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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Mamma Mia out Loud on a

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Speaker 2: Nothing from the news cycle here. Today is Friday, the

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Speaker 1: I'm mea Friedman and I'm Jesse Stephens.

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Speaker 2: And on Today's show, when you're a famous woman and

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Speaker 2: it seems like the whole world is mocking you, what's

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Speaker 2: your next move? Welcome to being Katy Perry right now.

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Speaker 2: Recommendations for the weekend, including the TV twist that made

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Speaker 2: Me cry, a show the Outloud has been clamoring to recommend,

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Speaker 2: and something from Jesse's House, and our best and Worst

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Speaker 2: of the week, which include microaggressions, shopping toddlers, and some

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Speaker 2: beautiful words. But first me a Freedman.

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Speaker 1: In case you missed it, there are some things that

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't put in your vagina?

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Speaker 3: Is this like from an emergency department perspective.

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Speaker 1: It's from a women's health coach. Her name is Julia G. Wellness,

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Speaker 1: and she made a TikTok about how important it is

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Speaker 1: not to disrupt the microbiome of your vagina by putting

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Speaker 1: things in there like deodorized products or douches or anything fragrance.

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Speaker 1: She also said tobacco. I can't imagine that people are

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Speaker 1: putting tobacco in apparently garlic.

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Speaker 3: That's a myth that if you put garlic up there,

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Speaker 3: then it's going to sort out your thrush or something. Okay,

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Speaker 3: that is to clarify our myth.

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Speaker 1: She also said don't steam it.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: This was all good advice. I don't think anyone could

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Speaker 1: argue with it. But then a comedian called Ariana de

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Speaker 1: Lorenzo did a stitch on TikTok a little while later

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Speaker 1: and posted that video, but wanted to add some of

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Speaker 1: her own suggestions for what not to put in your vagina,

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Speaker 1: and she said, do not put finance bros In there,

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Speaker 1: or people who ghost you, or an X of any kind,

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Speaker 1: and that's not good for the home. Era kicked off

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Speaker 1: and there were some great, great additions to our list

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Speaker 1: of what not to put in our vaginas bartenders. A

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Speaker 1: very popular suggestion was drummers. Don't put drummers in your vagina.

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Speaker 1: Men who hold fish in photos, Magicians.

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Speaker 3: I've met a lovely magician.

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Speaker 1: Did you put them in your vagina?

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Speaker 3: I didn't, but I would have you could have.

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Speaker 2: Okay, are there any men on a yes list.

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Speaker 1: Like men who drive cyber trucks? No, don't put them

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Speaker 1: in there. And then I don't agree with this. Someone

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Speaker 1: said the five p's, pilots, physicians, policemen, paramedics, and PA's.

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Speaker 1: I think that's unreasonable.

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Speaker 2: Think of all the fun you're going to miss out

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Speaker 2: on if you follow this advice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true.

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Speaker 2: Not everybody who goes in your vagina needs to be

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Speaker 2: a good choice, was saying.

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Speaker 1: Someone said j names, which really is casting the net

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Speaker 1: very wide and would mean that I'd have no children.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think anyone who when you've asked them if

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Speaker 3: they like you and then they have sighed because they've

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Speaker 3: found that question annoying, I would say they're not allowed in.

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Speaker 3: I think that no, no, no, no, no. But I

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Speaker 3: think anytime we remind women that you vagina is in

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Speaker 1: I got the.

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Speaker 3: Katy Perry is the most mocked woman in the world

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Speaker 3: right now. First it was Woman's World, intended to be

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Speaker 3: was accused of drugging and raping pop star kesher. Then

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Speaker 3: she did a quick dash to space, singing to the crew,

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Speaker 3: which was positioned as some kind of feminist accomplishment, when

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Speaker 3: really it was a big ad for Jeff Bezos, who

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Speaker 3: the rich people who want to exit Earth asap. Even

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Speaker 3: Wendy's the Fast Food Giant tweeted, can we send her back?

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Speaker 3: Referring to Perry being left in space? Now it's the

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Speaker 3: Lifetimes tour. Have you two seen clips of her most

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Speaker 2: I have so. Now, anytime there's a major tour, you

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Speaker 2: And I've seen a lot of Katie Perry's dancing with

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Speaker 3: Yes, right, So to sum up the sentiment, there are

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Speaker 3: knowing her choreography or performing unusual choreography, looking fatigued. Some

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Speaker 3: are saying she has no budget, and there's a trend

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Speaker 3: going around of showing things like Pink's acrobatics or something

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Speaker 3: she's allegedly stolen from Taylor Swift. She has a board

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Speaker 3: something Sabrina Carpenter did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there are also parts like there's a whole sequence

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Speaker 1: the stage and some of the dance moves do not

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Speaker 2: Performed on Anyone who saw our Perth show last week

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Speaker 3: The theme of Lifetimes is Katy Perry versus the Robots,

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Speaker 3: but for the first few concerts Ai imagery was used

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Speaker 3: just looked a bit hypocritical. The backlash got so bad

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Speaker 3: that Perry had to address it. She told her Instagram

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Speaker 3: followers that she was dealing with illness while performing in

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Speaker 3: have my own theories about what's going on with Katy Perry,

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Speaker 3: but first I wanted to explore whether the criticism is fair.

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Speaker 3: Because Katy Perry is coming to Australia in a few months.

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Speaker 3: The tickets most people got would have been like one

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Speaker 3: you went and you felt like you were given a

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Speaker 2: I have a question which about that, which is do

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Speaker 2: the people who have seen the show like the audiences

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Speaker 2: who are going. Are they coming out of their happy

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Speaker 2: or not? Because all the snarky clips I've seen, obviously

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Speaker 2: seen blanket statement that fans felt ripped off. That is

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Speaker 2: not what I've seen. I've just seen lots of snarky

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Speaker 3: It's really hard to get a sense of scope because

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Speaker 2: I wonder if it's truly representative in that way, and

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Speaker 2: whether what Katie Perry is doing on her tour like

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Speaker 2: public eye. A lot of people are going to just

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Speaker 2: have a great night to sing songs that they've got

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Speaker 2: and I think we'll talk about Beyonce a little bit later.

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Speaker 2: But the way that live shows are sold now is

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Speaker 2: like self harm for artists because it's dynamic pricing. The

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Speaker 2: tickets are ridiculously expensive. All of this is too expensive.

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Speaker 2: You have to be an absolute super fan to fork

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Speaker 2: out hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and even then there's

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Speaker 2: to go. So I think that touring now is more

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Speaker 2: I watch these videos, I just feel sick for her

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Speaker 2: because what I'm watching, whether it is that she is

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Speaker 2: rehearsed or whatever, she has no choice them to be

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Speaker 2: I'm not going, and just that feeling. Maybe I overempathize

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Speaker 3: Are unwell or even if you want to be in

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Speaker 3: you for the Blue Origin thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what's interesting is that the world has decided collectively,

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Speaker 2: it seems, and not just since Blue Origin, but since

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Speaker 2: the Woman's World video and her sort of comeback that

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Speaker 2: Katie Perry is deeply on cool right, That now seems

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Speaker 1: Well, as you say, the narrative has been set and

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Speaker 1: In some ways, Katie is a pop star of a

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Speaker 1: different time. Her shtick's always been high camp, like the

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Speaker 1: what you say about now TikTok and critics. The impression

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Speaker 1: some who like it, some who don't, some who are

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Speaker 1: viral for something that they're posting. Right, So, I've also

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Speaker 1: seen a couple of clips which haven't been surfacing in

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Speaker 1: my algorithm nearly as much as the bad ones of her,

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Speaker 3: That's an interesting point because she's been accused of copying

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Speaker 3: the big stars. Like the acrobatics. People are going, well,

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Speaker 3: is trying to evolve and the pressure on female pop stars.

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Speaker 3: Rolling Stone wrote a piece about this, how the pressure

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Speaker 3: Like men don't have that same expectation.

