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Speaker 4: Welcome to the seas the Yay Podcast.

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Speaker 5: Busy and happy are not the same thing. We too

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Speaker 5: rarely question what makes the heart seeing. We work, then

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Speaker 5: there's more than one way. So this is a platform

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Speaker 5: Good, bad and ugly. The best and worst days will

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Speaker 5: bear all the facets of seizing your yay. I'm Sarah

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Speaker 5: Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned funentrepreneurs

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Speaker 3: and sometimes we forget to reflect on how far we've come,

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Speaker 3: especially organically, like through the brand, what we've been able

442
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Speaker 3: to do. It's incredible and it's amazing, and sometimes we

443
00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,160
Speaker 3: just need to stop and pat ourselves on the back,

444
00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,359
Speaker 3: and then we build that confidence up to be able

445
00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,199
Speaker 3: to drive forward and make those forward moves. So I

446
00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,000
Speaker 3: think I have the same kind of tactic both for

447
00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,200
Speaker 3: business and personal confidence as well.

448
00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's amazing, And I think there's also

449
00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,520
Speaker 5: an added layer for you step of having become a

450
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Speaker 5: mum in the last couple of years, as well as

451
00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,880
Speaker 5: a whole other layer of am I doing it right?

452
00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:04,960
Speaker 5: Have I got the balance right? It's not just have

453
00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:06,879
Speaker 5: I got the balance at work right? But then am

454
00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,040
Speaker 5: I doing you know, my mum role right? I know

455
00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,119
Speaker 5: I've heard you speak about that guilt quite a lot.

456
00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,600
Speaker 5: And then with the constant worry if I'm not doing

457
00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,439
Speaker 5: either one like to the extent that I have to,

458
00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,520
Speaker 5: and then looking at other people and how they're doing it.

459
00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,080
Speaker 5: How is that layer of motherhood kind of added to

460
00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,679
Speaker 5: your the confidence struggle, but then also overcoming it.

461
00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh my gosh, it's a whole other level. I

462
00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:28,040
Speaker 4: don't think I've ever.

463
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,600
Speaker 3: Questioned myself more in anything in life than in motherhood,

464
00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,720
Speaker 3: which is funny because I genuinely think that I was

465
00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,439
Speaker 3: like put on this planet to be a mum, and

466
00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,159
Speaker 3: I feel really really good when I'm with him and

467
00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,639
Speaker 3: when I am a mom, But that doesn't mean that

468
00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:43,920
Speaker 3: I don't question myself or what I'm doing with him

469
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:45,480
Speaker 3: like every day, or if I'm at work, like what

470
00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,080
Speaker 3: am I doing? So I think what I've learned is

471
00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,000
Speaker 3: no matter kind of how maternal you feel, or if

472
00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,800
Speaker 3: you think you want kids or you don't, I think

473
00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,600
Speaker 3: once you are a mom, and particularly if you want

474
00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,919
Speaker 3: to work as well and have paid work going on

475
00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,840
Speaker 3: as well on the side, it's hard. It's really hard

476
00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,640
Speaker 3: to know if you're doing the right thing, and it's

477
00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,000
Speaker 3: hard to find the balance. And I think for me,

478
00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,720
Speaker 3: it's just trying to find little things that can help

479
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,560
Speaker 3: me manage those times when I'm feeling extra guilty and

480
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,919
Speaker 3: maybe just sit back and question maybe why that might be.

481
00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,680
Speaker 3: So for example, you know, we've got a really big

482
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,639
Speaker 3: month coming up with the kick Tour, which is super exciting,

483
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,640
Speaker 3: meeting the community, and being able to be with every

484
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,000
Speaker 3: person is honestly one of the best things that we

485
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,560
Speaker 3: get to do with Kick, and so I'm so looking

486
00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,679
Speaker 3: forward to it, but I also know that it means

487
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 3: the weekends I won't be with Harvey, and for me,

488
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,359
Speaker 3: those weekends with Harvey is when I can like refill

489
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 3: out my cup, you know, feel really energized for them

490
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 3: the work week ahead, and so I know next month

491
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,520
Speaker 3: is probably going to be a bit tough, but I'm

492
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 3: okay with that because I've been able to kind of

493
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,679
Speaker 3: sort out other things. For example, we just had a

494
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 3: long weekend and I really tried to soak up that

495
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:49,639
Speaker 3: time and like make the.

496
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Speaker 4: Most of that time. I've got a holiday coming.

497
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 3: Up, a short one in November, which I've got to

498
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 3: look forward to, just like little things that I know

499
00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 3: will help me get through those tougher times.

500
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Speaker 4: And that's just one example.

501
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 3: But I just think that if anyone's listening and they're

502
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Speaker 3: like questioning the guilt around being a mom or being

503
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 3: a parent and working, It's like people have messaged me

504
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,239
Speaker 3: who have like fourteen year old kids and said it

505
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 3: never really goes away, and You're like, oh, yeah, yeah,

506
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 3: and it goes like for parents who are this day

507
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 3: at home parent, they have the same kind of questions

508
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 3: and guilts and what if thoughts, And I just think

509
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,719
Speaker 3: that no matter what path you're on, like we're all

510
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 3: trying to balance something. We're all trying to fill our

511
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,920
Speaker 3: you know, family time cups up or friend time cups

512
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,159
Speaker 3: up at the same time as work and study and

513
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 3: everything else. We're trying to better ourselves. So yes, I'm

514
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,439
Speaker 3: a mum, but like it's all relative to every like

515
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 3: whatever you're going through. So I think just try and

516
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 3: trying to make time for little things that I know

517
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 3: we're going to fill out my cup to push those

518
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 3: tougher times.

519
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,880
Speaker 5: I think the resounding message in both personal and business

520
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,239
Speaker 5: that is coming across here, but also comes across in

521
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 5: the whole of CCA is as a philosophy on life,

522
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,679
Speaker 5: is the idea that like that doubt or questioning yourself

523
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 5: or questioning whether you're doing the right thing, it's actually

524
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 5: never really meant to go away. I think that's the

525
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 5: thing I've It's actually helped me so much to embrace that,

526
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 5: to be like, ah, I'm never meant to get to

527
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 5: that unattainable level of confidence where I'm just sure, like

528
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 5: there's some decisions I'm absolutely sure are the right one,

529
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 5: but very rarely. And the more you embrace the fact

530
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,120
Speaker 5: that questioning it actually just means that you're really invested.

531
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 5: It means that you're constantly trying to learn and grow.

532
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,119
Speaker 5: It's a good thing to sort of question where you're at,

533
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 5: as long as you don't let it topple you and

534
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 5: you have those fill the cup moments as well.

535
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Speaker 4: Another area where I have thoroughly.

536
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 5: Loved following you too in your journeys is that, obviously

537
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,640
Speaker 5: having been married since the December twenty eighteen episode, it's

538
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,159
Speaker 5: been like there's been COVID, there's been One of the

539
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 5: main things that I said to everyone in that time

540
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 5: is that everyone's like making babies and doing all the things,

541
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Speaker 5: And I'm like, I have never been less sexually attractive

542
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,959
Speaker 5: in my life than I was during COVID.

543
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 4: I like, it just got real feral. So you you

544
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 4: were literally you were with your loved one.

545
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 2: So I was going dog to my house.

546
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Speaker 1: But I don't believe we're meant to spend just like

547
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven with one person, and you have

548
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: no outlet, and you're so angry at the world.

549
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 4: A shower like it's just not a hot time.

550
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 3: No, I was very very grateful for having two TVs

551
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 3: at that point.

552
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 4: Every night we were in a TV.

553
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Speaker 1: You have nothing to talk about because you know you

554
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: get home, you can't. Now you can check on your day,

555
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: you knew exactly what they did and they, like in

556
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: my case, tells some sweak on the phone.

557
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 2: Really loud all day and me say, I want to

558
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 2: know what he did in the day.

