1 00:00:10,745 --> 00:00:15,265 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mama Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:15,305 --> 00:00:18,345 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,465 --> 00:00:21,585 Speaker 1: is recorded on Hey you bees, Lee here popping into 4 00:00:21,625 --> 00:00:24,625 Speaker 1: your ears again because I want you to hear something 5 00:00:24,825 --> 00:00:29,065 Speaker 1: confronting but worth it. I recently had Grace Lamb on 6 00:00:29,385 --> 00:00:32,225 Speaker 1: Nothing to Wear, and she has no filter. She gives 7 00:00:32,225 --> 00:00:34,465 Speaker 1: it to a straight and she gave me the best 8 00:00:34,505 --> 00:00:36,705 Speaker 1: tips and tricks about how to get out of your 9 00:00:36,705 --> 00:00:38,625 Speaker 1: comfort zone and how to wear what you want and 10 00:00:38,745 --> 00:00:41,345 Speaker 1: just feel confident doing it. So I reckon everyone should 11 00:00:41,345 --> 00:00:43,345 Speaker 1: have a listen and take a leaf out of Grace's book. 12 00:00:43,425 --> 00:00:45,465 Speaker 1: So we're dropping the episode here and I hope you 13 00:00:45,545 --> 00:00:49,785 Speaker 1: enjoy it. Whoever said orange is a new pink with 14 00:00:49,985 --> 00:00:54,785 Speaker 1: seriously disturved laurels spraying groundbreaking? Oh my god, you have 15 00:00:54,945 --> 00:00:59,825 Speaker 1: to do it. You live for fashion. Hello, and welcome 16 00:00:59,865 --> 00:01:02,825 Speaker 1: to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that solves fashion problems 17 00:01:02,865 --> 00:01:05,865 Speaker 1: and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell, and every 18 00:01:05,905 --> 00:01:08,385 Speaker 1: week I chat to an expert who helps us work 19 00:01:08,425 --> 00:01:10,145 Speaker 1: out how to get more out of the clothes we 20 00:01:10,225 --> 00:01:13,545 Speaker 1: already own and tells us exactly what is and isn't 21 00:01:13,545 --> 00:01:17,545 Speaker 1: worth adding to our Wardrobes Now Friends Today, we're in 22 00:01:17,585 --> 00:01:19,545 Speaker 1: for a bit of a treat. If you are also 23 00:01:19,585 --> 00:01:22,745 Speaker 1: a listener of the podcast by Hollywayen right mid, you'll 24 00:01:22,745 --> 00:01:25,505 Speaker 1: know the guest we're about to talk to. She's one 25 00:01:25,505 --> 00:01:29,425 Speaker 1: of Asia's most distinguished editors and stylists with over twenty 26 00:01:29,465 --> 00:01:33,025 Speaker 1: five years experience in the fashion world. I'm talking about 27 00:01:33,105 --> 00:01:36,905 Speaker 1: the iconic Grace Lamb. Grace cut her teeth working under 28 00:01:37,145 --> 00:01:40,865 Speaker 1: Edward Eninfull, the one and only amazing former editor in 29 00:01:40,945 --> 00:01:43,865 Speaker 1: chief at British Vogue, and in two thousand and five 30 00:01:43,985 --> 00:01:47,905 Speaker 1: she became absolutely pivotal in launching Vogue China, where she 31 00:01:47,985 --> 00:01:51,945 Speaker 1: spent a decade as the senior fashion style editor. She's 32 00:01:51,985 --> 00:01:55,305 Speaker 1: style Kate Moss, Naomi Campbell, Lana del Rey, and she's 33 00:01:55,345 --> 00:01:59,865 Speaker 1: collaborated with brands like Door, Burberry and Estae Lauder. Grace 34 00:01:59,945 --> 00:02:03,545 Speaker 1: now lives in Australia and she brings her unparalleled styling 35 00:02:03,585 --> 00:02:08,105 Speaker 1: expertise to Melbourne. I'm slightly scared but incredibly inspired by 36 00:02:08,105 --> 00:02:11,185 Speaker 1: Grace because there's nobs with d her. She is completely 37 00:02:11,225 --> 00:02:13,705 Speaker 1: honest about fashions. So I'm going to ask Grace's opinion 38 00:02:13,785 --> 00:02:17,065 Speaker 1: on lots of different things, including the difference between Western 39 00:02:17,145 --> 00:02:21,425 Speaker 1: style and Asian style, why Australians love wearing their active 40 00:02:21,425 --> 00:02:24,105 Speaker 1: wear so much, and her thoughts on trends does she 41 00:02:24,145 --> 00:02:28,025 Speaker 1: buy into them or not. Let's get into it, okay, Grace, firstly, 42 00:02:28,465 --> 00:02:30,825 Speaker 1: thank you for joining me. I'm excited. I'm a little 43 00:02:30,825 --> 00:02:34,305 Speaker 1: bit scared. I loved your episodes of mid that you 44 00:02:34,345 --> 00:02:37,105 Speaker 1: did with Holly, so welcome to Nothing to Wear. And 45 00:02:37,305 --> 00:02:40,385 Speaker 1: before we get into the topic, I ask guests a 46 00:02:40,425 --> 00:02:43,545 Speaker 1: few questions, the first of which is can you describe 47 00:02:43,585 --> 00:02:45,225 Speaker 1: your own style in three words? 48 00:02:45,865 --> 00:02:49,745 Speaker 2: Definitely colorful, edgy, and experimental. So that's me. 49 00:02:50,905 --> 00:02:53,905 Speaker 1: That's almost opposite of everything I have. Maybe I'm a 50 00:02:53,945 --> 00:02:56,905 Speaker 1: bit experimental, but I love that. Okay. The theory that 51 00:02:56,945 --> 00:02:59,225 Speaker 1: we wear ten percent of our wardrobe ninety percent of 52 00:02:59,265 --> 00:03:01,585 Speaker 1: the time, so the stuff we reach for more than 53 00:03:01,705 --> 00:03:03,985 Speaker 1: the other stuff. What's in your ten percent? 54 00:03:04,545 --> 00:03:07,945 Speaker 2: Oh? I don't do spots for leggings. I don't do much. 55 00:03:08,185 --> 00:03:11,025 Speaker 2: I have very limited, amma, because I'm not a sporty person. 56 00:03:11,905 --> 00:03:13,545 Speaker 2: Of course, you know, when I go to the gym, 57 00:03:13,865 --> 00:03:16,185 Speaker 2: I do have to wear those. When I moved from 58 00:03:16,185 --> 00:03:19,225 Speaker 2: Hong Kong, Australia five years ago, I started living in 59 00:03:19,265 --> 00:03:22,305 Speaker 2: per first and then moved to Melbourne recently. I've never 60 00:03:22,305 --> 00:03:25,505 Speaker 2: seen so many bloody Lululemon leggings in my life in 61 00:03:25,545 --> 00:03:28,825 Speaker 2: one place. Yes, And I thought, oh my god, if 62 00:03:28,865 --> 00:03:31,305 Speaker 2: I can have a pound a UK pound for every 63 00:03:31,345 --> 00:03:34,865 Speaker 2: pair of leggings I see every day every week, I'll 64 00:03:34,865 --> 00:03:37,185 Speaker 2: be like a billionaire. I just don't know what it is. 65 00:03:37,305 --> 00:03:39,745 Speaker 2: You know they love wearing leisure. You are out ninety 66 00:03:39,785 --> 00:03:42,945 Speaker 2: percent of my stuff. I would say, I am not 67 00:03:43,545 --> 00:03:47,385 Speaker 2: picky about buying one item, you know a lot. I 68 00:03:47,425 --> 00:03:49,905 Speaker 2: have a lot of mix of everything. So that's how 69 00:03:49,985 --> 00:03:51,985 Speaker 2: I like to extend my wardrobe. 