1 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,144 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mama Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,744 --> 00:00:20,664 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded. 4 00:00:20,304 --> 00:00:26,064 Speaker 1: On From Mamma Mia. 5 00:00:26,344 --> 00:00:29,264 Speaker 2: Welcome to this spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm 6 00:00:29,304 --> 00:00:31,824 Speaker 2: Laura Brodney and I'm m Vernham and today we have 7 00:00:31,864 --> 00:00:34,944 Speaker 2: a special treat for you. It is many, many years 8 00:00:34,984 --> 00:00:37,144 Speaker 2: in the making. It's something that you've asked for, someone 9 00:00:37,184 --> 00:00:40,584 Speaker 2: we've been talking about, and here it is. After one 10 00:00:40,704 --> 00:00:44,744 Speaker 2: hundred and forty nine shows across fifty three cities that 11 00:00:44,864 --> 00:00:47,824 Speaker 2: Emily Vernon did not attend, not a single one Taylor 12 00:00:47,904 --> 00:00:49,824 Speaker 2: Swift's Eras Tour has This. 13 00:00:49,864 --> 00:00:51,504 Speaker 3: Sounds weird because I tried to attend. 14 00:00:51,664 --> 00:00:52,384 Speaker 1: You did try to. 15 00:00:52,344 --> 00:00:53,104 Speaker 3: Do it out of spite. 16 00:00:53,264 --> 00:00:55,464 Speaker 2: I'm just like the final nail on the coffin that 17 00:00:55,504 --> 00:00:58,264 Speaker 2: the Eras Tour is officially over. You didn't get to go, 18 00:00:58,704 --> 00:01:01,104 Speaker 2: which is why we have brought in an expert. 19 00:01:01,544 --> 00:01:05,504 Speaker 1: Welcome to our brutally honest review of the Errors Tour. 20 00:01:07,664 --> 00:01:11,864 Speaker 2: And joining us today is Mamma MIA's entertainment and Taylor 21 00:01:11,984 --> 00:01:17,024 Speaker 2: Swift Encyclopedia fangirl ultimate keeper of or Knowledge. I'm gonna 22 00:01:17,024 --> 00:01:19,864 Speaker 2: say Tina Burke had you had a. 23 00:01:19,824 --> 00:01:22,784 Speaker 3: Bit of an interesting Spotify statistic. 24 00:01:23,344 --> 00:01:26,824 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's quite upsetting, haunting even but I did listen 25 00:01:26,824 --> 00:01:29,904 Speaker 1: to Taylor Swift for twenty two thousand minutes this year, 26 00:01:30,424 --> 00:01:32,504 Speaker 1: And what's sad about that is that that doesn't include 27 00:01:32,504 --> 00:01:34,264 Speaker 1: all the times I watched her on Disney Plus or 28 00:01:34,264 --> 00:01:35,544 Speaker 1: like listen to a record. 29 00:01:35,264 --> 00:01:39,904 Speaker 2: Or But it's not just the fandom that you're here for, though, 30 00:01:39,944 --> 00:01:41,544 Speaker 2: because you were also there's a lot of people that 31 00:01:41,624 --> 00:01:43,184 Speaker 2: listen to Taylor Swift and a lot of people that 32 00:01:43,264 --> 00:01:45,904 Speaker 2: consume her music. I'm a basic bitch. I do as 33 00:01:45,944 --> 00:01:46,824 Speaker 2: well you do. 34 00:01:46,864 --> 00:01:48,744 Speaker 1: That's why we're all spotifyerp. 35 00:01:48,424 --> 00:01:52,624 Speaker 2: Me too, like every other woman in the world. But Tina, 36 00:01:52,824 --> 00:01:55,504 Speaker 2: you have a lot of in depth knowledge about the 37 00:01:55,624 --> 00:01:58,424 Speaker 2: secrets of the East Strokes that she weaves through her history, 38 00:01:58,984 --> 00:02:02,584 Speaker 2: and often at random times outside of work hours, I'll 39 00:02:02,624 --> 00:02:06,064 Speaker 2: log onto our like internal communications system here a mumma slack, 40 00:02:06,344 --> 00:02:10,464 Speaker 2: and I'll see you at all odd hours editing stories, planning, putting, 41 00:02:10,824 --> 00:02:12,904 Speaker 2: because you've got a sixth sense that Taylor Switch is 42 00:02:12,904 --> 00:02:14,224 Speaker 2: about to announce something big. 43 00:02:14,704 --> 00:02:16,904 Speaker 1: Yes, my whole family is like begging me to stop 44 00:02:16,904 --> 00:02:18,824 Speaker 1: talking about Taylor Swift, and you've just like, put me 45 00:02:18,864 --> 00:02:19,984 Speaker 1: on a podcast. I'm ready. 46 00:02:20,024 --> 00:02:21,144 Speaker 3: We may as well get paid for it. 47 00:02:21,224 --> 00:02:23,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. No, I just love to watch what she's 48 00:02:23,784 --> 00:02:25,904 Speaker 1: doing and like make up little theories in my head 49 00:02:26,144 --> 00:02:29,344 Speaker 1: and sometimes they come true. Sometimes they do not, but 50 00:02:29,384 --> 00:02:31,064 Speaker 1: I like to Yeah, I like to look around at 51 00:02:31,064 --> 00:02:31,744 Speaker 1: the East Eggs. 52 00:02:31,824 --> 00:02:33,704 Speaker 2: Well, that's why you're here, because today we're going through 53 00:02:33,784 --> 00:02:36,144 Speaker 2: the biggest moments. We're going through the scandals, We're going 54 00:02:36,184 --> 00:02:37,664 Speaker 2: through the serious stuff too. There was a lot of 55 00:02:37,704 --> 00:02:40,144 Speaker 2: funny stuff. There were some devastated fans, there were some 56 00:02:40,184 --> 00:02:44,184 Speaker 2: heartwarming moments, there was some romance. There's so much to unpack. 57 00:02:44,184 --> 00:02:46,184 Speaker 2: I feel like the biggest movie franchise in the world 58 00:02:46,184 --> 00:02:48,224 Speaker 2: has come to an end. So let's kick it back 59 00:02:48,224 --> 00:02:51,224 Speaker 2: to when the Eras tour was first announced and kicked off. 60 00:02:51,304 --> 00:02:53,264 Speaker 1: Was that the greatest day of your life? That was 61 00:02:53,344 --> 00:02:55,504 Speaker 1: the greatest day of my life. It was very exciting 62 00:02:55,584 --> 00:02:57,624 Speaker 1: news that she was doing a North American tour at 63 00:02:57,624 --> 00:02:59,624 Speaker 1: that point in time, but we obviously knew, you know, 64 00:02:59,704 --> 00:03:02,504 Speaker 1: she was gonna come here at some point. She loves us, 65 00:03:02,584 --> 00:03:03,424 Speaker 1: she loves Australia. 66 00:03:03,544 --> 00:03:05,104 Speaker 2: Did you know at the time, I guess fans did 67 00:03:05,144 --> 00:03:07,384 Speaker 2: that it was going to become the huge cultural moment 68 00:03:07,424 --> 00:03:07,984 Speaker 2: that it became. 69 00:03:08,744 --> 00:03:11,104 Speaker 1: It felt big because it had been so long since 70 00:03:11,104 --> 00:03:13,944 Speaker 1: she'd been on a tour. She'd done Reputation, she'd planned 71 00:03:13,944 --> 00:03:16,544 Speaker 1: to do lover COVID happened she couldn't, and then she 72 00:03:16,664 --> 00:03:18,944 Speaker 1: just like kept releasing music like every other day. You'd 73 00:03:18,944 --> 00:03:20,784 Speaker 1: turn around, she'd be like, here's an album. Have fun. 74 00:03:21,224 --> 00:03:23,184 Speaker 1: So it did feel like a big moment because there 75 00:03:23,224 --> 00:03:25,664 Speaker 1: was so much new music to tour. It'd been so long. 76 00:03:25,864 --> 00:03:27,624 Speaker 1: It just it felt like there was something big coming, 77 00:03:27,664 --> 00:03:30,104 Speaker 1: But it did not feel like a two year show 78 00:03:30,264 --> 00:03:31,344 Speaker 1: was being announced at that point. 79 00:03:31,504 --> 00:03:33,944 Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of just kept expanding and growing, getting 80 00:03:33,944 --> 00:03:36,464 Speaker 2: bigger at la front of her, Like an outside fans perspective, 81 00:03:36,864 --> 00:03:37,104 Speaker 2: I think. 82 00:03:37,104 --> 00:03:38,544 Speaker 1: Want to say one of the darkest days of. 83 00:03:38,584 --> 00:03:42,144 Speaker 2: The Eras tour was when tickets went on sale in Australia. 84 00:03:42,224 --> 00:03:44,904 Speaker 2: So I was obviously aware of what a big deal 85 00:03:44,984 --> 00:03:47,424 Speaker 2: this was and how much people loved Taylor Swift, but 86 00:03:47,504 --> 00:03:50,224 Speaker 2: I have never seen anything like that frenzy Like the 87 00:03:50,304 --> 00:03:52,504 Speaker 2: day the first tickets went on sale is burnt into 88 00:03:52,544 --> 00:03:54,464 Speaker 2: my brain because I worked from home in the morning 89 00:03:54,544 --> 00:03:57,104 Speaker 2: and then I came into the office and I've never 90 00:03:57,144 --> 00:03:59,584 Speaker 2: seen this before, but I can only describe it as 91 00:03:59,624 --> 00:04:02,224 Speaker 2: like a politician who thought they were going to win 92 00:04:02,624 --> 00:04:05,944 Speaker 2: a big election and had had already planned their like 93 00:04:06,064 --> 00:04:09,184 Speaker 2: succession party, and then found out the last moment they 94 00:04:09,184 --> 00:04:12,184 Speaker 2: had lost the election. Because I walked into Themmer office 95 00:04:12,464 --> 00:04:16,264 Speaker 2: and Taylor Swift music was blaring and people had printed 96 00:04:16,264 --> 00:04:18,264 Speaker 2: out pictures and they were everywhere, and people were sitting 97 00:04:18,304 --> 00:04:20,784 Speaker 2: their seats, but everyone was deflated and sad. 98 00:04:21,064 --> 00:04:22,064 Speaker 1: There were a few tears. 