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Speaker 1: You're listening to a mom with Mere podcast.

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Speaker 2: I have some news for all the godmothers out there.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a few godfathers too.

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Speaker 1: And all the anties or the out louder anties exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Of my twins, I am nearly seventeen weeks and I

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Speaker 2: had been waiting to get the other gender of the

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Speaker 2: child right. This is something we have a lot of

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Speaker 2: us have learned together, is that when you try and

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Speaker 2: find out the gender of your twins, they can tell

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Speaker 2: you that there's a boy chromosome hanging out, but they

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Speaker 2: can't tell you if they're both boys, or if there's

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Speaker 2: one boy, or that's going on. But motherly intuition here,

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Speaker 2: I was like, guys, I don't need the test. It's

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Speaker 2: two boys. I'm having identical boys.

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Speaker 1: You've been saying that since the get.

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Speaker 2: Goes exactly, I've never been more sure of anything. I

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Speaker 2: told Luna, I said, your brothers are on their way.

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Speaker 2: I have just been so attached to that as a fact.

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Speaker 2: I knew I had this upcoming appointment and I was

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Speaker 2: getting a scan, and I was like, they can probably

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Speaker 2: a couple of nights before, I have this really vivid

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Speaker 2: dream that there's a little boy who's identical to Luca,

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Speaker 2: who looks like Matilda, like Claire's daughter. I woke up

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Speaker 2: had that dream. I must be my subconscious hedging my

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Speaker 2: bets a bit going. It still could be a girl

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Speaker 2: on a boy anyway. I go to Disappointment and he

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Speaker 2: starts with twin A. Who's a lower twin?

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Speaker 1: Is this the official language?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So when they're scanning them, they're like, twin A, twin B. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and twin should we read other thing into who gets

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Speaker 2: Day win A is the one who's looking like they're

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Speaker 2: going to be the first twin to come out because

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Speaker 2: Although I wonder with a quod question, Holly with a

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Speaker 2: can get mixed up? Anyway, So twin A, we got

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Speaker 2: a little penis, and I'm like, there.

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Speaker 1: We go, big tick, there's a penis inside.

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Speaker 2: There's a penis inside me. I have one penis and

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Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, now we're going to go to

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Speaker 2: a penis. And my obstetution was like that is a girl,

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Speaker 2: which means I am having girl boy twins, which means

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Speaker 2: they are not identical, which means that everything makes less.

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Speaker 1: Sense, even less sense, even less sense. So when you're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've become quite obsessed with boy girl twins now.

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Speaker 2: And everyone's like, oh, thank god. It was going to

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Speaker 2: what weird? Identical?

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Speaker 1: That is so funny. So the fact that they're fraternal, yes,

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Speaker 1: that means what This isn't genetics, this is what does it?

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Speaker 2: This means two separate eggs fertilized at different times or whatever.

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Speaker 2: They each have their own placenter.

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Speaker 3: So identical is one egg that's split ye into two.

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Speaker 2: But The thing is when they have their own placenta

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Speaker 1: Like guys.

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Speaker 2: I don't need the tests.

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Speaker 1: I have my intuition.

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Speaker 2: And this is why we have another stupid question.

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Speaker 1: A middle name. Yeah, her name Leriens all the hurtles out. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I love it for you and your family.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited. Welcome to Mamma Mia out loud. It's

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Speaker 1: what women are actually talking about on Friday, the seventh

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Speaker 1: of November.

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Speaker 3: And I am Holly Wayne Wright, I'm am Vernon.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 1: And on our agenda for today. Charlie makes a living

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Speaker 1: out of her half million YouTube subscribers. She's traveling the

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Speaker 1: time she can't do that from her anymore because she's

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Ozzie families leaving the country because of

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Speaker 1: the social media ban.

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Speaker 3: Plus, there are two new types of rituals. They're having

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Speaker 2: Upset peak And why don't married people talk about sex anymore?

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Speaker 2: Does it feel immature? Is it too intimate? Writer Natasha

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Speaker 2: shol has some theories married sex needs a rebrand. This

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Speaker 2: is according to writer Natasha Schol, who wrote for The

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Speaker 2: Guardian last week and pose the question sex talk isn't

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Speaker 2: in long term relationships dissect lots of intimate, private personal things.

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Speaker 2: If you think about in laws, work, parenting, health, money,

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Speaker 2: one hundred. Schol says even the term married sex makes

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Speaker 2: her WinCE. But she'd much rather hear about you getting

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Speaker 2: Why do you think this is?

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Speaker 3: I was thinking about this because my friendship group is

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Speaker 3: If I'm dating a guy and I know it's going

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Speaker 3: I think because when it comes to sex in relationships,

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Speaker 3: weird sex thing he did when he was seventeen. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I don't like the idea of that.

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Speaker 1: families making their decisions based on that.

436
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Speaker 2: I wondered this too. My first instinct with this was

437
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Speaker 2: wouldn't it be great if Aali's account could be frozen

438
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Speaker 2: for a few years, Because anyone who has grown a

439
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Speaker 2: social media account knows that a lot of hours and

440
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Speaker 2: a lot of work have gone into that didn't happen

441
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Speaker 2: overnight to get your half a million followers, and that's

442
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Speaker 2: quite substantial, and it's lucrative, right, And part of me

443
00:21:23,834 --> 00:21:26,234
Speaker 2: is like, what's the rush? Let's just pause it now,

444
00:21:26,474 --> 00:21:28,874
Speaker 2: But then she lose followers. Well, if you were to

445
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Speaker 2: deactivate an account, temporarily freeze it, keep all the followers there,

446
00:21:33,554 --> 00:21:36,074
Speaker 2: and then can she log back on her sixteenth birthday?

447
00:21:36,114 --> 00:21:37,874
Speaker 2: That was what I was thinking. But the government has

448
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Speaker 2: said we can't promise that we can't like in terms

449
00:21:41,194 --> 00:21:43,634
Speaker 2: of the tech. And this is what I keep coming

450
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Speaker 2: back to with this social media band is that it

451
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Speaker 2: is a as are just about all most laws utilitarian.

452
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Speaker 2: This is about the greatest good for the greatest amount

453
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Speaker 2: of people, and there are going to be some people

454
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Speaker 2: who this is not ideal for The earning capacity of

455
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Speaker 2: a fourteen year old is not something that I think

456
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Speaker 2: competes with the dangers and the damage that social media

457
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Speaker 2: is doing. Because I was even thinking, I went back,

458
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Speaker 2: I went how long she's been doing this? And went

459
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Speaker 2: back about three years, so at about eleven she started

460
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Speaker 2: the account and all power to you do you? But

461
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Speaker 2: she wouldn't be allowed to work in a cafe at

462
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Speaker 2: eleven and make money. Of course, your point is valid,

463
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Speaker 2: holy that she could be in an advertisement, she could

464
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Speaker 2: be could.

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Speaker 1: Be in Annie. Yes, she could be, you know, a

466
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Speaker 1: child actor on any number of professional sets.

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Speaker 2: The thing about those sets and that has come into

468
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Speaker 2: play thanks to you know, workplace laws and everything in

469
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Speaker 2: Australia being stricter and stricter, but there are very clear laws.

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Speaker 1: What these kids are creating with their families is content

471
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Speaker 1: that people enjoy and engage with, and whatever you personally

472
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Speaker 1: might think about it, like kind of the inanity in

473
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Speaker 1: a way of a teenager showing you around their room.

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Speaker 1: And I don't say that as a criticism of Charlie.

475
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Speaker 1: I live with a teenager. I know how her name,

476
00:23:04,874 --> 00:23:08,434
Speaker 1: show me around her wardrobe. But like, whatever your personal

477
00:23:08,554 --> 00:23:12,594
Speaker 1: viewpoint about that is, this is basically people creating content

478
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Speaker 1: that people want to watch. That is basically now as

479
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Speaker 1: we know, just like a TV show or a movie

480
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Speaker 1: or a musical, people are watching YouTube instead of watching

481
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Speaker 1: Lego Masters or you know what I mean.

