1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:11,424 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 3: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,864 Speaker 3: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 5 00:00:26,864 --> 00:00:29,064 Speaker 3: to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. 6 00:00:29,224 --> 00:00:32,184 Speaker 2: I'm Laura Brodney and I'm Cassania Lakitch. 7 00:00:31,664 --> 00:00:34,624 Speaker 3: And coming up on the show today, we have some 8 00:00:34,664 --> 00:00:37,744 Speaker 3: more Hailey Baber and Justin Bieber drama to bring you. 9 00:00:37,984 --> 00:00:40,464 Speaker 3: I know everyone's talking about Scooter Braun, but there's actually 10 00:00:40,464 --> 00:00:42,704 Speaker 3: something that was all two things actually that Roren Hailey 11 00:00:42,704 --> 00:00:45,624 Speaker 3: Baber's insta story that are much more exclusive than that 12 00:00:45,624 --> 00:00:49,104 Speaker 3: that we need to talk about. Plus our favorite online gal, 13 00:00:49,224 --> 00:00:53,224 Speaker 3: Amelia de Moldenburg, the Chicken Shop Date Lady, is caught 14 00:00:53,304 --> 00:00:55,744 Speaker 3: up in a drama with one of our other favorite 15 00:00:55,744 --> 00:00:57,424 Speaker 3: online performers, Bow and Yang. 16 00:00:57,824 --> 00:00:59,344 Speaker 2: Yes it's very controversial. 17 00:00:59,464 --> 00:01:01,664 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, the drama's not between them, but we'll get 18 00:01:01,664 --> 00:01:03,104 Speaker 3: to it. We'll get to this is my favorite story 19 00:01:03,144 --> 00:01:05,504 Speaker 3: from the weekend. But first we have some Hollywood news. 20 00:01:05,984 --> 00:01:10,264 Speaker 1: We have some casting announcements. There's two very very anticipation 21 00:01:10,424 --> 00:01:13,544 Speaker 1: did sequels coming up now The Devil Wears prior to 22 00:01:14,544 --> 00:01:18,544 Speaker 1: casting update, so we're obviously all very excited about this, 23 00:01:18,704 --> 00:01:20,944 Speaker 1: but I'll give you some of the casting updates that 24 00:01:20,984 --> 00:01:25,384 Speaker 1: we've got as of today, Lucy Lou is joining the cast. 25 00:01:26,024 --> 00:01:26,504 Speaker 2: Amazing. 26 00:01:26,704 --> 00:01:28,984 Speaker 3: That is my favorite bit of the casting news from 27 00:01:29,024 --> 00:01:32,144 Speaker 3: this whole thing, because obviously Lucy Lou Charlie's Angels, we 28 00:01:32,224 --> 00:01:34,584 Speaker 3: know she's been in so many amazing movies and TV shows. 29 00:01:34,624 --> 00:01:37,544 Speaker 2: Yeah, the speculation is she's going to be a rival editor. 30 00:01:37,624 --> 00:01:39,744 Speaker 1: So all I can think about is, you know they're 31 00:01:39,744 --> 00:01:42,264 Speaker 1: scene in Charlie's Angels where she's placed the Dominatrix. 32 00:01:42,424 --> 00:01:44,424 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, and she's walking down it's. 33 00:01:44,464 --> 00:01:47,784 Speaker 1: Oh, Bara Kuda, do you know that? That's what I'm 34 00:01:47,824 --> 00:01:48,744 Speaker 1: picturing in my head. 35 00:01:48,824 --> 00:01:52,864 Speaker 3: That's that. And also her very short lived TV series 36 00:01:53,144 --> 00:01:56,464 Speaker 3: Kashmir Mafia, where she plays a magazine editor. There only 37 00:01:56,504 --> 00:01:58,624 Speaker 3: twenty years old now, but it was meant to be 38 00:01:58,704 --> 00:02:00,824 Speaker 3: the replacement from Sex and the City and it was 39 00:02:00,824 --> 00:02:02,944 Speaker 3: about four best friends living New York with all of 40 00:02:02,944 --> 00:02:06,304 Speaker 3: these glamorous jobs and their relationships. And it only kind 41 00:02:06,304 --> 00:02:08,264 Speaker 3: of went for like, I think one season, maybe one 42 00:02:08,264 --> 00:02:10,064 Speaker 3: and a half. It ended because of the writers' strike 43 00:02:10,104 --> 00:02:12,104 Speaker 3: and they just never brought it back. But she was 44 00:02:12,184 --> 00:02:14,024 Speaker 3: so good in that role, so the fact that she 45 00:02:14,024 --> 00:02:17,344 Speaker 3: could come back playing a magazine editor. I'm like Justice 46 00:02:17,344 --> 00:02:20,384 Speaker 3: for Cashman Mafia. Okay, I never saw that one. I 47 00:02:20,384 --> 00:02:21,264 Speaker 3: feel like you'd like it. 48 00:02:21,344 --> 00:02:22,504 Speaker 2: I think I would. I would. 49 00:02:22,504 --> 00:02:25,264 Speaker 1: I love Lucy Loo. Justin throu is also on board. 50 00:02:25,304 --> 00:02:27,424 Speaker 1: We don't know what his role is going to be. 51 00:02:27,544 --> 00:02:30,384 Speaker 3: Just he just shows up and everything right he does. 52 00:02:30,544 --> 00:02:33,544 Speaker 2: I feel like he was in Charlie's Angels Tea. 53 00:02:33,584 --> 00:02:34,984 Speaker 3: He was in charlie Angels as well. 54 00:02:35,064 --> 00:02:38,104 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was the Irish gang guy. Anyway. I thought 55 00:02:38,104 --> 00:02:39,344 Speaker 2: he was really hot back then. 56 00:02:39,504 --> 00:02:41,304 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's still hot now. I just feel like 57 00:02:41,304 --> 00:02:43,864 Speaker 3: whenever I'm watching something like Running Point recently the Kate 58 00:02:43,904 --> 00:02:46,584 Speaker 3: Hudson Show, and it's like, is up dustin throw here? 59 00:02:46,584 --> 00:02:48,304 Speaker 2: It is everything. 60 00:02:48,584 --> 00:02:51,144 Speaker 1: Bj Novak, we love him from the office. We don't 61 00:02:51,144 --> 00:02:55,144 Speaker 1: know what he's playing. Pauline Shallow may no relation to Timothy. 62 00:02:55,224 --> 00:02:58,464 Speaker 3: Your sister is Yeah, so she's in Sex Gives of College. 63 00:02:58,664 --> 00:03:00,064 Speaker 2: I never watched I haven't watched that show. 64 00:03:00,184 --> 00:03:02,104 Speaker 3: Yees, so she's yeah, she's his sister. 65 00:03:02,304 --> 00:03:03,224 Speaker 2: I feel like I should know that. 66 00:03:08,664 --> 00:03:13,264 Speaker 1: Simone Ashley from Bridget also been cast, and Kenneth Bruno, 67 00:03:13,464 --> 00:03:15,784 Speaker 1: who is gonna be playing Miranda Priestley's husband. 68 00:03:15,984 --> 00:03:19,064 Speaker 3: I'm so excited by that. That's genius casting. And also, 69 00:03:19,264 --> 00:03:21,104 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure the Devil West Pride of team 70 00:03:21,184 --> 00:03:23,464 Speaker 3: know what they're doing, but I've been quite stressed about 71 00:03:23,464 --> 00:03:25,344 Speaker 3: their timeline. So I'm glad they're getting a wigger on 72 00:03:25,464 --> 00:03:28,744 Speaker 3: because this movie is coming out next year and quite soon, 73 00:03:28,784 --> 00:03:31,104 Speaker 3: because I get the movie release schedules of like what's 74 00:03:31,144 --> 00:03:33,744 Speaker 3: coming out for the next year, and so the official 75 00:03:33,744 --> 00:03:36,104 Speaker 3: release date for Devil Roes Prior came out in one 76 00:03:36,104 --> 00:03:39,024 Speaker 3: of the latest reports, and it's not that far away 77 00:03:39,064 --> 00:03:41,464 Speaker 3: from a movie that, as far as I know, has 78 00:03:41,504 --> 00:03:42,304 Speaker 3: not been shot yet. 79 00:03:42,344 --> 00:03:44,344 Speaker 1: I feel like though with these kind of it's not 80 00:03:44,544 --> 00:03:46,584 Speaker 1: like it's gonna have a ton of special effects. They're 81 00:03:46,624 --> 00:03:48,504 Speaker 1: not gonna have to do a little post production on it. 82 00:03:48,824 --> 00:03:51,144 Speaker 1: They can do like a six weeks shooting schedule and 83 00:03:51,184 --> 00:03:52,784 Speaker 1: then turn it out, you know. 84 00:03:53,024 --> 00:03:55,264 Speaker 2: Like I know how to make a movie. Well, I know. 85 00:03:55,344 --> 00:03:57,224 Speaker 3: That's the thing is, like you hear these movies being 86 00:03:57,224 --> 00:03:59,784 Speaker 3: like still edited the day before, even like with a 87 00:03:59,784 --> 00:04:00,664 Speaker 3: recent mission. 88 00:04:00,664 --> 00:04:01,184 Speaker 2: Impossible. 89 00:04:01,224 --> 00:04:03,984 Speaker 3: Tom's like Tom Cruise at the premiere was like, We've 90 00:04:04,144 --> 00:04:06,584 Speaker 3: just finished editing this movie like yesterday, So none of 91 00:04:06,624 --> 00:04:07,184 Speaker 3: us have seen it. 92 00:04:07,224 --> 00:04:09,744 Speaker 1: But that's because of all the effects you're gonna have 93 00:04:09,824 --> 00:04:13,144 Speaker 1: practical that stunt work, you know, CGI. A movie like 94 00:04:13,224 --> 00:04:15,144 Speaker 1: Devil Wears prior to two is not going to have 95 00:04:15,264 --> 00:04:17,584 Speaker 1: like a ton of CGI and practically no I know, but. 96 00:04:17,544 --> 00:04:19,704 Speaker 3: Even just the editing process, like that's a make or 97 00:04:19,744 --> 00:04:21,864 Speaker 3: break for a movie. Yeah, Like anyway, So I'm just 98 00:04:21,904 --> 00:04:24,424 Speaker 3: I'm stressed about their workload and timeline. I'd love them 99 00:04:24,464 --> 00:04:26,744 Speaker 3: to get it together. I just I think so. I 100 00:04:26,944 --> 00:04:28,624 Speaker 3: think Devil's Pride team, I think we're playing out a 101 00:04:28,624 --> 00:04:30,144 Speaker 3: bit fast and loose, is all I'm gonna say. 102 00:04:30,344 --> 00:04:33,064 Speaker 1: The other sequel that I'm super excited about is Practical 103 00:04:33,104 --> 00:04:34,824 Speaker 1: Magic too. With this has been in the works for 104 00:04:34,864 --> 00:04:36,624 Speaker 1: a while. But we do have a bit of a 105 00:04:36,664 --> 00:04:39,944 Speaker 1: casting update. Evan rachel Wood is not going to be 106 00:04:39,984 --> 00:04:43,384 Speaker 1: returning in her role. She basically led out a statement 107 00:04:43,464 --> 00:04:47,304 Speaker 1: saying that she actually wasn't approached that she wanted to return, 108 00:04:47,664 --> 00:04:50,784 Speaker 1: and she was disappointed that she didn't get to return 109 00:04:50,784 --> 00:04:54,224 Speaker 1: in the role. She says, I regret disappointing the fans. 110 00:04:54,344 --> 00:04:57,224 Speaker 1: This decision was beyond my control. I would have eagerly 111 00:04:57,264 --> 00:04:58,784 Speaker 1: reunited with my sisters. 