1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:15,064 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma 2 00:00:15,144 --> 00:00:18,824 Speaker 1: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that 3 00:00:18,904 --> 00:00:20,424 Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:25,264 --> 00:00:28,064 Speaker 2: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop 5 00:00:28,104 --> 00:00:30,264 Speaker 2: culture fix. I'm EMM Burnham. 6 00:00:29,864 --> 00:00:32,504 Speaker 1: And I'm Laura Brodnick, and today we need to talk 7 00:00:32,544 --> 00:00:35,864 Speaker 1: about the murky world of celebrity NDAs. So a new 8 00:00:35,944 --> 00:00:38,544 Speaker 1: article has come out with some very juicy insights into 9 00:00:38,584 --> 00:00:41,704 Speaker 1: how NDAs are changing the celebrity world. And we've also 10 00:00:41,744 --> 00:00:43,984 Speaker 1: got some accounts of celebrities to have passed them out 11 00:00:44,024 --> 00:00:47,144 Speaker 1: and some reactions to them that have not been very favorable. 12 00:00:47,264 --> 00:00:48,144 Speaker 1: So strap in for that. 13 00:00:48,664 --> 00:00:52,744 Speaker 2: But first, there was an article published in Newsweek titled 14 00:00:53,224 --> 00:00:57,624 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift is not a good role model. So I'm 15 00:00:57,624 --> 00:00:59,624 Speaker 2: not going to explain the entire article because. 16 00:00:59,464 --> 00:01:00,144 Speaker 1: I think you just did. 17 00:01:00,304 --> 00:01:03,584 Speaker 2: It's very interestiating, there's not much substance in it, but 18 00:01:03,624 --> 00:01:05,384 Speaker 2: I do want to read a quote that will probably 19 00:01:05,384 --> 00:01:08,184 Speaker 2: just make you equally angry. In the article, it says, 20 00:01:08,544 --> 00:01:12,464 Speaker 2: at thirty four, Swift remains unmarried and childless, the fact 21 00:01:12,504 --> 00:01:15,224 Speaker 2: that some might argue is irrelevant to her status as 22 00:01:15,224 --> 00:01:18,304 Speaker 2: a role model. But I suggest it's crucial to consider 23 00:01:18,464 --> 00:01:21,824 Speaker 2: what kind of example this sets for young girls. Whilst 24 00:01:21,824 --> 00:01:26,024 Speaker 2: Swift's musical talent and business acumen are certainly admirable, we 25 00:01:26,104 --> 00:01:28,784 Speaker 2: must ask if her personal life choices are ones we 26 00:01:28,824 --> 00:01:31,144 Speaker 2: want our sisters and daughters to emulate. 27 00:01:32,504 --> 00:01:34,064 Speaker 1: I've got to said, like, this has been out for 28 00:01:34,064 --> 00:01:35,584 Speaker 1: a couple of days. The reason you haven't brought it 29 00:01:35,664 --> 00:01:37,424 Speaker 1: up is that I didn't want to give this any airtime. 30 00:01:37,504 --> 00:01:40,344 Speaker 2: We've had this conversation not only so many times, but 31 00:01:40,384 --> 00:01:43,024 Speaker 2: also from like twenty fourteen. 32 00:01:43,064 --> 00:01:46,864 Speaker 1: Onwards, Like it's ridiculous, this is such a predictable conversation. 33 00:01:47,064 --> 00:01:50,264 Speaker 1: It's like man writes bad thing about Taylor Swift, world 34 00:01:50,304 --> 00:01:53,064 Speaker 1: jumps up and down in anger and says man is 35 00:01:53,104 --> 00:01:55,424 Speaker 1: bad and no, Taylor Swift is amazing and how dare 36 00:01:55,464 --> 00:01:57,384 Speaker 1: you judge women? Which is all a true point. But 37 00:01:57,424 --> 00:02:00,144 Speaker 1: they didn't feel anything new or interesting in it, which 38 00:02:00,184 --> 00:02:01,664 Speaker 1: is why I didn't want to touch it. But then 39 00:02:01,704 --> 00:02:05,064 Speaker 1: you point out that outlets using Taylor Swift for these 40 00:02:05,144 --> 00:02:08,504 Speaker 1: rage made articles, and the increase of that is something 41 00:02:08,504 --> 00:02:09,864 Speaker 1: that we should talk about. 42 00:02:09,624 --> 00:02:11,904 Speaker 2: Just the article alone, Like there's not that many people 43 00:02:11,944 --> 00:02:15,264 Speaker 2: who comment on articles on the actual publisher web page. 44 00:02:15,304 --> 00:02:19,824 Speaker 2: So that article alone on Newsweek had over five hundred comments. 45 00:02:20,184 --> 00:02:22,824 Speaker 2: It was trending on Twitter, everywhere you see it on 46 00:02:22,864 --> 00:02:26,424 Speaker 2: social just has so many comments and sub threads and 47 00:02:26,464 --> 00:02:29,024 Speaker 2: sub tweets. It's gone absolutely. 48 00:02:28,704 --> 00:02:30,944 Speaker 1: Viral, which was the point of them running it to 49 00:02:30,944 --> 00:02:31,984 Speaker 1: get off the point. 50 00:02:32,144 --> 00:02:35,384 Speaker 2: And it's annoying because everything I've seen online about it 51 00:02:35,384 --> 00:02:38,464 Speaker 2: has been people saying the same thing. It's mainly women 52 00:02:38,504 --> 00:02:41,224 Speaker 2: who are re sharing it, and it's mainly them saying 53 00:02:41,344 --> 00:02:43,984 Speaker 2: that this is a ridiculous article, which is kind of 54 00:02:44,024 --> 00:02:46,704 Speaker 2: what we're saying as well, like it's crazy, and it 55 00:02:46,824 --> 00:02:50,944 Speaker 2: is exactly what Newsweek wanted because they're getting all that engagement, 56 00:02:50,944 --> 00:02:54,304 Speaker 2: they're getting all those comments, all that circulation, all the TVs, all. 57 00:02:54,304 --> 00:02:56,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and this is an area that you worked 58 00:02:56,424 --> 00:02:59,024 Speaker 1: in for many years, and that audience engagement and so 59 00:02:59,184 --> 00:03:02,024 Speaker 1: driving up all that engagement across their social channels is 60 00:03:02,064 --> 00:03:05,184 Speaker 1: going to lift all of their other articles and social 61 00:03:05,224 --> 00:03:07,784 Speaker 1: posts and pretty much it's going to lift all their companies. 