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Speaker 2: Yeahd s and he just goes out with his guitar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah go yeah. I looked at also the running time

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Speaker 1: without referencing Taylor Swift too, is completely not just raised

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Speaker 2: Also, the audience don't care. They just want to go

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Speaker 2: But in this case, it is Beyonce, it is Katy Perry.

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Speaker 2: Is it fair to be compared to the Charlie Xx's,

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Speaker 2: like should the old in inverted commas artist be trying

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Speaker 3: Because one criticism I've seen of Katy Perry, and this

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Speaker 3: There's agism, I think inherent in this, which is that

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Speaker 3: It's a different thing.

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Speaker 2: So I think if you're an artist, who you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think that the pop of it all,

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Speaker 2: And it was brilliant.

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Speaker 3: She was so good her voice. And this is what

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Speaker 1: But our pop stars are getting older and it gets harder.

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Speaker 1: You know, Katie Perry's in her forties. Beyonce's in her forties. Interestingly,

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Speaker 3: But then I suppose Katie Perry is like the same

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Speaker 1: Thanks out loud us for not posting much to us

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Speaker 2: with any of the male icons. I suspect, yes, Justin

432
00:21:04,702 --> 00:21:07,582
Speaker 2: Timberlake copped it for his dad dancing.

433
00:21:07,742 --> 00:21:10,101
Speaker 3: Yeah, dad dancing, that's very good. I wreck the world

434
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Speaker 3: tour out Louders in a moment, a TV twist, a

435
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Speaker 3: reco all the out louders are talking about, and something

436
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Speaker 3: for your walls. It's our recommendations, vibes, ideas atosphere, something casual,

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Speaker 3: something fun. This is my best recommendation.

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Speaker 2: It's Friday. It's recommendations.

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Speaker 1: Mia.

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Speaker 2: You have a reco that I have seen all the

441
00:21:34,542 --> 00:21:37,302
Speaker 2: out louders talking about, but I don't know anything about it.

442
00:21:37,341 --> 00:21:38,501
Speaker 2: Tell me, tell me. So.

443
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Speaker 1: I saw a promo steal for four Seasons with Tina Fay,

444
00:21:43,581 --> 00:21:46,341
Speaker 1: and I assumed it was like a ripoff of White

445
00:21:46,341 --> 00:21:49,502
Speaker 1: Lotus because Four Seasons is a famous hotel chain. That's

446
00:21:49,502 --> 00:21:51,421
Speaker 1: not what it is at all. It's actually a TV

447
00:21:51,581 --> 00:21:55,181
Speaker 1: series that's a remake of a movie. By Alan Alda,

448
00:21:55,262 --> 00:21:57,942
Speaker 1: who some people will remember as Hawkeye in mash If

449
00:21:57,982 --> 00:22:00,782
Speaker 1: you are a gen X or a boomer, it tells

450
00:22:00,821 --> 00:22:05,381
Speaker 1: the story over eight episodes on Netflix of three couples

451
00:22:05,901 --> 00:22:10,341
Speaker 1: who go on holiday weirdly four times a year, which

452
00:22:10,381 --> 00:22:12,581
Speaker 1: seems like a lot to go on a couple's holiday,

453
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Speaker 1: And during one of these holidays, one of the couples

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Speaker 1: break up. He decides that he doesn't want to be

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Speaker 1: married anymore to her. It follows the couples over the

456
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Speaker 1: next twelve months. Every three months they get together, and

457
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Speaker 1: it shows the impact of that all been in long

458
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Speaker 1: term marriages. There's a same sex couple with Common Domingo

459
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Speaker 1: and another actor. There's Tina Fey and Will Forte, and

460
00:22:34,942 --> 00:22:37,861
Speaker 1: then there's Steve Carell and his wife who he leaves

461
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Speaker 1: for a younger woman who's an influencer. Text Danny and

462
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Speaker 1: Claude Eta four point thirty one. Please be ready, Danny says,

463
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Speaker 1: you are not the boss of me.

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Speaker 3: I will emerge when the magic hour late is perfect.

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Speaker 1: Take me the car. You've been friends for thirty years.

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Speaker 1: I love all of you.

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Speaker 2: All of you plus.

468
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Speaker 1: Please do not talk about your other hotter friend group.

469
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Speaker 2: But hur's my feelings.

470
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Speaker 1: I know that that's so hot.

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Speaker 3: Are you guys happy?

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Speaker 2: What kind of question is.

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Speaker 3: We sit in the same room, monitoring different screens. We're

474
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Speaker 3: like co workers at a nuclear facility.

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Speaker 1: So it looks at the impact of when one person

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Speaker 1: in your friend group breaks up, what it does to

477
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Speaker 1: everybody else? And is it a comedy that yeah, yeah,

478
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Speaker 1: it's a comedy. What I love about it is that

479
00:23:31,581 --> 00:23:34,341
Speaker 1: it's just easy to watch. There's no drama. It's nothing

480
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Speaker 1: like White Lotus in that there's no drama. No one dies.

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Speaker 1: I mean I'm not quite at the end, but I

482
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Speaker 1: don't think anyone's going to die. It's just the stuff

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Speaker 1: of life and the stuff of relationships. And if you've

484
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Speaker 1: ever been in a long term relationship, or if you

485
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Speaker 1: wish you were, it might make you feel better about

486
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Speaker 1: not being in one.

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Speaker 3: Where is its great? This is my weirdest recommendation of

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Speaker 3: all time. What if I told you that you don't

489
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Speaker 3: need to paint your walls, you just need to clean them.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, well that makes them a different color.

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Speaker 3: Well so my walls. I've just been looking at them

492
00:24:07,661 --> 00:24:10,542
Speaker 3: recently and there's like marks on them and keep thinking, oh,

493
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Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna have to paint dogs. We're gonna have

494
00:24:12,621 --> 00:24:14,821
Speaker 3: to the dogs and babies, and just even when we

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Speaker 3: moved in, like there are just kind of handprints all

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Speaker 3: of it, and I keep looking at them, going, this

497
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Speaker 3: is just annoying me. And then I was on Instagram

498
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Speaker 3: and I saw someone post something about selly sugar soap wipes. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so I saw them and I was like, you know what,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go buy them, and like they're less

501
00:24:34,742 --> 00:24:36,381
Speaker 3: in turn bucks, they're super super cheap. So I go

502
00:24:36,462 --> 00:24:39,622
Speaker 3: to my local mitor ten and I get my wipes

503
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Speaker 3: and one side cleans them and the other side really

504
00:24:42,581 --> 00:24:44,021
Speaker 3: cleans them. So I was like, all right, I'm going

505
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Speaker 3: to do it. It was so arousing. I've gone to

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Speaker 3: all of my because my walls are like an off

507
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Speaker 3: white and I'm just cleaning these walls. It looks like

508
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Speaker 3: I've painted my walls. They look so much fresher. It

509
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Speaker 3: is so exciting.

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Speaker 1: Do you have to get a ladder?

511
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Speaker 2: Because you're quite sure that's the only problem, because I'm

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00:25:03,581 --> 00:25:06,141
Speaker 2: with you. Yea's so true. My kids they are always

513
00:25:06,182 --> 00:25:08,061
Speaker 2: putting their hands on the walls. You know, they're running

514
00:25:08,101 --> 00:25:10,261
Speaker 2: to a room and the walls are grown. But then

515
00:25:10,302 --> 00:25:12,141
Speaker 2: I'm like, walls are big and wipes are small.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but the thing is that your kids can't get

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Speaker 3: to the roof, can they? And like, so it's like it's.

518
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Speaker 1: All the mess? Is it? Arm level?

519
00:25:20,742 --> 00:25:21,222
Speaker 2: Arm level?

520
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Speaker 3: And I reckon it has made such a difference. And

521
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Speaker 3: I've heard so many people say that they go to

522
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Speaker 3: paint their walls. They do this because you meant to

523
00:25:27,422 --> 00:25:29,182
Speaker 3: use this right before you paint them, and then they

524
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Speaker 3: do it and they're like, what the fuck. It's just

525
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Speaker 3: it is the funnest weekend activity you've changed.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, it's a domestic goddess.

