WEBVTT - Mummy, Why Can't That Lady Walk?

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<v Speaker 1>We acknowledged the traditional custodians of the land we're recording

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<v Speaker 1>on today, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>I really hoped in the future people don't see disability

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<v Speaker 2>as a tragedy or as a negative thing, because from

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<v Speaker 2>my perspective, I had no control over it. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>really hard when people think it's a tragedy. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is just the way I was bored.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back to Eat, Sleep, Shit, Repeat the Wildly Unhinged

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<v Speaker 3>Podcast for your Face. I'm Kelly Lee mccaren. You just

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<v Speaker 3>got your podcast mixed up.

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<v Speaker 1>You just said the Wildly Unhinged Podcast for your face.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that might be a certain beauty podcast that

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<v Speaker 1>you were on. This is the Unhinged podcast all about

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<v Speaker 1>the madness that his mother and atween er.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow. Wow, can you tell I've been on holidays? Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I Darlet's what's your name?

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Kirie Searles. And I was just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>say unhinged a bit of an understan now, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even think I need to say it because I

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<v Speaker 1>think we just.

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<v Speaker 3>Prove proved it. Whereas I'm like, I've got no idea

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<v Speaker 3>what podcast recorday is it? In case you missed it.

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<v Speaker 1>Last week, we spoke about toxic diet culture and the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that we grew up possibly daly fucked time we did,

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<v Speaker 1>and now we're trying to parent.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh so we.

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<v Speaker 1>Talked about that. I really loved that episode. Did same

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<v Speaker 1>quick shout out just to rate and review us so

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<v Speaker 1>we can grow the pod even more.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I requested that last week and I

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<v Speaker 3>got like one, So I.

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<v Speaker 1>Know that's not lovely, Like we love that person.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, don't say that I'm ungrateful. I love that person, but.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd like maybe five to ten more of those. That

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<v Speaker 1>would be great.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, because we know that.

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<v Speaker 1>You love it because you churning in each week exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Later on in the episode, we have such an important

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<v Speaker 3>conversation coming up that we have wanted to have probably

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<v Speaker 3>for a year. We actually spoke to our guest about

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<v Speaker 3>it about a year ago. She is incredible. But first,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm up for Peak and Pit. Yeah you are, duh,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's Bali edition. Woo my pitch. Shall I kick

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<v Speaker 3>it off to pitch? My year of health isn't going well.

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<v Speaker 3>It is November.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, shit, we've got two months left of the year.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, So I picked up something in the hospital. Surprise, surprise,

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<v Speaker 3>six weeks ago or two months ago, whenever that was.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, because before you left six hours yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>five or six.

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<v Speaker 3>Weeks ago, and it turned into a really bad chest

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<v Speaker 3>infection that I, to be honest, still haven't completely shaken.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I'm still coughing a fair bit, even though I've

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<v Speaker 3>done full course of antibody. Yeah, I've had that many

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<v Speaker 3>cough syrups and blah blah blah. Question. Last night, my

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<v Speaker 3>back hurts so much from all of the coffee. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that I had to pull out the big guns with

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<v Speaker 3>the pain meds.

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<v Speaker 1>It packs a punch.

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<v Speaker 3>It packs a punch. Do they go off because they

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<v Speaker 3>say that they expired? But it's like, how could a

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<v Speaker 3>hard capsule really expire?

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<v Speaker 1>Does it just expirey or like best before used by?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it says expiry Maybe just means it won't

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<v Speaker 3>be as effective.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that'd probably it was it affected No, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, So I've just been in a lot of pain.

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<v Speaker 3>It's awful being the coughing person because you do not

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<v Speaker 3>want to be the coughing person.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So for weeks before I was leaving, I had to

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<v Speaker 3>go into Muma Mia to record, Like I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to sit in a studio coughing all over someone because

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<v Speaker 3>I feel so anxious if someone does that to me.

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<v Speaker 3>But I could not scream it from the rooftops loud enough.

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<v Speaker 3>I was not contagious. It's just that I could not

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<v Speaker 3>get rid of this cough and then being on the

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<v Speaker 3>plane having the cough. Oh my god. Out at restaurants

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<v Speaker 3>in Balley, like people just oh the looks fair enough.

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<v Speaker 3>I would look at someone like that totally.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like you need to wear like a little

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<v Speaker 1>name time. I've got a chest infection.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not contagious everyone. So I was just feeling a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit under the weather because of that. Just very

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<v Speaker 3>sore and sick of coughing. I took my puffer though

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<v Speaker 3>that actually did help. I was so tired. I slept

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<v Speaker 3>for ten hours minimum every night, plus an app with

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<v Speaker 3>Lenny most days. What is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Just the heat though, because I do get sometimes on holidays,

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<v Speaker 1>and the humidity.

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<v Speaker 3>It just whacks you. I was absolutely whacked because it

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<v Speaker 3>was wet, season y, so hot. In our mind, we

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<v Speaker 3>were like, oh my gosh, after Len goes to bed

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<v Speaker 3>every night, we'll like go out to the pool, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>have some sex, maybe try to get back on the horse.

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<v Speaker 3>I was asleep.

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<v Speaker 1>You were not on the horse.

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<v Speaker 3>I was not on the horse. I also think I

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<v Speaker 3>have badger miss or whatever that's vagines mess, like my vagina.

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<v Speaker 3>We did try to have the sex a few times,

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<v Speaker 3>didn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>It does make sense because that is a result of trauma,

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel like if you've had.

