 Speaker 3: There is one child. 158 00:08:48,935 --> 00:08:50,454 Speaker 8: I say this, I'm jugied. 159 00:08:51,054 --> 00:08:52,135 Speaker 9: Your heart is dead today. 160 00:08:52,255 --> 00:08:56,095 Speaker 8: Yes today I am starting go to Buntai Beach. 161 00:08:58,335 --> 00:09:01,095 Speaker 3: We now know two men, a fifty year old man 162 00:09:01,175 --> 00:09:03,935 Speaker 3: and his twenty four year old son, are responsible for 163 00:09:03,975 --> 00:09:08,215 Speaker 3: this atrocity. The older man killed by police, his son 164 00:09:08,535 --> 00:09:12,135 Speaker 3: in custody. In the aftermath of the attacks, world leaders 165 00:09:12,175 --> 00:09:14,975 Speaker 3: were quick to condemn them while sharing thoughts and prayers 166 00:09:14,975 --> 00:09:18,015 Speaker 3: for the families of victims, including our own Prime Minister, 167 00:09:18,135 --> 00:09:21,535 Speaker 3: who confirmed this was a direct targeted attack on the 168 00:09:21,615 --> 00:09:22,455 Speaker 3: Jewish community. 169 00:09:23,295 --> 00:09:26,135 Speaker 6: What we saw yesday was an active pure evil, an 170 00:09:26,135 --> 00:09:31,015 Speaker 6: active anti Semitism, an active terrorism on our shores in 171 00:09:31,095 --> 00:09:36,535 Speaker 6: an iconic Australian location, Bondo Beach, that is associated with joy, 172 00:09:37,215 --> 00:09:43,255 Speaker 6: associated with families gathering, associated with celebrations, and it is 173 00:09:43,295 --> 00:09:48,935 Speaker 6: forever tarnished by what has occurred last evening. This was 174 00:09:49,495 --> 00:09:53,735 Speaker 6: an attack deliberately targeted at the Jewish community on the 175 00:09:53,735 --> 00:09:56,694 Speaker 6: first day of Harnakah, which of course should be a 176 00:09:56,775 --> 00:10:01,615 Speaker 6: joyoush celebration and the Jewish community are hurting today. Today 177 00:10:01,735 --> 00:10:04,975 Speaker 6: all Australians wrap our arms around them and say we 178 00:10:05,054 --> 00:10:08,855 Speaker 6: stem we you. We will do whatever is necessary to 179 00:10:08,895 --> 00:10:12,695 Speaker 6: stamp out anti Semitism. It is to scourge and we 180 00:10:12,735 --> 00:10:14,775 Speaker 6: will eradicate it together. 181 00:10:15,375 --> 00:10:17,615 Speaker 3: In an act to make the Jewish community feel safe. 182 00:10:17,735 --> 00:10:20,935 Speaker 3: New South Wales Police Commissioner Mel Lanion also confirmed the 183 00:10:20,975 --> 00:10:24,855 Speaker 3: recommencement of Operations Shelter were three hundred and twenty eight 184 00:10:24,895 --> 00:10:28,535 Speaker 3: offices deployed to ensure an increase police presence at places 185 00:10:28,615 --> 00:10:32,535 Speaker 3: known to be frequented by the Jewish community, including places 186 00:10:32,535 --> 00:10:36,855 Speaker 3: of worship. New South Wales Premier Chris Mins also confirming 187 00:10:36,855 --> 00:10:40,054 Speaker 3: his government will look at changing laws surrounding gun ownership 188 00:10:40,135 --> 00:10:43,015 Speaker 3: in the state. The announcement comes after one of the 189 00:10:43,054 --> 00:10:46,535 Speaker 3: alleged shooters was revealed to hold a firearms license with 190 00:10:46,695 --> 00:10:48,775 Speaker 3: six firearms registered to his name. 191 00:10:49,215 --> 00:10:52,535 Speaker 10: I think it's time that we have a change to 192 00:10:52,575 --> 00:10:55,255 Speaker 10: the law in relation to the firearms legislation in New 193 00:10:55,295 --> 00:10:58,415 Speaker 10: South Wales, but I'm not ready to announce it today. 