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Speaker 2: On Christmas has always been a really tough time of
Speaker 2: year because I love it so much, and you know,
Speaker 2: every it's a marker of time, and it's like, damn it.
Speaker 1: You know, we didn't have a baby this year.
Speaker 2: Nothing happens like it's passing time and I'm aging and
Speaker 2: that's not a good thing in the.
Speaker 1: Clinics, you know, it's.
Speaker 2: And I'm actually due on Christmas Day, which feels like
Speaker 2: such a gift.
Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to No Filter.
Speaker 3: I'm Kate lane Brook and today I'm sitting down with
Speaker 3: Tanya Hennessy. Tanya is funny, she's relatable, she's endlessly honest.
Speaker 3: But behind the laughs, she's faced a very long, very
Speaker 3: hard road to one of life's most cherished milestones, coming
Speaker 3: a mother. In this conversation, Tanya opens up about the heartbreak,
Speaker 3: the hope, and the quiet moments that tested her strength.
Speaker 3: She talks candidly about her battle within demetriosis, the challenges
Speaker 3: of infertility, and how she brought her audience along with
Speaker 3: her every step of the way, sharing the raw real,
Speaker 3: often messy journey, and then finally, the moment she got
Speaker 3: the baby news she'd been waiting for, a moment of
Speaker 3: joy that's deeply personal, yet a reminder that every journey
Speaker 3: to parenthood is different, and that hope, courage, and perseverance
Speaker 3: look different for everyone.
Speaker 1: Here is Tanya Hennessy.
Speaker 2: Tania Hennessy, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to No Filter. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: this is a good podcast for me because I was
Speaker 2: not born with a filter.
Speaker 1: It's me into trouble sometimes.
Speaker 2: No, it's perfect for you. But let me welcome you
Speaker 2: by saying this, Hello mama. Oh girl, don't I'm so emotional,
Speaker 2: but I can't cry figure that one out?
Speaker 1: Oh? Are you just get me to know?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 2: Yes, I think the process of IVF and loss has
Speaker 2: made it really difficult to connect to my.
Speaker 1: I can't try. It's so weird, it's so bizarre. Do
Speaker 1: you think drives me up the wall?
Speaker 3: Because you have spoken very openly about the seven years
Speaker 3: oh of fertility treatments and loss, as you said, and
Speaker 3: you've had endo.
Speaker 1: You've been really lucky.
Speaker 2: My god, how much money can I spend on this
Speaker 2: unborn child? I know almost one hundred twenty grand which
Speaker 2: is like outrageous. I don't have a house, and I
Speaker 2: don't have much savings because I've made some fertility choices.
Speaker 2: But yeah, like I really think that if I hadn't
Speaker 2: have gone through all of this nonsense with fertility, maybe
Speaker 2: I'd be connected slightly more. I'm a little bit worried
Speaker 2: about it, kay, to be honest, because I'm worried that
Speaker 2: this baby's gonna come out and I'm going to be
Speaker 2: dissociative with it because it's like, I also have an
Speaker 2: anterior placenter, so I can't feel them kicking.
Speaker 1: What does that? What does that mean?
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know much of biology though I've
Speaker 3: had four children. Anterior placenta, so anterior outside something Oh no.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yes, where would it normally be.
Speaker 2: It's on the front, so okay, kicks, so it's at
Speaker 2: the front. So basically every time you can have at
Speaker 2: the back or the side, but the front is where
Speaker 2: they kick kick kick, and you can't feel anything. So
Speaker 2: it's I'm like, I also just look a bit chubby,
Speaker 2: which is fine, but I've been this size before, so
Speaker 2: like I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, are you there? Are you there?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right, you haven't had that moment yet where you've kind
Speaker 3: of popped and you go, I look to the world
Speaker 3: like a pregnant lake.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: And even the scans I reckon, my brain can't quite
Speaker 2: understand that that's in me because it looks like a
Speaker 2: film or something. You know, everyone has this scan, but
Speaker 2: I've never had the scan where you said the baby right.
Speaker 1: Ever, I've always just had empty, empty scans. My brain
Speaker 1: can't compute that that's in me. And I am in therapy.
Speaker 2: It's a really is it's really working.
Speaker 1: It's really working, my therapist.
Speaker 2: Just like saw you on the cover that Body and Soul.
Speaker 2: I'm like, girl, are you therapizing?
Speaker 1: You're just a fan. That was a great cover, by
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know it's it was that that was
Speaker 2: so scary. Kate like, who oh god, but I did it.
Speaker 2: I did it well.
Speaker 3: You know, everything that you've done is sort of scary,
Speaker 3: including uh, once you decide, if you decide that you
Speaker 3: want to have a baby, and then you find.
Speaker 1: Out that you can't or that the path.
Speaker 3: Is going to be littered with so many obstacles, that
Speaker 3: is really scary. Looking into the abyss of that is scary,
Speaker 3: and particularly for women because we're so conscious of the
Speaker 3: concept of time.
Speaker 1: And being on borrowed time.
Speaker 2: Especially in this industry. I think you do find that
Speaker 2: as well, like my whole life. And I don't know
Speaker 2: about you, but you know, I used to be wanted
Speaker 2: to be an actor, particularly back in the day, and
Speaker 2: it was very much like, oh, so did I really Yeah,
Speaker 2: you have to forty, you have to forty, you have
Speaker 2: to find forty felt like this off deadline.
Speaker 1: You couldn't act anymore, you couldn't do anything.
Speaker 2: You were invisible at forty and at thirty nine, pregnant
Speaker 2: feels you know, it's the weirdest thing.
Speaker 1: I'm on the pres.
Speaker 2: My birthday will be three weeks before my fortieth birthday,
Speaker 2: three weeks before I give birth.
Speaker 1: It's like, that's bizarre.
Speaker 2: So I'm like turning forward in having this turn of
Speaker 2: life at the same time as giving life, and my
Speaker 2: brain is like, but I'm really excited at the same time,
Speaker 2: but terrified, which I think is kind of normal.
Speaker 3: It's interesting because when we were setting up the tech here,
Speaker 3: I was just watching you and you were so still
Speaker 3: and composed, and I thought, oh, it's a it's another
Speaker 3: nuance of Tanya Hennessy.
Speaker 1: Oh, the stillness. Yeah, m do.
Speaker 3: You feel how do you feel different? Okay, there's so
Speaker 3: many things I want to discuss with you. First, let's
Speaker 3: go to the moment, the moment where and in IVF procedures,
Speaker 3: because they're so invasive, there's no secrets, are there.
Speaker 1: Nah?
Speaker 2: And when my embryo was my my doctor was cranky
Speaker 2: at me because I did a different protocol and he
Speaker 2: was like, Tanya Irish or Scottish, Tanya, do you not
Speaker 2: trust me? And I was like, it's not that I
Speaker 2: don't trust you, it's just that I don't have much
Speaker 2: mental space left. And if this doesn't work, I don't
Speaker 2: know what I'm going to do. I work in comedy,
Speaker 2: bro Like, I got no jokes, I've got no light
Speaker 2: left in me. I've got to try everything. It's not personal,
Speaker 2: it's drag like I'm trying to get this done.
Speaker 3: Also, I don't know how professional that is, although I
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean. I don't think this
Speaker 3: is the point when you're having an embryo transfer, at
Speaker 3: which the doctor should make it about them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but being through like the medical system, I don't
Speaker 2: think people like, yeah, I have a lot to say
Speaker 2: about it. And how misdiagnosed situations get and how things
Speaker 2: get forgotten and how much you have to advocate for yourself.
Speaker 2: To be honest, being on the other side of fertility
Speaker 2: is so nice because I don't have to go into
Speaker 2: a room and fight for myself like I have had
Speaker 2: to do. And it's wearing and exhausting, you know, going
Speaker 2: in and being like please help me, believe me and
Speaker 2: telling your story fifteen times, and you know, people taking
Speaker 2: money from you and saying they're going.
Speaker 1: To help you, and you know, like it's vulnerable.
Speaker 2: You're like, hey, I just need help, and people are like, yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: if you pay me six hundred dollars and then I'll
Speaker 2: put you on this thing and it might work and
Speaker 2: it might not.
Speaker 3: And then because you've done this for a long time,
Speaker 3: pretty well, since you got together with Tom, or not
Speaker 3: long after you got together with Tom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, like you're in
Speaker 2: a studio with Angus O'Laughlin and we used to do
Speaker 2: radio together and we were trying then, and Angus and
Speaker 2: I have not done radio together since twenty nineteen, and
Speaker 2: like he would know, and he's probably listening to this,
Speaker 2: but he would know, I used to come in and.
Speaker 1: Be like, it's not working. It's not working, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: That's a long hours time, right, And Gus has had
Speaker 2: two babies since then. By the way, that's I'm talking
Speaker 2: about it in that term is really interesting too.
Speaker 3: And then what did how are you navigating the You know,
Speaker 3: when you are in a relationship with someone and you
Speaker 3: decide that you are committed enough to each other that
Speaker 3: you want to have children, and then it seems that
Speaker 3: it's a possibility, which I think before you have a child,
Speaker 3: a lot of women think I'm not going to be
Speaker 3: able to have a child, and I think men probably
Speaker 3: think the same thing, only they're right. They can contribute.