482
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know. And that's where I think that

483
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Speaker 2: it gets confusing.

484
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Speaker 3: I just think with the whole ben in itself, what

485
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Speaker 3: I did when I've heard this story was I try

486
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Speaker 3: to find all the loopholes, because I know every kid

487
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Speaker 3: will just be finding loopholes, and kids are really smart,

488
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Speaker 3: so they will find a way to be on tech.

489
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Speaker 3: And it just sounded like to me that, yes, social

490
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Speaker 3: media seems like a very harmful place for kids right now,

491
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Speaker 3: and in doing that, it's like we're punishing the kids

492
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Speaker 3: by taking it away from them when that's the one

493
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Speaker 3: thing that they had to like connect with people. And

494
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Speaker 3: even with Charlie, like even though she's moving overseas for

495
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Speaker 3: her job, she still has to start again in a

496
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Speaker 3: way because she's also losing all of her followers. But

497
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Speaker 3: all the followers will be having their accounts taken from

498
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Speaker 3: them as well.

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Speaker 1: If they're children, which most likely are. Yeah, except it's

500
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Speaker 1: not becoming illegal for kids under the age of sixteen

501
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Speaker 1: to watch YouTube. That is not what's happening. It's become

502
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Speaker 1: illegal for them to have their own accounts, but they

503
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Speaker 1: can watch the family account like they can watch my account,

504
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Speaker 1: their sister's account, anything. They just can't have their own account.

505
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Speaker 3: But wouldn't you want your own, Like it's for example, Netflix,

506
00:24:27,594 --> 00:24:29,754
Speaker 3: and we all have our own accounts on Netflix. I

507
00:24:29,834 --> 00:24:32,594
Speaker 3: get so frustrated when my mum uses my account because

508
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Speaker 3: she throws my algorithm all over.

509
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Speaker 1: Yes, you different.

510
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Speaker 2: I had to think about this right because I went,

511
00:24:40,474 --> 00:24:43,714
Speaker 2: all right, if we're banning accounts, but we're not banning

512
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Speaker 2: the viewing of the content.

513
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Speaker 1: What's the difference.

514
00:24:46,194 --> 00:24:50,154
Speaker 2: And the difference is that you can't tailor an algorithm

515
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Speaker 2: to a child. You can't advertise to a child directly, like, yes,

516
00:24:55,154 --> 00:24:57,273
Speaker 2: there are still going to be ads and stuff, but

517
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Speaker 2: we're not data mining on an eleven year old and

518
00:25:00,714 --> 00:25:05,154
Speaker 2: then radicalizing them with a feed that just gives them

519
00:25:05,194 --> 00:25:07,794
Speaker 2: more and more stuff that can lead them down a

520
00:25:07,874 --> 00:25:10,114
Speaker 2: rabbit hole. And we all know, all of us who

521
00:25:10,114 --> 00:25:12,234
Speaker 2: have deleted the apps off our phone and had to

522
00:25:12,554 --> 00:25:15,833
Speaker 2: look at it via a browser for a day, you

523
00:25:15,954 --> 00:25:18,954
Speaker 2: spend no time because it's boring. It's really boring, right,

524
00:25:18,994 --> 00:25:22,034
Speaker 2: So even YouTube, yeah, you just don't fall down rabbit

525
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Speaker 2: holes in the same way.

526
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Speaker 1: That's why I think it's clever. Is I think that

527
00:25:24,914 --> 00:25:27,754
Speaker 1: YouTube has become a platform that people will watch. But

528
00:25:27,874 --> 00:25:30,554
Speaker 1: having your own account, that's for you when you're under sixteen,

529
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Speaker 1: as you say, allows all kinds of data to be

530
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Speaker 1: captured on you, advertising to be taken, and you can't

531
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Speaker 1: you can't comment, And this is the whole thing as well,

532
00:25:37,994 --> 00:25:40,074
Speaker 1: as a lot of advocates have come out and said,

533
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Speaker 1: especially advocates who have lost children to bullying via social media,

534
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Speaker 1: and they have said, if people under sixteen couldn't have accounts,

535
00:25:47,354 --> 00:25:50,034
Speaker 1: then my daughter wouldn't have been this ruthlessly bullied.

536
00:25:50,314 --> 00:25:53,634
Speaker 2: So I think that's fair. But your point, Am, about

537
00:25:53,674 --> 00:25:56,794
Speaker 2: whether the audience is going to be compromised, I think

538
00:25:56,874 --> 00:25:59,714
Speaker 2: is interesting because I wondered that about the Norris Nuts

539
00:25:59,754 --> 00:26:03,674
Speaker 2: family as well. If the viewing time goes down because

540
00:26:03,714 --> 00:26:07,234
Speaker 2: kids don't have their own accounts anymore, then you'd be kind.

541
00:26:07,434 --> 00:26:10,354
Speaker 1: Because Mom's going, what are you watching? Why are you

542
00:26:10,434 --> 00:26:13,234
Speaker 1: watching that girl taking you around a wardrobe? Why are

543
00:26:13,274 --> 00:26:15,354
Speaker 1: you watching those kids race to get out of the houses?

544
00:26:15,994 --> 00:26:19,194
Speaker 1: That looks really silly, and Mom, you don't get it.

545
00:26:19,674 --> 00:26:23,553
Speaker 2: The other loophole is that Beck and Beck, Charlie's parents,

546
00:26:23,674 --> 00:26:25,634
Speaker 2: they can still have their account and they can feature

547
00:26:25,714 --> 00:26:26,874
Speaker 2: Charlie as much as they are.

548
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Speaker 1: It is really interesting. I just I mean as I say,

549
00:26:30,434 --> 00:26:32,594
Speaker 1: I'm a big supporter of the band. I don't actually

550
00:26:32,634 --> 00:26:35,154
Speaker 1: think there's anything wrong with what these families are doing,

551
00:26:35,914 --> 00:26:37,634
Speaker 1: and in some ways it's kind of sad that they're

552
00:26:37,674 --> 00:26:40,234
Speaker 1: moving away. But then I also think maybe that's just

553
00:26:40,274 --> 00:26:42,354
Speaker 1: a decision you have to make, as you say, Jesse,

554
00:26:42,674 --> 00:26:43,434
Speaker 1: for the greater good.

555
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Speaker 3: Really after the break, our very best rerecos for the week.

556
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Speaker 1: And do you have a rage ritual?

557
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558
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Speaker 3: The rituals have been having a moment, particularly right now.

563
00:27:10,634 --> 00:27:13,554
Speaker 3: I feel like everyone wants to develop healthy habits, get

564
00:27:13,554 --> 00:27:16,794
Speaker 3: into patterns, be like the best versions of themselves.

565
00:27:16,354 --> 00:27:16,793
Speaker 1: They can be.

566
00:27:17,274 --> 00:27:20,353
Speaker 3: And there are two new rituals I've seen mainly on

567
00:27:20,394 --> 00:27:22,634
Speaker 3: TikTok that are making the rounds, and I need to

568
00:27:22,634 --> 00:27:25,154
Speaker 3: bring them up because they both made me quite sad.

569
00:27:27,074 --> 00:27:29,834
Speaker 3: So the first one comes from Becka Bloom. Do we

570
00:27:29,914 --> 00:27:30,834
Speaker 3: remember Becka Bloom?

571
00:27:30,914 --> 00:27:33,714
Speaker 1: My new friend you lot introduced me to her when

572
00:27:33,754 --> 00:27:36,194
Speaker 1: she was having the most ridiculous wedding ever. Yeah, I

573
00:27:36,234 --> 00:27:39,394
Speaker 1: went to y'all went to her wedding in Italy where

574
00:27:39,394 --> 00:27:42,074
Speaker 1: there were some multi colored fireworks. There were like fourteen

575
00:27:42,114 --> 00:27:45,474
Speaker 1: different dresses. She is the billionaire, wererule supposed to like? Yeah? Yeah?

