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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. While weight loss drugs have been

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Speaker 2: studied for their physical effects on the body, it's the

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Speaker 2: socio emotional ones that have peaked our interest. This week,

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Speaker 2: experts are noticing a new link between weight loss medications

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Speaker 2: and complications in intimate partner relationships. Plus, the world watched

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Speaker 2: on in horror as family bloger Ruby Frankie was sent

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Speaker 2: to prison for child abuse. Her ex husband Kevin has

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Speaker 2: broken his silence on the matter. Today we'll find out

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Speaker 2: just what he said. But before we get there, here's

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Speaker 2: Clare Murphy with the latest from the Quickie newsroom for Thursday,

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Speaker 2: February twenty.

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Speaker 1: Seven, Thanks Taylor. Star of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and

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Speaker 1: gossip Girl, Michelle Trachtenberg has reportedly died aged thirty nine.

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Speaker 1: According to ABC News America. The actress was found in

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Speaker 1: her death as suspicious. In the twelve months before her passing,

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Speaker 1: fans had become concerned about the star's health as she

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Speaker 1: the worry, saying fun fact, this is my face, not malnutrition.

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Speaker 1: Her last role was the reprisal of her character Georgina

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Speaker 1: Sparks in the reboot of Gossip Girl. In twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: the jury in the case of murdered Queensland woman Toya

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Speaker 1: father who found her body. Raja Wintersingh has pleaded not

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Speaker 1: guilty to the twenty eighteen death of Miss Courtingly, whose

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Speaker 1: He reeled back, horrified, dropped to his knees and yelled

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Speaker 1: As the autopsy photos were shown to the jury, a

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Speaker 2: Next are weight loss Dad's ruining marriages. There's an emerging

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Speaker 2: Mummamea websit. Are we really seeing weight loss through these

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Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, it's fascinating because it's not for the reasons

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Speaker 2: Well, you've spoken to a psych about this for your article.

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Speaker 2: Are we seeing this type of tensional separation occur more

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Speaker 3: It's completely new territory. But the thing that experts have

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Speaker 3: The biggest thing that I had taken away from interviewing

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Speaker 2: Since the release of her book. Shari's father and Ruby's

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Speaker 2: for those who might not record, Ruby Frankie was once

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Speaker 1: You don't get personal space. This is my space because

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Speaker 1: I'm the parent. If you want your own personal space,

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Speaker 2: This is mine. So since Ruby's imprisonment, her ex husband

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Speaker 4: Kevin Frankie largely stayed away from interviews for the first

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Speaker 4: We really got a response from him after the scandal

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Speaker 2: So in that time that since they've been separated, he

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Speaker 4: No, he hadn't said anything. So it was like three

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Speaker 4: months when the first thing happened, which was him divorcing

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Speaker 4: Ruby officially in the courts, But they'd been a strange

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Speaker 4: the first time he'd come out and said obviously that

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Speaker 4: He told people that he has asked the Department of

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Speaker 3: So he's expressed a lot.

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Speaker 4: A few years after the fact.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned before that he went and spoke in front

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Speaker 2: Can you explain to us a bit about what that

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Speaker 4: So the bill aims to provide financial protection to creators,

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Speaker 4: It also it's a right of deletion that hasn't previously

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Speaker 4: regrets every day. He added that the children cannot give

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Speaker 2: Something really interesting that's come up about all of this

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Speaker 4: So he's spoken a lot about regret in the way

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Speaker 2: This case, the Frankie case, has become this watershed moment

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Speaker 4: The Frankie case has drawn unprecedented attention to the world

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Speaker 4: That's an expansion of previous child actor laws. The new

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Speaker 2: It's a significant amount of the earnings.

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Speaker 2: If you want to dive even deeply into the story.

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Speaker 2: Kevin and two of his elders children have all gone

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Speaker 2: into further detail in Hulu's new documentary Devil in the

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Speaker 2: Family The Fall of Ruby Frankie. It's out on Disney

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Speaker 2: Plus later this week. Thanks for taking some time to

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Speaker 3: With us today.

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Speaker 2: The quickie is produced by me Taylor Strano and Claire Murphy,

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Speaker 2: with audio production by Lou Hill.