99 00:04:22,104 --> 00:04:25,504 Speaker 2: People were crying because they had obviously started the day 100 00:04:25,584 --> 00:04:27,224 Speaker 2: very excited they were going to get their tickets, and 101 00:04:27,264 --> 00:04:29,624 Speaker 2: then they were slowly realizing that they weren't going to 102 00:04:29,664 --> 00:04:30,024 Speaker 2: get them. 103 00:04:30,144 --> 00:04:32,464 Speaker 3: I think that was also the time where most of 104 00:04:32,584 --> 00:04:35,064 Speaker 3: like I guess the outsider fans realized how big a 105 00:04:35,144 --> 00:04:37,704 Speaker 3: deal this was, where they realized it at the same 106 00:04:37,704 --> 00:04:41,304 Speaker 3: time as the Australian economy realized. Where like even me, 107 00:04:41,384 --> 00:04:43,264 Speaker 3: because I would consider myself a fan, like I went 108 00:04:43,304 --> 00:04:46,424 Speaker 3: to a Fearless tour contitute. Yeah, when I was like thirteen, 109 00:04:46,984 --> 00:04:48,464 Speaker 3: So I was like, oh, this will be like nice, 110 00:04:48,464 --> 00:04:50,704 Speaker 3: and my Mom's like, yeah, let's just go, like we could, 111 00:04:51,224 --> 00:04:53,024 Speaker 3: let's just go, Let's just get the girls together and go. 112 00:04:53,064 --> 00:04:54,944 Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I'll get tickets, and I was like, oh, 113 00:04:54,984 --> 00:04:56,744 Speaker 3: you're getting tickets too. Oh, you're getting tickets too. And 114 00:04:56,784 --> 00:05:00,344 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, she's like big now, like every 115 00:05:00,344 --> 00:05:03,024 Speaker 3: one of like every generation wants to listen to her music. 116 00:05:03,384 --> 00:05:04,984 Speaker 3: And then I was in the waiting room, like I 117 00:05:05,024 --> 00:05:06,304 Speaker 3: was on the phone to my mom. We were there 118 00:05:06,344 --> 00:05:08,104 Speaker 3: for hours and hours and hours. I was like, Mom, 119 00:05:08,104 --> 00:05:09,944 Speaker 3: I don't think this is gonna happen for us. 120 00:05:10,624 --> 00:05:12,744 Speaker 2: It didn't, so you didn't end up going. You got 121 00:05:12,744 --> 00:05:14,024 Speaker 2: tickets like at the last minute. 122 00:05:14,104 --> 00:05:17,864 Speaker 1: Yeah, we got some complicated tickets because, like many professionals 123 00:05:17,904 --> 00:05:19,384 Speaker 1: across the country, my friends and I were on a 124 00:05:19,464 --> 00:05:21,784 Speaker 1: zoom at work and we were all like zooming in 125 00:05:21,824 --> 00:05:24,064 Speaker 1: from our different offices trying to get tickets, and no 126 00:05:24,104 --> 00:05:26,904 Speaker 1: one got through, and so like as the time passed, 127 00:05:26,904 --> 00:05:28,664 Speaker 1: like we were on there for hours, waiting and waiting, 128 00:05:28,704 --> 00:05:30,224 Speaker 1: and by the time it got to the end, we 129 00:05:30,224 --> 00:05:31,944 Speaker 1: were like, oh, no, we missed out. And I went 130 00:05:31,984 --> 00:05:34,584 Speaker 1: back to work and everyone who knows me knows I'm insane, 131 00:05:34,904 --> 00:05:36,424 Speaker 1: and so everyone's like, did you get your tickets? And 132 00:05:36,424 --> 00:05:37,864 Speaker 1: I was like, no, I didn't. It was the worst 133 00:05:37,944 --> 00:05:40,584 Speaker 1: day of my life, truly, not really but it's okay 134 00:05:40,584 --> 00:05:42,624 Speaker 1: if it was. Look, it was one of the worst. 135 00:05:42,664 --> 00:05:44,424 Speaker 1: And then like there was like rounds and rounds of 136 00:05:44,424 --> 00:05:45,784 Speaker 1: pre sales and everyone. 137 00:05:45,584 --> 00:05:48,144 Speaker 3: Wanted to get flights to Melbourne just in case. 138 00:05:48,304 --> 00:05:49,824 Speaker 1: We were on the phone like Okay, that's it, We're 139 00:05:49,824 --> 00:05:51,864 Speaker 1: doing Melbourne tomorrow. We'll get that, We'll get the flights. 140 00:05:51,904 --> 00:05:55,344 Speaker 1: No we didn't get that. No, no, we only got that. 141 00:05:56,744 --> 00:05:59,024 Speaker 1: Like good for them, I guess, but no, we eventually 142 00:05:59,064 --> 00:06:00,824 Speaker 1: got tickets. So I was very very grateful because it 143 00:06:00,864 --> 00:06:03,024 Speaker 1: was it was rough out there and what was like. 144 00:06:03,024 --> 00:06:05,744 Speaker 3: The lead up to the airs tool because like all 145 00:06:05,784 --> 00:06:09,544 Speaker 3: I saw was just murals and like politicians making statements 146 00:06:09,584 --> 00:06:10,264 Speaker 3: about it. 147 00:06:10,184 --> 00:06:12,384 Speaker 2: It did take over Australia in such a weird way. 148 00:06:12,424 --> 00:06:14,064 Speaker 2: But I think it's because, like we obviously got a 149 00:06:14,064 --> 00:06:17,464 Speaker 2: little bit late. There were so many big international moments, 150 00:06:17,544 --> 00:06:20,264 Speaker 2: the Travis Kelcey stuff had happened. Okay, So Tina, going 151 00:06:20,304 --> 00:06:22,744 Speaker 2: back to the beginning, what were the kind of earlier signs, 152 00:06:22,784 --> 00:06:25,024 Speaker 2: like the big moments from the beginning of the Eras tour, 153 00:06:25,064 --> 00:06:26,664 Speaker 2: this is going to be a huge thing. 154 00:06:27,104 --> 00:06:29,664 Speaker 1: I think the friendship bracelets was a clear indicator that 155 00:06:29,744 --> 00:06:31,904 Speaker 1: is only from this tour that's just from this tour, 156 00:06:31,944 --> 00:06:34,624 Speaker 1: and it's just from my life Forever. No, and it's 157 00:06:34,624 --> 00:06:36,064 Speaker 1: just from a line in one of her songs, which 158 00:06:36,104 --> 00:06:39,144 Speaker 1: is like, make the friendship bracelets, and fans just went, yeah, 159 00:06:39,144 --> 00:06:40,944 Speaker 1: all right, let's do it. And it turned into this 160 00:06:41,024 --> 00:06:43,144 Speaker 1: like fan project. And then obviously I think, yeah, I 161 00:06:43,144 --> 00:06:45,664 Speaker 1: guess again, everyone's like sure, what the hell and went 162 00:06:45,704 --> 00:06:48,184 Speaker 1: to like their version of Spotlight and got a million 163 00:06:48,264 --> 00:06:50,224 Speaker 1: beads and made bracelets. And the fact that there was 164 00:06:50,264 --> 00:06:52,664 Speaker 1: like hundreds of thousands of fans making these bracelets for 165 00:06:52,664 --> 00:06:55,264 Speaker 1: the first shows in the US, that was an indicator 166 00:06:55,304 --> 00:06:57,704 Speaker 1: of like, whoa, people are being a little bit wild 167 00:06:57,784 --> 00:07:00,704 Speaker 1: and nuts with their friendship bracelets. But the head industry, 168 00:07:00,784 --> 00:07:04,624 Speaker 1: the big Starstyrocket, the unsung hero of this whole situation. 169 00:07:04,784 --> 00:07:06,264 Speaker 1: I did not even have tickets, and I was in 170 00:07:06,304 --> 00:07:09,144 Speaker 1: Spotlight buying up all their beads. Really a year out, 171 00:07:09,184 --> 00:07:10,984 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm ready, this is happening for me. 172 00:07:11,064 --> 00:07:13,064 Speaker 2: I still haven't made one. I still also haven't received 173 00:07:13,104 --> 00:07:14,464 Speaker 2: one yet, so I guess my time's over. 174 00:07:14,504 --> 00:07:16,864 Speaker 1: I will bring you one. I have many at home. 175 00:07:17,584 --> 00:07:19,464 Speaker 1: I think the Friendship bracelets was a clear sign. I 176 00:07:19,464 --> 00:07:21,744 Speaker 1: think when we started seeing celebrities attend because it was 177 00:07:21,784 --> 00:07:24,464 Speaker 1: in America, and like seeing all of the stars show 178 00:07:24,584 --> 00:07:27,384 Speaker 1: up to support, I think that showed how big I was. 179 00:07:27,464 --> 00:07:29,664 Speaker 2: Let's talk about some of the celebrity cameos because that 180 00:07:29,744 --> 00:07:32,104 Speaker 2: started early on and kind of like set the scene, right. 181 00:07:32,144 --> 00:07:33,464 Speaker 2: Who were the big names that were there? 182 00:07:33,704 --> 00:07:36,264 Speaker 1: I mean from the get go we had big stars 183 00:07:36,304 --> 00:07:38,704 Speaker 1: because we had boy geniuses the opening act at first, 184 00:07:38,704 --> 00:07:41,464 Speaker 1: so that's like Phoebe Bridges and like Lucy Dakers and 185 00:07:41,464 --> 00:07:44,424 Speaker 1: stuff like that. So like Bo Burnham was there, who's like, 186 00:07:44,464 --> 00:07:46,264 Speaker 1: maybe to some people not a big deal, but to me, 187 00:07:46,344 --> 00:07:48,864 Speaker 1: he was. As it went on, people like Hugh Grant 188 00:07:48,904 --> 00:07:51,344 Speaker 1: going and doing tequila shots. In the ten we had 189 00:07:51,424 --> 00:07:54,544 Speaker 1: a surprise appearance from Carli Kloss, which no one saw coming. 