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<v Speaker 3>And then when I went to my energy healer, oh

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<v Speaker 3>oh you went back. I did would She was, well,

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<v Speaker 3>that's a whole other tail. But she was saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>you've got a lot of trauma. She was dealing with

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<v Speaker 3>my womb. And then she was trying to get me

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<v Speaker 3>to do these flutters with my thighs and I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>even realize, but like I actually clenched them voluntary. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't even realize that I'm doing it. Like everything down

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<v Speaker 3>there is very tense. So yeah, I don't know. I've

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<v Speaker 3>got to figure that out at some point. And now

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<v Speaker 3>I've got bloody thrush, I think because it's very itchy

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<v Speaker 3>even though I didn't have the sex, but I was

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<v Speaker 3>in the wet swimmers and on the antibiotics.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck, yeah, the thrush gets here, doesn't want itchy? Yeah good,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not good. You just got to get a little pesrie.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got some in the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very uncomfortable, but it works with trees.

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<v Speaker 3>This is just a bit of a moan session basically

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<v Speaker 3>at this point. And then at the end, I kid

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<v Speaker 3>you not. So Night four, we ate out at a

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<v Speaker 3>nice restaurant but outside the resort, and Luke got Bali belly.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like absolutely roasting him for the next

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<v Speaker 3>few days because I just I'm such a bitch. Sometimes.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, you've just got a really weak stomach,

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<v Speaker 3>don't you because you get sick a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>It's violent.

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<v Speaker 3>It's violent. I'd never been sea overseas. Then, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying all of this stuff. Well, Karma had

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<v Speaker 3>some ideas. No, So the next time we decided to

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<v Speaker 3>eat outside of the resort, who got Barlei belly? Kelly Le,

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<v Speaker 3>Kelly Lee.

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<v Speaker 1>On a scale of one to ten, it.

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<v Speaker 3>Wasn't actually that bad because Luke recognized the signs. And

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<v Speaker 3>then they called shout out Bali Mandeira. If you're looking

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<v Speaker 3>for a family friendly resort in Bali, so good, pretty

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<v Speaker 3>reasonably priced. Yeah, the medical came to the room and

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<v Speaker 3>then they were like, listen, your blood pressures eighty over

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<v Speaker 3>sixty and you're really dehydrated. We're going to IVU and

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<v Speaker 3>then also give you the needles to stop everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, kind of gashtro stop vibes.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the anti noisy, anti cramping, anti vomiting.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, okay, that's good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know exactly what it was. I said, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure I would advise trying to go for

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<v Speaker 3>the veins. Yeah, it's the needles. And then in my mind,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking the last time you were in the hospital,

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<v Speaker 3>my goodness, and then I start spiraling about that. But

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<v Speaker 3>then I was doing my breath work that my energy

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<v Speaker 3>healer had taught me. So Luke and LENNI are outside

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<v Speaker 3>in the pool and they can just hear me inside

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<v Speaker 3>going practicing my breath work. Wown into a chicken and

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<v Speaker 3>then they're looking around for a vein. They're like, you've

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<v Speaker 3>got nothing. I said, I'm aware, and I'm also dehydrated

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<v Speaker 3>with the low broad plassure you said, so have fun

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<v Speaker 3>sled up and then they said, oh, we found one

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<v Speaker 3>in your hand. I said, oh, good luck. Really wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>advise it, but go for gold. And they're putting it

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<v Speaker 3>in there and I'm ho and then I'm like, here's

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<v Speaker 3>it done? Is it done? They said no, it keeps

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<v Speaker 3>collapsing every time we and I just said stop stop.

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<v Speaker 3>I will drink a lot of water, I promise. And

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<v Speaker 3>they said, ah, what about ones in the bum? I said,

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<v Speaker 3>you can put a needle anywhere else, you like, just

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<v Speaker 3>not in a vein. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking, why can't they just jab you? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>does it have to be in a vein if it's

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<v Speaker 1>an IV or the ivy of course yet, but the

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<v Speaker 1>other anti nause yet.

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<v Speaker 3>Et cetera. They were like, a butt can go in

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<v Speaker 3>the butt and I she didn't really understand my sense

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<v Speaker 3>of humor. I asked her if she had a cheek preference.

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<v Speaker 3>She looked really embarrassed on my behalf and yeah, so listen,

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<v Speaker 3>I just wasn't that well. But peak was. I have

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<v Speaker 3>no regrets. Oh my god, Lenny. It was so nice

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<v Speaker 3>to spend time as a family, even though by the

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<v Speaker 3>end I was like, get me away from both of

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<v Speaker 3>you please. Of course you really realize you don't actually

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<v Speaker 3>get you know, you get an hour break here or

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<v Speaker 3>there to go get a massage. Oh, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of family time yeah, it's a bit too long.

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<v Speaker 1>We're in day like.

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<v Speaker 3>Four days a week, day, four days a week, and

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<v Speaker 3>both of us work full time, so we haven't had

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<v Speaker 3>a date in eight months, let alone ten days non stop.

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<v Speaker 3>That was fun. It was a bit too long for

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<v Speaker 3>Luke and Lenny.

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<v Speaker 1>How long was it altogether?

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<v Speaker 3>Ten days? Yeah, they were, They're about five days, both

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<v Speaker 3>of them. Very similar personalities. I forgot how good I am.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been on holidays, you know how lots of people

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<v Speaker 3>say I just can't switch off so bad, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>taking a break. I am very good at it. Like

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<v Speaker 3>I said, slept ten hours a night, read some books.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what a holiday should be. Though I could not

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<v Speaker 3>without some emails come through and was.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, lol, no, you had your out of office on though,

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<v Speaker 1>which I.