527
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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: I love it fantastic.

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Speaker 2: My reco is for a TV show too, which is

530
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Speaker 2: the opposite of me, is because it's the most stressful

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Speaker 2: TV show I've watched in one hundred years. Old time

532
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Speaker 2: out louders will know that I recommended this show last time.

533
00:25:51,661 --> 00:25:52,702
Speaker 2: It was on the Last of Us.

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Speaker 1: This is where we live the.

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Speaker 2: Fence. What's insane?

536
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Speaker 4: People, By the time the sun comes up tomorrow, there's

537
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Speaker 4: a very good chance you'll be dead.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I can't. This is zombies, right, I can't.

539
00:26:23,621 --> 00:26:24,302
Speaker 3: I'm not a zombie.

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Speaker 2: Go So The Last of Us is a show It

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Speaker 2: has two strikes against it that you would stop you

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Speaker 2: from watching it if you didn't know how good it was.

543
00:26:31,061 --> 00:26:34,981
Speaker 2: One is the zombies, because Katie Peery is better than that.

544
00:26:35,621 --> 00:26:38,022
Speaker 2: One of zombies. It is about zombies. It's an apocalyptic

545
00:26:38,101 --> 00:26:40,742
Speaker 2: end of the world thing. And two, it is based

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Speaker 2: on a video game. So both of those things make.

547
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Speaker 1: Me go no.

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00:26:43,861 --> 00:26:48,621
Speaker 2: And yet the most brilliant show. Season one was so

549
00:26:48,782 --> 00:26:52,262
Speaker 2: huge Pedro Pascal Bella Ramsey. It is amazing. It's directed

550
00:26:52,302 --> 00:26:54,742
Speaker 2: by the guy a direct succession like this is high

551
00:26:54,861 --> 00:26:57,742
Speaker 2: level prestige TV. It is so good. Anyway, Season two

552
00:26:57,782 --> 00:26:59,502
Speaker 2: has just come back after a really long break because

553
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Speaker 2: Rider's strike and all that annoying stuff. I can't reveal

554
00:27:03,101 --> 00:27:05,821
Speaker 2: it because it's the biggest twist in TV of the year.

555
00:27:06,101 --> 00:27:07,782
Speaker 2: I've been looking forward to it, looking forward to it.

556
00:27:07,821 --> 00:27:09,742
Speaker 2: We've been traveling and everything. I'm like me and we're

557
00:27:09,742 --> 00:27:11,782
Speaker 2: gonna watch it together Friday night. It's going to be

558
00:27:11,821 --> 00:27:12,901
Speaker 2: so great. Can't wait.

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Speaker 1: Last of us.

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00:27:13,821 --> 00:27:17,061
Speaker 2: It's on Max, which is confusing because you know, things.

561
00:27:17,222 --> 00:27:20,341
Speaker 3: Good and wait, do we need a news streaming because.

562
00:27:20,101 --> 00:27:22,782
Speaker 2: Things from Binge have gone to Max and blah blah. Anyway,

563
00:27:22,821 --> 00:27:25,902
Speaker 2: it's on Max. So took me four hours to relog

564
00:27:25,982 --> 00:27:29,021
Speaker 2: in and do all that stuff sit down. The most

565
00:27:29,022 --> 00:27:32,502
Speaker 2: devastating plot twist of TV. I was in tears. Have

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00:27:32,581 --> 00:27:35,142
Speaker 2: you watched the whole season or is it dropping episode

567
00:27:35,182 --> 00:27:37,702
Speaker 2: to episode? And anyone who watched it knows what I'm

568
00:27:37,742 --> 00:27:39,502
Speaker 2: talking about. We're not going to spoil it here, but

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Speaker 2: the new premium cast member this year is the girl

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Speaker 2: who played Bell Gibson, Caitlin Diva, and she.

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Speaker 1: She plays Bell Gibson.

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00:27:49,141 --> 00:27:53,102
Speaker 2: So she enters the chat and just blows ship up.

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00:27:53,782 --> 00:27:57,022
Speaker 2: It is devastating. But if you like not everybody does,

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00:27:57,341 --> 00:28:00,581
Speaker 2: it doesn't. But if you like that engrossing TV, and

575
00:28:00,661 --> 00:28:02,462
Speaker 2: yes it is scary and dark and all those things,

576
00:28:02,502 --> 00:28:04,501
Speaker 2: but it's so great season two of the Last of Us,

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00:28:04,502 --> 00:28:06,022
Speaker 2: I can't recommend it more, but your.

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00:28:05,861 --> 00:28:09,542
Speaker 1: Heart will break.

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Speaker 3: I need to start it from the beginning.

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00:28:10,821 --> 00:28:12,022
Speaker 2: I all what started from the beginning.

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Speaker 1: It's so good.

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00:28:12,542 --> 00:28:15,222
Speaker 3: I'm just finishing the pit which has got me through

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Speaker 3: the last few weeks.

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Speaker 1: Just love it. I would be remiss not to recommend strife,

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00:28:19,341 --> 00:28:22,982
Speaker 1: which is bad goodness. Oh yeah, came back yesterday. That's

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00:28:23,022 --> 00:28:25,061
Speaker 1: season two, which is on Binge.

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00:28:25,222 --> 00:28:29,581
Speaker 2: This is what we're going to do. I gotta go

588
00:28:29,661 --> 00:28:32,022
Speaker 2: back to the office and pretann everything's fine and it's not.

589
00:28:32,982 --> 00:28:36,502
Speaker 2: My competition is launching that I clearly need help regulating

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00:28:36,502 --> 00:28:38,022
Speaker 2: my emotions, which are.

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Speaker 1: Come. I want hot topics.

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00:28:44,502 --> 00:28:49,182
Speaker 2: Punch your headlines made me break my thumb clicking so fast. Wellome,

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Speaker 2: we have entered the world of podcast.

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00:28:52,582 --> 00:28:55,221
Speaker 1: I think it's time that we name our meeting rooms

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00:28:55,262 --> 00:28:58,382
Speaker 1: after inspiring women. We need some more more call and

596
00:28:58,502 --> 00:29:04,701
Speaker 1: inspiring Australian woman Jermaine Angria. This is a great watch.

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00:29:04,862 --> 00:29:08,302
Speaker 1: This is fun. It's funny Season two. What I love

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Speaker 1: about season two. In season of a show, you have

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00:29:10,422 --> 00:29:12,501
Speaker 1: to do a lot of world building and introduce characters

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00:29:12,542 --> 00:29:15,342
Speaker 1: and explain who's what. In season two, you can just

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00:29:15,661 --> 00:29:18,782
Speaker 1: go in and get into the plot, into the characters.

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00:29:18,822 --> 00:29:21,102
Speaker 1: This looks a lot more into the life of Evelyn,

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00:29:21,142 --> 00:29:25,902
Speaker 1: who is running women's website and there are big competitors

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00:29:26,142 --> 00:29:29,622
Speaker 1: coming at her and she has to deal with issues

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00:29:29,661 --> 00:29:32,942
Speaker 1: of trolling and betrayal and cancelation for her team and

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00:29:33,782 --> 00:29:37,422
Speaker 1: they start podcasting. It's so good. I think you'll really

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00:29:37,502 --> 00:29:40,302
Speaker 1: like it. It's very funny. I like season two even

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00:29:40,342 --> 00:29:44,262
Speaker 1: better than season one. Strife started this week on Binge

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Speaker 1: and it's starting with one episode and then two to

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Speaker 1: two and then one at the end.

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Speaker 3: And Claire and I wrote episode two.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, make sure you watch after the break, micro Pettiness,

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Speaker 1: Tiny Copenhagen, Fashion and a year of healing. It is

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Speaker 1: best and worst.

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Speaker 3: Every Tuesday and Thursday we drop new segments of Mummy

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Speaker 3: Are out Loud just for MUMMYA subscribers. Follow the link

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Speaker 3: in the show notes to get your daily Joseph out

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Speaker 3: Loud And a big thank you to all our current subscribers.