Speaker 3: But you know, the women are the pig in the
Speaker 3: bacon and eggs, Like we committed. The chicken is participating.
Speaker 1: That is the funniest. That's one of my mothers, really stupid.
Speaker 1: I love it so much. The chicken is just participating,
Speaker 1: but the pig is committed. Yeah, the figures in there, eh. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Tom taints younger than me. He's only thirty two
Speaker 2: and I'm thirty nine.
Speaker 1: So he's young.
Speaker 2: So we were like, oh, he won't have any problems
Speaker 2: and you know, we were told for a really long time,
Speaker 2: you're really young and healthy relatively, it should be fine.
Speaker 2: So yeah, because that's thirty two is young to start, Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: and he was twenty what seven twenty six?
Speaker 1: He was younger that seven years younger than thirty two.
Speaker 1: Whatever that is. I don't do math.
Speaker 2: So we were just told, like constantly, just keep trying,
Speaker 2: just keep trying, just keep trying. And then eventually they
Speaker 2: did a I begged. I begged for an internal I
Speaker 2: was like, there's something wrong, like this is insane. He's like,
Speaker 2: you're stressed. And I was at that time, I, you know,
Speaker 2: I was doing a I did a reality show and
Speaker 2: that really messed with my head. And I was going
Speaker 2: like backwards and forwards between jobs in Melbourne and Sydney
Speaker 2: and overseas and.
Speaker 1: What was the reality show? Oh I'm a still ah right.
Speaker 3: Okay, the the UK one, did the Australian one.
Speaker 1: The Australian one. Yeah, okay, but that was rough.
Speaker 2: I found that show so hard, Like I don't know,
Speaker 2: people love it, but like I hated it and still
Speaker 2: think about it and hate it.
Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting. Why did you hate it? Because you
Speaker 1: can't shut the door and.
Speaker 2: I'm so painfully annoyingly creative that I hated not being
Speaker 2: able to create anything. I just wanted to draw in
Speaker 2: the dirt or like write something, and I wasn't allowed to.
Speaker 2: It's like just to have a chat with somebody else,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, but I don't want to talk to
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1: I want to create something.
Speaker 3: And one of those things about I mean, one of
Speaker 3: the things about the job that we do is that
Speaker 3: you can't just see a people. You have to look
Speaker 3: for the diamond in the people in people. Yes, but
Speaker 3: some people are just rocks and if that yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: and so that's a long time to spend with rocks.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I took my podcasting equipment in there, and like
Speaker 2: that was kind of fun.
Speaker 1: So I got to.
Speaker 2: Interview people as a part of you know, that was
Speaker 2: my luxury item. By the way, tell you, like, what
Speaker 2: a work addict who takes podcasting equipment?
Speaker 1: What's wrong with me?
Speaker 2: But I like, at least I was sort of doing
Speaker 2: something that felt proactive because reality people like Charlotte Crossby,
Speaker 2: she's amazing, but she's really good at just existing and
Speaker 2: making content by existing, whereas I'm a little bit more curated,
Speaker 2: like I want to make something like a book or
Speaker 2: a shollow or social video and it's sort of more
Speaker 2: orchestrated where she just exists and it's funny and brilliant.
Speaker 2: And I just didn't have that capacity. And I would
Speaker 2: look and there was Maths guys and Love Island guys
Speaker 2: and they were really good at it, and I just
Speaker 2: felt like, oh, I don't know how to just exist.
Speaker 2: I'm more curated than existing. I'm not very interesting and
Speaker 2: unless I'm curated, maybe.
Speaker 3: Well, Tracey's got to make it an outing, is what
Speaker 3: you're saying, is because you have, you know, people that
Speaker 3: live inside you, yes, not just the baby.
Speaker 2: You know, it's so weird to think there's like a
Speaker 2: whole spine in me right now, Like how weird. But
Speaker 2: Tracy actually came out of being so sick of myself
Speaker 2: that I created this character who's a sixty year old
Speaker 2: hairdresser and Baptist who has not trained since she went
Speaker 2: to tape in the eighties. And I just really wanted
Speaker 2: to do someone who just wasn't going through fertility challenges
Speaker 2: and she's in development for tsion. So you know, sometimes
Speaker 2: darkness brings out rainbows and I always thought that I
Speaker 2: probably wouldn't have children, just based on what I'd been through,
Speaker 2: and I thought this would this is going to be
Speaker 2: the last round, this one. If it didn't work, I
Speaker 2: was just gonna I would I would just have to
Speaker 2: be satisfied with my life. I was going to find satisfaction.
Speaker 2: But Tracy coming out of the darkness has actually been
Speaker 2: one of the best things for me, because she's amazing.
Speaker 2: We're into this woman because also she's even in the
Speaker 2: you know, our conversation so far that you are beset
Speaker 2: by doubt as a lot of creative people are, and
Speaker 2: she has none.
Speaker 1: None, so confident.
Speaker 2: I love her like and she she doesn't have fertility struggles.
Speaker 2: She she's not overly complex, which I love.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I'm like adhd deep as a well, very existential, like
Speaker 2: I think about thinking all the time, and Tracy's just
Speaker 2: sort of like, oh, this is what's in front of me.
Speaker 1: I'll just deal with it. Whereas I go, oh, what's
Speaker 1: the meaning of life?
Speaker 2: Terracy's known nuance when you say so this was going
Speaker 2: to be your last cracker.
Speaker 3: He's trying in an assisted way to have a baby. Yeah,
Speaker 3: had you allowed yourself to go down the path of
Speaker 3: if it didn't work, how your life would look.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've been yeah, and Tom and I both
Speaker 2: went down that path, and we kind of had gone
Speaker 2: so far down it, which is probably why it's hard
Speaker 2: to cry. But we were like, well, let's go to
Speaker 2: Mexico and let's do a kateon live in Italy for
Speaker 2: a year, and you know what I mean, we sort
Speaker 2: of had decided to find other things that would, you know,
Speaker 2: enrich our life and our experience.
Speaker 1: But we knew that there would always be like a
Speaker 1: certain level of grief, right. I just wanted to know.
Speaker 2: I wanted to know what it was like to be
Speaker 2: a parent.
Speaker 1: I have this thing with.
Speaker 2: This is the thought of existentialism, is that, like, what
Speaker 2: is the human experience? I want to have the whole thing?
Speaker 2: You know, I've got a tattoo, and not because I
Speaker 2: wanted one. I want to know how it felt, How
Speaker 2: does it feel to have a baby, how does it
Speaker 2: feel to be a parent? Like I want to have
Speaker 2: the whole gamut of the human experience.
Speaker 3: At what point did you say to Tom, this might
Speaker 3: not be a possibility if you are to stay with me,
Speaker 3: you know that that you're so cognizant of the fact
Speaker 3: that there's another person that may be denied something because
Speaker 3: of the vagaries of the human body.
Speaker 2: He was always like, don't worry about it. We'll have
Speaker 2: a great life anyway.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It was actually him coming the other way because I
Speaker 2: was like struggling and annoyed and frustrated, and he was
Speaker 2: like he was over it too, because it is and
Speaker 2: it's draining on a level that and he was just like,
Speaker 2: you know what, it's not worth it. Your mental health
Speaker 2: isn't worth it. Your body isn't worthing. And gained a
Speaker 2: lot of weight, and I was very uncomfortable, very unhealthy,
Speaker 2: and I was so sad, and he was like, Tanya,
Speaker 2: don't worry.
Speaker 1: If we can't have it, we can't have it.
Speaker 2: So like let's grieve and we'll move on. Let's go
Speaker 2: to the zoo and have a couple of lines. You know,
Speaker 2: Like he's he's very mature for his age, but he
Speaker 2: also has three sisters, so I think he really understands women.
Speaker 3: And what's the formation of your family. I know you've
Speaker 3: got your sister.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm the eldest, so which just makes no sense
Speaker 2: because I'm the most immature person alive. And my younger
Speaker 2: sister haveves like the older sister, right, you know, she's
Speaker 2: got that sort of more mature vibe. You know, she
Speaker 2: works in the raft like the Royal Australian Air Force.
Speaker 2: And you know the other day I made a video
Speaker 2: about perfume where I wasn't wearing a bra, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, like with creative and really logistical brains.
Speaker 1: Sort of happened that way.
Speaker 2: And then I've got a brother, a little brother, and
Speaker 2: his wife is due to have a baby, I think tomorrow.
Speaker 2: So oh, we'll have cousins really close four months.
Speaker 3: Which was part of your fantasy, it was.
Speaker 2: And I think we'll only do one slash. I don't
Speaker 2: only think I can't have another one. I don't want
Speaker 2: to do this again. I cannot do this again one
Speaker 2: and are we really stoked? And hopefully the baby will
Speaker 2: be good friends and close with their cousins so they
Speaker 2: can have like, you know, close relationships, because I just
Speaker 2: I won't do this to myself, which aspect of it,
Speaker 2: or first of all, the first trimester is for no one,
Speaker 2: like why are we painting pregnancy like it's you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know, like people on the beach in overalls,
Speaker 2: being good flat, decorating a nursery with a roller, and
Speaker 2: delightfully artfully splattered with paint. Yeah, I'm like, I barely
Speaker 2: moved for twelve weeks and just survived off twisties and
Speaker 2: second trimester. I've definitely gotten better, but I've been on
Speaker 2: zol off the whole time. But I feel bad about
Speaker 2: winging about being pregnant because it took me so long
Speaker 2: to get pregnant. So I don't want to be seen
Speaker 2: as being a dick about it because I am very
Speaker 2: grateful and very thankful, but it is not as nice
Speaker 2: as an experience as I.
