1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:15,064 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma 2 00:00:15,104 --> 00:00:18,784 Speaker 1: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that 3 00:00:18,864 --> 00:00:27,104 Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to 4 00:00:27,144 --> 00:00:31,144 Speaker 1: the Spill, your daily pop culture fixed. I'm Laura Brodnick. 5 00:00:30,784 --> 00:00:34,664 Speaker 2: And I'm m Venim. It is our brutally honest review time. 6 00:00:35,264 --> 00:00:38,984 Speaker 1: So yes, today's episode is a brutally honest review of Anra, 7 00:00:39,264 --> 00:00:42,744 Speaker 1: better known as the film that swept the twenty twenty 8 00:00:42,744 --> 00:00:47,704 Speaker 1: five Oscars. So we obviously raved about this movie when 9 00:00:47,744 --> 00:00:49,544 Speaker 1: we saw it at the end of last year. In 10 00:00:49,624 --> 00:00:52,024 Speaker 1: our Christmas episode about the Movies you had to Watch, 11 00:00:52,024 --> 00:00:55,384 Speaker 1: we dedicated pretty much the whole show to this and Nosferatu, 12 00:00:55,384 --> 00:00:57,824 Speaker 1: which I also am sad it didn't win any Oscars. 13 00:00:58,104 --> 00:01:01,704 Speaker 1: Two iconic movies, only one swept the Oscars. We tried. 14 00:01:01,904 --> 00:01:03,304 Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this, but we're actually 15 00:01:03,344 --> 00:01:05,584 Speaker 2: the reason why it won the Oscars. 16 00:01:05,824 --> 00:01:08,904 Speaker 1: Well exactly, so we have been hyping this movie for 17 00:01:08,904 --> 00:01:12,744 Speaker 1: a long time. Today's episode was a very special request 18 00:01:12,744 --> 00:01:15,224 Speaker 1: by one Emily Fernam Well, it was more of a demand, actually, 19 00:01:15,744 --> 00:01:17,744 Speaker 1: you said, we're doing a brilliance review of Anurra. 20 00:01:18,144 --> 00:01:21,064 Speaker 2: I think because Obviously, we try to stick to some 21 00:01:21,104 --> 00:01:23,944 Speaker 2: sort of structure here on this bill, and we usually 22 00:01:23,944 --> 00:01:25,984 Speaker 2: try to give people like a week or a few 23 00:01:25,984 --> 00:01:28,704 Speaker 2: weeks to watch a movie because we do talk about spoilers, 24 00:01:28,744 --> 00:01:31,104 Speaker 2: and then we do our Brilliance review once everyone's watched it. 25 00:01:31,344 --> 00:01:33,424 Speaker 2: But obviously this movie has been out for a few 26 00:01:33,464 --> 00:01:36,504 Speaker 2: months now, but I think since it was announced as 27 00:01:36,584 --> 00:01:39,184 Speaker 2: the like Oscar winner, like the big winner of the 28 00:01:39,224 --> 00:01:42,464 Speaker 2: evening and also the most surprising winner, all my friends 29 00:01:42,504 --> 00:01:44,784 Speaker 2: can talk about is how badly they want to see 30 00:01:44,784 --> 00:01:46,344 Speaker 2: the movie. And I feel like so many more people 31 00:01:46,384 --> 00:01:48,344 Speaker 2: are now going to be watching annoy and now. 32 00:01:48,624 --> 00:01:50,864 Speaker 1: Well that is also the point of our Brilliancet reviews 33 00:01:50,944 --> 00:01:53,064 Speaker 1: is that it's the movie and TV show everyone is 34 00:01:53,104 --> 00:01:56,104 Speaker 1: talking about that week, which is definitely this week Anorra 35 00:01:56,184 --> 00:01:58,344 Speaker 1: after its Oscar sweep. Is it our fault it's a 36 00:01:58,344 --> 00:02:01,664 Speaker 1: few months later, No, but also your fault watch but 37 00:02:01,704 --> 00:02:04,224 Speaker 1: also yeah, let's blame people that will go over really well. 38 00:02:04,344 --> 00:02:07,424 Speaker 1: But also it's still in limited theaters, which is really 39 00:02:07,424 --> 00:02:09,424 Speaker 1: if you want to go and watch the movies, or 40 00:02:09,504 --> 00:02:12,384 Speaker 1: you can now ren it or buy it on Prime 41 00:02:12,504 --> 00:02:15,624 Speaker 1: Video and Apple TV, so you can also watch in 42 00:02:15,664 --> 00:02:17,624 Speaker 1: the comfort of your own home, and that is all 43 00:02:17,824 --> 00:02:19,944 Speaker 1: we like to call a loophole, which makes it a 44 00:02:19,984 --> 00:02:22,104 Speaker 1: new movie because you can only do that recently. 45 00:02:22,464 --> 00:02:25,344 Speaker 2: Yes, and also it is so worth the rent, like 46 00:02:25,424 --> 00:02:26,304 Speaker 2: it's so worth rented. 47 00:02:26,424 --> 00:02:29,344 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, we've hyped it so much, as Emily is 48 00:02:29,344 --> 00:02:31,264 Speaker 1: trying to say, like, we feel like a little bit 49 00:02:31,304 --> 00:02:34,144 Speaker 1: responsible for this success of Anura because we were championing 50 00:02:34,144 --> 00:02:35,384 Speaker 1: it from the moment we saw it. 51 00:02:35,464 --> 00:02:38,424 Speaker 2: We even mourned it when we really thought it wasn't 52 00:02:38,424 --> 00:02:39,584 Speaker 2: going to win any ward. 53 00:02:39,784 --> 00:02:41,504 Speaker 1: It's so funny because I went on an episode of 54 00:02:41,504 --> 00:02:43,864 Speaker 1: The Quickie, which is mum MEA's news podcast, last year, 55 00:02:43,864 --> 00:02:45,584 Speaker 1: and I was doing my predictions for what was going 56 00:02:45,624 --> 00:02:48,384 Speaker 1: to come up in the awards and like Oscars and everything. 57 00:02:48,784 --> 00:02:50,424 Speaker 1: Claire Murphy asked me, like, what was going to be 58 00:02:50,464 --> 00:02:52,024 Speaker 1: the big movie, what was going to sweep the Oscars? 59 00:02:52,024 --> 00:02:54,104 Speaker 1: And I was like, well, Anora, Like nothing's going to 60 00:02:54,104 --> 00:02:55,904 Speaker 1: beat a Nourra. And I had forgotten i'd said that 61 00:02:55,944 --> 00:02:58,824 Speaker 1: because I started to doubt myself because Anor peetered out 62 00:02:58,824 --> 00:03:01,224 Speaker 1: an interest for a long time. And I now feel 63 00:03:01,344 --> 00:03:05,144 Speaker 1: very vindicated that it came back around because it debuted 64 00:03:05,224 --> 00:03:07,984 Speaker 1: at the carn Film Festival in May of last year, 65 00:03:08,144 --> 00:03:10,704 Speaker 1: where it just got so much critical acc but it 66 00:03:10,704 --> 00:03:13,224 Speaker 1: was also the movie that everyone was posting about, everyone 67 00:03:13,304 --> 00:03:15,744 Speaker 1: was talking about everyone, Like all the coverage from that 68 00:03:15,744 --> 00:03:18,304 Speaker 1: film festival, which is one of the most prestigious in 69 00:03:18,344 --> 00:03:21,024 Speaker 1: the world, was like, Anora is the movie of the 70 00:03:21,144 --> 00:03:23,624 Speaker 1: Year that next year. And then it also won the 71 00:03:23,664 --> 00:03:26,704 Speaker 1: Palm Dual, which is the big award from that season. 72 00:03:27,064 --> 00:03:28,944 Speaker 1: And then it came out and it did still get 73 00:03:28,944 --> 00:03:31,944 Speaker 1: critical acclaim, but it did kind of peter out. It 74 00:03:31,984 --> 00:03:34,544 Speaker 1: didn't become the huge kind of talking point like in 75 00:03:34,584 --> 00:03:35,584 Speaker 1: a mainstream way. 76 00:03:35,984 --> 00:03:38,544 Speaker 2: But it's like what you said, like, it was such 77 00:03:38,544 --> 00:03:40,904 Speaker 2: a good movie, but there were also so many other 78 00:03:41,064 --> 00:03:42,264 Speaker 2: great movies. 79 00:03:41,904 --> 00:03:44,904 Speaker 1: This, yeah, exactly. And then as it came into awards season, 80 00:03:44,944 --> 00:03:47,504 Speaker 1: it was nominated for everything, but it seemed to really 81 00:03:47,544 --> 00:03:50,184 Speaker 1: be like Amelia Perez was breaking so many records for 82 00:03:50,224 --> 00:03:53,184 Speaker 1: how many nominations it had, Demi Moore was winning everything 83 00:03:53,224 --> 00:03:56,304 Speaker 1: for the substance Conclave kind of came into the mix. 84 00:03:56,504 --> 00:03:58,504 Speaker 1: Wicked was there as the kind of big budget one 85 00:03:58,544 --> 00:04:00,744 Speaker 1: everyone was talking about, even though they didn't win too much, 86 00:04:00,824 --> 00:04:02,664 Speaker 1: and Anora was just in the background. Every so often 87 00:04:02,704 --> 00:04:04,784 Speaker 1: it would pop up and win something, but not really. 88 00:04:05,224 --> 00:04:07,984 Speaker 1: And then we came to the Oscars where it won 89 00:04:08,184 --> 00:04:11,984 Speaker 1: Best Picture, notoriously Best direct our Best Actress. That was 90 00:04:12,024 --> 00:04:14,184 Speaker 1: a whole huge thing, as we said, because it Demi 91 00:04:14,224 --> 00:04:16,384 Speaker 1: Moore was kind of a lock to win Best Original 92 00:04:16,424 --> 00:04:20,624 Speaker 1: Screenplay and Best Editing. And Sean Baker, who is the 93 00:04:20,624 --> 00:04:24,064 Speaker 1: creator of Anor, the writer, the director, the producer, tied 94 00:04:24,104 --> 00:04:26,824 Speaker 1: with Walt Disney for the most Oscar wins for one 95 00:04:26,904 --> 00:04:27,904 Speaker 1: film in a night. 96 00:04:28,344 --> 00:04:29,304 Speaker 2: The classic Walter. 97 00:04:29,864 --> 00:04:32,664 Speaker 1: That's insane. So now it's like Walt Disney and Sean Baker, 98 00:04:33,584 --> 00:04:37,184 Speaker 1: the two greats up there. So that's when the movie 99 00:04:37,224 --> 00:04:39,824 Speaker 1: is now having a second life, which I love. I mean, 100 00:04:39,864 --> 00:04:42,384 Speaker 1: obviously we're hoping you guys have watched it because we're 101 00:04:42,384 --> 00:04:44,424 Speaker 1: going to go deep into spoilers. But if anyone's like 102 00:04:44,504 --> 00:04:46,304 Speaker 1: us and watched it like three months ago, do you 103 00:04:46,344 --> 00:04:48,544 Speaker 1: want to give the people what it's about? Yeah, what's 104 00:04:48,584 --> 00:04:49,704 Speaker 1: your little tagline? 105 00:04:49,784 --> 00:04:55,224 Speaker 2: So a little tagline for the movie chaotic, funny, sad. 106 00:04:56,304 --> 00:04:58,464 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you feel those emotions, You're like, this is chaotic, 107 00:04:58,504 --> 00:04:59,784 Speaker 1: this is really funny. Oh, this is. 108 00:04:59,944 --> 00:05:03,144 Speaker 2: Probably the exact order I just described it. So what 109 00:05:03,264 --> 00:05:06,024 Speaker 2: I really enjoyed about this movie. And I don't want 110 00:05:06,064 --> 00:05:08,144 Speaker 2: to come across as like a basic bitch. He's not 111 00:05:08,184 --> 00:05:08,544 Speaker 2: good at her. 112 00:05:08,624 --> 00:05:11,904 Speaker 1: Oh come on, we are basy bitches. Premise about podcast cross. 113 00:05:12,024 --> 00:05:15,064 Speaker 2: But a lot of these movies that make it into 114 00:05:15,264 --> 00:05:19,064 Speaker 2: like the Oscar lineup aren't usually movies for me. Like 115 00:05:19,104 --> 00:05:23,704 Speaker 2: they're usually like these big cinematic masterpieces that you're sitting 116 00:05:23,704 --> 00:05:25,704 Speaker 2: there in the theater for like four hours and you're 117 00:05:25,704 --> 00:05:27,104 Speaker 2: not fully understanding the plot. 118 00:05:27,304 --> 00:05:30,904 Speaker 1: The brutless just feels really attacked right now, he should 119 00:05:30,944 --> 00:05:31,624 Speaker 1: after that speech. 