190 00:07:54,584 --> 00:07:56,664 Speaker 2: Well, okay, that's the one I care about the most, 191 00:07:56,704 --> 00:07:58,424 Speaker 2: so tell me about that. So she went to one 192 00:07:58,464 --> 00:08:00,744 Speaker 2: of like the it's like midway through the Eras tour, right, 193 00:08:01,184 --> 00:08:03,544 Speaker 2: And it was a big deal because I don't want 194 00:08:03,584 --> 00:08:06,064 Speaker 2: stifeties here and greet me because they obviously were friends 195 00:08:06,064 --> 00:08:07,024 Speaker 2: for a very long time. 196 00:08:07,184 --> 00:08:08,344 Speaker 3: Weren't they sexy friends. 197 00:08:08,384 --> 00:08:11,744 Speaker 2: We're getting to that they were friends for a very 198 00:08:11,744 --> 00:08:15,144 Speaker 2: long time, like very public friends, and then they appear 199 00:08:15,224 --> 00:08:17,544 Speaker 2: to have some sort of a falling out. I'll let 200 00:08:17,544 --> 00:08:19,944 Speaker 2: you extween the actual dynamics of what happens. I'm sure 201 00:08:19,984 --> 00:08:21,904 Speaker 2: you know more than me. But I think when everyone 202 00:08:21,904 --> 00:08:23,464 Speaker 2: saw her going into the eras to it and not 203 00:08:23,544 --> 00:08:25,704 Speaker 2: in the VIP tent, sitting up in the stands a 204 00:08:25,784 --> 00:08:28,944 Speaker 2: ticket she'd obviously just bought for herself, that was huge. 205 00:08:29,224 --> 00:08:31,264 Speaker 1: That was a big deal because the VIP tent is 206 00:08:31,304 --> 00:08:34,504 Speaker 1: obviously where like Taylor's nearest and dearest or even people 207 00:08:34,544 --> 00:08:36,224 Speaker 1: like who were just famous who she's never met, but 208 00:08:36,264 --> 00:08:39,024 Speaker 1: she respects and admires everyone's in the VIP tent if 209 00:08:39,064 --> 00:08:42,024 Speaker 1: they are going. Maybe with the exception of some royals 210 00:08:42,024 --> 00:08:43,864 Speaker 1: that we'll get too later, but pretty much everyone who 211 00:08:43,864 --> 00:08:45,744 Speaker 1: matters to Taylor and they make their way into the tent, 212 00:08:45,984 --> 00:08:48,264 Speaker 1: and then Carli Kloss was just like in the stent. 213 00:08:48,344 --> 00:08:51,264 Speaker 2: G she was just like in the stands, but all 214 00:08:51,264 --> 00:08:52,744 Speaker 2: of her to go. I don't know if I would 215 00:08:52,744 --> 00:08:54,824 Speaker 2: have gone. So obviously people think they had a proper 216 00:08:54,904 --> 00:08:57,944 Speaker 2: like romance over many years, right, there's a lot of 217 00:08:57,944 --> 00:09:00,264 Speaker 2: fans who think that, Yeah, so they I knew, that's 218 00:09:00,304 --> 00:09:01,864 Speaker 2: just I know, that's not being proved. I don't know, 219 00:09:01,944 --> 00:09:03,904 Speaker 2: but like that's one of the biggest I think like 220 00:09:04,024 --> 00:09:07,384 Speaker 2: fan theories that's out there is that they had a relationship. 221 00:09:07,584 --> 00:09:10,064 Speaker 2: It wasn't just a friendship, and so that kind of 222 00:09:10,064 --> 00:09:13,784 Speaker 2: took like when the friendship ended. Every album she's released 223 00:09:13,824 --> 00:09:15,984 Speaker 2: since then, fans will pick a song or maybe two 224 00:09:16,024 --> 00:09:17,664 Speaker 2: and be like, this is absolutely. 225 00:09:17,264 --> 00:09:19,344 Speaker 1: About Carli Klaus. So there was a lot of law. 226 00:09:19,464 --> 00:09:20,984 Speaker 1: So for her to be sitting in the stands and 227 00:09:21,064 --> 00:09:23,224 Speaker 1: like just random fans being like, hey. 228 00:09:23,304 --> 00:09:25,304 Speaker 2: Like there's so much law. Even I'm like on the 229 00:09:25,464 --> 00:09:27,144 Speaker 2: outro of this like this is I'm not gonna written 230 00:09:27,144 --> 00:09:29,424 Speaker 2: this as like a sub celebrity story I'm well versed in, 231 00:09:29,704 --> 00:09:31,544 Speaker 2: but I know there's been things of people saying like 232 00:09:31,584 --> 00:09:33,504 Speaker 2: the shape of your body is new is definitely about 233 00:09:33,544 --> 00:09:36,344 Speaker 2: her and no Jo Awlin. There's times where she'd posted 234 00:09:36,384 --> 00:09:38,904 Speaker 2: all these photos of her and Carlie in Sodona together 235 00:09:38,944 --> 00:09:41,624 Speaker 2: and having this beautiful vacation, and then she got asked 236 00:09:41,624 --> 00:09:43,624 Speaker 2: an interview, where's the most romantic place in the world, 237 00:09:43,664 --> 00:09:46,744 Speaker 2: and she's like, absolutely, Sedona. So people linked those two. 238 00:09:46,784 --> 00:09:49,064 Speaker 2: There's been a few other moments like that. There's so 239 00:09:49,184 --> 00:09:52,064 Speaker 2: many more, like I can just hear fans screaming at me. 240 00:09:52,344 --> 00:09:54,224 Speaker 2: But wasn't it something to do with the fact that 241 00:09:54,704 --> 00:09:58,624 Speaker 2: allegedly Kylie Kloss tipped off Scooter Braun that Taylorsif's music 242 00:09:58,664 --> 00:10:00,064 Speaker 2: was for sale and that's why he was able to 243 00:10:00,064 --> 00:10:01,184 Speaker 2: buy it and that whole situation. 244 00:10:01,384 --> 00:10:03,224 Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's one of the theories because kind of 245 00:10:03,264 --> 00:10:05,584 Speaker 1: as the friendship started to fall out, she was seen 246 00:10:05,664 --> 00:10:08,584 Speaker 1: hanging out with Scooter Braun, she was also hanging out 247 00:10:08,584 --> 00:10:11,584 Speaker 1: with like who at that time, wasn't end Katie Perry, Like, 248 00:10:11,664 --> 00:10:13,744 Speaker 1: she started hanging out with a lot of people. I know, 249 00:10:14,184 --> 00:10:16,544 Speaker 1: the law is deep, but she started to hang out 250 00:10:16,584 --> 00:10:18,824 Speaker 1: with people who definitely were not friends of Taylor, and 251 00:10:18,864 --> 00:10:21,584 Speaker 1: Scooter was obviously the thing that tipped everything over the 252 00:10:21,704 --> 00:10:23,824 Speaker 1: edge for Taylor career wise. So the fact that there'd 253 00:10:23,864 --> 00:10:26,664 Speaker 1: been a connection there, people put they're two or two together, 254 00:10:26,784 --> 00:10:27,784 Speaker 1: and so that that was the course. 255 00:10:27,824 --> 00:10:29,624 Speaker 2: The thing is, though, if Taylor stiff wanted to like 256 00:10:29,704 --> 00:10:32,224 Speaker 2: disprove this, she could do it by just like posting 257 00:10:32,264 --> 00:10:34,304 Speaker 2: a photo with Carlie being seen with her or something. 258 00:10:34,304 --> 00:10:37,024 Speaker 2: But something has obviously happened. A photo with a man 259 00:10:37,064 --> 00:10:40,224 Speaker 2: into Dona and being like it's him no, but they 260 00:10:40,224 --> 00:10:41,944 Speaker 2: could squash these rumors a bit. But the fact they 261 00:10:41,944 --> 00:10:44,944 Speaker 2: haven't been photographed or seen together after being together publicly 262 00:10:44,984 --> 00:10:47,944 Speaker 2: for so long. My favorite thing is when Jennifer Lawrence 263 00:10:47,984 --> 00:10:49,904 Speaker 2: said that the one she said publicly, the one thing 264 00:10:49,944 --> 00:10:51,944 Speaker 2: she wants to know was what happened between Carly. 265 00:10:51,784 --> 00:10:53,224 Speaker 1: Coss and Taylor Swift. Me too. 266 00:10:53,304 --> 00:10:54,864 Speaker 2: I was like, if Jennifer Lawrence doesn't know, how the 267 00:10:54,904 --> 00:10:56,064 Speaker 2: rest of us going to find out. 268 00:10:56,064 --> 00:10:57,784 Speaker 3: She wasn't that girl gang for a tiny little bit 269 00:10:57,824 --> 00:10:59,624 Speaker 3: of yeah, medications. 270 00:10:59,904 --> 00:11:02,424 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the song Closure, which is one of Taylor 271 00:11:02,424 --> 00:11:04,424 Speaker 1: Swift's songs that does address the idea of like being 272 00:11:04,424 --> 00:11:06,664 Speaker 1: betrayed by a friend and how that friend sent her 273 00:11:06,704 --> 00:11:08,824 Speaker 1: a letter and she doesn't care about the letter. So 274 00:11:09,264 --> 00:11:11,744 Speaker 1: that's definitely believed about carl And it does hint it 275 00:11:11,784 --> 00:11:13,144 Speaker 1: maybe seem Scooter drama. 276 00:11:13,584 --> 00:11:16,264 Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, Well, bold of Karli to go, but appreciate it. 277 00:11:16,304 --> 00:11:17,824 Speaker 2: She didn't want to miss out on the RAS tour. 278 00:11:18,864 --> 00:11:20,664 Speaker 2: She was there to have fun. Yeah, and I think 279 00:11:20,704 --> 00:11:22,944 Speaker 2: so many, like the Royals, obviously that was a big deal. 280 00:11:23,384 --> 00:11:26,184 Speaker 1: Yes, that was a big deal for many reasons. To me, 281 00:11:26,384 --> 00:11:28,264 Speaker 1: the only reason I cared was that when they took 282 00:11:28,264 --> 00:11:30,904 Speaker 1: a selfie. They let Travis Kelce join in on the 283 00:11:30,944 --> 00:11:33,264 Speaker 1: photograph and that was the very first time that Taylor 284 00:11:33,264 --> 00:11:36,384 Speaker 1: ever posted her Travis Kelce romance on her grid. So 285 00:11:36,424 --> 00:11:40,144 Speaker 1: I care and Prince William and the kids were also there. 