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Speaker 1: For best and worst of the week, our peaks and

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Speaker 1: troughs of the week in our personal lives Holly, what's

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Speaker 1: your worst?

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Speaker 2: So in our live show last week in Perth we

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Speaker 2: talked about micro pettiness. Out Louders know what that is

624
00:30:34,702 --> 00:30:36,662
Speaker 2: because Jesse Stevens made a video about it that went

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Speaker 2: absolutely viral and out Louders gave us all their examples

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00:30:40,422 --> 00:30:44,862
Speaker 2: of tiny things you do as an active based aggression

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Speaker 2: petty aggression. So I discovered an act of micro pettiness

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Speaker 2: in my family this week. You know how in most couples,

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Speaker 2: right you know your family, you're working to a budget, whatever,

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Speaker 2: but you tend to be tight ass about different things.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so like I might be do we.

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00:31:01,262 --> 00:31:04,342
Speaker 2: Really need the craft beer or do we really need

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Speaker 2: you know? Actually I was I shouldn't admit this, but

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00:31:06,422 --> 00:31:08,782
Speaker 2: I was once like does Matilda really need braces or

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00:31:08,822 --> 00:31:12,902
Speaker 2: does she just need to top of But a place

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00:31:13,462 --> 00:31:15,542
Speaker 2: that I don't mind spending a bit of money is

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00:31:15,582 --> 00:31:18,542
Speaker 2: to have like decent food, right, yeah, But Brent does

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00:31:18,582 --> 00:31:21,702
Speaker 2: most of the shopping, and I've discovered that he likes

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00:31:21,742 --> 00:31:24,662
Speaker 2: to troll me by buying the two star mints instead

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00:31:25,022 --> 00:31:26,742
Speaker 2: of the four or five star mints.

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00:31:26,742 --> 00:31:28,701
Speaker 1: Is that because he can't taste the difference.

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00:31:28,302 --> 00:31:31,222
Speaker 2: He doesn't give a crap and he just goes, let's

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Speaker 2: save the money there. And the reason I found out

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Speaker 2: this was an act of micro pettiness is me and

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00:31:36,302 --> 00:31:38,661
Speaker 2: Billy were about to make Alasagner on Sunday, which is

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Speaker 2: something we do together, and I got the mints out

647
00:31:40,982 --> 00:31:42,622
Speaker 2: of the freezer and I saw it was two stars,

648
00:31:42,622 --> 00:31:44,742
Speaker 2: and my puff a fish started going and I went

649
00:31:44,742 --> 00:31:47,342
Speaker 2: to Brent and I was like, babe, and you know

650
00:31:47,422 --> 00:31:51,022
Speaker 2: that tone of voice where they know like, and he

651
00:31:51,182 --> 00:31:53,582
Speaker 2: was like, what did I do? But I could see

652
00:31:53,582 --> 00:31:56,702
Speaker 2: a little smile playing around his mouth.

653
00:31:56,862 --> 00:31:59,981
Speaker 1: God, He's like, I gotcha. He was trolling. I'm a vegetarian,

654
00:32:00,022 --> 00:32:02,582
Speaker 1: so I explained to me the difference between two star

655
00:32:02,702 --> 00:32:05,982
Speaker 1: and more star. Well, there was a sister.

656
00:32:06,462 --> 00:32:08,782
Speaker 2: There will be people who at me because I'm sure

657
00:32:08,862 --> 00:32:11,181
Speaker 2: that there are lots of very complicated things in this,

658
00:32:11,302 --> 00:32:15,862
Speaker 2: but basically like the higher the star, the better quality.

659
00:32:16,102 --> 00:32:18,622
Speaker 2: Maybe it's grass fed, maybe it's lower fat. Maybe is

660
00:32:18,661 --> 00:32:20,502
Speaker 2: this or that, And you know how you're like trying

661
00:32:20,542 --> 00:32:22,982
Speaker 2: to feel like you're feeding your kids the good stuff

662
00:32:23,022 --> 00:32:24,862
Speaker 2: and all that kind of thing. Brent is just like

663
00:32:24,902 --> 00:32:26,741
Speaker 2: that's the cheapest. I'm getting it. It's one of an

664
00:32:26,782 --> 00:32:29,582
Speaker 2: ongoing arguments of like that's not the place to scrimp,

665
00:32:29,582 --> 00:32:32,142
Speaker 2: and he's like, I've discovered that. Actually he's just trolling

666
00:32:32,182 --> 00:32:32,982
Speaker 2: me with the two stomachs.

667
00:32:32,982 --> 00:32:35,622
Speaker 3: See, my life hack is that I will go shopping

668
00:32:35,862 --> 00:32:39,462
Speaker 3: and you know, buy something that we've already got, buy

669
00:32:39,502 --> 00:32:42,221
Speaker 3: the more expensive tuna, whatever it is. And noy lucas

670
00:32:42,262 --> 00:32:46,102
Speaker 3: so much that now shopping is his job. Yeah, because

671
00:32:46,142 --> 00:32:47,862
Speaker 3: he goes, you can't be trusted. I'm like, I can't

672
00:32:47,862 --> 00:32:48,222
Speaker 3: be trying.

673
00:32:48,222 --> 00:32:50,981
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what Brent's doing. Yeah, maybe he's buying the

674
00:32:51,062 --> 00:32:53,461
Speaker 2: home brand tuna and the two star mints because he

675
00:32:53,622 --> 00:32:58,622
Speaker 2: knows that No, I'm sorry, this is not where we save.

676
00:32:58,702 --> 00:33:00,622
Speaker 2: Where do you save the dollar somewhere else?

677
00:33:00,862 --> 00:33:02,342
Speaker 1: What do you refuse to spend money on.

678
00:33:02,342 --> 00:33:03,822
Speaker 3: Matilda's teeth Matilda's tea?

679
00:33:04,022 --> 00:33:05,542
Speaker 1: For sure, it's just slightly fair.

680
00:33:05,622 --> 00:33:08,822
Speaker 2: My best is definitely for me has been my the

681
00:33:08,822 --> 00:33:11,021
Speaker 2: response to my book. I have to say, it's been

682
00:33:11,062 --> 00:33:13,102
Speaker 2: a week, and I want to thank the out Louders

683
00:33:13,142 --> 00:33:15,142
Speaker 2: because he would never has been out in the world

684
00:33:15,142 --> 00:33:18,182
Speaker 2: for a week. And I know how lucky I am

685
00:33:18,262 --> 00:33:20,461
Speaker 2: and we are that we have this community here of

686
00:33:20,502 --> 00:33:22,342
Speaker 2: people who are like, oh, I want to I want

687
00:33:22,382 --> 00:33:24,342
Speaker 2: to see what Polly's been talking about and working on.

688
00:33:24,462 --> 00:33:27,582
Speaker 2: And it's like it's a massive advantage to us. I'm

689
00:33:27,582 --> 00:33:30,461
Speaker 2: not gonna lie. It's I'm so grateful and appreciative of it.

690
00:33:30,462 --> 00:33:32,142
Speaker 2: And the Outlouders have all been buying it and talking

691
00:33:32,142 --> 00:33:33,862
Speaker 2: about it and sharing it, which just makes me feel

692
00:33:33,902 --> 00:33:38,382
Speaker 2: warm and fuzzy even better though, it's just feeling when

693
00:33:38,422 --> 00:33:40,542
Speaker 2: you're so nervous when you put anything out into the

694
00:33:40,542 --> 00:33:42,662
Speaker 2: world that you've worked so hard on, right, Like it's

695
00:33:42,982 --> 00:33:44,822
Speaker 2: we all know this, but when you've worked so hard

696
00:33:44,862 --> 00:33:47,941
Speaker 2: on something and you're alone doing it and you're second

697
00:33:47,942 --> 00:33:50,502
Speaker 2: guessing it all the time, and it messes with your mind,

698
00:33:50,661 --> 00:33:52,941
Speaker 2: and then it goes out and you hold your breath

699
00:33:52,942 --> 00:33:56,342
Speaker 2: and then people say this is good, like it's you know,

700
00:33:56,622 --> 00:34:00,421
Speaker 2: or this is interesting, or this may love it.