194 00:10:58,495 --> 00:11:01,735 Speaker 10: We want to make sure that prospective reform and change 195 00:11:01,735 --> 00:11:04,334 Speaker 10: in New South Wales has a lasting impact. But it's 196 00:11:04,535 --> 00:11:06,135 Speaker 10: not the last time of m mentioning it and you 197 00:11:06,135 --> 00:11:07,175 Speaker 10: can expect action toon. 198 00:11:08,335 --> 00:11:11,775 Speaker 3: The Prime Minister also throwing his support behind tougher gun laws, 199 00:11:12,054 --> 00:11:15,054 Speaker 3: adding it to the agenda of National Cabinet on Monday. 200 00:11:15,735 --> 00:11:19,215 Speaker 3: Executive Council of Australian Jury Head of Legal Simone Abel 201 00:11:19,375 --> 00:11:21,895 Speaker 3: has been reflecting on what the last few days have 202 00:11:22,015 --> 00:11:23,495 Speaker 3: looked and felt like for her. 203 00:11:24,255 --> 00:11:26,895 Speaker 9: I think I've been feeling a sense of shock, but 204 00:11:27,135 --> 00:11:31,335 Speaker 9: unfortunately not a sense of surprise. We've really known and 205 00:11:31,415 --> 00:11:34,135 Speaker 9: anticipated that this was coming. Of course, you know, we 206 00:11:34,175 --> 00:11:36,895 Speaker 9: didn't know exactly how it would come or when it 207 00:11:36,935 --> 00:11:39,175 Speaker 9: would but we knew it would come, and we've been 208 00:11:39,175 --> 00:11:44,295 Speaker 9: doing everything we can to ensure that the community is protected. 209 00:11:44,775 --> 00:11:49,455 Speaker 9: But you know, unfortunately terrorism finds its way through cracks, 210 00:11:49,655 --> 00:11:53,694 Speaker 9: and this has been a very devastating twenty four hours 211 00:11:53,775 --> 00:11:55,535 Speaker 9: or thereabouts for us. 212 00:11:56,375 --> 00:11:59,175 Speaker 3: Few agrees that gun laws need to be reassessed, but 213 00:11:59,535 --> 00:12:02,255 Speaker 3: guns are a symptom, not the sole cause of the 214 00:12:02,295 --> 00:12:04,055 Speaker 3: attacks like we saw at Bondai. 215 00:12:04,335 --> 00:12:08,735 Speaker 9: This is a problem that much beyond gun laws. The 216 00:12:08,775 --> 00:12:13,775 Speaker 9: gun possession and gun use is something that's symptomatic of 217 00:12:13,975 --> 00:12:17,295 Speaker 9: a much greater societal ill. You know, we've been saying 218 00:12:17,335 --> 00:12:20,655 Speaker 9: now for a long time, even before the October seventh 219 00:12:20,775 --> 00:12:25,895 Speaker 9: massacrebout Hateful words ultimately lead to hateful acts, and that's 220 00:12:25,935 --> 00:12:28,455 Speaker 9: what we saw and we've seen it. You know, There's 221 00:12:28,495 --> 00:12:31,455 Speaker 9: been many examples of this over the past two years, 222 00:12:31,575 --> 00:12:35,775 Speaker 9: ars and attacks via bombings, So there has been a 223 00:12:35,895 --> 00:12:40,655 Speaker 9: clear escalation to this moment and I think that the 224 00:12:40,735 --> 00:12:45,455 Speaker 9: government and the authorities need to look at respond beyond 225 00:12:45,615 --> 00:12:46,455 Speaker 9: gun control. 