Speaker 1: Thought it would.
Speaker 2: I genuinely thought it would be nice.
Speaker 3: A lot of people have a really terrible time when
Speaker 3: they're pregnant, and yet there are seven billion people in
Speaker 3: the world, so you do know that the payoff has
Speaker 3: to be quite spectacular.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly And did you have bad morning sickness?
Speaker 1: Yes, yep.
Speaker 2: And I was hosting Pete Hellier at the Sydney Writers
Speaker 2: Festival was on session, and I didn't want to tell
Speaker 2: Pe because I want to stress him out or like
Speaker 2: make him feel like I wasn't capable of hosting him.
Speaker 2: But I threw up before the session, after the session,
Speaker 2: like the whole before we got there in the car,
Speaker 2: you know, and it's just wild how amazing women are
Speaker 2: really is what it does to your brain, not only
Speaker 2: to survive like the endurance of infertility, but then to
Speaker 2: go through the experience of successful pregnancy and be like,
Speaker 2: whoa this is Like I feel like my brain is
Speaker 2: like what is happening?
Speaker 1: Because you kind of get to a point with IVF.
Speaker 2: You get stuck in the rounds, you get stuck in
Speaker 2: the es, you get stuck in the embryo quality, you
Speaker 2: get stuck in the is sticky?
Speaker 1: Is it going to stay?
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden you kicked out of
Speaker 2: the IVF clinic. They're like say, yeah, go to an OB,
Speaker 2: and you go to your OB and then you sort
Speaker 2: of on another path very rapidly after years and years
Speaker 2: of being stuck in sort of neutral, and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden you're in third year and you don't know
Speaker 2: what to do. But I'm kind of enjoying not knowing
Speaker 2: what to do because I'm a bit of a control
Speaker 2: freak and I kind of love that. I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't know what's going to happen. When this kid comes
Speaker 2: out of me? How am I going to change? That's
Speaker 2: kind of it's scary, but I'm also like ready for
Speaker 2: the change.
Speaker 1: Next, Tanua reveals how Christmas became more than a holiday.
Speaker 3: It became the promise of a family she'd fought so
Speaker 3: hard for. Have you projected yourself into the future space
Speaker 3: of being a parent with Tom and worked out what
Speaker 3: sort of parent you're going to be?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: What is your I think there's always like a Hallmark
Speaker 3: movie moment that is your on your mental vision board
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 1: Christmas yours Christmas?
Speaker 2: Right, So this year would be our eighth Christmas without
Speaker 2: a baby. And Christmas has always been a really tough
Speaker 2: time a year because I love it so much, and
Speaker 2: you know, every is a marker of time, and it's like,
Speaker 2: damn it. You know, we didn't have a baby this year.
Speaker 2: Nothing happens like it's passing time and I'm aging and
Speaker 2: that's not a good thing in the clinics, you know,
Speaker 2: it's and I'm actually due on Christmas Day, which feels like.
Speaker 1: Such a gift. I know that is that's a movie.
Speaker 2: So then I think about like fun Christmas names, but
Speaker 2: then I'm like, no, you can't call your kid Noel
Speaker 2: or can you? I don't know, well, Nol was a
Speaker 2: proper name in Nol is cool, but like Holly is
Speaker 2: Missletoe too far? Probably ellef ELpH Santa. I don't just
Speaker 2: got a fierce But so Christmas is something like we
Speaker 2: you know where, like people who went to New York
Speaker 2: for Christmas because we just love Christmas. I decorate the
Speaker 2: four Christmas trees.
Speaker 1: One is pink.
Speaker 2: I've got a Christmas book. I love Christmas, It's my thing.
Speaker 2: And I've been buying Christmas presents for this baby for
Speaker 2: so long, so it's gonna be nice to actually get
Speaker 2: them out. I bought them a good Christmas sack, like
Speaker 2: maybe Stocking Stocking twenty sixteen, and I've just hung onto
Speaker 2: it and put stuff in there for years.
Speaker 1: Oh really like a glory box for a baby. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And what's in there?
Speaker 2: Oh, there's like blankets and like random toys and just
Speaker 2: you know, like a puppy surprise.
Speaker 1: Because it's more just as I.
Speaker 2: Like pollypocket in there. I was sure what I was
Speaker 2: going to have, so I just got a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 2: But it's more sometimes when the transfer works and then
Speaker 2: you have a chemical for that three days, your brain
Speaker 2: gets tricked into believing you're going to be a parent.
Speaker 2: So a lot of it's been purchased during those times
Speaker 2: or Yeah, but you know, the amount of gifts that
Speaker 2: we've gotten from family members that brought them eight years
Speaker 2: ago is like the coolest thing because you're like, these gifts,
Speaker 2: even though they're kind.
Speaker 1: Of people are bringing them out, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: People held onto them like, Wow, they.
Speaker 1: Had so much faith and hope.
Speaker 2: Like I think that if there's one thing that like,
Speaker 2: you can take almost anything from me anything, but like
Speaker 2: you'll never be able to take my hope or creativity.
Speaker 2: And they're the two things that have help me survive hope.
Speaker 2: And I don't know how how I managed to go
Speaker 2: through this because I look back on it now and
Speaker 2: I feel very sad for myself. Like you, poor bitch,
Speaker 2: what you've been through, Like hope is loud.
Speaker 3: You must have had a time during the process in
Speaker 3: which you felt that hope was lost or did you never?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a video of it. I lost my mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually filmed a documentary on it. It was
Speaker 2: called Sticky Film. Yeah, three Rounds of IVF.
Speaker 3: Was this the doco that didn't end up getting shown.
Speaker 3: Was that that much?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no one bought it, And.
Speaker 2: I understand why no one bought it now because I
Speaker 2: mean that was filmed in twenty twenty and it didn't
Speaker 2: work till twenty twenty five, so that would have been
Speaker 2: a long investment for a potential.
Speaker 4: Zeero Oh was the idea to follow you, Yeah, because
Speaker 4: I wanted to show the reality IVF and like the
Speaker 4: funniness because sometimes it's funny, like you know, once they did.
Speaker 2: You know, they did the thingies up the bomb. What
Speaker 2: do they call the oppositories for painkiller? They didn't like
Speaker 2: a scan for the eggs internally, right, They took blood
Speaker 2: out of me and then they go, now we also
Speaker 2: need to do a COVID test. I was like, what
Speaker 2: orifice will you not go in today? And the answer
Speaker 2: is all of them? You know what I mean? I said,
Speaker 2: why can't Tom do the bloody COVID test? He his
Speaker 2: anus has not been taken a frigging painkiller, like come on,
Speaker 2: and it's like, that's always better for the woman to
Speaker 2: do it. But yeah, like rough rough Town McGee. But
Speaker 2: I understand why I want picked it up. But the
Speaker 2: footage was quite cool because Amy Schumer did a documentary
Speaker 2: about her experience being pregnant.
Speaker 1: I think she had HG.
Speaker 2: She had really bad morning sickness, and she was touring
Speaker 2: comedy and I was like, wouldn't it be cool to
Speaker 2: see the process of fertility. But also I was working,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like I was like hosting
Speaker 2: the actors for the digital section, and I was, you know,
Speaker 2: making sponsored content at the time. I was doing a
Speaker 2: lot of panel shows, and it was like interesting to
Speaker 2: have these two sort of diametrically opposed things running together.
Speaker 2: And I was like, that would make a great doco.
Speaker 2: But everyone said no to it, and I was like,
Speaker 2: Jesus fucking Christ, that's rough. But also that's the industry
Speaker 2: that was in response to.
Speaker 1: When you lost hope.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to find some meaning and maybe if
Speaker 2: I could turn my pain into purpose it would be
Speaker 2: somehow worth it. And I think as a content creator
Speaker 2: and a radio announcer and a writer, to have all.
Speaker 1: This sadness and no lesson or no.
Speaker 2: Nothing I could gain out of it just felt so
Speaker 2: worthless and pointless. Girl, These these I like threw I
Speaker 2: threw a vase this day because I was like, they said,
Speaker 2: I'll called up and said no brios nothing and I
Speaker 2: was like, I just gained like twenty kilos nothing is
Speaker 2: what like?
Speaker 1: This is?
Speaker 2: This is wildly unfair because you normally go to the
Speaker 2: doctor and the doctor goes, you got a broken leg.
Speaker 1: Here's what you do about it.
Speaker 2: You go, hey, I got broken fertility, and they go,
Speaker 2: we don't know, but we are going to use you
Speaker 2: as a human test dummy for the next twelve to
Speaker 2: fifteen months and we can't promise anything, and it's like
Speaker 2: it's not their fault, but you're like it makes you
Speaker 2: incensed within, like you're furious about like why why can't
Speaker 2: anyone help me or promise me? And you're just looking around, going, well,
Speaker 2: someone tell me if this is going to work. And
Speaker 2: the answer is no one can.
Speaker 1: So that's why the hope is so necessary to get through.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I had rough times where I was like,
Speaker 2: that's why I have to take like eight months off
Speaker 2: just to survive.