62 00:03:07,824 --> 00:03:10,184 Speaker 1: So it's only having a positive effect, which I think 63 00:03:10,264 --> 00:03:13,384 Speaker 1: is exactly what Taylor Swift's fans would hate that they're 64 00:03:13,424 --> 00:03:16,824 Speaker 1: contributing to this company making money off this rage bait opinion. 65 00:03:17,144 --> 00:03:20,184 Speaker 1: It's especially when you think about, like I know so 66 00:03:20,304 --> 00:03:23,264 Speaker 1: many people who like specialty music writers, and so many 67 00:03:23,264 --> 00:03:25,984 Speaker 1: of them just never feel like they can ever put 68 00:03:26,024 --> 00:03:28,464 Speaker 1: their names to anything that's not even like a hate 69 00:03:28,464 --> 00:03:30,504 Speaker 1: piece against Taylor Swift, but just a critique of her 70 00:03:30,584 --> 00:03:33,384 Speaker 1: music in the way they would critique any other artists. 71 00:03:33,664 --> 00:03:37,304 Speaker 1: Because Taylor Swifts fans don't just look at that and 72 00:03:37,344 --> 00:03:39,064 Speaker 1: be like, oh, this person disagree with me on this 73 00:03:39,224 --> 00:03:41,824 Speaker 1: music and that's fine. Instead, they track that person down, 74 00:03:42,024 --> 00:03:44,784 Speaker 1: they try and dox them online, they send them abuse 75 00:03:44,824 --> 00:03:47,744 Speaker 1: and hate, and so so many editors I know have 76 00:03:47,864 --> 00:03:50,424 Speaker 1: these discussions with their writers when these stories come out 77 00:03:50,424 --> 00:03:52,464 Speaker 1: about Taylor Swift at the end of the day that 78 00:03:52,504 --> 00:03:54,384 Speaker 1: I either have to not publish the piece or publish 79 00:03:54,384 --> 00:03:57,024 Speaker 1: it without a byline, which isn't best practice. But they're like, 80 00:03:57,064 --> 00:03:58,824 Speaker 1: I've got this journalist sitting in front of me who 81 00:03:58,864 --> 00:04:01,584 Speaker 1: is scared of these fans of Taylor Swift, and therefore 82 00:04:02,024 --> 00:04:04,704 Speaker 1: we have to protect them first and foremost, which is 83 00:04:04,744 --> 00:04:07,584 Speaker 1: so like so many steps. It's unfortunate, but it's also 84 00:04:07,664 --> 00:04:10,984 Speaker 1: so many steps away from this rage baited article of Newsweek. 85 00:04:11,024 --> 00:04:14,184 Speaker 1: Who doesn't feel like they're harnessing that anger to use 86 00:04:14,224 --> 00:04:15,024 Speaker 1: it in a different way. 87 00:04:15,384 --> 00:04:18,344 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is unfortunate that when you're a journalist 88 00:04:18,464 --> 00:04:20,984 Speaker 2: you want to be proud of your work, like especially 89 00:04:20,984 --> 00:04:24,384 Speaker 2: the opinions you have. We've done it ourselves. Only recently, 90 00:04:24,424 --> 00:04:27,864 Speaker 2: we were talking about Taylor Swift's breakup with Joe Alwin 91 00:04:27,944 --> 00:04:29,864 Speaker 2: and we were talking about how he's finally talked about 92 00:04:29,864 --> 00:04:33,064 Speaker 2: the relationships for the first time, and a clip of 93 00:04:33,104 --> 00:04:36,624 Speaker 2: that podcast we posted on the Spill Instagram page, and 94 00:04:36,864 --> 00:04:39,384 Speaker 2: I was saying in it how she makes money from 95 00:04:39,424 --> 00:04:42,384 Speaker 2: her breakups, which I'm standing by that she does obviously, 96 00:04:42,424 --> 00:04:45,264 Speaker 2: she writes songs, and from those songs about her breakup, 97 00:04:45,304 --> 00:04:49,184 Speaker 2: she makes money from them. And people went crazy on 98 00:04:49,224 --> 00:04:52,264 Speaker 2: our socials for saying that, and it's so true. It 99 00:04:52,304 --> 00:04:55,664 Speaker 2: feels like we can't do our jobs. And part of 100 00:04:55,664 --> 00:04:59,144 Speaker 2: our jobs is critiquing artists and people who are working 101 00:04:59,144 --> 00:05:02,064 Speaker 2: in the film industry and entertainers, and if we can't 102 00:05:02,104 --> 00:05:04,984 Speaker 2: do that for everyone, it's actually quite unfortunate that we 103 00:05:05,024 --> 00:05:06,824 Speaker 2: feel like we can't do it for Tail Swift. 104 00:05:06,544 --> 00:05:08,504 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And just to finish off, I don't 105 00:05:08,504 --> 00:05:10,664 Speaker 1: want to give any credence this newsweek out to and 106 00:05:10,704 --> 00:05:13,464 Speaker 1: this man who we haven't bothered to name because he's unimportant. 107 00:05:13,504 --> 00:05:16,704 Speaker 1: It's what he stands for is that if you don't 108 00:05:16,744 --> 00:05:18,704 Speaker 1: think that women in their thirties who are unmarried and 109 00:05:18,784 --> 00:05:21,704 Speaker 1: childless don't get judged all the time, then that is 110 00:05:21,744 --> 00:05:23,704 Speaker 1: a fancasy land I would love to live in, because 111 00:05:24,064 --> 00:05:26,064 Speaker 1: what he's saying, like, you're not supposed to say it 112 00:05:26,064 --> 00:05:28,824 Speaker 1: out loud, but it's true. It's one hundred percent true. 113 00:05:28,864 --> 00:05:31,184 Speaker 1: And as a woman myself who's in my thirties, unmarried, 114 00:05:31,424 --> 00:05:33,544 Speaker 1: without kids, if I walk into a room and I 115 00:05:33,584 --> 00:05:36,064 Speaker 1: say that to people, even to people who I know 116 00:05:36,144 --> 00:05:38,584 Speaker 1: are on podcasts or who write about, you know, a 117 00:05:38,624 --> 00:05:41,224 Speaker 1: woman's choice and we shouldn't judge, and who are very vocal, 118 00:05:41,624 --> 00:05:44,064 Speaker 1: there is this shade of kind of almost like pity 119 00:05:44,264 --> 00:05:46,984 Speaker 1: or just like like trepidation that comes with their face. 120 00:05:47,024 --> 00:05:50,744 Speaker 1: And they always go, oh, that's okay, you'll be fine. 121 00:05:50,824 --> 00:05:53,264 Speaker 1: You're only you've got time, like they try. And so 122 00:05:53,424 --> 00:05:55,864 Speaker 1: I was like, everyone's acting