559
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 4: Because I already had it.

560
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 5: It really highlights those things about your partner that you

561
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 5: didn't otherwise need to know about. I feel like we

562
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 5: will be married for a simile amount of time and

563
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 5: it's not that long, but I feel like COVID made

564
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 5: it like we've been married twenty years.

565
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 4: Like just pushed forward to that time.

566
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 5: So one of the things you guys have been doing

567
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 5: on kickpod is a thirty day intimacy challenge.

568
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Speaker 2: Well wait, I did not do it.

569
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 5: Is amazing, but just generally acknowledging that in your personal lives,

570
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 5: one thing that's happened is marriage, but then also being

571
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 5: propelled forward into like wow, like we've had some pretty

572
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 5: un sexy times and how do you get that back?

573
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 5: So tell us about that because I think that's also

574
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 5: like maybe not as on brand for our normal well

575
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 5: being discussions, but actually sexual health is a really big

576
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 5: part of connection and intimacy and not really spoken about

577
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 5: that much.

578
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 4: No, no, totally, and you can take your thank you.

579
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 4: So it was Josh and I who completed the thirty

580
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 4: day into MESA. I could not be bothered.

581
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: No, we did it.

582
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Speaker 1: We went away to NUSA and we did it. One

583
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: day was no, no at twelve am in the middle

584
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Speaker 1: of the night, so that day was lost. You know,

585
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: we're not going to like no that. And then we

586
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: had Saturday Sunday. We left Monday. Monday didn't count because

587
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: we were traveling home, so Saturday Sunday.

588
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Speaker 4: So we did it for two days, two holidays.

589
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 3: Just bring that up is because when she was saying no,

590
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Speaker 3: I can't do the thirty day challenge, I knew her

591
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 3: holiday was coming up, and I was.

592
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 4: Like, just you know what, maybe just do a little

593
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:13,479
Speaker 4: mini challenge.

594
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, just two days in a row. And day three

595
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 5: She's like I'm out.

596
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I know I do want to say, like,

597
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 3: for me, I am not like a I don't have

598
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 3: a super high libido. I'm not a like super sexual

599
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 3: being and like, all power to people who are. I

600
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 3: follow quite a lot of people who are really open

601
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 3: about their sexuality and everything, and I find it quite fascinating.

602
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 3: But also at times I've felt not pressured at all,

603
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 3: Like it's not like Josh has ever kind of pressured

604
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 3: me to be a certain way or anything, but I

605
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 3: have felt like I've questioned my libido at times, like

606
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 3: there's something wrong with me because I see all these

607
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 3: women who are really empowered to talk about their sex

608
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 3: lives and they're like quite active, and which is amazing.

609
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 3: I'm glad that that conversation is becoming less taboo. But

610
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 3: at the same time, I kind of was like, what

611
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 3: does that mean, I've got no sexually but so I

612
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 3: think so I just wanted to put that first because

613
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: I think when the sex challenge just started getting talking about,

614
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 3: like everyone was like, oh, you know, I couldn't do that,

615
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 3: I had the same thoughts.

616
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 4: I really didn't think I could do it.

617
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 3: But what I did notice in our relationship was I

618
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 3: suppose it's definitely as parents like you actually and any

619
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 3: any busy couple, you need to schedule in time to

620
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 3: make that time for each other because if you live

621
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 3: a busy life, Like you get to the end of

622
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 3: the day and you just can't be bothered. You're tired

623
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 3: and you want to go to bed. And I value

624
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 3: sleep so much now because I don't really get a

625
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 3: lot of it, So it's.

626
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 4: Like really important when I'm in bed, I want to

627
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 4: go to bed.

628
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 3: But what I'd noticed is on the days that we

629
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 3: were intimate, like the mood was just so much better.

630
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 4: I was nicer, like he would like, We're just nicer

631
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 4: and a little bit more friendly.

632
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 3: It's like, if you know that you want to get lucky, Lauria,

633
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 3: You've told this story before, Like, if you know that

634
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 3: you want to possibly be intimate, you're not going to

635
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 3: like walk in the house from having a hard day

636
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 3: at work and really reflect all that energy onto your partner.

637
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 4: Better person, you just be a better version of yourself.

638
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 3: And so for Josh and I, it was purely just

639
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: to get that connection and that one on one time

640
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 3: because we were really kind of missing that one on

641
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 3: one time.

642
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 4: We were we were just parents, and we weren't really

643
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 4: like parents and housemates.

644
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, their business partners in some cases, which is just

645
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 5: it's a lot of not being sexy.

646
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 3: Really, I say like, you know, since the challenge ended,

647
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: which has been weeks since, you know, it's not like

648
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 3: we've we now have sex every day. We're still only

649
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 3: having sex like maybe once or twice a week. But

650
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 3: when I say only, when I say only, I know

651
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 3: everyone's different in that. So I don't want anyone to

652
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 3: feel like that's.

653
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 4: That's an only. I feel like some people listening a

654
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 4: lot to.

655
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 3: What I mean by that is we didn't finish the

656
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: challenge and now we have sex every day like it's

657
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: the norm.

658
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 4: Absolutely not.

659
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 3: But I think what it's made us make sure is

660
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: that we still do make time for intimate moments or

661
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 3: alone time, which has been nice.

662
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's fascinating. There's a couple of things on that

663
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 5: as well. I think it's a lot of facts and

664
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 5: information coming out that explain a lot of things, but

665
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 5: that when the conversation was a nose open, we might

666
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 5: not have had access to those facts that then make

667
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 5: you feel like there's something wrong with you. Like you mentioned,

668
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 5: you're questioning yourself, and it's interesting that you were saying

669
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 5: yellow Bido isn't that high because I feel like when

670
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 5: you enter your thirties, you'll be really surprised that your

671
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 5: body just goes into this completely different because I found

672
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 5: my twenties was like that as well, and in my thirties,

673
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 5: I'm like disgusting, Like I don't even know what's happening.

674
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 5: But it's because women peak in their thirties between thirty

675
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 5: and thirty five is like biologically, because your body is.

676
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 4: Like babies, babies, baby.

677
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 5: It literally peaks and men peak in like around eighteen nineteen,

678
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 5: which I think is the most unfair thing in nature.

679
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 5: Why would you make us peak at such different times.

680
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 5: But once you know that, I feel like you don't

681
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 5: feel as weird if in your twenties you're not kind

682
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 5: of ready to go, Like part of being, you know,

683
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 5: entering your thirties is that you do feel a lot

684
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 5: more comfortent in your body. You do kind of like

685
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 5: go of a lot about your hang ups, you do

686
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 5: become a bit more of a woman, and like there

687
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 5: is this weird thing that happens biologically, And yeah, it

688
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 5: was just really interesting that I was like, but why

689
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 5: is that not happening to Nick at the same time,

690
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 5: And it's like, oh, well, he's had his liken' about anything.

691
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 4: I'm not at the same time, and I'm like why

692
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 4: is this that is interesting?

693
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 3: That is interesting, And I just think that it's in general,

694
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: it's just really important that both sides of the spectrum,

695
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 3: whether you like really want it all the time or

696
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 3: you're just not interested at all, is totally okay as

697
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 3: long as it's an open conversation with your partner that

698
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 3: you have a relationship with, because it is important for

699
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 3: some people, and then other people it's it's not like

700
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 3: it's it's not something that is up there, and they're

701
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: in their importance in their relationship and there's other ways

702
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: that they can build that connection and everything. So I

703
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 3: think as long as you and your partner are okay

704
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 3: with your situation, it's a matters.

705
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 4: It's not what anyone else is doing.

706
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 5: And no one's being honest about their numbers most of

707
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 5: the time.

708
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 4: My god, it's always lay on it.