226 00:12:46,535 --> 00:12:51,375 Speaker 3: Here Simone has this message for Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi. 227 00:12:51,775 --> 00:12:54,975 Speaker 9: Whilst no doubt your heart is in the right place, 228 00:12:55,135 --> 00:12:58,335 Speaker 9: we need to see you take action now. We need 229 00:12:58,375 --> 00:13:02,535 Speaker 9: you to understand that there is a very active, serious 230 00:13:02,655 --> 00:13:06,375 Speaker 9: hate movement that's been bubbling a lot and has been 231 00:13:06,455 --> 00:13:10,814 Speaker 9: allowed to gain strength over the last two years, and 232 00:13:10,855 --> 00:13:13,934 Speaker 9: we need you to recognize that we as a community 233 00:13:14,054 --> 00:13:17,815 Speaker 9: also have human rights and we need your advocacy. We 234 00:13:17,895 --> 00:13:22,015 Speaker 9: need you to mobilize resources and support and make sure 235 00:13:22,095 --> 00:13:25,535 Speaker 9: something like this never ever happens again on Australian soil. 236 00:13:27,375 --> 00:13:29,895 Speaker 3: Claire has provided you with the latest from the ongoing 237 00:13:29,935 --> 00:13:33,814 Speaker 3: investigation and will continue to update you in the news headlines, 238 00:13:34,375 --> 00:13:37,015 Speaker 3: but today I want to focus on the very community 239 00:13:37,054 --> 00:13:41,815 Speaker 3: at the center of this terry incident. Our Jewish community today, 240 00:13:41,895 --> 00:13:44,615 Speaker 3: on which should mark the third night of Haneker, people 241 00:13:44,695 --> 00:13:49,215 Speaker 3: continue to more the loss of loved ones. Rebecca Davis 242 00:13:49,375 --> 00:13:52,454 Speaker 3: is a journalist and the media editor at the Australia 243 00:13:52,575 --> 00:13:56,334 Speaker 3: Israel and Jewish Affairs Council. She says, like many Jews 244 00:13:56,335 --> 00:13:59,735 Speaker 3: in Australia, this attack hits so close to home. 245 00:14:00,375 --> 00:14:05,055 Speaker 2: The last twenty four hours has been completely devastating. I'm 246 00:14:05,054 --> 00:14:08,375 Speaker 2: not I'm sure I've actually found the words that accurately 247 00:14:08,415 --> 00:14:11,935 Speaker 2: convey the horror that the Jewish community have felt that 248 00:14:12,054 --> 00:14:14,255 Speaker 2: I felt on a personal level. You know, I was 249 00:14:14,295 --> 00:14:16,975 Speaker 2: sitting there just on the couch, chilling out on a 250 00:14:16,975 --> 00:14:19,295 Speaker 2: Sunday night as you do, next to my mom when 251 00:14:19,335 --> 00:14:21,895 Speaker 2: the footage started rolling in on my phone and there 252 00:14:21,935 --> 00:14:26,095 Speaker 2: was no censorship about it and seeing Jews hunted on 253 00:14:26,295 --> 00:14:30,855 Speaker 2: Bondi Beach. I'm just talking about it now actually because 254 00:14:31,375 --> 00:14:33,775 Speaker 2: it was just the most harrowing footage to see, but 255 00:14:34,575 --> 00:14:38,815 Speaker 2: unfortunately not entirely unexpected, because we've seen such an increase 256 00:14:38,975 --> 00:14:41,815 Speaker 2: in the sentiment of anti Semitism in Australia over the 257 00:14:41,815 --> 00:14:44,575 Speaker 2: past couple of years, and this is what we were 258 00:14:44,615 --> 00:14:46,055 Speaker 2: all so afraid of. 259 00:14:46,975 --> 00:14:50,855 Speaker 3: What are the conversations that you've been having with your family, 260 00:14:51,135 --> 00:14:53,815 Speaker 3: your friends. You mentioned your mom there and your colleagues 261 00:14:53,815 --> 00:14:55,375 Speaker 3: as well since this has happened. 