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<v Speaker 3>Did, had my out of still checking it. But I

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<v Speaker 3>literally could not have given two ships about anything that

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<v Speaker 3>came through. I think I responded to like one thing, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but that's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what a holiday should be.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything for SSR was like scheduled except for one reel

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<v Speaker 3>which I posted and I was like, oh, so please

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<v Speaker 3>go and give the Instagram posts some love, like the

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<v Speaker 3>engagement sucks guys, and I am fucking funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you do a great job.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so funny. Pregnancy complaints that I posted the one

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<v Speaker 3>you're the only person sometimes it does. Sorry, listen to this.

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<v Speaker 3>The complaint is I developed in a version to the

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<v Speaker 3>smell of my partner. The paired song was then lightning crotch,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so funny, so much fluid retention, the Berk's imprinted

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<v Speaker 3>on the toots, the indignity song choice. I put so

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<v Speaker 3>much work into song choice, go and put the little bell.

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<v Speaker 1>On so then you never miss one.

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<v Speaker 3>From little things growl. That was for my cute nipples

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<v Speaker 3>turned into Pepperoni slices. Listen, I'm not expecting a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>But when I put so much effort into being fucking

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<v Speaker 3>funny and scheduling content for you, shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Is yeah, while comment, a couple of lolls start the page,

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<v Speaker 1>so then you get a notification when kel.

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<v Speaker 3>When the posts, I mean listen, not all of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of the posts are just like, hey, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>new episode. But if you're subscribed you should know that anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. But no regrets, no regrets. I'm great at

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<v Speaker 3>doing holidays. I love Bali so much, even though Bali belly.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know you live and you learn I get

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<v Speaker 3>sick in Sydney. Yeah, it was just a really beautiful trip.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Lenn loved it for.

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<v Speaker 3>The first five days. For the first five days, no,

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<v Speaker 3>then after that he was just so happy to be

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<v Speaker 3>with us. But he was very much so looking forward

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<v Speaker 3>to going home and like kept asking to see his

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<v Speaker 3>cousins and Percy and stuff. He sent me the most

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<v Speaker 3>beautiful message though, she said that just means he really

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<v Speaker 3>loves his life. He does, which is so cute. It

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<v Speaker 3>is whereas I'm like, I could stay here forever. What

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<v Speaker 3>does that say that you need to go on more holidays?

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<v Speaker 3>That I definitely need to go on more holidays. Also

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<v Speaker 3>shout out BALI is a hub of shitters? What and

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<v Speaker 3>you bies? Oh my goodness, I met more people over there,

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<v Speaker 3>or more people messaged me saying hey, saw you in

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<v Speaker 3>straight or something. Then like I would get in Sydney

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<v Speaker 3>in a month. Oh my god, that's so excited. It

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<v Speaker 3>was so fun. I love that and it just made

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<v Speaker 3>me so happy. Like people say, oh, I'm so sorry

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<v Speaker 3>to say hello, or so sorry to be weird, or

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<v Speaker 3>so sorry I am not a celebrity, as I was

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<v Speaker 3>saying to someone at the airport, like, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>ten o'clock at night. I'm so unhinged my hair, like

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<v Speaker 3>I just I'm like hissing at Luke. I'm rolling my

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<v Speaker 3>eyes and so exasperated with Lenny because he kept throwing

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<v Speaker 3>something and I was just a mess of a human.

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<v Speaker 3>And then someone said, hey, I'm a shitter, and she

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<v Speaker 3>was just so lovely. Had a big old laugh with

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<v Speaker 3>her and husband, you actually made my day. And as

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<v Speaker 3>I said to her, because she's like, oh, I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know if I should say anything. I'm not a celebrity.

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<v Speaker 3>Content creators. We put things out into the world and

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<v Speaker 3>we don't often get much back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's such a good point.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know how like with a normal job, your

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<v Speaker 3>boss or your colleagues, or you've got a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people that are like, oh my god, loved that or

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<v Speaker 3>great job, or customers or whatnot. But actually meeting faces

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<v Speaker 3>rather than just oh this episode got this many downloads

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<v Speaker 3>or it means the world to put faces to the

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<v Speaker 3>numbers and meet the community. So please never apologize or

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<v Speaker 3>never feel like you can't say hello, because it literally

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<v Speaker 3>makes my day. And I feel like he would say

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<v Speaker 3>the same thing always.

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<v Speaker 1>And Charlie's always liked.

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<v Speaker 3>Luke embarrasses me so much. Though he'll call out or

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<v Speaker 3>was that a fan? It actually was? He goes one time.

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<v Speaker 3>He actually has done it more than once. He'll be like,

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<v Speaker 3>do you want a photo with it? And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>he's my biggest cheerleader. I'm like, no, no, no, Luke,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not a Kardashian, I'm not even what's an Australian

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<v Speaker 3>celebrity that I'm not Delta Gudrum, Like, no one wants

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<v Speaker 3>a photo with me. They just want to say hello.

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<v Speaker 3>I like the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, remember when I used to run on the beach

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<v Speaker 1>do Sandy? Sure that was a bullet It was literally

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<v Speaker 1>three years ago almost, and was like can I get

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<v Speaker 1>a photo? And I was like, I fuck, looks so

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<v Speaker 1>banged up and broad right now.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like absolutely, but absolutely. But my face

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<v Speaker 3>every time I have been asked for a photo is

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<v Speaker 3>so gleeful, like I'm just so toughed. I can't believe

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<v Speaker 3>it someone wants a photo with little old me. So

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<v Speaker 3>it was just so great and I love that so

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<v Speaker 3>many other shitters were loving the Bali lifestyle question. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if you're going to be annoyed at me

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<v Speaker 3>for asking you this. What you'll be like, Oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not the token black lady with the cultural question.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, one of these ones, yeah, go on braids.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah they are.

