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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Seize the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but

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Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than

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Speaker 1: one way. So this is a platform to hear and

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Speaker 1: explore the stories of those who found lives They adore,

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Speaker 1: the good, bad and ugly, The best and worst.

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Speaker 2: Day will bear all the facets of seizing your Yea.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sarah Davidson or Spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned

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Speaker 1: unentrepreneur who swapped a suits and heels to co found

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Speaker 1: matcha Maiden and matcha Milk Bar.

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Speaker 2: Seize the ya is.

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Speaker 1: A series of conversations on finding a life you love

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Speaker 1: and exploring the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along

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Speaker 1: the way. Hello, lovely neighborhood, and welcome to our Olympics

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Speaker 1: Spotlight series. As you will know, we are back recording

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Speaker 1: new episodes after our extended ninety two business month hiatus.

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Speaker 1: Now that mum life is becoming a little bit smoother.

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Speaker 1: But given that we find ourselves in the middle of

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Speaker 1: Paris twenty twenty four and it is such a special

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Speaker 1: time for the whole world. I love the Olympics so

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Speaker 1: much I get emotional every time. I thought we'd also

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Speaker 1: do a little Olympic or re release series. We are

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Speaker 1: so lucky to have had so many incredible Olympians as

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Speaker 1: past guests who are also competing right now over in Paris.

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Speaker 1: And while our conversations are from a while back, so

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Speaker 1: please mind the outdated time references. The essence of this

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Speaker 1: show is reflecting on people's different chapters along the way,

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Speaker 1: and I thought it would be fascinating to reflect on

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Speaker 1: how far they've all come since our last chat, some

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Speaker 1: of which were even before the last Olympics in Tokyo.

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Speaker 1: At the time of re recording this intro, we are

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Speaker 1: just a day into the Paralympics for Paris twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: and yet we spoke to this guest back in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty so an entire Olympic cycle ago, and yet she

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Speaker 1: continues to be as inspiring as ever. We were lucky

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Speaker 1: enough to catch up with last night's opening ceremonies flag

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Speaker 1: bearer Madison at Di Rosario. Back when she had become

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Speaker 1: a Barbie Sheiro as she hero, and she had a

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Speaker 1: Barbie dool created in her honor, which was such a

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Speaker 1: huge milestone and we were celebrating with a chat. It

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Speaker 1: was just delightful to get to know her, and I

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Speaker 1: hope you guys enjoy it just as much, while also

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Speaker 1: reflecting on how far she has come. Her first three races,

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Speaker 1: the eight hundred meters, fifteen hundred and five thousand meters,

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Speaker 1: the Stade de France, but it is the marathon that

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Speaker 1: she has said is her main focus, and that is

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Speaker 1: actually the race that she already won in Tokyo. So

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Speaker 1: we'll be following long closely over the next couple of weeks,

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Speaker 1: and in the meantime, I hope you guys enjoyed this

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Speaker 1: one as much as I did. Madison, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: It is such a pleasure to meet you. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: So before we kick off, I start every episode with

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Speaker 1: asking everyone what the most down to her thing is

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Speaker 1: where they're in the media or where there's lots of

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Speaker 1: breaking that down, what's something super normal or relatable about you?

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Speaker 2: Super normal? I am that person that at the beginning

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Speaker 2: of the week goes and grocery shops and meal plans

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I do that too, All of us

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Speaker 2: Some people do, I don't know how. Yeah, I feel

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Speaker 2: like my mom can do it every time, but it's

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Speaker 2: by like I don't know, like raspberries or biolte all

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Speaker 1: And they're like ninety five dollars upon it, So it's

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Speaker 1: first section is called wata, which is pretty much just

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Speaker 2: I don't really remember much from before, Like I've been

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Speaker 2: you know, I speak to people who have later life

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Speaker 2: injuries and it's a trauma, but they feel like they've

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Speaker 2: comes up a lot in conversation where people want to know,

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Speaker 2: the reality is for most of us that absolutely hasn't.

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Speaker 2: It's just been all we've known, and it really is

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Speaker 2: It's just you know, the starting point for whatever life

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Speaker 2: I think that's really important perception to change is we

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Speaker 2: feel like we have two ways of viewing it. It's

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Speaker 2: positive spin on it, where it's you know, this thing happened,

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Speaker 2: I think if we view it as a neutral, it

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Speaker 2: And so for me, I was three nearly four, so

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Speaker 2: it's not it wasn't a life changing event by any means.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I even asking you, I was like, what do

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Speaker 2: I don't know anything from when I was three, absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: So it's been that the whole time. But actually I

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Speaker 2: And I grew up playing sport with my sisters the

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Speaker 1: I love that I actually was reading about your childhood

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Speaker 1: because you played sport with your parents and your dad

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Speaker 2: We never got to see kind of that emotional side

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Speaker 2: and that's such an important part that we don't hear

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Speaker 2: we all deal with I think intense situations privately and

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Speaker 2: on how to deal with them not the best way

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Speaker 2: I feel like I was so lucky to have such

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Speaker 2: it was just teaching us so many good habits and

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Speaker 2: So now did that happen? And I actually read that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So when I was about twelve playing sports with

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Speaker 2: the Paralympics, and I am socoordinated ball sports are not

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Speaker 2: I didn't think that for me that was even option.

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Speaker 2: think a throwing event was what we were kind of

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Speaker 2: That's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Mind you you were fourteen. I mean like I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: So first, you know, being fourteen, being in school, and

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Speaker 1: you mentioned that at the end of primary school is

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Speaker 1: when you started to kind of notice differences. What was

437
00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,120
Speaker 1: your experience around that time of realizing I am different.

438
00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,840
Speaker 1: You know, my possibilities are different. I am about to

439
00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:28,959
Speaker 1: start wheelchair racing.

440
00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,159
Speaker 2: That is still different.

441
00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,560
Speaker 1: There isn't a lot of visibility around disability options and

442
00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,359
Speaker 1: even the fact that it's called a disability.

443
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:36,360
Speaker 2: Like I think.

444
00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,480
Speaker 1: Suddenly I feel like, oh god, I just have so

445
00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,879
Speaker 1: many feelings right now. What was that like for you

446
00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,920
Speaker 1: being so young, suddenly coming to terms with the fact

447
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,640
Speaker 1: that you know, you'd gone into high school. You also

448
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,680
Speaker 1: had the Olympics on the side. Did you have body

449
00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:49,880
Speaker 1: confidence issues come up?