262 00:14:56,095 --> 00:14:59,015 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we just sat in disbelief, my mum 263 00:14:59,015 --> 00:15:01,615 Speaker 2: and I and then we just grabbed each other and 264 00:15:01,695 --> 00:15:04,695 Speaker 2: we embraced. And then coming into my office this morning 265 00:15:04,735 --> 00:15:08,615 Speaker 2: with my colleagues, everyone was quietly working but would come 266 00:15:08,655 --> 00:15:11,015 Speaker 2: out and just look at each other and glassy eyes 267 00:15:11,055 --> 00:15:13,735 Speaker 2: and just embrace the hug. And there's just no words. 268 00:15:14,255 --> 00:15:16,455 Speaker 2: There's just no words at the moment. We're all checking 269 00:15:16,455 --> 00:15:19,575 Speaker 2: in on each other, We're all sending messages to friends, 270 00:15:19,615 --> 00:15:22,095 Speaker 2: loved ones, even people that were not so close with 271 00:15:22,255 --> 00:15:25,055 Speaker 2: But we know it's a small community. The Jewish community 272 00:15:25,135 --> 00:15:27,215 Speaker 2: is only one hundred and twenty thousand people in Australia, 273 00:15:27,295 --> 00:15:30,175 Speaker 2: which to put that in kind of terms that make 274 00:15:30,255 --> 00:15:33,495 Speaker 2: it understandable, is the MCG when it's full and people 275 00:15:33,575 --> 00:15:36,615 Speaker 2: standing on the ground were a very very small minority. 276 00:15:37,215 --> 00:15:40,815 Speaker 2: And so everyone knows of someone who has been directly affected. 277 00:15:41,455 --> 00:15:44,055 Speaker 2: And so it was harrowing as the news was coming 278 00:15:44,055 --> 00:15:47,135 Speaker 2: through last night, and the news still continues to you 279 00:15:47,135 --> 00:15:49,415 Speaker 2: don't want to jump and believe rumors, but there was 280 00:15:49,615 --> 00:15:52,695 Speaker 2: different eyewitness accounts that were coming through with victims, people 281 00:15:52,735 --> 00:15:55,375 Speaker 2: who've been shot, and you're trying to understand if any 282 00:15:55,375 --> 00:15:57,895 Speaker 2: of your loved ones are amongst that any friends. One 283 00:15:57,935 --> 00:16:00,455 Speaker 2: of my colleagues was graised with a bullet. One of 284 00:16:00,455 --> 00:16:03,855 Speaker 2: my former colleagues was also grazed. To say, it hits 285 00:16:03,895 --> 00:16:06,815 Speaker 2: close to home, doesn't even do it justice. 286 00:16:07,455 --> 00:16:11,095 Speaker 3: There's been a lot of calls Rebecca for unity in 287 00:16:11,135 --> 00:16:13,215 Speaker 3: our community. There's been a lot of calls for calm 288 00:16:13,455 --> 00:16:17,175 Speaker 3: at the moment as well. What does unity look like 289 00:16:17,255 --> 00:16:19,255 Speaker 3: to you in the wake of something like this happening. 290 00:16:19,615 --> 00:16:24,455 Speaker 2: Unity to me looks like everyone coming together every day, 291 00:16:24,535 --> 00:16:27,575 Speaker 2: Australians with the Jewish community, and I think that that's 292 00:16:28,135 --> 00:16:31,335 Speaker 2: something that the Jewish community has felt an absence of 293 00:16:31,575 --> 00:16:34,335 Speaker 2: in the past couple of years. I myself, as a journalist, 294 00:16:34,615 --> 00:16:37,975 Speaker 2: I've written about antisemitism for most of my professional life 295 00:16:38,015 --> 00:16:42,135 Speaker 2: just on ten years, and I've documented and the increase 296 00:16:42,335 --> 00:16:45,495 Speaker 2: that I've seen over that time. But once October seven 297 