576
00:27:45,514 --> 00:27:48,714
Speaker 3: She started the loud luxury trend where she was like,

577
00:27:48,794 --> 00:27:49,833
Speaker 3: I have a lot of money.

578
00:27:49,954 --> 00:27:52,074
Speaker 1: Here's what it looks like. Yeah, and we're all obsessed

579
00:27:52,074 --> 00:27:52,354
Speaker 1: with her.

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00:27:52,834 --> 00:27:56,314
Speaker 3: So she recently posted a TikTok with her husband where

581
00:27:56,394 --> 00:28:00,034
Speaker 3: they listed five controversial rules in their relationship.

582
00:28:00,154 --> 00:28:02,114
Speaker 1: Their words not mine things in our marriage. That just

583
00:28:02,194 --> 00:28:02,714
Speaker 1: makes sense.

584
00:28:02,874 --> 00:28:03,513
Speaker 2: I'll go first.

585
00:28:03,554 --> 00:28:05,754
Speaker 3: We never talk negatively about each other in front of

586
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Speaker 3: other people.

587
00:28:06,394 --> 00:28:07,793
Speaker 2: If I have something to say, I'll see.

588
00:28:07,674 --> 00:28:08,314
Speaker 1: It to his face.

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00:28:08,754 --> 00:28:10,594
Speaker 3: Okay me next, once a week, I'll sit back a

590
00:28:10,634 --> 00:28:12,474
Speaker 3: down and compliment her for an hour straight.

591
00:28:12,754 --> 00:28:14,314
Speaker 1: I do you enjoy a compliment hour?

592
00:28:14,474 --> 00:28:16,354
Speaker 3: And that included him pag for everything.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that for a minute. Is he also like,

594
00:28:19,994 --> 00:28:22,194
Speaker 1: has anyone checked his bag for the louver of jewels?

595
00:28:22,234 --> 00:28:24,114
Speaker 3: I mean, like, come on, I think he was also

596
00:28:24,154 --> 00:28:26,754
Speaker 3: reading a script because there was a pause, and he goes,

597
00:28:27,074 --> 00:28:30,754
Speaker 3: but that's the bare minimum, and I was like, yes,

598
00:28:30,754 --> 00:28:34,874
Speaker 3: it is. They don't talk negatively about each other in public,

599
00:28:34,874 --> 00:28:37,474
Speaker 3: which I kind of that that's a good rule.

600
00:28:37,554 --> 00:28:38,754
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very chalant of.

601
00:28:38,794 --> 00:28:43,954
Speaker 3: Him, and the most controversial being that he spends an

602
00:28:44,034 --> 00:28:47,554
Speaker 3: hour a week showering her in compliments.

603
00:28:47,874 --> 00:28:50,074
Speaker 2: I quite like, I don't say anything controversial about this.

604
00:28:50,194 --> 00:28:52,034
Speaker 1: I quite like the compliment hour.

605
00:28:52,314 --> 00:28:54,554
Speaker 3: She says, I love my compliment hour, Mike. So I

606
00:28:54,594 --> 00:28:56,954
Speaker 3: don't think it's returned. I think it's just Jessee, You're

607
00:28:56,994 --> 00:29:01,194
Speaker 3: amazing and everything. But do you really think that someone.

608
00:29:00,874 --> 00:29:05,194
Speaker 1: Could spend a whole hour on compliment content? So do

609
00:29:05,234 --> 00:29:06,834
Speaker 1: you want to hear Luca talk for an hour?

610
00:29:07,514 --> 00:29:13,154
Speaker 2: No? Maybe eight minutes. I could do with an eight

611
00:29:13,234 --> 00:29:16,914
Speaker 2: minute like once with fire compliment round. The rule is

612
00:29:17,114 --> 00:29:19,634
Speaker 2: they can't be the same compliments as us. They've got

613
00:29:19,634 --> 00:29:20,314
Speaker 2: to be creative.

614
00:29:20,754 --> 00:29:22,754
Speaker 1: You'd have to keep the notes up going on your phone,

615
00:29:22,794 --> 00:29:26,594
Speaker 1: wouldn't you every time your partner did anything even vaguely

616
00:29:27,514 --> 00:29:29,794
Speaker 1: not awful, you have to put it in your phone

617
00:29:29,834 --> 00:29:32,234
Speaker 1: so you could just be like the way you wipe

618
00:29:32,314 --> 00:29:33,074
Speaker 1: the bench top.

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Speaker 2: I quite like an on demand compliment. I think that's.

620
00:29:36,154 --> 00:29:39,554
Speaker 1: Actually quite nice. So you go, I'm feeling a bit blurt,

621
00:29:39,594 --> 00:29:40,754
Speaker 1: tell me something nice about you.

622
00:29:40,994 --> 00:29:42,474
Speaker 2: I already do that, And he says, I don't do

623
00:29:42,514 --> 00:29:45,594
Speaker 2: compliments on demand, which is why I think that this

624
00:29:45,994 --> 00:29:49,074
Speaker 2: kind of written into the skin, because he loves a routine.

625
00:29:49,114 --> 00:29:51,394
Speaker 2: He does love a routine exactly like.

626
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Speaker 1: That, and it's being loved loudly. We've been talking about

627
00:29:54,234 --> 00:29:54,994
Speaker 1: that a lot lately.

628
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Speaker 3: This is so cramp Unless you're doing my compliment our

629
00:29:58,554 --> 00:30:01,674
Speaker 3: in public with other people, so other people can't hear it.

630
00:30:01,794 --> 00:30:03,394
Speaker 1: That's even more cringe, is it.

631
00:30:03,674 --> 00:30:05,594
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think so. I think it's quite nice.

632
00:30:05,634 --> 00:30:08,154
Speaker 3: So other people know how good of the person I am.

633
00:30:08,274 --> 00:30:13,794
Speaker 1: You're so clever, you're so smart. Oh my god. So

634
00:30:13,834 --> 00:30:16,434
Speaker 1: it gets to the hour, a whole hour.

635
00:30:17,434 --> 00:30:20,594
Speaker 3: It's your love language, words of affirmation. Yes, yeah, absolutely,

636
00:30:20,594 --> 00:30:22,394
Speaker 3: that's fine. Then you're lad you're coming.

637
00:30:22,474 --> 00:30:25,074
Speaker 1: Our acts of service. Mind's gift giving.

638
00:30:26,474 --> 00:30:28,634
Speaker 3: Like begger HER's his gift giving.

639
00:30:28,634 --> 00:30:30,394
Speaker 1: He said he has to give her a gift every week,

640
00:30:30,434 --> 00:30:33,354
Speaker 1: and I'm like her standards be high, y, I'm just like,

641
00:30:33,474 --> 00:30:35,554
Speaker 1: do something for me this week. I've had this sore

642
00:30:35,594 --> 00:30:38,674
Speaker 1: foot and so I was in my like I recorded

643
00:30:38,674 --> 00:30:41,034
Speaker 1: Monday's show from the shed at the bottom of the garden,

644
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Speaker 1: and every time I'd get up to get a cup

645
00:30:42,514 --> 00:30:44,954
Speaker 1: of tea whatever, it was like ouch and a pain.

646
00:30:45,354 --> 00:30:47,794
Speaker 1: And I was just rage, texting him like you are

647
00:30:47,794 --> 00:30:50,754
Speaker 1: not looking after me enough. I'm just a monster. I'm

648
00:30:50,794 --> 00:30:52,234
Speaker 1: so sorry, babe anywhere.