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<v Speaker 3>And I could not believe how many people in Bali

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<v Speaker 3>had them. Everyone on the street is offering them. They

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<v Speaker 3>even wanted to put them in Lenny's hair. And I'm like, bro,

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<v Speaker 3>has like an inch. That's some sharp skills. If you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to do a braid in an inch of hair.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a bit I get a bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>oh when I see people do it, But I also

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<v Speaker 1>understand that it's become like such a norm, like you

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<v Speaker 1>go to Bali and you get hair braided, So I

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<v Speaker 1>understand why people do it. I don't think there's any

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<v Speaker 1>like ill intent behind it, but it does make me

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<v Speaker 1>feel a certain way because it is cultural appropriation cruit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like those islands that you go to like

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<v Speaker 1>Fiji and things like that, Like it's just a thing

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of.

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<v Speaker 3>Like these stupid white people. Yeah, and then.

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<v Speaker 1>Indonesian people are just offering up something because it's like

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of experience as well.

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<v Speaker 3>And so kids, we've laughed before about my mum. It

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't you know, we didn't know that it was cultural

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<v Speaker 3>appropriation back then, but my mum, bless her heart. I

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<v Speaker 3>think I've told this story on the pod before. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>my parents were always very good with money and very

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<v Speaker 3>yeah budgeted, so they were kind of like, we are

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely not paying for you to get your hair braided,

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<v Speaker 3>because I remember it was very expensive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So my mum when we would get back from

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<v Speaker 3>Fiji would spend like three hours doing the braids with

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<v Speaker 3>the beads and everything on me and my sister's hair

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<v Speaker 3>so that we could go to school to be obviously

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<v Speaker 3>we've been in Fiji.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, but like would rouget braids. It's not something

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<v Speaker 1>that I would probably let rude it. Okay, she's white presenting,

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<v Speaker 1>so I wouldn't be getting braids on her.

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<v Speaker 3>It would make me feel a bit weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but no judgment to anyone else. I understand that

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<v Speaker 1>it isn't with ill and ten, it just doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a bit weird for me because I saw it

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<v Speaker 3>so often over there, and I just even more so

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<v Speaker 3>than other times I've been maybe because I was staying

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<v Speaker 3>in a family friendly area, so it was just like

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<v Speaker 3>every single kid had braids. But then I was kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like, also, I actually understand the pros if you've

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<v Speaker 3>got a daughter with lots of hair on.

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<v Speaker 1>My hair was awful on holiday, Like you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to do anything to their with the heat.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it never dries, so braids is actually kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like. But then I guess you could. I saw

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<v Speaker 3>lots also with just who I reckon they a little

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<v Speaker 3>Dutch's fine, right, I mean, I still do just appropriate

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<v Speaker 3>the Dutch. Yeah, are you cranky for me asking you?

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<v Speaker 2>Though?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I'm never cranky for you asking as.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I wanted your perspective on that, and also for

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<v Speaker 3>anyone listening. I guess it's an thing to think about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely, And look, as I said, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>people are going to be up in arms about it if.

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<v Speaker 3>You do it. I culturally appropriated all of the white

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<v Speaker 3>bogans and.

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<v Speaker 1>Your little shirt.

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<v Speaker 3>What did it say? It says it's black with pink

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<v Speaker 3>neon writing, and it says, don't ask me why I'm drunk.

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<v Speaker 3>When I don't ask you why you're stupid. It's so

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<v Speaker 3>good anyway, great trip. I'm clearly in a bit of

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<v Speaker 3>a rogue mood. I love it though.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you've just got like a bit more energy

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<v Speaker 1>to get through the rest of the year. Like that's

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<v Speaker 1>so nice, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, even with my chronic back pain now from the coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you take lots of pics?

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna make him a little book of his first holiday?

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<v Speaker 3>I will, but I didn't because I wasn't on my

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<v Speaker 3>phone much. No content.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good though, oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I suck as a content creator sometimes. But I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, no, well.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I didn't post any pictures of Europe because

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<v Speaker 1>there are none of me. I took them all of Charlie.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's heaps. Actually there's not even heaps of land

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<v Speaker 3>and Luke. Like, I just didn't have my phone on me. Really,

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<v Speaker 3>that's nice sort and like things because I wanted to show.

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<v Speaker 3>I knew that I would get DMS about the resort.

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<v Speaker 3>And the only reason I knew to book there is

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<v Speaker 3>because I had a friend of a friend say, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>this resort is perfect for families. So two keeps at that.

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<v Speaker 3>But like, yeah, I just switched off, Yeah, which is true.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get into the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>You're out for the day with your kid in toe

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<v Speaker 1>and suddenly you hear mummy, you answer yes, darling, why

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<v Speaker 1>can't that lady walk? And all you're thinking is you

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<v Speaker 1>can't ask that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure that many of our shitters have been in

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<v Speaker 3>a situation like that, or just a situation in general,

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<v Speaker 3>where someone's your child says something that you just immediately

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<v Speaker 3>just die a little bit inside. Oh my goodness. Lenny

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<v Speaker 3>once said what's someone doing? And then the man got

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<v Speaker 3>closer and it was clearly just a lady, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>and she heard.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's awful, isn't it, But like he didn't anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't mean it, they don't mean it. Well, that

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<v Speaker 1>phrase that I mentioned inspired an award winning series on

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<v Speaker 1>the ABC, and we're going to link it in the

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<v Speaker 1>show notes if you haven't seen it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. It's honestly like, I would love to

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<v Speaker 3>do a podcast series of people dealing with kids because

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<v Speaker 3>it's such a good show.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so good and each episode they basically feature

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<v Speaker 1>a group of marginalized and misundersood Australians and they're presented

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<v Speaker 1>with a stack of question cards that have been everyone

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<v Speaker 1>wants to ask but well, and their anonymous online questions.