701
00:34:00,262 --> 00:34:02,582
Speaker 3: It may and you got your big deal review this week.

702
00:34:03,422 --> 00:34:05,902
Speaker 2: I did get a big page, which also made me

703
00:34:05,942 --> 00:34:09,942
Speaker 2: feel very warm, because you know, again to insecurities, you're like, oh,

704
00:34:10,022 --> 00:34:12,782
Speaker 2: you know, women's books don't usually get treated that seriously,

705
00:34:12,822 --> 00:34:15,702
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, and it just has been amazing.

706
00:34:16,062 --> 00:34:18,382
Speaker 3: Have you got you don't have to tell us figures,

707
00:34:18,382 --> 00:34:19,821
Speaker 3: but have you got week one numbers yet?

708
00:34:20,181 --> 00:34:22,022
Speaker 2: I haven't yet got week one numbers. I'm about to

709
00:34:22,022 --> 00:34:24,062
Speaker 2: get them. But it looks like it's doing great. It's

710
00:34:24,382 --> 00:34:25,302
Speaker 2: it's number one everywhere.

711
00:34:25,342 --> 00:34:27,861
Speaker 3: It's number one on Big Book. I think it's number

712
00:34:27,862 --> 00:34:30,422
Speaker 3: one on a best selling it's best selling.

713
00:34:31,102 --> 00:34:38,382
Speaker 2: Pushed Mel Robins off number one, the number one be

714
00:34:38,422 --> 00:34:39,542
Speaker 2: at number two for a while.

715
00:34:39,622 --> 00:34:41,821
Speaker 1: Let them be at number two. Mel Robins wouldn't mind.

716
00:34:41,822 --> 00:34:44,342
Speaker 1: She'd be like, so.

717
00:34:44,221 --> 00:34:47,781
Speaker 2: An enormous thank you appreciation to everybody who's supported it.

718
00:34:47,822 --> 00:34:49,861
Speaker 2: And if you haven't and you feel like a good book,

719
00:34:49,982 --> 00:34:50,422
Speaker 2: go buy it.

720
00:34:50,542 --> 00:34:50,701
Speaker 4: Go.

721
00:34:50,781 --> 00:34:51,781
Speaker 2: That's it for the hard set.

722
00:34:51,862 --> 00:34:55,062
Speaker 3: It's wonderful. It's getting great reviews from the outluders. My

723
00:34:55,382 --> 00:34:58,661
Speaker 3: worst is and it's a funny worst. But we have

724
00:34:58,781 --> 00:35:02,182
Speaker 3: been touring and our can we like our event boss,

725
00:35:02,221 --> 00:35:04,222
Speaker 3: our event manager? Is that what we'll call Lucy?

726
00:35:04,462 --> 00:35:06,102
Speaker 1: Friend and tour manager.

727
00:35:05,822 --> 00:35:07,902
Speaker 3: To a manager? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I worked with

728
00:35:07,982 --> 00:35:11,261
Speaker 3: Lucy years ago, as did you, Mom Maya, and she's

729
00:35:11,302 --> 00:35:13,622
Speaker 3: one of the best in the business. She's so good

730
00:35:13,622 --> 00:35:14,181
Speaker 3: at what she does.

731
00:35:14,221 --> 00:35:16,342
Speaker 1: But she didn't event producer and has her own company.

732
00:35:16,462 --> 00:35:20,022
Speaker 3: Yes, and Lucy Ormond her name is she. Last year,

733
00:35:20,062 --> 00:35:22,542
Speaker 3: when we were on tour for Mum Maya Out Loud Live,

734
00:35:23,221 --> 00:35:26,462
Speaker 3: she received a diagnosis. She was diagnosed with breast cancer.

735
00:35:26,502 --> 00:35:28,741
Speaker 3: And Lucy's in her mid thirties. She's a young woman,

736
00:35:28,822 --> 00:35:32,261
Speaker 3: a young, healthy woman, and she received that diagnosis and

737
00:35:32,302 --> 00:35:35,142
Speaker 3: it was shocking and awful and the last twelve months

738
00:35:35,142 --> 00:35:37,702
Speaker 3: have been what will probably be the hardest of her life,

739
00:35:37,741 --> 00:35:42,741
Speaker 3: like the treatment, the psychological impact, the isolation, moving back

740
00:35:42,741 --> 00:35:43,062
Speaker 3: in with her.

741
00:35:43,142 --> 00:35:45,622
Speaker 1: Mum, Well, that's what you thought, That's what I thought.

742
00:35:45,661 --> 00:35:48,381
Speaker 3: She thought, That's what I thought, right, And so you know,

743
00:35:48,462 --> 00:35:52,542
Speaker 3: we've been checking in and thinking of her so so much.

744
00:35:53,062 --> 00:35:55,741
Speaker 3: And then this week, because it's nearly been a year,

745
00:35:55,942 --> 00:35:58,341
Speaker 3: and from what I've heard, I'm like, it's great news,

746
00:35:58,462 --> 00:35:59,542
Speaker 3: great LuSE treatments.

747
00:35:59,822 --> 00:36:01,461
Speaker 2: Treatment's over, she's back on the tour.

748
00:36:01,582 --> 00:36:04,382
Speaker 3: She's back on the tour. She looks great, she looks healthy.

749
00:36:04,462 --> 00:36:06,781
Speaker 3: Lucy must be so relieved, and let's just jump back

750
00:36:06,822 --> 00:36:08,142
Speaker 3: into it, right. This is how I think of it,

751
00:36:08,142 --> 00:36:10,181
Speaker 3: as someone.

752
00:36:09,902 --> 00:36:12,062
Speaker 1: Done and radiation's done. Tick tick tick.

753
00:36:12,062 --> 00:36:14,741
Speaker 3: Yep, you're not bed bound, you're not vomiting. Like to

754
00:36:14,822 --> 00:36:18,382
Speaker 3: me as someone who's completely naive. I was just going great,

755
00:36:18,542 --> 00:36:21,262
Speaker 3: so excited to have Lucy back, and then she wrote

756
00:36:21,261 --> 00:36:24,262
Speaker 3: a sub stack. She's a beautiful writer this week called

757
00:36:24,342 --> 00:36:28,221
Speaker 3: a Year of Healing, and it was about what it

758
00:36:28,302 --> 00:36:31,142
Speaker 3: feels like when you've had that year. It's almost like

759
00:36:31,181 --> 00:36:35,661
Speaker 3: you've been running on adrenaline. There's this great analogy that

760
00:36:35,701 --> 00:36:39,022
Speaker 3: she uses about sort of being chased and chased and chased.

761
00:36:39,741 --> 00:36:43,781
Speaker 3: But now she's sitting there with the fallout going all right,

762
00:36:43,822 --> 00:36:45,981
Speaker 3: now I can live this life I've been fantasizing about

763
00:36:45,982 --> 00:36:48,422
Speaker 3: for the last twelve months. And she can't stop crying,

764
00:36:48,701 --> 00:36:56,221
Speaker 3: like she's totally emotionally and psychologically confronted by what'sened. Impacted

765
00:36:56,221 --> 00:37:01,861
Speaker 3: by changed and totally changed. Yeah, and she's realizing, Oh,

766
00:37:01,942 --> 00:37:03,701
Speaker 3: this isn't as simple as this is behind me and

767
00:37:03,741 --> 00:37:07,102
Speaker 3: I move on. I'm actually facing the reality of what

768
00:37:07,302 --> 00:37:11,462
Speaker 3: just happened. And she put words around something that I

769
00:37:11,502 --> 00:37:15,302
Speaker 3: have heard people with not just illnesses, but these horrific

770
00:37:15,342 --> 00:37:17,822
Speaker 3: life events that happen out of nowhere that no one deserves.