120 00:05:32,624 --> 00:05:35,064 Speaker 2: You're just sitting in the cinema for hours, you're not 121 00:05:35,144 --> 00:05:37,384 Speaker 2: really sure what's going on. All you're doing is like 122 00:05:37,504 --> 00:05:40,864 Speaker 2: recognizing famous people that you know in the movie, and 123 00:05:41,504 --> 00:05:44,344 Speaker 2: this was not one of those. Firstly, I didn't recognize 124 00:05:44,344 --> 00:05:46,824 Speaker 2: a single person in this movie. Like, this movie felt 125 00:05:46,864 --> 00:05:49,544 Speaker 2: so new to me. Every single person in this movie 126 00:05:49,584 --> 00:05:53,424 Speaker 2: who acted in it was absolutely brilliant, and the concept 127 00:05:53,504 --> 00:05:56,584 Speaker 2: of it was just something that was so beyond my 128 00:05:56,744 --> 00:05:58,944 Speaker 2: imagination that I couldn't even think about. And I just 129 00:05:59,024 --> 00:06:01,664 Speaker 2: thought it was so interesting, so unique. It felt like 130 00:06:01,704 --> 00:06:02,904 Speaker 2: a very indie film. 131 00:06:03,384 --> 00:06:04,984 Speaker 1: Yeah, well it is an indie film. Is it an 132 00:06:04,984 --> 00:06:07,224 Speaker 1: indie film? Yeah? It was made for like a small 133 00:06:07,264 --> 00:06:09,264 Speaker 1: amount of money, but it like made that money back 134 00:06:09,304 --> 00:06:12,344 Speaker 1: like threefold at the office, and it was only filmed 135 00:06:12,344 --> 00:06:16,384 Speaker 1: over thirty seven days. Like that's a tiny, tiny production 136 00:06:16,864 --> 00:06:19,144 Speaker 1: for like a film that went on to sweep the Oscars. 137 00:06:19,384 --> 00:06:22,304 Speaker 2: Okay, See, this was just blown my mind because I 138 00:06:22,304 --> 00:06:24,304 Speaker 2: thought this was going to be massive budget because there's 139 00:06:24,344 --> 00:06:27,304 Speaker 2: like massive mansions and stuff in this But it was 140 00:06:27,344 --> 00:06:30,784 Speaker 2: just like one of those movies that I haven't felt 141 00:06:30,824 --> 00:06:33,064 Speaker 2: like such a range of Like we talked about this 142 00:06:33,184 --> 00:06:35,584 Speaker 2: recently and I really honest review of Bridge Jones and 143 00:06:35,584 --> 00:06:37,984 Speaker 2: having the range of emotions we feel, but I feel 144 00:06:37,984 --> 00:06:39,744 Speaker 2: like with something with Bridge Jones, it was like very 145 00:06:39,824 --> 00:06:43,904 Speaker 2: much expected emotions, whereas this one was so unexpected, Like 146 00:06:43,944 --> 00:06:47,264 Speaker 2: I never felt so seen in a movie. I've never 147 00:06:47,264 --> 00:06:49,864 Speaker 2: felt so uncomfortable in a movie. I've never laughed this 148 00:06:50,024 --> 00:06:51,704 Speaker 2: much in a movie. I never cried this much in 149 00:06:51,744 --> 00:06:54,704 Speaker 2: a movie. And then the ending was just something that 150 00:06:54,824 --> 00:06:56,344 Speaker 2: like it just sticks with you. It's one of these 151 00:06:56,344 --> 00:06:58,984 Speaker 2: films that, even though we have watched months ago, I 152 00:06:59,104 --> 00:07:00,944 Speaker 2: can't stop thinking about, Like. 153 00:07:02,464 --> 00:07:05,584 Speaker 1: Our two movies of the year, I think a lot 154 00:07:05,584 --> 00:07:07,784 Speaker 1: of the magic came from the casting, and it's just 155 00:07:07,864 --> 00:07:09,904 Speaker 1: saying like, it's a lot of people who I'd have 156 00:07:09,944 --> 00:07:12,024 Speaker 1: been acting for a while or it was like among 157 00:07:12,064 --> 00:07:14,224 Speaker 1: their first acting jobs, which I think added to it. 158 00:07:14,264 --> 00:07:17,264 Speaker 1: But I think that's also why it didn't go mainstream 159 00:07:17,304 --> 00:07:19,264 Speaker 1: in the way it would have if there was Like 160 00:07:19,344 --> 00:07:23,304 Speaker 1: Baby Girls also was a very low budget indie movie, 161 00:07:23,584 --> 00:07:25,744 Speaker 1: but then new factor in the Nicole Kimmen of it all, 162 00:07:25,824 --> 00:07:28,584 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, that's mainstream and everyone's talking 163 00:07:28,584 --> 00:07:28,984 Speaker 1: about it. 164 00:07:29,024 --> 00:07:32,824 Speaker 2: Same with like Adrian Brody and the Brutal Yes, and. 165 00:07:32,864 --> 00:07:36,584 Speaker 1: Mikey Madison is a very beloved actress, but not on 166 00:07:36,624 --> 00:07:39,104 Speaker 1: the level as like obviously like Anicle Kimen or anything 167 00:07:39,144 --> 00:07:42,224 Speaker 1: like that. What's interesting is that when Sean Baker, well, 168 00:07:42,224 --> 00:07:44,344 Speaker 1: he'd been wanting to write this movie for a really 169 00:07:44,384 --> 00:07:47,104 Speaker 1: long time, and he'd been talking about it to Kara 170 00:07:47,184 --> 00:07:50,784 Speaker 1: and Carl Gillian, who plays Taurus in the movie. Yeah funny, Yeah, 171 00:07:52,064 --> 00:07:54,184 Speaker 1: the fixer who gets called for everyone who's seen it, 172 00:07:54,184 --> 00:07:56,064 Speaker 1: which is again is hopefully all of you. So they've 173 00:07:56,064 --> 00:07:58,144 Speaker 1: worked together for many years. They'd had this idea of 174 00:07:58,184 --> 00:08:01,144 Speaker 1: wanting to write about the Russian community in New York 175 00:08:01,184 --> 00:08:03,864 Speaker 1: and Brooklyn and how that would be. Sean Baker also 176 00:08:03,944 --> 00:08:06,504 Speaker 1: said that Anora was inspired by this story he'd heard 177 00:08:06,504 --> 00:08:09,024 Speaker 1: from a friend about a Russian American newlywed who was 178 00:08:09,104 --> 00:08:11,304 Speaker 1: kidnapped for collateral. He was like, you know, that'd be 179 00:08:11,424 --> 00:08:13,984 Speaker 1: a great comedy idea for me to like just take that. 180 00:08:14,504 --> 00:08:15,344 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 181 00:08:15,504 --> 00:08:17,264 Speaker 2: So it's like pretty much a true story. 182 00:08:17,384 --> 00:08:19,104 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it actually played out like this. 183 00:08:19,224 --> 00:08:21,144 Speaker 1: It was just like, oh, what if that kind of happened? 184 00:08:21,144 --> 00:08:23,744 Speaker 1: Did at film the basis of the story. So Sean 185 00:08:23,944 --> 00:08:27,224 Speaker 1: started writing this movie many many years ago, and interestingly, 186 00:08:27,664 --> 00:08:29,984 Speaker 1: Mikey was always kind of in his mind for the 187 00:08:30,064 --> 00:08:32,664 Speaker 1: character of a Nora. So he said that Mikey Madison 188 00:08:32,704 --> 00:08:35,624 Speaker 1: first captured his attention in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. 189 00:08:35,624 --> 00:08:36,424 Speaker 1: Do you remember her in that? 190 00:08:36,504 --> 00:08:37,464 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I forgot you. 191 00:08:37,544 --> 00:08:39,984 Speaker 1: We did that movie together? No, I think we did. 192 00:08:40,024 --> 00:08:40,344 Speaker 1: Maybe not. 193 00:08:40,584 --> 00:08:44,144 Speaker 2: No, I saw it with my parents. They also, like me, 194 00:08:44,184 --> 00:08:45,824 Speaker 2: didn't understand anything that's happening. 195 00:08:46,024 --> 00:08:47,744 Speaker 1: Okay, well, the whole office went. I just assumed you 196 00:08:47,784 --> 00:08:50,544 Speaker 1: were there, so we didn't innight you. Mikey Madison's a 197 00:08:50,584 --> 00:08:52,984 Speaker 1: real standout as one of the Manson family who goes 198 00:08:53,024 --> 00:08:55,584 Speaker 1: in and yeah, tries to kill Leonardo DiCaprio. It was 199 00:08:55,584 --> 00:08:57,944 Speaker 1: her first big movie. 200 00:08:58,184 --> 00:08:59,064 Speaker 2: She's just super crapy. 201 00:08:59,184 --> 00:09:01,824 Speaker 1: The background actors and that are Margaret Cawley, Sydney Swep, 202 00:09:02,184 --> 00:09:06,984 Speaker 1: Austin Butler, and Mikey Madison, all kids who infamously went 203 00:09:07,024 --> 00:09:10,064 Speaker 1: on to be went on to be the new like 204 00:09:10,144 --> 00:09:12,144 Speaker 1: kind of raining people of Hollywood. So that was some 205 00:09:12,184 --> 00:09:15,784 Speaker 1: great casting there by Quentin Tarantino. So yes, Sean saw 206 00:09:15,824 --> 00:09:19,224 Speaker 1: Mikey once upon a time in Hollywood and she only 207 00:09:19,304 --> 00:09:21,624 Speaker 1: had like fifteen minutes of screen time. But he's like, 208 00:09:21,664 --> 00:09:23,464 Speaker 1: that actress has stolen the show and I want to 209 00:09:23,504 --> 00:09:25,504 Speaker 1: cast her in something. He then saw her and Scream 210 00:09:25,504 --> 00:09:27,504 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, which I'm assuming you haven't seen. 211 00:09:27,584 --> 00:09:28,104 Speaker 2: I haven't seen. 212 00:09:29,184 --> 00:09:31,544 Speaker 1: You should watch it just for that, just for her 213 00:09:31,584 --> 00:09:34,984 Speaker 1: performances care so you'll be okay, I'll come over and 214 00:09:34,984 --> 00:09:37,704 Speaker 1: watch it with you with the lights on. That won't 215 00:09:37,744 --> 00:09:40,784 Speaker 1: save you if the killer comes later, but just you know. 216 00:09:41,344 --> 00:09:42,984 Speaker 1: And he was just like, I know that she's the 217 00:09:43,024 --> 00:09:45,904 Speaker 1: actress for this role. And she was incredible, which again 218 00:09:45,944 --> 00:09:48,304 Speaker 1: we were saying before she run the oscar. Interestingly, she 219 00:09:48,344 --> 00:09:51,704 Speaker 1: didn't know any Russian beforehand, and she learned it all 220 00:09:51,704 --> 00:09:55,664 Speaker 1: going into the movie, which I guess that's what actresses do. 221 00:09:55,824 --> 00:09:57,824 Speaker 1: But there's just a way that she speaks it, and 222 00:09:57,944 --> 00:09:59,784 Speaker 1: not that I speak Russian, so I wouldn't if she's 223 00:09:59,824 --> 00:10:01,664 Speaker 1: doing it correctly. But I just spent you know, a 224 00:10:01,704 --> 00:10:05,224 Speaker 1: month in Russia at one stage to my ear, so 225 00:10:05,304 --> 00:10:08,864 Speaker 1: to my ear, she sounded great. And interestingly euro Borisov, 226 00:10:08,904 --> 00:10:11,984 Speaker 1: who plays Igor, who is Russian henchman, I love all 227 00:10:11,984 --> 00:10:12,464 Speaker 1: the henchmen. 228 00:10:12,544 --> 00:10:14,304 Speaker 2: He's so high, who. 229 00:10:14,184 --> 00:10:16,544 Speaker 1: Kind of like initially is like kind of the bad guy, 230 00:10:16,584 --> 00:10:18,904 Speaker 1: then flips kind of helping her out. Had never spoken 231 00:10:18,904 --> 00:10:21,584 Speaker 1: English before. So the two of yeah, I know, how 232 00:10:21,584 --> 00:10:22,304 Speaker 1: impressive are these. 233 00:10:22,264 --> 00:10:26,664 Speaker 2: People are working together. So it starts off where we're 234 00:10:26,704 --> 00:10:29,584 Speaker 2: introduced as Mikey Madison. She plays Annie, who's the lead 235 00:10:29,864 --> 00:10:34,184 Speaker 2: of the movie, and she is a stripper. It's actually 236 00:10:34,224 --> 00:10:37,664 Speaker 2: like the first opening scene was quite like sudden to 237 00:10:37,744 --> 00:10:40,264 Speaker 2: me because I just show everything, like everything in the 238 00:10:40,264 --> 00:10:43,024 Speaker 2: strip club. You see her boss, I would say, at 239 00:10:43,024 --> 00:10:45,824 Speaker 2: the strip club, like leads her to a client, and 240 00:10:45,864 --> 00:10:48,544 Speaker 2: we find out the client is Yvonne, who is a 241 00:10:48,584 --> 00:10:51,384 Speaker 2: twenty one year old billionaires son. 242 00:10:51,984 --> 00:10:53,864 Speaker 1: Just the definition of an F boy, Just. 243 00:10:53,824 --> 00:10:56,584 Speaker 2: The definition of an F boy, A definition of just 244 00:10:56,624 --> 00:10:57,424 Speaker 2: a twenty one year. 245 00:10:57,304 --> 00:10:59,424 Speaker 1: Old yeah, exactly, who's got a lot of money and 246 00:10:59,464 --> 00:10:59,984 Speaker 1: no rules. 