709
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 5: But I also think that the important thing with women,

710
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 5: and I'm so glad you mentioned the scheduling thing, is

711
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 5: that even though it's that sounds kind of sterile, I

712
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 5: think a lot of the time women mistake they think

713
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 5: they don't have libido, but actually they're brain because our

714
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 5: brains are so full and like we often can't orgasm

715
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 5: if we're distructed or stressed. I feel like men don't

716
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 5: have that problem, so they can go from like zero

717
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 5: to hero in like two seconds, whereas if we're like,

718
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 5: if our brain's destructed, there is absolutely no way we're.

719
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 4: Even going to grow.

720
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: We feel like I was about to say that because

721
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: it's something that Dalton and I have to always communicate

722
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: about because I think I think that's something I struggle,

723
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: like when I'm very stressed, which is probably more often

724
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: than not, I would say Dalton is he's also under

725
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: a lot of stress, but when he's stressed, he's like,

726
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: I want to have sex, and we have to speak

727
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: about it because I'm like, honey, you don't understand, Like

728
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: when I am highly stressed, like my cortisol levels are high,

729
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, just you know, you know, the last thing

730
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: I feel like is X. Like honestly, I'd rather like

731
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: put my hand in a blend out, you.

732
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 4: Know, I would rather.

733
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: Right now no environment like that.

734
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 5: But you're not going to get enjoyment out of it,

735
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 5: So you're going to be municate that because it's like

736
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 5: you use it as a different thing to me, like

737
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 5: we're in this different You're right, because when as women

738
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 5: when our minds are full, like.

739
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: It's just you just don't feel like it, and it's

740
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: like sometimes and it's like but also I have to remember,

741
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: like if I'm always stressed and like, can't just not

742
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: have sex ever, so I.

743
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 4: Need need it finds, you know, just like I'm trying, but.

744
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: I'm card balanced. But I think it's just like we

745
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: have to communicate because we've had this down and I be.

746
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: Like you, I know you think you're putting yourself in

747
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: my shoes, but we actually respond very differently when my stressed,

748
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: So like, remember.

749
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 4: That you know what I think it is. Men don't

750
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 4: need full play and for.

751
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: Women it's not even getting in the headspace.

752
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 3: Like if he ran your bath, did a few candles

753
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 3: and was like, I know you just trying to get

754
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 3: through this email. Make sure that's the last one, and

755
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 3: then go hop in the bath. I'm gonna make you dinner.

756
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 4: Then after that email, you probably want to have sex

757
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 4: with him.

758
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 5: So this actually leads really nice straight which he sometimes

759
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 5: dot you'd be like, no.

760
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 4: I'm just not interested, I'd like, but that.

761
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 5: Leads really nicely to the next question, which was about TikTok,

762
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 5: which has also come into our lives since the last

763
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 5: episode in twenty eighteen that I was watching this video

764
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 5: the other day. I think it's like being one of

765
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 5: the really big viral videos of a woman explaining that

766
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 5: for play for women actually starts at the like the

767
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 5: minute you wake up. It's not a sexual thing. It's

768
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 5: like the small gestures throughout the day of connection and

769
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 5: like gentle touch and men don't even need for play,

770
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 5: but we actually need so much like planting of the seeds.

771
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 4: Throughout the day.

772
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 5: And I feel like, once you understand yourself, it's so

773
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 5: much easier to work around it. Whereas when two couples

774
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 5: with no information about each other's brains.

775
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 4: I'm trying to make it work, it's a disaster.

776
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 5: So these conversations like even you, Laura talking about the

777
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 5: Brownie point system things, I'm like all of us resonating

778
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 5: with that. It suddenly makes it all feel normal and

779
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 5: not weird that we all have these things that.

780
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 4: We did accept the people.

781
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: I just want to say for anyone, because there were

782
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: people that were like, well, I would cheat on you

783
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: if I, like if I were human.

784
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: Obviously this is a controlling relationship and like you're taking

785
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: vanity all this stuff and I just want to say

786
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: Dolson was having If I was actually controlling and being

787
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: of evil, I obviously wouldn't joke about it or talent you.

788
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: But Internet just because sometimes especially in TikTok, because sometimes

789
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: videos can go to that you don't want people to

790
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: see it, and they come with their feedback.

791
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 5: So this brownie points system which you want to just

792
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 5: give people a quick run out.

793
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,239
Speaker 1: So it's when you because okay, it actually ties very

794
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: well into it. We just said because obviously often men

795
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: have a high libido, well it depends on the age,

796
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: but also can have sex, strang stress, like all those things.

797
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: Whereas so if it's been a while and I'm like

798
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 2: keep saying no, and I feel bad because I'm like, oh,

799
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: you've got really.

800
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 4: Ship really enough time, Like you're letting them.

801
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: Down, you just like because then for them also it's

802
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: like oh my god, they're like, am mine, are you

803
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: not attracted to me?

804
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: It's like, oh my god, No, it's not about that.

805
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: It's like it's too much in my brain.

806
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 4: I'm not attracted to anything exactly, and.

807
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: So you don't want that.

808
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: So sometimes what I do is when I know that

809
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: Dolson's really tired or like like he's gonna saw something.

810
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: Usually that now, but now because you know, it's like I.

811
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,479
Speaker 4: Mean, he's always not always it doesn't work.

812
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: But if we've like eaten a very big dinner and

813
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,959
Speaker 1: we're so full and tired, I'll like try a little

814
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: bit knowing that he I've got no intention, knowing that

815
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: he and he will say so.

816
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 4: Then I get a brownie point next.

817
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 2: Time he drives.

818
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 4: We've all done it.

819
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 5: We've all done anyone who is commenting on that video

820
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 5: not acknowledging that they've done.

821
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 4: But it hasn't worked out for me because no, no,

822
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 4: I've definitely had a know before.

823
00:34:54,120 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw stomach like like like.

824
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 4: He's definitely said no to me in the past.

825
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 3: But I think when he does say no, that's when

826
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, this is what it feels like.

827
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 4: Shit, Oh my gosh.

828
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 5: Okay, So talk has obviously become a really big part

829
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 5: of the universe since our last episode. You guys have

830
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 5: been amazing on it, having so much fun, particularly the

831
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 5: launch of dance Cardio.

832
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 4: I felt like that was just a wonderful.

833
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 5: Place to explore what we could do with dance cardio classes.

834
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 5: What are you guys consuming, What have been your like

835
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 5: favorite parts of it. I feel like it's such a

836
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 5: fun place to be, Like it's weird, it's such a

837
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 5: time LII style, but it's so much fun. Is there

838
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 5: anything like quirky that you've learnt or people that you

839
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 5: followed that have changed your life?

840
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 4: Like it's a whole new thing. I mean it really

841
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 4: depends on the algorithm each week, really, but when it

842
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 4: gets it from.

843
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 3: I love spending time on there, Like I've founds on

844
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 3: there that brings so much joy into my day to

845
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 3: day scrolling. To be honest, that are just funny and

846
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 3: just don't take it. Seems that they don't take it

847
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 3: too seriously and that they are creative, but it doesn't

848
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 3: have to be aesthetically perfect, and.

849
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 4: I just feel like it's such a fun space.

850
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, when it doesn't really quite pick up the

851
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 3: correct algorithm, or you watch one video that's a little

852
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 3: off brand for you and then suddenly your feed's full

853
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 3: of it, that can be a bit off putting. But no,

854
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: more often than not, I have a lot of fun

855
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 3: on TikTok. I do really like it, but it's addictive.

856
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 3: It's addictive.

857
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I go down a lot of wormholes. Ye, Like

858
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 5: I end up watching like I don't know, foot mushroom

859
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 5: like something like I'll just end up down the weirdest places.

860
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 5: But then I'm like, no, I have to note the

861
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 5: end of this story. Like I'll jump from people's pages

862
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 5: who have tagged each other, and then like seven hours later,

863
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 5: I'm like, shit, I'm intimately acquainted with like this textan

864
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 5: couple's whole life story and it's ten pm.

865
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to think my watching is pre random.

866
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 2: I've got this is one.