112 00:04:59,424 --> 00:05:01,944 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is so interesting So we've had this news 113 00:05:01,984 --> 00:05:04,224 Speaker 3: for many months now that Practical Magic is coming back, 114 00:05:04,464 --> 00:05:08,224 Speaker 3: and it's really being spearheaded by the stars of the movie, 115 00:05:08,264 --> 00:05:11,144 Speaker 3: so Nicole Kidman and Sandra bull So if anyone who's 116 00:05:11,144 --> 00:05:12,664 Speaker 3: on a cross even though we've talked about this pod 117 00:05:12,744 --> 00:05:14,424 Speaker 3: so many times, I hope you've all gone and watched 118 00:05:14,464 --> 00:05:16,544 Speaker 3: it since I last had an emotional breakdown about it. 119 00:05:16,624 --> 00:05:19,064 Speaker 2: Yeah, this you just told me that am hadn't seen 120 00:05:19,104 --> 00:05:19,744 Speaker 2: it and. 121 00:05:19,664 --> 00:05:21,824 Speaker 3: It and she still hasn't yet. That makes me why 122 00:05:21,904 --> 00:05:23,104 Speaker 3: she's off the print today. 123 00:05:23,544 --> 00:05:24,664 Speaker 2: It just makes me really angry. 124 00:05:24,704 --> 00:05:26,664 Speaker 1: It's like how angry you got at me last week 125 00:05:26,704 --> 00:05:27,984 Speaker 1: for not knowing Gilmore Girls. 126 00:05:28,024 --> 00:05:29,664 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we're still on a fight about that, by 127 00:05:29,704 --> 00:05:31,824 Speaker 3: the way, But this film came out in nineteen ninety eight. 128 00:05:31,864 --> 00:05:33,984 Speaker 3: It is it has gone on to be like a 129 00:05:34,024 --> 00:05:35,864 Speaker 3: complete cult classic. Like I feel like a lot of 130 00:05:35,984 --> 00:05:37,904 Speaker 3: us have kind of built our lives around it, shaped 131 00:05:37,904 --> 00:05:39,584 Speaker 3: our lives around it. So my friends and I we 132 00:05:39,624 --> 00:05:42,104 Speaker 3: still quote the movie like it's become a huge thing. 133 00:05:42,384 --> 00:05:45,504 Speaker 3: So Sandra and Nicole, who played the sisters, have been 134 00:05:45,544 --> 00:05:47,784 Speaker 3: a driving force in getting it back. It's the same 135 00:05:47,904 --> 00:05:50,864 Speaker 3: director who directed Sandra Bullock in Bird Box and also 136 00:05:50,944 --> 00:05:54,264 Speaker 3: directed Nicole Kimmen in The Perfect Couple. So they're really 137 00:05:54,264 --> 00:05:56,024 Speaker 3: I feel like they're the driving force behind it. 138 00:05:56,144 --> 00:05:58,624 Speaker 1: I mean that I just keep getting these flashbacks. It's 139 00:05:58,664 --> 00:06:01,464 Speaker 1: such a nostalgic movie for me, Like I remember going 140 00:06:01,504 --> 00:06:03,424 Speaker 1: and watching it with my mom and then all of 141 00:06:03,464 --> 00:06:06,584 Speaker 1: a sudden, I was a witch. We were talking about 142 00:06:06,584 --> 00:06:09,024 Speaker 1: this yea before we started recording, about how we would 143 00:06:09,024 --> 00:06:10,624 Speaker 1: like I would kill like flowers and go to the 144 00:06:10,624 --> 00:06:14,264 Speaker 1: bubbler in primary school and like make potions. But yeah, 145 00:06:14,304 --> 00:06:16,464 Speaker 1: this movie was just so like the One Blue Eye, 146 00:06:16,504 --> 00:06:19,504 Speaker 1: One Brown like creating the man and the man comes 147 00:06:19,544 --> 00:06:21,304 Speaker 1: and then the dead body in the background. 148 00:06:21,344 --> 00:06:24,024 Speaker 2: It's like a such cold movie. So good. 149 00:06:24,304 --> 00:06:26,464 Speaker 3: And so when it was announced was coming back, it 150 00:06:26,504 --> 00:06:29,224 Speaker 3: was mostly just Sandra Bullock and Aicule Kimen attached, which 151 00:06:29,304 --> 00:06:30,984 Speaker 3: you know, they're the Owen sisters. That's the main thing. 152 00:06:31,264 --> 00:06:33,584 Speaker 3: But over the weekend they put out some new casting 153 00:06:33,624 --> 00:06:36,104 Speaker 3: news and so they said new additions to the cast 154 00:06:36,184 --> 00:06:41,544 Speaker 3: include Joey King, Lee Pace, Mazie Williams, Solly MacLeod. Also, 155 00:06:41,584 --> 00:06:45,184 Speaker 3: the biggest casting news was that Stockard Channing and Diane Weese, 156 00:06:45,184 --> 00:06:47,464 Speaker 3: who played their aunts in the movie. So if you're 157 00:06:47,464 --> 00:06:50,224 Speaker 3: not across the movie. It's like the Owen sisters are 158 00:06:50,304 --> 00:06:52,304 Speaker 3: raised by their aunts, because this is the whole thing 159 00:06:52,344 --> 00:06:54,144 Speaker 3: of like, you know, the men and their family are 160 00:06:54,184 --> 00:06:56,384 Speaker 3: curse to die. So it was such big news that 161 00:06:56,384 --> 00:06:59,264 Speaker 3: we've almost got that core force them back together. And 162 00:06:59,344 --> 00:07:01,904 Speaker 3: that was the interesting thing about Evan rachel Wood because 163 00:07:01,904 --> 00:07:05,624 Speaker 3: she plays in the movie Sandra Bullock's daughter Kylie, and 164 00:07:05,624 --> 00:07:08,104 Speaker 3: she's got quite a few kind of big scenes, and 165 00:07:08,304 --> 00:07:11,504 Speaker 3: the fact that she put out that statement saying I 166 00:07:11,624 --> 00:07:14,744 Speaker 3: approached them and offered my services, and she said, I 167 00:07:14,744 --> 00:07:17,344 Speaker 3: said I would come back in any capacity, a scene, 168 00:07:17,424 --> 00:07:21,144 Speaker 3: a line, anything, and I was told my services weren't needed. 169 00:07:21,464 --> 00:07:22,904 Speaker 3: And at the end where she's like, I would have 170 00:07:22,944 --> 00:07:26,424 Speaker 3: loved to rejoin my sisters, that's so pointed. And it 171 00:07:26,504 --> 00:07:30,424 Speaker 3: feels very pointed at Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman in 172 00:07:30,464 --> 00:07:33,344 Speaker 3: particular because they are the ones who are bringing the 173 00:07:33,384 --> 00:07:35,424 Speaker 3: movie back, Like it feels like the buck stops with them. 174 00:07:35,504 --> 00:07:40,224 Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels to me a very very strange response 175 00:07:40,304 --> 00:07:43,304 Speaker 1: to not include her, especially when she wanted to be involved. 176 00:07:43,424 --> 00:07:45,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, Evan rachel Wood is an excellent. 177 00:07:45,304 --> 00:07:47,464 Speaker 3: Actress and she's got such a witchy via. 178 00:07:47,584 --> 00:07:49,144 Speaker 2: I don't know if you watched West World, did you 179 00:07:49,184 --> 00:07:49,504 Speaker 2: watch that. 180 00:07:49,864 --> 00:07:52,904 Speaker 3: Her in Westworld? I also loved her in True Blood 181 00:07:52,904 --> 00:07:55,704 Speaker 3: where she plays the vampire queen. She's played so many 182 00:07:55,784 --> 00:07:58,744 Speaker 3: supernatural characters over the years, and she looks so much 183 00:07:58,784 --> 00:08:00,624 Speaker 3: like Sandra Bork and no Cold Kim And the whole 184 00:08:00,664 --> 00:08:03,624 Speaker 3: thing is that each group of sisters is a brunette 185 00:08:03,624 --> 00:08:05,864 Speaker 3: and a redhead, and she's got that red anyway. It's 186 00:08:05,864 --> 00:08:06,584 Speaker 3: just such a weird thing. 187 00:08:06,664 --> 00:08:09,264 Speaker 1: Yeah, bizarre, bizarre. I don't know why they did this, 188 00:08:09,344 --> 00:08:11,984 Speaker 1: but redcasting Joe King. I know Joe King has got 189 00:08:12,024 --> 00:08:15,104 Speaker 1: like I just would much prefer Evan Rachel Wood in it. 190 00:08:15,304 --> 00:08:17,344 Speaker 3: So would I. And I almost feel like this is 191 00:08:17,384 --> 00:08:19,864 Speaker 3: sometimes a bit of like friends hiring friends, and I 192 00:08:19,864 --> 00:08:23,904 Speaker 3: don't mean to start drama NEPO baby Yeah, by extension, 193 00:08:24,024 --> 00:08:26,624 Speaker 3: So we don't know who everyone's playing yet, but Joey 194 00:08:26,704 --> 00:08:29,184 Speaker 3: King's name is on the cast list. She acted with 195 00:08:29,304 --> 00:08:32,864 Speaker 3: Nicole Kidman in that movie with zac Efron. She plays 196 00:08:32,904 --> 00:08:36,584 Speaker 3: her daughter in that where Nicole Kimmen starts dating her 197 00:08:36,704 --> 00:08:39,864 Speaker 3: daughter's boss, which is zac Efron, and Joey King's in 198 00:08:39,984 --> 00:08:44,104 Speaker 3: that and they have a really close relationship. They've talked 199 00:08:44,144 --> 00:08:45,904 Speaker 3: about it here because they've been friends for a long time. 200 00:08:45,944 --> 00:08:49,224 Speaker 3: They're really close, especially after being in that movie together. 