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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome for Nothing to Wear, the podcast that
Speaker 2: solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe.
Speaker 1: I'm Lee Camberllan.
Speaker 2: Every week I chat to an expert who helps us
Speaker 2: work out how to get more out of the clothes
Speaker 2: you already own and tells us what is and isn't
Speaker 2: worth adding to our wardrobes. Now, before I get started,
Speaker 2: stick around to the very end, because there's an extra
Speaker 2: segment on this episode, The Wonder for Me of Freedman
Speaker 2: and I don't just say that because she's my boss,
Speaker 2: is coming to sit down with me and we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about pre Loved. It's the new financial year.
Speaker 2: We might have overspent, we might want to just save
Speaker 2: some money, or we might just want some unique outfits
Speaker 2: or to clear out our wardrobes. So we're going to
Speaker 2: talk about pre Loved buying and selling to do it?
Speaker 2: Where to look if it's overwhelming. We're going to cover
Speaker 2: it all. But first, I've got Kim Crowley joining me.
Speaker 2: She's been on the show a couple of times before,
Speaker 2: and she is a virgo. I had to ask her
Speaker 2: because she's so clever and strategic when it comes to shopping,
Speaker 2: getting dressed and saving money. So it's a new financial year.
Speaker 2: You might have blown the budget, but that's okay.
Speaker 1: It's a new year.
Speaker 2: So we're going to talk about saving money, doing a
Speaker 2: wardrobe audit, and then her very interesting four by four
Speaker 2: methods got nothing to do with cars, So let's jump
Speaker 2: into it.
Speaker 1: Kim, welcome back. I'm so excited. This is your third time?
Speaker 3: Is that a fourth? Yes, it's great that I'm using
Speaker 3: count I love it exactly.
Speaker 1: That means we love you.
Speaker 2: The returning guests, well, I've got various questions, but one
Speaker 2: that I want to ask you is do you have
Speaker 2: a fashion security blanket? And if so, what is it?
Speaker 3: That's a great question. My trench coat is a really
Speaker 3: well loved piece. Actually put it from ced A. Just
Speaker 3: go it to toffee color cotton. I get compliments on
Speaker 3: it every time.
Speaker 1: I wear You say toffee, Why I say toffee? Like
Speaker 1: not ten not brown?
Speaker 3: Because I love food as well, so I can associate
Speaker 3: any colors with food. I love it even more. But
Speaker 3: it's this beautiful toffee color. It's really rich color and
Speaker 3: it goes with everything. I have to actually stop myself
Speaker 3: wearing it.
Speaker 1: So you can wear your other things exactly because.
Speaker 3: I want to wear more of my clothes.
Speaker 4: It's security blank.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a bit security blank it, especially at
Speaker 3: the moment it's chilly and you can wrap yourself up
Speaker 3: because that cotton actually does help the wind not get
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of it's not waterproof or wind proof,
Speaker 1: but it really does that kind much better. Tighten fine fiber, yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: really tightly woven, so it's actually a bit protective. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then light waiting it where.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just living in it.
Speaker 3: I know it's winter, but god, I love it even
Speaker 3: for the summer. I love like waiting it where too.
Speaker 2: So, Kim, you've been in the industry for over twenty years,
Speaker 2: which is bizarre. You must have been like eleven when
Speaker 2: you start. Of course you worked as a designer, so
Speaker 2: anyone that's listened to the show before will know that.
Speaker 1: And then for brands like H and M. A source yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say age and m and I didn't
Speaker 1: know that I'm as.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right at the beginning when A soos was
Speaker 3: literally much more about Paris Hilton. Yes, yeah, just literally
Speaker 3: replicate like I've.
Speaker 1: Seen screen, yeah, magazine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy thinking about then and how much it's evolved.
Speaker 1: But then you also work with real people, so well,
Speaker 1: you have all shapes and sizes absolutely, So what are
Speaker 1: some of the common things women that you've worked with
Speaker 1: over the decades and all walks of live share when
Speaker 1: it comes to clothes and style.
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, so many things that we all share. It's funny,
Speaker 3: there's this kind of like, so many things that we
Speaker 3: all share, and then when we get deeper, we're very
Speaker 3: different in lots of different ways, but there is a big,
Speaker 3: big area that we all share. A lot of it
Speaker 3: is not knowing how to shop, so being able to
Speaker 3: understand how to you know, shop strategically, not emotionally. But
Speaker 3: one of the biggest biggest things then, aren't you and
Speaker 3: it is you know, we have to change the way
Speaker 3: that we've been behaving for decades, and that's what I'm
Speaker 3: trying to plant seeds for a lot of my clients
Speaker 3: but one of the biggest, biggest things is the ability
Speaker 3: to buy stuff but not put the clothes into outfits.
Speaker 3: That's one of the biggest things that I deal with
Speaker 3: all the time. So lots of people can buy lots
Speaker 3: of stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh god, I'm fabulous that it shopping wrong. Then
Speaker 1: that's where you can't get dressed.