867
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: It's the I don't I do not even I think

868
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: it's a lady in Hong Kong. I actually don't know.

869
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: And it's I find organizational video. I think that's how

870
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: we got into my page, but in organizational video game.

871
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 2: I love organizational videos.

872
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: But it's it's these this video where I think I

873
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: believe that they make the mess on purpose and then

874
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: clean it up for the thing. But it's like and

875
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: I think it's a joke, but I actually don't know.

876
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: It's like what I have to do with my husband.

877
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: My husband is coming home in five minutes, and it's

878
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: this lady running.

879
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: But they have all of this.

880
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: I think I believe it's in Hong Kong. Like the

881
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: contraptions that they have in the house Japan. Maybe it's

882
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: Japan to like clean the shoes when they come in,

883
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: like all they've got like a literal machine to do

884
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: every like, but you just have to do it's still manual.

885
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: It's just like, oh my god, whathient efficient? But also

886
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm like unnecessary. Also then it's like they say,

887
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: my husband's coming home in five minutes, and they like film.

888
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: And I think some of the things, like the vacuuming

889
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: of things that are on.

890
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: The couch, it's like a on the couch, like that's

891
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: just for satisfying video content. And then I'm also like,

892
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: you couldn't have done this in five minutes because they

893
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: also cook like five course dinner, Like I love how

894
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: you so deeply like this is, but it's really on

895
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: my feet. There's just a lot of amazing organizational things

896
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: in these anyways. So that's that's one thing. And then

897
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: oh my god, the other day it was actually do

898
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: because Dlson. It's really funny. He hates social media, well,

899
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: not hates, just he doesn't need it for his job,

900
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: and he doesn't he doesn't use it obviously as much

901
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: as I do. And I think too, because a lot

902
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: of my weekends are spent, like a lot of it,

903
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm creating content, which he like, it's a bit of

904
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: a pain point because he wants to spend time and

905
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: then I'm like, oh, I have to create this content.

906
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: Then it's like, well I hate social media. I'm like, okay,

907
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: well it's my job.

908
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 4: It's a husband he has to compete with exactly.

909
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: So when I'm scrolling at Instagram, he's like, get off it.

910
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: But then he now asks us every night can we

911
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: watch serotonin boosting TikTok videos? But it's mainly just golden

912
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: retrieve content, which is so the best part of the Internet, gorgeous,

913
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: and one back content like today I haven't seen it.

914
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 4: It's just one back content. Cute. They're just cute.

915
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 5: It's just a little womb he's doing a little wattle

916
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 5: with their little bums. And then like there's this one

917
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 5: that I fasted on CZA yesterday with just this baby

918
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 5: wombat trying to follow his mum and he kept like

919
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 5: rolling down the hill but he's like.

920
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 4: A little bowl, so he just rolls. It's so cute.

921
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 4: Like there's.

922
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 5: Otters utter content holding hands while they fall asleep, like

923
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 5: just animal content. It's animal content, animal content. There's so

924
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 5: much wholesome stuff, like some of the pages like Upworthy

925
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 5: in good News movement that have like the beautiful stories

926
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 5: of male men who like I don't know, make regular

927
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 5: visits to children who can't go to school, or like,

928
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 5: I don't know, there's just some beautiful, beautiful stuff on there.

929
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 5: I feel like if you need serotonin and you go

930
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 5: to make sure that that.

931
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: Is your alcohilm.

932
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: Because the other day on Dalton's phone there was it

933
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: was a it was a video of a missile going off.

934
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 2: Oh no, stop it, and I was like, oh.

935
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: My god, said, I'm like adults in scroll, let's get

936
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 1: this off the page.

937
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 2: I don't want to think ansum. Yeah, but that was

938
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: not wholesome.

939
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 5: It also reflects my really weird combination of interest, like

940
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 5: sometimes when I get stuff back and I'm like, oh, that

941
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 5: was totally my fault, Like like I get some murder

942
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 5: podcast thing coming up and I'm like, oh, I mean

943
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 5: it did do it right. It's not what I want

944
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 5: right now, but that was one hundred percent my fault.

945
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,959
Speaker 5: So it's like golden retrievers matter beauty like.

946
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 4: And I think it's one of those things.

947
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 3: I think for us, because you know, Instagram was a

948
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: huge part of us launching Kick and launching our business

949
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: in general, and even our own personal brands, I think

950
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 3: we can really appreciate these social media platforms for what

951
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 3: they are. And I think with TikTok, even with Kick

952
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: for example, like at first, we were a little hesitant

953
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 3: because we just didn't know how to do it for

954
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 3: a brand.

955
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 4: Like I've only ever.

956
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 3: Really seen creators just be themselves and like have fun

957
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 3: on there. So when Kick first launched onto the platform,

958
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 3: it was really just me doing all the random TikTok

959
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 3: dances and covid and then we kind of learned and

960
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 3: picked up like how you can actually, you know, use

961
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 3: it as a business page and like show what you

962
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 3: provide as a brand and everything like that.

963
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 4: But at first, yeah, we were a little bit like, oh, well,

964
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 4: I don't know what to do with this.

965
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 3: And then we were reminded of all the businesses from

966
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 3: when we were first starting out on Instagram, the amount

967
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 3: of like cafes or all these places, and the owners

968
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 3: would be like.

969
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 4: Oh, we're not on Instagram.

970
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 3: We're not going to get on Instagram, and we were like, what,

971
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 3: what do you mean, you need to be honest, Like

972
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 3: every brand needs to be on Instagram, and so we

973
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 3: just want to make sure that we are learning and

974
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 3: going with these new platforms. And I really like that

975
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 3: they I mean, Instagram's trying to do it all. Let's

976
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 3: you know, expose the ut But I do really appreciate

977
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 3: the differences and things like be real versus TikTok, versus

978
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 3: YouTube versus Facebook, and yes, as I said, Instagram's kind

979
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 3: of really trying to do them all, and you know,

980
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 3: we'll see where that goes.

981
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 4: But like I just I actually really appreciate that.

982
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 3: I know that if I want to watch longer form videos,

983
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: I'll go to YouTube. If I want to like scroll

984
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 3: and have a bit of a laugh when you algorithm.

985
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 4: Suits, I'll go to tic took.

986
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 3: And if I want to see esthetically pleasing or like

987
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 3: catch up with my friends stuff, I'll go on to Instagram.

988
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 4: And I think, I I'm liking being Yeah.

989
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we're just trying to have fun with it

990
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 3: as a brand and also get our message out there

991
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 3: because we've obviously realized the kind of reach that can

992
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 3: happen on TikTok.

993
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 4: It's very powerful.

994
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is it's like I've been kind of using

995
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 5: it as a search engine a little bit recently, which

996
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 5: I know is something that creators on it are hating.

997
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 5: But you know, when you want to learn like why

998
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 5: your like concealer is creasing in your eye fold or something,

999
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 5: and like you google it and you're like, fuck, I

1000
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 5: don't want to watch like a forty five minute tutorial totally.

1001
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 5: You just I want thirty seconds of someone just showing me, Like,

1002
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 5: I don't want a list of things I need to

1003
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 5: know exactly where you Like, I've learned so much tracks,

1004
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 5: Oh my god, and like just.

1005
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 4: That kind of thing.

1006
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, when you get to see a real

1007
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 5: person putting it on real skin and real light, like

1008
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 5: I love.

1009
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 4: And that's what I mean.

1010
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: They've just adjusted all their SEO now captions you can

1011
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: now go up to twenty two hundred characters, and it's

1012
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: because people are using TikTok as a search and education,

1013
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: so they're trying to increase their captions. Yeah, so then

1014
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: you can put more like keywords in there for people

1015
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: to search.

1016
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 4: That a lot of using it for that.

1017
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 5: It's so many like life hacks, like gardening and like

1018
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 5: growing a vegie patch, like you can literally learn how

1019
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 5: to do an it. I feel like it's a lazy

1020
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 5: person's YouTube or the impatient person person YouTube. Ye. Well,

1021
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 5: one of the things you guys have been using it

1022
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 5: for a lot is also showing snippets of the podcast.