450
00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:49,960
Speaker 2: Like?

451
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,600
Speaker 1: What was that transition like of realizing, oh, this is

452
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,920
Speaker 1: a thing like in my family it never has been,

453
00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:55,639
Speaker 1: but it is.

454
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Speaker 2: It was actually a really strange time, I think is

455
00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 2: I mean, had enormous challenges, but then also like enormous

456
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,639
Speaker 2: highs as well, but kind of from different sides. And

457
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,880
Speaker 2: I feel like the world's kind of never really met

458
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,000
Speaker 2: until I got a bit older. So like going through

459
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,959
Speaker 2: high school, early high school is challenging for all of us.

460
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and we thrown there like girls going through

461
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,639
Speaker 2: like early high school, like the body image issues and

462
00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:22,200
Speaker 2: just so much. It's such a time for all of us,

463
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 2: and I found what I found quite frustrating is I

464
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 2: was doing these amazing things in sport on the side,

465
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 2: but none of my peers were really aware of what

466
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 2: I was doing. And I could tell them about it,

467
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,679
Speaker 2: and like they knew about it. But because there was

468
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 2: you couldn't really watch the Paralympics then the way you

469
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,159
Speaker 2: can now, and you know, no one ever, you know,

470
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,800
Speaker 2: saw me training on a race. When it came to like,

471
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 2: you know, sports classes, I was basically useless, Like it

472
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,400
Speaker 2: was on the ovals on grass. It was like, let's

473
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 2: play like a dodgeball, which is exactly my forte. I'm

474
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 2: just gonna watch basically, like I promise, I'm very good

475
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,439
Speaker 2: at sport. You just have to let me be in

476
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,439
Speaker 2: one that I can excel at. I think this is

477
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,200
Speaker 2: you know, at the time, I definitely didn't have the

478
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,159
Speaker 2: language for standing of it. But it just felt like

479
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 2: two very very separate worlds where you know, I was

480
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 2: viewed so differently in this one in school and I

481
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 2: had so many insecurities, and you know, in this other one,

482
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 2: I was really able to thrive and excel. But I

483
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 2: couldn't find a way to bring them together because one

484
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 2: just didn't have exposure to the others. That was incredibly challenging.

485
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 2: And then for me, on top of that, the body

486
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 2: image stuff started being more complicated because, yeah, the scholars

487
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 2: has started to develop and I've never really had insecurities

488
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 2: that came with being in a wheelchair. It was always like,

489
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,680
Speaker 2: you know, the lack of symmetry and how clothes fit

490
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 2: and you know, all those bits and pieces of it

491
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 2: that I found far more challenging. And it was hard

492
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 2: having I think, a bad relationship with your body in

493
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 2: that way. But then also in sport, you have to

494
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 2: have such a fantastic relationship with your body. You need it.

495
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 2: You know, you want to push it and you want

496
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 2: to basically you're gonna ask it to hurt and read

497
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 2: its limit, and then you know, the next day do

498
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 2: it again for you. And you can't demand that of

499
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 2: your body without having such a good relationship for it.

500
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 2: And so one half of me was wanting that and

501
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 2: like loving and respect it, and the other half of

502
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,239
Speaker 2: me was really hating the body that I was in,

503
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 2: and so bringing those two together in a really healthy

504
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 2: way took a lot of time, and so I think

505
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 2: that was what my biggest challenge kind of twelve to

506
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 2: fifteen was to make you know.

507
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Speaker 1: Both as worlds really really work for me, and at

508
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 1: such a young age, I mean, I don't think many

509
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 1: of us are in an emotional state to be able

510
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: to do that now, let alone at you know, fourteen

511
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 1: or thirteen, when you just your bodies and brains are mess.

512
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 2: You'd yeah, there's no love of emotion like in the disaster.

513
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 2: That's so true. That's exactly how it felt.

514
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: And I find that really interesting as well, that it

515
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 1: had never actually been being in a wheelchair. It was

516
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 1: more the asymmetry from the scoliosis that made you more

517
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:37,639
Speaker 1: self conscious.

518
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And I think a part of that was

519
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 2: I'd been in the chair my whole life. I'd never

520
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 2: viewed it as bad, and going through primary school, being

521
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 2: in a wheelchair is the coolest thing ever, Like, I

522
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 2: think it is so cool, and you know, they want

523
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 2: to jump in a chair and they you know, it's

524
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 2: just a fun thing. No one, you know, I'd never

525
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 2: had any negative attachment to a disability all my chair,

526
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 2: and then the negat of attachment starts kind of happening,

527
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 2: I think for me coincidentally, when the scholars has started

528
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: to develop and that's the thing why I've attached it

529
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 2: to it to the extent that that I did, And

530
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 2: I think it was as you get older, the people

531
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: around you start to have this kind of negative association

532
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 2: with disability because we learned so many different things and

533
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 2: make their decisions and stuff. And I think that kind

534
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 2: of will happen at the same time, which is why

535
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 2: the negative part comes with the scholars is they're not

536
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 2: so much the you know, the chair as such. But

537
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 2: but yeah, I think it's a little bit tied in together.

538
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you are. You're just such a good role

539
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: model in inspiration for other people out there who do

540
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: by default kind of see it as a negative thing,

541
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: but learning that it doesn't have to be that way.

542
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 2: You actually never.

543
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 1: Felt that way exactly, And it's more like other people

544
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: imposing that or like projecting it on you. Yes, do

545
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: you get that a lot in society that people kind

546
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: of project this awkwardness around like, oh you okay, and

547
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: you're like I'm fine, yeah, except.

548
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 2: Yes, And that's actually the biggest thing that you know,

549
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 2: I if I could see one thing change in my lifetime,

550
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 2: it would be exactly exactly that. It's the social impact

551
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 2: as opposed to like having a disability is neither here

552
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 2: nor there. That the biggest struggle of it is definitely external.

553
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 2: It's how society views you. Or even if you look

554
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: at things like accessibility, it's always things that are imposed

555
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 2: on you. It's not the actual disabilit it's causing problems.