like what this man has 123 00:05:55,904 --> 00:05:58,104 Speaker 1: said is so out of the realm of possibility. I'm like, 124 00:05:58,424 --> 00:06:00,944 Speaker 1: what he said is what gets said in normal conversation 125 00:06:01,104 --> 00:06:03,424 Speaker 1: all the time. It's just that he said about Taylor 126 00:06:03,464 --> 00:06:06,024 Speaker 1: Swift when allowed to critique Taylor Swift, even though there 127 00:06:06,104 --> 00:06:09,304 Speaker 1: is absolutely nothing wrong with not being married and not 128 00:06:09,344 --> 00:06:12,544 Speaker 1: having kids in your third or any age. 129 00:06:14,064 --> 00:06:18,024 Speaker 2: The Cuts have published an investigative peace that I am 130 00:06:18,104 --> 00:06:21,824 Speaker 2: so obsessed with. It's called Hush Hush Affair How the 131 00:06:21,944 --> 00:06:26,384 Speaker 2: NDA became the defining legal document of our time. So 132 00:06:26,424 --> 00:06:30,224 Speaker 2: the piece talks about NDAs in general, especially their rise 133 00:06:30,464 --> 00:06:33,664 Speaker 2: in society, like not just for celebrities, but just like 134 00:06:33,904 --> 00:06:36,224 Speaker 2: the average Joe. I can't say that I've made someone 135 00:06:36,224 --> 00:06:37,544 Speaker 2: sign an NTA. 136 00:06:37,904 --> 00:06:39,904 Speaker 1: I've signed so many of them. 137 00:06:39,744 --> 00:06:42,984 Speaker 2: But you also give NDA like energy. I feel like 138 00:06:43,144 --> 00:06:45,624 Speaker 2: I do the amount of stories you have about celebrities 139 00:06:45,664 --> 00:06:48,264 Speaker 2: that we never name on the podcast, but you've told 140 00:06:48,304 --> 00:06:48,704 Speaker 2: me then. 141 00:06:48,904 --> 00:06:51,024 Speaker 1: I actually am having a small moment of regret now 142 00:06:51,024 --> 00:06:53,624 Speaker 1: because I've signed so many NDAs. Because when you spend 143 00:06:53,624 --> 00:06:55,904 Speaker 1: time with famous people, you just have to. I'm always 144 00:06:55,944 --> 00:06:57,864 Speaker 1: printing them off on the office computer and signing them 145 00:06:57,864 --> 00:07:00,344 Speaker 1: and just leaving them lying around or to go on 146 00:07:00,464 --> 00:07:02,264 Speaker 1: step visits, you have to sign an NDA, and I'm 147 00:07:02,304 --> 00:07:04,064 Speaker 1: just like, I feel like should be more protective with them. 148 00:07:04,264 --> 00:07:06,224 Speaker 1: But I've never asked you to sign one, and I've 149 00:07:06,264 --> 00:07:08,624 Speaker 1: told you some stuff. So I'm going to get one 150 00:07:08,664 --> 00:07:10,664 Speaker 1: printed after this to or. 151 00:07:10,624 --> 00:07:12,824 Speaker 2: Maybe I'll make you sign one for me, and you 152 00:07:12,824 --> 00:07:14,624 Speaker 2: can't say the stuff that you've told me that I 153 00:07:14,624 --> 00:07:15,384 Speaker 2: can tell you back. 154 00:07:15,464 --> 00:07:17,784 Speaker 1: Oh, this is a dangerously just say it. What's going 155 00:07:17,864 --> 00:07:18,224 Speaker 1: to happen? 156 00:07:18,464 --> 00:07:21,704 Speaker 2: So NDAs if you don't know our non disclosure agreements, 157 00:07:21,744 --> 00:07:24,104 Speaker 2: and majority of them are documents that you have to 158 00:07:24,144 --> 00:07:27,064 Speaker 2: sign basically to say that if you're in a room, 159 00:07:27,104 --> 00:07:29,024 Speaker 2: you have to like sign saying that whatever you see 160 00:07:29,064 --> 00:07:31,624 Speaker 2: here or talk about, you are agreeing that you won't 161 00:07:31,624 --> 00:07:34,264 Speaker 2: say out of that room. They have so many different 162 00:07:34,304 --> 00:07:37,824 Speaker 2: types ares types for like people in high profile relationships. 163 00:07:38,144 --> 00:07:40,304 Speaker 2: So many celebrities if they go to a house party, 164 00:07:40,304 --> 00:07:42,624 Speaker 2: they make everyone at the house party sign an NDA 165 00:07:42,744 --> 00:07:45,264 Speaker 2: if they see them there. What the piece talks about 166 00:07:45,464 --> 00:07:49,104 Speaker 2: is also the rise of NDAs for just average people, 167 00:07:49,264 --> 00:07:52,664 Speaker 2: especially with big finance people. They were saying, like finance 168 00:07:52,744 --> 00:07:55,464 Speaker 2: bros make their dates sign NDAs. Oh, I believe that 169 00:07:55,704 --> 00:07:57,024 Speaker 2: I would believe that too, And you know what, I'd 170 00:07:57,024 --> 00:07:59,224 Speaker 2: be down to sign an DA. If I'm signing an NDA, 171 00:07:59,264 --> 00:08:00,504 Speaker 2: you have to give me something really juice. 172 00:08:00,544 --> 00:08:01,824 Speaker 1: I'm going to pull one out of my next day 173 00:08:01,944 --> 00:08:04,464 Speaker 1: just to sort of see the vibes. Because the thing is, 174 00:08:04,504 --> 00:08:06,544 Speaker 1: most of my best stories that I whip out on dates. 175 00:08:06,584 --> 00:08:08,144 Speaker 1: You know, you have a few stories like these are 176 00:08:08,184 --> 00:08:10,704 Speaker 1: crowd pleasers. I know how to tell them really well. 177 00:08:10,944 --> 00:08:13,864 Speaker 1: They all involve run in like crazy runs with celebrities. 178 00:08:13,904 --> 00:08:15,744 Speaker 1: And I just realized that I just give that information 179 00:08:15,784 --> 00:08:19,824 Speaker 1: away for free. She's giving me information dated me. Please 180 00:08:19,864 --> 00:08:21,464 Speaker 1: don't put that out there. I'm going to send you 181 00:08:21,504 --> 00:08:22,904 Speaker 1: an nd and the mail today. 