Speaker 3: Exactly because you haven't got the outfit. So the whole
Speaker 3: nothing to wear concept is, you know, you look at
Speaker 3: your wardrobe and it's stacked, and it's all packed, but
Speaker 3: we've got nothing to wear is often because we haven't
Speaker 3: found the outfit yet. And that's so much of what
Speaker 3: brings me do. It really does light me up when
Speaker 3: I'm in wardrobes. In fact, I had two of them yesterday.
Speaker 3: I had a female client and male client and they're like,
Speaker 3: I've got loads of stuff, but I can't find the outfits.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, have you done that? Have you
Speaker 3: done that?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because a lot of us will get say a dress,
Speaker 3: and then we'll put it with the black blades and
Speaker 3: black shoe and it's like, I've done that. Look, I'm
Speaker 3: really bored of it, I know. And then I'm like,
Speaker 3: how have you put it? With this blazer. They work perfect. Oh, yes,
Speaker 3: because a lot of the time what we do when
Speaker 3: we purchase we put things in boxes in our heads.
Speaker 3: You know that lighter blazer is a wedding blazer and
Speaker 3: this dress is a sexy date night dress. Yes, we
Speaker 3: don't think that the two can coexist or pair together,
Speaker 3: and so I want to be able to go in
Speaker 3: and go. Of course it does, because I don't see
Speaker 3: the barriers. I don't see like how you think that
Speaker 3: your wardrobe fresh eye. I'm like, ah, this goes with this,
Speaker 3: This goes with this, this goes with this.
Speaker 2: Because you said it's how to shop, so is how
Speaker 2: do we fix that problem at the shopping stage so
Speaker 2: it doesn't happen in the wardrobe stage.
Speaker 3: That is a lot of it is fixed by my
Speaker 3: four by four formula.
Speaker 1: Oh, we're going to talk about that later.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, cool, Yes, I want to talk about that
Speaker 2: later because I'm terrible at maths and you love numbers,
Speaker 2: but you're going to teach me something. It's a new
Speaker 2: financial year, which I love. The first of julight, Oh,
Speaker 2: you know, the start of the new financial year. Because
Speaker 2: I've had quite.
Speaker 1: A crappy start to the year.
Speaker 2: Not fashion related, but I'm just gonna I'm like, you
Speaker 2: know what happier year, fresh energy, fresh, vibe, fresh everything, yep.
Speaker 2: And you know, of course it's the financial year, so
Speaker 2: we've all got money on our minds. What's the biggest
Speaker 2: money mistake you see people making when it comes to fashion?
Speaker 1: So many well we talk about how we're going to
Speaker 1: fix them.
Speaker 3: So three main ones. First one is buying on sale,
Speaker 3: so many can't say, oh, I bought this, but I've
Speaker 3: never worn it. Bought this, but it's you know, I
Speaker 3: haven't worn it, and it's all got tickets, and it's
Speaker 3: all got cel tickets being Red Mark, you know, stamps
Speaker 3: all over them.
Speaker 1: In all the rest of it sale extra discount y, yeah.
Speaker 3: Which sounds really enticing, but is not how I want
Speaker 3: you to shop. You know, if you really love that
Speaker 3: product and you've watched it go down.
Speaker 1: Down, you would have got it full price.
Speaker 3: Exactly, jump on it. But nothing is a bargain if
Speaker 3: you don't wear it. And you know, having like three
Speaker 3: or four pieces that oh I only cost thirty bucks
Speaker 3: or fifteen or forty or whatever your budget, it all
Speaker 3: adds up, but you never wear it, so it takes
Speaker 3: up space, takes up brain space, makes us feel guilty,
Speaker 3: takes up guilt exactly. And I don't want people to
Speaker 3: feel good. I want to actually have less that they
Speaker 3: wear more. So the whole buying on sale thing is
Speaker 3: not I it's I know it's hard. Sometimes we look
Speaker 3: around storm like, oh my god, I really tell me.
Speaker 1: You don't shop the sales.
Speaker 3: I only shop it if I really love it.
Speaker 2: So maybe you were already across. Yeah, if you love
Speaker 2: that brand and you check out their sale, you don't
Speaker 2: just find a random website that s having a great
Speaker 2: sale with random stuff you've never seen.
Speaker 3: Okay, No, So to Cuba, I've got beautiful pleated cream nitpants.
Speaker 3: I was looking for something like that. I happened to
Speaker 3: be shopping for myself, which is quite rare, and they're
Speaker 3: not on sale, and I was like, oh, I'm definitely
Speaker 3: going to buy them.
Speaker 2: Okay because there, Yes, that star was already something you
Speaker 2: were seeing.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. The other thing, yeah.
Speaker 1: I need more.
Speaker 3: Here is the buying three for two. You know, those
Speaker 3: whole spend and.
Speaker 1: Save only good for andy.