247 00:11:00,304 --> 00:11:03,344 Speaker 2: The reason why he wanted her was because he's Russian 248 00:11:03,344 --> 00:11:05,784 Speaker 2: and he wanted someone to speak Russian. But she's like, 249 00:11:05,824 --> 00:11:07,784 Speaker 2: I don't like speaking Russian because I'm not too good 250 00:11:07,784 --> 00:11:10,144 Speaker 2: at it, but I can understand everything you're saying, which 251 00:11:10,184 --> 00:11:12,024 Speaker 2: I I really enjoyed because I felt like it was 252 00:11:12,184 --> 00:11:14,784 Speaker 2: just real. So you just see like a different dialect 253 00:11:14,824 --> 00:11:17,824 Speaker 2: of like him speaking Russian and her answering in englandh Yeah. 254 00:11:17,944 --> 00:11:21,224 Speaker 2: I think the vulnerability of the entire strip club is 255 00:11:21,264 --> 00:11:23,264 Speaker 2: just so interesting because you have these men there who 256 00:11:23,304 --> 00:11:26,904 Speaker 2: are literally being grinded on essentially having sex, and these women. 257 00:11:26,984 --> 00:11:29,464 Speaker 2: It's where it's so obvious they're just doing their job, kay, 258 00:11:29,664 --> 00:11:32,824 Speaker 2: and there's like no like flirty behavior going on with them, 259 00:11:32,864 --> 00:11:35,064 Speaker 2: like they're there to get their money and then just 260 00:11:35,104 --> 00:11:35,624 Speaker 2: go home. 261 00:11:35,744 --> 00:11:38,104 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's such a professional. Like the opening scene where 262 00:11:38,144 --> 00:11:40,224 Speaker 1: you see her kind of like working the club scene 263 00:11:40,264 --> 00:11:42,144 Speaker 1: and like getting the different men and they're doing the 264 00:11:42,264 --> 00:11:45,544 Speaker 1: dancing upstairs, and interestingly none of that was like planned 265 00:11:45,584 --> 00:11:48,224 Speaker 1: and choreographed. All those initial dance scenes where you see 266 00:11:48,264 --> 00:11:50,224 Speaker 1: like the women like grinding on the men, and also 267 00:11:50,304 --> 00:11:52,584 Speaker 1: you see Anora or Annie. I guess you know she's 268 00:11:52,704 --> 00:11:54,984 Speaker 1: like to be called Anora. You see Annie dancing on 269 00:11:55,024 --> 00:11:56,784 Speaker 1: the men all that sort of stuff. That was just 270 00:11:56,904 --> 00:11:59,024 Speaker 1: all like Mikey Madison saying like I just want to 271 00:11:59,024 --> 00:12:00,824 Speaker 1: come in and like Sean Baker working with her and 272 00:12:00,864 --> 00:12:03,664 Speaker 1: having like a small clothes set and them saying like, 273 00:12:03,984 --> 00:12:06,024 Speaker 1: we're not going to choreograph this and plan this of 274 00:12:06,064 --> 00:12:07,744 Speaker 1: like where she's gonna put her hands or how she's 275 00:12:07,784 --> 00:12:09,184 Speaker 1: gonna dance, what the men are gonna do. It was 276 00:12:09,224 --> 00:12:10,184 Speaker 1: just like a free for all. 277 00:12:10,384 --> 00:12:12,184 Speaker 2: So they don't have an intimate coordinator. 278 00:12:12,304 --> 00:12:14,744 Speaker 1: No, no, no. So that conversation obviously kicked off when 279 00:12:14,744 --> 00:12:16,744 Speaker 1: she and Pamela Anderson had that on the Actress an 280 00:12:16,744 --> 00:12:19,584 Speaker 1: Acres series. Yeah, but I don't think people realize how 281 00:12:19,664 --> 00:12:22,184 Speaker 1: much that extended to like the whole movie. So for 282 00:12:22,304 --> 00:12:24,424 Speaker 1: all the sex scenes and the dance scenes and all 283 00:12:24,464 --> 00:12:27,144 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff, there was no intimacy creator on set, 284 00:12:27,344 --> 00:12:29,544 Speaker 1: which depending on who you speak to, people have a 285 00:12:29,584 --> 00:12:30,904 Speaker 1: lot of different ideas around that. 286 00:12:31,264 --> 00:12:35,304 Speaker 2: But there are some explicit intimate scenes and also it's 287 00:12:35,344 --> 00:12:37,504 Speaker 2: like the dancers in the background and the male actors, 288 00:12:37,544 --> 00:12:38,744 Speaker 2: but also the people who are watching. 289 00:12:39,024 --> 00:12:41,624 Speaker 1: That was the big kind of pushback from people and 290 00:12:41,784 --> 00:12:45,344 Speaker 1: especially intimacy coordinators who waited on that whole controversy is 291 00:12:45,384 --> 00:12:47,864 Speaker 1: that they were saying the intimacy coordinator is not just 292 00:12:47,904 --> 00:12:50,264 Speaker 1: there for the lead actress. Obviously they're supposed to be 293 00:12:50,304 --> 00:12:53,024 Speaker 1: there for them in a huge way, but the actress 294 00:12:53,024 --> 00:12:57,104 Speaker 1: saying she doesn't feel she needs one, shouldn't negate someone 295 00:12:57,144 --> 00:13:00,064 Speaker 1: being on set because also other people, it's for the 296 00:13:00,064 --> 00:13:02,784 Speaker 1: camera people. It's for the extra who's been brought in 297 00:13:02,824 --> 00:13:05,144 Speaker 1: to be the man who's being danced on, Like it's 298 00:13:05,184 --> 00:13:07,064 Speaker 1: for the like the makeup people, and like it's for 299 00:13:07,104 --> 00:13:09,384 Speaker 1: the wardrobe people of like what they want to see 300 00:13:09,384 --> 00:13:11,784 Speaker 1: when they're dressing people. There's all these layers to it. 301 00:13:11,824 --> 00:13:14,384 Speaker 1: So in a way, I understand because Mikey Madison said, 302 00:13:14,384 --> 00:13:17,264 Speaker 1: like we were a really close knit tiny it's a 303 00:13:17,304 --> 00:13:20,104 Speaker 1: tiny cast, it's a tiny crew. They shot it over 304 00:13:20,144 --> 00:13:22,544 Speaker 1: thirty seven days. It was a lot of just like 305 00:13:22,584 --> 00:13:25,104 Speaker 1: people running around with cameras and places they rented, like 306 00:13:25,144 --> 00:13:27,904 Speaker 1: it wasn't a big production, and she thought an intimacy 307 00:13:27,944 --> 00:13:30,424 Speaker 1: coordinator would really take away from the magic and the 308 00:13:30,424 --> 00:13:33,344 Speaker 1: spontaneity of the filming experience. 309 00:13:33,424 --> 00:13:35,984 Speaker 2: So I remember, that's so specifically now you mention it, 310 00:13:35,984 --> 00:13:37,704 Speaker 2: because I remember it was like you could see in 311 00:13:37,704 --> 00:13:40,464 Speaker 2: Pamela Anderson's eyes going, you're offered that and you said no. 312 00:13:40,624 --> 00:13:42,664 Speaker 1: Yeah, She's like I've been fighting my whole career for that, 313 00:13:42,704 --> 00:13:45,184 Speaker 1: but okay, you come in, which I mean everything I've 314 00:13:45,224 --> 00:13:47,344 Speaker 1: heard this movie everyone did feel really safe and they're 315 00:13:47,344 --> 00:13:49,184 Speaker 1: a close cast, So maybe that's great, but I just 316 00:13:49,304 --> 00:13:52,464 Speaker 1: I think obviously it's a bigger conversation of as if 317 00:13:52,464 --> 00:13:54,104 Speaker 1: you want to be the one makeup artist who's like, well, 318 00:13:54,144 --> 00:13:56,624 Speaker 1: actually I would like it intimacy coordinator before I like 319 00:13:57,064 --> 00:14:00,344 Speaker 1: go and glue sequence onto this woman's fair breasts or something. 320 00:14:00,384 --> 00:14:02,944 Speaker 1: But so yeah, all that's just very loose in choreographed, 321 00:14:02,944 --> 00:14:05,744 Speaker 1: and it's an interesting introduction to all the characters because 322 00:14:06,144 --> 00:14:09,384 Speaker 1: you see any kind of like being very business like 323 00:14:09,424 --> 00:14:11,504 Speaker 1: when she's like trying to find clients when she's working 324 00:14:11,504 --> 00:14:13,144 Speaker 1: with them, and then you see her like interacting with 325 00:14:13,184 --> 00:14:15,104 Speaker 1: her co workers, and you see her go home and 326 00:14:15,184 --> 00:14:17,064 Speaker 1: she's just like anyone else's going home from a night 327 00:14:17,104 --> 00:14:19,064 Speaker 1: of work. Like just because it's stripping in sex work, 328 00:14:19,304 --> 00:14:22,224 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean she doesn't have a commute home, sleeps coffee. 329 00:14:22,224 --> 00:14:24,184 Speaker 1: The next dabeus being like, oh, we have to go 330 00:14:24,224 --> 00:14:26,544 Speaker 1: to work tonight. Like it's just it's very relatable. 331 00:14:26,784 --> 00:14:29,744 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think what you see straight up, especially 332 00:14:29,784 --> 00:14:32,944 Speaker 2: after her encounter with Ivan, is that because he's such 333 00:14:32,984 --> 00:14:36,024 Speaker 2: a young guy with so much money, it's like he 334 00:14:36,144 --> 00:14:38,544 Speaker 2: can't fathom that this is just a job for her. 335 00:14:38,904 --> 00:14:41,664 Speaker 2: He's very much like, oh, but like now we should 336 00:14:41,664 --> 00:14:44,704 Speaker 2: be together, obvies. So he offers her like fifteen thousand 337 00:14:44,784 --> 00:14:48,744 Speaker 2: dollars like USD dollars to spend the entire week with him. 338 00:14:48,864 --> 00:14:51,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that it obviously includes the sex work, but 339 00:14:51,384 --> 00:14:54,304 Speaker 1: it includes also like a girlfriend experience like hanging out, 340 00:14:54,384 --> 00:14:57,904 Speaker 1: coming to parties, talking together, playing games, which is where 341 00:14:58,024 --> 00:15:00,224 Speaker 1: the pretty woman in comparisons have come in in a 342 00:15:00,304 --> 00:15:02,504 Speaker 1: huge way. What do you think of those, because that's 343 00:15:02,504 --> 00:15:04,264 Speaker 1: become quite a controversial conversation. 344 00:15:04,544 --> 00:15:07,904 Speaker 2: I actually didn't see the comparison straight away, I think 345 00:15:07,944 --> 00:15:11,104 Speaker 2: because of the big age difference. But it's actually true 346 00:15:11,144 --> 00:15:15,064 Speaker 2: because with Ivan's case, like he is like the son 347 00:15:15,224 --> 00:15:19,384 Speaker 2: of a billionaire, but he is so extremely lonely, like 348 00:15:19,464 --> 00:15:21,584 Speaker 2: you never see him with friends, you never seen him 349 00:15:21,584 --> 00:15:22,624 Speaker 2: with his family until right. 350 00:15:22,544 --> 00:15:24,984 Speaker 1: At the end, Rigid Gear was lonely too, Yeah, he 351 00:15:25,064 --> 00:15:25,864 Speaker 1: was lonely as well. 352 00:15:25,904 --> 00:15:27,944 Speaker 2: But I think it's like a really good comparison because 353 00:15:28,304 --> 00:15:30,464 Speaker 2: you can see like both ends of the spectrum, Like 354 00:15:30,624 --> 00:15:32,944 Speaker 2: if you have that much money for a man, it 355 00:15:32,984 --> 00:15:35,024 Speaker 2: looks like you will always just be alone throughout your 356 00:15:35,224 --> 00:15:37,864 Speaker 2: entire life stage. It doesn't happen towards the end, and 357 00:15:37,904 --> 00:15:39,184 Speaker 2: it doesn't just happen at the beginning. 