201 00:08:49,624 --> 00:08:52,024 Speaker 3: So is this the case of which I guess actors 202 00:08:52,024 --> 00:08:53,944 Speaker 3: and producers do. They bring in people they like to 203 00:08:53,984 --> 00:08:56,024 Speaker 3: work with. But is this the case of her bringing 204 00:08:56,104 --> 00:08:58,464 Speaker 3: Joey King in to be her daughter over Evan Rachel. 205 00:08:58,464 --> 00:09:00,024 Speaker 2: Would I don't know, but joe her daughter? 206 00:09:00,064 --> 00:09:02,624 Speaker 3: Sorry, it would be Sandra Bulog's daughter, because that's who 207 00:09:02,664 --> 00:09:04,784 Speaker 3: it is, unless Nicole Kimmen's character has a daughter at 208 00:09:04,784 --> 00:09:05,224 Speaker 3: this stage. 209 00:09:05,384 --> 00:09:07,904 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I don't think she's It's interesting to 210 00:09:07,944 --> 00:09:09,904 Speaker 1: say that she's recassed because joe King is quite a 211 00:09:09,904 --> 00:09:11,344 Speaker 1: bit young that Evan Rachel would. 212 00:09:11,504 --> 00:09:13,984 Speaker 2: Yeah, age she could, frankly, but. 213 00:09:13,904 --> 00:09:16,424 Speaker 3: If they're saying, like maybe ten years has passed since 214 00:09:16,464 --> 00:09:19,624 Speaker 3: the original movie, she would only be like in her 215 00:09:19,664 --> 00:09:20,304 Speaker 3: mid twenties. 216 00:09:20,384 --> 00:09:22,584 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, but Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman have not 217 00:09:22,864 --> 00:09:23,984 Speaker 1: some timing is off here. 218 00:09:24,184 --> 00:09:26,584 Speaker 3: Well, we don't in the timeline. It could be ten 219 00:09:26,624 --> 00:09:28,544 Speaker 3: to twenty years, but I think you can slaught an 220 00:09:28,544 --> 00:09:30,464 Speaker 3: actress of that age and you can slaughter into kind 221 00:09:30,464 --> 00:09:32,344 Speaker 3: of be anything. She might not be their daughter, we 222 00:09:32,384 --> 00:09:34,424 Speaker 3: don't know, but that's just what I'm thinking. So It's 223 00:09:34,504 --> 00:09:36,464 Speaker 3: kind of interesting that this movie that is shaped to 224 00:09:36,464 --> 00:09:39,504 Speaker 3: be about like sisterhood and women coming together has now 225 00:09:39,544 --> 00:09:42,104 Speaker 3: kind of been marred by this. Yeah, I'm an extent 226 00:09:42,144 --> 00:09:42,704 Speaker 3: for the fans. 227 00:09:42,744 --> 00:09:45,624 Speaker 1: I've got to say, I'm really disappointed, and it makes 228 00:09:45,664 --> 00:09:47,224 Speaker 1: me very concerned for the sequel. 229 00:09:47,584 --> 00:09:50,264 Speaker 3: Still think the sequel will be great, but yeah, it 230 00:09:50,304 --> 00:09:52,184 Speaker 3: has left a bit of sour taste in fans mouths. 231 00:09:52,184 --> 00:09:55,264 Speaker 3: I also, I wonder what Nicole and Sandra will say 232 00:09:55,344 --> 00:09:57,344 Speaker 3: about it. I don't think they'll they'll have to address 233 00:09:57,344 --> 00:09:59,024 Speaker 3: it until they're doing press for the movie, which is 234 00:09:59,064 --> 00:10:02,104 Speaker 3: so far away. So maybe they're hoping people will have 235 00:10:02,104 --> 00:10:04,464 Speaker 3: forgotten by them they well, I won't have forgotten. 236 00:10:04,504 --> 00:10:06,424 Speaker 1: I also feel like Sandra Bullok is like the nicest 237 00:10:06,464 --> 00:10:07,224 Speaker 1: woman in Hollywood. 238 00:10:07,304 --> 00:10:07,504 Speaker 2: Yeah. 239 00:10:07,544 --> 00:10:09,024 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure neither of them were like, We're going 240 00:10:09,104 --> 00:10:11,664 Speaker 3: to take down Evan rachel Wood. I'm thinking that her 241 00:10:11,704 --> 00:10:13,744 Speaker 3: reps contacted their reps and they were like, no, we've 242 00:10:13,744 --> 00:10:16,304 Speaker 3: already cast the movie so and we didn't even factor 243 00:10:16,344 --> 00:10:16,984 Speaker 3: you into it. 244 00:10:17,064 --> 00:10:17,984 Speaker 2: That's so sad. 245 00:10:18,584 --> 00:10:20,424 Speaker 3: Maybe this will be like when oh my god, I'm 246 00:10:20,424 --> 00:10:22,224 Speaker 3: gonna tell me Gilmore girls again. Maybe this will be 247 00:10:22,384 --> 00:10:24,584 Speaker 3: like when just so you just take a moment when 248 00:10:24,664 --> 00:10:27,424 Speaker 3: Melissa McCarthy heard that they were redoing Gilmore Girls and 249 00:10:27,464 --> 00:10:28,864 Speaker 3: she was asked about in the press and she was like, 250 00:10:28,904 --> 00:10:30,344 Speaker 3: I didn't know anything about it, No one asked me 251 00:10:30,384 --> 00:10:33,184 Speaker 3: to come back, And then they factored her in with 252 00:10:33,304 --> 00:10:35,944 Speaker 3: like a little cameo. Maybe that'll happen this time. 253 00:10:36,104 --> 00:10:38,584 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we could be so lucky. 254 00:10:40,384 --> 00:10:45,624 Speaker 1: Okay, believers, Justin is back with his seventh studio album. 255 00:10:45,744 --> 00:10:49,464 Speaker 1: He released Swag on the eleventh of July, and everyone 256 00:10:49,584 --> 00:10:52,624 Speaker 1: is very excited about it. But there is a little 257 00:10:52,624 --> 00:10:54,824 Speaker 1: bit of stuff going on behind the scenes. 258 00:10:54,944 --> 00:10:57,024 Speaker 3: There always is with these two, but especially in the 259 00:10:57,104 --> 00:10:57,584 Speaker 3: last week. 260 00:10:57,744 --> 00:10:59,664 Speaker 1: Yes, So the last week there's been a lot going on, 261 00:10:59,744 --> 00:11:03,664 Speaker 1: particularly Scooter Braun. Now Scooter Braun has come out because 262 00:11:03,664 --> 00:11:05,624 Speaker 1: they've had all that financial difficulty. 263 00:11:05,904 --> 00:11:08,184 Speaker 2: Should I go through a bit of a timeline. 264 00:11:07,664 --> 00:11:08,064 Speaker 3: Please do? 265 00:11:08,144 --> 00:11:10,144 Speaker 1: Should I go through a little bit of history, because 266 00:11:10,144 --> 00:11:12,504 Speaker 1: I feel like so much has happened and then a 267 00:11:12,544 --> 00:11:14,384 Speaker 1: lot has kind of resolved itself in the last week 268 00:11:14,424 --> 00:11:15,584 Speaker 1: that I feel like we need to kind. 269 00:11:15,424 --> 00:11:16,024 Speaker 2: Of go back. 270 00:11:16,664 --> 00:11:18,704 Speaker 1: Okay, so we're going to go back to twenty twenty 271 00:11:18,744 --> 00:11:21,144 Speaker 1: two when it was the Justice World Tour. 272 00:11:21,744 --> 00:11:25,144 Speaker 2: This is when Justin runs into a bit of financial. 273 00:11:24,744 --> 00:11:28,264 Speaker 1: Trouble, right, So he gets an advance from Scooter Braun 274 00:11:28,784 --> 00:11:33,424 Speaker 1: forty million dollar advance to promote this. Then midway through 275 00:11:33,864 --> 00:11:37,704 Speaker 1: the tour he had to cancel it because of health reasons, 276 00:11:38,384 --> 00:11:41,464 Speaker 1: and because of that, he had a contractual obligation to 277 00:11:41,504 --> 00:11:44,944 Speaker 1: repay twenty six million dollars of that advance, which is 278 00:11:44,984 --> 00:11:47,904 Speaker 1: a lot of money. Now, he had a lot of 279 00:11:47,944 --> 00:11:50,424 Speaker 1: debt with Scooteron and Scooter Boughn basically loaned him all 280 00:11:50,464 --> 00:11:51,504 Speaker 1: of his money for this tour. 281 00:11:51,664 --> 00:11:54,864 Speaker 2: Yes, he expected this repayment. That didn't happen. 282 00:11:55,344 --> 00:11:57,984 Speaker 1: So in December of twenty twenty two, he decided to 283 00:11:58,024 --> 00:12:01,264 Speaker 1: sell his catalog basically to fund this big debt. 284 00:12:01,104 --> 00:12:01,704 Speaker 2: That he had. 285 00:12:02,304 --> 00:12:05,904 Speaker 1: So he's also for two hundred million dollars to avoid bankruptcy. 286 00:12:06,584 --> 00:12:08,224 Speaker 1: That sort of starts this whole rumor that he's going 287 00:12:08,264 --> 00:12:11,504 Speaker 1: through a lot of financial struggles. That all starts happening. 288 00:12:11,584 --> 00:12:14,544 Speaker 1: He's still got all these legal problems. Then earlier this year, 289 00:12:14,704 --> 00:12:19,264 Speaker 1: Hailey Bieber sells Road for a billion dollars, well just 290 00:12:19,384 --> 00:12:22,544 Speaker 1: under a billion, So great, Justin Bieber's rich again. He 291 00:12:22,584 --> 00:12:25,224 Speaker 1: can pay back Scooter Braun, which is effectively what he did. 292 00:12:25,744 --> 00:12:28,944 Speaker 1: Hailey sold Road, then he pays back Scooter Braun like 293 00:12:28,984 --> 00:12:29,664 Speaker 1: two months later. 294 00:12:30,224 --> 00:12:32,864 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean at the time we tie those things together. 295 00:12:32,864 --> 00:12:34,344 Speaker 3: And even though like a lot of people weren't saying 296 00:12:34,344 --> 00:12:36,064 Speaker 3: it out loud, it fell like two things that she 297 00:12:36,144 --> 00:12:39,264 Speaker 3: had this great business opportunity and it was also very 298 00:12:39,304 --> 00:12:41,944 Speaker 3: telling that her husband was in a huge amount of 299 00:12:41,984 --> 00:12:44,264 Speaker 3: debt and she is the breadwinner of that family at 300 00:12:44,264 --> 00:12:46,824 Speaker 3: the moment for sure, And so it did feel like 301 00:12:46,904 --> 00:12:50,224 Speaker 3: some of her like business pressure on herself was to 302 00:12:50,304 --> 00:12:53,384 Speaker 3: kind of fix his money problems, which I guess ultimately 303 00:12:53,464 --> 00:12:55,104 Speaker 3: she did if he's paid back Scooter Braun. 