556
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: It's you know, the world around you not being designed

557
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: for you. And you know, it's when we view disability

558
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: right now, we do it in a way where that's

559
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 2: what specifically what we're looking at, and we're reducing an

560
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 2: entire person down to disability, and even if that person's

561
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 2: portrayed very positively, their entire identity is still wrapped up

562
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 2: in that one thing. And that's what we see. And

563
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: you know, every conversation, you know, I feel like if

564
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 2: I'm you know, scrolling through like social media and I

565
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 2: see someone you know, in a chair or with a prosthetic,

566
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: I kind of stop and before I look at it,

567
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 2: I'm like, if this article isn't about the disability, I

568
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: will be very surprised. And every time it is, we're

569
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: not saying, hey, I think you know. Actually, Jockey just

570
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 2: did a campaign and they've partnered with Paralympics, which is amazing.

571
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 2: But I was scrolling through and one of their campaigns

572
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: has one of our athletes, here's the leg amp and

573
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: you look at it and there's just no mention of it.

574
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: And that surprised me. And I hate that surprised me

575
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: because every time we see disability, the content is also

576
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 2: about it. We're never just seeing it and then seeing

577
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 2: like an entire person with no attention being drawn to it.

578
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 2: And I realize I'm saying that whilst having spoken about

579
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 2: disability with the life No.

580
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Speaker 1: No, But I think the exposure is what normalizes it,

581
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 1: Like you're talking about it, like this is what tweaks

582
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 1: people in their mind to go, you're not a disabled person, yeah,

583
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: or a disabled athlete, You're just an athlete exactly.

584
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: Yes, And the disability like makes up a small part

585
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: of who I am. And I feel like it's one

586
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: of those things that you don't so much learn from

587
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 2: being told. Like I could get up, you know, in

588
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: front of how many people and talk and tell you

589
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: know how to view disability, but that's not going to

590
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 2: change perceptions as much as like having people disabilities like

591
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: in the workplace, like working beside and just normalizing that thing.

592
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: Because I think the way we treat people disabilities is

593
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: so I guess rude in our discomfort around things we're

594
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 2: not familiar with.

595
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: Yes, I haven't grown up with someone in a chair.

596
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,959
Speaker 1: You don't know how to get that. Yeah, we like

597
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: get them out of it, or can they do it themselves?

598
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: Like you never want to be rude or yeah, seem

599
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,880
Speaker 1: like you're being belittling or anything exactly.

600
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 2: And it's this thing. It always comes from such a

601
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 2: good place, it just ends up in like an awkward

602
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: kind of interaction. So it's this kind of weird balance

603
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 2: we're trying to strike. But just like constant exposure is

604
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: what's going to change that. So yeah, and right now

605
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: we're moving in such a good direction, and I'm so

606
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: thankful that sport is at the forefront of that, that

607
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 2: I get to be a part of that where where

608
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: people disabilities are like you know, shadowing that glass ceiling

609
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 2: and changing perceptions and we're on your screens, are on billboards,

610
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: you know, im media at the moment, and I love

611
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: seeing that. I love seeing just in the time of

612
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 2: my career and even just in the last five years,

613
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: how much it's changed. And I'm so excited to see

614
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 2: how much that changes before before I'm done. Oh how exciting.

615
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: Well talk us through that career. Three Paralympic appearances, absolutely

616
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: smashed it, taken home three silver medals.

617
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: You're heading to.

618
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: Tokyo this year. It's your fourth Paralympics. Like that is

619
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: extraordinary and you're like literally twenty six years and in

620
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: between that so many other metals and you've got records

621
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: like the World para Athletics Calm Games. Tell us about

622
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: your career. What is it like to be in a stadium,

623
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: What is it like to wear the uniform and to

624
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: be part of Apparalympic Games and to set you know,

625
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: what do you even feel when you see yourself on

626
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: TV or you set a record and you know you've

627
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: actually smashed a world record, Like, oh my god.

628
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 2: That's oh my goodness, I'm that's one of the most

629
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 2: unreal feelings. I don't really have the words, but I

630
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 2: think putting on the green and gold never stops being

631
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: an overwhelming feeling. I think people don't fully realize that

632
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: when we're out there in the stadium and you know

633
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: where everbody is in London and Reo in you know, Beijing,

634
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: wherever it is. When you're wearing the green and gold.

635
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: I feel like you really are taking everyone who's had

636
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 2: some kind of impact on your journey with you there,

637
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 2: and it's amazing doing that in front of a home stadium,

638
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: like I was so grateful for, you know, the Commeth

639
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 2: Games experience in twenty eighteen, getting to you know, do

640
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 2: that and you know, win a race in front of

641
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 2: home crowd of Australians. But you know, I think when

642
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 2: we travel, we're taking all of that with us and

643
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: we feel the support when we're over there, and you

644
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: really do feel like you're a part of something much bigger.

645
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 2: And I race kind of in two separate ways, like

646
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 2: on the track for Australia but also like marathoning professionally,

647
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: and I love that, but it's not that overwhelming feeling

648
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: of being a part of something so much bigger, which

649
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: is what I love about about racing for Australia. And

650
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 2: my team that I get to travel with really is

651
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: like a second family there, you know, the most amazing

652
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: group of people that I'm so lucky that I get

653
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: to kind of do this job with. But overall, the

654
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: career has been, you know, so many ups and downs,

655
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: and I think it's changed so much from the beginning

656
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: to where I am now, and it's helped to, I think,

657
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: kind of shape me as a person in so many ways.

658
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 2: And I feel like the way that I approach sport

659
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: has changed so much between you know, fourteen year on

660
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: me not knowing what I was.

661
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: Doing in the birds Men's or in life or you're

662
00:28:55,080 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: like a minute old, that's so credit, Yeah.

663
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: And it's yeah, it's gotten to shape who I am

664
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: as a person and I feel very thankful for that.

665
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: How do you train? Like what are your favorite distances?

666
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: And you've mentioned I actually did read that that you

667
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: did the London Marathon recently? Was it recently? Yeah, I've

668
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: done the London Marathon last few years. Yeah, so you're

669
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: long distance and shorter distances. Yes. So in in wheelchair

670
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: racing we get to span, you know, more distances than

671
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: you can running. It's less impact on the joints and

672
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: the training compliments more distances. Yeah. So I primarily race

673
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: marathons throughout the year. That's still be my main event,

674
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: but when it comes to a Paralympics and World Championships,

675
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: I'll race the longer events on the tracks and up

676
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: to the marathon. So eight hundred hundred five thousand, and

677
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: the marathon.

678
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, a marathon and Paralympic yes.