358 00:15:39,384 --> 00:15:41,784 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so true. It's interesting because a few times 359 00:15:41,784 --> 00:15:45,584 Speaker 1: when I especially when Rigidgee is lonely, Yeah, I was 360 00:15:45,624 --> 00:15:47,704 Speaker 1: like just just a cavia. I used to watch that 361 00:15:47,744 --> 00:15:49,544 Speaker 1: movie as a kid over and over and over again, 362 00:15:49,824 --> 00:15:54,864 Speaker 1: so weird, not realizing what was happening. My mum taped 363 00:15:54,904 --> 00:15:56,744 Speaker 1: out the sex scene because she taped off TV on 364 00:15:56,784 --> 00:15:59,024 Speaker 1: a VH, so she taped off the sex scene, so 365 00:15:59,024 --> 00:16:01,384 Speaker 1: it wasn't ntil. I was like twenty fivest like that said, 366 00:16:02,024 --> 00:16:05,704 Speaker 1: so I was almost like a producer before such amazing. 367 00:16:05,744 --> 00:16:07,624 Speaker 1: I watched it like a fairy tale, which I think 368 00:16:07,624 --> 00:16:09,464 Speaker 1: a lot of people think about Pretty Woman because it 369 00:16:09,544 --> 00:16:11,304 Speaker 1: is like it's meant to be like a classic rom 370 00:16:11,344 --> 00:16:14,104 Speaker 1: com until you're like it has been a lot. Yeah, 371 00:16:14,104 --> 00:16:15,624 Speaker 1: well that's kind of I think a lot of people 372 00:16:15,664 --> 00:16:18,904 Speaker 1: are quite angry about the comparison between Pretty Woman and Anora. 373 00:16:19,024 --> 00:16:23,144 Speaker 2: But who maybe our younger generation after romanticize this well, 374 00:16:23,144 --> 00:16:24,744 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I guess there are some moments in 375 00:16:24,784 --> 00:16:26,144 Speaker 2: this where you're like, oh, that seems fun. 376 00:16:26,344 --> 00:16:28,504 Speaker 1: I guess like maybe people are thinking we're looking at 377 00:16:28,544 --> 00:16:31,344 Speaker 1: these two movies on a surface level by comparing them. 378 00:16:31,424 --> 00:16:33,704 Speaker 1: So both of these movies had this idea that it's 379 00:16:33,744 --> 00:16:36,344 Speaker 1: like a stripper sex worker with a heart of gold 380 00:16:36,384 --> 00:16:39,264 Speaker 1: who's beautiful but doesn't know it, kind of gets swept 381 00:16:39,264 --> 00:16:42,024 Speaker 1: away by this rich man who you know, decides to 382 00:16:42,144 --> 00:16:44,344 Speaker 1: give her this life that she deserves and she gets 383 00:16:44,424 --> 00:16:47,624 Speaker 1: to kind of leave this like other life behind. And 384 00:16:47,664 --> 00:16:50,344 Speaker 1: I guess in Pretty Woman's case that does happen, like 385 00:16:50,344 --> 00:16:52,304 Speaker 1: they go off and get married and he like rescues 386 00:16:52,344 --> 00:16:55,264 Speaker 1: her quote unquote from sex Work. Whereas I think what 387 00:16:55,304 --> 00:16:57,344 Speaker 1: people get upset about is Anora is a much more 388 00:16:57,464 --> 00:17:00,184 Speaker 1: layered movie than that and obviously doesn't have a happy 389 00:17:00,304 --> 00:17:03,024 Speaker 1: ending spoiler alert for what's coming end of this podcast, 390 00:17:03,304 --> 00:17:05,784 Speaker 1: And so they feel like it's maybe doing a disservice 391 00:17:05,824 --> 00:17:08,944 Speaker 1: to Anora to say that it's a different version of 392 00:17:08,984 --> 00:17:11,904 Speaker 1: Pretty Woman, but insane. It's such an easy comparison to 393 00:17:11,984 --> 00:17:14,024 Speaker 1: quickly get people in. So like after it won all 394 00:17:14,064 --> 00:17:16,224 Speaker 1: the Oscars, so many people were saying to me like, 395 00:17:16,224 --> 00:17:18,144 Speaker 1: oh my god, what's Anura? Should I watch it? What's 396 00:17:18,184 --> 00:17:20,184 Speaker 1: it about? Like so many people, even though that one 397 00:17:20,344 --> 00:17:22,384 Speaker 1: picture from the office to remember that everyone's spun around 398 00:17:22,424 --> 00:17:24,264 Speaker 1: to you and me and they're like, what's Anra about it? 399 00:17:24,304 --> 00:17:25,664 Speaker 1: I'm like, first of all, you don't listen to this 400 00:17:25,664 --> 00:17:31,024 Speaker 1: spill a little shaming for our colleagues embosses. And second 401 00:17:31,064 --> 00:17:32,184 Speaker 1: of all, I was like, Oh, it's about this and this, 402 00:17:32,264 --> 00:17:34,264 Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, it's more like a hardcore pretty woman, 403 00:17:34,304 --> 00:17:37,104 Speaker 1: because it's just an easy way to explain it. Yeah, 404 00:17:37,184 --> 00:17:39,064 Speaker 1: that's why I understand why people are upset. 405 00:17:39,264 --> 00:17:43,184 Speaker 2: I think also what's upsetting with the comparison is the 406 00:17:43,264 --> 00:17:45,744 Speaker 2: idea of love. Because I think we're pretty women. You 407 00:17:45,744 --> 00:17:47,944 Speaker 2: can argue that they were genuinely in love with each. 408 00:17:47,744 --> 00:17:49,824 Speaker 1: Other, yeah, that they fall in love over that week. 409 00:17:49,744 --> 00:17:52,344 Speaker 2: Whereas an Anora you can easily see that that's not 410 00:17:52,384 --> 00:17:54,464 Speaker 2: the case for either of them. Like this twenty one 411 00:17:54,504 --> 00:17:56,904 Speaker 2: year old guy probably is in love with her what 412 00:17:56,984 --> 00:17:59,024 Speaker 2: he thinks is love, but that could have been anyone 413 00:17:59,024 --> 00:18:01,224 Speaker 2: who walked into that room when he met her and 414 00:18:01,264 --> 00:18:04,184 Speaker 2: he just needed someone, Like he's so young and he's 415 00:18:04,264 --> 00:18:06,064 Speaker 2: so vulnerable, and he has all this money that he 416 00:18:06,224 --> 00:18:08,904 Speaker 2: just wants someone there. And for her, she's in love 417 00:18:08,944 --> 00:18:11,544 Speaker 2: with the lifestyle that he could offer her, not necessarily him. 418 00:18:11,904 --> 00:18:14,744 Speaker 2: So when like it all blows up, she's mourning like 419 00:18:14,744 --> 00:18:18,104 Speaker 2: what her life could have been as a person exactly. 420 00:18:18,144 --> 00:18:20,024 Speaker 1: But I do think that's an interesting thing because that's 421 00:18:20,024 --> 00:18:21,864 Speaker 1: something that's come up as well, like was she in 422 00:18:21,864 --> 00:18:23,984 Speaker 1: love with his money or was she in love with him? 423 00:18:24,024 --> 00:18:25,944 Speaker 1: And I actually think it's a little bit of both. 424 00:18:26,264 --> 00:18:29,304 Speaker 1: Like I think initially obviously it's the money, but I 425 00:18:29,344 --> 00:18:33,024 Speaker 1: think once they spend time together and he's like at 426 00:18:33,104 --> 00:18:34,944 Speaker 1: first the sex is bad and she's having to kind 427 00:18:34,984 --> 00:18:37,104 Speaker 1: of teach him like no, no, do this, do that 428 00:18:37,104 --> 00:18:39,584 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, which if you're a sex worker, 429 00:18:40,104 --> 00:18:41,584 Speaker 1: you know you're there to kind of like work with 430 00:18:41,584 --> 00:18:43,704 Speaker 1: a client. So I think as they start having conversations 431 00:18:43,744 --> 00:18:45,984 Speaker 1: about their sex life, if it comes a bit more couply. 432 00:18:46,504 --> 00:18:49,224 Speaker 1: And what's also interesting is that Mikey Madison tried to 433 00:18:49,304 --> 00:18:51,784 Speaker 1: really put in the work when she was preparing to 434 00:18:51,824 --> 00:18:53,864 Speaker 1: be a sex worker. One thing is like she went 435 00:18:53,904 --> 00:18:55,624 Speaker 1: to like a stripper camp where she learned to do 436 00:18:55,664 --> 00:18:57,224 Speaker 1: all the pole dancing because she did all that in 437 00:18:57,264 --> 00:19:00,104 Speaker 1: the movie and was trained by a bunch of women 438 00:19:00,144 --> 00:19:03,024 Speaker 1: who do pole dancing. But she also like read a 439 00:19:03,064 --> 00:19:05,304 Speaker 1: lot about sex work. She talked to sex workers, and 440 00:19:05,344 --> 00:19:07,544 Speaker 1: something that people really loved her for at her Oscars 441 00:19:07,544 --> 00:19:10,624 Speaker 1: speech was that she thanked the sex worker community. People 442 00:19:10,624 --> 00:19:12,104 Speaker 1: get angry about and I'm like, get out of here. 443 00:19:12,664 --> 00:19:14,944 Speaker 1: You can't take their story and their experience. Why would 444 00:19:14,944 --> 00:19:17,264 Speaker 1: you make a movie? Or they're like, oh, she's glamorizing 445 00:19:17,304 --> 00:19:19,824 Speaker 1: sex work, and it's like, that's just thanking the people 446 00:19:20,224 --> 00:19:22,504 Speaker 1: who helped you out. Can you mention if she didn't 447 00:19:22,504 --> 00:19:25,344 Speaker 1: say anything and she took these women's stories, used it 448 00:19:25,384 --> 00:19:27,544 Speaker 1: for a movie, won an oscar, then didn't say anything, 449 00:19:28,104 --> 00:19:31,784 Speaker 1: It's like, not glad, it's also a real thing. This 450 00:19:31,904 --> 00:19:33,584 Speaker 1: is what kind of makes a story so compelling. I 451 00:19:33,584 --> 00:19:35,104 Speaker 1: think there is a moment there where she starts to 452 00:19:35,144 --> 00:19:37,664 Speaker 1: fall in love with the idea of like being taken 453 00:19:37,744 --> 00:19:40,384 Speaker 1: care of, and you know, he's telling her even though 454 00:19:40,384 --> 00:19:42,584 Speaker 1: he's a creepy little kid a lot of the time, 455 00:19:42,664 --> 00:19:45,624 Speaker 1: Like once they start talking and he's asking her questions 456 00:19:45,624 --> 00:19:49,024 Speaker 1: about herself, and once Avinya starts really kind of you know, 457 00:19:49,224 --> 00:19:51,144 Speaker 1: talking to her and sort of like, I want us 458 00:19:51,184 --> 00:19:52,544 Speaker 1: to be married, I wantus to be a couple. You 459 00:19:52,544 --> 00:19:54,384 Speaker 1: can sort of see that she loves the idea of 460 00:19:54,424 --> 00:19:57,024 Speaker 1: being in a partnership and being taken care of and 461 00:19:57,064 --> 00:19:59,624 Speaker 1: someone sort of seeing who she is as much as 462 00:19:59,624 --> 00:20:02,464 Speaker 1: she's also loving all the money because half the time, like, yes, 463 00:20:02,504 --> 00:20:04,144 Speaker 1: they go off and do crazy things up most of 464 00:20:04,184 --> 00:20:07,184 Speaker 1: the time they're either having sex upstairs all their downsairs 465 00:20:07,184 --> 00:20:10,344 Speaker 1: on the couch and she's watching him play video games. 466 00:20:10,464 --> 00:20:13,664 Speaker 1: To love someone for that, that's true. At least Richard 467 00:20:13,704 --> 00:20:16,064 Speaker 1: Gere has taken her to the polo and on private jet. 468 00:20:16,184 --> 00:20:16,704 Speaker 1: So maybe she. 469 00:20:16,744 --> 00:20:18,744 Speaker 2: Loves just doing nothing because I feel like it would 470 00:20:18,784 --> 00:20:20,104 Speaker 2: have been the first time in her life where she 471 00:20:20,384 --> 00:20:21,704 Speaker 2: had the privilege of just doing that. 472 00:20:22,024 --> 00:20:24,224 Speaker 1: Most things she's just lying on his chest, talking to him, 473 00:20:24,224 --> 00:20:25,944 Speaker 1: and a few times she's like is this all we're doing? 