70 00:03:52,105 --> 00:03:54,385 Speaker 1: And do you often, you know, reach for those things 71 00:03:54,385 --> 00:03:56,385 Speaker 1: and mix and matro If you're in a rush, do 72 00:03:56,425 --> 00:03:58,345 Speaker 1: you just grab the stuff you love or you really 73 00:03:58,345 --> 00:03:59,625 Speaker 1: try and make sure you wear everything. 74 00:04:00,025 --> 00:04:02,665 Speaker 2: I like to wear everything because I like to create 75 00:04:02,665 --> 00:04:04,865 Speaker 2: a character of myself every day if I can, If 76 00:04:04,865 --> 00:04:06,825 Speaker 2: I can be bothered a day, it just gives me 77 00:04:06,865 --> 00:04:09,185 Speaker 2: an idea, or I plan my outfit the night before. 78 00:04:09,705 --> 00:04:11,905 Speaker 1: Yes, oh, I was going to ask you that, Oh gosh, 79 00:04:11,985 --> 00:04:13,825 Speaker 1: that's Goulls. I mean, I have a lot of clothes 80 00:04:13,865 --> 00:04:16,705 Speaker 1: and I think I wear maybe thirty percent. But sometimes 81 00:04:16,705 --> 00:04:20,545 Speaker 1: I'm just like the leggings. I'm sorry. All right, We're 82 00:04:20,545 --> 00:04:22,225 Speaker 1: gonna start with a bit of your career because that 83 00:04:22,265 --> 00:04:24,945 Speaker 1: really illustrates, you, know, what you're doing here on this podcast. 84 00:04:25,825 --> 00:04:29,305 Speaker 1: Your time at Vogue China. I'd love to hear about that. 85 00:04:29,665 --> 00:04:32,785 Speaker 1: Assisting the editor in chief of British Folk, no big deal. 86 00:04:32,825 --> 00:04:34,545 Speaker 1: So can you talk to us about that era of 87 00:04:34,585 --> 00:04:35,105 Speaker 1: your career. 88 00:04:35,225 --> 00:04:38,185 Speaker 2: So I'm from Hong Kong originally, and I went to 89 00:04:38,305 --> 00:04:40,425 Speaker 2: UK boarding school when I was quite young. So then 90 00:04:40,465 --> 00:04:43,745 Speaker 2: I ended up living in UK most of my life actually, 91 00:04:44,065 --> 00:04:46,185 Speaker 2: and I went to Central St Martins and I dig 92 00:04:46,185 --> 00:04:48,545 Speaker 2: graphic designed into fashion. So I did a degree there 93 00:04:49,305 --> 00:04:51,145 Speaker 2: and because it was such a well known, you know, 94 00:04:51,345 --> 00:04:54,225 Speaker 2: art school, we get a lot of like famous speakers 95 00:04:54,265 --> 00:04:56,745 Speaker 2: to come. And then during my second year of Saint Martin's, 96 00:04:56,865 --> 00:04:59,105 Speaker 2: I met Terry Jones, who was the founder of the 97 00:04:59,105 --> 00:05:02,705 Speaker 2: Street Bible magazine, ID magazine. Yes, And being like a 98 00:05:02,745 --> 00:05:05,945 Speaker 2: really naive little girl, I was like, oh, you know, 99 00:05:06,105 --> 00:05:08,465 Speaker 2: I'm gonna have my own magazine one day. You watch 100 00:05:08,505 --> 00:05:10,865 Speaker 2: blah blah blah and you'll like, oh yeah, we'll see 101 00:05:10,865 --> 00:05:14,505 Speaker 2: you about that. And he liked how I dressed and 102 00:05:14,545 --> 00:05:16,785 Speaker 2: he said to me, oh, do you want to become 103 00:05:16,825 --> 00:05:19,345 Speaker 2: a stylist because you're very stylish, And how. 104 00:05:19,225 --> 00:05:21,065 Speaker 1: Did you dress back then? Can you describe it? 105 00:05:21,545 --> 00:05:24,905 Speaker 2: Oh, kind of like edgy, like very London grungy, but 106 00:05:25,105 --> 00:05:27,905 Speaker 2: like kind of like a sheep grungy. My, you know what, 107 00:05:28,065 --> 00:05:32,065 Speaker 2: My mother is color blind. She is the most fierce 108 00:05:32,585 --> 00:05:35,745 Speaker 2: dresser I've ever met, because she I mean, can you 109 00:05:35,785 --> 00:05:38,265 Speaker 2: imagine being color blind? And you dress so colorful every 110 00:05:38,345 --> 00:05:43,145 Speaker 2: day since I was young, with all my sisters, we 111 00:05:43,145 --> 00:05:45,465 Speaker 2: we idolized her in the way she dressed. And she's 112 00:05:45,545 --> 00:05:48,585 Speaker 2: just she has great taste. My dad is opposite. My 113 00:05:48,665 --> 00:05:49,745 Speaker 2: dad had no taste. 114 00:05:50,145 --> 00:05:54,065 Speaker 1: So very well, okay, were you influenced by her? He's 115 00:05:54,105 --> 00:05:55,825 Speaker 1: seeing you and gone, you're stylish? Do you want to 116 00:05:55,865 --> 00:05:57,585 Speaker 1: be a stylist? And so was your answer? 117 00:05:57,705 --> 00:06:00,905 Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know what it was. I asked him 118 00:06:00,945 --> 00:06:02,785 Speaker 2: what is a stylist? And it was, oh, come an 119 00:06:02,785 --> 00:06:04,905 Speaker 2: intern for us. So I was like, okay. So I 120 00:06:04,945 --> 00:06:07,305 Speaker 2: did internship when I was in my second year Saint 121 00:06:07,345 --> 00:06:10,785 Speaker 2: Martin's and then met Edward Enning, who was a fashion 122 00:06:11,145 --> 00:06:14,505 Speaker 2: director at Large, and I mean I knew who was 123 00:06:14,545 --> 00:06:17,105 Speaker 2: a big deal. And then you know, I started I 124 00:06:17,145 --> 00:06:20,585 Speaker 2: was as an editorius system. After I left Martin's. You know, 125 00:06:20,665 --> 00:06:22,465 Speaker 2: I did all the shitty jobs. You know, I don't 126 00:06:22,465 --> 00:06:24,065 Speaker 2: know how many photocopy things I did. 127 00:06:24,265 --> 00:06:27,065 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've all been there. I started an editorial assistant 128 00:06:27,105 --> 00:06:27,825 Speaker 1: at a magazine. 129 00:06:27,945 --> 00:06:31,225 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then when Edward was looking for a full 130 00:06:31,225 --> 00:06:33,905 Speaker 2: time assistant, I got put forward, went for an interview, 131 00:06:34,065 --> 00:06:36,145 Speaker 2: and then got the job immediately. Let's stay on a 132 00:06:36,185 --> 00:06:38,785 Speaker 2: Monday Thursday. He flew me to Milan and we did 133 00:06:38,825 --> 00:06:39,985 Speaker 2: the Jill Sounder fashion Show. 134 00:06:40,145 --> 00:06:43,265 Speaker 1: Wow wow, And that was the start of the rest 135 00:06:43,305 --> 00:06:46,825 Speaker 1: of your life. They needed a decade as senior fashion 136 00:06:46,905 --> 00:06:49,225 Speaker 1: style editor of Vogue China. So what was that like? 137 00:06:49,545 --> 00:06:53,545 Speaker 2: Because I consider myself as a very Londoner and how 138 00:06:53,585 --> 00:06:57,065 Speaker 2: I was trained under Edward ENNINGFO is very different from 139 00:06:57,105 --> 00:07:00,305 Speaker 2: working in Asia. And I've actually never worked in Asia 140 00:07:00,305 --> 00:07:01,785 Speaker 2: in my life. I thought I was going to die 141 00:07:01,865 --> 00:07:04,425 Speaker 2: in London, marry a brit And now you know, I 142 00:07:04,465 --> 00:07:09,065 Speaker 2: have an Italian Australian fashion beauty photographer you know, who's amazing. 