182 00:08:22,784 --> 00:08:25,064 Speaker 2: You can like make the complaint saying that I signed 183 00:08:25,104 --> 00:08:27,144 Speaker 2: so many NDAs and I completely forgot, because this is 184 00:08:27,144 --> 00:08:28,944 Speaker 2: what this piece is actually going in about about how 185 00:08:28,944 --> 00:08:32,984 Speaker 2: how many NDAs there are circulating around the world. One 186 00:08:32,984 --> 00:08:35,624 Speaker 2: of the celebrities they talked about was Taylor Swift till 187 00:08:35,624 --> 00:08:38,984 Speaker 2: we discuss and how she has publicly said that she 188 00:08:38,984 --> 00:08:42,304 Speaker 2: doesn't like NDAs but also makes so many people's. 189 00:08:41,904 --> 00:08:44,304 Speaker 1: Side and you would have to, like, just think, anyone 190 00:08:44,304 --> 00:08:47,424 Speaker 1: who comes into her home any capacity, anyone who's backstage 191 00:08:47,424 --> 00:08:50,104 Speaker 1: on her toours, anyone that she interacts with in any 192 00:08:50,144 --> 00:08:52,104 Speaker 1: way would have to sign an NDA because can you 193 00:08:52,144 --> 00:08:54,704 Speaker 1: imagine the information that people want to know about her? 194 00:08:54,704 --> 00:08:56,864 Speaker 1: And it wouldn't even be bad stuff. It could be 195 00:08:56,864 --> 00:09:00,424 Speaker 1: things like her movements for security reasons, or like things 196 00:09:00,424 --> 00:09:02,344 Speaker 1: she likes to cook when she's alone in her kitchen, 197 00:09:02,424 --> 00:09:04,664 Speaker 1: Like those are the kind of things that people want 198 00:09:04,704 --> 00:09:06,144 Speaker 1: to know and that celebrities protect. 199 00:09:06,584 --> 00:09:10,024 Speaker 2: There was a time where she publicly stated that Scooter 200 00:09:10,464 --> 00:09:14,264 Speaker 2: Braun asked her to sign an NDA because that whole 201 00:09:14,304 --> 00:09:17,424 Speaker 2: dispute with her music and how he owned her music. Yeah, 202 00:09:17,464 --> 00:09:19,944 Speaker 2: and he said that you can buy your music back 203 00:09:19,984 --> 00:09:23,264 Speaker 2: off me if you sign an NDA, speaking only positively 204 00:09:23,624 --> 00:09:24,064 Speaker 2: about me. 205 00:09:24,264 --> 00:09:26,664 Speaker 1: She's like, I'd rather throw myself into the ocean, and. 206 00:09:26,584 --> 00:09:29,544 Speaker 2: She did not sign that NDA. More recently, though, she 207 00:09:29,624 --> 00:09:32,704 Speaker 2: made Ethan Hawke sign an NDA because he appeared in 208 00:09:32,744 --> 00:09:35,384 Speaker 2: her latest music video, Fortnite. He couldn't even tell his 209 00:09:35,664 --> 00:09:38,304 Speaker 2: teenage daughters that he had appeared in that music video 210 00:09:38,384 --> 00:09:39,384 Speaker 2: while he was working. 211 00:09:39,104 --> 00:09:41,144 Speaker 1: On Well again, that makes sense from a business point 212 00:09:41,144 --> 00:09:43,624 Speaker 1: of view, but also you've got like not just Taylor Slift, 213 00:09:43,624 --> 00:09:45,264 Speaker 1: and I guess we're just using her because there's such 214 00:09:45,264 --> 00:09:47,704 Speaker 1: an intensity around here. But you've got not just her, 215 00:09:47,864 --> 00:09:50,184 Speaker 1: but like the private lives of like her family, Like 216 00:09:50,184 --> 00:09:52,384 Speaker 1: people are so invested in knowing whether or not her 217 00:09:52,464 --> 00:09:54,224 Speaker 1: parents are divorced. Don't come for us tree pain with 218 00:09:54,264 --> 00:09:56,824 Speaker 1: saying allegedly that sort of stuff, and the people who 219 00:09:56,904 --> 00:09:59,344 Speaker 1: work in her inner circle would know, like if her 220 00:09:59,344 --> 00:10:02,344 Speaker 1: parents are divorce, like before she breaks up with someone, 221 00:10:02,784 --> 00:10:05,984 Speaker 1: any kind of bad blood that she's having, ant witches 222 00:10:06,024 --> 00:10:09,824 Speaker 1: at that, any kind of black blood she's having, the 223 00:10:09,824 --> 00:10:11,664 Speaker 1: people she will work with, Like, that's all the stuff 224 00:10:11,664 --> 00:10:13,944 Speaker 1: that's covered under an NDA. It's not just Taylor Swift, 225 00:10:13,984 --> 00:10:15,944 Speaker 1: it's her entire circle that needs protection. 226 00:10:16,344 --> 00:10:20,784 Speaker 2: And also just like how much trust we've lost in 227 00:10:20,824 --> 00:10:24,664 Speaker 2: society because NDAs have just held it all together. A 228 00:10:24,704 --> 00:10:28,544 Speaker 2: really interesting example that the piece talked about was OJ Simpson. 229 00:10:28,984 --> 00:10:31,824 Speaker 2: It's been reported that he got each one of his family, 230 00:10:31,864 --> 00:10:33,824 Speaker 2: like each member of his family to sign an NDA 231 00:10:33,904 --> 00:10:36,824 Speaker 2: before they visited him on his deathbed. And I'm like, 232 00:10:36,944 --> 00:10:39,904 Speaker 2: your own family, and also you're dying. 233 00:10:40,424 --> 00:10:43,064 Speaker 1: I mean, we obviously know all the allegations against OJ 234 00:10:43,184 --> 00:10:46,824 Speaker 1: Simpson and people saying that he allegedly killed his wife 235 00:10:46,464 --> 00:10:50,144 Speaker 1: and many other terrible things that people alleged he did 236 00:10:50,184 --> 00:10:52,384 Speaker 1: in his life in his career, and he spent such 237 00:10:52,384 --> 00:10:54,344 Speaker 1: a huge chunk of his life and so much money 238 00:10:54,624 --> 00:10:57,984 Speaker 1: refuting those rumors and stories or suing people for saying it, 239 00:10:58,344 --> 00:11:00,424 Speaker 1: or really trying to get people to believe these things 240 00:11:00,464 --> 00:11:02,904 Speaker 1: aren't true. So something came out on his deathbed, like 241 00:11:02,944 --> 00:11:05,864 Speaker 1: that's how much he cared about this legacy staying intact. 242 00:11:06,024 --> 00:11:07,904 Speaker 2: It was insane. I'm like, oh my god, I wish 243 00:11:07,944 --> 00:11:09,424 Speaker 2: I could have been a fly on a wall. 244 00:11:09,464 --> 00:11:11,744 Speaker 1: You wish he could have been an od sin Since deathbed, I. 245 00:11:11,664 --> 00:11:13,624 Speaker 2: Wish I wish I wish I was there. Can you 246 00:11:13,664 --> 00:11:17,704 Speaker 2: guess what the number one type of NDA is amongst entertainers? 