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<v Speaker 1>So people really let it rip, and it's relating to

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<v Speaker 1>their topic of that marginalized group. So the idea is

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of ask the most outrageous, uncomfortable questions to

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<v Speaker 1>uncover the truth behind.

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<v Speaker 3>Like what it's actually like for these groups of people.

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<v Speaker 1>And spark a bit of compassion and just understanding. It's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>So this series, together with our incredible guest, disability advocate

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Hook, who will hear from in a minute, has

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<v Speaker 1>inspired this episode. I wanted to play a piece of

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<v Speaker 1>audio from series one. It's the episode on wheelchair users,

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<v Speaker 1>and here's what one of the lovely guests said when asked,

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<v Speaker 1>why are you in a wheelchair?

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<v Speaker 4>I can see a kid on the street pointing me

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<v Speaker 4>and asking questions to the mom or their dad, and

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<v Speaker 4>you see the mom or dad sort of saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>don't don't don't point, don't look, don't ask, and they

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<v Speaker 4>think they're being polite, but really what they're doing is

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<v Speaker 4>titching their child that my disability and my wheelchair I

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<v Speaker 4>still think to be ignored.

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<v Speaker 3>Gosh, I wonder if you know the answer to that

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<v Speaker 3>is going up and asking well yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And we do talk to Peter later, who gives us

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of insight on that, which I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think's really good.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is impossible, though to predict what your kids

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<v Speaker 1>are going to say. But the thing that we have

0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:07.080
<v Speaker 1>to remember is how we respond on these moments informs

0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:10.600
<v Speaker 1>the way that your kid will think about disabilities moving forward,

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is the foundation of how they are going

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<v Speaker 1>to interact, see, talk about, and understand people with disabilities

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<v Speaker 1>within the community.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what though this conversation, because we did

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<v Speaker 3>record this conversation last week, I needed this conversation even

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<v Speaker 3>as an adult. So this isn't even just how to

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<v Speaker 3>talk to your kids. Like I lived with someone for

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<v Speaker 3>several months. It didn't have an arm or a leg,

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<v Speaker 3>and not one point did I ask anything about it,

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<v Speaker 3>because I was like, I don't know, should I should

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<v Speaker 3>I not? Yeah, And I think the thing I knew

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<v Speaker 3>him as well wasn't just like a few months living together.

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<v Speaker 3>I knew him for years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And you never want to point something out, But I

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<v Speaker 1>think what's really interesting about actually talking to people with

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<v Speaker 1>disabilities is like that's their life. They don't want that

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<v Speaker 1>to be this thing we don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk about exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It should be addressed anything else about a person. So

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<v Speaker 1>how can we answer questions and have conversations around disabilities

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<v Speaker 1>to teach our kids to be more accepting and inclusive

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<v Speaker 1>of the diverse ways that people show up in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>The work really begins at home and to help us

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<v Speaker 1>have these conversations and answer questions, we have the lovely

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Hook on the show today. Really quick, did you

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<v Speaker 1>know that one and five Australians have a disability? Yet

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<v Speaker 1>many people don't believe that they know anyone with a disability,

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<v Speaker 1>So we actually pulled that stat from Peter's website. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you Pete.

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<v Speaker 3>About Peter, she says, to think.

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<v Speaker 1>Of her as your friendly girl next door who has

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<v Speaker 1>a disability. Sarah wil Palsy. She was tired of being

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<v Speaker 1>asked by strangers on the street, what happened to you?

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<v Speaker 1>So she created the I Can't Stand podcast. We'll linkering

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<v Speaker 1>in the show notes to not only answer questions about

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<v Speaker 1>living with a disability, but to also bring an amazing

0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:51.200
<v Speaker 1>disabled guest to hear what the life is.

0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:53.879
<v Speaker 3>Like for them and their incredible stories. It's such a

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<v Speaker 3>good podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>And Peter even says like she learns so much from

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<v Speaker 1>other people's stories, so that just shows you how to

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<v Speaker 1>the stories are from people who live with disabilities, so welcome, Peter.

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<v Speaker 3>So what happened to you was the question that inspired

0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:12.800
<v Speaker 3>you to launch your own pod, the I Can't Stand Podcast?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have a story you can share of a

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<v Speaker 3>real parenting fail when someone's child asked that question in

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<v Speaker 3>the wild?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, ladies? Most of the time, those are adults asking

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<v Speaker 2>those questions. So I get it all the time. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>only have to go out for a coffee and wait

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<v Speaker 2>for my long black and someone would ask me, oh,

0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:37.440
<v Speaker 2>what happened to you? So when it's a child, it's like, great,

0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:41.600
<v Speaker 2>I know how to handle this. Curiosity is a natural thing,

0:23:42.280 --> 0:23:44.919
<v Speaker 2>but when it's an adult, it gets really tiring. So

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<v Speaker 2>I sort of felt like there had to be a

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<v Speaker 2>more efficient way to educate the public of what it's

0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:54.360
<v Speaker 2>actually like to be disabled, because clearly there's a knowledge

0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:55.520
<v Speaker 2>gap there, right.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, yeah, definitely, because I think in these situations, people

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<v Speaker 5>have the best intentions and asking and even if they're

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<v Speaker 5>kid us and they have the best intentions of trying

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<v Speaker 5>to like de escalate the situation, not wanting to kind

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<v Speaker 5>of embarrass or they don't really know what to say.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it comes from not understanding what to actually

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<v Speaker 5>say in the situation. What can parents do in these

0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:22.879
<v Speaker 5>situations instead, or adults in general, because we're talking to

0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:25.040
<v Speaker 5>parents and adults.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first and foremost say hello, yes, you know, introduce

0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:30.879
<v Speaker 2>to yourself, you know, and also.