143 00:07:09,785 --> 00:07:12,225 Speaker 2: So it was quite an eye opening experience for me 144 00:07:12,225 --> 00:07:15,505 Speaker 2: because I've never worked in Asia and how they do 145 00:07:15,625 --> 00:07:18,145 Speaker 2: fashion shoes over that is so different. Back in two 146 00:07:18,225 --> 00:07:19,585 Speaker 2: thousand and five. 147 00:07:20,345 --> 00:07:24,105 Speaker 1: And so you were there for ten years? Yes, yes, wow, okay, 148 00:07:24,185 --> 00:07:26,785 Speaker 1: so that was obviously you know, you've well and truly 149 00:07:26,825 --> 00:07:28,985 Speaker 1: on the new course of not so new now but 150 00:07:29,345 --> 00:07:31,585 Speaker 1: fashion and that wasn't what you were set out to do. 151 00:07:31,945 --> 00:07:35,225 Speaker 1: So you've done London, China and you're in Australia. I'm 152 00:07:35,225 --> 00:07:37,105 Speaker 1: assuming for family and love. 153 00:07:37,545 --> 00:07:41,745 Speaker 2: Yes, and yes, because we left Hong Kong because of 154 00:07:41,785 --> 00:07:45,905 Speaker 2: the social unrest, and then we left before anyone else 155 00:07:45,985 --> 00:07:47,825 Speaker 2: was leaving Hong Kong and people didn't understand why we 156 00:07:47,865 --> 00:07:49,825 Speaker 2: wanted to leave. And then we arrived in Perth. Was 157 00:07:49,865 --> 00:07:51,945 Speaker 2: Jason from Perth? It's okay, let's go. 158 00:07:52,305 --> 00:07:54,305 Speaker 1: Yeah. So then you've been in Perth for a little 159 00:07:54,345 --> 00:07:56,785 Speaker 1: bit and now we've recently moved to Melbourne. So gosh, 160 00:07:56,825 --> 00:08:00,025 Speaker 1: you've been kind of everywhere. What's your observation. I guess 161 00:08:00,265 --> 00:08:03,585 Speaker 1: let's start with, you know, Asian fashion culture for women 162 00:08:03,705 --> 00:08:07,985 Speaker 1: and I guess Western fashion culture. But what's the observations 163 00:08:08,025 --> 00:08:11,065 Speaker 1: you noticed between Asian fashion cults and Western fashion culture. 164 00:08:11,745 --> 00:08:15,105 Speaker 2: I think Asian we talk about women generally, we are 165 00:08:15,185 --> 00:08:20,545 Speaker 2: a lot more into like labels, and we sometimes we 166 00:08:20,665 --> 00:08:23,785 Speaker 2: were more youthful the way we style. I mean, you 167 00:08:23,785 --> 00:08:26,425 Speaker 2: can be walking in Hong Kong the street or mainland China. 168 00:08:26,465 --> 00:08:28,905 Speaker 2: You can see someone from the back, very very stylish, 169 00:08:29,785 --> 00:08:31,905 Speaker 2: and you go past them and they could be sixty five, 170 00:08:32,065 --> 00:08:35,545 Speaker 2: you know. And I think they are more up for 171 00:08:35,865 --> 00:08:39,385 Speaker 2: challenging this themselves and the way they dress, and they 172 00:08:39,385 --> 00:08:42,265 Speaker 2: don't care really what people think. Of course, there are 173 00:08:42,265 --> 00:08:44,105 Speaker 2: a lot of people that are very conservative as well, 174 00:08:44,185 --> 00:08:46,625 Speaker 2: but people who love fashion in general, I think the 175 00:08:46,745 --> 00:08:49,345 Speaker 2: majority of people, especially in Hong Kong, they are very 176 00:08:49,385 --> 00:08:52,465 Speaker 2: into fashion. It doesn't matter whether they get them fashion 177 00:08:52,585 --> 00:08:56,585 Speaker 2: from the local market stores or like Zara or H 178 00:08:56,665 --> 00:08:59,865 Speaker 2: and M. You know, they love playing with fashion, which 179 00:08:59,865 --> 00:09:02,305 Speaker 2: I find is a bit more different in the Western world. 180 00:09:02,345 --> 00:09:04,705 Speaker 2: I think Western women, I mean, we'll talk about French 181 00:09:04,745 --> 00:09:10,345 Speaker 2: women are very sophisticated. Yes, they know how to themselves, 182 00:09:10,465 --> 00:09:13,665 Speaker 2: you know that, they're very very created, but in such 183 00:09:13,665 --> 00:09:17,345 Speaker 2: an efforless way. Yes, I mean, aside from all the 184 00:09:17,425 --> 00:09:20,825 Speaker 2: Lululemon leggings and things we're talking about, I think in general, 185 00:09:21,305 --> 00:09:24,105 Speaker 2: Western women's a little bit more reserved in the way 186 00:09:24,105 --> 00:09:26,465 Speaker 2: they dress. We're not talking about fashion people go to 187 00:09:26,465 --> 00:09:28,425 Speaker 2: fashion week because that's like that's different. 188 00:09:28,625 --> 00:09:30,785 Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think the Lulu Lemon you know, the 189 00:09:30,905 --> 00:09:33,145 Speaker 1: active way when we're not being we're not at the gym. 190 00:09:33,185 --> 00:09:35,385 Speaker 1: That's mostly a nussy thing, right because you know, when 191 00:09:35,425 --> 00:09:37,265 Speaker 1: I travel to Paris my friends that live, they say, 192 00:09:37,265 --> 00:09:39,345 Speaker 1: you cannot where you're active for unless you're going directly 193 00:09:39,345 --> 00:09:41,465 Speaker 1: to the gym and back. So that's quite Australian. 194 00:09:41,825 --> 00:09:44,865 Speaker 2: I mean, to be honest, I feel like, let athletic 195 00:09:44,865 --> 00:09:48,025 Speaker 2: worship only be in two places, the gym and your 196 00:09:48,065 --> 00:09:49,105 Speaker 2: dirty laundry basket. 197 00:09:49,785 --> 00:09:51,985 Speaker 1: I love that. I love that, and I might not 198 00:09:52,105 --> 00:09:54,345 Speaker 1: agree only because I love my leggings to run around 199 00:09:54,345 --> 00:09:55,785 Speaker 1: and chase my five year old, but I get it. 200 00:09:55,825 --> 00:09:59,105 Speaker 1: I always feel better about myself and my outfit that 201 00:09:59,185 --> 00:10:01,025 Speaker 1: day if I've gotten out of the leggings and actually 202 00:10:01,025 --> 00:10:13,945 Speaker 1: style the outfit, even if it's super casual. Having worked 203 00:10:13,985 --> 00:10:16,745 Speaker 1: with fashion and in the fashion industry with clients all 204 00:10:16,745 --> 00:10:20,185 Speaker 1: around the world, please tell me that there's universal problems 205 00:10:20,265 --> 00:10:22,425 Speaker 1: that we face when we're deciding what to wear. Is 206 00:10:22,465 --> 00:10:24,785 Speaker 1: there kind of a running theme that you've noticed throughout 207 00:10:24,785 --> 00:10:28,145 Speaker 1: your career of women coming to you saying help and 208 00:10:28,425 --> 00:10:29,465 Speaker 1: what are those problems? 209 00:10:29,985 --> 00:10:33,865 Speaker 2: I think women in general, and a lot of midlife women, 210 00:10:34,025 --> 00:10:36,145 Speaker 2: like you know, I'm fifty two, and I do a 211 00:10:36,145 --> 00:10:39,585 Speaker 2: lot of starting for midlife women who's going through a perimenopause. 212 00:10:40,265 --> 00:10:45,185 Speaker 2: They love staying the safe lanes and they're unwilling to change. 