679
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, So it's on the on the last day,

680
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: it'll be on the day of the closing ceremony, and

681
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,239
Speaker 2: it's it's a it's a fall on program. I've never

682
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: done all of it before. In Rio, I chose not

683
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: to race the marathon and we started kind of the

684
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: year after really building into it, which I think was

685
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,719
Speaker 2: a great decision in hindsight, because that marathon started at

686
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: midday and half the field pulled out because of the hate.

687
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: So I think we made the right calls. So, yeah,

688
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: Tokyo will be my first time racing a full program,

689
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: and they are you doing all of them? I'll do yeah,

690
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: four events, with the last one being the marathon. So

691
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: it's my first time doing that, so we'll see how

692
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:19,719
Speaker 2: it goes. Oh my gosh.

693
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: And how are you preparing for that? What does that involve?

694
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: Is it lots of weights? Like are you obviously it's

695
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: mostly your arms, But from a technical perspective, like what

696
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: is the technique of wheelchair racing or do you all

697
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: have different techniques depending on how much upper body or

698
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: how much lower body, Like are there, you know.

699
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that that's exactly right, exactly right. There's a

700
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: few different kind of styles of wheelchair racing, and so

701
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: the way I push, I'm I'm probably one of the

702
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: smaller people like physically out there, and so my my

703
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: technique is probably leaning towards being more efficient because I

704
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: don't quite have the power that's some of the women

705
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: out there have. They're just incredibly strong humans. So mine

706
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: is a little bit more efficient, which I think lends

707
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: itself to the longer events. And it's a little bit

708
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: stressful because it means I get off the line very

709
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: slowly compared to some of the others, and so mentally

710
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: I have to prepare for the fact that, like in

711
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: an eight hundred for four hundred meters of that, I'm

712
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: going to be like very back, and I just have

713
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: to kind of fix that at some point. Yeah, you'll gain,

714
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: you'll gain. But the actual training at the moment is

715
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: about ten sessions a week. Seven of those are in

716
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: the race turn three in the gym, and the gym

717
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: sessions are kind of designed to compliment the chair sessions

718
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: to kind of keep me strong enough and in one

719
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: piece to execute the chair sessions as well. As we can.

720
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: And the chair sessions are made up of some sessions

721
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: on the like the track, the athletics track, some are

722
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:35,959
Speaker 2: on the road and they're al is done with like

723
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: a cyclist because they're kind of in the cycle pith

724
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: out of my way basically just as a couple of

725
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: cyclists and high viz so I can do my thing.

726
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: And then we do a little bit of indoor training

727
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: as well, which is really interesting and so we've made

728
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: the most like developments in the last couple of years.

729
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: So we have a treadmill, like a giant dreadmill, and

730
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: you can program it to be the elevation of like

731
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: different courses and stuff. Wow, so you can do hill

732
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: repeats on it if you want. But what we've been

733
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: using at forest programming specific parts of marathons into the treadmill,

734
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: so you kind of go up and down like the

735
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: Boston Hills or something, and then when you get to

736
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: the actual course you have that familiarity with it. And

737
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: then we train on rollers, which is kind of like

738
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: again it's a stationary tool, and we often put it

739
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: in like a climate chamber, so it's a heat and

740
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: altitude and humidity, which is disgusting as it sounds, but

741
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: in terms of like, you know, we're racing in in

742
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: Tokyo in a few months, and so we're just trying

743
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: to prepare for this. Conditions are actually going to look

744
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: like we do. We do a lot of work in that. Yeah, fascinating.

745
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: And how is your racing chair different from your day

746
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: to day chair?

747
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: It's completely different. So the race chair is three wheels,

748
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: and there's yeah, oh my gosh. Oh, we'll talk about

749
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,959
Speaker 2: that next. There's a little miniature version. We'll talk about it. Yeah,

750
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: the racing chair, it's a longer frame. So there's the

751
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: two back wheels and the kind of at a camber

752
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: at at an angle to make they turn very very

753
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: well with the one wheel out the front. And there's

754
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: two kinds of steering on a one specific to the

755
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 2: track and ones you know, more designed for the road.

756
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, very different chairs.

757
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my gosh, I actually didn't even I should

758
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: have looking at them right now, like, wow, they're not

759
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: even remotely to each other. So this mini mads that

760
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: we have in front of us, the chair that we

761
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: just referred to tell us about this.

762
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: This is very exciting. Oh man, I feel like this

763
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: is like the peak of my career and I can

764
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: retire now after this all done finish pretty much. Yes,

765
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: this is a campaign with Barbie. So every year for the

766
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: last few years, you know, Barbio show picks someone to

767
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: make a doll out of and and this year for

768
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, it was me. And it's the highest compliment

769
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: I've ever been paid.

770
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine having a Barbie off myself.

771
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: No, Mini mad I'm looking at it and I still

772
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 2: can't believe it either. So it's got your beautiful hair.

773
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: It's so cool. Thank you.

774
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: So it's part of the Shiro campaign, which is she Hero,

775
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: so clever and just recognizes women in the community for

776
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: International Women's Day who are doing incredible things and inspiring

777
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: people all over the you know, the world to be fearless,

778
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: fierce women. And this is incredible.

779
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 2: Look at it. I just I'm so follown away. You

780
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: must be like, whoa, that's me. I know I've seen

781
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 2: it a few times now and it's still my reactions.

782
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: I can't fully wrap my head around it. Oh gosh.

783
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, what does it mean to have this role

784
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 1: and to be part of this campaign.

785
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 2: It's huge. I think it's always sport is one of

786
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: those things where I feel like a lot of us

787
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: do and don't realize the impact that it has. With

788
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: the reach that it has, I think, you know, it

789
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: takes up so much of your time and life, and

790
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 2: I work so closely with you know, my performance team,

791
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: and it's kind of a little bubble that we exist

792
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: in just trying to you know, get you know, whatever

793
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: games we can kind of in sport. And then I

794
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: think when you you know, put your head up for

795
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: a second, you can kind of see the impact that

796
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: it has, and campaigns like this is exactly that. And

797
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: one of the big things that I think sport is

798
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 2: incredible for is the impact that it has on communities

799
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 2: and the reach that it has. Everyone's involved in sport

800
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 2: in some capacity, whether you're competing or in administration or

801
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: just you know, watching it or or whatever, all somehow

802
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 2: invested in it and it reaches everyone. And the biggest

803
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: thing that I want to do with sport and once

804
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: I'm done, is use the whatever platform that it's built