286 00:11:40,704 --> 00:11:42,184 Speaker 2: Well, a lot of people are saying too, like there's 287 00:11:42,224 --> 00:11:44,624 Speaker 2: so many different celebrity guests with so much baggage as 288 00:11:44,624 --> 00:11:46,744 Speaker 2: we've just got into who went to these different events 289 00:11:46,944 --> 00:11:48,664 Speaker 2: that it's almost like if you post one, you have 290 00:11:48,664 --> 00:11:50,584 Speaker 2: to post another. Then people like it's like when Katy 291 00:11:50,664 --> 00:11:52,624 Speaker 2: Perry was at the Australian Tour, like if she posts 292 00:11:52,624 --> 00:11:55,104 Speaker 2: her and not someone else after they had a falling out, 293 00:11:55,104 --> 00:11:57,624 Speaker 2: like it's very political. But with the Royals, it was 294 00:11:57,664 --> 00:12:00,144 Speaker 2: like they're their own separate form of celebrity, so it 295 00:12:00,184 --> 00:12:03,184 Speaker 2: wouldn't have been like trading on any other relationships. No. 296 00:12:03,224 --> 00:12:05,064 Speaker 1: People still got mad though, because people were like, how 297 00:12:05,144 --> 00:12:07,144 Speaker 1: dare you show the Royals? We hate the Royals? And 298 00:12:07,184 --> 00:12:09,264 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, same, but what are you gonna do? 299 00:12:09,344 --> 00:12:11,464 Speaker 3: That's fine? Photo would Prince only I'm. 300 00:12:12,584 --> 00:12:20,104 Speaker 1: Straight, honestly, Prince georgeouldn't I This has been the most 301 00:12:20,224 --> 00:12:24,144 Speaker 1: extraordinary experience of my entire life. Are you ready thought, 302 00:12:25,024 --> 00:12:26,304 Speaker 1: I'll be your host this evening. 303 00:12:26,384 --> 00:12:28,984 Speaker 3: My name is Taylor, and welcome to the Era's Tour. 304 00:12:32,024 --> 00:12:33,984 Speaker 2: Well do we have to touch on Travis Kelsey? Now, 305 00:12:34,104 --> 00:12:36,944 Speaker 2: obviously the tour would have been huge without him, and 306 00:12:36,944 --> 00:12:39,024 Speaker 2: it already was before they started dating, because they started 307 00:12:39,064 --> 00:12:40,944 Speaker 2: dating when she has got quite a few shows in 308 00:12:41,224 --> 00:12:43,144 Speaker 2: and after Matt Healley. 309 00:12:43,264 --> 00:12:45,264 Speaker 3: She went through more relationships on that tour than I 310 00:12:45,304 --> 00:12:47,024 Speaker 3: have my entire life. 311 00:12:47,504 --> 00:12:50,384 Speaker 1: She had her tumultuous time and like it led to 312 00:12:50,504 --> 00:12:53,144 Speaker 1: new music, it changed the tour completely. It was wild. 313 00:12:53,424 --> 00:12:57,304 Speaker 2: Did people think that she was sending messages to Maddie Healy. 314 00:12:57,184 --> 00:13:00,424 Speaker 3: Because they were both so crich I'm sorry, Taylor SWI fans. 315 00:13:00,424 --> 00:13:01,704 Speaker 3: So that was the worst thing I've ever done. 316 00:13:01,744 --> 00:13:03,384 Speaker 1: Do you think they were doing that? They did? 317 00:13:03,584 --> 00:13:06,784 Speaker 3: They did do that. They were mouthing, mouthing to the cameras, like, 318 00:13:06,784 --> 00:13:07,944 Speaker 3: why are you making me part of this? 319 00:13:08,584 --> 00:13:09,624 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to watch a show. 320 00:13:09,784 --> 00:13:12,064 Speaker 3: Say that to each how the texted maybe. 321 00:13:11,944 --> 00:13:14,104 Speaker 2: Oh see for me, that was like the best day 322 00:13:14,104 --> 00:13:18,104 Speaker 2: on the d time on the target market. So what 323 00:13:18,144 --> 00:13:20,144 Speaker 2: Emily is referring to she couldn't even say because she's 324 00:13:20,144 --> 00:13:23,304 Speaker 2: so disgusted. She's on the floor is that when Matt 325 00:13:23,344 --> 00:13:27,544 Speaker 2: Healey and Taylor Swiff were courting at the time in 326 00:13:27,624 --> 00:13:29,744 Speaker 2: less situation, they were in a situation ship they were 327 00:13:29,784 --> 00:13:32,184 Speaker 2: both also touring, and they would mouth to each other, 328 00:13:32,224 --> 00:13:32,704 Speaker 2: I love you. 329 00:13:33,384 --> 00:13:35,344 Speaker 3: I would say this is for you. You know who 330 00:13:35,344 --> 00:13:35,664 Speaker 3: you are. 331 00:13:35,824 --> 00:13:40,024 Speaker 1: I love you. But you guys the law story. 332 00:13:40,144 --> 00:13:42,104 Speaker 3: This is what makes me believe the Carlie Cloth thing, 333 00:13:42,144 --> 00:13:44,304 Speaker 3: because the fans will right about the Matti Heey thing. 334 00:13:44,464 --> 00:13:47,504 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, obviously, like, yeah, she broke up with Joe 335 00:13:47,984 --> 00:13:50,024 Speaker 1: at some unknown time. It's kind of believed it was 336 00:13:50,104 --> 00:13:52,744 Speaker 1: right as the Airs tour started, because it was revealed 337 00:13:53,184 --> 00:13:54,944 Speaker 1: about a month in and they said, like, it's been 338 00:13:54,984 --> 00:13:56,664 Speaker 1: a few weeks since the split. Yeah, and he never 339 00:13:56,704 --> 00:13:59,024 Speaker 1: went to any show, so it's pretty much assumed that, like. 340 00:13:59,064 --> 00:14:00,624 Speaker 2: Right, it's a breakup having beforehand. 341 00:14:00,704 --> 00:14:03,104 Speaker 1: Yeah, but a little bit in she removed one of 342 00:14:03,104 --> 00:14:05,624 Speaker 1: her songs from the set list, which was Invisible String, 343 00:14:05,664 --> 00:14:07,384 Speaker 1: which is choose like a song about how much you 344 00:14:07,424 --> 00:14:09,064 Speaker 1: know she loves him and they were always tied together 345 00:14:09,064 --> 00:14:10,584 Speaker 1: and they were always going to be together, and she 346 00:14:10,584 --> 00:14:12,184 Speaker 1: took that out. She took it out, and she replaced 347 00:14:12,224 --> 00:14:14,304 Speaker 1: it with a song called The One, which is like, oh, well, 348 00:14:14,464 --> 00:14:15,824 Speaker 1: maybe you would have been the one if you didn't 349 00:14:15,864 --> 00:14:16,784 Speaker 1: like break my heart. 350 00:14:16,824 --> 00:14:19,504 Speaker 3: Oh such that performance of that song was so good. 351 00:14:19,464 --> 00:14:21,944 Speaker 1: Beautiful, and so she did that and then we're all like, oh, 352 00:14:21,944 --> 00:14:25,544 Speaker 1: she's heartbroken. This is so sad. And then look out 353 00:14:25,544 --> 00:14:28,504 Speaker 1: the son's like she's dating Maddie Heally. As someone who's 354 00:14:28,504 --> 00:14:31,264 Speaker 1: a fan of the nineteen seventy five and Taylor Swift, 355 00:14:31,584 --> 00:14:34,464 Speaker 1: I was like, that's not true. They're just really good friends. 356 00:14:34,544 --> 00:14:36,464 Speaker 1: It's like your two best friends starting to date. It's weird. 357 00:14:36,584 --> 00:14:38,624 Speaker 1: It was very weird, and you know they've had a 358 00:14:38,664 --> 00:14:41,744 Speaker 1: really friendly relationship for years. 359 00:14:41,504 --> 00:14:44,344 Speaker 3: She performed with him more genius for her. 360 00:14:44,544 --> 00:14:46,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, So it was all very like, oh, surely they're 361 00:14:46,584 --> 00:14:48,704 Speaker 1: just friends and this is you know, tablit goss. And 362 00:14:48,744 --> 00:14:52,384 Speaker 1: then it's like, oh, here's a pick of them holding hands, suspicious. 363 00:14:51,944 --> 00:14:53,224 Speaker 3: Like I hold hands with my friends. 364 00:14:53,264 --> 00:14:56,064 Speaker 1: I do too all the time. In fact, handholding with 365 00:14:56,104 --> 00:14:58,104 Speaker 1: friends is a big part of the Karli and Taylor 366 00:14:58,184 --> 00:15:01,624 Speaker 1: Laurie's well. But obviously there were like little bits and 367 00:15:01,624 --> 00:15:03,144 Speaker 1: pieces here and there, and then I think it was 368 00:15:03,184 --> 00:15:06,944 Speaker 1: the mouthing on stage that everyone went, oh, this is happening, 369 00:15:07,544 --> 00:15:10,224 Speaker 1: And during his song about you, which he'd previously revealed, 370 00:15:10,344 --> 00:15:12,064 Speaker 1: he wrote about a form of flame here we tried 371 00:15:12,104 --> 00:15:14,704 Speaker 1: to get back. He mauled the words like this is 372 00:15:14,704 --> 00:15:16,704 Speaker 1: about you, you know who you are, I love you, 373 00:15:17,224 --> 00:15:19,784 Speaker 1: And then she did the same during her song Cardigan, 374 00:15:20,144 --> 00:15:23,304 Speaker 1: and everyone went late Cardigan's about Mattie Heally, What the hell? 375 00:15:24,344 --> 00:15:26,664 Speaker 1: And so then there was like a fact finding expedition. 