304 00:12:55,184 --> 00:12:59,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, so basically July eleven, he settled his debt with 305 00:12:59,384 --> 00:13:03,944 Speaker 1: Scooter Braun. So he paid the twenty six million dollars 306 00:13:03,944 --> 00:13:06,504 Speaker 1: for the tour advance and five point five million in 307 00:13:06,704 --> 00:13:11,104 Speaker 1: unpaid commissions totally in thirty one point five million million dollars, 308 00:13:11,424 --> 00:13:14,344 Speaker 1: which is only a real drop in that almost billion 309 00:13:14,424 --> 00:13:15,504 Speaker 1: dollars that Hailey made. 310 00:13:15,664 --> 00:13:17,544 Speaker 2: Yes, although I would say that she has to put 311 00:13:17,624 --> 00:13:17,904 Speaker 2: quite a. 312 00:13:17,864 --> 00:13:20,144 Speaker 1: Lot to taxes and stuff like, it's not like she's 313 00:13:20,184 --> 00:13:21,304 Speaker 1: getting that tax free. 314 00:13:22,024 --> 00:13:25,624 Speaker 3: Actually, well, I mean maybe people have tricks. There's one 315 00:13:25,624 --> 00:13:27,304 Speaker 3: thing I have with all the rich people. I know 316 00:13:27,344 --> 00:13:28,744 Speaker 3: they have tricks. Not today they've got. 317 00:13:28,784 --> 00:13:34,024 Speaker 1: They have tricks and offshore bank accounts Switzerland. Yeah, all 318 00:13:34,064 --> 00:13:35,544 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. So I'm sure she's not paying 319 00:13:35,544 --> 00:13:38,184 Speaker 1: that much tax on it. Anyway, that was a really 320 00:13:38,184 --> 00:13:41,464 Speaker 1: interesting thing. So Scooter Braun then releases a statement about 321 00:13:42,184 --> 00:13:45,344 Speaker 1: Justin's new album, which he released. Kind of surprised everyone 322 00:13:45,384 --> 00:13:47,584 Speaker 1: with this release. We kind of knew he was working 323 00:13:47,664 --> 00:13:50,784 Speaker 1: on new music, but there was no announcement, there was 324 00:13:50,824 --> 00:13:51,424 Speaker 1: no suggestion. 325 00:13:51,664 --> 00:13:53,104 Speaker 2: It just kind of got dropped. 326 00:13:53,624 --> 00:13:58,144 Speaker 3: Very Beyonce of him just to drop an album. 327 00:13:58,704 --> 00:14:00,824 Speaker 1: I was literally going to say the same thing, very 328 00:14:00,824 --> 00:14:02,624 Speaker 1: Beyonce of him to just drop an album. 329 00:14:03,104 --> 00:14:05,344 Speaker 2: Now I did listen to it. It's actually quite good. 330 00:14:05,664 --> 00:14:07,624 Speaker 3: I'm the wrong person to ask. I know that people 331 00:14:07,824 --> 00:14:11,704 Speaker 3: love his music very much. I would never offend the believers, 332 00:14:11,944 --> 00:14:15,344 Speaker 3: especially because, yeah, mostly his fans for the most part, 333 00:14:15,464 --> 00:14:17,264 Speaker 3: were young women, and I feel like their music tape 334 00:14:17,344 --> 00:14:20,184 Speaker 3: taste gets dismissed a lot, so I'm all in with 335 00:14:20,224 --> 00:14:21,824 Speaker 3: them loving him. I have so many friends that are 336 00:14:21,824 --> 00:14:25,264 Speaker 3: obsessed with him even now. It's just not my type 337 00:14:25,264 --> 00:14:27,264 Speaker 3: of music, so it's hard for me to gauge how 338 00:14:27,304 --> 00:14:29,624 Speaker 3: this stacks up against some of his past hits. But 339 00:14:29,984 --> 00:14:33,024 Speaker 3: all the responses I saw to what people were reacting 340 00:14:33,064 --> 00:14:35,224 Speaker 3: online over the weekend when everyone was listening to it. 341 00:14:35,464 --> 00:14:37,584 Speaker 3: So many of his fans were like quite emotional over 342 00:14:37,624 --> 00:14:39,984 Speaker 3: his music coming back, and they were like, once a believer, 343 00:14:40,104 --> 00:14:42,304 Speaker 3: always a believer. So many people were being like I 344 00:14:42,344 --> 00:14:43,904 Speaker 3: loved his music in high school and now I'm a 345 00:14:43,904 --> 00:14:46,024 Speaker 3: girl and a like adult ass woman, like in my 346 00:14:46,104 --> 00:14:48,664 Speaker 3: car singing on to his new album. Something's ever changed? Like, 347 00:14:48,664 --> 00:14:50,424 Speaker 3: I feel like it was a very positive response. 348 00:14:50,504 --> 00:14:52,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it has been quite positive. 349 00:14:52,104 --> 00:14:54,584 Speaker 1: I also think it's really interesting because it's been quite 350 00:14:54,584 --> 00:14:57,864 Speaker 1: a while since he released an album, and our believers 351 00:14:57,904 --> 00:15:00,904 Speaker 1: have actually grown up. You know, they're not twelve years old. 352 00:15:00,904 --> 00:15:03,744 Speaker 1: They're not fourteen years old screaming trying to grab his hand. 353 00:15:03,784 --> 00:15:07,264 Speaker 1: I'm looking at you, Minitia, our producer who grabbed his 354 00:15:07,304 --> 00:15:10,224 Speaker 1: hand at a concert one time, just very excited about it. 355 00:15:10,544 --> 00:15:12,184 Speaker 2: So they've grown up a little bit. 356 00:15:12,224 --> 00:15:15,224 Speaker 1: You know, they're in their late twenties now early thirties, 357 00:15:15,464 --> 00:15:18,584 Speaker 1: and it's interesting to see how his music has shifted now. 358 00:15:18,584 --> 00:15:22,304 Speaker 1: Scooter Braun did actually release a statement saying that this 359 00:15:22,424 --> 00:15:26,424 Speaker 1: album is quote the most authentically Justin Bieber album to date, 360 00:15:26,944 --> 00:15:29,784 Speaker 1: so he seems to be still quite a positive relationship 361 00:15:29,824 --> 00:15:33,064 Speaker 1: with him, even though he's not involved with this project 362 00:15:33,224 --> 00:15:35,944 Speaker 1: at all. But I think that's probably just a surface 363 00:15:36,544 --> 00:15:37,024 Speaker 1: level there. 364 00:15:37,104 --> 00:15:38,744 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my gut. Well. 365 00:15:38,784 --> 00:15:41,224 Speaker 3: I think Scooter Braun had been so sort of wrapped 366 00:15:41,264 --> 00:15:43,464 Speaker 3: up in Justin Bieber's career for such a long time, 367 00:15:43,544 --> 00:15:45,544 Speaker 3: and he also has tried not to say too many 368 00:15:45,584 --> 00:15:48,184 Speaker 3: negative things about him in the press. I think he's 369 00:15:48,264 --> 00:15:51,064 Speaker 3: very aware of like angering fans the same way he 370 00:15:51,104 --> 00:15:53,584 Speaker 3: feels very burnt by like Taylor Swiss fans, and he's 371 00:15:53,624 --> 00:15:55,384 Speaker 3: been trying to dig himself out of that hole for 372 00:15:55,384 --> 00:15:57,904 Speaker 3: a really long time. So yes, he called Swag a 373 00:15:57,984 --> 00:16:01,744 Speaker 3: beautiful raw and truly him. But then Hailey Bieber jumped 374 00:16:01,744 --> 00:16:04,824 Speaker 3: into the free our favorite always online girl, so aware 375 00:16:04,864 --> 00:16:07,224 Speaker 3: of what the people are saying. Almost like the moment 376 00:16:07,224 --> 00:16:09,744 Speaker 3: after Scooter Braun put up that praise of Justin Bieber, 377 00:16:09,984 --> 00:16:13,584 Speaker 3: Haley Bieber put up this photo of herself on her 378 00:16:13,664 --> 00:16:15,384 Speaker 3: Instagram where she was like doing like a bit of 379 00:16:15,384 --> 00:16:17,984 Speaker 3: a side eye, and then she added the Mariah Carey 380 00:16:18,064 --> 00:16:21,584 Speaker 3: song Obsessed, And so a lot of people thought Hailey 381 00:16:21,584 --> 00:16:25,824 Speaker 3: Bieber was giving side eye to Scooter Braun so obsessing 382 00:16:26,024 --> 00:16:29,384 Speaker 3: me exactly that and saying that he was overly obsessed 383 00:16:29,384 --> 00:16:31,384 Speaker 3: with her husband and his new release. So that just 384 00:16:31,424 --> 00:16:34,424 Speaker 3: fired the fans up against Scooter Braun anyway. But Hailey's 385 00:16:34,704 --> 00:16:37,584 Speaker 3: Instagram has been also the kind of big talking point 386 00:16:38,064 --> 00:16:40,624 Speaker 3: over the last couple of days, almost as much as 387 00:16:40,824 --> 00:16:43,144 Speaker 3: Justin Bieber's album release, Like, I feel like I saw 388 00:16:43,224 --> 00:16:46,944 Speaker 3: more headlines about her response to it than I saw 389 00:16:47,144 --> 00:16:49,824 Speaker 3: about his actual music, because again, people are looking for 390 00:16:49,864 --> 00:16:53,224 Speaker 3: that drama because Hailey put up a photo of the 391 00:16:53,304 --> 00:16:56,784 Speaker 3: cover art for his album, which is really lovely. It's 392 00:16:56,784 --> 00:16:59,784 Speaker 3: all these beautiful black and white photos of the couple 393 00:16:59,824 --> 00:17:02,624 Speaker 3: and their ten month old son, Jack Blues, and it's 394 00:17:02,624 --> 00:17:06,104 Speaker 3: this really sweet family portrait, and it's kind of interesting 395 00:17:06,144 --> 00:17:08,624 Speaker 3: that tack she decided to take with it, because obviously 396 00:17:08,784 --> 00:17:12,184 Speaker 3: Justin has put this cover art on because a lot 397 00:17:12,184 --> 00:17:14,624 Speaker 3: of criticism of him has been that he treats his 398 00:17:14,704 --> 00:17:16,864 Speaker 3: wife really badly, that he's not a present father for 399 00:17:16,944 --> 00:17:20,104 Speaker 3: his son, that their relationship is really bad behind the scenes. 