805
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: to have a better impact. I think the direction that

806
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 2: Australia is going is to be one of the most

807
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: authentically inclusive places in the world for women, people disabilities,

808
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: for for every minority and and I want to see

809
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: that happen and I want to do everything in my

810
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 2: power to be a part of that, and you know,

811
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: to move in that direction. And what Barby's doing with

812
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: his campaign is exactly that. It's just creates, creating just

813
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 2: authentic visibility, and it's such a huge platform and to

814
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,959
Speaker 2: be able to do more, and you know, I think

815
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 2: everything that I want to do is so in line

816
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: with all of Barbie's values as well. I think the

817
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: more I learn about the company, the more I'm so

818
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: impressed and amazed and flattered that you know, I was

819
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: picked to align with that and for Barbie's doing in

820
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: terms of just that authentic visibility, it's such an inclusive

821
00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: range and you want goals and every child but see themselves,

822
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: you know, portrayed. And there's kind of two sides to

823
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: the visibility coin. There's one is seeing yourself in adult

824
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: I think is so important growing up and seeing things

825
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 2: like you is so important. But then for your peers

826
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 2: to also see you portrayed is so important. And that's

827
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: what Barbie's doing by just having like a really authentically

828
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: inclusive range. And yeah, to be a part of that

829
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: is huge. Oh, congratulations. When I found out, I was like,

830
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: this is amazing. That was exactly my reaction to.

831
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: And I mean, like, I've played with Barbie since I

832
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: was a kid, and it is one of those kind

833
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: of staple brands that introduces all of us to dolls

834
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: and people.

835
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 2: You know, it's such a big part of people's childhoods.

836
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: And for that point, you know, touch point so early

837
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: in our lives, to be inclusive is like setting everything

838
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: up for change and progress.

839
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 2: I think it's fat. Yeah, exactly, it completely is. And

840
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: I think Barbie's really addressing you know, that kind of

841
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: side of things. And one of the one of the

842
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: huge projects is the dream gap that I've been learning

843
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: about at the moment. It's recognizing that there is a

844
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: gap between you know, boys and girls as they get

845
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 2: older and what they think they're capable of. And you know,

846
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 2: I think Barbie is using the huge platform they have

847
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: in the enormous reach that they have to really address

848
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 2: that and close their gap. And that's the most perfect

849
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: use for a platform like they have.

850
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: Oh well, I'm yeah, congratulations. I think you are such

851
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: a wonderful, wonderful candidate for the role.

852
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: And I'm so excited to see what to do with it.

853
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: So the next section, as I mentioned, is n ATA,

854
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: which we've kind of interweaved a little bit, but also

855
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: if there are any other challenges along the way that

856
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: you wanted to mention, And I think this is the

857
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: bit where often you know, this stuff doesn't make the press.

858
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: You get all the big headlines, you get Paralympics and

859
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: records and stuff, but you often don't hear, you know,

860
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: challenges you've.

861
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: Had outside your disability.

862
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: For example, I'm sure people don't often ask you about

863
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: anything other than what does it been like to be different?

864
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: You know, there's also gender inequalities as well as disability discrimination.

865
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 1: There's self doubt that all of us have, or there's

866
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 1: burnout when you're so passionate about a goal, a particularly

867
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: a physical one that takes so much training, Like what

868
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: have been you know those challenges for you? And also

869
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: in getting a bigger profile, have you had the problem

870
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: with building a platform is that you get as many

871
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: haters as you have supporters, and that that can be

872
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: a challenge as well.

873
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's actually I think in more recent year

874
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: has been a big one. But I think that the

875
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 2: biggest challenge that I've had in mine is In twenty fourteen,

876
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: we were training for the Glasgow Commonwalth Games and it

877
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 2: was after I'd switched from shorter distances and started building

878
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 2: for longer stuff. And I was, by father, the fittest,

879
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: the fastest I'd ever been, and I think I was

880
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 2: going into these commonwarf Games with this is going to be,

881
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 2: you know it, like I was going to you know,

882
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: leave my mark kind of a thing. And coming out

883
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: of a twenty twelve Paralympics, I'd had a train wreck

884
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 2: of a games. I hadn't made it onto the podium,

885
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: and I was determined that this was going to be very,

886
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 2: very different. And we got to So we were staging

887
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 2: in Newcastle in the UK, and we got there and

888
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: I basically got sent straight to hospital with like a

889
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: forty centimeter blowclot and just casually, just casually. Yeah, it

890
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 2: was I got it on the on the flight over,

891
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 2: and it was this you know, massive back and forward

892
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 2: whether I could still race or not. And at the

893
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 2: end of the day the decision was was to not

894
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: the Yeah, the procedure to get rid of something like

895
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: that very quickly was a little bit intense, and so

896
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: eventually the decision you know, our medical teammate called to

897
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 2: not but same token. I wasn't allowed to be unsupervised.

898
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: I had to be with someone twenty four seven, So

899
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna leave the village. Normally, if you're injured

900
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 2: not racing, basically you go home, you go on holiday,

901
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: like you just wonder exactly what you want, Whereas this one,

902
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: I had to stay in the village because I had

903
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 2: to stay with the medical team, And so I was

904
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 2: rooming with one of my absolute best friend's teammate, Anji Ballad,

905
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 2: and she was still racing. So it was kind of

906
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: this weird balance of well, you had to watch it

907
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: exactly exactly, and also like kind of in the week

908
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 2: leader still be a you know, give her the environment

909
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: she needed to be the best athlete, and she's the gentlest,

910
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: most beautiful person, and so she was worried about me,

911
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: and I was like, worried about you. This is a game,

912
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 2: it's like disaster exactly. And I remember watching, you know,

913
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: from the stands this race and she won, and it

914
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: was like this the shortest most intense roller coaster emotion

915
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 2: period where there was this I wish I'd been in

916
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: this race, and this overwhelming, like this is my best

917
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 2: friend who's just you know, won this title and her

918
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 2: being the most beautiful person in the world. I remember

919
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 2: like running to like post event to see her as

920
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: soon as I can, and the first thing she does

921
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: is hugs me and goes like are you okay? Are

922
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 2: you doing okay? And I'm like, I love you so much,

923
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: like you know, And so that was a bit of

924
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: a bit of a roller coast. I actually got stuck

925
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 2: in Glasgow for three more weeks before I was allowed

926
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 2: to travel after that, and my sister flew over from

927
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 2: Perth and so we basically hung out in Scotland for

928
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: three weeks, which was like great, And I got home

929
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: was ready to get back into training and I'd take

930
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 2: another month out. I've been training for a week and

931
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: then I spilled boiling hot water all over myself and

932
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: I think with like seventeen percent of my body and

933
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: like second degree burns. It was a bit of a nightmare.