Speaker 3: It's just capitalism, yes, exactly. Yeah, it's just capitalism. They're
Speaker 3: trying to make you buy more. So we often think
Speaker 3: shopping is a numbers game, or if I buy three,
Speaker 3: that's going to make me happy, then if I had two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Also that I fall into this chap all the
Speaker 2: time of free shipping, I'm like, I've got to find
Speaker 2: something else free, but I don't really.
Speaker 1: Need the other thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I should have just paid the ten dollars, yeah,
Speaker 2: rather than trying to round up to forty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know exactly.
Speaker 3: So it is really keeping your eye on how desirable
Speaker 3: the item is that you want and buying one and
Speaker 3: buying right, rather than buying plenty and buying so.
Speaker 1: One of the mistakes you see is people buy more
Speaker 1: than they need, more than they need. Yeah, Kim, stop
Speaker 1: following me everywhere.
Speaker 3: And then the third thing is thinking we need five
Speaker 3: new tops when really we need one new top that
Speaker 3: we can wear five ways. Because you know, I could
Speaker 3: talk about shopping being a numbers game. The number I
Speaker 3: want you to care about is how many ways you
Speaker 3: can wear something? Yeah, yes, exactly. Rather than having all
Speaker 3: those five new items in your wardrobe, you're probably only
Speaker 3: gonna wear two. If you've got one that's really versatile,
Speaker 3: it flatters, you feel really good in it, layers under things,
Speaker 3: you can marry on its own. You don't need to exactly.
Speaker 3: You can wear it five ways, So you know, I
Speaker 3: want people to start pivoting the numbers game. The way
Speaker 3: that we think shopping is about buying lots of stuff
Speaker 3: because hopefull one of it will make us feel good. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's just capitalism.
Speaker 2: I think it feels like we will feel better when
Speaker 2: we've got options, but then we oftentimes feel overwhelmed and
Speaker 2: it makes it harder exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: And that's actually something I was talking about the other day.
Speaker 3: My clients feel really underwhelmed with their wardrobe, overwhelmed by
Speaker 3: the shops. Yeah, and it's like I feel, and that's
Speaker 3: when we feel start.
Speaker 1: That's such a good way to look at it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: So I just don't know what I do. I just
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: Exactly because we haven't found the outfit yet that exists
Speaker 3: in our wardrobe. Because this is the thing, it was.
Speaker 2: A desire because oftentimes I'm just shopping because I'm bored
Speaker 2: or said or getting my period or I'm rewarding my.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, but that's when you need to buy lipstick
Speaker 3: or something like that. Yeah, yes, facial something else will
Speaker 3: that will have that return on investment, because that's what
Speaker 3: I want people to think about when they're purchasing. What's
Speaker 3: my return on investment? Every textile you bring into your house,
Speaker 3: think about the return and investment that cost per weear?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, and the financially, it has just happened. We've
Speaker 2: ordered it all of our maybe the tax department has
Speaker 2: ordered it us. So we've done our finances. So let's
Speaker 2: order our wardrobe.
Speaker 1: What do we do?
Speaker 2: We go through our wardrobe and we work out, you know,
Speaker 2: what we already do have, and we work out gaps.
Speaker 2: And for me, this is something I really need to
Speaker 2: do because I've spoken to you before. I love to
Speaker 2: buy duplicates because I love a genre shirt and I
Speaker 2: accidentally buy another one.
Speaker 1: I don't need another one. So we're going to do
Speaker 1: an audit of our wardrobe and then we're going to
Speaker 1: decide what to do with those things later. But what's
Speaker 1: our process when doing that audit? I love saying audit, yes,
Speaker 1: because it's.
Speaker 3: The end fin that sounds very freshal So what we
Speaker 3: want to do. So basically, when we're looking at our
Speaker 3: wardrobe and we're deciding what we're wearing, a really good
Speaker 3: way to do it is to actually look at the
Speaker 3: things that you're wearing the most, So they're the things
Speaker 3: that you're washing the most, right, and you bring them out.
Speaker 3: Good way to do it, yeah, because you know that.
Speaker 1: You're yeh, yeah, you know you love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so we're and also you know what part
Speaker 3: of the reason I do insta, as I've talked before,
Speaker 3: is because I want to just be able to look
Speaker 3: back at really what I'm wearing. Sometimes what you think
Speaker 3: you're wearing, what you really wear a slightly different, but
Speaker 3: you put them all out in your bed and then
Speaker 3: what you do because when we put things in our
Speaker 3: wardrobe and they're all side hanging, it's kind of hard.
Speaker 3: We think we know what's in there, and we think
Speaker 3: we know what it looks like. But actually I want
Speaker 3: you to bring them out because out of those pieces
Speaker 3: that you're wearing, you're probably only wearing like very formulaic outfits.
Speaker 3: So you might wear one top with one bottom, this
Speaker 3: top with this bottom, this top with this bottom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's in your head.
Speaker 3: Exactly because we know the outfit is familiar, and we
Speaker 3: go back to what we know. You know, we've got
Speaker 3: that kind of photographic memory. I want you to wear
Speaker 3: that top with that bottom. So I want you to
Speaker 3: wear like outfit top number.