0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:33.560
<v Speaker 3>Don't just storm up to you and go, oh, what happened?

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<v Speaker 2>But it's so true, so many people just walk up

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<v Speaker 2>to you and say, hey, what happened? And it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really lucky my disability has no trauma connected to

0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:46.399
<v Speaker 2>it whatsoever. But that's not the case for everyone. So

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<v Speaker 2>I really feel for people that get usked that on

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<v Speaker 2>a daily basis and they have to go, oh, actually,

0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:55.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't really want to talk about that, So be

0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:59.040
<v Speaker 2>prepared to, you know, not get an answer that's okay.

0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:02.840
<v Speaker 2>We don't have did necessarily disclose what happened to us,

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<v Speaker 2>say hello. And just when I speak to a child

0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:10.960
<v Speaker 2>in particular, I change my answer depending on how old

0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:14.560
<v Speaker 2>the child is, so I'm really cognizant to make sure

0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:20.359
<v Speaker 2>it's age appropriate. So, for example, if your little ones

0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:24.320
<v Speaker 2>came up to me, Lenny and Rue, because they're really little,

0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:26.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to make it too much for them

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<v Speaker 2>to take in I don't want it to be a

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<v Speaker 2>scary experience or like they shouldn't have asked the question.

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<v Speaker 2>So I would say to them something like, do you

0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:38.240
<v Speaker 2>know what you could walk? And I can't, and that's

0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:40.800
<v Speaker 2>why I use this really cool thing called a wheelchair,

0:25:41.520 --> 0:25:42.640
<v Speaker 2>really simple, so.

0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:47.000
<v Speaker 5>It's age appropriate descriptions that they're going to understand and

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<v Speaker 5>not be overwhelmed by.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure. I was asked by a seven year old

0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:55.560
<v Speaker 2>once whether my disability was genetic. I was very impressed

0:25:55.600 --> 0:25:59.320
<v Speaker 2>with that question. Yes, it's not. For those who don't know,

0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:04.120
<v Speaker 2>Sarah palsy occurs in the womb or at birth and

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:08.159
<v Speaker 2>it's around lack of oxygen. So in my case, I

0:26:08.280 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 2>was born at twenty eight weeks, so I was very premature.

0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:15.880
<v Speaker 2>So I just basically didn't breathe quick enough and that's

0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:17.280
<v Speaker 2>why I have my disability.

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<v Speaker 3>What a fighter though twenty eight weeks?

0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:23.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, But there's so many of us, you know,

0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:28.080
<v Speaker 2>and that's what I've really learned about through my podcast.

0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:31.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm really not that special. There's a lot of people

0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:35.240
<v Speaker 2>that have amazing stories and we just get on with

0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:38.159
<v Speaker 2>life and a lot of us really love our life

0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:42.359
<v Speaker 2>and it's not a negative thing like I really hope

0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:46.680
<v Speaker 2>in the future people don't see disability as a tragedy

0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:50.800
<v Speaker 2>or as a negative thing, because from my perspective, I

0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:55.040
<v Speaker 2>had no control over it. So it's really hard when

0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:58.240
<v Speaker 2>people think it's a tragedy and this is just the

0:26:58.240 --> 0:26:59.119
<v Speaker 2>way I was bored.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, interesting, isn't it. I think often it's like the

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:05.840
<v Speaker 5>language and not knowing what to say or how to say.

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:10.280
<v Speaker 5>And I think obviously different marginalized or misunderstood groups, the

0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:13.639
<v Speaker 5>terms and the words that we use evolve over time,

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:17.040
<v Speaker 5>and that's something I've noticed with people, just like I

0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:19.120
<v Speaker 5>feel like because I worked in media for so long,

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:21.640
<v Speaker 5>because I have a lot of younger friends who are

0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:25.960
<v Speaker 5>very up on correct terminology to be using. I know,

0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:31.359
<v Speaker 5>like how to describe different disabilities of people that I meet,

0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:35.040
<v Speaker 5>but I know that when I'm just around my friends

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:37.959
<v Speaker 5>sometimes the words that they use, I'm like, oh, that

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:42.119
<v Speaker 5>you can't actually say that anymore. I'm really interested to

0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:45.679
<v Speaker 5>hear some of the do's and don'ts of disability language

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:47.439
<v Speaker 5>because I think that when you're a parent and you

0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:50.199
<v Speaker 5>get asked this question from your kid, it's important that

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:53.679
<v Speaker 5>you get those key words right because often that's kind

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:56.320
<v Speaker 5>of forming the foundation of how they're going to go

0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:59.320
<v Speaker 5>on to understand disabilities for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So first and foremost, I want to put a trigger

0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:04.560
<v Speaker 2>warning in this section and say, I'm going to say

0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:09.360
<v Speaker 2>some words that I wouldn't necessarily say, but yeah, educational purposes,

0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to say them. And if you have any

0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:15.880
<v Speaker 2>questions of why you shouldn't ask them, like, please let

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 2>me know. That's why I'm here. First and foremost. I

0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:22.560
<v Speaker 2>hear it a lot, particularly around and I don't want

0:28:22.560 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 2>to be stereotypical, but men still use the word retard

0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 2>a lot. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, even some of my male friends.