213 00:10:45,625 --> 00:10:49,025 Speaker 2: So sometimes I'll get women who contact me, and those 214 00:10:49,065 --> 00:10:51,505 Speaker 2: are the one who are a bit more adventurous already, 215 00:10:51,625 --> 00:10:53,785 Speaker 2: but still when I meet them, they're, oh, I'm not 216 00:10:53,785 --> 00:10:55,665 Speaker 2: sure about this, I'm not sure about that. So it 217 00:10:55,705 --> 00:10:58,425 Speaker 2: takes a lot of convincing for them to change theirself 218 00:10:58,505 --> 00:11:01,865 Speaker 2: or introducing a new way to dress. I think the 219 00:11:01,945 --> 00:11:05,145 Speaker 2: mindset is the most challenging, right. To get them to 220 00:11:05,145 --> 00:11:07,145 Speaker 2: try new things is a challenge, that's sure. 221 00:11:07,185 --> 00:11:09,385 Speaker 1: So yeah, mindset makes sense because it all sort of 222 00:11:09,385 --> 00:11:10,385 Speaker 1: starts there, doesn't it. 223 00:11:10,545 --> 00:11:13,625 Speaker 2: Yeah. And also, going back to a wardrobe, I think 224 00:11:13,665 --> 00:11:17,225 Speaker 2: the problem with most people is they stuffed the wardrobe 225 00:11:17,305 --> 00:11:19,265 Speaker 2: so much or you can't even see what you have. 226 00:11:19,265 --> 00:11:22,225 Speaker 1: Have you been to my house lately, you should see mine. 227 00:11:22,425 --> 00:11:24,505 Speaker 1: Hence why I grab my ten percent because the rest 228 00:11:24,505 --> 00:11:26,305 Speaker 1: of it's too messy. And I can't say it. 229 00:11:26,425 --> 00:11:29,145 Speaker 2: But I honestly feel you have to hang everything so 230 00:11:29,185 --> 00:11:31,625 Speaker 2: you can see. Yeah, And I mean I understand that 231 00:11:31,705 --> 00:11:34,145 Speaker 2: you know, wardrobes are limited. I mean, who's got five 232 00:11:34,185 --> 00:11:36,425 Speaker 2: thousand square feet house will only put your wardrobe in you. 233 00:11:36,625 --> 00:11:36,825 Speaker 1: Yeah. 234 00:11:36,865 --> 00:11:40,825 Speaker 2: Yeah, be very organized in your wardrobe so you can see. 235 00:11:40,985 --> 00:11:43,785 Speaker 1: Yes, And does that include you know, kind of quite 236 00:11:43,825 --> 00:11:46,865 Speaker 1: frequent clear outs and you know, rotating with summer and 237 00:11:46,905 --> 00:11:48,665 Speaker 1: winter if you can't fit it all in one spot, 238 00:11:48,665 --> 00:11:51,065 Speaker 1: and just being able to see the stuff you do. 239 00:11:51,025 --> 00:11:55,185 Speaker 2: Love what you can't see you're not going to wear. Yeah, 240 00:11:55,185 --> 00:11:57,185 Speaker 2: that's a problem. And I have a one in, one 241 00:11:57,225 --> 00:11:59,345 Speaker 2: out system. When I buy something new or trying to 242 00:11:59,345 --> 00:12:02,025 Speaker 2: get rid of something old, anything that's more than two 243 00:12:02,105 --> 00:12:03,505 Speaker 2: years I haven't touched. It's got to go. 244 00:12:03,745 --> 00:12:05,865 Speaker 1: Wow, oh my god, you would die if you came 245 00:12:05,905 --> 00:12:08,025 Speaker 1: to my house. I need that. But I just I 246 00:12:08,585 --> 00:12:11,265 Speaker 1: just am not that person a forty three I don't 247 00:12:11,265 --> 00:12:13,065 Speaker 1: think I ever will be. But that's so true. 248 00:12:13,145 --> 00:12:14,865 Speaker 2: Well, I love to come to you hous and clean up. 249 00:12:14,985 --> 00:12:17,625 Speaker 1: Oh you, I think you think you would also do 250 00:12:17,705 --> 00:12:20,105 Speaker 1: some photos offline. But that's interesting. I think it is 251 00:12:20,145 --> 00:12:22,625 Speaker 1: so much of a mindset thing because we tell ourselves 252 00:12:23,065 --> 00:12:25,785 Speaker 1: I can't wear that, or people will judge me, or 253 00:12:26,225 --> 00:12:28,385 Speaker 1: I'm too old for that, or that work doesn't suit me. 254 00:12:28,425 --> 00:12:30,825 Speaker 1: But it's as soon as you tea stuff you can't well, 255 00:12:30,825 --> 00:12:31,545 Speaker 1: of course you can't. 256 00:12:31,705 --> 00:12:34,745 Speaker 2: No, I think honestly, you need to go shopping or 257 00:12:34,785 --> 00:12:37,825 Speaker 2: do some starling session with people who you're cheerleaders. Yes, 258 00:12:38,105 --> 00:12:40,665 Speaker 2: don't ask anybody who's going to go, oh, like your 259 00:12:40,745 --> 00:12:42,265 Speaker 2: kids or mom, you look shit or whatever. 260 00:12:43,505 --> 00:12:45,105 Speaker 1: But I feel like and this is please take this 261 00:12:45,145 --> 00:12:47,625 Speaker 1: a compliment. That's why I kind of love you, is 262 00:12:47,665 --> 00:12:50,985 Speaker 1: your raw honesty, and I think that, yes, it's nice 263 00:12:51,025 --> 00:12:52,865 Speaker 1: to have someone to build up your confidence, but you 264 00:12:52,905 --> 00:12:54,425 Speaker 1: also want the truth, right. 265 00:12:54,625 --> 00:12:58,185 Speaker 2: Yes. At the same time, I think I'm quite a 266 00:12:58,265 --> 00:13:01,145 Speaker 2: hardcore person, so I take a lot of criticism, but 267 00:13:01,305 --> 00:13:03,865 Speaker 2: I know a lot of women can't, especially in midlife, 268 00:13:03,865 --> 00:13:06,865 Speaker 2: because we're very vulnerable. You know, nothing's working on a body. 269 00:13:06,945 --> 00:13:08,545 Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't know who we are anymore. 270 00:13:08,585 --> 00:13:10,785 Speaker 2: This is a new person, and then you have very 271 00:13:10,825 --> 00:13:12,865 Speaker 2: low self esteem. So the last thing you need is 272 00:13:12,905 --> 00:13:14,985 Speaker 2: someone go you know what you look like? Shit? Ye? 273 00:13:15,025 --> 00:13:15,465 Speaker 2: On with it? 274 00:13:15,665 --> 00:13:20,185 Speaker 1: Yes, So it's more about suggesting alternatives, I guess. 275 00:13:20,505 --> 00:13:24,545 Speaker 2: Yes. I actually recently changed my Instagram handle too. I 276 00:13:24,625 --> 00:13:27,585 Speaker 2: used to label myself as a fashion director a fashion statist, 277 00:13:28,305 --> 00:13:31,425 Speaker 2: So now my new title I gave myself is fashion 278 00:13:31,505 --> 00:13:35,025 Speaker 2: style en hanswer because I realized a lot of women 279 00:13:35,105 --> 00:13:38,465 Speaker 2: do not like big changes. If you want to wear 280 00:13:38,505 --> 00:13:41,825 Speaker 2: your ugly crocs, which is fine, I would just tweak 281 00:13:41,905 --> 00:13:43,705 Speaker 2: everything you look. 282 00:13:45,465 --> 00:13:47,185 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess that way they still keep an 283 00:13:47,185 --> 00:13:50,185 Speaker 1: element of their personal style, which is probably in there somewhere. 