Speaker 3: And what was the infertility was attributed to your indo? Yeah,
Speaker 3: which when we you diagnosed with.
Speaker 1: That like twenty twenty two? Are that late? Yes? That's why?
Speaker 1: Oh yes, oh what girl? It was on the scan.
Speaker 2: So when they did the internal that I begged for
Speaker 2: in the internal They were like, girl, you've got really
Speaker 2: bad endo. How do you Your periods must be awful.
Speaker 2: And I was like, this is just the radiographer or whatever,
Speaker 2: you know, she's doing the internal scan.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if there were a job position.
Speaker 2: Sorry, And and I was like, I have ENDO and
Speaker 2: she's like, yes, it's on your bow, it's everywhere. I
Speaker 2: was like, she's like, yeah, this is like stage four.
Speaker 2: She's like, I'm not allowed to diagnose though, but you can.
Speaker 2: It's very it's bad.
Speaker 1: How many stages are they, by the way.
Speaker 2: But oh okay, yeah, so one's four, which means on
Speaker 2: another it's on another part of your body. So I've
Speaker 2: got it in my uterus and bow, or you can
Speaker 2: have it on your lungs, you can have a new kidney,
Speaker 2: you can have it. Some people get in their brain
Speaker 2: their heart like it's crazy because they don't quite know
Speaker 2: what it is.
Speaker 1: Right, So it's just it's this excess tissue. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's inflammatory as well, right.
Speaker 3: So Tanya, So twenty twenty two, you have been exploring
Speaker 3: the obstacles to your fertility for four years?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Four years? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Has no one, no medical professional at any time during that.
Speaker 1: For two years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So after I did The Jungle, after I did
Speaker 2: I'm a Celeb, there was a lot of like, oh,
Speaker 2: you've got you know, you keep traveling and you're missing cycles,
Speaker 2: but you're young and you're healthier chicken, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. That's that's where that conversation came from. The
Speaker 2: first two years we were doing with our medical assistance,
Speaker 2: and then the second so I was just doing on
Speaker 2: TikTok with you.
Speaker 1: But you've still seen a doctor.
Speaker 3: You've seen a doctor, and has nobody said at this
Speaker 3: point this is a good starting place for women who
Speaker 3: are experiencing fertility issues, is let's have a look at
Speaker 3: what's going on.
Speaker 2: Didn't happen, No, And that's why that's yeah, it makes sense,
Speaker 2: was what I'm saying about advocation, Like I wish I
Speaker 2: had a known that endo was even gonna do this
Speaker 2: to me, Like I thought my pain was super normal.
Speaker 2: Also like I don't know, I'm kind of like the
Speaker 2: ENDO is annoying, but I can survive it. What I
Speaker 2: couldn't survive was not being a parent. And I'm not
Speaker 2: real good at taking no as an answer, Like in general,
Speaker 2: if I want.
Speaker 3: Something, yes, but the no could have been a maybe
Speaker 3: or even a yes earlier.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: I like, why didn't they find it when I was
Speaker 2: a teenager and I had to take two days off
Speaker 2: from school most of my year ten eleven twelve? Why
Speaker 2: didn't When we first go to the GP, they look
Speaker 2: at that, but it was, oh, you've got to lose.
Speaker 1: Weight, you know.
Speaker 2: It was every excuse instead of like, let's do an internal,
Speaker 2: and that's what I begged for the internal. That's when
Speaker 2: it all shifted none out of surgery and then straight
Speaker 2: to IVF. And then I went on a menopause drug,
Speaker 2: a synthetic menopause drug that which was really messed up.
Speaker 2: I took that flick six months and it basically stops
Speaker 2: your menstrual flow, so it stops your eggs from getting
Speaker 2: amongst the endometriosis and the inflammation. But as a result
Speaker 2: you go it two synthetic menopause.
Speaker 1: I'm not looking forward to menopause.
Speaker 2: After like six months of it, I was like, Wow, Like,
Speaker 2: you get the hot flushes, you get really emotional, your
Speaker 2: boobs go up and down, all of the symptoms of menopause,
Speaker 2: but you're trying to achieve the opposite.
Speaker 1: So through all of this, you're being funny, ampt you're
Speaker 1: being funny. I'm actually achieved attempt like it's amazing.
Speaker 3: And I say this as someone whose son had leukemia
Speaker 3: and I did my job, which was also being funny
Speaker 3: for four years and people would always go, I don't
Speaker 3: know how you did it.
Speaker 1: But now I'm.
Speaker 3: Saying to you, yeah, so true. But I understand because in.
Speaker 1: My cause you see, yeah, what you well?
Speaker 3: In my case, it was sometimes the only I was
Speaker 3: doing breakfast radio with Hughsey.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's way. It was breaky.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was breaky. And very often I couldn't make
Speaker 3: it to the studio. I'd have to be at the
Speaker 3: hospital or home with our other three children for various
Speaker 3: reasons when things were really terrible. But when I did
Speaker 3: make it there, it would sometimes be the only time
Speaker 3: in my day, in my week, in my month that
Speaker 3: was not about cancer. Oh and do you find that,
Speaker 3: did you find that blessed release?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: For sure, because yeah, like one thing I loved about
Speaker 2: doing full time radio and I'm not done full time
Speaker 2: radio on a long time now, but god, I loved
Speaker 2: it back in the day when it was there's only
Speaker 2: eight people doing full time I know, but because really,
Speaker 2: no matter what was going on in my life, I
Speaker 2: could always go on air and it would just disappear.
Speaker 1: Everything else would disappear.
Speaker 2: And you know, if it's the antidote to anxiety really
Speaker 2: because you're so present, because you have to be you
Speaker 2: have to be right there in the moment, listening, responding, reacting,
Speaker 2: live and one hundred percent one hundred percent content creation
Speaker 2: and you know, doing film, television, books, books, book tours, whatever, podcasting.
Speaker 2: It became my safe space and fund space because it
Speaker 2: was like nothing else.
Speaker 1: You've also had.
Speaker 3: You know, there are parallels in our experience in so
Speaker 3: far as that goes, but you also had it going
Speaker 3: on within your body and the flattening that can happen
Speaker 3: with hormonal surges and treatments and whatever is like nummy.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: But Kate, like, I freelance so I can choose whether
Speaker 2: or not I do and don't work, which not all
Speaker 2: the time because sometimes you need money to.
Speaker 1: Live and rent to this concepts.
Speaker 2: But like I think, when you work in a team,
Speaker 2: like how you know you were with hughs, it's so
Speaker 2: hard to not come into work because you do feel like,
Speaker 2: oh no, you know, I'm like the team and the
Speaker 2: team and this, and you hold it differently to when
Speaker 2: you're a freelancer doing it solo. But I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: I had to cancel a lot. I still I don't
Speaker 2: like to cancel a lot like or at all, because
Speaker 2: I still have that And I don't know if.
Speaker 1: You have this still.
Speaker 2: I'd be interested to know, because I do see a
Speaker 2: lot of myself in you imposter syndrome, Like I'm so
Speaker 2: scared to say no to an opportunity because of what
Speaker 2: if it never comes up again.
Speaker 1: So that's why I never want to cancel all or anything.
Speaker 3: That's a freelancer thing. And I think showbies generally as well.
Speaker 3: If you're not a NEPO baby and you haven't been
Speaker 3: born with this clear pathway to you know, the yellow
Speaker 3: brick road that leads to OZ, then I think you
Speaker 3: always have a thing that I need to accept this
Speaker 3: opportunity because this opportunity may not come again.
Speaker 1: And it's true that certain opportunities only come once.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I had this amazing opportunity the other day.
Speaker 2: I lost my mind over it. It was an animation.
Speaker 2: Can you deal doing an animation? It's like my freaking dream.
Speaker 2: And it was a villain. It was a cartoon villain,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my god. And I auditioned,
Speaker 2: I did the whole thing, and I got it. And
Speaker 2: I've auditioned a lot and gotten nothing, Like I'm not
Speaker 2: even kidding a probably auditioned for one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: things back in the day and got literally nothing. I
Speaker 2: am actually incredibly talented at not getting auditions, unbelievably skilled. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I should write about it. But I got this job,
Speaker 2: and I was so sick, I was so mourning sick.
Speaker 2: But I was like, I'm going to take everything. It's
Speaker 2: a ball and I'm going to pretend. And once I
Speaker 2: got behind the microphone, you know, I was, you know,
Speaker 2: going through it. But I was like, come on, come on,
Speaker 2: this is like and it was the best day. It
Speaker 2: was the best day of my career. And I got
Speaker 2: to push it away for like a bit and get there.
Speaker 2: But like it's so different. This pain, like not pain,
Speaker 2: but like this, you know, the difficulty of pregnancy is
Speaker 2: nothing compared to the difficulty of infertility.
Speaker 1: Like I don't prefer this.
Speaker 3: Then, well because also one is finite and one is infinite.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, real infinite, and that's the hardest part of it.
Speaker 1: And when you imagined your life.
Speaker 3: I know that you said you and Tom. Tom was
Speaker 3: always like, we're going to have a great life. What
Speaker 3: was it that was so important about having a child?
Speaker 1: To you?
Speaker 2: I feel like a part of me just wouldn't have
Speaker 2: felt whole. And I hate saying that because I know
Speaker 2: some people can't have children, they don't want to have children.