934
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: I had run. But with all of that, just before

935
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 2: all this had happened, I wasn't sure how I was

936
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: approaching the sport, if I was doing it right. I

937
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 2: think we have this mentality around sport and athletes that

938
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 2: it's this really intense competitive win it will cost sort

939
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 2: of mentality and I don't really have that, and I

940
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: wasn't sure how to make it work. And there was

941
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: a lot of external pressure to be that person. I

942
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 2: would have, you know, people try to fire me up

943
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: before I would race because I wasn't taking it serious

944
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 2: enough exactly, and it would I would just get so confused,

945
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 2: and I couldn't race when I was you know, upset

946
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: or angry or trying to be fiery and trying to

947
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: work out how to do that. And I knew that

948
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 2: I loved the sport, but I knew I couldn't be

949
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 2: that person either, and I didn't know how to make

950
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: the two work. And so before those calm games, a

951
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: part of me was, I think, halfway out the door

952
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 2: on it because I didn't think I could make it work.

953
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 2: And being forced to take such a huge amount of time,

954
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: you know, out of the check and had a racing

955
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: and away from all of it, and also watching that

956
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 2: race happen and not being a part of it, I

957
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 2: knew how much I hated that feeling, and it kind

958
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: of forced me to reassess how I was looking at

959
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: it and how I approached it, and I think my

960
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 2: coach and I we had a huge conversation going in.

961
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: I was super open for the first time about all

962
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 2: those concerns I was having that I wasn't the person

963
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: to get the job done. And she has more faith

964
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: in me than anyone I've ever met, and I think

965
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: despite not understanding my process, because she is that fierce competitor,

966
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 2: we kind of sat with it for a bit and

967
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 2: she was like, well, how do we make this work?

968
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: How do we make this work for you? And again,

969
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: it kind of goes back to everything that my mom

970
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 2: has done and instilled, and it seemed like the most

971
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 2: obvious thing to be like, Okay, how do we make

972
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: this work? Actually, and we developed a whole new process

973
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: and a whole new approach to racing and training, which

974
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 2: I've managed to apply, you know, to life as well,

975
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: and I just fell back in love with the sports.

976
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 2: So while that was by far the Lowes's point in

977
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: my career, and you know, it was really challenging, I

978
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: think what came of it is genuinely a really, a

979
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: really good thing. I know that sounds like the biggest cliche,

980
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 2: but but I think it's because it's true. Yeah, and

981
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 2: everything and how we train, how we raise, and the

982
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: communication that I have with my coach is all kind

983
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 2: of developed from that really tricky moment that we had

984
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 2: to kind of, you know, come out of. And I'm

985
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I'm really grateful for it. Absolutely.

986
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: I think it's a cliche because it does happen over

987
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: and over and over again that sometimes you have to

988
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 1: hit rock bottom to build the strongest foundations for whatever

989
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: comes next. And also that often you have whatever you know,

990
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: particularly in sport, but whatever your vocation is, you often

991
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: have your best breakthroughs after you take time away from it,

992
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: either forced or voluntary. Either way is after distance and

993
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: like actually getting out of just doing, like the doing

994
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: that you get to think about it and start again.

995
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it gives you an opportunity to

996
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: think about why it is you're actually doing something and

997
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: to reset. And I have found now I'm better able

998
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 2: to step back and work at why I'm doing whatever

999
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: it is that I'm doing. Whenever I start to you know,

1000
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: doubt or wonder if it's for me, or if you

1001
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: know all the sacrifices are worth it, you kind of

1002
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: look back at why you started in the first place,

1003
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: And it was that moment, you know, being forced to

1004
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: take time that forced me to have that conversation. And

1005
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: I think going forward, you don't necessarily have to have

1006
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 2: the time of the time I'm forced you to know,

1007
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: have those conversations, but if we can kind of have

1008
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 2: them without you know, the negative reason to do it,

1009
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 2: that kind of negative catalyst, I think that's so much healthy,

1010
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: and we don't always take time to do that for ourselves.

1011
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 2: I think we get so caught up in just in

1012
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 2: just doing and it's so rapid and overwhelming, but taking

1013
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 2: a sec to work out why and like falling back

1014
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: in love with whatever it is you're doing, is Yeah,

1015
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: it's worth it every time.

1016
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: And I got goosebumps just before listening to you talk

1017
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: about how you know it did help you work out

1018
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: what the two things that you wanted to do and

1019
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: how you wanted to make them work together. And I

1020
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,959
Speaker 1: just was like, that's exactly what you were just saying

1021
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: about what your mom did was to figure out the

1022
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: ingredients around her that made things work for her. And

1023
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: it was just I was like, oh my god, it's

1024
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: all haven't it into place.

1025
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: I actually had this really beautiful moment with my mom

1026
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 2: about a year ago, I think, when I was basically

1027
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 2: putting together something to took an International Women's Day it

1028
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: would have been this time last year actually, and I

1029
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 2: was thinking about, you know, the women in my life

1030
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 2: and the impact they've had it and my coach is

1031
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 2: one and my mum was one, and it was at

1032
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 2: that point that I kind of realized those parallels between

1033
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 2: like my sporting world and what my mum has done.

1034
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 2: And I'm a calling her straight away to be like,

1035
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: you've done this, like this is what you did, and

1036
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: it was like she hadn't realized that that was what

1037
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 2: she was doing either, and it was such a cool

1038
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 2: kind of to get to tell her, like, you know,

1039
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: that is the person she is, and it was I've

1040
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 2: kind of heard her repeat it back in conversations and

1041
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: it's like, I'm so proud of her. I mean you

1042
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: can tell like I know, you literally glow every time

1043
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: you mentioned her. It's so sweet.

1044
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,919
Speaker 1: And I think also in this NATO section is where

1045
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: you really do get to call out the why International

1046
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: Women's Day is so important, because it is those really

1047
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: strong role models and supports that we have around us

1048
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: and women and men, but particularly women be We just

1049
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 1: have such unique struggles and just volume of thoughts and

1050
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: doubts and issues in our brains.