649
00:30:53,194 --> 00:30:56,994
Speaker 3: Actually that kind of blots into my next ritual. It's

650
00:30:56,994 --> 00:31:00,394
Speaker 3: called the rage ritual. So it's a wellness trend that

651
00:31:00,474 --> 00:31:05,194
Speaker 3: involves channeling deep anger and suppressed emotions and releasing them

652
00:31:05,514 --> 00:31:09,834
Speaker 3: through screaming or physical hitting things. So it starts off

653
00:31:09,874 --> 00:31:12,154
Speaker 3: in a meditative state and you have to go deep.

654
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Speaker 3: You have to think about everything that makes you angry,

655
00:31:15,114 --> 00:31:17,634
Speaker 3: and you have to go from like childhood till present

656
00:31:18,114 --> 00:31:21,714
Speaker 3: and then you release it. So it's been recommended on

657
00:31:21,754 --> 00:31:24,594
Speaker 3: TikTok that it's best done in a safe manner in

658
00:31:24,634 --> 00:31:27,714
Speaker 3: a private space outside where you can use a stick

659
00:31:28,154 --> 00:31:30,994
Speaker 3: and safely hit it on the ground. I know what

660
00:31:31,034 --> 00:31:33,274
Speaker 3: you're thinking, though, like some of us don't have access

661
00:31:33,314 --> 00:31:37,034
Speaker 3: to the outdoors, like myself. But there's intuitive advisor. Her

662
00:31:37,114 --> 00:31:38,234
Speaker 3: name is Mia Magic.

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00:31:38,474 --> 00:31:42,114
Speaker 1: She suggests be a magic on.

664
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Speaker 3: She suggests tell us pushing against a wall while saying

665
00:31:46,114 --> 00:31:46,994
Speaker 3: get away from me.

666
00:31:49,634 --> 00:31:53,754
Speaker 1: That is so in a city, imagine my neighbors. It's

667
00:31:53,874 --> 00:31:57,594
Speaker 1: very satisfying.

668
00:31:57,754 --> 00:32:00,354
Speaker 3: Anyway, you're moving yourself, so I feel like you're taking

669
00:32:00,394 --> 00:32:03,194
Speaker 3: the anger back. It's rebounding off the wall and going

670
00:32:03,274 --> 00:32:05,114
Speaker 3: back into you. I'm a big fan of screaming into

671
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Speaker 3: a pillow.

672
00:32:05,874 --> 00:32:08,634
Speaker 2: Yeah, or getting in to the car, turning up the

673
00:32:08,714 --> 00:32:11,594
Speaker 2: music and just swearing in like a private environment. I

674
00:32:11,634 --> 00:32:14,674
Speaker 2: also find finding someone to blame they don't have to

675
00:32:14,674 --> 00:32:17,514
Speaker 2: have anything to do with the rage, and sending a

676
00:32:17,594 --> 00:32:20,834
Speaker 2: long winded two hundred three hundred word text message about

677
00:32:20,874 --> 00:32:23,874
Speaker 2: their character flaws can really help with rage. I was

678
00:32:23,874 --> 00:32:26,074
Speaker 2: on the receiving end of this on the weekend. Claire

679
00:32:26,554 --> 00:32:28,394
Speaker 2: was raging about something not to do with me. She's

680
00:32:28,394 --> 00:32:31,874
Speaker 2: picked up a phone yelled at me for like five minutes.

681
00:32:32,554 --> 00:32:34,354
Speaker 2: Luca just looked at me and was like, what was

682
00:32:34,394 --> 00:32:35,914
Speaker 2: that about? And I was like, I don't know. She

683
00:32:36,034 --> 00:32:39,034
Speaker 2: was just really angry, and it was like trying to

684
00:32:39,074 --> 00:32:40,714
Speaker 2: make it all my fault, but I think that it

685
00:32:40,834 --> 00:32:42,114
Speaker 2: helped to get it all out.

686
00:32:43,354 --> 00:32:45,474
Speaker 1: You know, there's also you know how a while ago

687
00:32:45,514 --> 00:32:48,874
Speaker 1: Amelia recommended on the show laughing yoga. Yeah, because there's

688
00:32:48,874 --> 00:32:52,314
Speaker 1: also screaming yoga where you can go and which seems

689
00:32:52,434 --> 00:32:54,794
Speaker 1: very much more now than laughing yoga in some ways,

690
00:32:54,994 --> 00:32:57,834
Speaker 1: where you can go and do your downward dogging and stuff,

691
00:32:57,874 --> 00:33:01,634
Speaker 1: and then you're all just like, yeah, really loudly, what

692
00:33:01,674 --> 00:33:03,434
Speaker 1: do you think You just booked yourself into a normal

693
00:33:04,674 --> 00:33:08,274
Speaker 1: and you'd just be like, oh, I see very much

694
00:33:08,314 --> 00:33:12,514
Speaker 1: how this helps because as a speaking as a repressed person,

695
00:33:12,754 --> 00:33:15,514
Speaker 1: I can't help it. On the rare occasions when I

696
00:33:15,594 --> 00:33:19,714
Speaker 1: scream and shout it's very rare, it feels fucking great.

697
00:33:20,554 --> 00:33:22,794
Speaker 1: It makes me go, oh, this is all those angry

698
00:33:22,834 --> 00:33:26,674
Speaker 1: people are always going around yelling. They're not messed up,

699
00:33:26,914 --> 00:33:28,754
Speaker 1: they're completely sang wind.

700
00:33:30,314 --> 00:33:32,514
Speaker 2: Have you ever gone into a toilet cubicle and just

701
00:33:32,634 --> 00:33:39,034
Speaker 2: opened your mouth and go silent screaming the silent scream

702
00:33:40,314 --> 00:33:42,714
Speaker 2: even in a shower and you do a silent scream

703
00:33:42,714 --> 00:33:43,114
Speaker 2: and you go.

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Speaker 1: I also like aggressive sing alongs in the car, like,

705
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Speaker 1: you know, put a really angry and just be like

706
00:33:54,834 --> 00:33:57,234
Speaker 1: you know, that's why some of those angry songs are

707
00:33:57,274 --> 00:34:00,074
Speaker 1: really good. Just scream along with that. And what do

708
00:34:00,074 --> 00:34:02,594
Speaker 1: you call those rooms where you can smack things around?

709
00:34:02,674 --> 00:34:04,234
Speaker 2: I've always wanted to go to one of those.

710
00:34:04,074 --> 00:34:08,794
Speaker 1: Smashrooms they're called where there's like crockery and things and

711
00:34:08,834 --> 00:34:11,674
Speaker 1: you can take a back. Apparently they are really popular

712
00:34:11,714 --> 00:34:14,314
Speaker 1: with adolescent boys and middle aged women. Those are the

713
00:34:14,354 --> 00:34:15,474
Speaker 1: two categories, the same.

714
00:34:17,034 --> 00:34:20,274
Speaker 3: People who are taking creatine.

715
00:34:23,434 --> 00:34:30,354
Speaker 1: They are also smashing ship unsign heroes, the we didn't

716
00:34:30,354 --> 00:34:31,873
Speaker 1: know we need it. Oh my god. This is why

717
00:34:31,874 --> 00:34:32,954
Speaker 1: it's tricky the middle.

718
00:34:35,474 --> 00:34:36,674
Speaker 2: Do you want to go to a smash room?

719
00:34:36,994 --> 00:34:43,794
Speaker 1: Exactly together? I love it. Vibes, ideas, atmosphere, something casual,

720
00:34:43,954 --> 00:34:46,714
Speaker 1: something fun. This is my best recommendation.

721
00:34:48,114 --> 00:34:51,754
Speaker 2: It's Friday, so we're gonna set up your weekend with

722
00:34:51,794 --> 00:34:54,394
Speaker 2: our best recommendations. And I'm going to go first because

723
00:34:54,434 --> 00:34:57,234
Speaker 2: this one I have been desperate to tell you about.