400 00:17:20,344 --> 00:17:22,944 Speaker 3: So he's using this album art obviously to kind of 401 00:17:22,984 --> 00:17:25,824 Speaker 3: be like, look at us, this beautiful family, and Hayley's 402 00:17:25,864 --> 00:17:29,104 Speaker 3: reposted it, but the line she chose to put under 403 00:17:29,144 --> 00:17:32,384 Speaker 3: it was, is it finally clocking to you fucking losers? 404 00:17:32,904 --> 00:17:36,104 Speaker 2: Gagged? Yeah, wow, Wow. 405 00:17:36,184 --> 00:17:37,904 Speaker 3: It's a strong choice. This is a thing about this 406 00:17:37,984 --> 00:17:40,184 Speaker 3: and trying to like sort of think about process it 407 00:17:40,224 --> 00:17:41,824 Speaker 3: over the weekend and be like, I know a lot 408 00:17:41,864 --> 00:17:43,824 Speaker 3: of people are just like loving her drama, and a 409 00:17:43,824 --> 00:17:45,544 Speaker 3: lot of people were also kind of thinking it was 410 00:17:45,544 --> 00:17:47,504 Speaker 3: so embarrassing, And I think I kind of sit somewhere 411 00:17:47,504 --> 00:17:49,984 Speaker 3: in the middle because part of me always thinks about 412 00:17:50,064 --> 00:17:54,744 Speaker 3: just how tormented that young woman is over this fandom. 413 00:17:54,784 --> 00:17:57,144 Speaker 3: Like you say, her fandom are like Justin Bieber's fandom 414 00:17:57,184 --> 00:18:00,104 Speaker 3: are adult women now, and that's factually true, but they 415 00:18:00,104 --> 00:18:02,384 Speaker 3: don't act like it a lot of the time. These 416 00:18:02,464 --> 00:18:05,544 Speaker 3: adult women are the ones, like sixteen year olds aren't 417 00:18:05,544 --> 00:18:07,784 Speaker 3: being like, oh my god, Selena and Justin Bieber, like 418 00:18:07,824 --> 00:18:10,664 Speaker 3: they don't care about that. That's like their grandparents love 419 00:18:10,744 --> 00:18:12,544 Speaker 3: story to them, you know what I mean. The people 420 00:18:12,544 --> 00:18:14,144 Speaker 3: who were in the fray of that are now in 421 00:18:14,184 --> 00:18:16,824 Speaker 3: their thirties, and it feels like they're the ones who 422 00:18:16,864 --> 00:18:19,464 Speaker 3: are typing all these hate comments to Halee Biber. They're 423 00:18:19,464 --> 00:18:22,024 Speaker 3: the ones waiting outside the met Gala and yelling Selena 424 00:18:22,144 --> 00:18:24,704 Speaker 3: when they walk through, like it's adult women doing it. 425 00:18:24,784 --> 00:18:26,824 Speaker 2: Do you know what's crazy? Though, she's had enough. 426 00:18:27,944 --> 00:18:30,744 Speaker 3: I always think of it for it. I always think 427 00:18:30,784 --> 00:18:32,984 Speaker 3: of that TikTok she put up ages ago now where 428 00:18:33,024 --> 00:18:35,304 Speaker 3: she was like, leave me alone. I don't do anything, 429 00:18:35,304 --> 00:18:37,544 Speaker 3: I don't say anything, just leave me alone. And that 430 00:18:37,624 --> 00:18:40,264 Speaker 3: went crazy viral, and it's interesting that she could have 431 00:18:40,304 --> 00:18:42,064 Speaker 3: just put that up to be this beautiful thing. So 432 00:18:42,184 --> 00:18:44,704 Speaker 3: she's like, it's a fucking clocking to you losers yet, 433 00:18:45,064 --> 00:18:46,984 Speaker 3: which is maybe a bit of a throwback to that 434 00:18:47,064 --> 00:18:50,064 Speaker 3: kind of infamous statement that Justin Bieber yelled at paparazzi 435 00:18:50,104 --> 00:18:52,184 Speaker 3: not that long ago, where he was like, get away 436 00:18:52,184 --> 00:18:54,184 Speaker 3: from me. Is it clocking to you what you're doing? 437 00:18:54,504 --> 00:18:56,344 Speaker 3: So some people think it's a play on that, but 438 00:18:56,544 --> 00:18:59,384 Speaker 3: I just think it's it's her trying to be like, ha, 439 00:18:59,704 --> 00:19:01,424 Speaker 3: look at this, like yeah. 440 00:19:01,264 --> 00:19:02,624 Speaker 2: I think, look, I get it. 441 00:19:02,824 --> 00:19:04,944 Speaker 1: I think if I was in that situation, not that 442 00:19:04,984 --> 00:19:08,224 Speaker 1: I ever would be, but it's a lot of pressure, like, yes, 443 00:19:08,224 --> 00:19:11,104 Speaker 1: they're wealthy, Yes, that's kind of what they signed up for. 444 00:19:11,504 --> 00:19:13,584 Speaker 1: That's fame, the price of fame, all of that stuff. 445 00:19:13,624 --> 00:19:14,264 Speaker 1: I understand. 446 00:19:14,344 --> 00:19:14,424 Speaker 3: That. 447 00:19:14,784 --> 00:19:17,464 Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, I can understand 448 00:19:17,544 --> 00:19:18,864 Speaker 2: what you have a child. 449 00:19:18,744 --> 00:19:21,824 Speaker 1: You're in a relationship. Can you imagine every single day 450 00:19:22,184 --> 00:19:25,264 Speaker 1: seeing multiple articles saying you're going to split up, your 451 00:19:25,304 --> 00:19:29,544 Speaker 1: husband's a drug addict, he's falling asleep, he's a horrible father, 452 00:19:30,024 --> 00:19:33,504 Speaker 1: he's going to rehab, he's got no money, he's broke everything. 453 00:19:33,584 --> 00:19:35,904 Speaker 1: You're the sugar, Like, can you imagine day I was 454 00:19:36,024 --> 00:19:38,304 Speaker 1: day after day I've day hearing that same thing. 455 00:19:38,744 --> 00:19:39,944 Speaker 2: You'd get fed up too. 456 00:19:40,024 --> 00:19:42,424 Speaker 3: Oh one hundred percent, and that Haley Babe's only twenty 457 00:19:42,424 --> 00:19:44,784 Speaker 3: eight years old, but I feel the exhaustion of life 458 00:19:44,984 --> 00:19:47,544 Speaker 3: from her coming through the screen. But what I kind 459 00:19:47,544 --> 00:19:50,744 Speaker 3: of find more interesting is like, and what's more indicative of, 460 00:19:50,784 --> 00:19:52,864 Speaker 3: like what their life is like behind the scenes is 461 00:19:52,904 --> 00:19:56,224 Speaker 3: not how they've dealt with their trauma recently, not how 462 00:19:56,264 --> 00:20:00,024 Speaker 3: they've reacted to accusations from people that Justin's work with, 463 00:20:00,064 --> 00:20:03,664 Speaker 3: that he's in this downward spiral, accusations around their money situation, 464 00:20:04,064 --> 00:20:07,224 Speaker 3: accusations around Selena Gomez. Like Still, what I think is 465 00:20:07,264 --> 00:20:10,304 Speaker 3: more telling is how they react publicly to their successes. 466 00:20:10,624 --> 00:20:13,504 Speaker 3: And I think it shows how kind of internal they 467 00:20:13,544 --> 00:20:16,024 Speaker 3: are behind the scenes because just think when Hailey Bieber 468 00:20:16,104 --> 00:20:19,144 Speaker 3: got her Vogue cover and what a huge win that is, 469 00:20:19,184 --> 00:20:21,824 Speaker 3: Like it's kind of the ultimate prestige. It's the ultimate 470 00:20:21,944 --> 00:20:25,384 Speaker 3: like nod from the industry that you're a tastemaker. And 471 00:20:25,664 --> 00:20:28,344 Speaker 3: instead of that being this big celebration, everyone was really 472 00:20:28,344 --> 00:20:31,344 Speaker 3: focused on Justin Bieber saying that he never thought his 473 00:20:31,344 --> 00:20:33,344 Speaker 3: wife would get a Vogue cover, and that blew up 474 00:20:33,344 --> 00:20:36,064 Speaker 3: and it became this really sad thing. And it's almost 475 00:20:36,144 --> 00:20:40,584 Speaker 3: like history repeated itself this weekend when Justin Bieber's very 476 00:20:40,584 --> 00:20:42,984 Speaker 3: long awaited next album came out, and that was this 477 00:20:43,064 --> 00:20:45,704 Speaker 3: huge thing and everyone should have been celebrating that. Instead 478 00:20:45,784 --> 00:20:49,424 Speaker 3: everyone's just talking about Hailey Bieber's posts saying is it 479 00:20:49,464 --> 00:20:52,304 Speaker 3: clocking to you fucking losers? And then once again, their 480 00:20:52,344 --> 00:20:54,944 Speaker 3: success becomes drama, becomes sad. 481 00:20:55,024 --> 00:20:58,064 Speaker 1: It's like every single time something positive happens to them, 482 00:20:58,144 --> 00:20:59,264 Speaker 1: it's marred by. 483 00:20:59,744 --> 00:21:00,624 Speaker 2: One of the nativity. 484 00:21:00,704 --> 00:21:02,824 Speaker 3: But it's one of them, yes, absolutely, And I think 485 00:21:02,864 --> 00:21:05,024 Speaker 3: it's just because I feel like they are so in 486 00:21:05,064 --> 00:21:07,944 Speaker 3: their heads about the negativity and what people in the 487 00:21:07,944 --> 00:21:10,064 Speaker 3: industry are saying, what their fans are saying, that even 488 00:21:10,104 --> 00:21:13,064 Speaker 3: when have good news, they can't share it without her 489 00:21:13,384 --> 00:21:15,544 Speaker 3: kind of like, look at us, we're doing great, or 490 00:21:15,584 --> 00:21:17,664 Speaker 3: look at us like we don't believe all the hatred. 