1023
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 5: I feel like that's a really you know, it's a

1024
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 5: really great way to add another element to audio, which

1025
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 5: now that we love the visual, it's like, I don't know,

1026
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 5: I love seeing you guys laugh and seeing your facial

1027
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 5: expressions when you're going through things. And the podcast has

1028
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 5: now been around for how many years?

1029
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 4: Three?

1030
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 2: Three years, three and a half maybe three and a half. Yeah,

1031
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: so wow.

1032
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 5: So one of my other questions was between our last

1033
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,959
Speaker 5: catch up and now, have there been any episodes that.

1034
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 4: Have really stuck with you for.

1035
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 5: A particular reason or that anyone in the neighborhood might

1036
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 5: like to go and binge. We've had an unexpected little break,

1037
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 5: So I'm.

1038
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 4: Like, what can I feel? Where should they go and listen?

1039
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 5: Has there been anything that you know, you guys have

1040
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 5: just it's really moved you.

1041
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 4: Some you know, some just stick out.

1042
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: Yes, So I would say we actually had this conversation

1043
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: if you maybe about am I don't know you know

1044
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: when you just can't.

1045
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 2: I think it was a month bit quick, it's probably

1046
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: to you, but yeah, seven days. But I think some of.

1047
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: Them that we've had that really powerful. The conversation that

1048
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: we had with Denny Todorovich.

1049
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: They're amazing, and that was a really really powerful conversation.

1050
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: I learned a lot in that and yeah, it was

1051
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: that was I really really loved talking to them.

1052
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 2: That was that was great. Kath Ebbs. So we've had

1053
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 2: kath on now twice.

1054
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: Both conversations were fantastic that I mean, the first time

1055
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: we had her own is when we really had that

1056
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: connection with them, and then from there we became like

1057
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: we then chatted about Kath coming on as a kick training,

1058
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: so that was really special, I think.

1059
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: And then also the one you have with m Kerry.

1060
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, it's amazing.

1061
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 4: So that was really special having on.

1062
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: And it was funny because when she came on offline,

1063
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 3: she told me about the book, and ever since she

1064
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 3: told me that she was writing a book, I was like,

1065
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 3: oh my god, I need to read this and it's

1066
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 3: really great for anyone's listening. The book's amazing. It's called

1067
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 3: The Girl who Fell from the Sky, but that conversation

1068
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 3: was cool. Her her story is so interesting, but also

1069
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 3: just her resilience. It's really interesting to hear her talk.

1070
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, Like. Another one that stands out is Lisa Wilkinson.

1071
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 3: I think that was a bit of a pinchery moment

1072
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 3: for the boast of them.

1073
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 1: I know, and I'm confident the way that that episode

1074
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: actually it was obviously amazing to interview her, but the

1075
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: messages that she came, like that she put for on

1076
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: that podcast and her story and it was very like,

1077
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, when you listen to an episode, you're like,

1078
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: I can take tangible things away from this end of them,

1079
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: Like I feel like, like, obviously Lisa's is like a professional,

1080
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: like she knows Hannah put the golden nuggets in you.

1081
00:45:51,000 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: Sarah Sarah's material kick especially if you'd love Sarah obviously,

1082
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: if you're listening, you'd love to say.

1083
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 4: That's number one.

1084
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 5: Oh, that's really kind you guys. I had so much

1085
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 5: fun doing that episode. But also Steph has started doing

1086
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 5: kick Bump episodes on the show, which has obviously been

1087
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 5: a whole new world to explore and whole new conversations

1088
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 5: and facets of your experience as a working mum. And

1089
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 5: speaking to other moms about their experience. Are there any

1090
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 5: of those episodes that you've found really moving?

1091
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I find them all. It's kind of

1092
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 3: selfish of me, but it's the practical safest place for

1093
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 3: me to vent about all things motherhood and like vent

1094
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 3: about Harvey because I know that the people listening are

1095
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: expecting that. So it's not like like I felt like

1096
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: I can obviously touch on Harvey. He's huge hard my life,

1097
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 3: so I can still talk on motherhood, you know, in

1098
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 3: our kick podchats with laws. But I just felt like

1099
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 3: I would love a space where I could kind of

1100
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 3: just go wild with anything that was coming up or

1101
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 3: things that I was learning about myself or motherhood in general,

1102
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 3: and obviously have guests on and having credible conversations. I

1103
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 3: think one that was quite special was when we had

1104
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 3: Mine Hope on and you know, she shared a first story,

1105
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 3: which was not in the plan, Like I hadn't even

1106
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 3: put that on there because she's quite a private person.

1107
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 3: So when she shared her birth story, I just kind

1108
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 3: of sat back and was.

1109
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 4: Like, amazing, do I a great? So that was quite special.

1110
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 3: And I've also had Sophie Walker, who is the host

1111
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 3: of Australian birth story. And that was quite because, like

1112
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 3: I learned so much from her podcast prior to having

1113
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 3: Harvey and really really loved listening to her episodes and

1114
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 3: all the different guests she had on you know.

1115
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 4: A wide wide range of births and how they can go.

1116
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 3: So it was quite cool to get to sit down

1117
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 3: with her because I just felt like she'd helped me

1118
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 3: so much through my own kind of journey.

1119
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 4: It was just exciting to have her on.

1120
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: But I also, as I said, there's even a recent

1121
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 3: one where I literally was just on talking with our

1122
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 3: producer Mandy about you know, being a working mum and

1123
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 3: stuff like that.

1124
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 4: As I said, I think just being to have.

1125
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: The space where I feel like the community listening in

1126
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 3: a safe one where I can just say how I'm

1127
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 3: genuinely feeling and not feel like going to I mean,

1128
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 3: I'm still gonna cop judgment that happens, but like I

1129
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 3: just feel safe to really express myself. And I think

1130
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 3: that's the thing that we've loved so much about having

1131
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 3: the Kickpot over the time, Like there's only so much

1132
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 3: you can express yourself on things.

1133
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 4: Like Instagram and everything.

1134
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 3: I think when you have a platform, you can just

1135
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 3: sit and talk and especially as mates, like we can

1136
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 3: be really real with one another and to be able

1137
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 3: to share that.

1138
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 4: Is really special.

1139
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 3: But I think it's interesting that you brought up the

1140
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 3: video thing because ever since we did the video snippets, I.

1141
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 4: Mean, there's a whole bunch of other things as well.

1142
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 3: Obviously we've partnered with Listener and that has helped so

1143
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 3: much with outreach, But I think there.

1144
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 4: Was a lot of people who didn't even realize that.

1145
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 3: We had a weekly podcast, like until we started sharing

1146
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 3: these snippets, and a lot of people who maybe wouldn't

1147
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 3: have maybe knew about it, but wouldn't have thought that

1148
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 3: like what we were going to cover was going to

1149
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: be their thing, and then they've seen a snippet and

1150
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 3: been like, actually, you know what, I do want to listen.

1151
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: So it is interesting how we all consume content differently.

1152
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 3: But I do think the video it is special being

1153
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 3: able to kind of see We've had people reach out

1154
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 3: and be like, where can we watch the whole episode?

1155
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 4: It's not anywhere.

1156
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 5: It is interesting too, how I feel like one of

1157
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 5: the best parts of the podcast, Like, obviously a huge

1158
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 5: part of it is sharing the conversations with your community

1159
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 5: and giving people access to these conversations that they might

1160
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 5: not otherwise have access to, particularly with guests like Lisa

1161
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 5: or people who don't get to hear the behind the

1162
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 5: scenes from as much. But it really is like a

1163
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 5: selfish exercise in that I feel like I realize so

1164
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 5: many things. I have big revelations or big aha moments

1165
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 5: through just talking about stuff, Like even the fact that

1166
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 5: we've had these chats at milestone times where you can

1167
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 5: look back and compare where you've come from, Like I

1168
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 5: don't feel like we make time for those deeper reflections

1169
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 5: just in normal life, I wouldn't sit down with you

1170
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 5: guys for an hour and just chat about where we've been.