247 00:11:18,024 --> 00:11:20,144 Speaker 1: Oh god, the number one type of NDA is it 248 00:11:20,144 --> 00:11:22,984 Speaker 1: to do with like people they're in the relationships with. 249 00:11:23,184 --> 00:11:26,544 Speaker 2: It's cosmetic procedures. Of course, Oh my god, of course 250 00:11:26,704 --> 00:11:27,544 Speaker 2: is that insane? 251 00:11:27,744 --> 00:11:30,024 Speaker 1: Yes, now that you're saying that makes so much sense, 252 00:11:30,104 --> 00:11:33,104 Speaker 1: because there are some women who go on podcasts at 253 00:11:33,104 --> 00:11:35,744 Speaker 1: the Lady Gang podcast and they'll talk about like Keelty 254 00:11:35,824 --> 00:11:37,624 Speaker 1: Knight or Becketobin, who are the host on that and 255 00:11:37,624 --> 00:11:40,024 Speaker 1: who are also like actresses and presenters in like the 256 00:11:40,064 --> 00:11:43,024 Speaker 1: Hollywood world, and they sometimes on their podcast talk about 257 00:11:43,024 --> 00:11:47,464 Speaker 1: going into these really high end cosmetic places in LA 258 00:11:47,624 --> 00:11:49,464 Speaker 1: because they're very open about what they get done to 259 00:11:49,504 --> 00:11:52,664 Speaker 1: their faces. And they'll say on the podcast like, holy hell, 260 00:11:52,704 --> 00:11:55,264 Speaker 1: we can't say but you would just be so shocked 261 00:11:55,264 --> 00:11:56,984 Speaker 1: of who else was sitting in that waiting room and 262 00:11:56,984 --> 00:11:59,264 Speaker 1: who went in before us and we came in afterwards. Exactly. 263 00:11:59,344 --> 00:12:01,344 Speaker 1: It's just all these women that we see in our screens, 264 00:12:01,344 --> 00:12:03,704 Speaker 1: and men too, men just as much as women may 265 00:12:03,744 --> 00:12:06,184 Speaker 1: all point out, which I think is so fascinating, but 266 00:12:06,224 --> 00:12:08,224 Speaker 1: that never gets out because the people who work there 267 00:12:08,224 --> 00:12:11,184 Speaker 1: are such iron cloud NDAs. And I think also what 268 00:12:11,224 --> 00:12:13,464 Speaker 1: you're saying is true is that if you're just another person, 269 00:12:13,464 --> 00:12:15,224 Speaker 1: if you're like the person who's parking the car, or 270 00:12:15,264 --> 00:12:18,664 Speaker 1: the receptionist or another patient or the guest of another patient, 271 00:12:18,704 --> 00:12:20,024 Speaker 1: you also have to sign an NDA. 272 00:12:20,104 --> 00:12:22,624 Speaker 2: Imagine just like mining your own business, waiting to go in, 273 00:12:22,664 --> 00:12:24,904 Speaker 2: and then it's like a document just land on your 274 00:12:24,984 --> 00:12:28,104 Speaker 2: life and runs past you. I'm like, okay, okay, I 275 00:12:28,144 --> 00:12:30,624 Speaker 2: get it now, but you're right. Also relations like high 276 00:12:30,624 --> 00:12:34,424 Speaker 2: profile relationships, yeah, biggest perpetrators of the NDA, to the 277 00:12:34,464 --> 00:12:38,064 Speaker 2: point where apparently, according to the lawyers that this piece 278 00:12:38,104 --> 00:12:42,464 Speaker 2: has interviewed as well as Donir, obviously she is anonymous, 279 00:12:42,464 --> 00:12:45,424 Speaker 2: but she was also interviewed for this piece. Apparently it's 280 00:12:45,464 --> 00:12:49,424 Speaker 2: weird if celebrities don't have NDAs within their relationship. Jamie 281 00:12:49,464 --> 00:12:52,344 Speaker 2: Fox makes no one sign an NDA when they're dating him. 282 00:12:52,384 --> 00:12:54,504 Speaker 1: That's because the Church of Scientology did it for him. 283 00:12:59,704 --> 00:13:03,224 Speaker 1: This man, he was all like, I'm not saying anything. 284 00:13:03,264 --> 00:13:04,664 Speaker 1: If you know what we're talking about, it is because 285 00:13:04,704 --> 00:13:06,064 Speaker 1: it's you know, been out for a while. That he 286 00:13:06,144 --> 00:13:09,504 Speaker 1: dated Katie Holmes for many, many many years after she 287 00:13:09,584 --> 00:13:11,744 Speaker 1: broke up with Tom Cruise. And we don't know for sure, 288 00:13:11,824 --> 00:13:15,544 Speaker 1: but the allegation is that for Katie Holmes to kind 289 00:13:15,584 --> 00:13:17,384 Speaker 1: of get in her and her daughter Suri away from 290 00:13:17,464 --> 00:13:20,504 Speaker 1: Tom Cruise, that she signed a lot of legal documents 291 00:13:20,704 --> 00:13:22,304 Speaker 1: and one of them was that she would never date 292 00:13:22,344 --> 00:13:25,064 Speaker 1: publicly or speak about dating publicly for a certain amount 293 00:13:25,104 --> 00:13:28,184 Speaker 1: of years after she and Tom Cruise divorced, and then 294 00:13:28,384 --> 00:13:30,304 Speaker 1: because she was with Jamie Fox, they had to stay 295 00:13:30,384 --> 00:13:32,584 Speaker 1: quiet for a certain amount of years. And then the 296 00:13:32,704 --> 00:13:34,304 Speaker 1: day that that was up, they were like spotted on 297 00:13:34,344 --> 00:13:35,344 Speaker 1: the beach holding hands. 298 00:13:35,664 --> 00:13:37,384 Speaker 2: Jamie Fox was like, I've been on the other side. 299 00:13:37,384 --> 00:13:38,664 Speaker 2: I'll never make a woman do this. 300 00:13:38,744 --> 00:13:40,784 Speaker 1: So yeah, he's like, I just don't want to go 301 00:13:40,824 --> 00:13:42,664 Speaker 1: through that again. Oh that kind of makes me like me, 302 00:13:42,744 --> 00:13:44,744 Speaker 1: but also like maybe he's just like I kind of 303 00:13:44,784 --> 00:13:45,944 Speaker 1: want people to talk about it. 304 00:13:46,144 --> 00:13:49,944 Speaker 2: Yeah. So the piece then goes into how NDAs are 305 00:13:49,944 --> 00:13:53,664 Speaker 2: completely taking over our world. For example, a lawyer was 306 00:13:53,704 --> 00:13:56,624 Speaker 2: talking about how he had to counsel two parents because 307 00:13:56,664 --> 00:13:59,184 Speaker 2: the eleven year old child was on a children's reality 308 00:13:59,224 --> 00:14:01,624 Speaker 2: TV show and their child couldn't talk about it, and 309 00:14:01,664 --> 00:14:04,264 Speaker 2: he was saying, you're asking a fifth grader to not 310 00:14:04,304 --> 00:14:06,784 Speaker 2: tell their friends what they did this summer. So after 311 00:14:06,784 --> 00:14:10,264 Speaker 2: the break, we're going through all the weirdest, most wildest 312 00:14:10,784 --> 00:14:13,904 Speaker 2: stories from the celebrity world. 