474 00:20:26,144 --> 00:20:28,904 Speaker 1: But mostly I think it's that safety. Also, as the 475 00:20:28,944 --> 00:20:31,664 Speaker 1: next sesson we're getting into when it gets found out 476 00:20:31,704 --> 00:20:34,704 Speaker 1: what's happened all the Russian henchmen arrive. One thing she 477 00:20:34,744 --> 00:20:36,624 Speaker 1: gets really upset about is she's like, this is my house, 478 00:20:36,664 --> 00:20:38,704 Speaker 1: this is my house, like she's found this safe place. 479 00:20:39,064 --> 00:20:42,144 Speaker 1: And when the Henchman come in, which is a great scene, 480 00:20:42,944 --> 00:20:44,864 Speaker 1: I think that's when things get sort of messed up. 481 00:20:46,104 --> 00:20:49,064 Speaker 1: So the henchman scene, can I just say, I've never 482 00:20:49,104 --> 00:20:51,744 Speaker 1: seen you react to a scene in a movie like before, 483 00:20:51,784 --> 00:20:53,464 Speaker 1: and I've watched you in one of my hope things 484 00:20:53,504 --> 00:20:54,784 Speaker 1: to do in a movie is to watch the movie, 485 00:20:54,784 --> 00:20:57,824 Speaker 1: but to watch Emily because you just have a visceral reaction, 486 00:20:58,024 --> 00:21:00,584 Speaker 1: like the last Magic Mike movie where I looked over 487 00:21:00,664 --> 00:21:03,184 Speaker 1: and you just slipped off your chair and you curled 488 00:21:03,224 --> 00:21:06,784 Speaker 1: into a little boar law. I don't like that, Maybe 489 00:21:07,784 --> 00:21:10,144 Speaker 1: because you were upset by the naked man even though 490 00:21:10,144 --> 00:21:12,504 Speaker 1: it was just one bear chest. There was no nudity 491 00:21:12,504 --> 00:21:12,864 Speaker 1: in that moment. 492 00:21:12,904 --> 00:21:14,464 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you should have seen me in one 493 00:21:14,504 --> 00:21:17,064 Speaker 2: of them days you lost it. 494 00:21:18,024 --> 00:21:20,144 Speaker 1: Mostly started to get to see your reaction. So we're 495 00:21:20,144 --> 00:21:24,264 Speaker 1: watching Anura, We're all into it and loving like everything 496 00:21:24,344 --> 00:21:28,264 Speaker 1: about the movie. And then obviously once Annie and Vanya 497 00:21:28,344 --> 00:21:30,264 Speaker 1: are in their little love bubble and it gets found 498 00:21:30,264 --> 00:21:32,304 Speaker 1: out and the henchmen arrived, then the movie kind of 499 00:21:32,384 --> 00:21:35,904 Speaker 1: kicks into this like action overdrive. You were like laughing 500 00:21:35,944 --> 00:21:38,464 Speaker 1: so hard, you were making the cinema chairs because they 501 00:21:38,504 --> 00:21:40,384 Speaker 1: were joined together shake so hard. 502 00:21:40,584 --> 00:21:44,384 Speaker 2: It was the best scene I've ever experienced in my life. 503 00:21:44,424 --> 00:21:46,784 Speaker 2: So they just get back from Vegas. They got married 504 00:21:46,824 --> 00:21:51,024 Speaker 2: in Vegas. His parents find out about the marriage, so 505 00:21:51,064 --> 00:21:53,864 Speaker 2: they send his godfather, who was in this church. 506 00:21:55,064 --> 00:21:57,224 Speaker 1: I think performing a baptism or something, and he just 507 00:21:57,304 --> 00:21:58,984 Speaker 1: kind of flicks some more of the baby. He's like, oh, 508 00:21:59,024 --> 00:22:01,504 Speaker 1: you'll be fine, call you and. 509 00:22:01,504 --> 00:22:03,144 Speaker 2: Saying you have to get you right now. You do it. 510 00:22:03,624 --> 00:22:07,624 Speaker 2: So these three men, basically we have the godfather, who 511 00:22:07,704 --> 00:22:08,264 Speaker 2: I guess. 512 00:22:08,064 --> 00:22:10,304 Speaker 1: Is the leader, the leader of the henchman. 513 00:22:10,544 --> 00:22:14,264 Speaker 2: Then these two henchmen come to the mansion because they 514 00:22:14,304 --> 00:22:18,184 Speaker 2: have to convince Ivan and Annie to get an annulment, 515 00:22:18,224 --> 00:22:20,384 Speaker 2: to annul the wedding. They can't do it a divorce 516 00:22:20,424 --> 00:22:22,944 Speaker 2: because that'll be a strain on their family's name, so 517 00:22:22,984 --> 00:22:27,064 Speaker 2: it has to be a nullment, and then chaos absolutely insues. 518 00:22:27,144 --> 00:22:29,024 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, insane. 519 00:22:29,464 --> 00:22:32,504 Speaker 2: So what I really liked about this scene was that 520 00:22:33,544 --> 00:22:38,384 Speaker 2: immediately Annie starts fighting with them, like she is immediately angry. 521 00:22:38,504 --> 00:22:41,784 Speaker 2: She doesn't want these men in her house. Ivan's kind 522 00:22:41,784 --> 00:22:43,984 Speaker 2: of like angry at the start, and then you see 523 00:22:43,984 --> 00:22:46,264 Speaker 2: it tapering away when he realizes that this is real, 524 00:22:46,664 --> 00:22:49,384 Speaker 2: but she's just so so aggressive, and then it's one 525 00:22:49,424 --> 00:22:51,424 Speaker 2: of those things where the audience has to work out 526 00:22:51,464 --> 00:22:54,304 Speaker 2: the level of danger they're in, yeah, which I thought 527 00:22:54,344 --> 00:22:57,424 Speaker 2: was really interesting because you see so many movies and 528 00:22:57,464 --> 00:23:00,624 Speaker 2: TV shows with these big, like fight scenes and these 529 00:23:00,664 --> 00:23:04,024 Speaker 2: physical brawls, and they're either really really quick or really 530 00:23:04,064 --> 00:23:08,224 Speaker 2: really gory and overdrawn, really scary, and this one was 531 00:23:08,264 --> 00:23:11,024 Speaker 2: just the perfect in between, because you're like, who are 532 00:23:11,064 --> 00:23:13,864 Speaker 2: these henchmen? Are they actually really dangerous? Will they actually 533 00:23:13,944 --> 00:23:16,144 Speaker 2: hurt her? Will they actually do something worse and hurt her? 534 00:23:16,704 --> 00:23:19,744 Speaker 2: And what happens is that she just takes control of 535 00:23:19,784 --> 00:23:23,144 Speaker 2: the situation. She just tarts beating the hell out of 536 00:23:23,184 --> 00:23:27,224 Speaker 2: these fully grown men. And because they're so scared, and 537 00:23:27,304 --> 00:23:30,224 Speaker 2: also they're like, I guess we can say that in 538 00:23:30,264 --> 00:23:32,784 Speaker 2: their heart, they're nice men. Yeah, So they don't want 539 00:23:32,824 --> 00:23:35,144 Speaker 2: to physically hurt her, so all they do is just 540 00:23:35,144 --> 00:23:37,544 Speaker 2: try to restrain her, which is another form of like 541 00:23:37,624 --> 00:23:38,664 Speaker 2: physically hurting a woman. 542 00:23:38,784 --> 00:23:38,944 Speaker 1: Yeah. 543 00:23:38,984 --> 00:23:42,624 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's just so bloody funny the way she 544 00:23:42,664 --> 00:23:45,544 Speaker 2: fights versus the way and some of. 545 00:23:45,544 --> 00:23:47,104 Speaker 1: The way thing like some part of your brain is 546 00:23:47,104 --> 00:23:50,784 Speaker 1: telling you this woman is being like attacked, they're restraining her. 547 00:23:50,864 --> 00:23:54,504 Speaker 1: She's screaming, she's terrified. Yet we are in the audience 548 00:23:54,544 --> 00:23:58,024 Speaker 1: are hysterically screaming laughing because I think just the absurdity 549 00:23:58,024 --> 00:24:00,504 Speaker 1: of the situation and also just the way like that 550 00:24:00,624 --> 00:24:02,744 Speaker 1: is masterful, that whole scene. 551 00:24:02,784 --> 00:24:04,504 Speaker 2: So it took because so you can tell they've never 552 00:24:04,584 --> 00:24:05,424 Speaker 2: done this before. 553 00:24:05,704 --> 00:24:07,664 Speaker 1: I know, they're like the is ye, like the do't 554 00:24:07,664 --> 00:24:08,984 Speaker 1: want to go. It's like put her hands behind her 555 00:24:08,984 --> 00:24:10,304 Speaker 1: back not in the front, like and then she's like 556 00:24:10,384 --> 00:24:12,544 Speaker 1: breaks his nose and it's a whole thing. So that 557 00:24:12,584 --> 00:24:15,344 Speaker 1: whole scene is twenty eight minutes long, which could have 558 00:24:15,384 --> 00:24:17,904 Speaker 1: been another twenty minutes no I know, but usually for 559 00:24:17,984 --> 00:24:20,224 Speaker 1: a movie that would be like literally five minutes. Like 560 00:24:20,264 --> 00:24:22,664 Speaker 1: that is crazy to have a scene like that be 561 00:24:22,784 --> 00:24:26,424 Speaker 1: twenty eight minutes in a movie, but it just works 562 00:24:26,464 --> 00:24:28,624 Speaker 1: so well. It took eight days to shoot and they 563 00:24:28,704 --> 00:24:31,344 Speaker 1: only shot for thirty seven days, so that's like quite 564 00:24:31,424 --> 00:24:34,104 Speaker 1: a bit of chunk of time. And they were just 565 00:24:34,144 --> 00:24:37,224 Speaker 1: like again, nothing planned, nothing. They were obviously scripting in 566 00:24:37,264 --> 00:24:38,864 Speaker 1: there and some kind of idea of what they were 567 00:24:38,864 --> 00:24:41,384 Speaker 1: going to do, but most of it it's wonder someone 568 00:24:41,424 --> 00:24:43,984 Speaker 1: to get their nose broken for real, glass, It was 569 00:24:44,024 --> 00:24:46,384 Speaker 1: a lot of improv In fact, that whole scene that 570 00:24:46,464 --> 00:24:49,464 Speaker 1: Mikey Madison's yelling, all the swearing and all that, like 571 00:24:49,504 --> 00:24:52,384 Speaker 1: that first big screaming stuff she does is all improvised. 572 00:24:52,464 --> 00:24:54,544 Speaker 2: That makes sense because those men genuinely look at. 573 00:24:54,544 --> 00:24:58,544 Speaker 1: It so terrified. I know one of the other henchmen 574 00:24:58,664 --> 00:25:00,664 Speaker 1: like he's a comedian, like this is his first big 575 00:25:00,664 --> 00:25:01,224 Speaker 1: acting role. 576 00:25:01,224 --> 00:25:04,024 Speaker 2: He's probably like he what the funniest life is the 577 00:25:04,024 --> 00:25:04,904 Speaker 2: one who got his nose? 578 00:25:05,744 --> 00:25:05,984 Speaker 1: Yeah. 579 00:25:06,024 --> 00:25:08,864 Speaker 2: And because it's a movie unlike like other like I guess, 580 00:25:08,864 --> 00:25:11,664 Speaker 2: like comedy slapstick movies where like a guy gets his 581 00:25:11,784 --> 00:25:14,304 Speaker 2: nose broken and then two seconds later it suddenly fixed. Yeah, 582 00:25:14,344 --> 00:25:16,824 Speaker 2: his nose is like a big pain point throughout the 583 00:25:16,904 --> 00:25:18,464 Speaker 2: hole the rest of the film. 584 00:25:18,544 --> 00:25:20,584 Speaker 1: Most of the film is in twenty four hours, which 585 00:25:20,624 --> 00:25:23,144 Speaker 1: is so crazy that so much happens. And I really 586 00:25:23,224 --> 00:25:25,584 Speaker 1: understand when Shaalon Baker got up on that Oscar stage 587 00:25:25,584 --> 00:25:27,824 Speaker 1: when he won the Oscar for Best Editing, and that 588 00:25:27,944 --> 00:25:30,024 Speaker 1: was what he looked most excited for, and he's like, yeah, 589 00:25:30,064 --> 00:25:34,104 Speaker 1: this movie was a fucking painful thing to edit. He's like, 590 00:25:34,184 --> 00:25:36,704 Speaker 1: it was a terrible movie before I edited it. And 591 00:25:36,704 --> 00:25:38,184 Speaker 1: this is why it's one an Oscar and I would 592 00:25:38,184 --> 00:25:41,704 Speaker 1: believe that because imagine having eight days of footage of 593 00:25:41,744 --> 00:25:44,344 Speaker 1: those people just screaming and throwing each other across the 594 00:25:44,424 --> 00:25:46,384 Speaker 1: room and then sitting down and being like, how to 595 00:25:46,464 --> 00:25:48,424 Speaker 1: make this linear and into a movie scene? 