Speaker 1: Three, wear them at least just try it on and.
Speaker 3: See how the experiment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you doing dress up absolutely the audit absolutely
Speaker 2: kind of order because that text apartment, and that's my
Speaker 2: kind of order.
Speaker 3: It makes the text department a little bit more interesting.
Speaker 3: But what I find fascinating, and what I didn't realize
Speaker 3: at the time, is that we buy things and put
Speaker 3: them in our wardrobes, right, and we expect our wardrobes
Speaker 3: to work really hard for us and to give all
Speaker 3: this stuff back to us. As you know, I've bought this,
Speaker 3: I've spent two hundred dollars on the top. Now it's
Speaker 3: time to you know, to stop reaping the fit exactly
Speaker 3: and get some return on investment. But we don't actually
Speaker 3: then invest the time to play with that garment. We
Speaker 3: buy it, we wear it one way, and we're like, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm on the next thing. It's so true, and I
Speaker 3: want you to go deeper on that garment because there's
Speaker 3: so much potential in your wardrobe. There really is, but
Speaker 3: we need to give our wardrobe time to be able
Speaker 3: to release that potential. It's not going to jump out
Speaker 3: and bite you on the bum. You have to go.
Speaker 3: And it's not necessary hard work, it's playful.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true.
Speaker 3: Literally take it down exactly, and you have to take
Speaker 3: down the barriers that you've put in. You know, I
Speaker 3: go back to that jacket that it's like colored. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: that's my wedding one, and then this is my work
Speaker 3: can and whatnot, and then we start combining them.
Speaker 2: Like these are a body yellow and like a few
Speaker 2: people have said to me to say like, oh, I
Speaker 2: can't you cold, And I'm like, well no, because I
Speaker 2: think it's a summary.
Speaker 1: Base yes, and then yes, yeah yeah, yah, way, I'd
Speaker 1: be like yellow exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you've put your jacket over it exactly. But
Speaker 3: how do you not just spend a little bit of
Speaker 3: time doing that. You would have put that top underneath
Speaker 3: and that pan in your summer only wardrobe, and we
Speaker 3: put barriers up, and I want to knock all those
Speaker 3: barriers down. And by pulling things out on your bed
Speaker 3: a lot of time, the outfits make themselves. Yeah, because
Speaker 3: if you've got a style, which we all have, we
Speaker 3: have all got personal style, and we've all got a
Speaker 3: type that we like and a kind of look. So
Speaker 3: once we put out our favorite pieces on our bed,
Speaker 3: the ones that are on rotation, there's naturally going to
Speaker 3: be some common denominators that make them go together.
Speaker 1: And maybe not immediately logical outfits that. Yes, that's where
Speaker 1: they're like, yes, work comes in.
Speaker 3: That's a really good point. We always want to take
Speaker 3: away the logic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like the wrong shoe theory, but for your
Speaker 2: fact exactly all right, So we've done the audit. Our
Speaker 2: happy colths are having a party on the bed. Then
Speaker 2: there's the clothes who have had a lovely life maybe.
Speaker 1: But they're not going to make the party. You're not invited. Ye,
Speaker 1: what are we doing with them?
Speaker 3: So we are either because basically we don't want to
Speaker 3: ever throw clothes away. It's either you try and sell it,
Speaker 3: and this is in the right kind of order, so
Speaker 3: you try and sell it and make some money to
Speaker 3: recycle that money into your Extperkay.
Speaker 1: I want to ask, can I break them down there? Okay?
Speaker 2: So I've got things that I are in my cell
Speaker 2: pie or that could be a coach bag or an
Speaker 2: oriiton bag or could be god, I've even got some
Speaker 2: fancy of things.
Speaker 1: But then I've got your maybe dish or it's just
Speaker 1: I've got such a mix of things. I don't know
Speaker 1: where to sell.
Speaker 2: What or like what's valuable? Yeah, because it's so personal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so sometime and that's it. In you only need
Speaker 3: one buyer. It's just getting to them, is it. So
Speaker 3: it's either going to places like you know, pre loved
Speaker 3: and consignment and all those care.
Speaker 1: Places like your designer Like I've got one designer bag.
Speaker 1: I feel so guilty about buying, but I never use it,
Speaker 1: so I'd like to read.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and as long as you learn a few lessons,
Speaker 3: but why you don't wear it and use it, then
Speaker 3: you've learned the lesson from it and you can set
Speaker 3: it free.
Speaker 1: And sing with exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: So it's either consignment or might be on you know,
Speaker 3: the specific Facebook groups that you can sell it. There's
Speaker 3: lots of different ways to to sell it. You can
Speaker 3: just sell it on marketplace, you know, best collector all different.
Speaker 1: Places, eBay, depop exactly.