376 00:15:26,744 --> 00:15:29,224 Speaker 1: Everyone's like, which songs in the law are about Maddie? 377 00:15:29,384 --> 00:15:32,784 Speaker 1: How long has this situation ship been going? Eventually because 378 00:15:32,784 --> 00:15:35,104 Speaker 1: of tortured poets, we found out like ten years, so 379 00:15:35,864 --> 00:15:39,224 Speaker 1: big drama. But the Mattie Heey stuff was very shocking 380 00:15:39,264 --> 00:15:42,104 Speaker 1: and obviously a lot of people hate Matti Heally for well, 381 00:15:42,144 --> 00:15:45,384 Speaker 1: he said some very problems, very problematic and very valid reasons, 382 00:15:45,584 --> 00:15:49,064 Speaker 1: so that relationship was just under a microscope immediately for 383 00:15:49,104 --> 00:15:51,464 Speaker 1: all these reasons. He's done some pretty pretty dodgy and 384 00:15:51,504 --> 00:15:51,944 Speaker 1: bad things. 385 00:15:52,624 --> 00:15:54,984 Speaker 2: And then after that sort of situation ended and we 386 00:15:55,024 --> 00:15:57,384 Speaker 2: got a whole album about that's it about that ending. 387 00:15:57,464 --> 00:15:58,784 Speaker 3: We all thought it was going to be a bad 388 00:15:58,864 --> 00:16:02,064 Speaker 3: Joe Allen like Majrod of the songs, which makes sense 389 00:16:02,064 --> 00:16:03,304 Speaker 3: if you've ever been in a situation. 390 00:16:03,504 --> 00:16:05,344 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the ones that'll get under your skin. And 391 00:16:05,384 --> 00:16:07,424 Speaker 2: then we got into the Travis Kelsey era and obviously 392 00:16:07,424 --> 00:16:08,944 Speaker 2: we're going to talk more about the actual show, but 393 00:16:08,984 --> 00:16:12,464 Speaker 2: this has been playing out like a movie alongside the tour, 394 00:16:12,504 --> 00:16:14,024 Speaker 2: and I think that's one of the reasons people have 395 00:16:14,064 --> 00:16:15,424 Speaker 2: been I mean, people would have been invested in. 396 00:16:15,464 --> 00:16:17,344 Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure there is a Hallmark movie that's no 397 00:16:17,384 --> 00:16:18,224 Speaker 3: there is aunt. 398 00:16:18,584 --> 00:16:21,784 Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey's mom's in it. She does a cameo and 399 00:16:21,864 --> 00:16:23,984 Speaker 1: Joey King's sister, isn't it And Joey King was in 400 00:16:24,024 --> 00:16:26,184 Speaker 1: one of Taylor's videos that was released during the eras 401 00:16:26,224 --> 00:16:28,944 Speaker 1: to It's very an incestuous. 402 00:16:28,264 --> 00:16:32,784 Speaker 2: Little group and the stage man. But we started hearing 403 00:16:32,864 --> 00:16:35,064 Speaker 2: rumors about a year ago. Now has that oh that's 404 00:16:35,104 --> 00:16:38,184 Speaker 2: crazy kids about Travis Kelcey and Taylor's switch. And I've 405 00:16:38,224 --> 00:16:39,424 Speaker 2: got to say it. First, I was like, can this 406 00:16:39,464 --> 00:16:42,824 Speaker 2: guy step off? He's trying to like attach himself to 407 00:16:42,904 --> 00:16:45,264 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift's fame and they're not involved in any way. 408 00:16:45,304 --> 00:16:47,224 Speaker 2: And I was wrong because then she showed up at 409 00:16:47,224 --> 00:16:50,184 Speaker 2: his game of some sporty plays and then he just 410 00:16:50,224 --> 00:16:54,104 Speaker 2: really loves his Girlfriends were like, we don't understand the 411 00:16:54,104 --> 00:16:55,824 Speaker 2: first time she called out to him, the guy and 412 00:16:55,864 --> 00:16:57,264 Speaker 2: the chiefs coming straight home to me. 413 00:16:57,984 --> 00:17:00,344 Speaker 3: Oh my god, my TikTok. I remember sitting on the 414 00:17:00,344 --> 00:17:03,864 Speaker 3: toilet watching that. That's where I do my team scrolling. 415 00:17:04,104 --> 00:17:07,224 Speaker 3: Can you blame me? It's really helpful in those situations. 416 00:17:07,464 --> 00:17:10,984 Speaker 3: And I remember sitting there going, oh my god. And 417 00:17:11,024 --> 00:17:12,264 Speaker 3: now I have to stay here because I have to 418 00:17:12,264 --> 00:17:13,184 Speaker 3: watch every singer video. 419 00:17:13,544 --> 00:17:15,784 Speaker 2: Can I say? I am not usually like pulled into 420 00:17:15,784 --> 00:17:17,624 Speaker 2: this sort of stuff in like a fandom way. 421 00:17:17,664 --> 00:17:20,584 Speaker 1: I do it for work, but that, honestly. 422 00:17:20,464 --> 00:17:21,784 Speaker 3: I giggled like a little girl. 423 00:17:21,944 --> 00:17:24,504 Speaker 2: It literally just gave me goose bombs because I don't 424 00:17:24,544 --> 00:17:26,984 Speaker 2: know why. It's just again, it just feels like a movie. 425 00:17:27,144 --> 00:17:29,784 Speaker 3: And all her backup dwans are looking shocked but happy something, and. 426 00:17:29,784 --> 00:17:32,504 Speaker 2: They screamed, and you can feel everyone in the audience screamed. 427 00:17:32,504 --> 00:17:34,184 Speaker 2: And the best part is like Travis is there and 428 00:17:34,224 --> 00:17:36,064 Speaker 2: then Taylor's dad's next to him puts his hand for 429 00:17:36,104 --> 00:17:38,704 Speaker 2: a tire five and Travis doesn't see it. I just 430 00:17:38,784 --> 00:17:40,824 Speaker 2: ignores him. In Scott Swift is that his dad's it 431 00:17:40,944 --> 00:17:41,944 Speaker 2: just goes okay. 432 00:17:42,184 --> 00:17:45,744 Speaker 1: That down Scott is like his daughter's number one fan, 433 00:17:45,824 --> 00:17:48,064 Speaker 1: but he was the number one fan of Travis K yes, 434 00:17:48,224 --> 00:17:50,584 Speaker 1: like he's obsessed with this relationship, like I am Scott, 435 00:17:50,664 --> 00:17:52,504 Speaker 1: here's me and then we got to sort of see 436 00:17:52,504 --> 00:17:54,744 Speaker 1: it happen because like he came to any Australian shows, 437 00:17:54,744 --> 00:17:57,384 Speaker 1: not the one I went to or you nor me. 438 00:17:58,304 --> 00:18:00,384 Speaker 2: But how do you think from a fandom point of view, 439 00:18:00,384 --> 00:18:01,624 Speaker 2: how did that kind of affect the tour? 440 00:18:01,704 --> 00:18:06,864 Speaker 3: And do you think he liked our zooe? She probably 441 00:18:06,864 --> 00:18:08,744 Speaker 3: went twice to see if he would like it and. 442 00:18:08,704 --> 00:18:11,304 Speaker 2: Then yeah, she didn't recon she wants to and had 443 00:18:11,304 --> 00:18:12,824 Speaker 2: to make sure she didn't get eaten because she's like 444 00:18:12,904 --> 00:18:13,464 Speaker 2: that tall. 445 00:18:14,584 --> 00:18:15,904 Speaker 3: Because I guess that contracted. 446 00:18:16,544 --> 00:18:18,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if they liked the zoo I 447 00:18:18,744 --> 00:18:23,264 Speaker 1: don't know. I think I think around that Travis has 448 00:18:23,304 --> 00:18:25,064 Speaker 1: had to get used to like a really different world 449 00:18:25,144 --> 00:18:26,704 Speaker 1: than he was used to. He was famous, but he 450 00:18:26,784 --> 00:18:28,904 Speaker 1: was not this famous, Like he moved house once they 451 00:18:28,944 --> 00:18:31,544 Speaker 1: started dating. His whole family had to change the way 452 00:18:31,544 --> 00:18:33,984 Speaker 1: they looked at security and stuff, like wildly different levels 453 00:18:33,984 --> 00:18:34,224 Speaker 1: of fame. 454 00:18:34,304 --> 00:18:36,584 Speaker 2: But Kelsey family has said that like, yes they'm very famous, 455 00:18:36,624 --> 00:18:38,784 Speaker 2: but not this level of famous. That's why those sports 456 00:18:38,824 --> 00:18:41,544 Speaker 2: bros who were like, oh, people like don't understand that 457 00:18:41,584 --> 00:18:43,824 Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey was famous. It's like he wasn't that famous. 458 00:18:43,864 --> 00:18:45,144 Speaker 2: He just wasn't step off there. 459 00:18:45,304 --> 00:18:48,584 Speaker 1: But yeah, when the friendship bracelet thing happened, I also 460 00:18:48,624 --> 00:18:49,984 Speaker 1: felt the same. I was like, why is this guy 461 00:18:50,064 --> 00:18:52,144 Speaker 1: talking about Taylor Swift, like stop trying. 462 00:18:51,904 --> 00:18:54,984 Speaker 3: To why is his podcast always coming up with my TikTok? 