Speaker 2: But I I'm speaking on my personal.
Speaker 3: Life course, and can I just say as well, there's
Speaker 3: a real tendency for us not want to not want
Speaker 3: to hurt other people with what we have, and I
Speaker 3: do think you need to set that aside, because not
Speaker 3: everyone can have everything. It's really hard, it's terrible. We
Speaker 3: all have friends who have not held in their arms.
Speaker 3: It's a little one that they wanted to hold.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Isn't that blue episode?
Speaker 2: That blue episode where the aunt cast day because she
Speaker 2: can't have children? God, that episode is so meaningful to
Speaker 2: me because I felt like I've not been the best aunt.
Speaker 1: When did you see it? Where were you at when
Speaker 1: you saw it?
Speaker 2: I think I was like round six of IVY and
Speaker 2: I was like no, no, no, no, five, five, And
Speaker 2: I was like, oh God, And I wasn't getting anything
Speaker 2: as my eggs kept breaking because the quality was so bad,
Speaker 2: and so then just yeah, I don't know. I think
Speaker 2: I've always wanted to be a parent. I want to
Speaker 2: know how it feels. I want to know what life
Speaker 2: is like to be a parent. I want to see
Speaker 2: the world through a child's eyes.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like I just need to see them. I
Speaker 2: need to meet them.
Speaker 1: What do they like? What are they? Do they like cricket?
Speaker 1: Do they like them?
Speaker 3: For your sake that they don't like cricket?
Speaker 1: Girl?
Speaker 2: If aught on a Sunday, I can't, I am anyway,
Speaker 2: But no, you know, I'm like, I'm just fascinated to know.
Speaker 3: After this break, Tanya gets real about the fears that
Speaker 3: linger even as she counts down to becoming a mom.
Speaker 1: What were you like when you were young?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I was a little shit. I'm so
Speaker 2: afraid for myself. I was so naughty, I was so
Speaker 2: like opinionated. When I was three, I had my own radio.
Speaker 1: Show, you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 2: I was, you know those like little It was like
Speaker 2: a Fisher and Pike cool thing, and you'd press record
Speaker 2: and play at the same time and record your own
Speaker 2: voice and had a little microphone attached to it's like
Speaker 2: white plastic with a fisher and pike, sort of red
Speaker 2: and blue.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, right, yeah yeah, you had that.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I used to say words that rhymed with duck,
Speaker 2: you know, just for entertainment for my parents, and.
Speaker 1: They were like, go away.
Speaker 2: And I was a real little teenage nightmare, very opinionated,
Speaker 2: very creatively stuck. Radio saved my life because I I
Speaker 2: could finally be creative in my own terms. Really, because
Speaker 2: being an actor you wait for opportunities. Radio yes is just.
Speaker 3: Do yes, and there's an immediac. There's an immediac that
Speaker 3: really suits you.
Speaker 1: Yes. And same with social.
Speaker 2: Social really opened up the world for me in terms
Speaker 2: of creating because it's I find creating insatiable, Like I
Speaker 2: just want to make and create. Like I wrote five
Speaker 2: books this year. It's August. I've been pregnant and done
Speaker 2: around the five years and had an endo surgery.
Speaker 1: I just am very addicted to stories.
Speaker 2: I love to tell stories, write stories, connect with people,
Speaker 2: and I just I want this baby to grow up
Speaker 2: in the I don't know magical way that I did.
Speaker 2: You know, I had such a great childhood and my
Speaker 2: pop was so present, you know, I want them to
Speaker 2: be like a part of my parents' life and my
Speaker 2: brothers and sisters.
Speaker 1: And you know, how is Tom's family? What's his family situation?
Speaker 2: So he's the youngest of four and yeah, all girls,
Speaker 2: and they have all had children, like long, long time,
Speaker 2: Like the oldest is old.
Speaker 1: Ah, so you've got babysitters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they live in Bloody to Woomba. Ah, I
Speaker 2: live not into womb Yeah. Yeah, but I'm sure they'll
Speaker 2: come down. They're all really pretty. Tom's sisters, they're all
Speaker 2: very attractive. But they all have long, dark hair, and
Speaker 2: so do I, which makes me slightly confus about Tom's
Speaker 2: issues with family, right, Like I have long lack hair
Speaker 2: and all the like, Bro, what's this about.
Speaker 1: Let's well, there's not that many choices.
Speaker 3: No, you're right, I mean really, it's it's not that strange.
Speaker 2: And Ted Bundy loved to a girl with long, straight hair.
Speaker 2: So does he call you sis? Twice?
Speaker 1: He has no Sometimes I call him mum though, because
Speaker 1: he does so much for me.
Speaker 2: And he's a chef, right, so his love language is foods,
Speaker 2: so he's like making food all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm like, thanks, Mom, Like Jesus, Nope, that's not Okay,
Speaker 1: is your plan when the baby comes? What's your work plan?
Speaker 2: Tom's going to be a stay at home dad, so
Speaker 2: he we've structured it so he will not work for
Speaker 2: twelve months, and I'll probably work within three months of
Speaker 2: uh giving birth. But I'll do a sea section. Not
Speaker 2: saying that that's easier. I think it's actually going to
Speaker 2: be harder. I'm not sure what's happened there. I've got
Speaker 2: to have to see a midwife because I'm like, what
Speaker 2: happens after it's out? Like, do you chat to it
Speaker 2: for a little bit. It's obviously varied it.
Speaker 1: Ah, if you're are you having a C section? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well I know about that because I've had four of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So I don't have the option because of my endometriosis.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: So they'll they give the baby to the alleged father,
Speaker 3: all yes, as I call Peter Lewis, and then you
Speaker 3: they kind of clean you.
Speaker 1: Up and stitch you up. Yeah, very important to stitch
Speaker 1: you up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then it's sometimes it's quite sort of quick,
Speaker 3: maybe an hour, but I had one that was a
Speaker 3: bit wonky and that was maybe two and a half
Speaker 3: hours until I saw Peter and the baby.
Speaker 1: Oh, so they kind of go away with the baby.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they yes, because they're not in the operating room
Speaker 3: or you're getting all that done. And then you see
Speaker 3: the baby. I'll turn your hair nessy. I mean you
Speaker 3: see the baby straight away. When you have the baby,
Speaker 3: they put the baby on your chest, so you have
Speaker 3: that moment, and they dangle the baby.
Speaker 1: Over the screen. I love a dangle. That's the dangle
Speaker 1: is great.
Speaker 3: And then Tom will probably be up because I said
Speaker 3: I didn't want Peter seeing my innards.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you are about that, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's already.
Speaker 3: I never wanted him down that, you know, business end,
Speaker 3: which was once was the party.
Speaker 1: End, party end.
Speaker 3: And then he'll be there like stroking your head with
Speaker 3: a little with your hair net on, and then hopefully
Speaker 3: one of the kind people in the operating theater will
Speaker 3: be filming it for you, also once again omitting the
Speaker 3: parts in which you're cut open like a whale. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I didn't want to see any of those.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 3: And then they hand you the baby, and then the
Speaker 3: baby is on your chest and then you're like, oh
Speaker 3: my goodness, this is who you were all the time.
Speaker 3: How did I not know it was you.
Speaker 1: You make perfect scenes, don't. Okay, that's all that's going
Speaker 1: to be you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so bizarre because you go you see them
Speaker 2: as it as an embryo on a screen, you know,
Speaker 2: and they're oh gosh, they're like a pin prick right
Speaker 2: like it's nothing.
Speaker 1: You can't even see it.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden it's it's got a heartbeat,
Speaker 2: but it's just a jelly bean. And then it looks
Speaker 2: like a lizard for a couple of months, and then
Speaker 2: it sort of looks like a person.
Speaker 1: What size are you at now? It's the size of
Speaker 1: There was a cant Live Night.
Speaker 2: A Cadbury Easter Bunny. I've gone with the chocolate because
Speaker 2: you can.
Speaker 1: I've got an app where you can pick things like
Speaker 1: do you do fruit? I was like, nah, I'll do
Speaker 1: I'll do the chocolate Cadbury Easter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what the big buddy are the bunny like
Speaker 2: you know, like the the elegant rabbit.
Speaker 1: No, not the elegant won the bog of money.
Speaker 2: Just like not that that's red Shure sort of thee
Speaker 2: down from that, like.
Speaker 1: The middle side.
Speaker 3: Okay, and you know what you're having? I do I
Speaker 3: do yeah, and are you keeping that under wraps?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of it has to do
Speaker 2: with fear. I'm like, what if I say it out
Speaker 2: loud and then they don't come?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like that strange thing about not not buying
Speaker 3: baby clothes.
Speaker 2: I've not bought anything myself yet, like I have in
Speaker 2: the past, but not currently. We do have a pram
Speaker 2: at home that we were sent, which was like the
Speaker 2: wildest thing. I was like, who sends a pram?
Speaker 1: This is who did send a pram? A company? A company?
Speaker 1: Oh lovely, Yeah, I'll take a what else?
Speaker 2: Yes, a Suzuki? What can I what can I take?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like it's it's it's scary still, it's I'm scared most days.
Speaker 1: Okay, Tan, here's say this to you. Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 3: When you become a parent, you also become the carrier
Speaker 3: of a parcel of fear.
Speaker 1: Oh great, you just do.