596 00:25:48,424 --> 00:25:50,184 Speaker 2: And how eight days to thirty minutes. 597 00:25:50,384 --> 00:25:54,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, So that's incredible. Interestingly, the only injury that 598 00:25:54,264 --> 00:25:57,584 Speaker 1: happened on the whole set, there was one injury, but 599 00:25:57,584 --> 00:25:59,704 Speaker 1: it wasn't when people were throwing each other across couches 600 00:25:59,744 --> 00:26:01,224 Speaker 1: or kicking each other in the face wing like that. 601 00:26:01,464 --> 00:26:04,304 Speaker 1: It was when Mikey Madison's character is having the fight 602 00:26:04,384 --> 00:26:06,624 Speaker 1: with the other stripper in the strip club and they're 603 00:26:06,624 --> 00:26:10,584 Speaker 1: punching each other and Mikey Madison's nail snapped off. Then 604 00:26:10,744 --> 00:26:13,504 Speaker 1: you're a bozziv who also got an Oscar nomination for this, 605 00:26:13,584 --> 00:26:16,744 Speaker 1: which he just looked like so thrilled, which was I 606 00:26:16,824 --> 00:26:18,864 Speaker 1: kind of want him to win. But Kieran Coulkin, it 607 00:26:18,864 --> 00:26:20,824 Speaker 1: was hard because Karen Colchin was technically the lead of 608 00:26:20,824 --> 00:26:21,224 Speaker 1: his movie. 609 00:26:21,264 --> 00:26:24,904 Speaker 2: He loved being there, like the photos of him on 610 00:26:24,944 --> 00:26:27,424 Speaker 2: the red car, butre just posing with like random objects 611 00:26:27,424 --> 00:26:28,864 Speaker 2: in the background. It's so funny. 612 00:26:28,944 --> 00:26:30,624 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, yeah, you go from being like a 613 00:26:30,784 --> 00:26:33,544 Speaker 1: working actor but nothing like this to having your first 614 00:26:33,584 --> 00:26:36,504 Speaker 1: big movie role get you an Oscar nomination. It's pretty huge. 615 00:26:36,704 --> 00:26:39,224 Speaker 1: So in the fight scene between the two strippers, Mikey 616 00:26:39,224 --> 00:26:40,984 Speaker 1: Madison like, you know, you snap your nail off so 617 00:26:41,104 --> 00:26:44,184 Speaker 1: hard that it hurts. Yes, So he carried around now 618 00:26:44,224 --> 00:26:46,624 Speaker 1: glow in his pocket and it kept coming off or filming, 619 00:26:46,864 --> 00:26:48,304 Speaker 1: so you like gluw it back on for her. 620 00:26:48,584 --> 00:26:51,144 Speaker 2: That's what his character would have. I know, yeah, that's 621 00:26:51,184 --> 00:26:51,824 Speaker 2: really I know. 622 00:26:51,944 --> 00:26:54,824 Speaker 1: As I started thinking Igor and Annie going to like 623 00:26:54,904 --> 00:26:57,384 Speaker 1: kind of get together, I was like, no, no, that's 624 00:26:57,424 --> 00:27:00,904 Speaker 1: so weird. He tied her up, and he's a goon 625 00:27:01,104 --> 00:27:03,384 Speaker 1: and he's not even like a conventionally good looking mood. 626 00:27:05,024 --> 00:27:07,664 Speaker 1: So as you see their relationship developed through the movie, 627 00:27:07,904 --> 00:27:10,824 Speaker 1: you're just like, this is a but also like it worked. 628 00:27:10,944 --> 00:27:13,344 Speaker 2: It worked, and I think it was like so reflective 629 00:27:13,864 --> 00:27:16,264 Speaker 2: of real life, Like he's the only one who kind 630 00:27:16,304 --> 00:27:20,144 Speaker 2: of showed her kindness. Yeah, but like without anyone else 631 00:27:20,144 --> 00:27:20,544 Speaker 2: seeing it. 632 00:27:20,784 --> 00:27:21,704 Speaker 1: Yeah, in a way, And. 633 00:27:21,624 --> 00:27:24,704 Speaker 2: I thought that was really cleverly done. But I think 634 00:27:24,744 --> 00:27:28,064 Speaker 2: we need to talk about the parents. Oh yeah, the 635 00:27:28,184 --> 00:27:31,704 Speaker 2: parents who when the henchman couldn't get the job done. 636 00:27:31,784 --> 00:27:36,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just having like laughing and just remembering this. 637 00:27:36,624 --> 00:27:39,224 Speaker 1: All they had to do was I mean, they had 638 00:27:39,224 --> 00:27:41,064 Speaker 1: a lot to do fair on them and they couldn't 639 00:27:41,064 --> 00:27:41,544 Speaker 1: find that. 640 00:27:41,624 --> 00:27:43,464 Speaker 2: Yeah, they couldn't find him for the longest time. 641 00:27:43,584 --> 00:27:45,424 Speaker 1: That was the funniest road tip of watching Annie have 642 00:27:45,464 --> 00:27:47,464 Speaker 1: to sort of work with the henchman to the point 643 00:27:47,464 --> 00:27:49,664 Speaker 1: where she was the one breaking apart that store with 644 00:27:49,704 --> 00:27:51,424 Speaker 1: their friends being like, where is he? Because you can 645 00:27:51,464 --> 00:27:53,104 Speaker 1: see the That's what I mean. That's why I think 646 00:27:53,104 --> 00:27:55,784 Speaker 1: she had genuine feelings for him, because during that whole thing, 647 00:27:55,824 --> 00:27:57,984 Speaker 1: even though he ran away and left her, during that 648 00:27:58,024 --> 00:27:59,864 Speaker 1: whole thing they're searching, you can see in her head 649 00:27:59,864 --> 00:28:02,504 Speaker 1: she's thinking, as soon as we find Evan, like, he's 650 00:28:02,504 --> 00:28:04,264 Speaker 1: going to fix this. He's gonna tell them her husband 651 00:28:04,264 --> 00:28:04,984 Speaker 1: and wife, Like that's. 652 00:28:04,864 --> 00:28:07,184 Speaker 2: Why she's one years old, has. 653 00:28:08,584 --> 00:28:11,304 Speaker 1: Life and also yeah, like a rich baby who's never 654 00:28:11,344 --> 00:28:13,064 Speaker 1: had to care about anyone in his life. Of course 655 00:28:13,064 --> 00:28:15,704 Speaker 1: he's not going to care about In her head, she 656 00:28:15,824 --> 00:28:18,144 Speaker 1: wants to find him so that he can tell them 657 00:28:18,144 --> 00:28:20,344 Speaker 1: that they're going to be married. There's no doubt in 658 00:28:20,344 --> 00:28:22,304 Speaker 1: her head until they find him. Then that she's going 659 00:28:22,384 --> 00:28:24,144 Speaker 1: to be safe, which I think adds to the kind 660 00:28:24,144 --> 00:28:25,664 Speaker 1: of sadness of it all. 661 00:28:25,864 --> 00:28:29,144 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think the tone changes very quickly from 662 00:28:29,184 --> 00:28:31,264 Speaker 2: like us laughing about their road trip, trying to find 663 00:28:31,304 --> 00:28:35,864 Speaker 2: them and parking in the audience and just walking for 664 00:28:35,904 --> 00:28:40,184 Speaker 2: like twenty minutes instead of driving. And then they find him. 665 00:28:40,304 --> 00:28:42,984 Speaker 2: He is in the strip club. He is of his face, 666 00:28:43,064 --> 00:28:45,984 Speaker 2: he's being stripped on by her nemesis. 667 00:28:46,344 --> 00:28:47,864 Speaker 1: And that was the hard thing too, because when she 668 00:28:47,984 --> 00:28:50,104 Speaker 1: leaves the strip club, it's like we're getting married. That's 669 00:28:50,104 --> 00:28:52,384 Speaker 1: probably the most pretty woman moment of it. Always she's like, 670 00:28:52,424 --> 00:28:53,984 Speaker 1: I'm out of here. I'm going to go live this big, 671 00:28:54,024 --> 00:28:57,264 Speaker 1: beautiful wife. And so when she finds out that he's 672 00:28:57,264 --> 00:29:00,104 Speaker 1: gone back to her formal workplace and he's with the 673 00:29:00,144 --> 00:29:02,304 Speaker 1: stripper who was like her name's Diamond. I think she 674 00:29:02,344 --> 00:29:03,864 Speaker 1: was friends with all the other girls that this one 675 00:29:04,024 --> 00:29:07,384 Speaker 1: girl with. Yeah, and then they have a fight, and 676 00:29:07,424 --> 00:29:10,304 Speaker 1: it's this extra level of humiliation that I think really 677 00:29:10,464 --> 00:29:11,624 Speaker 1: cuts her to the core as. 678 00:29:11,464 --> 00:29:14,304 Speaker 2: Well, especially her big like goodbye to the strip club, 679 00:29:14,384 --> 00:29:17,664 Speaker 2: right did this? They had this massive farewell for her, saying, 680 00:29:17,744 --> 00:29:19,224 Speaker 2: oh my god, she's off to be married. She doesn't 681 00:29:19,224 --> 00:29:21,864 Speaker 2: need to be here anywhere, and then she like her 682 00:29:21,944 --> 00:29:24,624 Speaker 2: husband is now back in this strip club and she 683 00:29:24,664 --> 00:29:27,624 Speaker 2: has to have this fight. And then they finally get 684 00:29:27,624 --> 00:29:31,264 Speaker 2: them together. They drive to the courthouse to get the 685 00:29:31,624 --> 00:29:36,464 Speaker 2: marriage and nulled, and the parents are there meeting them, and. 686 00:29:36,424 --> 00:29:38,424 Speaker 1: They can't get it ann oled because they got married 687 00:29:38,464 --> 00:29:40,784 Speaker 1: in a different state, which is this is the point 688 00:29:40,784 --> 00:29:43,424 Speaker 1: where you feel for like the lead henchmen, where you 689 00:29:43,504 --> 00:29:46,464 Speaker 1: really feel for Touros because he's like, oh my god, 690 00:29:46,504 --> 00:29:48,624 Speaker 1: what do you mean they can't get this annulled? And 691 00:29:48,664 --> 00:29:50,824 Speaker 1: then we have the scene going on the private plane, 692 00:29:50,864 --> 00:29:53,864 Speaker 1: and it's such a brutal kind of shift from her 693 00:29:53,864 --> 00:29:55,624 Speaker 1: first initial days with him when it was all like 694 00:29:55,744 --> 00:29:59,584 Speaker 1: private planes and luxury and beautiful hotels, and that scene 695 00:29:59,584 --> 00:30:02,024 Speaker 1: where they're getting on the private plane to go and 696 00:30:02,024 --> 00:30:04,184 Speaker 1: have it an old where she's like to him, are 697 00:30:04,224 --> 00:30:05,744 Speaker 1: you gonna do this? You're really gonna do this? And 698 00:30:05,784 --> 00:30:08,704 Speaker 1: he turns on her, we are a fucking man, and 699 00:30:08,824 --> 00:30:12,304 Speaker 1: talk to me, what do you want me to see? 700 00:30:13,184 --> 00:30:14,104 Speaker 1: I can't understand that. 701 00:30:14,224 --> 00:30:18,424 Speaker 2: Now we must go in the fucking plane and flying 702 00:30:18,464 --> 00:30:19,504 Speaker 2: the fucking vigos. 703 00:30:20,984 --> 00:30:21,384 Speaker 1: Get it? 704 00:30:23,064 --> 00:30:23,624 Speaker 2: You get it? 705 00:30:24,464 --> 00:30:25,664 Speaker 1: So we're getting a divorce. 706 00:30:26,984 --> 00:30:28,064 Speaker 2: Of course he's. 707 00:30:27,984 --> 00:30:31,064 Speaker 1: Stupid, because until then he's either been like very loving 708 00:30:31,104 --> 00:30:33,264 Speaker 1: to her or just being out of it. And it's 709 00:30:33,304 --> 00:30:35,704 Speaker 1: the first time he's like to her, are you fucking stupid? Like, 710 00:30:35,744 --> 00:30:36,904 Speaker 1: of course we're not married. 