00:16:45,575 --> 00:16:48,975 Speaker 2: happened twenty twenty three, we saw a real search and 298 00:16:49,055 --> 00:16:52,815 Speaker 2: it became very serious, very quickly. And if we learn 299 00:16:52,895 --> 00:16:56,655 Speaker 2: anything from history, we understand that words lead to action, 300 00:16:56,935 --> 00:16:59,935 Speaker 2: words lead to violence, and when left unchecked, and when 301 00:17:00,055 --> 00:17:03,975 Speaker 2: left without serious leadership in every level of our society, 302 00:17:04,095 --> 00:17:09,014 Speaker 2: from the government through to state leadership in our police forces, 303 00:17:09,655 --> 00:17:14,855 Speaker 2: in every sphere of Australian society, creative business, health care, education. 304 00:17:15,534 --> 00:17:18,054 Speaker 2: When hate is left unchecked and it's left to festa, 305 00:17:18,655 --> 00:17:21,414 Speaker 2: it becomes violence. And this is what we're also afraid of. 306 00:17:21,614 --> 00:17:24,254 Speaker 2: Just twelve months ago, almost to the day, was the 307 00:17:24,294 --> 00:17:27,215 Speaker 2: fire bombing terror attack of the udussis Rael synagogue here 308 00:17:27,215 --> 00:17:29,895 Speaker 2: in Melbourne, which is just five minutes down the road 309 00:17:29,895 --> 00:17:33,374 Speaker 2: from where I live. And when I think about the 310 00:17:33,415 --> 00:17:35,935 Speaker 2: media that I was doing at that time, the sentiments 311 00:17:35,935 --> 00:17:39,094 Speaker 2: haven't changed. We were all screaming for so long that 312 00:17:39,215 --> 00:17:41,455 Speaker 2: action needs to be done. It's not the time anymore 313 00:17:41,494 --> 00:17:44,455 Speaker 2: for empty platitudes and for words. We've had an anti 314 00:17:44,494 --> 00:17:47,094 Speaker 2: Semitism envoy who's been appointed and yet none of her 315 00:17:47,135 --> 00:17:51,774 Speaker 2: recommendations were put into place. And yet we've seen children 316 00:17:51,814 --> 00:17:56,054 Speaker 2: that have been targeted, villified, businesses vandalized. We've seen synagogues 317 00:17:56,054 --> 00:17:59,574 Speaker 2: firebombed both in Melbourne Sydney, Jewish property as well cars, 318 00:17:59,734 --> 00:18:03,854 Speaker 2: arson attacks. It's just spiraled and we've seen it happen 319 00:18:03,935 --> 00:18:07,135 Speaker 2: before our eyes, and we've been outing for action, real action, 320 00:18:07,254 --> 00:18:10,615 Speaker 2: to stop this, and unfortunately that hasn't happened, and now 321 00:18:10,655 --> 00:18:16,014 Speaker 2: we're looking at the murder of at least fifteen Jewish people. 322 00:18:16,574 --> 00:18:19,455 Speaker 3: What do you think the lasting impact of an attack 323 00:18:19,574 --> 00:18:21,815 Speaker 3: like this will have on our Jewish community? And then 324 00:18:21,895 --> 00:18:24,494 Speaker 3: I guess also as our country as a whole, we're 325 00:18:24,534 --> 00:18:28,014 Speaker 3: not used to seeing these mass acts of violence in Australia. 