284 00:13:50,585 --> 00:13:53,665 Speaker 1: But it's more about, you know, modernizing, enhancing. I like that. 285 00:13:54,145 --> 00:13:56,705 Speaker 1: I have friends that you know, there might be lawyers 286 00:13:56,825 --> 00:13:59,105 Speaker 1: or you know, have really kind of serious jobs that 287 00:13:59,385 --> 00:14:02,385 Speaker 1: aren't around what they wear. But they they don't have 288 00:14:02,465 --> 00:14:05,385 Speaker 1: the confidence or they just think it's too hard, like 289 00:14:05,425 --> 00:14:08,145 Speaker 1: they have to have this humongous change by a whole 290 00:14:08,185 --> 00:14:10,905 Speaker 1: new wardrobe, and that's just in the too hard basket. 291 00:14:11,105 --> 00:14:13,425 Speaker 1: What do we do when we feel uncertain, we don't 292 00:14:13,465 --> 00:14:15,665 Speaker 1: want to buy a whole new wardrobe? What do we do? 293 00:14:16,625 --> 00:14:20,105 Speaker 2: Okay, First of all, I highly recommend to do clothing 294 00:14:20,185 --> 00:14:23,745 Speaker 2: swap with your friends and have a party because you 295 00:14:23,745 --> 00:14:25,665 Speaker 2: don't know what each other have. Or sometimes you look 296 00:14:25,705 --> 00:14:27,265 Speaker 2: at your friends you really like the top or a 297 00:14:27,265 --> 00:14:29,625 Speaker 2: skirt and you borrow it. Yes, I think that's number one. 298 00:14:30,145 --> 00:14:31,905 Speaker 2: Number two, if you want to change your start and 299 00:14:31,905 --> 00:14:33,905 Speaker 2: you don't know where the fuck to start, just start 300 00:14:33,945 --> 00:14:37,025 Speaker 2: with something small. I have over one hundred two hundred 301 00:14:37,025 --> 00:14:39,945 Speaker 2: pair of socks and then mostly from Japan. Wow, if 302 00:14:39,985 --> 00:14:44,305 Speaker 2: you want to bring in colors to your outfit, stuff 303 00:14:44,345 --> 00:14:47,505 Speaker 2: something small, a jewelry or bag or socks, because there's 304 00:14:47,505 --> 00:14:50,265 Speaker 2: something smoking to just take off other than go right 305 00:14:50,345 --> 00:14:53,305 Speaker 2: pink top right rep top, it's not the fly or 306 00:14:53,345 --> 00:14:57,145 Speaker 2: like a fun bag or earrings. You know, jewelry. I mean, 307 00:14:57,185 --> 00:15:00,745 Speaker 2: I'm a jury girl, so I love jewry and it's 308 00:15:00,785 --> 00:15:03,945 Speaker 2: just easy. It's so easy just with something those accessories. 309 00:15:03,985 --> 00:15:06,905 Speaker 1: First, Yeah, sure, okay, you touched on sort of style 310 00:15:06,945 --> 00:15:08,825 Speaker 1: and shape. I wanted to ask a bit more about 311 00:15:08,825 --> 00:15:10,865 Speaker 1: that because when people say they want to get more 312 00:15:10,865 --> 00:15:14,545 Speaker 1: confident with putting outfits together, I always immediately think color. 313 00:15:15,065 --> 00:15:18,305 Speaker 1: But I'm not particularly a color person. So how can 314 00:15:18,345 --> 00:15:21,265 Speaker 1: we kind of get more confident or have more unique style? 315 00:15:22,025 --> 00:15:25,385 Speaker 1: I guess with color, but also our shapes and proportions 316 00:15:25,425 --> 00:15:28,065 Speaker 1: a way to get more personal style If you're not 317 00:15:28,105 --> 00:15:30,625 Speaker 1: going to be wearing headaitoe, orange or pink or yellow. 318 00:15:31,425 --> 00:15:34,345 Speaker 2: I think the key thing is to get a ficial 319 00:15:34,385 --> 00:15:36,585 Speaker 2: idea of what kind of person you want to be 320 00:15:36,625 --> 00:15:38,825 Speaker 2: that day. So for me, every day I say to myself, 321 00:15:38,825 --> 00:15:40,345 Speaker 2: what kind of story do you want to tell today? 322 00:15:40,945 --> 00:15:44,225 Speaker 2: Am I the oversized outfit grades or am I the 323 00:15:44,385 --> 00:15:46,905 Speaker 2: don't fuck with me grays today? So which means I'm 324 00:15:46,905 --> 00:15:48,505 Speaker 2: going to be more hardcore the way I dress and 325 00:15:48,585 --> 00:15:51,025 Speaker 2: more like street style, yes? Or am I going to 326 00:15:51,025 --> 00:15:53,145 Speaker 2: be feminine grays which is a bit more girly. So 327 00:15:53,345 --> 00:15:56,465 Speaker 2: when when you create a look for yourself, definitely think 328 00:15:56,505 --> 00:15:59,065 Speaker 2: of a story that you want to tell today, okay, 329 00:15:59,505 --> 00:16:02,785 Speaker 2: Or you go to online and find some style icon 330 00:16:02,825 --> 00:16:04,665 Speaker 2: that you like and just take some more elements from 331 00:16:04,705 --> 00:16:08,025 Speaker 2: them and see whether you can apply on yourself. 332 00:16:08,105 --> 00:16:08,345 Speaker 1: Yep. 333 00:16:09,065 --> 00:16:11,945 Speaker 2: First, then you need to practice at home and that 334 00:16:12,105 --> 00:16:14,465 Speaker 2: out the outfit that you don't normally dare to wear. 335 00:16:14,665 --> 00:16:17,545 Speaker 2: Just wear at home? Yes, what other people think? And 336 00:16:17,585 --> 00:16:19,345 Speaker 2: can you tweet it? Once you get used to it, 337 00:16:20,065 --> 00:16:22,385 Speaker 2: then you go outside the door and you step to 338 00:16:22,385 --> 00:16:26,265 Speaker 2: the real world. And also when you try something new, 339 00:16:26,305 --> 00:16:28,545 Speaker 2: you have to own it and not be very shy 340 00:16:28,585 --> 00:16:31,665 Speaker 2: about it, otherwise you just go back to your old ways. 341 00:16:32,025 --> 00:16:34,425 Speaker 1: Do you have any thrifting tips, what do we look for? 342 00:16:34,505 --> 00:16:35,305 Speaker 1: Where do we go? 343 00:16:35,425 --> 00:16:39,185 Speaker 2: It's quite overwhelming even for someone like me who I've 344 00:16:39,185 --> 00:16:41,905 Speaker 2: done thrift shopping, you know, for all my adult's life, 345 00:16:42,625 --> 00:16:44,385 Speaker 2: because where I used to live in notting Hill. We 346 00:16:44,465 --> 00:16:48,625 Speaker 2: have Portabula Raal Market every single weekend, and before I 347 00:16:48,745 --> 00:16:52,105 Speaker 2: move back to Asia, most of my wardrobes of vintage 348 00:16:52,305 --> 00:16:56,705 Speaker 2: or secondhand or just really like bloody cool stuff. But 349 00:16:56,745 --> 00:16:59,225 Speaker 2: you know, Chinese people very superstitious. So when I tell 350 00:16:59,225 --> 00:17:01,225 Speaker 2: my mom that I buy second endclothes, she freaks out, 351 00:17:01,385 --> 00:17:02,225 Speaker 2: who died in it? 352 00:17:03,705 --> 00:17:05,865 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love that. Well, it's true. I 353 00:17:05,865 --> 00:17:08,345 Speaker 1: mean there are lots of different barriers to it. For 354 00:17:08,425 --> 00:17:10,865 Speaker 1: some people, they just find it too hard, too overwhelming. 