711 00:30:37,104 --> 00:30:39,064 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's also the first time he talked to 712 00:30:39,144 --> 00:30:42,264 Speaker 2: her like he ran away after she got tied up. 713 00:30:42,304 --> 00:30:43,784 Speaker 1: And the whole time she's been thinking, if I can 714 00:30:43,824 --> 00:30:45,464 Speaker 1: just talk to him, if I can just like tell him, 715 00:30:45,504 --> 00:30:48,144 Speaker 1: He'll tell them we're married. And also when she goes 716 00:30:48,224 --> 00:30:50,464 Speaker 1: up to his mother and was like, Hi, I'm so 717 00:30:50,504 --> 00:30:52,464 Speaker 1: happy to be part of your family and so nice 718 00:30:52,504 --> 00:30:54,064 Speaker 1: to meet you, I was like, oh my god, I 719 00:30:54,144 --> 00:30:56,024 Speaker 1: nearly I was like your magic might I only slid 720 00:30:56,024 --> 00:30:58,064 Speaker 1: off my chair into a power the floor, like the 721 00:30:58,144 --> 00:31:00,344 Speaker 1: second hand stress I have for this woman right now. 722 00:31:00,784 --> 00:31:02,744 Speaker 1: And you just see that evil look come over the 723 00:31:02,784 --> 00:31:04,504 Speaker 1: mother's face and she just looks at her like she's 724 00:31:04,504 --> 00:31:07,304 Speaker 1: a peak of trash and they never stop thinking she's 725 00:31:07,344 --> 00:31:07,944 Speaker 1: trash all the way. 726 00:31:08,064 --> 00:31:11,704 Speaker 2: And like the issue was like him something scrasfuable way though, 727 00:31:11,784 --> 00:31:13,904 Speaker 2: that's so sad, and the issue with him and his 728 00:31:13,984 --> 00:31:17,064 Speaker 2: mom is so weird, like he is obsessed with his mom. 729 00:31:17,224 --> 00:31:19,664 Speaker 2: She's like coddling him, and he's like putting his head 730 00:31:19,704 --> 00:31:21,584 Speaker 2: in her lap and she's like stroking his head. 731 00:31:21,744 --> 00:31:23,984 Speaker 1: Oh, it's so creepy. And just everything with that family, 732 00:31:24,024 --> 00:31:25,584 Speaker 1: like all the things. This is not really like a 733 00:31:25,584 --> 00:31:27,784 Speaker 1: costume movie, Like it's meant to be kind of very 734 00:31:27,824 --> 00:31:30,064 Speaker 1: like low fire in that way, but I think everyone's 735 00:31:30,104 --> 00:31:32,224 Speaker 1: kind of costuming in that the family comes in, they're 736 00:31:32,264 --> 00:31:34,864 Speaker 1: not dressed anything decadent, but they just had that very old, 737 00:31:34,944 --> 00:31:38,984 Speaker 1: old money look about them. Whereas Annie, with that character, 738 00:31:39,104 --> 00:31:41,944 Speaker 1: they tried to really make her look like Mikey Madison 739 00:31:41,984 --> 00:31:44,224 Speaker 1: went and lived in that part of Brooklyn before filming 740 00:31:44,264 --> 00:31:45,984 Speaker 1: to kind of get a vibe for it. They also 741 00:31:46,024 --> 00:31:47,664 Speaker 1: went and brought just a bunch of cheap makeup, but 742 00:31:47,704 --> 00:31:49,144 Speaker 1: I think she did a lot of it herself. She 743 00:31:49,224 --> 00:31:51,464 Speaker 1: was saying, so she wanted to look like it was 744 00:31:51,544 --> 00:31:53,304 Speaker 1: just a girl in her twenties who would just be 745 00:31:53,784 --> 00:31:56,184 Speaker 1: putting on like this eyeliner, Like it's not right, this 746 00:31:56,264 --> 00:31:58,624 Speaker 1: eye shadow, the tinsel in her hair at the start, 747 00:31:58,664 --> 00:32:00,024 Speaker 1: Like that's just like kind of a fun thing they 748 00:32:00,064 --> 00:32:01,984 Speaker 1: found to do. It was all meant to look like 749 00:32:02,064 --> 00:32:05,024 Speaker 1: everything you could just do yourself, and also very reminiscent 750 00:32:05,064 --> 00:32:06,864 Speaker 1: of what they would walk around and see the real 751 00:32:06,904 --> 00:32:09,944 Speaker 1: life women in that area wearing before they started filming. 752 00:32:09,944 --> 00:32:13,344 Speaker 1: But it's such a stark contrast with this rich, terrible family. 753 00:32:13,544 --> 00:32:16,624 Speaker 2: Oh they did that part so well. And the private 754 00:32:16,704 --> 00:32:19,824 Speaker 2: jet plane, like it just made me feel so sick. 755 00:32:20,184 --> 00:32:22,424 Speaker 2: And it was like that huge contrast of like her 756 00:32:22,584 --> 00:32:24,304 Speaker 2: being on a private jet for the first time and 757 00:32:24,304 --> 00:32:26,944 Speaker 2: then just hating it, yeah the whole time. And then 758 00:32:26,984 --> 00:32:29,544 Speaker 2: they get to the office and my absolute favorite scene 759 00:32:29,624 --> 00:32:33,464 Speaker 2: is where she signs the papers, she accepts her fate. 760 00:32:33,544 --> 00:32:36,864 Speaker 2: She signs the papers, she only gets ten k for it. 761 00:32:36,904 --> 00:32:39,064 Speaker 2: She doesn't even get the wedding ring. Yeah, she has 762 00:32:39,104 --> 00:32:41,144 Speaker 2: ten k, and then she just gives it to him 763 00:32:41,184 --> 00:32:42,864 Speaker 2: in front of his parents, in front of that poor 764 00:32:42,904 --> 00:32:46,944 Speaker 2: lawyer like taking all this and his dad is just cackling. 765 00:32:47,184 --> 00:32:49,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, because like which I kind of almost a lot 766 00:32:49,424 --> 00:32:50,544 Speaker 1: of people like, oh my god, I love the dad. 767 00:32:50,584 --> 00:32:51,944 Speaker 1: The dad's on her side. I'm like, the dad is 768 00:32:51,944 --> 00:32:53,904 Speaker 1: not on her side. The dad's even worse than the mom, 769 00:32:53,904 --> 00:32:56,424 Speaker 1: because at least the mom hates her and things she's trash, 770 00:32:56,464 --> 00:32:58,464 Speaker 1: but the mom is at least like this is like 771 00:32:58,544 --> 00:33:00,424 Speaker 1: a proper issue to deal with, and this woman is 772 00:33:00,464 --> 00:33:02,104 Speaker 1: being difficult and she's not going to give up, but 773 00:33:02,104 --> 00:33:04,584 Speaker 1: I have to push her. The dad thinks that Annie 774 00:33:04,664 --> 00:33:07,344 Speaker 1: is like literally less than a piece of dirt, as 775 00:33:07,424 --> 00:33:09,304 Speaker 1: he's going to forget about her too. Yeah, exactly. He 776 00:33:09,304 --> 00:33:10,904 Speaker 1: doesn't think this is a big deal because he thinks 777 00:33:10,944 --> 00:33:12,824 Speaker 1: she's nothing, whereas at least the mom is like she's 778 00:33:12,824 --> 00:33:14,224 Speaker 1: going to try and sue, like she won't win. 779 00:33:14,384 --> 00:33:16,344 Speaker 2: But but I think you also see, like with him 780 00:33:16,424 --> 00:33:19,464 Speaker 2: laughing at her, you also see that he also thinks 781 00:33:19,464 --> 00:33:21,864 Speaker 2: his son is nothing. Yeah, and that like that's the 782 00:33:21,904 --> 00:33:22,904 Speaker 2: whole reason. 783 00:33:23,064 --> 00:33:24,184 Speaker 1: The reason why. 784 00:33:26,224 --> 00:33:28,904 Speaker 2: Oh, I just love how Mark Edelstein because if you 785 00:33:28,944 --> 00:33:33,184 Speaker 2: watch his interviews, he's so funny and he's so charismatic 786 00:33:33,224 --> 00:33:35,064 Speaker 2: and charming, and I'm like, oh my god, you are 787 00:33:35,104 --> 00:33:38,064 Speaker 2: the exact opposite I hope, the exact opposite of your 788 00:33:38,144 --> 00:33:40,984 Speaker 2: character in this movie. It's just so nice because he 789 00:33:41,024 --> 00:33:44,104 Speaker 2: plays him so well. Yeah, like I genuinely hate that. 790 00:33:44,104 --> 00:33:47,384 Speaker 1: Guy, that kid so much. Yeah, that's a good performance. 791 00:33:47,384 --> 00:33:49,304 Speaker 1: It's also because we know he's just probably based on 792 00:33:49,344 --> 00:33:52,064 Speaker 1: so many real people. Have you ever read a nice 793 00:33:52,184 --> 00:33:54,944 Speaker 1: rich boy? They just don't exist, It don't exist. 794 00:33:55,304 --> 00:33:58,624 Speaker 2: And then you see Annie being driven home by Igor 795 00:33:59,464 --> 00:34:02,744 Speaker 2: and they're in the car and she's so upset, and 796 00:34:02,904 --> 00:34:05,384 Speaker 2: I think everyone in the cinemahen we're watching that felt 797 00:34:05,384 --> 00:34:06,744 Speaker 2: that upset so deeply. 798 00:34:06,864 --> 00:34:09,504 Speaker 1: It's also because up until that moment, Honora is like 799 00:34:09,504 --> 00:34:11,664 Speaker 1: almost like a sense overload. Like it opens in the 800 00:34:11,664 --> 00:34:14,024 Speaker 1: club and it's music and it's lights and it's people yelling. 801 00:34:14,224 --> 00:34:16,584 Speaker 1: And then it goes into the montage of them going 802 00:34:16,584 --> 00:34:18,584 Speaker 1: off to Vegas and getting married, and again it's big 803 00:34:18,624 --> 00:34:21,184 Speaker 1: and it's bright, it's colors, and it's it's sex scenes, 804 00:34:21,184 --> 00:34:22,784 Speaker 1: and it's that dance she does for him that she 805 00:34:22,904 --> 00:34:25,224 Speaker 1: choreographed herself, that sexy dance she does from at home, 806 00:34:25,264 --> 00:34:27,224 Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. And then it's the home 807 00:34:27,264 --> 00:34:29,584 Speaker 1: invasion scene, and it's the chase through Brooklyn to find 808 00:34:29,624 --> 00:34:32,464 Speaker 1: him scene, and then it's a screaming on the plane scene, 809 00:34:32,464 --> 00:34:34,064 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's all like it's loud, 810 00:34:34,104 --> 00:34:36,104 Speaker 1: it's bright, and you're almost like I did feel like 811 00:34:36,104 --> 00:34:38,424 Speaker 1: I was in sensory overload. And then it stops and 812 00:34:38,464 --> 00:34:41,384 Speaker 1: it's just these two actors sitting very quietly in this 813 00:34:41,544 --> 00:34:45,344 Speaker 1: dingy road in this part of town. Yeah, and it 814 00:34:45,464 --> 00:34:47,544 Speaker 1: just kind of they sit in sounds for quite a 815 00:34:47,624 --> 00:34:50,624 Speaker 1: long time, which is always an interesting choice. When a 816 00:34:50,944 --> 00:34:53,544 Speaker 1: filmmaker decides to kind of let you sit in discomfort 817 00:34:53,584 --> 00:34:55,184 Speaker 1: for a little bit before kind of giving you a 818 00:34:55,264 --> 00:34:57,984 Speaker 1: reprieve of some dialogue. It is such a kind of 819 00:34:57,984 --> 00:35:00,104 Speaker 1: a shock to the system. And that's why you're sitting 820 00:35:00,144 --> 00:35:03,904 Speaker 1: there watching these two characters together, and it's that moment 821 00:35:03,904 --> 00:35:06,144 Speaker 1: where you kind of, I guess, maybe your thoughts on 822 00:35:06,264 --> 00:35:08,384 Speaker 1: egor change a little bit, because up until then you're like, 823 00:35:08,384 --> 00:35:10,104 Speaker 1: he's the evil one on he's a bit funny, oh 824 00:35:10,424 --> 00:35:12,064 Speaker 1: bit nice, And then all of a sudden you're like, wait, 825 00:35:12,064 --> 00:35:13,704 Speaker 1: are they shaping him up to be like the hero 826 00:35:13,824 --> 00:35:16,024 Speaker 1: of this story? Which I wouldn't again, I wouldn't say 827 00:35:16,024 --> 00:35:18,264 Speaker 1: he's a hero just because he gives her the ring. Yeah. 828 00:35:18,344 --> 00:35:21,304 Speaker 2: Okay, So the ending, which is like that scene was 829 00:35:21,344 --> 00:35:24,544 Speaker 2: like the last scene is an ending of a movie. 830 00:35:24,544 --> 00:35:26,184 Speaker 2: And I've never done this with any other movie. But 831 00:35:26,224 --> 00:35:29,464 Speaker 2: I keep changing my mind on it, whether I liked 832 00:35:29,464 --> 00:35:31,504 Speaker 2: it or not. The first time I saw it, like 833 00:35:31,584 --> 00:35:34,224 Speaker 2: when we first initially saw it, I was just really 834 00:35:34,264 --> 00:35:38,184 Speaker 2: confused on what was happening. Oh interesting, and correct me 835 00:35:38,184 --> 00:35:39,864 Speaker 2: if I'm wrong. I'm gonna try to explain this. No 836 00:35:40,184 --> 00:35:43,424 Speaker 2: do it okay, So she's crying. He pulls out the 837 00:35:43,504 --> 00:35:45,184 Speaker 2: ring from his pocket because she was like. 838 00:35:45,384 --> 00:35:47,944 Speaker 1: He stole from her. Yeah, he stole from the rich Fanily. 