1171
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 4: And what's changed. True, And it's just a really lovely.

1172
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 5: Thing that the fact that it's recorded and other people

1173
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 5: can benefit from it is a huge bonus.

1174
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 4: But for me alone, every time I do.

1175
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 5: One, I'm like, I'm a better person because I had

1176
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 5: that conversation.

1177
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 3: I think we've generally made friends through pocas that we've

1178
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 3: had on, Like we've had a guest on that has

1179
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 3: just had an interesting story that we've wanted to hear from,

1180
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 3: and then after the podcast, I'm like, did we have.

1181
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: A deep conversation, you know, a conversation deeper than you'd

1182
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: probably have with a lot of your friends when you

1183
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: catch up or if you see them out or whatever,

1184
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: and you you know, someone comes and sits down often

1185
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: and will tell like open up their soul to you.

1186
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: And then I just find it so fun because then

1187
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, so bye, episode comes.

1188
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: Out in one week. Thanks, and it's just this. That's

1189
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 2: the only thing. It's weird because you get.

1190
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: So deep and then it's like, okay, back with the day.

1191
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 4: And you just learned so much.

1192
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 3: Like even our conversation that we had with Tarantula, like

1193
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 3: obviously so important, the conversations he has so important. We

1194
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 3: were really excited to have him one so that he

1195
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: could really project all of that, but then also getting

1196
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 3: to know him as a person, like with this huge

1197
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 3: interest in fashion and stuff, like I'm constantly damning him

1198
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 3: about like loafers and stuff.

1199
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 1: Oh my god having him back on and he actually

1200
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: messaged me about like something about loafers and he's like

1201
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, now I feel I need to

1202
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: be across.

1203
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 4: The true research. But you know, you just you just

1204
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 4: learn these things.

1205
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 3: You get bond, especially as you said, when you're having

1206
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: these deeper conversations, it's I love it.

1207
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 4: It's so nice. Yeah, is it privileges in it? It

1208
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 4: is really special. Yeah, so special.

1209
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 5: Well, to wrap up, I've got kind of a double

1210
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 5: barreled question for you guys, which usually with me turns

1211
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 5: into like seven different questions, but we've obviously got kicked

1212
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 5: to are coming up, which I'm so excited and honored

1213
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 5: to be coming on again. It's such a special experience.

1214
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 5: But part of that is just generally how many different

1215
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 5: things are coming out of Kick. And I think one

1216
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 5: of the quite overwhelming things coming out of the pandemic

1217
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 5: and the level of uncertainty we had is it suddenly you.

1218
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 4: Can plan a little bit.

1219
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 5: But I'm feeling a lot of pressure and a bit

1220
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 5: of like not messy brain, but kind of like, oh,

1221
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 5: we can do so many things now that we couldn't

1222
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 5: do and we can plan and like which direction should

1223
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 5: we go in? And like what, so what is kind

1224
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 5: of next for you guys? What are you getting excited

1225
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 5: about and how are you easing back into planning and

1226
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 5: goal setting and you know, deciding where to spread yourself

1227
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 5: now that you can travel and do all those kinds

1228
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 5: of things, and Laura, I know part of that for

1229
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 5: you and I has been.

1230
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 4: What are you going to have babies?

1231
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 5: And like that kind of question and trying to fit

1232
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 5: that in like biologically and logistically, and then a sort

1233
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 5: of past facing rather than forward facing question is to

1234
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 5: leave everyone with the biggest things that since the last

1235
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 5: episode you've learned or realized that you would love to

1236
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 5: pass on yourying.

1237
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 4: To start O.

1238
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 5: I love that it's like the Coen when she changes

1239
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 5: her back to the other hand, She's like, I'm done

1240
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 5: with this conversation.

1241
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: STEP's like, okay, maybe I'll start with the second part

1242
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 1: of the question.

1243
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 2: Well, it's fresh in my mind.

1244
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing I've learned since the first

1245
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: podcast kind of comes back to what in the past

1246
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: three years in a reflection of what we spoke about before,

1247
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: and I think in terms of confidence, and I think

1248
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: even in something that we've been really trying to do

1249
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: is connecting with other founders, mainly female founders and just

1250
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: people that have had similar backgrounds to what we've had

1251
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: to I don't know, just reinstill that confidence because I

1252
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: think and something that.

1253
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 2: One of our advisors says that I do a lot,

1254
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 2: and I'm working on it.

1255
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 1: But when I don't feel super confident in an area,

1256
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: I completely go reserved and I overcompensate with so I

1257
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: don't know this, I don't know this, like and you know.

1258
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 4: You like I'm a newbie, like no one look at me.

1259
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: But then it's like not remembering how much we actually

1260
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: maybe do know all the experience that we do haven't

1261
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,479
Speaker 1: and what we can bring to that. So I think

1262
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: I would say my biggest learning since then has been

1263
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: I think we all have this idea. It comes back

1264
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: to also like thinking that you need to be this

1265
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: perfect person before you can do things. I think we

1266
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 1: all have ideas in our head of what we think

1267
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: you need to look like or be like, or qualities

1268
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: that we need to have or skills whatever to do something.

1269
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,919
Speaker 1: And I think if we wait until we have them

1270
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: or we will never do it.

1271
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: And no one knows.

1272
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: That's the other thing, the biggest learning that I've had,

1273
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: even people that have had you know, we're so lucky

1274
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: with the advisors, we have a kick and people.

1275
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 2: That we've met along the way. Nobody has it all together.

1276
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, nobody.

1277
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: Knows all the answers, and so it's okay if you

1278
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: don't know them, and you're probably we're probably never going

1279
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: to get to a point in life where we know

1280
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: them all. But that's amazing because then it's like we're

1281
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: always discovering things and that's really exciting. So I think

1282
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: that would probably be my biggest personal learning is to

1283
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: make sure you know I'm giving credit for what I

1284
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: do know and knowing that. I think with Kick tore

1285
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: with running the business, it's like we think that we

1286
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 1: have to do it from I think one big insecurity

1287
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,720
Speaker 1: I have is because Kicks kind of through only business,

1288
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 1: I mean apart from subway in and I've worked a subway,

1289
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: Pete's restaurant, a hospital, but.

1290
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 2: Like they're not an kick we resume, but then they're not.

1291
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: Really companies that I can take my learnings from and

1292
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: bring it into Kick, right, So I think a big

1293
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: insecurity is, Okay, I haven't run and Stef's the same

1294
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: run a company before, so we should listened to everyone

1295
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: else that we know that have been in companies that

1296
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: have been really established and what worked for them. But

1297
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: I think it's okay, I don't know. I'm just I'm

1298
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: really becoming more comfortable and being like, no, you know,

1299
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 1: what we're doing is amazing, and actually just because someone

1300
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: else does it that way doesn't mean that we have

1301
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: to do it exactly the same way. And that is okay.

1302
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: I think if we all did it the same way,

1303
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: I mean, especially in terms of like business success or

1304
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: growth or whatever, every single if there was one formula

1305
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: and how to run a business and you know how

1306
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,439
Speaker 1: to manage people perfectly and how to grow, then every

1307
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 1: single business well probably not one would be successful because

1308
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: everyone would.

1309
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 4: Be the same run.

1310
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: So I think it's just really important to remember that.

1311
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: And then I'm trying to think in terms of planning,

1312
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: I think personal planning.

1313
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 2: To be honest, I haven't.

1314
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 1: We've got some big plans for Kick that are probably

1315
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: consuming a lot of my mental space, load everything at

1316
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 1: the moment, so I haven't.

1317
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: Actually personal planning on it. I don't know.