0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:35.359
<v Speaker 2>I still pull them up and go, oh, we don't

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:39.520
<v Speaker 2>say that anymore, you know, So I really try and say, like,

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 2>instead of using the word retard, maybe use the word silly.

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:46.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it was really silly of me to leave

0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:51.920
<v Speaker 2>the keys in the car, for example, Differently abled not great.

0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:54.800
<v Speaker 5>I just said that. I think I think I did

0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:57.040
<v Speaker 5>say that. Just then I caught myself saying it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like, don't get me wrong, I often will

0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:04.280
<v Speaker 2>even say the wrong thing, like as somebody who has

0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:08.520
<v Speaker 2>a physical disability. I'm still learning myself. I had a

0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:12.600
<v Speaker 2>guest this week actually pull me up on terminology, So

0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 2>don't feel bad about yourself like anything. It's all about

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:20.640
<v Speaker 2>learning and being open to people's perspectives. I'm always trying

0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 2>to do better. Yeah, exactly.

0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 3>I think that's such a good point because if people

0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:29.760
<v Speaker 3>are scared to ask questions or scared to say things

0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 3>like that means that the conversations just aren't happening. It's

0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:36.520
<v Speaker 3>better to have them and then learn the correct language

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 3>or how to do better.

0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Exactly right. And in the end, I always want to

0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:44.240
<v Speaker 2>come across as really friendly and I'm always open to people,

0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:47.680
<v Speaker 2>particularly for me, asking me questions. So that's why I

0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:50.520
<v Speaker 2>think it's really great to have these open conversations, because,

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:52.760
<v Speaker 2>as you say, if we don't talk about it, we

0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:58.240
<v Speaker 2>don't learn other terms. Confined to a wheelchair also not great.

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:03.160
<v Speaker 2>Being referred to as special or unlucky, or I've had

0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:06.280
<v Speaker 2>parents come up to me and in context with me

0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:09.960
<v Speaker 2>stating there saying aren't we lucky that we can walk

0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 2>and we can use our legs? Like oh god. So

0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:18.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's in some ways like I totally appreciate

0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:22.200
<v Speaker 2>we should all feel privileged for the different abilities that

0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 2>we have, but it's just really trying to be aware.

0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:29.640
<v Speaker 2>But I also can feel when people are anxious around

0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 2>me and they don't want to say the wrong thing,

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:35.400
<v Speaker 2>and then they do. It's like, oh, you're doing a

0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 2>good job, but just take a breath. Yeah.

0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 5>You can feel the intent behind it's coming from a

0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:43.200
<v Speaker 5>good place, but you're like, it's okay, take a.

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:48.160
<v Speaker 2>Breath, yeah, exactly. For example, I don't suffer with cerebral palsy.

0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:51.560
<v Speaker 2>I just have it. It's just I have a disability.

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:55.000
<v Speaker 2>So if you're in doubt, say person with a disability

0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 2>or I just like disabled because it's simple, Yeah it is, yeah, yeah,

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 2>because suffer implies that there's something wrong with you that

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:09.400
<v Speaker 2>you will get over. It's negative, it's negative, exactly right.

0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:16.880
<v Speaker 3>We know that learning starts at home. So what advice

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 3>can you give to parents about starting these conversations around

0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 3>people with disabilities? And why is it important? I think

0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 3>that just before you start. I do think that, like

0:31:26.880 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 3>the toys and the books and the things that we

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:31.960
<v Speaker 3>have for our kids are so much better and so

0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:34.360
<v Speaker 3>much more than what I ever had growing up. Like

0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm just thinking about, you know. In Lenny's Little Lego Duplo,

0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:40.600
<v Speaker 3>one of his Lego characters has a wheelchair It's.

0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:43.000
<v Speaker 2>So great, isn't it. I was so like, I was

0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:45.560
<v Speaker 2>too old when this came out, but when the disabled

0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Barbie came out in her yes, I was so excited.

0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:52.840
<v Speaker 2>It's so fantastic to see that form of inclusion. And

0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:56.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, as you would both know, representation and all

0:31:56.520 --> 0:32:00.680
<v Speaker 2>different minorities is so vital and it's really great to see,

0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:03.880
<v Speaker 2>as you say, cal to have different ways that kids

0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:08.360
<v Speaker 2>can be exposed to disabilities because it is part of life.

0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:11.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, we're one in five, so they will likely

0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 2>meet becomes friends with or I love one in their

0:32:16.200 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 2>life might have a disability now or might have a

0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 2>disability in the future. So it's really important that you

0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:27.920
<v Speaker 2>educate them and make them comfortable and make sure that

0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:31.880
<v Speaker 2>they feel like we're an equal citizen to themselves.

0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:35.120
<v Speaker 3>I'll have to put a link up in our show

0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:37.800
<v Speaker 3>notes because I've got this great book. It's called All

0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 3>About Diversity, and it's just it's a book for kids,

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:44.440
<v Speaker 3>but it's just about like how we're all different, and

0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:48.240
<v Speaker 3>it sort of like answers all different questions around diversity.

0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:52.360
<v Speaker 3>It's just really good with lots of pictures. Yeah, so

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:55.880
<v Speaker 3>that the kids can see that everyone is so different.

0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:58.479
<v Speaker 2>For sure, and I will send you a few different

0:32:58.480 --> 0:32:59.200
<v Speaker 2>books as well.