1051
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: Only we can identify with each other.

1052
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: I think most people who are doing great things are

1053
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: supported by an amazing, amazing community of strong women behind them,

1054
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: which is why it's so important to be that woman

1055
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 1: who supports and who is willing to receive support.

1056
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 2: I completely agree with that, and I think that's the

1057
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: most beautiful thing about our community is how willing we

1058
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: all are to do that. I think we've all had

1059
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 2: so many similar struggles that it kind of comes as

1060
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: a second age, and you know how to help another

1061
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: woman who's having those experiences. I was on a panel

1062
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 2: yesterday and I think Lisa Jones put it better than

1063
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 2: I could. But basically, I think every woman in encounter's

1064
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: imposter syndrome more so than you know our male counterparts do.

1065
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: And we've all experienced that and know what it feels like,

1066
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 2: and it feels like we're all just out there sort

1067
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: of trying to make it work but not really knowing

1068
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 2: if we are. And I think we were also familiar

1069
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 2: with that experience, and that kind of I don't know,

1070
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: brings us all together a little bit and combat that.

1071
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 2: And it's an awful little demon to have, I think

1072
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: in your cornermat how successful you are. And this is

1073
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: Lisil saying that she's one of the you know, the

1074
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 2: most successful humans I ever e than that, and she

1075
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: still has that, you know demon. I think we all do.

1076
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: And I think at the moment, women across every industry

1077
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: are banding together in a way that I've never seen

1078
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: before to combat that and let us kind of just

1079
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: be really authentic and not have to, you know, justify

1080
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: the space we take up every step of the way,

1081
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 2: which we've done forever. And I love seeing so many

1082
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 2: women come together to do that. And International Women's Days

1083
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: just an excuse to celebrate that and really, you know,

1084
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: amplify that and I love it.

1085
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: Oh that's so beautiful and yeah, so true. Just echoes

1086
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: everything that I believe about the day. And I'm so

1087
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: honored to have you on as the guest favors for

1088
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: the weekend. So the very last section is called Playta,

1089
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,479
Speaker 1: which is where we dive a little deeper into who

1090
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: Maddie is outside of athlete Maddie or disabled Maddie, or

1091
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: role model Mattie or speaker Maddie you know, there are

1092
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: so many hats that we wear all the time, and

1093
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: particularly when you're as passionate as you are about the

1094
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: things that you do and what that stands for, it's

1095
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 1: very hard to make any time to separate out who

1096
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: you are when you're just being like we're always doing.

1097
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: We're human beings, we're not human doings, and yet somehow

1098
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: we define ourselves by our output. And I think a

1099
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: lot of people just don't even know who they are

1100
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: outside of what they do. But I'm hoping that you

1101
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: have an answer for the way that you play and

1102
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: get back in touch with your childlike self and just

1103
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 1: enjoy all the things that aren't sport or that aren't

1104
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: being a raw model.

1105
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: All the time.

1106
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: It's a big burden to carry, so surely you take

1107
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: some time off and do some things to play.

1108
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 2: That's such a tricky one, but I think the I

1109
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: don't know that thing that's kind of forced me to

1110
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 2: step back from all of it is I've got a

1111
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: dog about two years ago, Sebastian. Yes, Sebastian, and I

1112
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: love him, and he was a very rash decision in

1113
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: that I travel so much, and I was like, I

1114
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: don't actually know how I'm going to make this work,

1115
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: but I was like, I'll work that out later. So

1116
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: I have this beautiful little dog, and he's a rat bag,

1117
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 2: and he needs so much attention and so much exercise.

1118
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: So if I don't walk him for an hour, he

1119
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 2: doesn't just draw an hour, he doesn't destroy anything. I'm

1120
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: so glad, but he will just cry. And if I'm

1121
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: like trying to like rest after training, i haven't walked him,

1122
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 2: he will just stack toys on top of me and

1123
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: cry until I take him out. And it sort of

1124
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 2: forced me to just do something for an hour that

1125
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 2: that isn't you know, racing or or that advocacy stuff

1126
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: or studying or anything like that. And I use that

1127
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 2: time when I am at walking him, you know, I

1128
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 2: call home my family or lives in Perth still, so

1129
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 2: I will. I'm on the phone with my family for

1130
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: an hour every day now, which I wasn't doing for

1131
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: the last you know, three years before before I got him.

1132
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 2: And it's just the best excuse to kind of like

1133
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 2: take time out from all of that. And for a

1134
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 2: little while I was listening to like my union lectures

1135
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: while I was walking him, And I've stopped doing that

1136
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 2: because it's just a chance to not do that. But

1137
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: also I feel like every time we try and you know,

1138
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 2: take down time, we feel like we should be doing

1139
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 2: something else. And totally, yeah, I think we can all

1140
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: relate to that. But it's enough that I feel like

1141
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: I'm doing something because I'm walking my rat bag of

1142
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: a dog. But also it's it's such a time that

1143
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 2: I get for me and I love the little guy

1144
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: so much, so I love, you know, being out there

1145
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 2: with him and calling home, and it's actually become probably

1146
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: like the best part of my day. Oh, that's so beautiful.

1147
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: And I do think that one of the things we

1148
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: fall into as a trap often is that we do think, oh,

1149
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: I'm going for a walk round, I'm having a bath,

1150
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: like I'm resting, But then we're also listening to lectures

1151
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: or like business podcasts or some way to learn more

1152
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: or like extend ourselves. And I'm like, that's not really

1153
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: giving a brain a break, that's not really rest it's

1154
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: just kind of like being productive even more than you

1155
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: were before.

1156
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. I like I'm meal prepping or like driving,

1157
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: I'm like listening to like UNI lectures and I'm like,

1158
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 2: what are they doing? Right.

1159
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so glad you allow yourself that hour to

1160
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: just enjoy, because I feel like we're not built to

1161
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,479
Speaker 1: just work and die. Even if you love your work,

1162
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: it's just not That's not what it's about. There has

1163
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: to be something that makes you happy and that you

1164
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: do just for joy. I know you like Disney.