1318
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: But work wise, yeah, there's a lot that's really really

1319
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: exciting and we're just working out the best way to

1320
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: do it right now.

1321
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1322
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 4: Excited it is. It is really exciting.

1323
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 3: I mean, as we touched on earlier, I feel like

1324
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 3: there's never going to be a point with the app

1325
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 3: where we just like, yeah, every you know, the.

1326
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 4: Trainers when they're at content retiring.

1327
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, I know that's the thing when you work

1328
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 3: on an app is like technology is forever changing as well.

1329
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 3: So it's not even just the content that we want

1330
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 3: to continue to keep fresh, it's you know, the way

1331
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 3: that the app reacts to each user as well is

1332
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 3: super important. And so, yeah, there's a lot happening from

1333
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 3: the product side of things, and a lot of content

1334
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 3: stuff happening as well that we're really excited about coming

1335
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 3: up and continuously working on. But I think if I'm

1336
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 3: going to reflect, I think it's funny whenever I hear

1337
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 3: laws you talk about that about how much we've kind

1338
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 3: of questioned ourselves or really just gone with someone else's

1339
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 3: advice because they must know better and everything like that.

1340
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 3: I've kind of always had this internal battle in my

1341
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 3: own head because I've always been someone who I mean,

1342
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 3: even if I think to when I left high school

1343
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 3: and I was telling people that I wanted to get

1344
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 3: into modeling and all that sort of stuff, didn't really

1345
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 3: bother me what people thought about it, because I knew

1346
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 3: it was what felt right. And there's been many moments

1347
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:00,240
Speaker 3: where I've been really sure of something that we wanted

1348
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,919
Speaker 3: to do even when experts have pushed back and said,

1349
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 3: maybe you shouldn't do that. And it's hard because I've

1350
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 3: always kind of had that battle, like what do I know?

1351
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 4: But then at the same time, I'm like, well, not no,

1352
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 4: Like this is like something I feel really sure of.

1353
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 3: So I think we don't give ourselves enough credit of

1354
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 3: times when we actually, deep down did know better. I

1355
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 3: might not have made that decision, we might have listened

1356
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 3: to someone else and didn't go with our gut feeling.

1357
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 3: But I think we've actually always known the best, and

1358
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 3: I think that's something that's.

1359
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 4: Like it's special, yeah, to realize special.

1360
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 3: And I think the further we come along, whilst there's

1361
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 3: absolutely new challenges both personally and in the business as

1362
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 3: we grow bigger, I think that's something that I'm becoming

1363
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 3: more and more confident with, is how.

1364
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 4: Connected we are with our brand. That's so good. So yeah,

1365
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 4: I think it just it makes me a little bit.

1366
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1367
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 3: I feel I'm still cautious with the risks that we take,

1368
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 3: but I just feel a little bit more sure. I

1369
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 3: feel like we've learnt so much that we still know

1370
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 3: what's best for the community, and that's the number one

1371
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 3: thing anyway with everything that we do. So yeah, it's

1372
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 3: been interesting navigating that. But I think something else that's

1373
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 3: kind of changed for me as well is.

1374
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 4: Just knowing that balance doesn't have to be perfect, and

1375
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 4: it doesn't always, you know, I think.

1376
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 3: There's like perfect work life balance that we all kind

1377
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 3: of strive for, and I think it's just a no

1378
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 3: accepting that.

1379
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 4: It's definitely something I used to strive for.

1380
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 3: I used to just have to, you know, have a

1381
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 3: certain amount of time with my friends and family each

1382
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 3: week and really have to be able to try and

1383
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 3: switch off and all that stuff. And I just know

1384
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 3: that there's weeks where that's not going to be that's

1385
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 3: not going to be possible, and there's no point getting

1386
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 3: so upset about it because that just makes things worse,

1387
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 3: Like you.

1388
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 4: End up stressing more about being stressed, you know, because

1389
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 4: because we're a little off balance, you know, sometimes we're

1390
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 4: going to have.

1391
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 3: Times where it is quieter a work week and we

1392
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 3: can have more time with our friends and family and

1393
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 3: really fill up our cup.

1394
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 4: And then other times the.

1395
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 3: Business has come first and that's just the way it is.

1396
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,919
Speaker 3: That's been our decision as well. I think that's something

1397
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 3: that we often might feel a little like feel sorry

1398
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 3: for ourselves in that we have to, you know, put

1399
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 3: the business first a lot, as we are co founders

1400
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 3: of a business. But then also there's so much like

1401
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 3: we're so fortunate as well to be in the position

1402
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 3: that we are, and I think that's really special.

1403
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 4: So it's just kind of battling.

1404
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 3: With that like gratitude, but also it's a lot times

1405
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 3: in balance but letting go of the expectations.

1406
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 5: I think I love that message about the fact that

1407
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 5: you guys do know your community best and it's gone

1408
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 5: of the days where there are systems and processes that

1409
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 5: need to apply for success because everything was the same

1410
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 5: for so long and they worked for so long, but

1411
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 5: the world is so rapidly changing. And I've said this

1412
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 5: on Kickpod that you are so good like for people

1413
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 5: who run a tech company where you don't actually have

1414
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 5: to have that many touch points with your community in person.

1415
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 5: Like every single kick Tour event there've been like four

1416
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 5: hundred people, and Stephan Laura will make like an hour

1417
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,919
Speaker 5: extra in the schedule to make each person have enough

1418
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 5: time for not.

1419
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 4: Just a photo, but like a quick chat about.

1420
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 5: Their journey, and your energy doesn't drop at all, so

1421
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 5: that the four hundredth person has the same experience as

1422
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 5: the first person, And like that is an extra hour

1423
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 5: of you being away from Harvey. You can't make the

1424
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 5: first flight out because you've made that extra hour. But

1425
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 5: I think that effort and dedication to knowing them so

1426
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 5: intimately is what does mean that now when a decision

1427
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 5: time comes, you guys can trust your gut a little

1428
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 5: bit more because you've been making decisions that way so

1429
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 5: far and it's obviously worked. And I think that's a

1430
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 5: great lesson for other people that you do sometimes get

1431
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 5: very distracted by, Well, they've done more, bigger businesses and

1432
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 5: they know this and definitely take advice and guidance. But

1433
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 5: if you've got a really strong feeling that your community

1434
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 5: in particular will want something, they usually.

1435
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 4: Do very very NK. It's very nice.

1436
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 5: Well, it's something I admire so much watching from the outside.

1437
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 5: Like it's an exhausting day. You do two in some places,

1438
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 5: two shows straight after each other, and still the very

1439
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 5: last thing you'll do is an hour with the second

1440
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 5: lot of four hundred people, and still the eight hundred

1441
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 5: person on the day won't get a different experience to

1442
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 5: the first and that's very special, very unique also because

1443
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 5: people often do their talk and then they whisk away

1444
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 5: like they don't not that everyone can. You know, there

1445
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 5: are reasons why people can't do that every time, but

1446
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 5: the fact you do show how much you care about them,

1447
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 5: I think keeps them coming back for however many years

1448
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 5: it's been.

1449
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 4: There is an element of that that's selfish because we

1450
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 4: to a lot, but it does.

1451
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 5: Is also really lovely the fact that you do get

1452
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 5: so much pleasure out of it. Something I'd love to

1453
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 5: ask to finish up with is a manifestation question, which

1454
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 5: is just if there was any like, if any possibility

1455
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 5: could happen and there was no restriction on who you

1456
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 5: could get on kickpod, or who you could have as

1457
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 5: a guest on the tour or on the panel, or

1458
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 5: you know, any big, massive dream that when we come

1459
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 5: back in another four years and sit down and reflect

1460
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 5: on where you've been since this recording, like, throw something

1461
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 5: out there, what's something huge that you would love?

1462
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 4: Can I throw one out for Laura please? You're going

1463
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 4: to it down with Brene Brown?

1464
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 2: Or can't you come on the podcast?