771
00:37:18,701 --> 00:37:20,701
Speaker 3: But to read her talking about it, I mean, I

772
00:37:20,781 --> 00:37:24,382
Speaker 3: was so grateful for that perspective, but it's my worst

773
00:37:24,502 --> 00:37:28,661
Speaker 3: because I was just reminded that it's not that simple

774
00:37:28,741 --> 00:37:31,821
Speaker 3: and that she's going to be emotionally processing this for

775
00:37:31,862 --> 00:37:33,661
Speaker 3: a while. I really liked how she called it a year,

776
00:37:33,701 --> 00:37:36,741
Speaker 3: like I'm giving myself a year to process this and

777
00:37:36,862 --> 00:37:39,261
Speaker 3: to recover, because it's not like when you're in the

778
00:37:39,302 --> 00:37:42,502
Speaker 3: midst of that you're resting either, Like imagine the impact

779
00:37:42,542 --> 00:37:45,781
Speaker 3: on your nervous system and everything. And now she's just going, oh,

780
00:37:45,822 --> 00:37:48,342
Speaker 3: that really happened. There's a link in the show notes.

781
00:37:48,502 --> 00:37:49,942
Speaker 3: Have a read of it. And especially if you've had

782
00:37:49,982 --> 00:37:53,421
Speaker 3: anyone in your life who's had a diagnosis or someone

783
00:37:53,422 --> 00:37:56,661
Speaker 3: close to them with a diagnosis who has really complicated feelings.

784
00:37:56,781 --> 00:37:58,342
Speaker 3: When they start getting good news.

785
00:37:58,142 --> 00:38:00,622
Speaker 1: There must be so many outluders, There are so many

786
00:38:00,661 --> 00:38:02,741
Speaker 1: outlouders who are going through this, who've been through this,

787
00:38:03,382 --> 00:38:05,582
Speaker 1: have people in their lives going through this. We all

788
00:38:05,622 --> 00:38:09,221
Speaker 1: wanted to make this recommendation because it is so incredible

789
00:38:09,221 --> 00:38:12,582
Speaker 1: to read. Please have a look at it, share it.

790
00:38:12,582 --> 00:38:14,301
Speaker 1: It's going to help a lot of people, I think

791
00:38:14,342 --> 00:38:16,741
Speaker 1: what she's doing, as well as helping her to sort

792
00:38:16,741 --> 00:38:18,382
Speaker 1: of process how she's been feeling.

793
00:38:18,622 --> 00:38:20,982
Speaker 2: And also if you've got someone in your life who

794
00:38:21,582 --> 00:38:25,022
Speaker 2: I think we all like to reach for a tidy bow. Yeah, yeah,

795
00:38:25,342 --> 00:38:27,382
Speaker 2: to reach for a tidy bow on the closure story

796
00:38:27,422 --> 00:38:29,421
Speaker 2: and we go it's fine now, as you said, Jesse,

797
00:38:29,582 --> 00:38:32,262
Speaker 2: but for so many women who are living with cancer,

798
00:38:32,422 --> 00:38:35,461
Speaker 2: you know it's not over. Like Lucy she wouldn't mind

799
00:38:35,462 --> 00:38:37,542
Speaker 2: me saying, but she's going to be on serious medication

800
00:38:37,661 --> 00:38:39,862
Speaker 2: for the rest of her life that impacts her in

801
00:38:39,902 --> 00:38:43,582
Speaker 2: different ways. And she is one of our great friends.

802
00:38:43,622 --> 00:38:47,142
Speaker 2: And I loved reading this because it was like seeing

803
00:38:47,302 --> 00:38:50,462
Speaker 2: a glimpse of all the things you love about somebody

804
00:38:51,062 --> 00:38:53,542
Speaker 2: and everybody else can see it too. But also I

805
00:38:53,622 --> 00:38:56,022
Speaker 2: just know how many people it will help. And there's

806
00:38:56,022 --> 00:38:56,422
Speaker 2: a gift.

807
00:38:56,462 --> 00:38:58,382
Speaker 3: It's called a year of healing and there's a lincolnw

808
00:38:58,382 --> 00:39:02,422
Speaker 3: show notes and my best is I spoke at a

809
00:39:02,462 --> 00:39:05,341
Speaker 3: girls high school most terrifying, or I've spoken in front

810
00:39:05,342 --> 00:39:05,741
Speaker 3: of a lot of.

811
00:39:05,661 --> 00:39:07,781
Speaker 2: Hats off to you, how many girls?

812
00:39:08,102 --> 00:39:10,701
Speaker 3: About a thousand, and I went to leave and I

813
00:39:10,741 --> 00:39:12,221
Speaker 3: was like, mate, you're going to want to look in

814
00:39:12,221 --> 00:39:13,982
Speaker 3: the mirror before you leave, because they're going to look

815
00:39:13,982 --> 00:39:16,142
Speaker 3: you up and down and go look at those shoes.

816
00:39:16,261 --> 00:39:17,781
Speaker 1: It would have been good if your self esteem was

817
00:39:17,781 --> 00:39:18,942
Speaker 1: too high and you just need to get.

818
00:39:18,862 --> 00:39:21,622
Speaker 3: Recalibrating exactly to just stand there and go.

819
00:39:21,701 --> 00:39:24,181
Speaker 1: And it's you know what, I'm too big for my boots. Yeah, yeah,

820
00:39:24,181 --> 00:39:25,662
Speaker 1: I'm going to stand up in front of a thousand

821
00:39:25,661 --> 00:39:26,622
Speaker 1: teen age girls.

822
00:39:26,942 --> 00:39:29,661
Speaker 3: It was a lot. But what was great about it

823
00:39:29,781 --> 00:39:32,102
Speaker 3: was I sat down and you know, I knew I

824
00:39:32,102 --> 00:39:34,422
Speaker 3: was speaking to them, and I thought, all right, what

825
00:39:34,422 --> 00:39:36,301
Speaker 3: are the three things that I would want to tell

826
00:39:36,342 --> 00:39:38,381
Speaker 3: myself at that age if I was fifteen and now

827
00:39:38,422 --> 00:39:41,502
Speaker 3: with in my mid thirties, What wisdom would I want

828
00:39:41,502 --> 00:39:43,142
Speaker 3: to impart? What lessons have I learned? And it was

829
00:39:43,261 --> 00:39:47,542
Speaker 3: just a really cathartic, reflective experience. And I felt as

830
00:39:47,542 --> 00:39:50,062
Speaker 3: though I could stand there because I still really remember

831
00:39:50,302 --> 00:39:53,301
Speaker 3: being that age, and I remember even walking in I

832
00:39:53,342 --> 00:39:55,062
Speaker 3: was just like, oh, I've got that feeling in my gut,

833
00:39:55,181 --> 00:40:01,182
Speaker 3: like it's the most intense, sometimes horrific times and sometimes

834
00:40:01,422 --> 00:40:04,542
Speaker 3: incredibly exciting times. But just looking at them, I was like, oh,

835
00:40:04,582 --> 00:40:06,062
Speaker 3: I did not envy you. I don't know what it's

836
00:40:06,102 --> 00:40:09,421
Speaker 3: what places like I wanted to be Like, wherever you are,

837
00:40:09,661 --> 00:40:11,181
Speaker 3: things get better, Like.

838
00:40:11,582 --> 00:40:13,821
Speaker 1: Just the level at which you have to have your

839
00:40:13,862 --> 00:40:16,661
Speaker 1: guard up at school, yeah, yeah, you go. Yeah, I

840
00:40:16,701 --> 00:40:19,622
Speaker 1: don't know, stake probably feel the stakes.