463 00:18:55,024 --> 00:18:58,184 Speaker 1: And it was the first time I seemed like him 464 00:18:58,184 --> 00:19:00,184 Speaker 1: and Jason a few times on my TikTok, But when 465 00:19:00,184 --> 00:19:01,944 Speaker 1: that one came up and everyone's like, this is so cute, 466 00:19:01,984 --> 00:19:04,144 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, it kind of like NFL player ill. 467 00:19:04,464 --> 00:19:06,304 Speaker 1: That was honestly my reaction. I was like, I'm sure 468 00:19:06,304 --> 00:19:08,704 Speaker 1: he's a bit of a numpty and she's had enough 469 00:19:08,704 --> 00:19:11,424 Speaker 1: of those, but as he's the right nump but he 470 00:19:11,464 --> 00:19:14,184 Speaker 1: is the right one. And then it turned out he 471 00:19:14,224 --> 00:19:16,504 Speaker 1: was an angel. But as the kind of thing progressed 472 00:19:16,584 --> 00:19:18,744 Speaker 1: because fans, what we saw was, yeah, this guy goes, oh, 473 00:19:18,864 --> 00:19:21,704 Speaker 1: I made her a friendship bracelet. She we didn't meet, 474 00:19:21,784 --> 00:19:23,464 Speaker 1: oh no, and then he's like, oh, maybe she should 475 00:19:23,504 --> 00:19:24,984 Speaker 1: come to my game. And then she just appears at 476 00:19:24,984 --> 00:19:27,984 Speaker 1: the game like it was high school musical on steroids. 477 00:19:28,824 --> 00:19:31,184 Speaker 1: She's in the stands like mouth open, like how am 478 00:19:31,144 --> 00:19:34,424 Speaker 1: my god? Celebrating like she was truly having the best 479 00:19:34,464 --> 00:19:38,024 Speaker 1: time and he's just there winning his game and super 480 00:19:38,064 --> 00:19:41,184 Speaker 1: Bowl like it was nuts. And then to drive away 481 00:19:41,224 --> 00:19:43,584 Speaker 1: in their little getaway car convertible, like I think fans 482 00:19:43,584 --> 00:19:46,184 Speaker 1: are used to seeing her in recent years like literally 483 00:19:46,344 --> 00:19:48,904 Speaker 1: run to her car with Joe Allen and get into 484 00:19:48,904 --> 00:19:52,184 Speaker 1: heavily armored vehicles, not being public life, not do anything. 485 00:19:52,224 --> 00:19:54,344 Speaker 1: So to then be in a relationship with this football 486 00:19:54,344 --> 00:19:56,664 Speaker 1: player who's like, come meet my whole family, let's hang 487 00:19:56,704 --> 00:19:57,304 Speaker 1: out in the box. 488 00:19:57,464 --> 00:19:58,064 Speaker 3: I loved you. 489 00:19:58,544 --> 00:20:00,904 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it was very different. So as much as 490 00:20:00,904 --> 00:20:04,064 Speaker 1: people like don't talk about her romance, like her romances 491 00:20:04,064 --> 00:20:07,264 Speaker 1: on this tour completely changed the way the tool was. 492 00:20:07,704 --> 00:20:10,384 Speaker 1: She released entirely new music, she reformedt the tours, you 493 00:20:10,504 --> 00:20:12,704 Speaker 1: changed lyrics on stage. I think it had a really 494 00:20:13,224 --> 00:20:15,464 Speaker 1: different feel at the start and at the end. Yeah, 495 00:20:15,624 --> 00:20:18,264 Speaker 1: as a result of the traves relationship break. 496 00:20:18,064 --> 00:20:19,944 Speaker 2: Up to it at the beginning and by the end 497 00:20:19,944 --> 00:20:21,624 Speaker 2: of it it's I'm a deeply in love tour. And 498 00:20:21,664 --> 00:20:23,624 Speaker 2: also he got up on stage in costume with her 499 00:20:23,664 --> 00:20:25,704 Speaker 2: at one time, was carrying her around, so like, yeah, 500 00:20:26,104 --> 00:20:27,944 Speaker 2: I think she'd be okay with us discussing. I think 501 00:20:28,144 --> 00:20:30,424 Speaker 2: I think Taita is cool with it now. She's happy. 502 00:20:30,504 --> 00:20:32,824 Speaker 2: She's like, well, match, I love this guy. So to all, 503 00:20:32,904 --> 00:20:35,624 Speaker 2: And obviously this tour has been very groundbreaking. You have 504 00:20:35,704 --> 00:20:36,584 Speaker 2: some stats on. 505 00:20:36,704 --> 00:20:39,264 Speaker 3: Oh, hit me with the stats, because actually. 506 00:20:38,944 --> 00:20:39,944 Speaker 1: These these stuts. 507 00:20:39,944 --> 00:20:41,584 Speaker 2: I know, we knew it was huge, but sometimes when 508 00:20:41,624 --> 00:20:43,024 Speaker 2: you read some of the stats around this show, you 509 00:20:43,104 --> 00:20:44,744 Speaker 2: just like, holy shit, that was a moment in time. 510 00:20:44,984 --> 00:20:47,384 Speaker 1: Yeah. So obviously, look, we've addressed that, like one hundred 511 00:20:47,384 --> 00:20:50,024 Speaker 1: and forty nine of the shows were played across fifty 512 00:20:50,064 --> 00:20:52,944 Speaker 1: three cities. That's like an insane amount of performances. But 513 00:20:53,224 --> 00:20:55,064 Speaker 1: we don't have the official numbers from like what her 514 00:20:55,104 --> 00:20:57,664 Speaker 1: team have released yet because obviously it's literally just ended. 515 00:20:57,784 --> 00:21:00,824 Speaker 1: But more than two point six billion in ticket sales, 516 00:21:01,264 --> 00:21:03,584 Speaker 1: and according to the Washington Post, who did like a 517 00:21:03,624 --> 00:21:05,904 Speaker 1: really big financial breakdown this week, she stands to make 518 00:21:05,984 --> 00:21:09,144 Speaker 1: like four point one billion herself from the tour as 519 00:21:09,144 --> 00:21:11,984 Speaker 1: a result of like her sharing at sales, merchandise, all 520 00:21:12,024 --> 00:21:14,184 Speaker 1: the albums that came as a result album sales. 521 00:21:14,224 --> 00:21:16,984 Speaker 3: That's a lot because usually the performer doesn't make as 522 00:21:17,064 --> 00:21:19,224 Speaker 3: much as like everyone else. That's in lid, like they 523 00:21:19,224 --> 00:21:21,184 Speaker 3: don't take home that much. The fact she's taking over 524 00:21:21,384 --> 00:21:22,424 Speaker 3: like four billion. 525 00:21:22,144 --> 00:21:24,464 Speaker 1: Dollars, yeah, is insane. And then when you add obviously 526 00:21:24,464 --> 00:21:26,824 Speaker 1: the concert film they were filming again all three nights 527 00:21:26,864 --> 00:21:27,384 Speaker 1: in Vancouver. 528 00:21:27,464 --> 00:21:30,104 Speaker 2: They especial was doubling up on outfits right because they're filming. 529 00:21:30,184 --> 00:21:31,944 Speaker 2: Actually very excited for that. Do I want to behind 530 00:21:31,984 --> 00:21:34,624 Speaker 2: the scenes documentary not the concert documentary? Which is great, 531 00:21:34,744 --> 00:21:34,944 Speaker 2: But I. 532 00:21:34,984 --> 00:21:36,944 Speaker 1: Also think they'll release a version of the concert with 533 00:21:36,984 --> 00:21:39,584 Speaker 1: all of the new stuff, because yeah, completely new album, 534 00:21:39,784 --> 00:21:42,744 Speaker 1: different show, change all the sections. That's the facility. You 535 00:21:42,784 --> 00:21:45,344 Speaker 1: didn't get the new album, no, because I'm just really 536 00:21:45,384 --> 00:21:46,344 Speaker 1: glad I got tickets. 537 00:21:46,424 --> 00:21:49,384 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's so nice and need to say, but 538 00:21:49,704 --> 00:21:51,744 Speaker 2: not as intense stuff a fan to be upset about that. 539 00:21:51,744 --> 00:21:54,064 Speaker 2: Like again, there were songs which played the concert that 540 00:21:54,104 --> 00:21:55,984 Speaker 2: I didn't know, Like I knew most of them, so 541 00:21:56,144 --> 00:21:58,704 Speaker 2: I wasn't as upset about not seeing the new stuff. Actually, 542 00:21:58,704 --> 00:22:00,784 Speaker 2: I'd love to ask you about that, because I know 543 00:22:00,864 --> 00:22:03,104 Speaker 2: that before the set list was announced there was a 544 00:22:03,104 --> 00:22:05,264 Speaker 2: lot of I think fans were like quite intense about it. 545 00:22:05,304 --> 00:22:06,944 Speaker 2: There's a lot of politics of which song she was 546 00:22:06,944 --> 00:22:09,384 Speaker 2: going to choose, was there drama there of what the 547 00:22:09,424 --> 00:22:10,864 Speaker 2: final kind of set was. 548 00:22:11,304 --> 00:22:12,984 Speaker 1: There was a bit like people are always going to 549 00:22:13,024 --> 00:22:16,104 Speaker 1: be obviously upset, like you're condensing a seventeen year music 550 00:22:16,104 --> 00:22:17,824 Speaker 1: career into three and a half hours. And as much 551 00:22:17,864 --> 00:22:19,664 Speaker 1: as people were like it's so long, like you only 552 00:22:19,704 --> 00:22:21,144 Speaker 1: have a certain amount of it, I feel like it 553 00:22:21,144 --> 00:22:23,144 Speaker 1: couldn't have been shorter, could not have possibly been. 554 00:22:23,424 --> 00:22:24,424 Speaker 2: She couldn't have cut anything. 555 00:22:24,544 --> 00:22:26,344 Speaker 1: No, And like a lot of her things, so say 556 00:22:26,384 --> 00:22:28,064 Speaker 1: like in the Red Era or in nineteen eighty nine, 557 00:22:28,104 --> 00:22:29,464 Speaker 1: she's like a lot of mash ups. So she won't 558 00:22:29,464 --> 00:22:31,184 Speaker 1: sing the whole song. She'll sing a bit here, and 559 00:22:31,184 --> 00:22:32,904 Speaker 1: then it goes into this other song and she might 560 00:22:32,904 --> 00:22:35,184 Speaker 1: sing a verse in a chorus, so she's already condensed it. 561 00:22:35,384 --> 00:22:37,024 Speaker 1: I think the main thing people were upset about was 562 00:22:37,104 --> 00:22:39,264 Speaker 1: kind of the lack of debut, So she didn't have 563 00:22:39,304 --> 00:22:42,784 Speaker 1: any set songs from her first album, but she played 564 00:22:42,824 --> 00:22:43,104 Speaker 1: all of. 565 00:22:43,064 --> 00:22:44,784 Speaker 3: Them when she got on the new album. She had 566 00:22:44,824 --> 00:22:48,304 Speaker 3: literally one song of speak Now and then the massive. 