355 00:17:11,465 --> 00:17:13,465 Speaker 1: You know, they like going to the Westfield and seeing 356 00:17:13,465 --> 00:17:15,585 Speaker 1: just all those pink pants and all the sizes. But 357 00:17:15,665 --> 00:17:17,705 Speaker 1: I just think there's such a joy. But it is 358 00:17:17,745 --> 00:17:19,985 Speaker 1: a skill or you definitely need time. 359 00:17:20,385 --> 00:17:23,145 Speaker 2: Oh you can't go into any strip shop and be 360 00:17:23,505 --> 00:17:26,305 Speaker 2: rushing because it takes so long. I can I can 361 00:17:26,425 --> 00:17:28,305 Speaker 2: easily spend when I go to New York or go 362 00:17:28,385 --> 00:17:31,025 Speaker 2: back to London or Paris, I can easily spend in 363 00:17:31,065 --> 00:17:32,265 Speaker 2: one shop like three hours. 364 00:17:32,385 --> 00:17:35,225 Speaker 1: Me too, Me too. I've made the mistake for going 365 00:17:35,265 --> 00:17:37,465 Speaker 1: in thinking I wanted to find a particular item. But 366 00:17:37,505 --> 00:17:39,385 Speaker 1: you kind of have to let the goldfind you, right, 367 00:17:39,505 --> 00:17:41,785 Speaker 1: Like you have to just have an open mind. 368 00:17:41,625 --> 00:17:43,625 Speaker 2: One hundred percent and you need to try everything. You 369 00:17:43,665 --> 00:17:45,865 Speaker 2: can't just look at it something and just go put 370 00:17:45,865 --> 00:17:48,105 Speaker 2: it back, which a lot of us do. I think 371 00:17:48,145 --> 00:17:49,945 Speaker 2: what you need to do is if you are looking 372 00:17:49,985 --> 00:17:53,185 Speaker 2: for a particular item, you go to that section and 373 00:17:53,265 --> 00:17:56,425 Speaker 2: you pick up something, maybe five things that you would 374 00:17:56,425 --> 00:18:00,025 Speaker 2: wear yep, three things. It's not you at all, just 375 00:18:00,065 --> 00:18:03,105 Speaker 2: to try. You don't have to buy, just try see. 376 00:18:03,345 --> 00:18:08,505 Speaker 2: So once you start practicing that for every single top, pantskirt, dress, jacket, 377 00:18:09,145 --> 00:18:11,625 Speaker 2: you will start have a rhythm of how to shop. 378 00:18:11,905 --> 00:18:13,745 Speaker 1: That is such a good tip because I guess if 379 00:18:13,785 --> 00:18:16,225 Speaker 1: you're going to the regular retail stores, you know often 380 00:18:16,265 --> 00:18:18,905 Speaker 1: the same silhouettes are in every store, But if you 381 00:18:18,905 --> 00:18:20,385 Speaker 1: go to a thrift shop, it's a great way to 382 00:18:20,425 --> 00:18:23,465 Speaker 1: just try stuff on because there's so much variety. I'd 383 00:18:23,465 --> 00:18:26,505 Speaker 1: love to get your personal and professional opinion on trends, 384 00:18:26,585 --> 00:18:29,505 Speaker 1: because I think the internet and the world is going 385 00:18:29,585 --> 00:18:32,905 Speaker 1: faster than ever before, and everything's a trend, and I 386 00:18:33,025 --> 00:18:35,025 Speaker 1: like a trend. I'd say I'm a middle adopter, but 387 00:18:35,105 --> 00:18:37,945 Speaker 1: I also don't really follow them, if that makes sense. 388 00:18:38,105 --> 00:18:40,865 Speaker 1: I'll wear something old that I don't care is not 389 00:18:40,945 --> 00:18:43,505 Speaker 1: in fashion because I feel good in it. What are 390 00:18:43,545 --> 00:18:44,905 Speaker 1: your thoughts on trends. 391 00:18:45,105 --> 00:18:48,745 Speaker 2: I am not a trend follower, and that question is 392 00:18:48,865 --> 00:18:52,665 Speaker 2: kind of frustrating for me because I mean, who's like 393 00:18:52,745 --> 00:18:54,865 Speaker 2: five to eleven who looks like you know, Jiji Hardi 394 00:18:55,105 --> 00:18:58,345 Speaker 2: every day? Right, Yeah, most of us are not. Yeah, 395 00:18:58,385 --> 00:19:00,625 Speaker 2: So trends only look good in like if you like 396 00:19:00,665 --> 00:19:02,945 Speaker 2: five eleven above five', nine you, know if you're keep 397 00:19:03,025 --> 00:19:05,705 Speaker 2: masks all that. Stuff so for real people like, US 398 00:19:06,105 --> 00:19:08,985 Speaker 2: i don't like to tell my, clients, oh you need 399 00:19:08,985 --> 00:19:11,025 Speaker 2: to follow this trend that trend BECAUSE i don't. EITHER 400 00:19:11,305 --> 00:19:13,625 Speaker 2: i love, that AND i feel LIKE i would take 401 00:19:13,705 --> 00:19:17,145 Speaker 2: elements of the current trend and, say do you like 402 00:19:17,225 --> 00:19:20,465 Speaker 2: this or. Not let's, say like for winter this, season 403 00:19:20,545 --> 00:19:23,945 Speaker 2: like a deep burgundy brown is. IN i don't THINK 404 00:19:23,945 --> 00:19:25,985 Speaker 2: i have anything like that BECAUSE i just think that's 405 00:19:26,025 --> 00:19:29,985 Speaker 2: just a dowdy. COLOR i would not buy. Anything, HOWEVER 406 00:19:30,145 --> 00:19:34,105 Speaker 2: i did steal my Son's uniclo jumper last week and it's. 407 00:19:34,145 --> 00:19:37,905 Speaker 1: Brown mean, yes, Yeah and people could do the version 408 00:19:37,945 --> 00:19:39,705 Speaker 1: of that by going thrifting and maybe looking for an, 409 00:19:39,745 --> 00:19:42,465 Speaker 1: element but not you, know having to invest in a whole, 410 00:19:42,505 --> 00:19:44,545 Speaker 1: new brand new thing from the store. 411 00:19:44,625 --> 00:19:49,865 Speaker 2: Exactly and with, TRENDS i feel like nowadays it's always, repeating, 412 00:19:49,945 --> 00:19:52,585 Speaker 2: regurgitating like you, know back in the, sixties, seventy, eighties, 413 00:19:52,665 --> 00:19:56,465 Speaker 2: nineties so nothing is really. New, yes, WELL i don't 414 00:19:56,505 --> 00:19:59,345 Speaker 2: think you can put a time kept on what you must. 415 00:19:59,385 --> 00:20:01,265 Speaker 2: Buy the season or the trend is this and. That 416 00:20:02,105 --> 00:20:06,265 Speaker 2: SO i would suggest for women to buy things that's 417 00:20:06,305 --> 00:20:08,665 Speaker 2: more like a capsule. Collection you can exchange all with 418 00:20:08,665 --> 00:20:12,385 Speaker 2: different seasons and you, can you, know wear one item 419 00:20:12,425 --> 00:20:27,545 Speaker 2: in three. Ways that's more practical and money. Saving it's very. 420 00:20:27,705 --> 00:20:33,745 Speaker 1: EXPENSIVE i want you all right before we Do Vusion, 421 00:20:33,785 --> 00:20:36,665 Speaker 1: budgets can you tell us some of your affordable brands 422 00:20:36,745 --> 00:20:39,065 Speaker 1: right now that you think everyone should know. 