Speaker 3: Because there are certain things in the world that when
Speaker 3: it's involving you, you feel that you have some autonomy
Speaker 3: over all, that you can handle it or whatever. But
Speaker 3: when you have a baby, you're putting your little ship
Speaker 3: out to see in the stormiest of waters.
Speaker 1: Whatever you don't know what that little boat is going
Speaker 1: to encounter.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I see with my friends all
Speaker 2: the time and like kids get bullied and whatever. Can
Speaker 2: you not go down to the school and bash them?
Speaker 1: Like so, well, I have I have done a bit
Speaker 1: of this. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I work.
Speaker 3: But part of it as well is you have to
Speaker 3: have the faith that you had that.
Speaker 1: Has led you to here.
Speaker 3: Yes, one hundred us and most people in the world
Speaker 3: are deserving of that faith.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: And if there's a gift that you can give your
Speaker 3: unborn child, it is to give them that faith and
Speaker 3: instill them with that faith in the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone told me something really interesting. Long story, but
Speaker 2: I randomly played a drug dealer on Bump, the Christmas movie.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah right, ah regnant by the way.
Speaker 2: Aha ah, rolling around playing this drug dealer with tats
Speaker 2: on my face like it was actually really iconic. But
Speaker 2: I said to Claudia carbon I was like, do you
Speaker 2: have any advice for me because you have kids? And
Speaker 2: she goes, everything is temporary, and I was like, that
Speaker 2: is excellent.
Speaker 1: Including the tattoos on your face.
Speaker 2: Well one has lasted. It's some serious exfoliation, but yes,
Speaker 2: she said everything's temporary, so.
Speaker 1: Like it will end.
Speaker 2: So once you become great of being a toddler mom, goodbye,
Speaker 2: they're they're at school, and then you you know, it's temporary.
Speaker 1: And I was like, so true.
Speaker 3: When do you think you'll allow yourself the luxury of
Speaker 3: leaning into it and believing that it's going to happen.
Speaker 2: When they cut it out and dangle. Oh, I just
Speaker 2: hope they're okay. I'm just like, are you okay in there?
Speaker 2: Am I eating the right food? But also I mean people,
Speaker 2: oh meth and her Oh, Tanya to tell you?
Speaker 1: Can I tell you?
Speaker 2: I were a fertility specialist way back at the day
Speaker 2: and I said, she goes, now, do you smoke?
Speaker 1: I said no.
Speaker 2: She goes, great, that's really bad for you. Do you
Speaker 2: do any recreation of drugs?
Speaker 1: Meth? What do you any of that? I said no,
Speaker 1: as a recreational.
Speaker 2: Drug, meth And I said no, and she goes, well,
Speaker 2: to be honest, meth isn't the worst.
Speaker 1: You're better to have meth than cigarettes. Oh.
Speaker 3: I was like, imagine, imagine me just casually what like.
Speaker 3: So it's back to the other thing that I think
Speaker 3: is it's a massive industry frightening women. When they're pregnant.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, about what about everything about what you can
Speaker 3: eat and what you blah blah and you. Oh, and
Speaker 3: there's too much information out there the world. There is,
Speaker 3: and it's a list that they're like always adding to.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but once again, I go seven billion people in
Speaker 3: the world, and there's a lot of soft cheeses that
Speaker 3: have been eaten.
Speaker 2: Right, yes, the I because I've had such a crazy road,
Speaker 2: I refuse to eat anything bad. I'm like, I will
Speaker 2: not eat the soft jeep, I won't eat ruddy eggs,
Speaker 2: I won't eat ham in saying that the day this
Speaker 2: kid comes out of me, I am going to be
Speaker 2: hit hard with some botox, retinol, every kind of.
Speaker 1: Alcohol, and a drive through Maca's meal.
Speaker 2: Oh god, I love McDonald's so much.
Speaker 1: I never loved it more.
Speaker 3: I guarantee no matter where you have the baby, there'll
Speaker 3: be a McDonald's nearby.
Speaker 1: It's the rule of hospitals, I hope.
Speaker 2: So actually that is true. You know what's been really nice? Okay,
Speaker 2: Like where I go to the pharmacy. I used to
Speaker 2: go get all my fertility meds, right, and then I
Speaker 2: went to get all my end demetrios surgery, you know,
Speaker 2: my painkillers, and then I went to go get my
Speaker 2: it was all off. So they know that I'm pregnant
Speaker 2: before anybody else. And the women in the pharmacy are
Speaker 2: just so beautiful and they all got together.
Speaker 1: And they're like, we know, oh my god, you.
Speaker 2: Know all the nurses that saw me for my endo
Speaker 2: surgery and every like both of them, and you know,
Speaker 2: it's so lovely how how much love I've been shown
Speaker 2: and how much support I've been shown.
Speaker 1: And I feel.
Speaker 2: So like grateful for people giving a shit about this story,
Speaker 2: to be honest, Like when I shared it, I thought
Speaker 2: it was going to be like twenty minutes later I
Speaker 2: was gonna have a baby. I thought i'd have a
Speaker 2: far year old by now, the whole story just kind
Speaker 2: of I really didn't see it lasting this long.
Speaker 3: But you know why, because you have invited people in
Speaker 3: and it resonates with you know, it's a universal desire.
Speaker 1: True.
Speaker 3: Without the desire to have children, that's the end of us.
Speaker 3: And it's particularly unusual for someone who has a profile
Speaker 3: to share so openly, yeah, their pain. And it's also
Speaker 3: because you hold a place of affection in people's hearts
Speaker 3: because of your comedic work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe people are just so lovely and I'm constantly
Speaker 2: shocked at how many people care, like even just like
Speaker 2: we go for walks and people stop.
Speaker 1: Us on walks.
Speaker 2: I guess the thing is, sometimes I'm very confused as
Speaker 2: to how many people know who I am o K.
Speaker 2: Because I just like make social media contact by myself.
Speaker 2: You do radio by yourself.
Speaker 1: Sort of thing. You know, it's very like, you know,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden people know who you're on.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, okay, whoops, sorry, I forget.
Speaker 3: And why are you surprised that people are so loving
Speaker 3: towards you?
Speaker 2: Oh, I just didn't think people would kind of care
Speaker 2: like for people like thumbs up, move on. You know,
Speaker 2: it's so lovely that people hold space for you. In
Speaker 2: a world where time is a commodity, caring is like
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Caring is hard for when
Speaker 2: you know we've got no time in space for anyone
Speaker 2: or anything other than ourselves. Often, you know, because life
Speaker 2: is hard and stressful, and so the fact that someone
Speaker 2: could remember my name and remember that I went through
Speaker 2: a struggle then can remember that I got.
Speaker 1: It to work is kind of amazing in this day
Speaker 1: and age. It really is. But also because life is
Speaker 1: hard and stressful, that's why you need a baby.
Speaker 3: So true, that is just the that is the It's
Speaker 3: like looking into a fire.
Speaker 2: Do you miss your babies? Like, do you miss your
Speaker 2: kids as babies?
Speaker 3: Ah, I'm not very nostalgic, and I don't know if
Speaker 3: that is because one of my children nearly died, so
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's because of that that I'm
Speaker 3: not particularly Yeah, but I was outside a primary school
Speaker 3: the other day and I went, oh, do I miss
Speaker 3: that aspects of it? I do, I think, But also
Speaker 3: I'm really glad I don't have to do school pickup.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. But I don't want to put you off.
Speaker 1: School's great schools. It's not at all like you're going
Speaker 1: back to school. Girl.
Speaker 2: I'm so bad at mouth and stuff like that. I
Speaker 2: don't know what I'm going to do in saying that.
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to go really narcissistic foot boo
Speaker 2: quick because I've written kids books. There's no way my
Speaker 2: kid is not going as Pink Santa. I am going
Speaker 2: to use my child. There's a little bit of marketing there.
Speaker 2: Got Pinky's to coming out.
Speaker 1: In Easter.
Speaker 3: Well, you know the child is an extinsion of you
Speaker 3: and an extension of Tom. So the child is going
Speaker 3: to be more Tom's.
Speaker 1: Such a lovely man.
Speaker 2: God, I hope they more Tom than me.
Speaker 3: Well, how is he, by the way, when you told him?
Speaker 3: And when did you tell him? Was he with you?
Speaker 1: Well? Am? I bled on Easter?
Speaker 2: And so I was like that was four days or
Speaker 2: five days after the transfers wile I was like, it's chemical,
Speaker 2: it's not worked again. And then we called the ivy
Speaker 2: F clinic went in for bloods HGG levels rising and
Speaker 2: they were like, no, it's actually very positive. Your hCG
Speaker 2: is almost twins. It's really high. So the blood is nothing,
Speaker 2: don't worry about it. And so I think people do
Speaker 2: expect this moment where you tell them, but it's more
Speaker 2: like like a clock, it's just slowly ticking. And so
Speaker 2: with my mom and my siblings and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: there's no moment because they were there. They were there
Speaker 2: when I bled, and so I was like, okay, so
Speaker 2: it's positive, but we're not sure and no one, No
Speaker 2: one goes WHOA because it's six seven days. So it
Speaker 2: is It is definitely different to a traditional pregnancy. And
Speaker 2: when I see people do these big announcement videos. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm so kind of jealous in a way, but I
Speaker 2: would never take back my experience because what I have
Speaker 2: is so great. But it's definitely different to that reveal
Speaker 2: or like when he comes home with a pregnancy test
Speaker 2: it's positive, Like I more tested, So once I found out,
Speaker 2: I probably went through like seventy pregnancy tests because I
Speaker 2: would test three or four and if the line got lighter,
Speaker 2: i'd have a yeah. Like so I'm just like, please stay,
Speaker 2: please stay with me. And they come to me sometimes
Speaker 2: in a like acupuncture and stuff like that. I don't
Speaker 2: have to do that much anymore, and I still do
Speaker 2: it for stress relief, but I'm asking.