491 00:21:17,664 --> 00:21:20,264 Speaker 2: You're right, it's very great. Take Laura Brodney, that's a 492 00:21:20,264 --> 00:21:21,744 Speaker 2: fantastic I like that one a lot. 493 00:21:21,824 --> 00:21:23,664 Speaker 3: So I just I would love for this couple who 494 00:21:23,744 --> 00:21:26,424 Speaker 3: I should be invested in, because I'm not like obsessed 495 00:21:26,424 --> 00:21:28,184 Speaker 3: with Haley Baber's like start, even though I think she's 496 00:21:28,224 --> 00:21:30,744 Speaker 3: like gorgeous and stuff, I'm not like obsessive in her camp. 497 00:21:30,824 --> 00:21:33,464 Speaker 3: I don't listen to Justin Bieber music. But because they're 498 00:21:33,624 --> 00:21:35,704 Speaker 3: like in the spotlight so much, and because they've talked 499 00:21:35,704 --> 00:21:38,064 Speaker 3: so much about the effect on them, I'm weirdly rooting 500 00:21:38,064 --> 00:21:40,104 Speaker 3: for them, being like, yeah, I'd love people to leave 501 00:21:40,104 --> 00:21:42,104 Speaker 3: them alone, but they're perpetuating the cycle. 502 00:21:42,224 --> 00:21:44,584 Speaker 2: They need to get out of their own way. Yeah, 503 00:21:44,624 --> 00:21:45,544 Speaker 2: maybe that's it. 504 00:21:46,104 --> 00:21:47,904 Speaker 3: My only thought to them is like, guys, next time 505 00:21:47,904 --> 00:21:50,104 Speaker 3: you have good news, just post it and be like, 506 00:21:50,104 --> 00:21:52,064 Speaker 3: look at this fun thing, and then put your phone down. 507 00:21:52,344 --> 00:21:53,744 Speaker 3: That's all I would say at them, and let the 508 00:21:53,784 --> 00:21:56,304 Speaker 3: new cycle pick up something good about you for once. 509 00:21:56,584 --> 00:21:58,304 Speaker 3: I feel like they need a pr advisor, and I'm 510 00:21:58,304 --> 00:21:59,864 Speaker 3: not saying it has to be me. But maybe it 511 00:21:59,864 --> 00:22:02,704 Speaker 3: should be. But someone, Yeah, I'll add that to my 512 00:22:02,744 --> 00:22:04,064 Speaker 3: list of things I'm going to do this year. 513 00:22:04,384 --> 00:22:05,944 Speaker 2: I love that take so much. 514 00:22:07,984 --> 00:22:11,104 Speaker 3: So Taylor Loren's very well known writing in the industry. 515 00:22:11,224 --> 00:22:14,344 Speaker 3: She's having a slightly bumpy weekend because and I realize 516 00:22:14,384 --> 00:22:16,984 Speaker 3: what I'm about to say is so online. But just 517 00:22:16,984 --> 00:22:18,744 Speaker 3: stay with me for a second. We'll explain to you 518 00:22:18,784 --> 00:22:21,664 Speaker 3: what's happening here. So Bow and Yang and Matt Rodgers 519 00:22:21,904 --> 00:22:24,544 Speaker 3: co hosts a very funny podcast, if anyone hasn't listened 520 00:22:24,584 --> 00:22:28,104 Speaker 3: to it, called Lost Culturistas, and they have in the 521 00:22:28,184 --> 00:22:31,024 Speaker 3: last couple of days unveiled the nominations for their annual 522 00:22:31,224 --> 00:22:34,864 Speaker 3: cultural awards, Lost Culture East is Cultural Awards. Thank you 523 00:22:34,904 --> 00:22:38,304 Speaker 3: for jumping in there, you Spanish Elbay, who everyone knows 524 00:22:38,344 --> 00:22:41,064 Speaker 3: my pronunciation is just bad in general. So one of 525 00:22:41,104 --> 00:22:43,224 Speaker 3: the awards that they've got in there is that Amelia 526 00:22:43,264 --> 00:22:46,584 Speaker 3: de Moldenburg, the founder and host of the huge viral 527 00:22:46,984 --> 00:22:50,784 Speaker 3: since YouTube interview show Chicken Shop Date, is nominated for 528 00:22:51,104 --> 00:22:55,184 Speaker 3: the Pop Crave Award for Excellence in Journalism. So before 529 00:22:55,224 --> 00:22:57,264 Speaker 3: we delve into what that means, we should look at 530 00:22:57,264 --> 00:22:59,744 Speaker 3: this tweet from Taylor that has now gone a bit viral, 531 00:23:00,024 --> 00:23:02,904 Speaker 3: and she said, I love de Moldenburg and I'm extremely 532 00:23:02,944 --> 00:23:05,864 Speaker 3: anti gatekeeping when it comes to journalism. But this is 533 00:23:05,904 --> 00:23:09,104 Speaker 3: straight up not journalism, which has got a whole backlash. 534 00:23:09,144 --> 00:23:12,504 Speaker 3: And it's not in defense of to Moldenburg. It's people saying, 535 00:23:12,584 --> 00:23:16,424 Speaker 3: does this cultural journalist not understand that these cultural awards 536 00:23:16,504 --> 00:23:19,504 Speaker 3: are meant to be a joke? And the pop Crave 537 00:23:19,544 --> 00:23:22,624 Speaker 3: Award for Excellence and Journalism is in itself a joke. 538 00:23:22,664 --> 00:23:24,144 Speaker 3: If you don't know what pop Crave is, how do 539 00:23:24,184 --> 00:23:28,504 Speaker 3: I even explain pop Crave? Pop Crave is like my 540 00:23:28,504 --> 00:23:30,584 Speaker 3: whole life is realarned at this moment. I can't explain it. 541 00:23:30,744 --> 00:23:34,144 Speaker 3: It's an online entertainment pop culture platform. It kind of 542 00:23:34,224 --> 00:23:37,304 Speaker 3: like really rose to huge prominence many years ago. But 543 00:23:37,344 --> 00:23:40,024 Speaker 3: it's also really well known for not having like faces 544 00:23:40,024 --> 00:23:42,344 Speaker 3: of journalists attached to it, and also for just coming 545 00:23:42,384 --> 00:23:43,344 Speaker 3: out and just saying. 546 00:23:43,064 --> 00:23:44,944 Speaker 2: Wild shit, daily, mad stuff. 547 00:23:44,984 --> 00:23:47,184 Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, but almost worse than that, because it has 548 00:23:47,184 --> 00:23:49,224 Speaker 3: sometimes like a bit of a fantasy element to it 549 00:23:49,424 --> 00:23:51,344 Speaker 3: in terms of it would just be like this happened, 550 00:23:51,384 --> 00:23:53,104 Speaker 3: Everyone's like, no it didn't. In pop Crave will be like, 551 00:23:53,224 --> 00:23:55,224 Speaker 3: yeah it did, and we don't care to fact check. 552 00:23:55,304 --> 00:23:55,624 Speaker 2: Yeah. 553 00:23:55,664 --> 00:23:58,384 Speaker 3: My favorite Pop Crave memory is when they called the 554 00:23:58,464 --> 00:24:02,664 Speaker 3: election the first time Donald Trump was made president and 555 00:24:02,744 --> 00:24:04,424 Speaker 3: everyone was like worried it was gonna happen. They're like, 556 00:24:04,424 --> 00:24:06,664 Speaker 3: we're just reporting as facts. And then that took off 557 00:24:07,064 --> 00:24:09,264 Speaker 3: that he had won the election before he officially had, 558 00:24:09,264 --> 00:24:10,944 Speaker 3: and people were trying to trace it back, and then 559 00:24:10,984 --> 00:24:13,504 Speaker 3: someone's like, who actually said this, and someone's like it 560 00:24:13,544 --> 00:24:15,984 Speaker 3: was pop Crave, Like they called the election and the 561 00:24:16,024 --> 00:24:18,344 Speaker 3: whole world reportered of it. They had very immense power, 562 00:24:18,784 --> 00:24:20,464 Speaker 3: but they're not a proper news outlet, which is the 563 00:24:20,504 --> 00:24:23,944 Speaker 3: whole point of Amelia Bean Yeah and nominated in that section. 564 00:24:24,184 --> 00:24:27,384 Speaker 1: The funny thing is this poor girl has kind of 565 00:24:27,424 --> 00:24:30,784 Speaker 1: realized her mistake then gone back and gone, I made 566 00:24:30,784 --> 00:24:31,304 Speaker 1: a booboo. 567 00:24:31,664 --> 00:24:31,824 Speaker 3: Yeah. 568 00:24:31,904 --> 00:24:34,224 Speaker 2: Mictually, it's almost axcletely what she says. She's like, I 569 00:24:34,264 --> 00:24:35,544 Speaker 2: really screwed up here. 570 00:24:35,544 --> 00:24:37,184 Speaker 3: I know. And then now people are saying that they 571 00:24:37,184 --> 00:24:39,344 Speaker 3: should enter like an award in her name for like 572 00:24:39,424 --> 00:24:41,824 Speaker 3: jumping to the wrong conclusion. So even though this is 573 00:24:41,824 --> 00:24:44,104 Speaker 3: blown up to be kind of a huge online storm, 574 00:24:44,144 --> 00:24:46,144 Speaker 3: like at the time of recording, I don't think Amelia 575 00:24:46,184 --> 00:24:48,584 Speaker 3: has responded, but like some people have jumped into the frame. 576 00:24:48,744 --> 00:24:53,864 Speaker 1: Well, Bowen did actually respond, So Taylor on x someone 577 00:24:54,144 --> 00:24:57,064 Speaker 1: imagine being upset about a lost culturalist his cultural award. 578 00:24:57,744 --> 00:24:59,984 Speaker 1: Then she responds, it happened to me. I did a 579 00:24:59,984 --> 00:25:03,024 Speaker 1: bad tweet and then right it was all worth it, 580 00:25:03,504 --> 00:25:07,184 Speaker 1: and she puts up a screenshot from Bowen Yang saying, Diva, 581 00:25:07,344 --> 00:25:10,024 Speaker 1: I love you. You're of course nominated next year. 582 00:25:10,504 --> 00:25:13,624 Speaker 3: That's so nice. I freaking love bow and Yang only because, like, 583 00:25:13,664 --> 00:25:15,184 Speaker 3: I know, we're making light of it, but I can't 584 00:25:15,224 --> 00:25:18,384 Speaker 3: stress enough, guys, how much this woman was getting absolutely 585 00:25:18,784 --> 00:25:22,904 Speaker 3: roasted and pulled over the coals by so many people 586 00:25:22,944 --> 00:25:25,424 Speaker 3: because she just kind of like tapped the wrong corner 587 00:25:25,464 --> 00:25:27,704 Speaker 3: of the internet and they so fired up about it. 588 00:25:27,744 --> 00:25:30,904 Speaker 1: And the thing is because Chicken Shop Date is that 589 00:25:31,184 --> 00:25:35,384 Speaker 1: it's so satirical, it's so dry. It is like that 590 00:25:35,544 --> 00:25:38,664 Speaker 1: is her vibe, Like she knows she's not like a 591 00:25:38,864 --> 00:25:41,944 Speaker 1: quote unquote real journalist. She's having fun. She plays it 592 00:25:41,984 --> 00:25:44,904 Speaker 1: by comedy. It's like between two ferns, but like a 593 00:25:44,944 --> 00:25:45,904 Speaker 1: little bit more serious. 