724
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Speaker 2: I Reckon. This is top three records of the year. Yeah, yeah,

725
00:35:02,154 --> 00:35:06,434
Speaker 2: because I read a series when I was away recently

726
00:35:06,674 --> 00:35:09,314
Speaker 2: and I could not wait to come back and tell

727
00:35:09,354 --> 00:35:13,194
Speaker 2: you all about them. There is an author named John Boyne,

728
00:35:13,194 --> 00:35:15,554
Speaker 2: and he wrote The Boy in the Stripe Pajamas, and

729
00:35:15,594 --> 00:35:17,874
Speaker 2: there's a sequel to The Boy in the Stripe Pajamas,

730
00:35:17,874 --> 00:35:21,354
Speaker 2: which it is as good, if not better. And he

731
00:35:21,794 --> 00:35:24,914
Speaker 2: has written this new series which I kept hearing about.

732
00:35:24,994 --> 00:35:28,714
Speaker 2: It is called The Elements, and it is a quartet

733
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Speaker 2: of novellas, which that sounds very clever.

734
00:35:32,794 --> 00:35:34,473
Speaker 1: Does novella mean tiny book?

735
00:35:34,794 --> 00:35:36,034
Speaker 2: Yes, it means.

736
00:35:35,874 --> 00:35:37,913
Speaker 1: It's like a novel, but cute. Yes.

737
00:35:38,474 --> 00:35:40,513
Speaker 2: And the thing with I can find novella's a little

738
00:35:40,514 --> 00:35:43,034
Speaker 2: bit unsatisfying. Sometimes I just kind of go oh, I

739
00:35:43,074 --> 00:35:45,513
Speaker 2: don't really get there. For me, this is a full book.

740
00:35:45,514 --> 00:35:48,954
Speaker 2: It's just a little bit shorter. Maybe I barely even noticed.

741
00:35:49,314 --> 00:35:52,873
Speaker 2: But each book is a self contained story, but they're interconnected.

742
00:35:53,314 --> 00:35:58,114
Speaker 2: So the first one is they're called like Water, Fire,

743
00:35:58,874 --> 00:36:04,114
Speaker 2: Earth Wind. I think they are the Elements.

744
00:36:04,194 --> 00:36:07,834
Speaker 3: Yes, we watched Avatar, Yes, Captain Punn.

745
00:36:08,274 --> 00:36:10,994
Speaker 2: The first one, Water is about this woman who escapes

746
00:36:11,034 --> 00:36:12,794
Speaker 2: to a tiny Irish village and you don't know what

747
00:36:12,874 --> 00:36:16,314
Speaker 2: she's escaping from, but she's in like self proclaimed exile,

748
00:36:16,954 --> 00:36:21,274
Speaker 2: and it unfolds that her husband is guilty of unimaginable

749
00:36:21,314 --> 00:36:24,194
Speaker 2: crimes and it's a question of her culpability what she

750
00:36:24,314 --> 00:36:27,074
Speaker 2: has to answer for and then the second one is

751
00:36:27,274 --> 00:36:31,754
Speaker 2: about a young footballer. It is from his perspective and

752
00:36:31,794 --> 00:36:35,674
Speaker 2: he is on trial because he filmed his footballer mate

753
00:36:35,794 --> 00:36:38,914
Speaker 2: having sex with a woman who says it was not consentual,

754
00:36:39,234 --> 00:36:41,434
Speaker 2: like that it was rape, and it's from his perspective,

755
00:36:41,474 --> 00:36:45,074
Speaker 2: so it's really really interesting. The third one even like,

756
00:36:45,674 --> 00:36:49,754
Speaker 2: you know, more incredible. But the way that John Boyne

757
00:36:49,754 --> 00:36:55,114
Speaker 2: writes men, women, heroes, villains, all different ages, lifespans is

758
00:36:55,514 --> 00:36:58,154
Speaker 2: just He's got to be one of the most masterful

759
00:36:58,154 --> 00:37:00,754
Speaker 2: writers writing at the moment. And a lot of the

760
00:37:00,754 --> 00:37:03,514
Speaker 2: themes I thought were actually similar to your book Colligue.

761
00:37:03,514 --> 00:37:04,834
Speaker 2: That's why when I was away, I was like, Holy

762
00:37:04,994 --> 00:37:06,994
Speaker 2: has to read these she will love them. They are

763
00:37:07,194 --> 00:37:12,554
Speaker 2: rated so so highly everywhere, reviewed really well, so so good,

764
00:37:12,674 --> 00:37:14,834
Speaker 2: and I got through all four while I was away,

765
00:37:14,994 --> 00:37:17,794
Speaker 2: like they are brilliant. So they are called the Elements,

766
00:37:17,794 --> 00:37:21,674
Speaker 2: but you start with water and then you go on.

767
00:37:21,634 --> 00:37:23,393
Speaker 1: To the did you can ask you a question, did

768
00:37:23,434 --> 00:37:25,594
Speaker 1: you read literal books or digital books?

769
00:37:25,674 --> 00:37:27,674
Speaker 2: I did it on my kindle and so it told

770
00:37:27,674 --> 00:37:31,194
Speaker 2: me what the next one was, and that actually brings

771
00:37:31,234 --> 00:37:34,314
Speaker 2: me to my I have a Kindle gripe, which is

772
00:37:35,234 --> 00:37:37,913
Speaker 2: it doesn't tell the world what you're reading. And when

773
00:37:37,954 --> 00:37:41,554
Speaker 2: I was at the pool, I always look at what

774
00:37:41,594 --> 00:37:44,274
Speaker 2: people are reading. It's the best advertising. I often strike

775
00:37:44,354 --> 00:37:47,034
Speaker 2: up a conversation and say I love that book or whatever.

776
00:37:47,794 --> 00:37:51,514
Speaker 2: I worry about kindles and what they're doing to the

777
00:37:51,554 --> 00:37:52,073
Speaker 2: book world.

778
00:37:52,154 --> 00:37:54,714
Speaker 1: You know what they should do the back of your kindle.

779
00:37:54,834 --> 00:37:56,913
Speaker 2: It needs to show the cover. It needs to show

780
00:37:56,954 --> 00:37:58,473
Speaker 2: the cover because I want to signal to the world

781
00:37:58,474 --> 00:37:59,674
Speaker 2: that I'm reading this brilliant book.

782
00:37:59,674 --> 00:38:03,314
Speaker 1: Although sometimes it's good that you don't know, because sometimes

783
00:38:03,354 --> 00:38:05,154
Speaker 1: you feel like you should put your book that you're

784
00:38:05,194 --> 00:38:10,954
Speaker 1: really loving inside. Anna Karnina, Yes, like something really intelligent,

785
00:38:10,994 --> 00:38:13,514
Speaker 1: because you're like, I'm just reading about fairies getting it

786
00:38:13,514 --> 00:38:16,593
Speaker 1: on and you are judging me. Not that there's anything

787
00:38:16,634 --> 00:38:19,114
Speaker 1: wrong with that, but you're right, Jesse. It is a

788
00:38:19,154 --> 00:38:20,834
Speaker 1: missed marketing opportunity. It is.

789
00:38:20,834 --> 00:38:22,594
Speaker 2: It makes me sad that I can't see through your

790
00:38:22,634 --> 00:38:23,754
Speaker 2: kindle and see what you're reading.

791
00:38:23,794 --> 00:38:25,954
Speaker 3: Maybe just every five minutes to yell out the title,

792
00:38:27,714 --> 00:38:28,474
Speaker 3: just so people.

793
00:38:28,234 --> 00:38:31,714
Speaker 2: Know, Holly, what have you got for it?

794
00:38:32,194 --> 00:38:35,433
Speaker 1: Mine's writing related. Actually, do you listen to music when

795
00:38:35,474 --> 00:38:36,634
Speaker 1: you're writing, either of you?

796
00:38:37,034 --> 00:38:38,433
Speaker 2: Oily White noise No.