326 00:18:28,135 --> 00:18:29,894 Speaker 3: So what do you think the lasting impact will be. 327 00:18:30,455 --> 00:18:33,055 Speaker 2: You're right in saying that we're not used to seeing this, 328 00:18:33,415 --> 00:18:37,734 Speaker 2: and I think that's what we've seen from history, but 329 00:18:37,895 --> 00:18:45,375 Speaker 2: also seeing this increase in extremism in terrorism, and we've 330 00:18:45,375 --> 00:18:47,694 Speaker 2: been seeing that also on our streets. We've seen that 331 00:18:47,814 --> 00:18:51,534 Speaker 2: in the display of prescribed terror organizations and their flags 332 00:18:51,574 --> 00:18:54,734 Speaker 2: and the sentiment from October ninth on the steps of 333 00:18:54,734 --> 00:18:58,654 Speaker 2: the Sydney Opera House. So I think that this is 334 00:18:58,814 --> 00:19:01,695 Speaker 2: very foreign for us. But you know, already there's been 335 00:19:01,734 --> 00:19:03,814 Speaker 2: so much talk over the last two years of Jews 336 00:19:03,814 --> 00:19:06,494 Speaker 2: actually looking at each other here saying are we still 337 00:19:06,534 --> 00:19:09,254 Speaker 2: safe in Australia. There's been many Jews that have talked 338 00:19:09,254 --> 00:19:12,534 Speaker 2: about going to Israel. Now, Israel is a country that 339 00:19:12,655 --> 00:19:15,614 Speaker 2: was fighting a war on seven different fronts. If Jews 340 00:19:15,614 --> 00:19:18,534 Speaker 2: in the relative calm and safety. What's meant to be 341 00:19:18,655 --> 00:19:21,494 Speaker 2: what we've always known of Australia. Are looking to go 342 00:19:21,854 --> 00:19:24,574 Speaker 2: to the Middle East and completely start again in a 343 00:19:24,774 --> 00:19:27,614 Speaker 2: country that's fighting a seven front war. It tells you 344 00:19:27,655 --> 00:19:30,574 Speaker 2: a lot about the very real sense of fear that 345 00:19:30,655 --> 00:19:31,814 Speaker 2: has existed. 346 00:19:31,455 --> 00:19:36,294 Speaker 11: In the community and understanding where that might go, Rebecca, 347 00:19:36,334 --> 00:19:38,695 Speaker 11: before I let you go, a lot of people the 348 00:19:38,774 --> 00:19:41,534 Speaker 11: rhetorican line has been that this is not our Australia, 349 00:19:41,574 --> 00:19:44,774 Speaker 11: this is not what Australians do, and there's no place 350 00:19:44,895 --> 00:19:47,775 Speaker 11: in our country for this kind of terror and horror. 351 00:19:48,455 --> 00:19:51,654 Speaker 3: There's been lots of acts of heroism that have emerged 352 00:19:51,854 --> 00:19:56,494 Speaker 3: since the attack happened on Sunday evening, lots of paramedics, 353 00:19:56,494 --> 00:20:00,014 Speaker 3: lots of medical staff authorities all being involved. There's one 354 00:20:00,054 --> 00:20:02,774 Speaker 3: particular video though, that's circulating of a man in a 355 00:20:02,814 --> 00:20:06,334 Speaker 3: white T shirt, just an ordinary guy who able to 356 00:20:06,574 --> 00:20:08,815 Speaker 3: wrestle a gun away from one of the alleged gunmen. 357 00:20:09,455 --> 00:20:12,374 Speaker 3: That has to be our Australia, right, that's what we 358 00:20:12,415 --> 00:20:14,614 Speaker 3: should be doing for each other in times like this. 359 00:20:15,494 --> 00:20:17,695 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'd love to see more of that. I mean, 360 00:20:17,734 --> 00:20:22,094 Speaker 2: that's incredible footage, what a brave bystanderp I think that's 361 00:20:22,094 --> 00:20:25,375 Speaker 2: something that not just on a government and policy maker 362 00:20:25,455 --> 00:20:28,334 Speaker 2: level that's been missing from this, but the Jewish community 363 00:20:28,334 --> 00:20:30,734 Speaker 2: has really felt a sense of silence from the broader 364 00:20:30,734 --> 00:20:32,894 Speaker 2: community that we're very much a part of. You know, 