Speaker 1: What is your name? What is your name?
Speaker 2: Did you know your kids' names? Do they present them
Speaker 2: to you?
Speaker 3: Or I think by number three, we were having trouble. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and because they came quite rapidly. Yeah, it was the
Speaker 3: same thing, I think. And because I had my babies
Speaker 3: quite late, and you know, you hear so much about
Speaker 3: declining fertility or whatever, we just weren't prepared that when
Speaker 3: you open the damn wall, what can be waiting behind there.
Speaker 3: So by number three, we had trouble, but Lewis Lewis
Speaker 3: was self evident. Yes, fierce Sunday Lewis. We knew because
Speaker 3: Sunday would have been Lewis's name. If Sunday was if
Speaker 3: Lewis was a girl, then we had Artie Honore Lewis,
Speaker 3: who's number three, and then Yarny after my dad.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, are you doing family names or well?
Speaker 2: See, I quite like I was saying this is to
Speaker 2: your fair. I quite like Hennessy, which is my last
Speaker 2: name as.
Speaker 1: A fair, which is a beautiful name. Girl. Is it
Speaker 1: not Nasa? So like, I feel like I'm so up
Speaker 1: why I feel like people be like, there's Azili.
Speaker 3: Nay, but but you know what, people smile true like
Speaker 3: really although would it be it wouldn't be Hennessy Hennessy, No, but.
Speaker 2: That would be kind of fierce Very Lewis Lewis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very Lewis Lewis.
Speaker 3: I love it so good you named her him.
Speaker 2: It's just people must be like, is it a non
Speaker 2: binary baby?
Speaker 1: It's not.
Speaker 2: It's just easier way for me to communicate it because
Speaker 2: I want to say the gender is so bad, but
Speaker 2: I don't want to muck myself up.
Speaker 3: No, don't and I won't make you. What have you
Speaker 3: learnt about yourself? Do you think that's surprised you.
Speaker 2: I've always thought I was resilient, and now I know
Speaker 2: I'm resilient. I think that I've been in parenting boot
Speaker 2: camp since I decided that I, well, we decided we
Speaker 2: want to have kids, which was seven years ago. So
Speaker 2: I feel like, if there's one thing I've learned, it's patience,
Speaker 2: which I've always struggled with as somebody who does content
Speaker 2: and creation immediac with immediacy, so patience is something I
Speaker 2: really struggle with, which is why I have not done
Speaker 2: film or television because it's very long and it's very annoying.
Speaker 2: But I've learned patience. I've also learned more better boundaries.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you the second I got pregnant, I feel
Speaker 2: like my boundaries and people pleasing shifted.
Speaker 1: Hard how well.
Speaker 2: I was like, I no longer can just like listen
Speaker 2: to people say things that aren't true and just not
Speaker 2: along because it's easier. I was like, no, IVE got
Speaker 2: to stand up for myself because I want my kids
Speaker 2: to stand up for themselves and not just keep bowing
Speaker 2: over to people and people pleasing and just agreeing to
Speaker 2: be you know what I mean. And I think the
Speaker 2: other thing I learned is that even before you become
Speaker 2: a parent, you need a community. Like it takes a
Speaker 2: village to raise a mother. Mmm, it takes a village
Speaker 2: to raise a child, but it takes a village to
Speaker 2: raise a more. And I feel like I've grown up
Speaker 2: a lot. Sometimes I didn't want to grow up, but
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: I wish it.
Speaker 2: I wish I didn't have to go through this experience.
Speaker 2: I wish most people didn't have to go through this.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a very lonely agony.
Speaker 2: It's also really annoying just having to go to the
Speaker 2: IVF clinically it's six days a week.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And you know the faith that you were talking about before,
Speaker 3: at the very least you would think that you can
Speaker 3: have faith in your body and you don't have that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's a terrible thing.
Speaker 2: And just nothing is promised, you know, nothing is promised.
Speaker 2: You grow up. First time I had sex, Kate, I
Speaker 2: made my boyfriend at the time wear two condoms because
Speaker 2: I was like, I will not be a teen mother.
Speaker 1: Girl. That didn't matter. I would not have been a
Speaker 1: teen mother. I could have slept around a lot.
Speaker 2: But you know, you don't know that, and you but
Speaker 2: the narrative where sold is don't have sex because you'll
Speaker 2: get pregnant, and so you go, I will have children.
Speaker 1: I will have children.
Speaker 2: So then it's very shocking to find out that you
Speaker 2: potentially won't because you think it's going to be your choice.
Speaker 1: But guess what I know, say it.
Speaker 2: I will be having a baby. Christmas will be a
Speaker 2: rough money Christmas. I hope it comes I hope it
Speaker 2: comes from so I can have.
Speaker 3: Had Oh my god, you're all twisted up like a pretzel,
Speaker 3: and yet you're as loose as a goose.
Speaker 1: You are exactly as you should be. Do you reckon? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is it. Welcome to not knowing anything.
Speaker 2: I mean I've never known anything, so now I feel
Speaker 2: very very comfortable.
Speaker 3: Hey, what will you whisper to the baby when you
Speaker 3: meet the baby?
Speaker 1: I have a song? What's the song?
Speaker 2: Do you know?
Speaker 1: Smile by Michael Jackson.
Speaker 5: See your heart is great?
Speaker 1: Yes, oh smile even though it's.
Speaker 5: Breaking, Oh too, when there's a tune that on, there's
Speaker 5: a time you must keep on trying smile.
Speaker 1: Yeah, beautiful of that song. Oh that's a beautiful song.
Speaker 1: You've made me crying.
Speaker 3: You're like you're desiccated, like a ain't nothing coming out
Speaker 3: of here.
Speaker 1: I feel bad for you.
Speaker 2: I would say, I would say I've waited my whole
Speaker 2: life to me because I have. I really have waited
Speaker 2: my whole life to meet to meet them. And I
Speaker 2: I'm actually like counting the weeks because people count, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm twenty two weeks, I'm nineteen weeks till i can
Speaker 2: meet them.
Speaker 1: The other way because I've already waited so long. This
Speaker 1: is my eighth year, you know. And I'm like yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's I'm like, hurry up. I want to meet you.
Speaker 1: I want to take you to Disney.
Speaker 3: Wow, Tanya Hennessy, you will be in motherhood as you
Speaker 3: are in life, maniac, a maniac full of joy.
Speaker 1: It might be a bit stressed. Next time you see me,
Speaker 1: I might look older and grayer. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think it's having kids keeps you young until it
Speaker 1: kills you.
Speaker 2: Great positive parenting, Yeah, well, I think I don't know
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I'm a fan of discipline. Oh me too.
Speaker 2: I'm also going to make my kids watch care Bears
Speaker 2: or kid like, I'm going to make him watch eighties
Speaker 2: staff you will be watching the Land before time?
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they got the news shows? Not if you
Speaker 1: cut off the wi fi? So true?
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, so weird. The WiFi is down. All
Speaker 2: you can watch is moms tiktoks.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: I wish you every joy, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm hoping that my my my tears come if
Speaker 2: I'm honest with you, because it feels like I'm a
Speaker 2: bit blocked and it hurts.
Speaker 1: It hurts to not be able to cry. Don't come.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I put my eyes up to the hair conditioning
Speaker 2: just to try and make myself cry.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work. What about when you're watching emotional things? No,
Speaker 1: I can't cry in therapy. I can't cry anywhere. Really,
Speaker 1: everyone found out the gender couldn't cry really.
Speaker 2: Okay, And I'm very connected to my feelings, so I
Speaker 2: don't know what it's. It's a self protection on another level. Yes, okay, good,
Speaker 2: But Liz, I'm telling you that list. I'm telling you
Speaker 2: that it's like I'm aware that it's it's happening. I'm
Speaker 2: not just some stoic asshole. You are a bit stoic though,
Speaker 2: Oh you reckon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. I love the stoics. Do you
Speaker 3: not normally stoic? It's just respects them.
Speaker 1: It's this point.
Speaker 2: But you look at what you've done for eight years,
Speaker 2: you're a stoic. Do you reagon that you are as well?
Speaker 1: In a way? Yes, I definitely am the Dutch.
Speaker 2: You know, you're so grounded. You're way more grounded than
Speaker 2: I have ever been.
Speaker 3: It's my heavy wooden shoes. Sorry, in a strange what's
Speaker 3: that expression? Synergy? You met Breathe, the producer of No Filter,
Speaker 3: on a Disney cruise earlier this year. Yeah, and she
Speaker 3: had taken her niece and nephew.
Speaker 1: I think, oh my god, that's so cute. The nephew.
Speaker 2: The reason that we spoke to each other because the
Speaker 2: nephew was being sousey and like he was like, guess
Speaker 2: who I saw Louis and I, oh my god.