797
00:38:38,674 --> 00:38:41,434
Speaker 3: Sometimes I try to get into like Mozart because I

798
00:38:41,474 --> 00:38:43,314
Speaker 3: heard that's meant to be good distracting.

799
00:38:43,754 --> 00:38:47,274
Speaker 1: It's interesting because I've always been a silence person, but

800
00:38:47,434 --> 00:38:50,473
Speaker 1: lately I've been struggling with focus, like always, like that's

801
00:38:50,514 --> 00:38:54,114
Speaker 1: just an ongoing life thing, right, And lots of people

802
00:38:54,114 --> 00:38:56,194
Speaker 1: said to me that one of the real advantages to

803
00:38:56,274 --> 00:38:59,513
Speaker 1: listening to music when you're writing is it can be

804
00:38:59,594 --> 00:39:01,554
Speaker 1: one of those signals that you need to give yourself,

805
00:39:01,634 --> 00:39:03,393
Speaker 1: Like you know, I think we're talking about this on

806
00:39:03,434 --> 00:39:05,194
Speaker 1: the show a while ago, Like you light a candle,

807
00:39:05,234 --> 00:39:09,034
Speaker 1: I'm riding you know my PHONEO, I'm writing, like a

808
00:39:09,074 --> 00:39:11,594
Speaker 1: signal that you give yourself. So I was like, that

809
00:39:11,754 --> 00:39:13,994
Speaker 1: sounds clever. If I'm going to give myself a forty

810
00:39:13,994 --> 00:39:17,834
Speaker 1: minute window to get some words down, the idea that

811
00:39:17,874 --> 00:39:20,594
Speaker 1: the music is on and this kind of music is

812
00:39:20,634 --> 00:39:23,314
Speaker 1: on and it will stop when you know when it's

813
00:39:23,354 --> 00:39:27,314
Speaker 1: done is smart. So I started looking at writing playlists

814
00:39:27,354 --> 00:39:30,754
Speaker 1: on Spotify, and there are loads, and there are two

815
00:39:30,914 --> 00:39:32,674
Speaker 1: I want to recommend for. And it's just not just

816
00:39:32,714 --> 00:39:36,314
Speaker 1: about writing. This is also studying any kind of focus,

817
00:39:36,434 --> 00:39:37,593
Speaker 1: deep work, deep work.

818
00:39:37,714 --> 00:39:39,754
Speaker 2: Often at work, I've just got to put some headphones

819
00:39:39,794 --> 00:39:41,433
Speaker 2: in so I can concentrate so I can do it.

820
00:39:42,674 --> 00:39:45,714
Speaker 1: One of them is called creative writing no words, because

821
00:39:45,714 --> 00:39:47,954
Speaker 1: no words is important to me. It's not for everybody.

822
00:39:48,034 --> 00:39:50,914
Speaker 1: I know some people who can happily write with lyrics,

823
00:39:50,914 --> 00:39:51,393
Speaker 1: but can't.

824
00:39:51,714 --> 00:39:53,354
Speaker 2: I can't know lyrics no lyrics and.

825
00:39:53,354 --> 00:39:55,434
Speaker 1: Start writing the lyrics well. And also the minute the

826
00:39:55,514 --> 00:39:57,714
Speaker 1: lyrics are there, I'm listening to the lyrics. Yes, although

827
00:39:57,714 --> 00:39:59,554
Speaker 1: I always explain to my kids that there are two

828
00:39:59,554 --> 00:40:01,954
Speaker 1: types of songs. There are story songs, and that's a

829
00:40:02,034 --> 00:40:04,794
Speaker 1: nice noise song, and so you could listen to that's

830
00:40:04,834 --> 00:40:06,074
Speaker 1: a nice noise song, I guess.

831
00:40:06,194 --> 00:40:07,913
Speaker 2: But anyway, I lyric free.

832
00:40:08,034 --> 00:40:14,154
Speaker 1: Yeah, we pass your desk. Creative writing no words in

833
00:40:14,194 --> 00:40:17,314
Speaker 1: SPO music by Katie Beth Brierley Boggan really good. But

834
00:40:17,514 --> 00:40:21,554
Speaker 1: my favorite is by Zoe Foster Blake, and it is

835
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Speaker 1: really irritating that Zoe Foster Blake is so good at

836
00:40:23,874 --> 00:40:26,554
Speaker 1: so many things. But her playlists are really good. Her

837
00:40:26,554 --> 00:40:27,034
Speaker 1: break up.

838
00:40:26,994 --> 00:40:30,394
Speaker 2: Playlist, running playlist, I'm never run.

839
00:40:30,394 --> 00:40:33,834
Speaker 1: Kids playlist like. I have a sneaking suspicion that this

840
00:40:33,914 --> 00:40:38,553
Speaker 1: must be her procrastination hobby like making playlists, because they're

841
00:40:38,634 --> 00:40:41,554
Speaker 1: very good. But her one that's called music for writing

842
00:40:41,594 --> 00:40:44,074
Speaker 1: study Flow and Focus is the one I've probably been

843
00:40:44,154 --> 00:40:48,073
Speaker 1: using most regularly, and it's really good and it's really long,

844
00:40:48,154 --> 00:40:50,393
Speaker 1: so it rarely I just stop and start it as

845
00:40:50,434 --> 00:40:53,154
Speaker 1: I need to, and it rarely repeats, which is good

846
00:40:53,234 --> 00:40:55,194
Speaker 1: because the thing about sound is sometimes it gets you

847
00:40:55,234 --> 00:40:57,194
Speaker 1: in when you're writing and you're like, oh when that song,

848
00:40:57,594 --> 00:40:59,513
Speaker 1: When that song was playing, I was having a really

849
00:40:59,554 --> 00:41:02,513
Speaker 1: bad time trying to solve this problem. So you kind

850
00:41:02,514 --> 00:41:06,074
Speaker 1: of need fresh things all the time, very little lyrics,

851
00:41:06,114 --> 00:41:08,354
Speaker 1: a little bit of light lyrics. But I highly recommend

852
00:41:08,954 --> 00:41:12,234
Speaker 1: and also out loud As. If you've got recommendations for

853
00:41:12,354 --> 00:41:16,194
Speaker 1: excellent focus writing studying playlists, we want to hear them

854
00:41:16,274 --> 00:41:19,674
Speaker 1: because I reckon it's game changing. I reckon it's really

855
00:41:19,714 --> 00:41:20,114
Speaker 1: helped me.

856
00:41:20,594 --> 00:41:21,754
Speaker 2: Oh how about you?

857
00:41:21,874 --> 00:41:22,794
Speaker 1: M okay?

858
00:41:22,994 --> 00:41:26,433
Speaker 3: I wanted to recommend a show on Disney Plus, and

859
00:41:26,474 --> 00:41:28,914
Speaker 3: I feel like it's flown quite under the radar because

860
00:41:28,954 --> 00:41:32,274
Speaker 3: it is quite basic. And I'm starting off by saying

861
00:41:32,314 --> 00:41:35,513
Speaker 3: that because I got a bit of trouble from out

862
00:41:35,514 --> 00:41:37,234
Speaker 3: louders after my House of Dyna mite.

863
00:41:37,794 --> 00:41:40,033
Speaker 2: Did you like on your recommendation? Did I like it?

864
00:41:40,274 --> 00:41:42,393
Speaker 2: I have we need to sit down and.

865
00:41:42,354 --> 00:41:45,234
Speaker 1: Discuss everyone's talking about the ending. You don't know spoiler

866
00:41:45,274 --> 00:41:46,993
Speaker 1: because I have no spoilers, but a lot of.

867
00:41:46,954 --> 00:41:49,474
Speaker 3: Discussion about that, yeah, a lot of Yeah I should

868
00:41:49,474 --> 00:41:52,754
Speaker 3: have disclosed that, but I did it and keep got mad.

869
00:41:52,794 --> 00:41:55,114
Speaker 1: But it's time. I loved it. Sorry.