Speaker 3: Exactly there are there are and it might just be
Speaker 3: having a little bit of research to the type of
Speaker 3: brands that seem to sell quite well and that they've
Speaker 3: got you know, maybe not many listed on that actually
Speaker 3: might go quicker for example, that's kind of quite good
Speaker 3: to look at. If you can't sell it and make money,
Speaker 3: then give it to a friend, friend gift, or you
Speaker 3: swap it with a friend.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, I've had some friends starting
Speaker 1: to do little swaps and a little swap parties.
Speaker 3: Or great because it gives you life to that's all
Speaker 3: we want to do, because it takes such a takes
Speaker 3: such a lot of work when I've been designing to
Speaker 3: to get a textile into the world and make it beautiful.
Speaker 3: So to me, I look, I think of the long
Speaker 3: life cycle of that garment, not just the wearing part
Speaker 3: for the person one. I'm like, what you're going to
Speaker 3: do after the next thing is you if you don't
Speaker 3: give it to a friend or swap it, then you
Speaker 3: give it to charity, donating so many in a fashion
Speaker 3: forward dress for success. There's so many great ones out
Speaker 3: there that really do amazing things to women.
Speaker 1: For They're here in Bondai, but there are Instagram.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, last week actually oh did you then?
Speaker 4: Love?
Speaker 1: Tell you what I got? But it's all for charity.
Speaker 1: It helps children.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I needed to drop off to the match.
Speaker 2: We'll go to day and I'll buy your things and
Speaker 2: give them money to charity, but they really give vinis your.
Speaker 3: Exactly and you can't take dirty things to them. They're
Speaker 3: not going to accept it. So all of that goes
Speaker 3: to rags. Anything it's really dirty, and I.
Speaker 1: Think kids, daycare clothes and like stuff.
Speaker 3: That's all that. Wash your car with it, clean the house,
Speaker 3: clean kitchen, you know, use that wash it, chuck it
Speaker 3: in with a wash and then and then keep using it.
Speaker 3: Because they're textiles, they would just want to be reused
Speaker 3: and used. So if we think.
Speaker 1: About it, really trying to avoid landfillm absolutely because.
Speaker 3: Someone else can get joy from it, and if they can't,
Speaker 3: it goes to rags.
Speaker 2: Okay, I love that. All right, I've kept everyone waiting
Speaker 2: long enough. We need to talk about you. Four by four.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a big truck that would fit my
Speaker 1: wardrobe dinner? Is that what it is? What's the four
Speaker 1: x four theory methods?
Speaker 3: The four by four is basically right. So I have
Speaker 3: obviously lots of clients that will buy four new pieces
Speaker 3: and I'm like, cool, have you you know go around
Speaker 3: their house when.
Speaker 1: Need say that, like in the one like season day.
Speaker 3: Totally depends on the clients. Some people might buy four
Speaker 3: pieces in a month, okay, some people might buy four
Speaker 3: over the season. Totally depends on shopping habits, budget, all
Speaker 3: those things they've got, four they've got. If they've got
Speaker 3: four recent things, a lot of time, I'm like, okay, cool,
Speaker 3: because so have you worn them together? Like oh no,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, well have you tried one? Oh no,
Speaker 3: I just bought them randomly separately, and I can never
Speaker 3: like outfitting them. So my whole thing is, if ever
Speaker 3: you buy four pieces to say, two tops, two bottoms,
Speaker 3: I want you to not just create one outfit from
Speaker 3: that or two outfits. So each time goes for the bottom,
Speaker 3: we need to cross pollinate it. So for every four
Speaker 3: items we can wear, four outfits we can create.
Speaker 1: This is the process we go through before we purchase.
Speaker 3: At the time of the purpose.
Speaker 2: It has to like go through this four by four
Speaker 2: before it's allowed.
Speaker 1: To be out.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, it's very hard. It's not okay, it's not
Speaker 2: I've had my eye on this bomber. Let's pretend how
Speaker 2: do I fall by four it in my head?
Speaker 3: So you make sure that the pant you want to
Speaker 3: buy next, yeah, is going.
Speaker 1: To go with it, or the skirt or the dress. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it can be a dress and bought the bomber.
Speaker 2: Now I see a skirt and I'm like, hang on,
Speaker 2: bombers new will skirt get along with bomber exactly?
Speaker 3: And are they going to be friends?
Speaker 2: That's so clever because even if it's beyond the four,
Speaker 2: you should think of your recent purchases and will at work,
Speaker 2: will at work, will at.
Speaker 3: Work exactly, because I want every four pieces you buy,
Speaker 3: say's two tops and two bottoms to cross pollin eate. Okay,
Speaker 3: so you've got the four outfits going across, and then
Speaker 3: what happens is you do those outfits and then you
Speaker 3: look at them back with what you've bought last year, yeah,
Speaker 3: ten years ago.
Speaker 1: And it kind of inspires the process.
Speaker 3: Absolutely because you're always thinking about the outfit, not the item.