1465
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,439
Speaker 4: I don't like her. I would like you to happen.

1466
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 5: Feel when you say those things out loud, you know somehow,

1467
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 5: like someone will be listening who knows her assistant also,

1468
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like you have to say

1469
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 5: those things for them to happen.

1470
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god, wouldn't that be amazing?

1471
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: Then? I think two in terms of Kick, if we

1472
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 1: could truly manifest into in four years time, would be

1473
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: to be in a company a company a country like

1474
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: America and.

1475
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 2: People to know Kickers as a household brand.

1476
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 1: I think that's our because Kick with our co audience

1477
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: is in Australian and I think there's so much potential

1478
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: for what we can do internationally.

1479
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 2: It's obviously it's a big job.

1480
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: It's it's quite you know, you look at it and

1481
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: you think you can't do it the same as you

1482
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: did it here, and it's like its own it's kind

1483
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: of like doing it again, but you know, in another

1484
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: in another country. But I feel like it would be

1485
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: pretty special to you know, to walk in.

1486
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 4: Time Spare and someone like field Board. I mean, that

1487
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 4: would be amazing.

1488
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think if we're manifesting, that's probably what

1489
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 2: we would.

1490
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 5: I can imagine that, you know, the ball dropping at

1491
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 5: New Year's and it's like a kickspo.

1492
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: Like have a New Years, Oh my goodness, that would

1493
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 1: be incredible.

1494
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 4: What's your stuff?

1495
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 5: Is there any like a mom that you'd want to

1496
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 5: get on, or even like a product, like just any

1497
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 5: kind of development that would be a huge dream.

1498
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean definitely going global with Kick is huge

1499
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 3: for us, and that just excites me so much for

1500
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 3: where the brand can go. But I'm trying to think

1501
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 3: of other guests that I would love to have on

1502
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 3: even with the podcast, even like we both love Reese

1503
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 3: with a spoon, I.

1504
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 4: Feel like she'd be really aligned. She'd be so good.

1505
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: You know what, Actually, if we're going to manifest, the

1506
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: dream investor ever in Kick would be Rac with a

1507
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: spoon if to.

1508
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 4: Get one single.

1509
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 2: Her exit of her company was humongous.

1510
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if she's I mean a lot of

1511
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: the celebrities have their obviously do their investments and stuff,

1512
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 1: but that.

1513
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:04,439
Speaker 4: WHI we're just like reeling af well, actually you say

1514
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 4: it like.

1515
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 5: Some of them won't happen, but some of them might

1516
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 5: and you never know, and then when it does happen,

1517
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 5: you're like I said that in an episode yeah four years.

1518
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 4: Ago, yeah, or even twelve years ago. But how cool

1519
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 4: that you then have a record one hundred percent. Oh

1520
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 4: so cool. But I think it's just for us.

1521
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, we're doing all of this stuff

1522
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 3: and we're putting in all of this effort with Kick

1523
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 3: because we have seen and this is why we spend

1524
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 3: the time with the community that we do, because we

1525
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 3: hear from them directly the impact it has on their life,

1526
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 3: and for us, that is so special. So if we can,

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Speaker 3: you know, grow our audience overseas and touch more people's

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Speaker 3: lives and help more people like that, there's nothing more important,

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Speaker 3: I think, and nothing more rewarding than that. So it's

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Speaker 3: definitely to grow global. And I think whatever happens, you know,

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Speaker 3: wherever or whenever, however it ends, I think just being

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Speaker 3: able to have in the back of our minds, like

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Speaker 3: for the rest of our lives that we we kind

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01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 3: of we did that and we touched on these people's lives.

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Speaker 3: I'm like imagining in like twenty years time, walking down

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Speaker 3: a supermarket aisle and some other old woman kind of

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01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 3: bumping into me and being like, oh.

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Speaker 4: My god, are you did you usually Kick?

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01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 3: I did it for years and it's changed my life

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01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 3: and now my you know, so and so does it

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01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 3: all this and it to be some.

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01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 4: Like a Jane fond of video.

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01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, I mean yeah, like a fond of video

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Speaker 5: of this era.

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Speaker 3: I want the app to be like a blip of

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01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 3: what the brand is in like twenty years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: We might not be.

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Speaker 3: We may be a part of it, we may not be,

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Speaker 3: But I just feel like I would love it to

1551
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 3: be a bit more of like.

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01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 4: A movement almost.

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01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 3: People just know Kick is something that happened in the

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01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 3: space that was a wholesome.

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Speaker 2: Like made an impact.

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01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, made an impact.

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Speaker 3: You know what.

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Speaker 5: The most beautiful thing about that is you have already

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01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 5: done that. You have already done that in an entire country,

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Speaker 5: Like that is already how people in super markets walk

1561
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 5: around and pick up their like Kick noodles and pasta

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01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 5: and minosaurs and other like. Seriously, though, you have already

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01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 5: done that. And the fact that the tour shows that

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01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 5: in like six or seven different huge states. And by

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01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 5: the way, you have gone global because we're going to

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Speaker 5: New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: That's a good step.

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01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 5: Not many Australians who are doing well can just rock

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01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 5: up to Auckland and have a crowd like.

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Speaker 4: That's a big deal.

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01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,919
Speaker 5: So it's a real privilege to be there and see

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Speaker 5: it happen and see you guys, you know, interacting with

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01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 5: your community and seeing them like literally bore their eyes

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Speaker 5: out about the impact you've already made.

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Speaker 4: So thank you, guys so much. I'm so excited. Thank you,

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Speaker 4: and we'll see you on the tour. Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 5: I love having guests on for a second and third

1578
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 5: time to trace through the next step in their staircases

1579
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 5: or the next steps in those staircases since the last

1580
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 5: time you heard from them. And also because there's just

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01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 5: so much more random fun banter when you guys already

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01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 5: know the story from the first time, if you enjoyed,

1583
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 5: and especially because there's such a lovely overlap of our

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Speaker 5: communities as I've loved discovering on the Kick tour. Please

1585
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 5: do show the girls some good old neighborhood love and

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01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 5: share the episode tagging at keep It Cleaner and Stephan

1587
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 5: Laura if it feels right to thank them for so

1588
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 5: generously giving us their time. Hopefully I'll get to see

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Speaker 5: some more of you on the road over the next

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Speaker 5: few weekends, and perhaps we'll even do something similar ourselves

1591
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 5: next year for the neighborhood. This year has been absolute

1592
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 5: madness and thank you guys so much for bearing with us.

1593
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 5: But I am finally starting to get my planning hat

1594
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 5: on again for what yay is to be seized next year.

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Speaker 5: Also a quick note while we're here about another former

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Speaker 5: guest who we absolutely adore, Samantha Gash. I think she's

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Speaker 5: been on maybe four times now because she is the

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Speaker 5: ultimate Yeay girl and this month is no exception. Samantha

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Speaker 5: and her friend doctor Jesse Ling are currently doing a

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Speaker 5: one thousand mile trek across Nepal's Great Humalaya Trail supporting

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Speaker 5: World Vision Australia and November. That is one of the

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Speaker 5: most special things about Samantha her ability to tie in

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01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 5: her yay with incredible causes. You can follow along the journey.

1604
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 5: There's actually a tracker of their adventure to sort of

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01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 5: coin to your own wanderlust if you can't be out

1606
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 5: there traveling yourselves, or even participate in a twenty eight

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01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 5: day challenge, a virtual trek or run, and so much

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01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 5: more they've got going on. I'll pop the links in

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Speaker 5: the show notes, but please have a look at what

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Speaker 5: they're up to with Resilience in Motion. That's the name

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Speaker 5: of the project at Resilience Motion is the Instagram and

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01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:15,919
Speaker 5: you can check out there how you can support her

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Speaker 5: and world Vision Australia and November as well. In the meantime,

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Speaker 5: I hope you're having an amazing week and are seizing

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Speaker 5: your yay