839 00:35:47,784 --> 00:35:49,584 Speaker 2: He stole from the rich family to give her and 840 00:35:49,624 --> 00:35:51,184 Speaker 2: that was the one thing she wanted, right, She's like, 841 00:35:51,184 --> 00:35:53,104 Speaker 2: can I at least keep the ring, like ten k 842 00:35:53,224 --> 00:35:56,784 Speaker 2: is nothing compared to like, gave it to me, Yeah, 843 00:35:56,784 --> 00:35:59,664 Speaker 2: and traumatized me essentially, And this is my ring. So 844 00:35:59,704 --> 00:36:01,504 Speaker 2: he stole it from the family and gave it to her. 845 00:36:02,024 --> 00:36:05,504 Speaker 2: And then she decides to have sex with him, and 846 00:36:05,504 --> 00:36:08,424 Speaker 2: they're having sex, and then he goes up to choke 847 00:36:08,504 --> 00:36:12,024 Speaker 2: her while they're having sex, and then you can see 848 00:36:12,064 --> 00:36:14,784 Speaker 2: that she's like not enjoying it, Like she's not enjoying 849 00:36:14,824 --> 00:36:17,144 Speaker 2: that part of the sex. He stops choking her, and 850 00:36:17,184 --> 00:36:21,064 Speaker 2: then she cries in his arms, and then it's just silence. 851 00:36:21,264 --> 00:36:23,944 Speaker 2: And then the movie ends and there's nothing like it's 852 00:36:23,984 --> 00:36:24,664 Speaker 2: just silence. 853 00:36:24,824 --> 00:36:25,504 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I. 854 00:36:25,504 --> 00:36:27,664 Speaker 2: Feel like everyone who watched this movie in the cinema 855 00:36:27,704 --> 00:36:29,904 Speaker 2: would have sat in that cinema during the credits for 856 00:36:29,944 --> 00:36:31,744 Speaker 2: at least another good toll two minutes. 857 00:36:31,784 --> 00:36:34,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, because Alsona went silent and we were silent, which 858 00:36:34,184 --> 00:36:36,664 Speaker 1: again is such a huge change from like we were 859 00:36:36,704 --> 00:36:39,584 Speaker 1: like scream laughing like half an hour prior to that. Yeah, 860 00:36:39,744 --> 00:36:41,424 Speaker 1: So then to end the movie in silence and then 861 00:36:41,504 --> 00:36:43,064 Speaker 1: like the lights came on and everyone's sitting there and 862 00:36:43,104 --> 00:36:46,264 Speaker 1: everyone's like do we leave? Like it feels weird to go. 863 00:36:46,464 --> 00:36:48,304 Speaker 1: It feels weird to leave when we're sitting in this. 864 00:36:48,624 --> 00:36:50,424 Speaker 1: And again, this is why it won Best Picture. Like 865 00:36:50,424 --> 00:36:53,584 Speaker 1: that's extraordinary filmmaking to have the audience feel that. I've 866 00:36:53,584 --> 00:36:55,864 Speaker 1: seen a lot of people be a little bit upset 867 00:36:55,864 --> 00:36:57,984 Speaker 1: that they had that sex scene in the car, and 868 00:36:58,024 --> 00:37:00,704 Speaker 1: the idea was that he shows her like one shred 869 00:37:00,744 --> 00:37:03,544 Speaker 1: of kindness and she has sex with him, like it's 870 00:37:03,544 --> 00:37:05,704 Speaker 1: like rewarding men for the bare minimum. But I think 871 00:37:05,704 --> 00:37:08,904 Speaker 1: it's a much more deeper, complex scene than that. I 872 00:37:08,944 --> 00:37:11,384 Speaker 1: think she gets that little bit of kindness from him, 873 00:37:11,384 --> 00:37:14,424 Speaker 1: and in her mind, like sex is like a currency 874 00:37:14,464 --> 00:37:14,944 Speaker 1: of reward. 875 00:37:15,024 --> 00:37:16,264 Speaker 2: She's like, that's what I owe you back. 876 00:37:16,344 --> 00:37:17,664 Speaker 1: Yeah, She's like, well, this is what I can do 877 00:37:17,744 --> 00:37:20,104 Speaker 1: for you because this is what I do kind of thing. 878 00:37:20,144 --> 00:37:21,904 Speaker 1: I don't mean to like simplifize sex work or so 879 00:37:22,024 --> 00:37:23,944 Speaker 1: that it's sex workers all behave like that, But I 880 00:37:23,944 --> 00:37:25,704 Speaker 1: just think for what we've known of this character of 881 00:37:25,744 --> 00:37:28,704 Speaker 1: spending two hours, like so closely with her. You do 882 00:37:28,864 --> 00:37:31,304 Speaker 1: kind of see that that she sees it not as 883 00:37:31,304 --> 00:37:33,384 Speaker 1: an exchange, Like it's not in exchange for the ring. 884 00:37:33,704 --> 00:37:35,904 Speaker 1: It's a way for her to say like thank you 885 00:37:35,984 --> 00:37:38,944 Speaker 1: for everything. And also again we know that she's kind 886 00:37:38,944 --> 00:37:41,584 Speaker 1: of looking for a level of intimacy. Like with her 887 00:37:41,584 --> 00:37:43,784 Speaker 1: clients in the strip club, she can one hundred percent 888 00:37:43,864 --> 00:37:46,384 Speaker 1: separate her job from her feelings, but this was a 889 00:37:46,424 --> 00:37:48,544 Speaker 1: different situation because her feelings were involved. 890 00:37:48,584 --> 00:37:51,504 Speaker 2: And the absolute breakdown. What I think about that sex 891 00:37:51,544 --> 00:37:54,304 Speaker 2: scene was it felt like both of them wanted to 892 00:37:54,344 --> 00:37:56,904 Speaker 2: have sex with each other and an intimate setting, but 893 00:37:56,984 --> 00:38:00,344 Speaker 2: they both presume the other person thought it was an exchange. Yeah, 894 00:38:00,384 --> 00:38:02,744 Speaker 2: so she had sex with him but actually wanted to 895 00:38:02,784 --> 00:38:04,424 Speaker 2: do it out of like because she wanted to turn 896 00:38:04,504 --> 00:38:06,584 Speaker 2: up because of the exchange, and he thought she was 897 00:38:06,664 --> 00:38:09,424 Speaker 2: only having sex with him for the exchange, which is 898 00:38:09,504 --> 00:38:12,624 Speaker 2: why he went to her. Yeah, because he was probably like, oh, 899 00:38:12,704 --> 00:38:14,144 Speaker 2: you just see this, she went. 900 00:38:14,024 --> 00:38:15,904 Speaker 1: To treat her like an object instead of a partner. 901 00:38:15,984 --> 00:38:19,344 Speaker 2: Yeah, And then when they both realized what was happening, 902 00:38:19,584 --> 00:38:21,064 Speaker 2: and then you just see the shock on both of 903 00:38:21,064 --> 00:38:24,624 Speaker 2: their faces and then the immediate like breakdown into his 904 00:38:24,824 --> 00:38:27,464 Speaker 2: arms while they're both naked in the car. I'm pretty 905 00:38:27,464 --> 00:38:29,424 Speaker 2: sure he's still in her, yeah, and they're just like 906 00:38:29,584 --> 00:38:32,664 Speaker 2: crying in the car. Was just one of those situations 907 00:38:32,664 --> 00:38:35,264 Speaker 2: where I'm like, neither of these characters will ever get 908 00:38:35,264 --> 00:38:37,744 Speaker 2: a happy ending. Yeah, Like they're both just going to 909 00:38:37,824 --> 00:38:41,584 Speaker 2: be like so sad and like with their lives because 910 00:38:41,584 --> 00:38:43,344 Speaker 2: like he's going to go back to that family because 911 00:38:43,344 --> 00:38:45,144 Speaker 2: that's his job. He has to be that henchman, and 912 00:38:45,184 --> 00:38:47,264 Speaker 2: she has to work like that's her job, and she 913 00:38:47,264 --> 00:38:49,904 Speaker 2: has to go back to her like I guess quote 914 00:38:49,984 --> 00:38:52,504 Speaker 2: unquote work for family after they've just done this mass 915 00:38:52,504 --> 00:38:55,464 Speaker 2: affair well for her, And it's just that realization of 916 00:38:55,464 --> 00:38:57,184 Speaker 2: both of them that it will never work together. 917 00:38:57,504 --> 00:39:01,144 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so interesting because again there's been that conversation 918 00:39:01,344 --> 00:39:04,864 Speaker 1: of after that scene, like what happens did they stay together? 919 00:39:05,024 --> 00:39:07,264 Speaker 1: Did they you know, never see each other again. But 920 00:39:07,304 --> 00:39:08,744 Speaker 1: I almost think it's good that you don't get that 921 00:39:08,864 --> 00:39:10,824 Speaker 1: level of closure, like there is that idea that you 922 00:39:10,864 --> 00:39:12,664 Speaker 1: have to just make up the next part for yourself. 923 00:39:12,824 --> 00:39:14,704 Speaker 1: But then I think what you're saying about them not 924 00:39:14,864 --> 00:39:17,304 Speaker 1: being together is probably the more realistic thing, like it 925 00:39:17,384 --> 00:39:19,584 Speaker 1: wasn't meant to be this happy ending of like God, 926 00:39:19,584 --> 00:39:21,464 Speaker 1: but now she's found this guy and he's nice. It's 927 00:39:21,464 --> 00:39:23,304 Speaker 1: like he's been nice to her now, but that's not 928 00:39:23,304 --> 00:39:25,624 Speaker 1: gonna Yeah, that's obviously not going to be their future. 929 00:39:25,624 --> 00:39:28,024 Speaker 1: But yeah, what an ending. What a movie. 930 00:39:28,424 --> 00:39:30,944 Speaker 2: This movie, man, I think about it all the time. 931 00:39:31,464 --> 00:39:35,784 Speaker 1: Is as your life? Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't 932 00:39:35,824 --> 00:39:37,544 Speaker 1: think that that's a dramatic thing to say. 933 00:39:37,464 --> 00:39:39,824 Speaker 2: We have anything like it, Like I see the comparisons 934 00:39:39,864 --> 00:39:41,624 Speaker 2: are pretty women, but I think you're right, they're all 935 00:39:41,744 --> 00:39:44,944 Speaker 2: very surface level comparisons. I've just never seen anything like 936 00:39:44,984 --> 00:39:45,544 Speaker 2: this movie. 937 00:39:45,824 --> 00:39:48,024 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to our brilliant, honest 938 00:39:48,064 --> 00:39:50,184 Speaker 1: review of Anora. I really hope you've got to this 939 00:39:50,224 --> 00:39:52,864 Speaker 1: stage you've watched it otherwise if we've just ruined it 940 00:39:52,864 --> 00:39:55,224 Speaker 1: for you. But as we said earlier, you can rent 941 00:39:55,224 --> 00:39:57,664 Speaker 1: it or buy it on Prime video, Apple TV. There 942 00:39:57,664 --> 00:40:00,864 Speaker 1: are some cinemas at the time of recording still playing it. 943 00:40:00,904 --> 00:40:03,064 Speaker 1: But yeah, just what a movie. And also, I mean, 944 00:40:03,064 --> 00:40:05,224 Speaker 1: Shawn Bakers made so many other movies, So once you 945 00:40:05,264 --> 00:40:07,784 Speaker 1: watch this, I highly recommend going back through his back 946 00:40:07,784 --> 00:40:10,064 Speaker 1: catalog and watching those movies. Too, because they're incredible. 947 00:40:10,584 --> 00:40:13,184 Speaker 2: We've done so many other broodly honest reviews. We'll put 948 00:40:13,184 --> 00:40:15,544 Speaker 2: a link to a bunch of them in our show notes. 949 00:40:15,584 --> 00:40:17,624 Speaker 2: If there's any other movies or TV shows in the 950 00:40:17,704 --> 00:40:20,464 Speaker 2: Zeigeist that you've missed. The Spill is produced by Kimberly 951 00:40:20,464 --> 00:40:23,104 Speaker 2: Bradishit audio production by Scott Stronik, and we'll be back 952 00:40:23,104 --> 00:40:25,344 Speaker 2: here on your podcast speed at three pm on Monday. 953 00:40:25,504 --> 00:40:31,344 Speaker 2: Bye Bye.