365 00:20:33,375 --> 00:20:36,935 Speaker 2: I myself, my family story, like the first Jewish member 366 00:20:36,935 --> 00:20:39,334 Speaker 2: of my family came to Australia in the eighteen fifties 367 00:20:39,334 --> 00:20:42,894 Speaker 2: from Poland. It's not an uncommon story. We're very well 368 00:20:42,975 --> 00:20:46,934 Speaker 2: a part of Australian society and that's the Australia that 369 00:20:47,014 --> 00:20:49,855 Speaker 2: we all thought existed, and to see that there are 370 00:20:50,375 --> 00:20:53,655 Speaker 2: parts of that that still exist is hopeful and amazing, 371 00:20:53,734 --> 00:20:56,014 Speaker 2: and I think just on a basic human level, we 372 00:20:56,014 --> 00:20:58,934 Speaker 2: would love to feel that embrace from more people. On 373 00:20:58,975 --> 00:21:01,494 Speaker 2: your social media, get in touch with your Jewish friends, 374 00:21:01,534 --> 00:21:03,694 Speaker 2: or if you don't have Jewish friends, just get in 375 00:21:03,774 --> 00:21:06,774 Speaker 2: touch and allow us to feel that sense of embrace 376 00:21:07,375 --> 00:21:10,855 Speaker 2: and to feel that you're with us. Because historically as well, 377 00:21:11,054 --> 00:21:12,855 Speaker 2: I know, I keep going back to history, but really 378 00:21:12,854 --> 00:21:14,455 Speaker 2: we can learn a lot of lessons from it, and 379 00:21:15,294 --> 00:21:17,094 Speaker 2: Jews have always been the Canarian the coal mine. It 380 00:21:17,135 --> 00:21:18,935 Speaker 2: starts with the Jews, but it doesn't end with us. 381 00:21:19,014 --> 00:21:21,254 Speaker 2: This is a threat on all of the values that 382 00:21:21,294 --> 00:21:24,695 Speaker 2: we hold dear as a liberal democracy, all our Western values, 383 00:21:24,734 --> 00:21:27,894 Speaker 2: all our freedoms. All that was happening were people coming 384 00:21:27,935 --> 00:21:32,054 Speaker 2: together in happiness, in joy, spending time with their families, dancing. 385 00:21:32,375 --> 00:21:34,774 Speaker 2: That's things we all enjoy and that's the Australia we 386 00:21:34,814 --> 00:21:37,135 Speaker 2: know and love. And it doesn't matter where you come from. 387 00:21:37,215 --> 00:21:41,374 Speaker 2: We've always just come here on this hope and this 388 00:21:41,534 --> 00:21:45,054 Speaker 2: dream of a place where everyone's equal and where everyone 389 00:21:45,494 --> 00:21:48,375 Speaker 2: has opportunity to make whatever they want for the life themselves, 390 00:21:48,375 --> 00:21:51,455 Speaker 2: what they study, where they work. And that's the Australia 391 00:21:51,494 --> 00:21:53,974 Speaker 2: we want to get back to, not this division, because 392 00:21:54,375 --> 00:21:56,294 Speaker 2: that's the special part of this country. 393 00:21:57,254 --> 00:21:59,894 Speaker 3: There's been renewed calls for the Prime Minister to endorse 394 00:21:59,935 --> 00:22:03,334 Speaker 3: the Plan to combat anti Semitism handed down back in 395 00:22:03,415 --> 00:22:07,975 Speaker 3: July by Australia's Anti Semitism Envoy Gillian Siegel. As part 396 00:22:08,014 --> 00:22:10,814 Speaker 3: of the plan, there's calls for stronger laws and enforcement, 397 00:22:11,094 --> 00:22:16,494 Speaker 3: more education, and institutional accountability, including potentially withholding funding of 398 00:22:16,574 --> 00:22:19,934 Speaker 3: tertiary institutions that don't do enough to curb anti