313 00:14:14,344 --> 00:14:20,944 Speaker 1: And a Birdie boy a body couldn't say yeah. So 314 00:14:21,064 --> 00:14:24,424 Speaker 1: very few celebrities talk about signing NDAs outside. 315 00:14:24,064 --> 00:14:26,784 Speaker 2: Which is so funny. Thing is, obviously they can't talk about. 316 00:14:26,984 --> 00:14:29,544 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, but even just like on their rand about 317 00:14:29,544 --> 00:14:31,464 Speaker 1: why they think that they need to pass them out, 318 00:14:31,464 --> 00:14:33,024 Speaker 1: Like you'll have some like a Taylor Swift wrap it 319 00:14:33,064 --> 00:14:35,224 Speaker 1: up with Scooter Braun, but that's only because she's so 320 00:14:35,304 --> 00:14:38,064 Speaker 1: aware that, like people are very invested in that back 321 00:14:38,104 --> 00:14:39,984 Speaker 1: and forth between them, and they're on her side, so 322 00:14:39,984 --> 00:14:42,304 Speaker 1: there's gonna be no fallout for that. But then I 323 00:14:42,344 --> 00:14:45,664 Speaker 1: think it's mostly celebrities who make their romantic partners sign them, 324 00:14:45,704 --> 00:14:48,064 Speaker 1: like Jojo see why not that long ago when she 325 00:14:48,104 --> 00:14:49,904 Speaker 1: was on call, her daddy was talking about she gets 326 00:14:49,904 --> 00:14:52,504 Speaker 1: her security to vet anyone before they go on a date, 327 00:14:52,904 --> 00:14:55,184 Speaker 1: checks and balances, and then they have to sign eighty 328 00:14:55,384 --> 00:14:58,264 Speaker 1: NDAs before they can come into like her Jojo Siwa 329 00:14:58,384 --> 00:15:01,024 Speaker 1: Palace to hang out with her. But I understand because 330 00:15:01,064 --> 00:15:03,224 Speaker 1: she's been such a public figure, you know, you know 331 00:15:03,264 --> 00:15:06,224 Speaker 1: that reality TV world where rumors and setups on that 332 00:15:06,224 --> 00:15:07,904 Speaker 1: sort of thing, and she's been in that since she 333 00:15:07,944 --> 00:15:10,544 Speaker 1: was a small child. She has said it herself, she 334 00:15:10,544 --> 00:15:12,344 Speaker 1: doesn't know anything else. 335 00:15:12,624 --> 00:15:15,624 Speaker 2: It must be so weird to be a celebrity who 336 00:15:15,624 --> 00:15:18,224 Speaker 2: has to give out an NDA because you can't just 337 00:15:18,304 --> 00:15:24,184 Speaker 2: let relationships and even friendships happen naturally. It's literally like, oh, 338 00:15:24,304 --> 00:15:26,104 Speaker 2: I think we're about to be friends, so can you 339 00:15:26,144 --> 00:15:26,984 Speaker 2: just quickly sign? 340 00:15:27,064 --> 00:15:28,744 Speaker 1: Well, we have to do it first. And that's something 341 00:15:28,824 --> 00:15:31,024 Speaker 1: like Raven Simone. You know who Raven Simone is, right, 342 00:15:31,064 --> 00:15:35,344 Speaker 1: because so Raven obviously big person for your generation and 343 00:15:35,384 --> 00:15:38,504 Speaker 1: for mine, has talked a lot about getting her wife 344 00:15:38,664 --> 00:15:41,584 Speaker 1: Miranda to sign a lot of paperwork just two months 345 00:15:41,624 --> 00:15:44,224 Speaker 1: into their romance, and Raven was saying, again, I think 346 00:15:44,224 --> 00:15:46,064 Speaker 1: it's a child star thing, like this is all She's 347 00:15:46,104 --> 00:15:48,624 Speaker 1: no one growing up and she said that she said 348 00:15:48,624 --> 00:15:50,824 Speaker 1: to Miranda they're now married, so it worked out. Okay, 349 00:15:50,864 --> 00:15:52,424 Speaker 1: there can be love on the other side of an 350 00:15:52,504 --> 00:15:54,784 Speaker 1: NDA is what this is telling us is that she 351 00:15:54,864 --> 00:15:56,584 Speaker 1: had to say to her, look, I know this takes 352 00:15:56,584 --> 00:15:59,344 Speaker 1: the romance out of our relationship. It doesn't feel genuine, 353 00:15:59,544 --> 00:16:02,624 Speaker 1: but also we live in Hollywood. And then her wife 354 00:16:02,664 --> 00:16:04,104 Speaker 1: is just like, well, it is what it is. So 355 00:16:04,184 --> 00:16:06,064 Speaker 1: two months into dating, Well, they can get a lot 356 00:16:06,104 --> 00:16:07,824 Speaker 1: of dirt on someone in two months they feel She 357 00:16:07,944 --> 00:16:10,344 Speaker 1: signed all these NDAs and then she said her wife, 358 00:16:10,384 --> 00:16:12,184 Speaker 1: I've said to her, now you have to prove to 359 00:16:12,184 --> 00:16:14,664 Speaker 1: me beyond these pages this is real and who you are. 360 00:16:14,984 --> 00:16:16,784 Speaker 1: Don't we marry a long time now? So that's cute. 361 00:16:16,784 --> 00:16:19,584 Speaker 1: But another child star is like Britney Spears. God, yes, 362 00:16:19,944 --> 00:16:22,264 Speaker 1: that's why so much of that stayed hidden around her 363 00:16:22,264 --> 00:16:25,944 Speaker 1: conservatorship in her life, because everyone who came to work 364 00:16:25,984 --> 00:16:28,344 Speaker 1: with her or was like involved in her tours, or 365 00:16:28,464 --> 00:16:30,224 Speaker 1: was like a babysit of her son that she never 366 00:16:30,224 --> 00:16:32,944 Speaker 1: had any contact with. It was her dad who put 367 00:16:32,984 --> 00:16:36,024 Speaker 1: together the NDA. It's it was very specific around that 368 00:16:36,104 --> 00:16:38,704 Speaker 1: they couldn't talk about Britney Spears. They also couldn't talk 369 00:16:38,704 --> 00:16:40,864 Speaker 1: about the condition she was living in or the work 370 00:16:40,944 --> 00:16:43,224 Speaker 1: she was being made to do. And that's why so 371 00:16:43,384 --> 00:16:45,424 Speaker 1: much of that stayed hidden for such a long amount 372 00:16:45,424 --> 00:16:47,784 Speaker 1: of time, is that no one could talk about it legally. 