841
00:40:18,862 --> 00:40:21,982
Speaker 3: Feel so high anyway, And so I was thinking about

842
00:40:21,982 --> 00:40:23,861
Speaker 3: it and one of the things that I said was,

843
00:40:24,261 --> 00:40:26,462
Speaker 3: no matter where you go in life, whether it's in

844
00:40:26,502 --> 00:40:29,422
Speaker 3: an office or in a workplace or if you've you know,

845
00:40:29,862 --> 00:40:32,542
Speaker 3: got a profile on the Internet, people are going to

846
00:40:32,582 --> 00:40:35,102
Speaker 3: bitch about you behind your back, and you've got to

847
00:40:35,102 --> 00:40:36,582
Speaker 3: find a way to deal with it. I thought that

848
00:40:36,661 --> 00:40:38,382
Speaker 3: was something we'd leave in high school. But it's like

849
00:40:38,422 --> 00:40:40,462
Speaker 3: people are not going to like welcome to the Internet

850
00:40:40,542 --> 00:40:43,582
Speaker 3: in whatever context, even people who whether you work enoughers

851
00:40:43,701 --> 00:40:45,982
Speaker 3: or whatever. It's like, people aren't going to like you.

852
00:40:46,022 --> 00:40:47,701
Speaker 3: They're going to say awful things. The quicker you learn

853
00:40:47,741 --> 00:40:49,022
Speaker 3: how to deal with that, the better I.

854
00:40:48,942 --> 00:40:51,142
Speaker 2: Mean, that's such good advice, Jesse, because I think what

855
00:40:51,181 --> 00:40:53,221
Speaker 2: women do, and you know, I'm a people pleaser. I'm

856
00:40:53,221 --> 00:40:55,221
Speaker 2: certainly guilty of this if we think, if I'm just

857
00:40:55,422 --> 00:40:57,741
Speaker 2: nice enough, agreeable enough, whatever, then no one will bitch

858
00:40:57,781 --> 00:41:00,622
Speaker 2: about me. Ever, like we genuinely believe that there is

859
00:41:00,902 --> 00:41:02,982
Speaker 2: a way of existing that means that no one will

860
00:41:02,982 --> 00:41:05,062
Speaker 2: ever talk about you, and it's just actually.

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00:41:04,902 --> 00:41:07,382
Speaker 3: True, and high school is just maybe that's the big lesson,

862
00:41:07,982 --> 00:41:10,142
Speaker 3: is that people are going to say awful things. And

863
00:41:10,342 --> 00:41:12,262
Speaker 3: I don't think it ever gets worse than high school.

864
00:41:12,542 --> 00:41:14,381
Speaker 3: But it was a good reminder. It was a very

865
00:41:14,542 --> 00:41:17,022
Speaker 3: fun experience. Maya, what was your worst?

866
00:41:17,261 --> 00:41:20,301
Speaker 1: My worst is very superficial. I've been out trying to

867
00:41:20,302 --> 00:41:25,861
Speaker 1: buy clothes for Luna lately, because she's Luna. No no,

868
00:41:26,062 --> 00:41:27,022
Speaker 1: babies don't like shopping.

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00:41:27,622 --> 00:41:29,902
Speaker 2: I know that the great gift of someone new to

870
00:41:29,942 --> 00:41:31,261
Speaker 2: buy clothes for Jesse.

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00:41:31,781 --> 00:41:32,502
Speaker 1: It's wonderful.

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00:41:32,661 --> 00:41:34,301
Speaker 3: She you know, I got dress this morning and she

873
00:41:34,342 --> 00:41:36,462
Speaker 3: looked at me and went pretty dress. So I know

874
00:41:36,542 --> 00:41:38,261
Speaker 3: she's spending too much time with you because she's done

875
00:41:38,261 --> 00:41:39,181
Speaker 3: it complimenting me on.

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00:41:39,181 --> 00:41:41,422
Speaker 1: My favorite thing to do at my house is to

877
00:41:41,502 --> 00:41:43,502
Speaker 1: just go through her clothes and just look at them.

878
00:41:43,542 --> 00:41:46,341
Speaker 1: It's wild. I went to buy clothes for her because

879
00:41:46,382 --> 00:41:48,942
Speaker 1: she's at that stage where she's not a baby anymore.

880
00:41:49,982 --> 00:41:52,022
Speaker 1: She's not quite a little girl, like it's that sort

881
00:41:52,062 --> 00:41:55,661
Speaker 1: of middle stage. And what I discovered was that there's

882
00:41:55,701 --> 00:41:58,742
Speaker 1: little baby's clothes that sort of go up to eighteen

883
00:41:58,781 --> 00:42:01,741
Speaker 1: months and then it's like three year olds. Then it's

884
00:42:01,822 --> 00:42:05,542
Speaker 1: like proper clothes, and those proper clothes tend to be

885
00:42:05,701 --> 00:42:07,862
Speaker 1: like just shrunken. In a lot of places, its just

886
00:42:07,902 --> 00:42:11,462
Speaker 1: shrunken down version of adult clothes. It's like leopard print,

887
00:42:11,741 --> 00:42:19,821
Speaker 1: graphic teas, cargo peascirts, pretend added us sad how active wear.

888
00:42:20,942 --> 00:42:24,341
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I can't dress like my two year

889
00:42:24,382 --> 00:42:29,781
Speaker 1: old granddaughter is really awkward probably what could? It was

890
00:42:29,862 --> 00:42:33,622
Speaker 1: quite confronting for me, and I also I'm really stripped

891
00:42:33,622 --> 00:42:35,701
Speaker 1: in my mind. I'm a dressed your kid however you want.

892
00:42:35,741 --> 00:42:39,381
Speaker 1: But I don't like buying clothes for kids that look

893
00:42:39,462 --> 00:42:42,102
Speaker 1: like adult clothes. I don't like kids wearing black. I

894
00:42:42,142 --> 00:42:45,022
Speaker 1: don't like killings in my world wearing black. Little kids.

895
00:42:45,221 --> 00:42:47,302
Speaker 1: Thought that, Oh my god, no, it makes me upset.

896
00:42:48,982 --> 00:42:52,782
Speaker 1: I'm even funny about jeans until a certain age really again,

897
00:42:52,862 --> 00:42:57,261
Speaker 1: I don't know. She's very cute. She's old enough now.

898
00:42:57,302 --> 00:42:59,861
Speaker 1: But when people put like newborns in jeans, I'm just like,

899
00:43:00,661 --> 00:43:03,102
Speaker 1: let them here, baby, let them be comfortable jeans.

900
00:43:03,102 --> 00:43:05,222
Speaker 3: I can't believe you have opinions on babies clothes.

901
00:43:05,582 --> 00:43:09,261
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I do so many. I've found a

902
00:43:09,302 --> 00:43:13,022
Speaker 1: few labels that make like, I think, little kids, particularly

903
00:43:13,062 --> 00:43:15,181
Speaker 1: little girls, maybe little boys, if they want, should be

904
00:43:15,261 --> 00:43:19,062
Speaker 1: dressed like glitter rainbows. Really, that's that's my vibe. And

905
00:43:19,142 --> 00:43:21,301
Speaker 1: so I'm just buying all these clothes for Luna.

906
00:43:21,542 --> 00:43:23,182
Speaker 3: So that's her, you're just checking.

907
00:43:23,542 --> 00:43:27,261
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I just said it for you. Yeah, I know,

908
00:43:27,382 --> 00:43:29,542
Speaker 1: Jesse can put her in whatever she wants. But the

909
00:43:29,582 --> 00:43:31,622
Speaker 1: good thing is that Jesse and I aren't judge you

910
00:43:31,781 --> 00:43:33,901
Speaker 1: like I'm never judging about what she wears. I mean

911
00:43:33,942 --> 00:43:36,262
Speaker 1: often in summer she just goes between the two houses

912
00:43:36,261 --> 00:43:38,341
Speaker 1: in a nappy essentially now she needs but now it's

913
00:43:38,342 --> 00:43:40,421
Speaker 1: a bit colder, so we have to lift the bar

914
00:43:40,502 --> 00:43:40,741
Speaker 1: a bit.

915
00:43:40,822 --> 00:43:43,301
Speaker 3: But so apparently two twos are central to the.