0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Please do Yeah, definitely that'll be good.

0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:05.560
<v Speaker 2>As we say, I think education is always important and

0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:09.000
<v Speaker 2>this is no different because I am a visual representation.

0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 2>Because I use an electric wheelchair, it's very obvious that

0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:15.239
<v Speaker 2>I have a disability. Yeah, don't forget that. A lot

0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:18.360
<v Speaker 2>of us are interacting with people that have disabilities and

0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:22.520
<v Speaker 2>it's not obvious. So you can have invisible disabilities too.

0:33:23.080 --> 0:33:27.120
<v Speaker 2>So both of you probably will know somebody with a disability.

0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:30.400
<v Speaker 2>And I know this isn't directly related, but I know

0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:34.680
<v Speaker 2>cal probably with your relationship with your nanny, Lenny would

0:33:34.760 --> 0:33:38.560
<v Speaker 2>have a different level of empathy and understanding that he

0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:41.840
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't otherwise about her different access needs.

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:45.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he does, And I've actually thought about that before

0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:48.760
<v Speaker 3>when we do, because we go to the aged care

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:52.280
<v Speaker 3>home once a week. But it's not just older people.

0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:57.120
<v Speaker 3>It is some younger people with severe disability and they're

0:33:57.160 --> 0:33:59.720
<v Speaker 3>in their wheelchair or some of them are actually not

0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 3>even able to be in a wheelchair, like they're actually

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:05.920
<v Speaker 3>in bed. So I think that it's really great that

0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:11.239
<v Speaker 3>he's exposed to so many different people. And I mean

0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:15.239
<v Speaker 3>he's almost three, but he doesn't really, he's not even

0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:18.239
<v Speaker 3>really curious because I guess for him, it's just so

0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:20.200
<v Speaker 3>normal to see different people all the time.

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Kids are taught that disability is wrong or different, inherently,

0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:27.680
<v Speaker 2>they don't see anything wrong with it at all, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's just part of the human experience. Homer School was

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<v Speaker 2>really fantastic for me, and then once we hit high school,

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<v Speaker 2>it's sort of shifted. You could really feel that shift.

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<v Speaker 2>So kids don't know that there's anything wrong with disability

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<v Speaker 2>as they isn't until they're taught otherwise. So that's why

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<v Speaker 2>people like me and myself are really tried to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that the young people of today don't lose that

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<v Speaker 2>form of empathy and understanding.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, definitely, such a good point, and why it's so

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<v Speaker 3>important to have representation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly right. I'm only one person with a disability,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's really important to make sure we have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of diverse voices.

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<v Speaker 5>I was gonna ask, what if you could give a

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<v Speaker 5>couple of examples of invisible disabilities just for people listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, so, intellectual disabilities as a whole often is invisible.

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<v Speaker 2>Anybody with chronic illness autism is a really big one

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<v Speaker 2>as well, there's lots of different things, things like Crohn's

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<v Speaker 2>disease is technically considered an invisible disability. There are hundreds,

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<v Speaker 2>there are a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the most common feedback that you get from your

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<v Speaker 3>pod listeners, able bodied and disabled on the life experiences

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<v Speaker 3>on the guests?

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<v Speaker 2>I think, overall, firstly, how much you can relate to

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<v Speaker 2>the guest, regardless of whether you have a disability or not.

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<v Speaker 2>I speak to many different people, and it's not often

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<v Speaker 2>that I speak to people with cerebral palsy, and I

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<v Speaker 2>can still relate to their experience. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>why it's really important to have different stories published, because

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<v Speaker 2>people realize we're actually not that different, and yes we

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<v Speaker 2>have disabilities, but we still live life, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's important to make sure that we can all see

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<v Speaker 2>each other as equal.

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<v Speaker 5>I had a sneaking suspicion that that would be the feedback,

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<v Speaker 5>because I think it always comes down to, like that

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<v Speaker 5>corny line, I'm probably gonna get it wrong. But there

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<v Speaker 5>are the things that like unite us. We have so

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<v Speaker 5>much more in common than we do that separates us,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, But I think often different things can get

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<v Speaker 5>in a way. So sharing those stories people realize, Oh,

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<v Speaker 5>everyone's just living their life in their own way.

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<v Speaker 2>And not only that, it often gives me kick up

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<v Speaker 2>the bomb because I think, my god, what am I

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<v Speaker 2>doing with my life? There's all these amazing people out there,

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<v Speaker 2>my goodness, So it just is incredible. There are so

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<v Speaker 2>many people that are so accomplished in the disability community.

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<v Speaker 5>I was just going to ask you a final wrap

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<v Speaker 5>up question, if you could leave parents listening with one

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<v Speaker 5>piece of advice when thinking about having conversations with their

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<v Speaker 5>kids about disabled people.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I would say to them, don't be frightened. There

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<v Speaker 2>are a lot of resources out there, and it's really

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<v Speaker 2>not that big of a conversation to have. Disability isn't

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<v Speaker 2>a tragedy. It shouldn't be framed as a tragedy. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just part of the human experience. And by doing this,

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<v Speaker 2>you're making sure your child is going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>good little human. Isn't that what we all want?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, definitely, I think you nailed it. Thank you so

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<v Speaker 5>much for coming on today.

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<v Speaker 1>We really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Key, Thanks Kelly, it's such a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thank you so much to Peter. I have just

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<v Speaker 3>like I can think of all of these other questions

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<v Speaker 3>that I wanted to ask, and yeah, I might even

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<v Speaker 3>have to get her back on the poet.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, she did say, like, if there aren't any questions

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