373 00:16:48,464 --> 00:16:50,904 Speaker 1: And then, like anything else in Hollywood, especially whant it's 374 00:16:50,904 --> 00:16:53,264 Speaker 1: to do with men, there are some really murky, quite 375 00:16:53,304 --> 00:16:56,784 Speaker 1: disgusting instances, not to tie them together, but there's so 376 00:16:56,904 --> 00:16:59,784 Speaker 1: many rumors there's nothing being proven again because of the 377 00:16:59,864 --> 00:17:02,504 Speaker 1: nda that someone like a Harry Styles, if you go 378 00:17:02,544 --> 00:17:04,064 Speaker 1: to have a one night stand with him, like on 379 00:17:04,104 --> 00:17:06,304 Speaker 1: the way in, you hand over your phone, which also 380 00:17:06,504 --> 00:17:09,224 Speaker 1: justin Bieber had people do. I kind of understand that though, 381 00:17:09,264 --> 00:17:10,824 Speaker 1: like you can't have someone coming in your home with 382 00:17:10,864 --> 00:17:12,984 Speaker 1: the phone if you don't know them, even if it's 383 00:17:12,984 --> 00:17:15,104 Speaker 1: a hook up, because just imagine the footage they could 384 00:17:15,104 --> 00:17:15,904 Speaker 1: get and where that could go. 385 00:17:16,024 --> 00:17:18,184 Speaker 2: But it's also like a safety thing, right, Like imagine 386 00:17:18,184 --> 00:17:20,944 Speaker 2: being like a young girl going to this massive mansion 387 00:17:21,064 --> 00:17:23,024 Speaker 2: and then you don't even have your phone on you exactly. 388 00:17:23,064 --> 00:17:25,304 Speaker 1: And it's also like most of their managers, like these 389 00:17:25,344 --> 00:17:27,744 Speaker 1: older men in like the music industry, who are like 390 00:17:27,744 --> 00:17:30,824 Speaker 1: give me your phone and also sign this paperwork before 391 00:17:30,864 --> 00:17:32,424 Speaker 1: you go in and you've got to think too. I mean, 392 00:17:32,464 --> 00:17:34,344 Speaker 1: I know we're kind of projecting a lot on this, 393 00:17:34,464 --> 00:17:36,424 Speaker 1: but just because we know like how these things work 394 00:17:36,464 --> 00:17:38,104 Speaker 1: a lot of the time, it's like you don't have 395 00:17:38,144 --> 00:17:40,384 Speaker 1: time to read through that and like check and balance, 396 00:17:40,424 --> 00:17:43,024 Speaker 1: and like I haven't heard any allegations about Harry styles 397 00:17:43,104 --> 00:17:44,984 Speaker 1: or anything like that, or even justin Bieber. In this case, 398 00:17:44,984 --> 00:17:47,264 Speaker 1: it's more so just like it's such a regimented thing 399 00:17:47,304 --> 00:17:50,144 Speaker 1: of like handover phone. This is the talk you get 400 00:17:50,184 --> 00:17:51,784 Speaker 1: from the manager before you even go in to have 401 00:17:51,824 --> 00:17:54,504 Speaker 1: the hookup, and then here's the NDA and then you're 402 00:17:54,544 --> 00:17:55,304 Speaker 1: allowed to go in. 403 00:17:55,344 --> 00:17:57,224 Speaker 2: And the NDA has like a lot of language that's 404 00:17:57,304 --> 00:17:59,624 Speaker 2: very like terms and conditions, like I have to look 405 00:17:59,704 --> 00:18:01,904 Speaker 2: up the meaning of every second word on this page. 406 00:18:02,024 --> 00:18:04,024 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. The thing is like you would want to 407 00:18:04,064 --> 00:18:05,984 Speaker 1: tell your friends about it. You can still get friends, 408 00:18:06,024 --> 00:18:08,184 Speaker 1: you just can't give a public interview, which in that 409 00:18:08,224 --> 00:18:10,184 Speaker 1: case I kind of agree with. It's just unfortunate that 410 00:18:10,184 --> 00:18:13,864 Speaker 1: you needed NDA. But someone who used NDAs for evil, 411 00:18:13,944 --> 00:18:16,824 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, is Charlie Sheen, because in twenty 412 00:18:16,984 --> 00:18:20,304 Speaker 1: eighteen it came out because he was HIV positive and 413 00:18:20,344 --> 00:18:23,144 Speaker 1: he had a lot of different sexual partners with unprotected 414 00:18:23,184 --> 00:18:26,184 Speaker 1: sex and hadn't told them about his condition. And then 415 00:18:26,304 --> 00:18:28,984 Speaker 1: when these women were trying to find out more information 416 00:18:29,224 --> 00:18:32,624 Speaker 1: for their own medical purposes and trying to hold him 417 00:18:32,624 --> 00:18:34,424 Speaker 1: accountable for this. And this is the thing that you 418 00:18:34,424 --> 00:18:37,104 Speaker 1: can override an NDA if you were coerced into it 419 00:18:37,184 --> 00:18:38,664 Speaker 1: or forced into it, which is what a lot of 420 00:18:38,664 --> 00:18:40,744 Speaker 1: these women came out and said happened to them. They 421 00:18:40,744 --> 00:18:43,584 Speaker 1: were forced to sign NDAs, and then that all came 422 00:18:43,624 --> 00:18:45,464 Speaker 1: out of a legal case later. So that's kind of the 423 00:18:45,584 --> 00:18:47,984 Speaker 1: murkier side of it, when your hand is forced and 424 00:18:48,024 --> 00:18:51,544 Speaker 1: then it stops you getting compensation getting medical treatment in 425 00:18:51,824 --> 00:18:54,184 Speaker 1: this instance because of an NDA. 426 00:18:54,704 --> 00:18:57,624 Speaker 2: It's just so wild how like a document can have 427 00:18:57,784 --> 00:19:01,584 Speaker 2: so much power to protect not only like celebrities from 428 00:19:01,624 --> 00:19:04,424 Speaker 2: their privacy, but also celebrities and like people of power 429 00:19:04,424 --> 00:19:07,424 Speaker 2: who are just genuinely doing bad things, yeah, and acknowledging 430 00:19:07,424 --> 00:19:09,304 Speaker 2: that they are doing bad things, but making sure it 431 00:19:09,304 --> 00:19:12,904 Speaker 2: doesn't ever become like public because they've gotten everyone to 432 00:19:12,984 --> 00:19:15,224 