Speaker 1: This kid is cool. Yeah, you're like a sassy kid.
Speaker 1: Is this boy yours?
Speaker 2: And she was like, no, it's my nephew, And I
Speaker 2: was like this kid. I love their energy. I love
Speaker 2: kids like that, you know, who just walk up to
Speaker 2: a stranger and tell them some random fact.
Speaker 3: But at that point. So that was January. You're on
Speaker 3: a Disney cruise, which is for kids kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and five days earlier, I just had an endo surgery,
Speaker 2: so I was in a bit of pain and on
Speaker 2: end don't But the thing is everywhere is full of children,
Speaker 2: and it's hard because you're like, I wish I could
Speaker 2: have this, and I want this, and you see all
Speaker 2: the parents at the pool and like looking up them
Speaker 2: and they're getting them ice cream, and like someone like
Speaker 2: Disney Cruise, it's like these kids are having the best time.
Speaker 2: It's not just a fun time, it's like the ultimate life.
Speaker 2: And you go, that's why I want to give my
Speaker 2: kid this so bad. So an experience like that makes
Speaker 2: me well. It made me like, I'm going to take
Speaker 2: these bloody intra lipids and I'm going to time everything
Speaker 2: perfect perfectly to make sure that this one stuck as
Speaker 2: much as I could. That was did you have a
Speaker 2: sense that yes, for sure, yes, I've done everything right.
Speaker 2: I took off all this time. I lost fifty three
Speaker 2: kilos so and that was an inflammatory thing on.
Speaker 1: Top of the end of what a response.
Speaker 3: Was that a response to the drugs or yes, that's
Speaker 3: a lot, that's a person fifty three kilos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I look, you lost a person and gained
Speaker 1: a person. Oh my god, I did too.
Speaker 2: So I timed the endometrios surgery and I was like, buggert,
Speaker 2: I will be going on a Disney cruise. And then
Speaker 2: I timed we embryo banked at the end of last
Speaker 2: year so it would be a fresh transfer, a frozen transfer,
Speaker 2: which is better for endometrios. So I did a lot
Speaker 2: of research and then I did the BONDI or the
Speaker 2: protocol on top of it. So it was like I
Speaker 2: just was like, this will work. And I changed my mindset.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that that works for everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah my mind right.
Speaker 2: I had to go, how's it going to look when
Speaker 2: I put them to bed? How's it going to look
Speaker 2: when they're you know, when I'm holding them? How am
Speaker 2: I going to swaddle them? How am I going to
Speaker 2: breast or bottle feed? And when I really started to
Speaker 2: imagine it, that's what I think changed for me.
Speaker 1: How is it going to look when you put them
Speaker 1: to bed?
Speaker 2: I wanted to have them next to me in have
Speaker 2: you seen those those cribs that sort of like lay
Speaker 2: next and you can put them up and down, and
Speaker 2: I just was like, oh, I'm going to put them
Speaker 2: to bed and I'll sing to them. You know, it's
Speaker 2: an audience of one, and they have to enjoy that.
Speaker 1: They can't run.
Speaker 2: You will enjoy the High School musical two soundtracks sung
Speaker 2: by me, And you know that was really and just
Speaker 2: watching them go to sleep and their little face and
Speaker 2: just imagining that really crystallized in my mind. And then
Speaker 2: I was doing a lot kinesiology where you ask the
Speaker 2: baby to.
Speaker 1: Come to you. Ah.
Speaker 2: The lady said when I did kinesiology this last time,
Speaker 2: which was two weeks before the transfer, She's like, you
Speaker 2: don't need any help because you've done it all the work.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I know.
Speaker 2: And they put the best embryo in there, and I
Speaker 2: was like, you will last. And I didn't have any deodorant.
Speaker 2: I didn't drink Yeah, literally I went without deodorant rank
Speaker 2: but I didn't want to have any scent. I changed
Speaker 2: a natural deyoda and I didn't drink any cold water,
Speaker 2: nothing like I.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just looking like she did.
Speaker 3: No, I'm just looking at you. I'm just looking at you.
Speaker 3: It makes me really happy when when you finally cry,
Speaker 3: what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: It'll be like Noah's Ark. I just won't stop crying,
Speaker 2: Like I think kids are like open the flood gates
Speaker 2: and it won't end.
Speaker 1: Are you more of a sad crier or a happy crier?
Speaker 2: I will cry at anything, And that's why this is
Speaker 2: so frustrating, and I'm I hate it. I hate that
Speaker 2: I can't really I feel like I can't get any release.
Speaker 2: And also it drives people insane because people like want.
Speaker 1: Me to cry, I can't. My friends and stuff, they're like,
Speaker 1: they cry all that.
Speaker 2: My best two best friends every time they see me,
Speaker 2: they cry, like my two best mates. They both have children,
Speaker 2: and every time they see my belly they cry because
Speaker 2: they've been through it with me. My brother cried.
Speaker 1: You know, he's thirty two.
Speaker 2: He's not a cry And my brother found out like
Speaker 2: it was. It was a long process. But when he thought,
Speaker 2: you know, when I was up the twelve week mark,
Speaker 2: he cried at breakfast. My sister in law cries all
Speaker 2: the time, and they're like, why can't you cry.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know it's annoying, you're saving yourself.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, you know, my mom my dad, it was
Speaker 3: four years since he died yesterday, and my mom has
Speaker 3: not cried, and she's also puzzled by the fact that
Speaker 3: she hasn't cried. And I'm talking about we cried so
Speaker 3: much at his funeral that the chapel ran out of tissues.
Speaker 3: So we were all crying. The boys got up and spoke,
Speaker 3: and everyone was just bereft.
Speaker 1: And he was old.
Speaker 3: He was eighty nine, and they obviously think old people
Speaker 3: don't you don't love. Old people, don't get loved as
Speaker 3: much as you know, you'd expect to cry like a
Speaker 3: young person's funeral. But we were just awash with tears,
Speaker 3: and my mother nothing dry as a dingo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and still not, and she doesn't know why.
Speaker 2: Yes, I thought, maybe there's only so many tears you
Speaker 2: get in life, and I've already used up all my
Speaker 2: tears on pregnancy.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're an idiot.
Speaker 3: You wait, you're going to be crying like a little bitch.
Speaker 1: I hope. So I need to rub this with me.
Speaker 1: You know, it's going to make you cry. Tom with the.
Speaker 2: Baby girl, even Tom he holds the dog, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's so.
Speaker 1: Cute, yeah, because he talked.
Speaker 3: But seeing Tom with the baby, you're gonna cry like
Speaker 3: someone left the cake out in the room.
Speaker 1: Hey, one more question.
Speaker 3: Actually, because you've been on this uncharted track, there have
Speaker 3: been other people that have been on it with you
Speaker 3: that you would have gotten to know.
Speaker 1: How how do you feel? How was it.
Speaker 3: Telling them that you've finally had success when maybe they haven't.
Speaker 2: In my experience, every person I had been through the
Speaker 2: journey with of infertility with and they'd been doing IVF simultaneously.
Speaker 2: To me, I was the last basically the last one
Speaker 2: really except for one friend, and I told her and
Speaker 2: I didn't dread it because I was like, I've just
Speaker 2: got to tell you and.
Speaker 1: Just be really honest and straightforward. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Literally, every other person that was on the journey with
Speaker 2: me one has a five year old, like, so I was.
Speaker 1: I'd only had.
Speaker 2: One friend left and they started later as well, So
Speaker 2: that's interesting. Most people have had two or three babies
Speaker 2: in the time that I've tried to have one, which
Speaker 2: these timestamps are cooked.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, time just passes, but like you said earlier,
Speaker 3: if you measure it with a child, you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's what five years looks like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm like, all I've done in five years
Speaker 2: is sort of just go to and from Dona King
Speaker 2: Merrickfield Metro.
Speaker 1: You've done quite a lot right, a little bit more
Speaker 1: than them, beautiful.
Speaker 2: Get me out of here, otherwise I'll just talk to
Speaker 2: Kate till the end of time.
Speaker 3: Tanya Hennessy is one of those people that, to me
Speaker 3: feels like she's always been around. She's made us laugh,
Speaker 3: she's made us cry, She's reminded us just how messy
Speaker 3: and beautiful life can be.
Speaker 1: And she shared the hard.
Speaker 3: Beats, which are sometimes the most difficult parts to share,
Speaker 3: her endometriosis, her fertility struggles, the long winding road to
Speaker 3: the destination of this baby, with an honesty that's unflinching and.
Speaker 1: Real and touching.
Speaker 3: Today we celebrate her joy, but her story isn't just
Speaker 3: about a happy ending. It's about resilience and love and
Speaker 3: the courage to keep going even when life doesn't make
Speaker 3: it easy. And as always, a little laughter along the
Speaker 3: way helps more than just about anything else. Be sure
Speaker 3: to subscribe to No Filter to.
Speaker 1: Hear more extraordinary stories from the people who have lit them.
Speaker 3: The executive producer of No Filter is Nama Brown. The
Speaker 3: senior producer is Bree Player. Audio production is by Jacob
Speaker 3: Brown and video editing is by Josh Green. This episode
Speaker 3: was recorded with Session in Progress Studios, and I am
Speaker 3: your host, Kate
Speaker 1: Langbrook and I thank you so much for listening.