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Jumpers, oh so their local, 433 00:21:12,145 --> 00:21:16,505 Speaker 2: brand designed In melbourne and made In melbourne by the 434 00:21:16,505 --> 00:21:20,905 Speaker 2: core Foundra Dylan, bess who's Half. Honky, right, yeah you 435 00:21:20,945 --> 00:21:25,585 Speaker 2: know my. People SO i bought this amazing like war 436 00:21:26,065 --> 00:21:28,945 Speaker 2: double breasted suit jacket And i've been wearing it to. 437 00:21:29,025 --> 00:21:31,185 Speaker 2: Death my son is, like are you wearing that? Again i'm, like, 438 00:21:31,265 --> 00:21:33,865 Speaker 2: yes BECAUSE i look fucking. Cool, YES i love. 439 00:21:33,905 --> 00:21:35,625 Speaker 1: It and that's the point of our, wardrobe, Right we're 440 00:21:35,625 --> 00:21:37,985 Speaker 1: meant to be wearing things more than a few, times 441 00:21:38,745 --> 00:21:41,345 Speaker 1: so they you're. Bougies, yes, Yeah, Okay i'm going to 442 00:21:41,385 --> 00:21:43,425 Speaker 1: give you my, boogie which isn't that, boogie But i'm 443 00:21:43,425 --> 00:21:47,185 Speaker 1: trying to keep it realistic for my bank. ACCOUNT i 444 00:21:47,265 --> 00:21:49,105 Speaker 1: just thought BECAUSE i have to, ADMIT i love the 445 00:21:49,145 --> 00:21:51,065 Speaker 1: look of, sneakers BUT i just don't have much of an. 446 00:21:51,065 --> 00:21:53,625 Speaker 1: Ankle that's WHY i hate winter. Shoes they're just hard 447 00:21:53,985 --> 00:21:56,945 Speaker 1: And i'm, lazy AND i love my Honest Suker tigers 448 00:21:56,945 --> 00:21:58,905 Speaker 1: from a few years. Ago SO i bought the New 449 00:21:58,945 --> 00:22:02,025 Speaker 1: mexico sixty six slip. On so they just look like a, 450 00:22:02,025 --> 00:22:04,265 Speaker 1: sneaker but you don't have to sit down or bend 451 00:22:04,305 --> 00:22:06,945 Speaker 1: down and do up your. Lasers And i'm too creaky 452 00:22:06,985 --> 00:22:10,385 Speaker 1: and sore and old to do up my. Laser they 453 00:22:10,385 --> 00:22:12,345 Speaker 1: are the most comfortable Shoes i've ever. Bought you can 454 00:22:12,345 --> 00:22:14,425 Speaker 1: get a fabric kind of, version like a kind of 455 00:22:14,465 --> 00:22:16,425 Speaker 1: canvas so that that might not be warm enough For. 456 00:22:16,465 --> 00:22:18,745 Speaker 1: Melbourne they're one, sixty or you can get the sort 457 00:22:18,745 --> 00:22:22,785 Speaker 1: of suede leather traditional Hones Suker tiger for two. THIRTY 458 00:22:22,825 --> 00:22:25,225 Speaker 1: i paid AND i, thought, oh, WELL i wear them, 459 00:22:25,345 --> 00:22:27,065 Speaker 1: enough And I've they're the only Things i'm wearing in 460 00:22:27,105 --> 00:22:29,665 Speaker 1: winter Because i'm Just i'm too, lazy so they're my. 461 00:22:29,745 --> 00:22:30,825 Speaker 1: Bougie they're worth. 462 00:22:30,865 --> 00:22:33,225 Speaker 2: It do you have stocks with them depends ON. 463 00:22:33,225 --> 00:22:36,265 Speaker 1: I, Mean i'm trying to move past being the ankle sock, 464 00:22:36,345 --> 00:22:38,825 Speaker 1: girl BUT i just don't have. Ankles so then IF 465 00:22:38,825 --> 00:22:42,345 Speaker 1: i wear the thicker kind of cool cruise, SOCK i don't, 466 00:22:42,345 --> 00:22:44,185 Speaker 1: know it doesn't look. GREAT i normally wear like quite 467 00:22:44,185 --> 00:22:47,465 Speaker 1: a long barrel jean that'll be puffed up a little, 468 00:22:47,505 --> 00:22:49,465 Speaker 1: bit but still you won't see my, ankle or like 469 00:22:49,505 --> 00:22:51,945 Speaker 1: a really wide leg. JEAN i got some free people 470 00:22:51,985 --> 00:22:54,545 Speaker 1: wide leg jeans recently that are like almost like. Tents 471 00:22:54,585 --> 00:22:56,345 Speaker 1: they're so, huge so you can't even really see the. 472 00:22:56,345 --> 00:22:57,385 Speaker 1: Shoes But i'm very. 473 00:22:57,385 --> 00:22:59,905 Speaker 2: Comfortable oh BEFORE i, FORGET i want to give you 474 00:22:59,945 --> 00:23:00,505 Speaker 2: one more. 475 00:23:00,585 --> 00:23:02,585 Speaker 1: Bougie oh, yes, please the more the. 476 00:23:02,625 --> 00:23:05,625 Speaker 2: Better, yes because a lot of my clients actually quite 477 00:23:05,705 --> 00:23:09,665 Speaker 2: lazy to go. Shopping yeah, SOMETHING i prefer online. Shop 478 00:23:09,985 --> 00:23:13,065 Speaker 2: yeah that's. Me so do you know theflow Dot? 479 00:23:13,065 --> 00:23:14,985 Speaker 1: Com, no But i'm going on there right. Now. 480 00:23:15,225 --> 00:23:17,705 Speaker 2: Yes it's founded by a very good friend of mine 481 00:23:17,745 --> 00:23:22,225 Speaker 2: who's a kick Asswoman Spanish Lupi porter and she was 482 00:23:22,225 --> 00:23:25,465 Speaker 2: the head of customer service and shopping For netaporte and 483 00:23:25,465 --> 00:23:28,785 Speaker 2: Mister porter for over fifteen. Years. Wow but this is 484 00:23:28,905 --> 00:23:32,065 Speaker 2: like advanced technology that we're talking. About SO i am 485 00:23:32,105 --> 00:23:34,665 Speaker 2: on it as well as the stylist. Curate so the 486 00:23:34,705 --> 00:23:38,025 Speaker 2: stylist can go on and sign up and curate a 487 00:23:38,105 --> 00:23:40,185 Speaker 2: mood bop just for the. Client so if you come 488 00:23:40,225 --> 00:23:41,465 Speaker 2: to me say, HEY i want to do this in. 489 00:23:41,465 --> 00:23:44,145 Speaker 2: There so what they do is they. Source it's not 490 00:23:44,185 --> 00:23:48,985 Speaker 2: like a it's a multi. Brand they even Have, netaporte My, Creezer, 491 00:23:49,585 --> 00:23:51,225 Speaker 2: prada Shop bop everything on this. 492 00:23:51,305 --> 00:23:54,345 Speaker 1: Website the client can then purchase from your edit. 493 00:23:54,345 --> 00:23:55,825 Speaker 2: Except from my mood. Board is that? 494 00:23:55,905 --> 00:23:59,265 Speaker 1: Paining so it's like a pinterest but for direct. Shopping 495 00:23:59,345 --> 00:24:00,665 Speaker 1: that's so, clever. 496 00:24:01,145 --> 00:24:03,665 Speaker 2: Very clever and then she's won so many. Awards so 497 00:24:03,945 --> 00:24:09,305 Speaker 2: my latest purchase is The jacqumu's little mini bag right, 498 00:24:09,345 --> 00:24:13,905 Speaker 2: orange The La. Bambino it's so. CUTE i, MEAN i 499 00:24:13,905 --> 00:24:16,425 Speaker 2: MEAN i think it was about about six hundred. 