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00:41:55,354 --> 00:41:57,993
Speaker 3: So I'm starting off with saying, this is a basic recommendation.

871
00:41:58,554 --> 00:42:01,354
Speaker 3: It is a show called Chad Powers and it was

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00:42:01,434 --> 00:42:03,354
Speaker 3: created and stars Glenn Powell.

873
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Speaker 1: So it's time to face it. Your football career is over.

874
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Speaker 3: First were the grandest stage in American sports, Kirk and

875
00:42:11,354 --> 00:42:14,114
Speaker 3: for Russ Holiday a chance to self the special You

876
00:42:14,194 --> 00:42:15,994
Speaker 3: were show voting and you bleue the game.

877
00:42:18,194 --> 00:42:19,274
Speaker 1: They can't get anything.

878
00:42:19,954 --> 00:42:21,074
Speaker 3: That's his insane.

879
00:42:22,714 --> 00:42:25,994
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Georgia's picked the ball up. Georgia.

880
00:42:26,234 --> 00:42:27,754
Speaker 3: He's gonna win a championship.

881
00:42:27,914 --> 00:42:29,754
Speaker 1: What was Holiday thinking?

882
00:42:31,514 --> 00:42:32,913
Speaker 3: It's time for you to move on.

883
00:42:34,674 --> 00:42:37,234
Speaker 1: There's just one problem dead, I'm not done with football.

884
00:42:38,514 --> 00:42:40,953
Speaker 1: I adore Glen Pale. If you haven't read the new

885
00:42:40,954 --> 00:42:43,594
Speaker 1: profile of Glen Pealell by Marina Hyde, it's good, Guardian,

886
00:42:43,714 --> 00:42:45,554
Speaker 1: go read it. It is genius anyway.

887
00:42:45,794 --> 00:42:49,794
Speaker 3: So he plays It's very much like Ted Lasso, just

888
00:42:50,034 --> 00:42:53,794
Speaker 3: in the NFL, in footy in America. So he plays

889
00:42:53,914 --> 00:42:59,634
Speaker 3: this big NFL star named Russ Holliday, super egotistical, super Assholey.

890
00:42:59,794 --> 00:43:00,754
Speaker 1: No one likes him.

891
00:43:00,994 --> 00:43:03,074
Speaker 3: He has kind of a bit of a fall from grace,

892
00:43:03,154 --> 00:43:05,393
Speaker 3: like something really big happens and everyone's like, oh, you

893
00:43:05,434 --> 00:43:07,314
Speaker 3: can't come back from this, and then.

894
00:43:06,834 --> 00:43:08,394
Speaker 1: You feel sorry for himself.

895
00:43:08,434 --> 00:43:11,674
Speaker 3: He really misses football, so he develops this alter ego

896
00:43:11,754 --> 00:43:13,553
Speaker 3: and he puts on this prosthetics kind of like she's

897
00:43:13,594 --> 00:43:14,234
Speaker 3: the man vibes.

898
00:43:14,274 --> 00:43:17,034
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why his nose looks funny on the stairs.

899
00:43:17,074 --> 00:43:19,554
Speaker 3: And he creates his alter ego named Chad Powers and

900
00:43:19,634 --> 00:43:22,874
Speaker 3: tries out for the NFL again and gets into another team,

901
00:43:23,474 --> 00:43:26,474
Speaker 3: and his Chad Power's personality is so different from his

902
00:43:26,554 --> 00:43:29,794
Speaker 3: real personality Russ Holiday and the whole series it's really

903
00:43:29,834 --> 00:43:34,194
Speaker 3: really funny, very sporty. And the first season has just finished.

904
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Speaker 1: And when I first started out, I was like, oh,

905
00:43:35,834 --> 00:43:36,314
Speaker 1: this is just.

906
00:43:36,274 --> 00:43:38,594
Speaker 3: Ted Lasso, but in like a boring way, and it

907
00:43:38,594 --> 00:43:40,674
Speaker 3: gets better and better and better, and it's just really funny.

908
00:43:40,674 --> 00:43:41,834
Speaker 1: It's like one day you can watch with the I.

909
00:43:41,834 --> 00:43:44,393
Speaker 3: Mean, there's swear words and stuff, but just feels like

910
00:43:44,514 --> 00:43:46,953
Speaker 3: very nice, like I haven't watched anything that's just really

911
00:43:46,994 --> 00:43:48,914
Speaker 3: like pleasant to watch in all every.

912
00:43:48,834 --> 00:43:51,194
Speaker 2: Streaming service is trying to replicate Ted Lasso.

913
00:43:51,354 --> 00:43:53,794
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate that. So it's a series. It's not

914
00:43:53,834 --> 00:43:54,754
Speaker 1: a movie. It's a series.

915
00:43:54,794 --> 00:43:56,634
Speaker 3: It's only six episodes in the first season.

916
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Speaker 1: I think I feel like they've made a mistake in

917
00:43:59,034 --> 00:44:03,194
Speaker 1: making Glenn Powell ugly in this series, because don't we

918
00:44:03,234 --> 00:44:05,913
Speaker 1: watch him because he's not ugly, Not that he's ugly.

919
00:44:05,954 --> 00:44:08,634
Speaker 1: That sounds harsh, but you know what I mean, the

920
00:44:08,874 --> 00:44:11,354
Speaker 1: deliberately made Powell.

921
00:44:11,834 --> 00:44:12,714
Speaker 2: That's the part you like.

922
00:44:12,754 --> 00:44:14,674
Speaker 1: And that's the thing I like about Glen Powell is

923
00:44:14,674 --> 00:44:15,714
Speaker 1: how he looks like Glen Pale.

924
00:44:15,914 --> 00:44:17,754
Speaker 3: I know, but like, this is the first series where

925
00:44:17,754 --> 00:44:20,114
Speaker 3: I've watched Glen Pale and I was like, WHOA, you're

926
00:44:20,154 --> 00:44:20,794
Speaker 3: a good actor.

927
00:44:20,874 --> 00:44:23,274
Speaker 1: Oh, he's a great actor. Didn't realize that a movie.

928
00:44:23,434 --> 00:44:25,114
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that from the other one. This is

929
00:44:25,114 --> 00:44:26,554
Speaker 1: not going to be helpful because I'm going to forget

930
00:44:26,554 --> 00:44:28,794
Speaker 1: the movie. But the movie itself is a bit problematic,

931
00:44:28,834 --> 00:44:31,114
Speaker 1: but he is such a good actor, and he plays

932
00:44:31,114 --> 00:44:34,674
Speaker 1: this kind of con man and hit man. Yes, it's

933
00:44:34,674 --> 00:44:36,754
Speaker 1: got there's some things in that movie that I'm not into,

934
00:44:36,874 --> 00:44:39,794
Speaker 1: but he's amazing in it and he's like, it's like

935
00:44:39,874 --> 00:44:41,954
Speaker 1: he's trying so hard to be the next Tom Cruise

936
00:44:42,354 --> 00:44:45,354
Speaker 1: because Tom Cruise is not endearing because he went to

937
00:44:45,354 --> 00:44:47,554
Speaker 1: a school of acting. Yeah, and he has to be

938
00:44:47,594 --> 00:44:49,674
Speaker 1: the next Tom Cruise. And he very much like he

939
00:44:49,834 --> 00:44:51,554
Speaker 1: calls up all the movie stars and he's like, tell

940
00:44:51,594 --> 00:44:53,194
Speaker 1: me how to be. I just think he's great and

941
00:44:53,314 --> 00:44:57,154
Speaker 1: he's got a hot source line. This is my perfect man. Okay, yeah, yeah,

942
00:44:58,154 --> 00:45:01,913
Speaker 1: I digress. Okay, so it's on Disney Plus Disneywers. It's

943
00:45:01,994 --> 00:45:03,474
Speaker 1: really good. But don't take that.

944
00:45:04,074 --> 00:45:07,594
Speaker 3: Don't judge me.