594 00:25:46,144 --> 00:25:46,384 Speaker 3: Yeah. 595 00:25:46,424 --> 00:25:48,824 Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have all seen it, but I 596 00:25:48,864 --> 00:25:51,024 Speaker 1: feel like she just kind of had a brain fart. 597 00:25:51,264 --> 00:25:53,384 Speaker 3: This is why I think this is interesting. I think 598 00:25:53,424 --> 00:25:56,864 Speaker 3: that this was just the straw that broke the camels 599 00:25:56,904 --> 00:26:00,304 Speaker 3: back to a bigger problem that so many entertainment journalists 600 00:26:00,344 --> 00:26:02,824 Speaker 3: are having. And she saw that and it just kind 601 00:26:02,824 --> 00:26:04,704 Speaker 3: of and again I would almost do the same thing 602 00:26:04,704 --> 00:26:06,344 Speaker 3: as well. This is why I like, when I saw this, 603 00:26:06,784 --> 00:26:08,824 Speaker 3: I was so on her side because I was like, 604 00:26:08,864 --> 00:26:12,024 Speaker 3: I just can see exactly how this happened. That she 605 00:26:12,224 --> 00:26:14,824 Speaker 3: saw that, and it just made all this resentment that 606 00:26:14,864 --> 00:26:17,384 Speaker 3: she's been feeling about how her industry is working at 607 00:26:17,424 --> 00:26:19,864 Speaker 3: the moment bubble up. And she lashed out the wrong 608 00:26:19,904 --> 00:26:22,104 Speaker 3: thing to make a point that she still stands by 609 00:26:22,504 --> 00:26:26,344 Speaker 3: because she was saying that Amelia de Mornberg is not 610 00:26:26,344 --> 00:26:28,784 Speaker 3: a journalist because she's an online personality. And yes, this 611 00:26:28,864 --> 00:26:30,824 Speaker 3: is a joke award, but the thing is like a 612 00:26:30,864 --> 00:26:33,704 Speaker 3: million De Mornenburg is still held up as an entertainment 613 00:26:33,744 --> 00:26:36,464 Speaker 3: journalist in a proper sense, in a lot of respect 614 00:26:36,584 --> 00:26:39,904 Speaker 3: in terms of that she is often put into that category. 615 00:26:40,224 --> 00:26:43,344 Speaker 3: She gets access to talent for interview opportunities over like 616 00:26:43,424 --> 00:26:45,984 Speaker 3: more traditional journalists. She gets a spot on the red 617 00:26:46,024 --> 00:26:48,824 Speaker 3: carpets like big award shows including the Oscars, to interview 618 00:26:48,824 --> 00:26:51,184 Speaker 3: the talent. So even though she calls herself not a 619 00:26:51,184 --> 00:26:53,584 Speaker 3: proper journalist, she's playing in the journalism. 620 00:26:53,224 --> 00:26:55,304 Speaker 1: Space well, and she's getting I think the biggest thing 621 00:26:55,344 --> 00:26:57,744 Speaker 1: there is she's getting access and it's in the sort 622 00:26:57,744 --> 00:26:59,544 Speaker 1: of the same vein as like an Alex Cooper call 623 00:26:59,584 --> 00:27:03,024 Speaker 1: It Daddy. So when Caller Daddy started, she wasn't interviewing celebrities. 624 00:27:03,064 --> 00:27:04,664 Speaker 2: That was never her show. 625 00:27:05,104 --> 00:27:08,344 Speaker 1: Her show developed into kind of like a sit down 626 00:27:08,344 --> 00:27:11,224 Speaker 1: interview with celebrities. And a lot of the criticism with 627 00:27:11,264 --> 00:27:13,944 Speaker 1: Alex Cooper, I actually think she's doing an okay job. 628 00:27:14,304 --> 00:27:16,464 Speaker 1: You can tell she's quite green, but I do think 629 00:27:16,504 --> 00:27:19,264 Speaker 1: she's actually doing I don't think she's doing terribly honest, 630 00:27:19,984 --> 00:27:23,264 Speaker 1: but a lot of the criticism around hers is that 631 00:27:23,304 --> 00:27:26,984 Speaker 1: she doesn't know how to interview. So and I think 632 00:27:27,024 --> 00:27:31,024 Speaker 1: you and I can have some criticisms about it, but 633 00:27:31,224 --> 00:27:35,224 Speaker 1: I think what's happened is that the space of entertainment 634 00:27:35,304 --> 00:27:41,024 Speaker 1: journalism has been taken over a lot by like influences 635 00:27:41,064 --> 00:27:45,144 Speaker 1: and personalities, and what happens is, particularly on red carpets, 636 00:27:45,024 --> 00:27:48,024 Speaker 1: I say this more most on red carpets, you see 637 00:27:48,024 --> 00:27:52,944 Speaker 1: that inexperience come through and it becomes very uncomfortable, like 638 00:27:53,024 --> 00:27:54,984 Speaker 1: that moment where you know, the Megan thee. 639 00:27:54,904 --> 00:27:58,144 Speaker 2: Stallion with Hannah Berner. Yeah, so she. 640 00:27:58,224 --> 00:28:02,664 Speaker 1: When she made that kind of passive aggressive comment. 641 00:28:03,424 --> 00:28:06,144 Speaker 2: That might tell aggression to Megan the Stallion. 642 00:28:06,104 --> 00:28:07,864 Speaker 3: She said her music makes me want to fight and 643 00:28:07,904 --> 00:28:10,824 Speaker 3: me and was like, that's not the big takeaway, and 644 00:28:10,864 --> 00:28:13,944 Speaker 3: then there was this whole uproar that Hannah Berner had 645 00:28:14,384 --> 00:28:17,424 Speaker 3: done a microaggression against her. Hannah Burner then apologized and 646 00:28:17,464 --> 00:28:18,704 Speaker 3: it kind of all went away. But it was just 647 00:28:18,744 --> 00:28:20,784 Speaker 3: one of those things where it was like just another 648 00:28:20,904 --> 00:28:24,264 Speaker 3: kind of case of this like influencer verse reporter, first 649 00:28:24,264 --> 00:28:25,664 Speaker 3: comedian kind of thing happening. 650 00:28:25,744 --> 00:28:28,824 Speaker 2: And it's because it shows their inexperience when they're on 651 00:28:28,824 --> 00:28:29,584 Speaker 2: a carpet like this. 652 00:28:29,944 --> 00:28:31,544 Speaker 1: I don't want to get too serious about this, but 653 00:28:31,584 --> 00:28:34,784 Speaker 1: I understand that, you know, she Taylor just kind of 654 00:28:35,144 --> 00:28:36,744 Speaker 1: probably a bit of a knee jerk reaction. 655 00:28:37,384 --> 00:28:39,264 Speaker 3: It was a bit of like she said, what everyone 656 00:28:39,304 --> 00:28:41,144 Speaker 3: in the entertainment industry is thinking, is what I'm going 657 00:28:41,184 --> 00:28:42,864 Speaker 3: to go out on the leman say. She just said 658 00:28:42,904 --> 00:28:44,944 Speaker 3: it in the wrong place. But I think her point 659 00:28:45,024 --> 00:28:47,184 Speaker 3: is like quite a valid one, and that's the interesting thing. 660 00:28:47,224 --> 00:28:49,624 Speaker 3: I think that's what a lot of the noise missed. 661 00:28:49,824 --> 00:28:52,584 Speaker 3: One thing is like Amelia I don't think of The 662 00:28:52,624 --> 00:28:55,304 Speaker 3: thing is she doesn't call herself a journalist, but she 663 00:28:55,384 --> 00:28:57,904 Speaker 3: is more of an online personality. And I think the 664 00:28:58,024 --> 00:29:00,784 Speaker 3: thing that she doesn't get enough kudos for is like 665 00:29:00,824 --> 00:29:04,144 Speaker 3: how smart she is of building that brand, and like, 666 00:29:04,144 --> 00:29:06,664 Speaker 3: she's obviously incredible in front of the camera, but it's 667 00:29:06,664 --> 00:29:08,624 Speaker 3: more so that she's been plugging away at Chicken Shop 668 00:29:08,704 --> 00:29:11,744 Speaker 3: Date for over ten years. She does all the planning, 669 00:29:12,064 --> 00:29:14,944 Speaker 3: she does all the editing. The fact that she records 670 00:29:14,944 --> 00:29:16,864 Speaker 3: for over an hour and then releases a ten minute 671 00:29:16,904 --> 00:29:19,584 Speaker 3: video is a level of creative control that I would 672 00:29:19,624 --> 00:29:21,544 Speaker 3: only aspire to have because I'd be like, we need 673 00:29:21,544 --> 00:29:24,064 Speaker 3: the full hour. But she's so clever at knowing how 674 00:29:24,104 --> 00:29:26,984 Speaker 3: it works. And it's interesting during that line to Alex Cooper, 675 00:29:26,984 --> 00:29:29,384 Speaker 3: because I think she gets a lot of kudos for 676 00:29:29,464 --> 00:29:33,144 Speaker 3: how incredible and smart and business minded she is, whereas 677 00:29:33,144 --> 00:29:36,424 Speaker 3: I think the more you delve into her background, her 678 00:29:36,624 --> 00:29:40,024 Speaker 3: personality on screen overrules that, especially recently with all the 679 00:29:40,064 --> 00:29:42,224 Speaker 3: call her daddy stuff that's come out in terms of 680 00:29:42,304 --> 00:29:44,824 Speaker 3: like she did a long form interview the other day 681 00:29:44,944 --> 00:29:47,664 Speaker 3: with her childhood best friend who has only been confirmed 682 00:29:47,664 --> 00:29:49,624 Speaker 3: that after many years as the producer of her show, 683 00:29:49,944 --> 00:29:52,624 Speaker 3: she did the call her Alex documentary, and I guess 684 00:29:52,664 --> 00:29:54,144 Speaker 3: I kind of knew this in my head, but like 685 00:29:54,224 --> 00:29:56,424 Speaker 3: the team of people, the fact that she has a 686 00:29:56,464 --> 00:30:00,504 Speaker 3: whole team of producers and researchers who prep her interviews 687 00:30:00,544 --> 00:30:03,464 Speaker 3: for her, I feel needs to be looked at a 688 00:30:03,464 --> 00:30:04,104 Speaker 3: little bit here. 689 00:30:04,304 --> 00:30:05,944 Speaker 2: Look, I'm not saying she's amazed. 690 00:30:05,984 --> 00:30:08,584 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I think she's doing well, considering 691 00:30:08,664 --> 00:30:10,304 Speaker 1: she is not trained in that area. 692 00:30:10,424 --> 00:30:12,344 Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Like, that's what I'm saying. 