500 00:24:16,465 --> 00:24:20,265 Speaker 1: Dollars oh that's good for that. Brand and, okay so 501 00:24:20,345 --> 00:24:23,945 Speaker 1: there's sale items within this. App, Yes oh what have 502 00:24:24,025 --> 00:24:25,945 Speaker 1: you done to? Me this is bad, news but very good. 503 00:24:26,025 --> 00:24:28,385 Speaker 1: NEWS i, KNOW i know what's your? 504 00:24:28,505 --> 00:24:31,425 Speaker 2: BUDGET i, mean where DO i? Start you? KNOW i 505 00:24:31,545 --> 00:24:34,265 Speaker 2: make high and low throughout my whole life BECAUSE i 506 00:24:34,345 --> 00:24:38,985 Speaker 2: was well trained by my Mother Moogie Mooji. Moodie how 507 00:24:39,065 --> 00:24:39,705 Speaker 2: much do we Love? 508 00:24:39,785 --> 00:24:41,745 Speaker 1: MOOJIE i Love, moodie BUT i normally just go and 509 00:24:41,745 --> 00:24:44,065 Speaker 1: buy the little trinkets of my beauty. Staff they're cool 510 00:24:44,225 --> 00:24:46,305 Speaker 1: shape link. ROLLERS i don't Think i've ever looked at 511 00:24:46,305 --> 00:24:49,225 Speaker 1: their fashion what NO i? Know oh my. 512 00:24:49,345 --> 00:24:52,705 Speaker 2: Goodness so Because melbourne is so damn, COLD i actually 513 00:24:52,745 --> 00:24:55,225 Speaker 2: don't have enough. Jumpers so of, course, actually you know, 514 00:24:55,265 --> 00:24:58,425 Speaker 2: What moojie was the biggest pool for me to convince 515 00:24:58,465 --> 00:25:00,345 Speaker 2: my eleven year old son to move To. 516 00:25:00,385 --> 00:25:03,025 Speaker 1: MELBOURNE i love. That what a cool guy. 517 00:25:02,945 --> 00:25:06,665 Speaker 2: Because he's a huge mentic about. Stationaries i'm not the. Pays, 518 00:25:06,865 --> 00:25:10,585 Speaker 2: Yes muji. Sucks AS i. Say their socks is very. 519 00:25:10,585 --> 00:25:13,425 Speaker 2: Cool ranges from two dollars to ten. Dollars so if 520 00:25:13,465 --> 00:25:16,745 Speaker 2: you want to start your sock, journey go To muji. 521 00:25:17,105 --> 00:25:20,425 Speaker 2: By they have loads of, plain cool, colors like bright, 522 00:25:20,505 --> 00:25:22,945 Speaker 2: colors very cheap two dollars to. TEN i think they 523 00:25:22,985 --> 00:25:23,745 Speaker 2: have some st right. 524 00:25:23,785 --> 00:25:25,185 Speaker 1: Now oh, gosh thats like. 525 00:25:25,145 --> 00:25:29,705 Speaker 2: A really thick wool jumper for ninety nine. Dollars but 526 00:25:29,785 --> 00:25:31,785 Speaker 2: it's very warm and it will last. 527 00:25:31,785 --> 00:25:34,225 Speaker 1: Forever, yeah the quality is. Phenomenal it. Isn't everything they 528 00:25:34,225 --> 00:25:36,785 Speaker 1: do is so impeccable in terms of. Quality, yeah if 529 00:25:36,785 --> 00:25:37,185 Speaker 1: you want. 530 00:25:37,065 --> 00:25:39,625 Speaker 2: To go to buy more softs happy socks always, good 531 00:25:40,105 --> 00:25:42,985 Speaker 2: a huge. Company ninety, dollars prepare if you do, it 532 00:25:43,025 --> 00:25:45,985 Speaker 2: buy A bundo is sixty nine. Okay Or man does 533 00:25:46,065 --> 00:25:48,905 Speaker 2: a lot of fun, socks really cute nine dollars to. 534 00:25:48,865 --> 00:25:52,385 Speaker 1: Fifteen, okay, Okay i'm going to get into. Socks you've inspired. Me. 535 00:25:52,505 --> 00:25:57,025 Speaker 2: Wow and Also pare the brand that makes underwear tracks 536 00:25:57,025 --> 00:26:00,185 Speaker 2: Of oh, yes so they. SO i the REASON i 537 00:26:00,305 --> 00:26:02,265 Speaker 2: know about them BECAUSE i came off Of christmas AND 538 00:26:02,305 --> 00:26:05,585 Speaker 2: i saw this and then they they had this underwear 539 00:26:05,625 --> 00:26:07,545 Speaker 2: that is very see through and it's perfect for. Trouble 540 00:26:07,585 --> 00:26:08,705 Speaker 2: you just wash them in your hair dry. 541 00:26:08,745 --> 00:26:09,905 Speaker 1: Them oh, wow. 542 00:26:10,065 --> 00:26:12,225 Speaker 2: Amazing i've thought LIKE i don't. Know and they come 543 00:26:12,225 --> 00:26:14,385 Speaker 2: in little like liftick, chube which is so. Cute oh 544 00:26:14,425 --> 00:26:17,505 Speaker 2: that's so. Clear it is to thirty SIX a bundles forty. 545 00:26:17,545 --> 00:26:19,665 Speaker 2: Seven they're on cell right, now so go and check them. 546 00:26:19,705 --> 00:26:22,465 Speaker 1: Out oh my, gosh you were in the right, job my. 547 00:26:22,505 --> 00:26:25,545 Speaker 2: Friend those are like my go to and also obviously Op. 548 00:26:25,585 --> 00:26:26,505 Speaker 2: SHOP i love op. 549 00:26:26,545 --> 00:26:28,665 Speaker 1: Shops, yeah if you're lucky enough to live near. One 550 00:26:28,665 --> 00:26:31,945 Speaker 1: and thankfully more and more online platforms not just that 551 00:26:32,025 --> 00:26:33,905 Speaker 1: kind of high. End we're kind of getting a bit 552 00:26:33,905 --> 00:26:36,465 Speaker 1: of everything. Everywhere i'll quickly give you my. Budget my 553 00:26:36,505 --> 00:26:38,905 Speaker 1: favorite thing for this winter is kind of cool, chunky 554 00:26:38,945 --> 00:26:41,905 Speaker 1: really big. SCARVES i think it's the best winter. UPDATE i, 555 00:26:41,945 --> 00:26:43,585 Speaker 1: mean depending where you. Live but even if you've got 556 00:26:43,585 --> 00:26:46,465 Speaker 1: your old trench on over Your, lululemons you'll hate, that 557 00:26:46,745 --> 00:26:49,065 Speaker 1: but you're running to pick up chucking, on just a 558 00:26:49,105 --> 00:26:51,465 Speaker 1: really big scarf just looks kind of. Cool it's you, 559 00:26:51,465 --> 00:26:53,345 Speaker 1: know remember that photo Of Lenny krabats from a Dead 560 00:26:54,865 --> 00:26:57,705 Speaker 1: it was basically wearing a king sized knitted, blanket but 561 00:26:58,385 --> 00:27:00,545 Speaker 1: they're everywhere and they're really. Affordable my one THAT i 562 00:27:00,625 --> 00:27:03,385 Speaker 1: love at the moment is The uniclo j W anderson Heat. 563 00:27:03,385 --> 00:27:06,345 Speaker 1: Tech it comes in a, gray, brown or. Navy that's 564 00:27:06,345 --> 00:27:08,305 Speaker 1: a limited edition, though but they've got some really, big 565 00:27:08,545 --> 00:27:11,225 Speaker 1: kind of great chunky. Ones i'm Sure moodie probably has 566 00:27:11,305 --> 00:27:14,705 Speaker 1: a beautiful chunky. Knit they're kind of everywhere, there, affordable 567 00:27:14,905 --> 00:27:16,945 Speaker 1: and you just chuck it. On and because most people 568 00:27:16,985 --> 00:27:18,985 Speaker 1: see you from here, up they, think, oh she's putting some, 569 00:27:19,025 --> 00:27:20,305 Speaker 1: effort and they're not noticing the. 570 00:27:20,385 --> 00:27:23,465 Speaker 2: Linkings, yes, YES i think chunky is the way. 571 00:27:23,465 --> 00:27:26,985 Speaker 1: Forward, Yeah, grace you're a. Legend you weren't anywhere near 572 00:27:26,985 --> 00:27:29,025 Speaker 1: as scary AS i thought you might. BE i love 573 00:27:29,105 --> 00:27:31,625 Speaker 1: chatting to, you And i'm gonna keep you posted on 574 00:27:31,665 --> 00:27:32,665 Speaker 1: my sock. Journey you're. 575 00:27:32,665 --> 00:27:35,785 Speaker 2: Honest resting pictures for you, PEOPLE i love it until 576 00:27:35,825 --> 00:27:37,185 Speaker 2: you piss me. Off you're. 577 00:27:37,225 --> 00:27:39,625 Speaker 1: WONDERFUL i can't wait to have you. Back thanks for joining. 578 00:27:39,665 --> 00:27:42,945 Speaker 2: Us thank you so. Much go shopping, PEOPLE i love. 579 00:27:42,985 --> 00:27:46,225 Speaker 1: It thank you for listening To nothing To, wear and 580 00:27:46,305 --> 00:27:48,345 Speaker 1: don't forget to sign up to Our nothing To wear. 581 00:27:48,425 --> 00:27:50,545 Speaker 1: Newsletter there's a link in the show notes and it's 582 00:27:50,585 --> 00:27:53,585 Speaker 1: free and don't. 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