945
00:45:08,514 --> 00:45:10,993
Speaker 1: Out louder is a massive thank you for being here

946
00:45:11,074 --> 00:45:13,914
Speaker 1: with us with M. Jesse, her twins and I.

947
00:45:14,794 --> 00:45:16,394
Speaker 2: We've got five of us.

948
00:45:17,834 --> 00:45:21,554
Speaker 1: Of us, we can't make a thank you to all

949
00:45:21,594 --> 00:45:24,033
Speaker 1: our out louders and to our team. Don't forget we're

950
00:45:24,074 --> 00:45:29,594
Speaker 1: on YouTube. Tell them about I don't want to objectify anyway.

951
00:45:30,754 --> 00:45:33,714
Speaker 1: I just pointed M's tits, but that's because I don't

952
00:45:33,714 --> 00:45:36,274
Speaker 1: want to objectify em in any way. But on Monday's show,

953
00:45:36,514 --> 00:45:39,114
Speaker 1: it moved me. Yeah, merely A Jesse and I had

954
00:45:39,114 --> 00:45:42,473
Speaker 1: a big conversation about something that changed your outfit. Tell me, yes,

955
00:45:42,674 --> 00:45:45,154
Speaker 1: I'm going braless for the foreseeable future.

956
00:45:45,674 --> 00:45:47,834
Speaker 2: Can I ask what cup size you are? This is important.

957
00:45:47,914 --> 00:45:50,634
Speaker 1: I'm a C. It's very private. Why are you asking

958
00:45:50,674 --> 00:45:51,194
Speaker 1: that question?

959
00:45:51,594 --> 00:45:55,074
Speaker 2: Because, as we said, a cup girlies have always been

960
00:45:55,114 --> 00:45:58,034
Speaker 2: able to go. But I think between a B and

961
00:45:58,034 --> 00:46:02,114
Speaker 2: a C is where we have been socialized. Believe we

962
00:46:02,194 --> 00:46:05,354
Speaker 2: must put them in brass and I just I really

963
00:46:05,394 --> 00:46:06,954
Speaker 2: appreciate that you've got them out today.

964
00:46:07,114 --> 00:46:09,274
Speaker 3: Earlier this year was the first time I never really

965
00:46:09,314 --> 00:46:11,754
Speaker 3: paid attention to my boobs. Earlier this year was the

966
00:46:11,794 --> 00:46:13,274
Speaker 3: first time I looked in the mirror and I was like,

967
00:46:13,514 --> 00:46:16,433
Speaker 3: they've changed a little bit, and I was like, I'm

968
00:46:16,434 --> 00:46:17,314
Speaker 3: just going to show them off.

969
00:46:17,634 --> 00:46:20,514
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, just like Sydney Sween.

970
00:46:20,634 --> 00:46:25,794
Speaker 1: Yes really helped you. I like that anyway, So if

971
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Speaker 1: you're watching on YouTube, you're welcome. Perfect out loud. Before

972
00:46:30,434 --> 00:46:32,954
Speaker 1: we go, we do have exciting news. It's something that

973
00:46:32,994 --> 00:46:34,754
Speaker 1: all three of us have wanted to do for ages,

974
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Speaker 1: and we're all involved.

975
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Speaker 2: This summer, we are finally doing a book club and

976
00:46:40,034 --> 00:46:42,634
Speaker 2: it's all thanks to Royal Caribbean who have come on

977
00:46:42,714 --> 00:46:44,314
Speaker 2: board to help make it happen.

978
00:46:44,474 --> 00:46:46,433
Speaker 1: We haven't really told everybody about this, have we know

979
00:46:46,954 --> 00:46:49,154
Speaker 1: we're going to do a book club where we're going

980
00:46:49,194 --> 00:46:51,954
Speaker 1: to pick three books at the start of the summer

981
00:46:52,114 --> 00:46:53,913
Speaker 1: that we're all going to read together out louders and

982
00:46:53,954 --> 00:46:58,114
Speaker 1: then get together to discuss. Now, it's going to start

983
00:46:58,194 --> 00:47:00,154
Speaker 1: at the end of November, so we're giving you lots

984
00:47:00,154 --> 00:47:02,674
Speaker 1: of time to at least read the first book. And

985
00:47:02,714 --> 00:47:05,473
Speaker 1: we asked out louders what these books should be. You've

986
00:47:05,474 --> 00:47:08,473
Speaker 1: given us some great ideas. We have some two The

987
00:47:08,514 --> 00:47:10,714
Speaker 1: first one we're doing is not a new book. It's

988
00:47:10,754 --> 00:47:13,554
Speaker 1: a recent new classic, though Jesse tell them what it is.

989
00:47:13,874 --> 00:47:18,954
Speaker 2: It is all fours by Miranda July, and amongst ourselves,

990
00:47:19,234 --> 00:47:21,834
Speaker 2: we have been talking about how much we've wanted to

991
00:47:21,834 --> 00:47:24,354
Speaker 2: do a show on this book because it has it's

992
00:47:24,394 --> 00:47:28,274
Speaker 2: been sort of a culture defining moment and a year old.

993
00:47:28,354 --> 00:47:30,473
Speaker 2: Now right, yeah, you're a bit older, would you say?

994
00:47:30,474 --> 00:47:34,674
Speaker 2: It's about midlife, It's about sex, it's about desire, it's

995
00:47:34,714 --> 00:47:39,033
Speaker 2: about motherhood. It is probably one of my topics over

996
00:47:39,074 --> 00:47:39,834
Speaker 2: the last year.

997
00:47:40,234 --> 00:47:43,954
Speaker 1: The New York Times called it the first great perimenopausal novel.

998
00:47:44,794 --> 00:47:47,433
Speaker 1: And I love the idea of the three of us

999
00:47:47,714 --> 00:47:53,034
Speaker 1: from different eras and different ages discussing that like selling

1000
00:47:53,074 --> 00:47:55,433
Speaker 1: your book for our first book club So if you

1001
00:47:55,634 --> 00:47:58,513
Speaker 1: haven't read All Fours by Miranda July and you want

1002
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Speaker 1: to be part of our book club, read it, listen

1003
00:48:01,274 --> 00:48:03,314
Speaker 1: to it, input it. We're going to have a link

1004
00:48:03,354 --> 00:48:05,954
Speaker 1: in the show notes for where you can buy Miranda

1005
00:48:05,994 --> 00:48:08,674
Speaker 1: July's book. And as we drop the other books, because

1006
00:48:08,674 --> 00:48:10,714
Speaker 1: we're still arguing about one of them, we'll let you

1007
00:48:10,794 --> 00:48:13,354
Speaker 1: know that too. If you just can't get enough of

1008
00:48:13,394 --> 00:48:16,394
Speaker 1: our Amelia Lester on out Loud, then we have another

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Speaker 1: podcast you need to listen to. It's our sister show

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Speaker 1: called Parenting out Loud, and it's everything parents are secretly

1011
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Speaker 1: thinking about right now. It drops once a week on

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Speaker 1: Saturday mornings, and it might be exactly what you need

1013
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Speaker 1: as you head into another hectic weekend. Amelia talks through

1014
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Speaker 1: the politics of the school group chat and lays down

1015
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Speaker 1: hosts cry with a very relatable take on one of

1017
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Speaker 1: the hardest parts of parenting you can never actually prepare for.

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Speaker 1: links in the show notes.

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Speaker 2: A big thank you to our team, our group executive

1022
00:48:55,234 --> 00:48:58,994
Speaker 2: producer Ruth Devine, executive producer sash Art Tanic.

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Speaker 3: Our senior audio producer is Leah Porge's, our video producer

1024
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Speaker 3: is Josh Green, and our junior content producer is Tessa

1025
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Speaker 3: Bye Bye Bye Mama.

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Speaker 1: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which

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Speaker 1: we've recorded this podcast.