916
00:43:43,942 --> 00:43:46,381
Speaker 1: She's so many the age of two twos, and she's

917
00:43:46,462 --> 00:43:48,821
Speaker 1: quite into it once they stop crawling, because it's hard

918
00:43:48,862 --> 00:43:50,982
Speaker 1: throw them to wear dresses. And stuff. Once they're walking,

919
00:43:51,062 --> 00:43:54,102
Speaker 1: you've got a lot more options. So anyway, that's yeah,

920
00:43:54,181 --> 00:43:56,661
Speaker 1: kind of my worst in a way, My best is

921
00:43:56,701 --> 00:43:59,701
Speaker 1: that I just love working in women's media. It has

922
00:43:59,741 --> 00:44:02,181
Speaker 1: been such a fun week in the office. There have

923
00:44:02,302 --> 00:44:05,901
Speaker 1: been baby showers, there have been baby announcements, there has

924
00:44:05,982 --> 00:44:09,022
Speaker 1: been the Strife launch. Ash Keady and Bruna pap Andrea

925
00:44:09,102 --> 00:44:10,582
Speaker 1: came into the office. We did a big Q and

926
00:44:10,622 --> 00:44:13,941
Speaker 1: A with the team, as well as recording some podcasts

927
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Speaker 1: with them. It was the met Gala this week.

928
00:44:16,942 --> 00:44:18,022
Speaker 2: So high energy.

929
00:44:18,102 --> 00:44:20,741
Speaker 1: It was such high energy. Just who gets to go

930
00:44:20,781 --> 00:44:23,901
Speaker 1: to work and have the met Gala on TV? You know,

931
00:44:23,982 --> 00:44:27,461
Speaker 1: for four hours on a work day, that is everyone's work.

932
00:44:27,502 --> 00:44:29,382
Speaker 2: Did you know they were working their asses off? But

933
00:44:29,542 --> 00:44:32,341
Speaker 2: every five minutes they're going Like Amy Leewood came onto

934
00:44:32,382 --> 00:44:35,622
Speaker 2: the cup and literally the whole office was like whooping.

935
00:44:35,902 --> 00:44:36,142
Speaker 1: Yeah.

936
00:44:36,181 --> 00:44:37,901
Speaker 3: Did you see the reel that Mum Maya made where

937
00:44:37,902 --> 00:44:39,542
Speaker 3: they went around and us and met in the office.

938
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Speaker 3: What the met Gala was? It was very good.

939
00:44:42,942 --> 00:44:45,822
Speaker 1: Marrek Watts was in the office. He was doing some content.

940
00:44:46,022 --> 00:44:49,582
Speaker 1: He's got this drink called Posca. That was funny him commentating.

941
00:44:50,102 --> 00:44:52,022
Speaker 1: It was just an absolute CAC.

942
00:44:52,661 --> 00:44:55,262
Speaker 2: Thank you out louders for being with us through another

943
00:44:55,422 --> 00:44:58,102
Speaker 2: amazing week. We can't wait to see you next week

944
00:44:58,142 --> 00:45:01,262
Speaker 2: in Brisbane and Sydney. People who are coming to the shows,

945
00:45:01,302 --> 00:45:02,701
Speaker 2: of course, they'll be a link in the show notes.

946
00:45:02,701 --> 00:45:04,142
Speaker 2: If there are any tickets left, I don't know if

947
00:45:04,142 --> 00:45:04,501
Speaker 2: there are.

948
00:45:04,422 --> 00:45:06,382
Speaker 3: Books at them for few.

949
00:45:06,942 --> 00:45:09,102
Speaker 2: And a massive thank you to our team Jesse and

950
00:45:09,261 --> 00:45:10,702
Speaker 2: Me tell us who they are.

951
00:45:11,102 --> 00:45:13,942
Speaker 3: A big thank you to group executive producer Ruth Divine.

952
00:45:14,022 --> 00:45:15,422
Speaker 1: She was very popular in perf.

953
00:45:15,542 --> 00:45:18,901
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, executive producer Emmeline Gazillis.

954
00:45:19,342 --> 00:45:21,222
Speaker 2: She wasn't allowed to be out there. She was locked

955
00:45:21,221 --> 00:45:22,542
Speaker 2: away in a box.

956
00:45:22,582 --> 00:45:26,381
Speaker 1: And we have some lovely news about em. Produce were allowed. Yes,

957
00:45:27,221 --> 00:45:29,421
Speaker 1: she's pregnant. My announcement.

958
00:45:29,741 --> 00:45:30,861
Speaker 3: She surprised.

959
00:45:31,542 --> 00:45:33,741
Speaker 1: So that's our best. Yeah, she did so she did.

960
00:45:33,942 --> 00:45:35,982
Speaker 1: It was very funny. They pretended they wanted to take

961
00:45:35,982 --> 00:45:38,422
Speaker 1: a photo of us, got us in the office. We

962
00:45:38,422 --> 00:45:41,062
Speaker 1: were standing there with em and then she went I'm

963
00:45:41,062 --> 00:45:42,941
Speaker 1: having a baby, and we all got very excited. We're

964
00:45:42,942 --> 00:45:44,022
Speaker 1: going to be podcast aunties.

965
00:45:44,102 --> 00:45:46,262
Speaker 2: That was so funny because we were all just happily

966
00:45:46,302 --> 00:45:50,861
Speaker 2: doing what Ruth was telling us to do, and then

967
00:45:50,862 --> 00:45:52,781
Speaker 2: we were like sure, Ruth says, we'll do it, and

968
00:45:52,822 --> 00:45:56,221
Speaker 2: then we were like, so make sure you congratulate em

969
00:45:56,261 --> 00:45:58,381
Speaker 2: if you are coming to the tour and you see her.

970
00:45:58,701 --> 00:46:02,142
Speaker 2: Our audio producer is Leah Porgi's video producer Josh Green,

971
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Speaker 2: and our junior content producers are Coco and Tessa.

972
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Speaker 1: We'll see you next week.

973
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Speaker 3: Bye bye, bye, out louders. If you're ready to say goodbye,

974
00:46:10,622 --> 00:46:12,542
Speaker 3: we have a little treat for you. We thought we'd

975
00:46:12,622 --> 00:46:15,022
Speaker 3: leave you with a bit of a conversation from a

976
00:46:15,022 --> 00:46:17,382
Speaker 3: subscriber episode. I am very excited to listen to this

977
00:46:17,422 --> 00:46:21,102
Speaker 3: one because it's Holly and Vernon and Amelia Lester discussing

978
00:46:21,181 --> 00:46:23,741
Speaker 3: a piece on Mom and Maya, A brilliant piece. I

979
00:46:23,822 --> 00:46:26,462
Speaker 3: read it called what If Love Never finds You? And

980
00:46:26,542 --> 00:46:29,582
Speaker 3: it's about the fear that you might never meet anyone.

981
00:46:29,701 --> 00:46:32,181
Speaker 3: This fear for me was so palpable for a long time.

982
00:46:32,261 --> 00:46:34,902
Speaker 2: There's a point in that subsept when Amelia Lessa just

983
00:46:34,902 --> 00:46:37,902
Speaker 2: says to me, Holly, do you know how insufferable you sound?

984
00:46:37,982 --> 00:46:38,341
Speaker 3: Right now?

985
00:46:40,102 --> 00:46:42,582
Speaker 2: Go and listen and find out just what I said

986
00:46:43,302 --> 00:46:43,942
Speaker 2: say that to me.

987
00:46:44,422 --> 00:46:45,782
Speaker 3: There's a link in the show notes.

988
00:46:46,302 --> 00:46:47,102
Speaker 2: Shout out to.

989
00:46:47,142 --> 00:46:50,342
Speaker 1: Any Muma Mia subscribers listening. If you love the show

990
00:46:50,582 --> 00:46:53,181
Speaker 1: and want to support us as well, subscribing to MoMA

991
00:46:53,261 --> 00:46:55,462
Speaker 1: Miya is the very best way to do so. There

992
00:46:55,502 --> 00:46:57,221
Speaker 1: is a link in the episode description