Semitic 399 00:22:19,975 --> 00:22:24,294 Speaker 3: behavior on campus, and increase security upgrades at places like 400 00:22:24,375 --> 00:22:29,134 Speaker 3: Jewish schools. Synagogues and community centers. There's also been calls 401 00:22:29,135 --> 00:22:32,254 Speaker 3: from spiritual leaders across the spectrum for calm at this 402 00:22:32,375 --> 00:22:36,614 Speaker 3: time of great sadness. Australia's largest masque, the Amadea Muslim 403 00:22:36,614 --> 00:22:40,974 Speaker 3: Community Australia, has condemned the attack. National President imam inam 404 00:22:41,054 --> 00:22:44,534 Speaker 3: ulhak Kosa, issuing this statement in the hours after the 405 00:22:44,614 --> 00:22:45,574 Speaker 3: horror unfolded. 406 00:22:46,534 --> 00:22:49,294 Speaker 12: We are heartbroken by the brutality of this attack on 407 00:22:49,334 --> 00:22:54,135 Speaker 12: a peaceful community gathering. Such acts of violence, targeting innocent 408 00:22:54,175 --> 00:22:57,415 Speaker 12: people and aiming to sow division and fear have absolutely 409 00:22:57,494 --> 00:23:00,854 Speaker 12: no place in Australia. An attack on any community is 410 00:23:00,854 --> 00:23:01,895 Speaker 12: an attack on all of us. 411 00:23:03,175 --> 00:23:06,334 Speaker 3: As Bondai and the wider Ossie community, Greed Team Quickie 412 00:23:06,334 --> 00:23:08,454 Speaker 3: want to send our thoughts to our Jewish friends and 413 00:23:08,494 --> 00:23:11,294 Speaker 3: their loved ones. The last forty eight hours have been 414 00:23:11,415 --> 00:23:15,535 Speaker 3: horrifying beyond measure, so please know their support available if 415 00:23:15,574 --> 00:23:18,014 Speaker 3: you need it. If you'd like to speak to a professional, 416 00:23:18,054 --> 00:23:22,254 Speaker 3: you can contact Lifeline on thirteen eleven fourteen. We've also 417 00:23:22,294 --> 00:23:24,695 Speaker 3: provided ways you can help the victims of this shocking 418 00:23:24,734 --> 00:23:26,374 Speaker 3: tragedy in our show notes. 419 00:23:27,014 --> 00:23:32,015 Speaker 6: My fellow Australians, I say tonight that there are nights 420 00:23:32,014 --> 00:23:37,014 Speaker 6: that tear at our nation's soul. In this moment of darkness, 421 00:23:37,935 --> 00:23:41,654 Speaker 6: we must be each other's light, hold on to the 422 00:23:41,695 --> 00:23:45,774 Speaker 6: true character of the country that we love. Australia is 423 00:23:45,814 --> 00:23:48,895 Speaker 6: stronger than the cowards who attacked Innis and people today. 424 00:23:49,655 --> 00:23:54,615 Speaker 6: Australia is braver than those who seek to make us afraid. 425 00:23:54,895 --> 00:23:59,774 Speaker 6: Australia will never submit to division, violence or hatred. We 426 00:23:59,895 --> 00:24:04,695 Speaker 6: will see justice done and we will come through this together. 427 00:24:05,655 --> 00:24:08,734 Speaker 3: Will be back with more details in this afternoon's headlines. 428 00:24:09,294 --> 00:24:12,894 Speaker 3: The Quikie is produced by me Taylor Strano, Ilaria Brophy, 429 00:24:13,135 --> 00:24:17,615 Speaker 3: Claire Murphy, Talie Blackman, and Rafaela Chicarelli, with audio production 430 00:24:18,014 --> 00:24:18,734 Speaker 3: by Lou Hill. 431 00:24:23,375 --> 00:24:26,494 Speaker 1: Mamma Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 432 00:24:26,494 --> 00:24:28,174 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on