567 00:22:48,024 --> 00:22:50,384 Speaker 1: Organn and she left my favorite part of that is 568 00:22:50,424 --> 00:22:52,384 Speaker 1: there for like just a little while. She added long 569 00:22:52,424 --> 00:22:55,264 Speaker 1: Live and then she was like I'm over it. 570 00:22:56,504 --> 00:22:58,264 Speaker 3: I thank you guys, and if she's. 571 00:22:58,104 --> 00:23:00,144 Speaker 1: Never dad, you've had enough. But she sang it for 572 00:23:00,144 --> 00:23:02,184 Speaker 1: her last night, so she would bring the songs back 573 00:23:02,224 --> 00:23:05,344 Speaker 1: by doing like the little surprise songs every single night. 574 00:23:05,424 --> 00:23:07,584 Speaker 1: So there's only like three or four songs from her 575 00:23:07,704 --> 00:23:10,944 Speaker 1: entire discography that didn't make it into the surprise song section. 576 00:23:11,104 --> 00:23:12,984 Speaker 1: So even if the whole show didn't have it, she 577 00:23:13,064 --> 00:23:15,384 Speaker 1: played it at some point. Guys, let's just be grateful. 578 00:23:23,584 --> 00:23:25,904 Speaker 2: Interesting and just on the timing of that, like the 579 00:23:25,944 --> 00:23:29,064 Speaker 2: stamina of that woman to do that show, to be singing, 580 00:23:29,264 --> 00:23:31,704 Speaker 2: because she's definitely singing live right, yeah, And you can. 581 00:23:31,544 --> 00:23:33,384 Speaker 1: Tell because I mean I think it was dirty dog 582 00:23:33,464 --> 00:23:36,504 Speaker 1: Dave Grohl who made some comments about how he plays 583 00:23:36,584 --> 00:23:39,024 Speaker 1: live and you know, so he calls it his errors Tour, 584 00:23:39,184 --> 00:23:45,224 Speaker 1: but actually the swiftiest stuf, yeah, Tay voodoo. But the 585 00:23:45,424 --> 00:23:47,184 Speaker 1: thing that he said was like, oh, we're the Errors Tour. 586 00:23:47,224 --> 00:23:48,784 Speaker 1: But fans had been calling it that because she'd be 587 00:23:48,784 --> 00:23:51,384 Speaker 1: singing and she'd swallow a bug or something and start coughing, 588 00:23:51,504 --> 00:23:53,264 Speaker 1: or like she'd sing the wrong note or the wrong 589 00:23:53,304 --> 00:23:55,344 Speaker 1: word and be like, sorry, guys, let's start that again. 590 00:23:55,704 --> 00:23:57,744 Speaker 1: So she made it pretty clear she was singing live, 591 00:23:57,824 --> 00:24:00,424 Speaker 1: she obviously had like any performer doing that length of 592 00:24:00,424 --> 00:24:02,224 Speaker 1: a show that's backing vocals. 593 00:24:02,024 --> 00:24:03,864 Speaker 2: Yeah, so she could have heard the music coming through 594 00:24:03,864 --> 00:24:07,024 Speaker 2: her earbit. She just singing, singing guys for that amount 595 00:24:07,064 --> 00:24:08,984 Speaker 2: of time. Yeah, it was all those little kind of 596 00:24:09,024 --> 00:24:11,744 Speaker 2: like mistakes or things that happened. I thought that made 597 00:24:11,744 --> 00:24:13,624 Speaker 2: it like quite endearing and like they were. 598 00:24:13,544 --> 00:24:15,664 Speaker 3: The moment You may be right, Yeah, every I feel 599 00:24:15,704 --> 00:24:18,864 Speaker 3: like everyone would feel so special, like not witnessing a mistake, 600 00:24:18,904 --> 00:24:20,424 Speaker 3: but witnessing like a unique. 601 00:24:20,304 --> 00:24:21,664 Speaker 1: Well that's the whole thing of seeing it live. 602 00:24:21,704 --> 00:24:24,064 Speaker 2: If you're gonna see the same kind of show perfectly 603 00:24:24,544 --> 00:24:27,104 Speaker 2: laid out every night, there's not that anticipation, like you're saying, 604 00:24:27,104 --> 00:24:29,184 Speaker 2: what's going to happen? So like, none of these happened 605 00:24:29,184 --> 00:24:30,904 Speaker 2: at my show. My show was pretty much you know, 606 00:24:31,104 --> 00:24:32,704 Speaker 2: I don't think there are any kind of big mistakes. 607 00:24:32,704 --> 00:24:35,304 Speaker 2: But yeah, her swallowing a bug, the piano paying playing 608 00:24:35,344 --> 00:24:37,344 Speaker 2: by itself, the time she fell down the stairs of 609 00:24:37,384 --> 00:24:42,584 Speaker 2: the Folklore cabin got caught in her cape like. 610 00:24:41,264 --> 00:24:42,224 Speaker 3: Like the rain shows. 611 00:24:41,984 --> 00:24:42,944 Speaker 1: Would have been so fun. 612 00:24:42,984 --> 00:24:45,104 Speaker 3: I would hated that, but I would have loved to 613 00:24:45,144 --> 00:24:45,584 Speaker 3: watch it. 614 00:24:45,984 --> 00:24:47,584 Speaker 2: Yeah, the fact that she likes the rain show. Well, 615 00:24:47,584 --> 00:24:49,904 Speaker 2: that's the thing, like because you can't really I know, 616 00:24:49,984 --> 00:24:51,784 Speaker 2: she ended up canceling some shows, which we're going to 617 00:24:51,864 --> 00:24:53,744 Speaker 2: get into now, but there was a lot to do 618 00:24:53,784 --> 00:24:56,424 Speaker 2: with it in terms of like the weather and the crowds, 619 00:24:56,424 --> 00:24:58,344 Speaker 2: and I think it all can look a bit like 620 00:24:58,424 --> 00:25:00,664 Speaker 2: fun and frivolous from the outside of like friendship bracelets 621 00:25:00,664 --> 00:25:03,144 Speaker 2: and stuff, But when you're having that amount of people 622 00:25:03,664 --> 00:25:05,864 Speaker 2: travel and be in the same space, there's like a 623 00:25:05,944 --> 00:25:07,424 Speaker 2: lot of safety concerns that come up. 624 00:25:07,504 --> 00:25:09,584 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I mean even if you just look 625 00:25:09,584 --> 00:25:12,424 Speaker 1: at something as simple like her outfit changes, Like from 626 00:25:12,464 --> 00:25:14,264 Speaker 1: what we've seen behind the scenes, there's like a rocket 627 00:25:14,264 --> 00:25:16,424 Speaker 1: thing that propelled her from the bottom of the stage 628 00:25:16,464 --> 00:25:18,184 Speaker 1: to the top, and they all just an outfit change, 629 00:25:18,304 --> 00:25:20,024 Speaker 1: Like I really want to write on that thing. Yeah, 630 00:25:20,104 --> 00:25:21,944 Speaker 1: but like there's all this stuff going on behind the 631 00:25:21,944 --> 00:25:24,544 Speaker 1: scenes that makes it seem really effortless. But obviously it's 632 00:25:24,584 --> 00:25:27,024 Speaker 1: a massive deal to ship that stage around and rering 633 00:25:27,104 --> 00:25:29,584 Speaker 1: all these people around and make sure that everything's yeah 634 00:25:29,664 --> 00:25:31,784 Speaker 1: pulled together. So to pull it off pretty seamlessly for 635 00:25:31,784 --> 00:25:34,824 Speaker 1: like almost one hundred and fifty shows is wild. Yeah, 636 00:25:35,144 --> 00:25:38,064 Speaker 1: but there were some very serious moments, yes, yes, of course. 637 00:25:38,304 --> 00:25:40,584 Speaker 1: So there was a situation in Vienna in August twenty 638 00:25:40,624 --> 00:25:43,664 Speaker 1: twenty four where there was a planned terrorist attack that 639 00:25:43,744 --> 00:25:45,824 Speaker 1: was thwarted, but it did mean that she canceled three 640 00:25:45,864 --> 00:25:46,384 Speaker 1: of her shows. 641 00:25:46,384 --> 00:25:48,224 Speaker 3: Well that's the only show she canceled the whole top. 642 00:25:48,544 --> 00:25:50,464 Speaker 1: Yes, so she canceled the three in Vienna, and she 643 00:25:50,504 --> 00:25:52,704 Speaker 1: did postpone one as a result of a heat wave. 644 00:25:53,064 --> 00:25:55,864 Speaker 2: The Vienna situation I think was so terrifying for so 645 00:25:55,944 --> 00:25:58,304 Speaker 2: many people because and so sad obviously, because there were 646 00:25:58,304 --> 00:25:59,944 Speaker 2: all those videos of people who were about to get 647 00:25:59,944 --> 00:26:02,584 Speaker 2: on flights and who were already there who were just 648 00:26:02,624 --> 00:26:05,664 Speaker 2: absolutely distraught as you can imagine missing out on that. 649 00:26:05,824 --> 00:26:08,264 Speaker 2: But then also just like the fear of this event 650 00:26:08,344 --> 00:26:11,024 Speaker 2: that is all about, you know, friendship and sisterhood and 651 00:26:11,064 --> 00:26:14,744 Speaker 2: people coming together had been destroyed because of something so awful. 