1165
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 2: I do. I love Disney as well well. I have

1166
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: like a Disney related tattoo actually, which I've had since

1167
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 2: I was like this has never land, Yes, tell us

1168
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 2: More's it's actually from the book I loved. I loved

1169
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 2: like jam Barry's books, so it was kind of from

1170
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 2: that was my first tattoo when I was nineteen. Yeah, no,

1171
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: like yesterday basically basically, And no, I love it and

1172
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 2: it's you know, I think it's changed for me what

1173
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 2: it's meant, you know, over the years, But it's just

1174
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 2: this idea of I don't know, a place where you

1175
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 2: kind of get to be you all the time, and

1176
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, I kind of love it. But yeah, no,

1177
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 2: the Disney for sure is still I love it. It

1178
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 2: just takes It's just beautiful. I love it.

1179
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: I think anything that brings back you're in a child

1180
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: and reminds you who you were when you were carefree

1181
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: and just playing and toiling around and getting lost in

1182
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: the stories. It's so so much fun. We have Disney Plass,

1183
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: like the day that it came out, like, oh my god,

1184
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 1: I was.

1185
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 2: Subscribing, Oh my god, me too, me too.

1186
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: So second last question, just to finish out, what are

1187
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: the three interesting things about you that don't normally come

1188
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: up in conversation? And tattoos is usually one of them,

1189
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: but we used.

1190
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 2: That up already, so give me three new ones, three

1191
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 2: new ones. I already brought my dog up as well

1192
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 2: by bringing up in every conversation that doesn't really count.

1193
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: Actually wasn't very hard to find that information at all.

1194
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 2: The degree that I'm currently starting is basically my third

1195
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 2: one because I can't finish anything, so I started. I

1196
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: started a double degree when I was in Perth. It

1197
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: was going to be secondary teaching and sports science, and

1198
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 2: I pretty much backed out of it when the travel

1199
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 2: became a lot because there were quite hands on units

1200
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: and the first time that they brought like the sports

1201
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 2: science side of things there was like a cadaver and

1202
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 2: I wasn't ready for it, and I think I was

1203
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 2: so shocked, just traumatized, and that's my fault for not

1204
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: reading the briefings well enough. Like I knew it was

1205
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 2: happening at some point, but I wasn't ready. And I

1206
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 2: walked in and I was like absolutely not gone back.

1207
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 2: Oh my god, did you seriously just leave? I called

1208
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 2: the sports I had been like the next day and

1209
00:52:55,239 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 2: I was like, anyway, I'm done. I'm out. So that's one.

1210
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: So what are you doing now? I'm getting my business degree?

1211
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 2: So I just picked a couple of majors like last week,

1212
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: So yes, I will slowly do that. That's so Griffith University,

1213
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 2: and they've been unreal with helping me balance everything. They've

1214
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: been amazing.

1215
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: I love how you're like in all my spare time,

1216
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: I'm doing a degree.

1217
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: I know it's actually so good because it helps you balance.

1218
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: I feel like even if I just take time off,

1219
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 2: I end up overthinking racing. Oras this forces me to

1220
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: think about like it's so different. Like I was doing

1221
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: an economics unit and I was like, I can't think

1222
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 2: about racing because I'm so frustrated right now.

1223
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what else, like a middle name or

1224
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: do you have like party tricks or pet.

1225
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 2: Peeves My Okay, So my middle name is Tate and

1226
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 2: the reason for this is my older sister's name is

1227
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 2: Alexandra Elizabeth deers are you, And it's the longest name

1228
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: you could think of. And it's because my parents were

1229
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 2: fighting over Alexandra or Elizabeth as a first name, and

1230
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: when they hadn't decided, and then when she was born,

1231
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 2: my mum wanted Alexandra. My dad basically held her up

1232
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 2: and was like Alexander Elizabeth Thirozari, like, you know, I

1233
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 2: agreeing with my mom. And then as she got old,

1234
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 2: they're like, this is the longest name in the world.

1235
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 2: We can't deal with that hard. It's so many syllables.

1236
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: And so when they had myself and my little sister,

1237
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 2: we both have one syllable middle names and like shorter

1238
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: firs names for that readson She's Kennedy Jane and I'm

1239
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 2: Madison Tape. Oh. They both have a really good ring

1240
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 2: to them. Thank you so good. I actually like that.

1241
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: This is the like two syllable one syllables and that

1242
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: is so weird. And this is even weirder that I'm

1243
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: saying this right now. But we're not actually we're not

1244
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: trying for babies yet. Like we just got married, like

1245
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: it's on the cards, but we already have our children's

1246
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: I love that. And our daughter's name is going to

1247
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: be Elizabeth Alexandra. Oh my gosh, yes, because my mom's

1248
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: name is Elizabeth and her hometown that we go. We

1249
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: still have my grandmother's house after she passed away. He's

1250
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: called Alexandra. My middle name is Alexandra, my brother's name

1251
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: is Alexander, and Nick's sister's name.

1252
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 2: Is Sarah Elizabeth. Oh my goodness, I know.

1253
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: So all these names are just like and we've always

1254
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: wanted to call our child Lily, which Elizabeth is kind

1255
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: of long. Yeah, can be the long version of Lily.

1256
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: So Lily Alexandra.

1257
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 2: I love that that. I was like, oh my god,

1258
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,919
Speaker 2: oh my god, that's amazing, so good, perfect name, shoss. Okay,

1259
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 2: that's led me to my third fact. Then in that case,

1260
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 2: I found this amazing like woman who is now my

1261
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 2: headdress up and I love her is amazing. Thank you.

1262
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 2: What color are you naturally? Like really dark? Like your

1263
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 2: color dark? Yeah, it's so much even. Okay, so I

1264
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 2: think you know your mom is meant to love like

1265
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 2: natural you. I went back to dark for like a

1266
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 2: year and she was like, no, I hate it. I

1267
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 2: was like, you're not meant to say that this is me, Oh, Naturale,

1268
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: leave me alone exactly. But I was like tigging with

1269
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 2: her for a little bit and then I saw her

1270
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 2: Instagram and her name is like Alex Kennedy, like that's

1271
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 2: her full name, which is both my sisters. And so

1272
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 2: now like you know, I trust her with my life.

1273
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: Oh you're like, this is this is a thing. I

1274
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: don't know anything about you, but I will come and visit.

1275
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 2: I know her now.

1276
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: And the very last question, since I love quote so much,

1277
00:55:58,440 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: what's your favorite quote?

1278
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,919
Speaker 2: There's one that's kind of circulating with women in any

1279
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 2: industry and it's if you can see it, you can

1280
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 2: be it. And that just is everything that I think

1281
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 2: is important to me.

1282
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: So oh, that is so beautiful. What a wonderful way

1283
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: to think,