Speaker 3: And this is the thing. This, while I go back
Speaker 3: to the shopping, isn't numbers game. It's the numbers game,
Speaker 3: is also about the outfits you're creating, not the items
Speaker 3: you're purchasing. Because again, the whole numbers game, the capitalism
Speaker 3: part of you know, I'm going to go and buy
Speaker 3: ten items and I know that will make me happy.
Speaker 3: It doesn't It doesn't so really thinking about the outcome
Speaker 3: of the outfit.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, so said skirt, I've just said, oh, yes,
Speaker 1: it goes with barmer, and it goes with that, and
Speaker 1: then I go, oh that top, So then I go
Speaker 1: oh that top, Yes, that goes with skirt, which also
Speaker 1: goes with bomber, and then it's kind of exactly.
Speaker 3: And from that one top you can still create four outfits.
Speaker 3: So we've always got to think about, you know, because
Speaker 3: otherwise we're just buying items on their own in silo
Speaker 3: and we're never thinking really about the outfit. It's like, oh,
Speaker 3: what's the outfit? I can work with a gene or
Speaker 3: a black pant. That's not enough. So for every four items,
Speaker 3: we need four outfits. And the compound interest it's not
Speaker 3: it's not. I mean, it does take a bit of thought,
Speaker 3: and that's what I want people to do. I want
Speaker 3: you to be considered and intentional about what they're purchasing.
Speaker 3: But the great thing is the compound interest means that
Speaker 3: once you then do those four you bought four items,
Speaker 3: you created four outfits. Okay, then when you're buying another
Speaker 3: four later in the season next year, the compound interest
Speaker 3: means that you might double the amount you're buying, but
Speaker 3: you've tripled the amount of outfits because they're like breeding exactly.
Speaker 3: So the compound interest effect means that you've actually got
Speaker 3: way way more outfits from way less clothes. And fundamentally,
Speaker 3: that's what I delibut.
Speaker 4: It's very expensive.
Speaker 3: How wordre.
Speaker 1: Okay on to bougie and budget. I mean, we've probably.
Speaker 2: Should have done two budgets because we're talking about saving
Speaker 2: money and getting more out of your clothes. However, I've
Speaker 2: bought a bougie. Let's start with your budget though, what's
Speaker 2: your budget?
Speaker 3: And why my budget is the assembly label coat. It's
Speaker 3: Cesadi coat. It's currently on sale from two eighty to
Speaker 3: about one nine five am.
Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to shop the sales cam. I'm joking.
Speaker 3: That is such a classic, so classic, you know, the
Speaker 3: one that belted lots of colors. So some colors are
Speaker 3: on sale, some aren't. And it's one hundred percent wall
Speaker 3: and that's a really good.
Speaker 2: And that's the best thing to buy on sales. It's
Speaker 2: a staple quality.
Speaker 3: That you're going to wear for saily.
Speaker 2: Discounted, but it's saving you a bit of money on
Speaker 2: something you will like flog to death and I'm absolutely approved. Okay,
Speaker 2: my budget is a Target bag. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you've seen. They've been out for a little bit now.
Speaker 2: The Target swayed one hundred collection of bags. So if
Speaker 2: I first got some loafers at the start of winter,
Speaker 2: real Sway, I got the black ones. They're like wearing slippers.
Speaker 2: There's also a tan and then the bag.
Speaker 1: I'm not getting it because it's a new financial u
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to save money and I actually need
Speaker 1: to sell some of my bags.
Speaker 3: But before you replace them.
Speaker 2: Correct, If I was in the market for a bag
Speaker 2: and it could go back with my fourth fife four,
Speaker 2: I would be getting. There's a few of them. Actually
Speaker 2: they've got like a big slapsy bo hoo. But this
Speaker 2: one's the premium Swayed leather bucket tote bag in khaki. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's eighty dollars.
Speaker 3: That's really good and I love how that's quite structured
Speaker 3: but also a bit slouchy. It's like lots of people's style.
Speaker 1: I don't even work for them, but I'm just so impressed,
Speaker 1: Like they do the bow hoy slouchy shoulder.
Speaker 3: Oh is that in this way too? It's that little
Speaker 3: gold class. Oh that's impressive. That's impressive.
Speaker 1: Not for me because I'm but other people.
Speaker 3: Other people in the market, just saying it would go
Speaker 3: really nice with your out.
Speaker 1: You've gone today, all right, what else if you got
Speaker 1: for me? What's your boogie?
Speaker 3: My bougie is Comla Mark because they do really really
Speaker 3: good outwear. Trenches and jackets and coats are really they're unparallel. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so they're Donato coats one one hundred.
Speaker 1: I don't think. Oh so it's a worn Yeah, what
Speaker 1: called like a tidy coat.
Speaker 3: Well, it's very similar to the assembly label. And the
Speaker 3: reason I like them a lot is because they're not
Speaker 3: too dressing gown ish.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I had a short collar. They've got dressing gown
Speaker 3: fabric thingy. That's yeah sometimes and obviously you can put
Speaker 3: a nice structured belt on. It looks really cool if
Speaker 3: you're going, if you're dressing it up, etcetera. Purposing. But
Speaker 3: the Donato coat is augeous.