Speaker 2: agree that they haven't seen what they've seen. Got. 433 00:19:15,264 --> 00:19:16,944 Speaker 1: It's such a murky world, isn't it. And like, I 434 00:19:16,944 --> 00:19:18,904 Speaker 1: don't feel bad for famous, but I think, out of 435 00:19:18,944 --> 00:19:20,024 Speaker 1: all the people in the what I have to feel 436 00:19:20,024 --> 00:19:22,904 Speaker 1: bad for famous people who like wealthy and powerful and 437 00:19:22,944 --> 00:19:25,024 Speaker 1: in many cases living their dream jobs and not on 438 00:19:25,064 --> 00:19:27,344 Speaker 1: the list. But I do think there must be something 439 00:19:27,464 --> 00:19:30,384 Speaker 1: very just dehumanizing for them to like never be able 440 00:19:30,384 --> 00:19:33,184 Speaker 1: to walk into a room without knowing that someone has 441 00:19:33,224 --> 00:19:36,024 Speaker 1: walked ahead of you and got everyone to sign papers, 442 00:19:36,064 --> 00:19:38,224 Speaker 1: and that's before they've even met you. It makes you 443 00:19:38,264 --> 00:19:39,944 Speaker 1: think of this as such a rogue throwback. It makes 444 00:19:39,944 --> 00:19:42,064 Speaker 1: you think of when Hillary Duff was on Gossip Girl, 445 00:19:42,384 --> 00:19:44,144 Speaker 1: And do you know that at that episode when she 446 00:19:44,184 --> 00:19:47,624 Speaker 1: first starts going to college with Vanessa and then she 447 00:19:47,664 --> 00:19:49,704 Speaker 1: walks in because she's playing a famous actress, and she 448 00:19:49,744 --> 00:19:51,824 Speaker 1: walks into the dorm room and is like, is that 449 00:19:51,864 --> 00:19:54,704 Speaker 1: an NDA? And Vanessa's like, yeah, your manager gave them 450 00:19:54,704 --> 00:19:56,264 Speaker 1: out to ever on the floor and She's like, oh 451 00:19:56,304 --> 00:19:59,784 Speaker 1: my god, and she like crumples it up. Every time 452 00:19:59,824 --> 00:20:02,584 Speaker 1: I think of NDAs I think of I think of 453 00:20:02,624 --> 00:20:05,944 Speaker 1: Hillary Duff and Gossip Girl just being so sad that 454 00:20:06,024 --> 00:20:08,624 Speaker 1: her whole college life was ruined by the NDA. I'm 455 00:20:08,664 --> 00:20:13,184 Speaker 1: here and famous, but also like that's your first introduction 456 00:20:13,224 --> 00:20:15,304 Speaker 1: to every other girl who lives on your floor, But 457 00:20:15,384 --> 00:20:17,584 Speaker 1: I feel like, I'm sure celebrities who go to college 458 00:20:17,624 --> 00:20:18,584 Speaker 1: have to get people to do that. 459 00:20:18,504 --> 00:20:20,864 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I have a question for you, Okay, 460 00:20:20,984 --> 00:20:23,384 Speaker 2: do you think Taylor Swift has made her parents sign 461 00:20:23,424 --> 00:20:23,944 Speaker 2: an NDA. 462 00:20:24,704 --> 00:20:26,624 Speaker 1: No, I don't think she's made her parents sign an NDA, 463 00:20:26,664 --> 00:20:28,984 Speaker 1: but i'd say everyone else in the world. I mean, 464 00:20:29,024 --> 00:20:30,784 Speaker 1: it's hard to know, but I feel like, because she's 465 00:20:30,824 --> 00:20:33,424 Speaker 1: been in business with her parents for such a long time, 466 00:20:33,824 --> 00:20:36,784 Speaker 1: they're essentially like the Taylor Swift Machine is a family 467 00:20:36,864 --> 00:20:39,624 Speaker 1: business that her parents are very involved in, so I'm 468 00:20:39,664 --> 00:20:43,144 Speaker 1: sure between them they all have legal contracts. But I 469 00:20:43,144 --> 00:20:45,384 Speaker 1: don't know what india unless you just threw the NDA, 470 00:20:45,584 --> 00:20:47,144 Speaker 1: especially to like her dad, who did like a lot 471 00:20:47,184 --> 00:20:48,864 Speaker 1: of management and stuff for her and her mum too, 472 00:20:48,904 --> 00:20:51,624 Speaker 1: I guess that's not really riding. There's probably like if 473 00:20:51,624 --> 00:20:53,864 Speaker 1: you're signing like ten different documents, maybe there's an NDA 474 00:20:53,944 --> 00:20:55,984 Speaker 1: thrown in there. But like maybe when it's an intense 475 00:20:55,984 --> 00:20:58,464 Speaker 1: family business like that, it's not as kind of entrenched. 476 00:20:58,584 --> 00:21:00,904 Speaker 2: I'd make my parents sign an NDA. Oh really, yeah, 477 00:21:00,984 --> 00:21:03,704 Speaker 2: yeah they yeafir Yeah, I'm gonna get one for you. So, 478 00:21:03,824 --> 00:21:07,744 Speaker 2: if you're interested in reading the entire investigative piece by 479 00:21:07,744 --> 00:21:09,504 Speaker 2: the cart We will link that in our show notes. 480 00:21:09,824 --> 00:21:12,184 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 481 00:21:12,464 --> 00:21:16,304 Speaker 2: If you remember from Friday's episode, we briefly discussed the 482 00:21:16,344 --> 00:21:22,104 Speaker 2: Netflix show America's Sweetheart Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders. When I recommended that, 483 00:21:22,144 --> 00:21:24,384 Speaker 2: I watched the first three episodes, and then I watched 484 00:21:24,384 --> 00:21:28,224 Speaker 2: a lot more and I had some more thoughts which 485 00:21:28,224 --> 00:21:30,384 Speaker 2: I have written for Mama Mia. We will link that 486 00:21:30,464 --> 00:21:34,064 Speaker 2: piece in the show notes. Also, our daily news podcasts 487 00:21:34,064 --> 00:21:37,904 Speaker 2: A Quickie have covered the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders. Claire Murphy 488 00:21:37,944 --> 00:21:40,224 Speaker 2: did a bit of an investigation into the world of 489 00:21:40,344 --> 00:21:42,944 Speaker 2: cheerleading as a whole. We will link that episode in 490 00:21:42,984 --> 00:21:45,384 Speaker 2: our show notes as well. Otherwise, we will see you 491 00:21:45,464 --> 00:21:47,904 Speaker 2: back here at three pm tomorrow in your podcast speed 492 00:21:48,144 --> 00:21:49,104 Speaker 2: see ya fine 493 00:21:53,944 --> 00:21:54,064 Speaker 1: Lan