693 00:30:12,384 --> 00:30:15,104 Speaker 3: I don't mean this to sound bad, but when I 694 00:30:15,184 --> 00:30:17,864 Speaker 3: heard how many people she was writing her questions for her, 695 00:30:17,864 --> 00:30:19,984 Speaker 3: because up until then, I'm okay, I didn't realize that, yes, 696 00:30:20,184 --> 00:30:22,224 Speaker 3: she's not Yeah, this is what I thought too. Up 697 00:30:22,264 --> 00:30:24,544 Speaker 3: until then, I don't know why, but she had put 698 00:30:24,544 --> 00:30:27,424 Speaker 3: herself out there as this, like, you know, the mastermind 699 00:30:27,464 --> 00:30:29,584 Speaker 3: behind her business. And I quite believe that was true 700 00:30:29,624 --> 00:30:31,504 Speaker 3: because I know that when she started to call her daddy, 701 00:30:31,544 --> 00:30:33,544 Speaker 3: she was doing all the editing. So I guess I 702 00:30:33,664 --> 00:30:35,744 Speaker 3: was thinking, like, oh, considering the work she has to 703 00:30:35,784 --> 00:30:37,624 Speaker 3: do behind the scenes and the fact that she's here, 704 00:30:38,104 --> 00:30:40,904 Speaker 3: that's quite impressive. And now when I found out recently 705 00:30:41,144 --> 00:30:44,184 Speaker 3: how many people she has researching, writing the questions, doing 706 00:30:44,184 --> 00:30:46,864 Speaker 3: all that stuff, And maybe that's jealousy from me being 707 00:30:46,904 --> 00:30:48,184 Speaker 3: like I wish I had someone to do that for 708 00:30:48,224 --> 00:30:50,384 Speaker 3: my interviews instead of me like freaking out at nighttime 709 00:30:50,424 --> 00:30:52,704 Speaker 3: by myself. But then when I realized the big team 710 00:30:52,784 --> 00:30:55,024 Speaker 3: she had behind her, I was like, Oh, you're here, 711 00:30:55,104 --> 00:30:57,584 Speaker 3: But then maybe with that many people behind you, you should 712 00:30:57,624 --> 00:30:58,784 Speaker 3: be up here, do you know what I mean? Like, 713 00:30:58,824 --> 00:31:01,344 Speaker 3: it's one of those things. And she's not a one 714 00:31:01,344 --> 00:31:04,464 Speaker 3: woman band. She's part of an empire that she runs. 715 00:31:04,544 --> 00:31:06,184 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that to be critical of her. I 716 00:31:06,184 --> 00:31:08,184 Speaker 3: do think in many cases she is a good interview 717 00:31:08,264 --> 00:31:10,344 Speaker 3: and she's successful, and I'm like, I listened to a podcast. 718 00:31:10,424 --> 00:31:12,224 Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually quite enjoyed. 719 00:31:12,584 --> 00:31:14,744 Speaker 3: It's just this interesting kind of line that now we're 720 00:31:14,784 --> 00:31:17,144 Speaker 3: going through and we're being like, who's a journalist and 721 00:31:17,144 --> 00:31:19,224 Speaker 3: who's not, who's doing their own work and who's not. 722 00:31:19,304 --> 00:31:20,504 Speaker 3: It's hard to because you don't want to. You don't 723 00:31:20,504 --> 00:31:21,744 Speaker 3: want to get into this thing where you're sort of 724 00:31:21,744 --> 00:31:24,104 Speaker 3: having to, like everyone's got to pass some certain test. 725 00:31:24,224 --> 00:31:26,864 Speaker 3: But as the muddy of the waters get yeah, and. 726 00:31:27,104 --> 00:31:28,984 Speaker 1: I think that's really interesting. When Taylor was like, I 727 00:31:29,024 --> 00:31:31,464 Speaker 1: don't want to gatekeep journalism, I think that's that's a 728 00:31:31,504 --> 00:31:33,384 Speaker 1: really big part of it. We can start having like 729 00:31:33,424 --> 00:31:36,904 Speaker 1: a very in depth conversation about journalism and integrity and 730 00:31:37,264 --> 00:31:39,744 Speaker 1: like who deserve We didn't do that for hours, but 731 00:31:39,824 --> 00:31:41,984 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone else wants to listen to that podcast. 732 00:31:42,064 --> 00:31:44,184 Speaker 1: So what I will do before we finish, because I 733 00:31:44,184 --> 00:31:45,904 Speaker 1: feel like we've got quite deep, I do want to 734 00:31:45,944 --> 00:31:47,584 Speaker 1: like lighten this back up a little bit. 735 00:31:47,904 --> 00:31:48,224 Speaker 3: Please do? 736 00:31:48,504 --> 00:31:51,344 Speaker 2: Can I give you some more of the categories? 737 00:31:51,584 --> 00:31:52,224 Speaker 3: Yes? Please do? 738 00:31:52,424 --> 00:31:55,224 Speaker 1: Okay, just to show you how much Taylor should have 739 00:31:55,224 --> 00:31:57,944 Speaker 1: probably realized that this was a complete joke. So these 740 00:31:57,944 --> 00:32:00,864 Speaker 1: awards are actually airing on August the fifth. I think 741 00:32:00,864 --> 00:32:02,984 Speaker 1: it's going on Peacock. I don't know where that will 742 00:32:03,024 --> 00:32:06,064 Speaker 1: be in Australia. I'm sure because we will get that. 743 00:32:06,104 --> 00:32:09,064 Speaker 1: We will definitely be watching it. But okay, one of 744 00:32:09,064 --> 00:32:13,304 Speaker 1: my favorite categories is kindest Greeting and the number. 745 00:32:13,104 --> 00:32:16,864 Speaker 2: Days are stop ah, oh my god, oh you're here. 746 00:32:16,944 --> 00:32:20,104 Speaker 1: Then I won't leave number three. You just got off 747 00:32:20,144 --> 00:32:21,944 Speaker 1: a point. I refuse to believe that because you look 748 00:32:22,024 --> 00:32:27,664 Speaker 1: so amazing. Next one Okay, shirt the last one we've 749 00:32:27,664 --> 00:32:30,504 Speaker 1: met several times, and I remember love Lover. 750 00:32:30,704 --> 00:32:34,144 Speaker 2: It's got great category, one of my favorites. Honestly, this 751 00:32:34,224 --> 00:32:36,864 Speaker 2: one's pretty good. Most iconic building. 752 00:32:36,664 --> 00:32:38,424 Speaker 3: Or structure so important. 753 00:32:39,104 --> 00:32:44,784 Speaker 1: That's just the best lunch, worst sticky feeling, jolly redch 754 00:32:44,864 --> 00:32:48,744 Speaker 1: on hand to hate that so funny Hypochondriac Award for illness. 755 00:32:48,744 --> 00:32:49,944 Speaker 2: We think we have this time. 756 00:32:50,704 --> 00:32:51,904 Speaker 3: I really relate to that one. 757 00:32:52,104 --> 00:32:56,424 Speaker 2: This is so good for you. One norovirus, two fungal infection, 758 00:32:56,544 --> 00:33:00,544 Speaker 2: staff infection. Three depression that apparently requires ketemy. The way 759 00:33:00,584 --> 00:33:06,464 Speaker 2: she's I think I'm hilarious. Okay, strap again. Strap is 760 00:33:06,504 --> 00:33:08,024 Speaker 2: like like throat infection. 761 00:33:08,184 --> 00:33:11,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, basically me for the last this is not 762 00:33:11,624 --> 00:33:13,184 Speaker 1: a sickness, but my foot is pregnant. 763 00:33:13,584 --> 00:33:17,744 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I could read these all day. There there's 764 00:33:17,744 --> 00:33:19,344 Speaker 2: more entertaining ones in there as well. 765 00:33:19,344 --> 00:33:21,984 Speaker 1: There are, but I have been giggling to myself for 766 00:33:22,024 --> 00:33:24,384 Speaker 1: the last hour reading these nominations. 767 00:33:24,624 --> 00:33:25,984 Speaker 2: We're gonna put them in the show notes. 768 00:33:25,984 --> 00:33:27,704 Speaker 1: We'll put all the nominates the show so you guys 769 00:33:27,744 --> 00:33:30,304 Speaker 1: can go have a look and giggle at your heart's content. 770 00:33:30,424 --> 00:33:33,024 Speaker 2: But it's a lot of fun. So poor Taylor has 771 00:33:33,144 --> 00:33:33,384 Speaker 2: made a. 772 00:33:33,384 --> 00:33:35,904 Speaker 1: Bit of a boo boo's but we can forgive her 773 00:33:35,944 --> 00:33:36,344 Speaker 1: at least. 774 00:33:36,344 --> 00:33:38,504 Speaker 3: This is the kind of internet storm that passes over 775 00:33:38,784 --> 00:33:41,864 Speaker 3: so quickly that these people won't be talking about this tomorrow, 776 00:33:41,864 --> 00:33:43,904 Speaker 3: but she'll remember and she'll wake up at night time 777 00:33:43,904 --> 00:33:44,624 Speaker 3: to think about this. 778 00:33:44,864 --> 00:33:48,624 Speaker 1: Bowen retweeted, Bowen like reached out to her. I'd be 779 00:33:48,664 --> 00:33:51,464 Speaker 1: happy to cop all that flat. Don't want Bowen yang to. 780 00:33:52,984 --> 00:33:54,624 Speaker 3: He's the only one who really could have come in 781 00:33:54,624 --> 00:33:56,944 Speaker 3: and smooth over once. He said that it's like it's 782 00:33:56,944 --> 00:33:58,984 Speaker 3: like a tidal way was coming for her and he 783 00:33:59,064 --> 00:34:00,504 Speaker 3: stood in front of it, and then the wave just 784 00:34:00,544 --> 00:34:04,144 Speaker 3: went down again. Yeah, exactly. Bless that man and his 785 00:34:04,224 --> 00:34:06,704 Speaker 3: internet power. Well, thank you so much for listening to 786 00:34:06,704 --> 00:34:08,704 Speaker 3: The Spill today, And if you're more of the Spill, 787 00:34:08,784 --> 00:34:11,784 Speaker 3: don't forget our extra show. Morning Tea drops into your 788 00:34:11,824 --> 00:34:14,424 Speaker 3: feed Monday to Thursday at eight am. It's hosted by 789 00:34:14,424 --> 00:34:17,104 Speaker 3: Ash London and she brings you all the headlines that 790 00:34:17,144 --> 00:34:19,624 Speaker 3: have come out overnight. 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