Speaker 2: Because that's because we're such good people. We've got an
Speaker 2: amazing tax return and we're treating ourselves.
Speaker 3: And again that will be really timeless, but it's interesting
Speaker 3: because that's not one hundred percent well it's woolen poly
Speaker 3: which is interesting.
Speaker 2: Well, it depends because some of my natural synthetic blends.
Speaker 1: We're the best.
Speaker 2: All right, good, I'm glad you're bougie. Was bougie because
Speaker 2: my bougi is quite bousy. Okay, okay, so we're being.
Speaker 1: A good girl. This isn't me. But someone needs to
Speaker 1: invest because we're talking about saving money and shopping on
Speaker 1: a budget, but also we're talking about purchasing things will watable.
Speaker 3: Thing investment absolutely.
Speaker 2: I mean I could not love Oriton anymore. In the
Speaker 2: last few years, they have just had the biggest go up.
Speaker 2: This is already sold out but coming back. But I'm
Speaker 2: just going to tell people about it so it's on
Speaker 2: their radar. It is the Mica workmanship small bowler like
Speaker 2: it's a bowler bag, which means like, but this is
Speaker 2: the small the mini. The mini is quite small. The
Speaker 2: bowler is like, like, that's that's her everyday handbag. Yes,
Speaker 2: you could fit your laptop. I would probably have a
Speaker 2: separate bag from my laptop. But this is my everything
Speaker 2: as in like glasses, you know, bottle Yes, yeah, zip
Speaker 2: I love something the fully zip shut because I throw
Speaker 2: it in the car.
Speaker 1: Everything falls out. I love the black.
Speaker 2: It's eight hundred and ninety nine dollars and already sold out.
Speaker 2: So what does that tell you? Yeah, And like we
Speaker 2: were talking before we started recording, I've got a green
Speaker 2: Oriton bag. I bought from the Origin outlet online. If
Speaker 2: you're not across the Oriton outlet online, where have you
Speaker 2: been all your life? It's online maybe five or six
Speaker 2: years ago.
Speaker 1: And I use it a lot, Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 3: And that's it. You want to think about the frequency?
Speaker 3: Am I going to wear this daily? Week yere, monthly?
Speaker 1: And I bought that full price?
Speaker 2: I didn't, so it was a good sale purpose yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: okay Kim?
Speaker 1: So when are you coming over tomorrow? Okay, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for coming back. Love having you pleasure. So
Speaker 1: as I promised, the show is not over yet. I
Speaker 1: love how Kim.
Speaker 2: Talked us through the process of auditing our wardrobe and
Speaker 2: then what we're going to do with it. So she
Speaker 2: touched on pre loved and reselling. So I've found Miya
Speaker 2: in the studio here and we're going to talk about
Speaker 2: reselling and also buying secondhand because it's very cool right now,
Speaker 2: me Friedman, Hello, Hi, I wanted to bring you onto
Speaker 2: the show and bring you back to talk about pre
Speaker 2: loved fashion because he noticed we talked about a year
Speaker 2: ago about thrifting. Have you noticed the boom of pre loved?
Speaker 1: Yes? And it's now a flex when you ask someone.
Speaker 1: It's so funny because back in our magazine days, it
Speaker 1: used to be where's that from? And it used to
Speaker 1: be a flex if it was a label, yes, and
Speaker 1: then it was a flex if it wasn't a label, yes,
Speaker 1: but it looked like a label. And now it's a
Speaker 1: flex if it's shrifted, yeah, if it's pre loved or
Speaker 1: second man, it says not only am I sustainable and
Speaker 1: I'm helping the planet, but also I'm clever and I've
Speaker 1: put in the work. Yes, and I've got something maybe individual,
Speaker 1: and no one can copy it, and I've saved somewhere. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I've brought you across to the well. It's not
Speaker 1: the dark sign anymore. That's six months ago. I was
Speaker 1: looking through a lot of my clothes and I used
Speaker 1: to sell some of my stuff. I'd go through my
Speaker 1: stuff a lot, so I'm not sentimental about my clothes.
Speaker 1: You do a regular clean out, I do, and I
Speaker 1: give away a lot. I donate a lot, and that
Speaker 1: there are some things that I would sell in various
Speaker 1: places consignment shops. Yeah, but I sort of stopped doing
Speaker 1: that and I things have been banking up and I
Speaker 1: was looking at all of it and just going, I
Speaker 1: really want to do something good with this stuff, and
Speaker 1: so give it to me. Well, I wanted to sell
Speaker 1: it and raise money for Rise Up. So Rise Up
Speaker 1: is the charity that we support. I'm an ambassador for them,
Speaker 1: and they help women and children start again after domestic violence.
Speaker 1: They helped set up homes and they don't take pre
Speaker 1: loved stuff, so we support them with money, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to find new homes for my clothes. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you watch Toy Story. I think it was
Speaker 1: the second toy story, the Psycholonaemy. So do you know
Speaker 1: how there was that thing about the toys just wanted
Speaker 1: to be played with. Yes, I feel that way about clothes.
Speaker 1: It's so true.
Speaker 2: And I've got suitcases and suitcases of stuff I want
Speaker 2: to sell. Yeah, but I haven't. I can't set up
Speaker 2: a market stall. I'm too old, and it's too early
Speaker 2: in the morning, and it's too crazy.
Speaker 1: No, I agree, So what I did is eBay contacted
Speaker 1: me and said, would you like to do a store
Speaker 1: with eBay? And I'm like, I used to do stores
Speaker 1: with abab all the time when I was showing all
Speaker 1: the time. I also shop on eBay all the time,
Speaker 1: and I will often find buy new things a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't know ye so by new things on
Speaker 1: eBay too. So now building this store, what's amazing now
Speaker 1: is that there's all this technology on eBay like AI
Speaker 1: and stuff that helps you list items. Yes, if people
Speaker 1: haven't been on lately, it is so different and so
Speaker 1: intuitive and so phenomenal, it's a lot easier much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've just really enjoyed the process. I like thinking about
Speaker 1: people being able to wear these things in their own
Speaker 1: wardrobus or I've had so much joy from them. But
Speaker 1: maybe that don't fit me anymore. Maybe they're just not
Speaker 1: my style.
Speaker 2: And that's what I was going to ask, how you
Speaker 2: decided what to culp? What's your filter for it's time
Speaker 2: to sell on eb and give it? Yeah, it's the
Speaker 2: toy that I'll be played with by someone else.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, like a lot of people, I sort of
Speaker 1: have clothes stored all over the house in bits of
Speaker 1: other people. I don't know it's all over that normal.
Speaker 1: It's just maybe you and me, maybe you're and me.
Speaker 1: And what I do is I will give something a
Speaker 1: two year grace period because sometimes things come back and
Speaker 1: it's like this year, I just took out all my
Speaker 1: winter coats and winter stuff and I tried it all on,
Speaker 1: and some of it. I was like, I'm going to
Speaker 1: give this one more year. And if I'm a made yeah,
Speaker 1: because I didn't wear it last year, I don't want
Speaker 1: to wear it this year. If I get to another
Speaker 1: year and I haven't worn it, it's going yeah. And
Speaker 1: then other things you're like, oh, this feels right for now, Yes,
Speaker 1: you know that feeling. And then if it's like no,
Speaker 1: I'm not waiting, then it's in the eBay pile. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'm going to go on eBay and shop
Speaker 1: your things? Is that weird? If I buy your things
Speaker 1: and then we sit next to each other. I have
Speaker 1: already bought one of my friends because as we were
Speaker 1: laying it all out to photograph, I'd put all these
Speaker 1: things aside and I'd wash them and made sure that
Speaker 1: they were in good condition. And this was about two
Speaker 1: months ago, and then we were photographing them all to
Speaker 1: put up, and so I was making some content and
Speaker 1: I put them all down and there were these pair
Speaker 1: of fluorescent pink essential Antwerp trainers. Oh great, I mean
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, chunky, and I'm like, why am
Speaker 1: I getting rid of those? I need to take them back?
Speaker 1: And then I felt bad. I'm like, I'm not taking
Speaker 1: money for so I bought them for like one hundred
Speaker 1: dollars myself.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love that. So they ended up equivalent,
Speaker 2: and that's much more efficient. The eBay thing is I
Speaker 2: have the bags in the boot my boot for months,
Speaker 2: and then the whole season will change. Like I had
Speaker 2: a bunch of winter stuff. This is how bad I
Speaker 2: am that. Then it got cold again and I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm freezing. I was at some soccer game or something
Speaker 2: and went to the back of my car opened their
Speaker 2: bags and I was like, oh, I quite like that
Speaker 2: because it had been there for a year. But had
Speaker 2: I got my act together they listed it on eBay,
Speaker 2: someone would have been wearing it for that year rather
Speaker 2: than yeah, stinky boot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And you can feel a little bit claustrophobic, like when.
Speaker 2: You know, I feel like I'm drowning, and so I
Speaker 2: don't know what to wear because there's too much to
Speaker 2: think about.
Speaker 1: So there's always someone who's going to want what you
Speaker 1: you don't want any more. So it's like freeing its
Speaker 1: future to find a new home, and it's.
Speaker 2: A different kind of joy. Like I love walking into
Speaker 2: Westfield and buying something from a mass chain store.
Speaker 1: Of course I do.
Speaker 2: But when it's oh, it's the hunt, it's the hunt,
Speaker 2: and then it's just sometimes the human interaction.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I got a cardigan the other day that I brought
Speaker 2: an eBay. I wrote to her and I said, Hey,
Speaker 2: I love it so much.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad.
Speaker 3: We're like, yes, yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Know, it was like a village transaction back in the day,
Speaker 2: but these two happy women. I bought it, she sold it,
Speaker 2: and the cardigan's living its best life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me, love you.
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