652 00:26:14,824 --> 00:26:16,784 Speaker 2: And then there was all that backlash against Taylor Swift 653 00:26:16,784 --> 00:26:18,784 Speaker 2: from some people not everyone, who were saying that she 654 00:26:18,784 --> 00:26:20,384 Speaker 2: should have spoken on it, she should have come out 655 00:26:20,424 --> 00:26:23,024 Speaker 2: really statements, and at the time, I think, you know, 656 00:26:23,064 --> 00:26:25,144 Speaker 2: we were seing on the podcast like she's obviously dealing 657 00:26:25,184 --> 00:26:27,384 Speaker 2: with authorities behind the scenes around there, and she would 658 00:26:27,384 --> 00:26:29,384 Speaker 2: have telling her voice. They would be telling her what 659 00:26:29,504 --> 00:26:32,464 Speaker 2: to do, and she's obviously following their instructions to the letters, 660 00:26:32,504 --> 00:26:35,344 Speaker 2: so she can't release a statement. And then people they 661 00:26:35,384 --> 00:26:37,504 Speaker 2: were like singing through the streets and everything, right. 662 00:26:37,544 --> 00:26:39,824 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was like an entire evening where people sang 663 00:26:39,984 --> 00:26:42,264 Speaker 1: the entirety of the concert, like out on the streets, 664 00:26:42,264 --> 00:26:44,304 Speaker 1: which was really lovely and like fans found a way 665 00:26:44,344 --> 00:26:47,264 Speaker 1: to have their swift moment. But yeah, she wasn't able 666 00:26:47,304 --> 00:26:50,024 Speaker 1: to continue with doing the shows, and she also obviously 667 00:26:50,104 --> 00:26:52,424 Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to speak for a while, so it was 668 00:26:52,504 --> 00:26:54,504 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure from people, like to make sure 669 00:26:54,544 --> 00:26:56,824 Speaker 1: she spoke out about it, but I think people forget that. Yeah, 670 00:26:56,824 --> 00:26:58,904 Speaker 1: there's more going on behind the scenes with any sort 671 00:26:58,904 --> 00:27:02,264 Speaker 1: of serious news event, Yeah, exactly. And then the other 672 00:27:02,504 --> 00:27:05,224 Speaker 1: big kind of tragic headline from the tour was the 673 00:27:05,304 --> 00:27:07,504 Speaker 1: really upsetting death of one of her fans. Her name 674 00:27:07,544 --> 00:27:10,624 Speaker 1: was Anna. She died before the Era's tour show in 675 00:27:10,704 --> 00:27:13,104 Speaker 1: Rio in Brazil. There was a heat wave at the time, 676 00:27:13,464 --> 00:27:16,304 Speaker 1: and she obviously really tragically lost her life. Taylor released 677 00:27:16,304 --> 00:27:19,264 Speaker 1: his statement afterwards about her heartbroken she was. She invited 678 00:27:19,384 --> 00:27:21,584 Speaker 1: Anna's family to come and see her perform in the 679 00:27:21,624 --> 00:27:24,104 Speaker 1: days following her death, they all met and they all spoke, 680 00:27:24,184 --> 00:27:26,744 Speaker 1: and she also donated money to the family as well. 681 00:27:26,784 --> 00:27:29,224 Speaker 1: So it was a really upsetting and obviously very tragic 682 00:27:29,264 --> 00:27:30,504 Speaker 1: situation that happened on the tour. 683 00:27:30,584 --> 00:27:34,544 Speaker 3: The heat Waves concerts were so insane, Yeah, because I know, 684 00:27:34,744 --> 00:27:37,824 Speaker 3: like a lot of those venues don't allow like liquids 685 00:27:37,984 --> 00:27:41,544 Speaker 3: or water in because of security. And you also forget that, 686 00:27:41,904 --> 00:27:43,504 Speaker 3: like this is what I forgot when we were buying 687 00:27:43,544 --> 00:27:46,784 Speaker 3: tickets was I thought I was like the age that 688 00:27:46,984 --> 00:27:49,784 Speaker 3: were her fans, forgetting that with all her new stuff, 689 00:27:49,784 --> 00:27:52,344 Speaker 3: she would have so much younger fans. So many kids there, Yeah, 690 00:27:52,384 --> 00:27:55,224 Speaker 3: there were so many like teeny tiny kids. I think 691 00:27:55,264 --> 00:27:57,344 Speaker 3: Australia did it really well where it wasn't really a 692 00:27:57,344 --> 00:27:59,624 Speaker 3: mosh pit, like it was still seated, but so many 693 00:27:59,624 --> 00:28:02,784 Speaker 3: other places had massive mosh pits with like thousands of people, 694 00:28:02,784 --> 00:28:04,904 Speaker 3: and I can't even imagine like a little kid in 695 00:28:04,904 --> 00:28:07,464 Speaker 3: between a sea of like tall like that's pretty much 696 00:28:07,464 --> 00:28:10,784 Speaker 3: made every concept and like just being stuck there water 697 00:28:10,944 --> 00:28:12,784 Speaker 3: like suffocating, like it's actually quite scary. 698 00:28:12,864 --> 00:28:14,864 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really scary. And I think as well, the 699 00:28:14,904 --> 00:28:16,864 Speaker 1: really good points that Australia seems to have brought in 700 00:28:16,864 --> 00:28:19,184 Speaker 1: at pretty much most concerts now where that mosh pit 701 00:28:19,264 --> 00:28:21,824 Speaker 1: in the big stadiums is like rows and rows of chairs, 702 00:28:21,944 --> 00:28:23,744 Speaker 1: so people can stand and they can dance, but you're 703 00:28:23,744 --> 00:28:28,064 Speaker 1: not cross towards, whereas in other countries around the world, 704 00:28:28,104 --> 00:28:29,944 Speaker 1: like even in the US, we saw people like lightning 705 00:28:29,984 --> 00:28:31,624 Speaker 1: to get the barrier. They want to be as close 706 00:28:31,664 --> 00:28:33,464 Speaker 1: as they can, and it means that if you're standing 707 00:28:33,464 --> 00:28:35,624 Speaker 1: there for hours throughout the day and you're not drinking 708 00:28:35,664 --> 00:28:37,944 Speaker 1: water during a heat wave, it's obviously really dangerous. So 709 00:28:37,984 --> 00:28:40,464 Speaker 1: they did bring in measures at the following concerts to 710 00:28:40,464 --> 00:28:42,384 Speaker 1: make sure there was free water for people to do 711 00:28:42,424 --> 00:28:45,264 Speaker 1: everything that they could. But it's definitely a scary situation 712 00:28:45,344 --> 00:28:46,904 Speaker 1: to be in. Yeah, yeah, it's. 713 00:28:46,784 --> 00:28:50,024 Speaker 2: Just horrifically sad. And when you would see sometimes videos 714 00:28:50,064 --> 00:28:52,704 Speaker 2: of Tailor on stage during those heat wave concerts when 715 00:28:52,744 --> 00:28:55,384 Speaker 2: she was like stopping the show to call Securito to 716 00:28:55,384 --> 00:28:58,304 Speaker 2: give the fans water, but also herself a few times 717 00:28:58,344 --> 00:28:59,744 Speaker 2: just like leaning over and I was like this woman, 718 00:28:59,784 --> 00:29:01,184 Speaker 2: I like watch clips of it and just think this 719 00:29:01,224 --> 00:29:05,264 Speaker 2: one's about to pass out, like absolutely extreme circumstances. But 720 00:29:05,304 --> 00:29:06,904 Speaker 2: I think on the other side of that's something that 721 00:29:06,944 --> 00:29:09,664 Speaker 2: we saw just again from either going to the concerts 722 00:29:09,704 --> 00:29:11,904 Speaker 2: or watching the clip. And the other reason why this 723 00:29:12,024 --> 00:29:14,864 Speaker 2: was such a cultural moment was the fandom that built 724 00:29:14,904 --> 00:29:18,224 Speaker 2: around it, so like along with the friendship bracelets, the 725 00:29:18,264 --> 00:29:20,744 Speaker 2: outfits people wore, and the things you saw of people 726 00:29:20,744 --> 00:29:23,904 Speaker 2: coming together, even people who didn't get tickets having those 727 00:29:23,984 --> 00:29:27,784 Speaker 2: like what are they called tailorgating events Taylor Gating. 728 00:29:28,024 --> 00:29:30,944 Speaker 1: Yeah, like people hanging out outside the concerts and having fun. Yeah. 729 00:29:31,144 --> 00:29:33,864 Speaker 1: I think we've spoken about this, but I've never felt 730 00:29:33,904 --> 00:29:37,024 Speaker 1: so safe walking home from a concert, or like heading 731 00:29:37,024 --> 00:29:38,984 Speaker 1: to a station after a concert. I was like, look 732 00:29:38,984 --> 00:29:40,904 Speaker 1: at all of us, We're all here. Haven't found that for. 733 00:29:40,944 --> 00:29:43,304 Speaker 2: Me was one of the big takeaways from the Tailor 734 00:29:43,344 --> 00:29:44,944 Speaker 2: se of concert. It was so fun too, because I 735 00:29:45,184 --> 00:29:47,704 Speaker 2: walked to the station where the Tailor trains were leaving from, 736 00:29:47,704 --> 00:29:49,744 Speaker 2: which is near my building. Yeah, and I walked down 737 00:29:49,784 --> 00:29:51,704 Speaker 2: there and all of a sudden, as I walked out 738 00:29:51,744 --> 00:29:54,064 Speaker 2: of my building, and I just saw a sea of 739 00:29:54,104 --> 00:29:57,144 Speaker 2: people in sequins and cowboy hats and flower crowns and 740 00:29:57,184 --> 00:30:00,104 Speaker 2: things all walking together to the station. And then you 741 00:30:00,144 --> 00:30:02,144 Speaker 2: get to Central Station Sydney, and when you got to 742 00:30:02,144 --> 00:30:04,024 Speaker 2: the level of where the Tailor trains were leaving from 743 00:30:04,104 --> 00:30:06,264 Speaker 2: the music was pumping and they're like this way of 744 00:30:06,304 --> 00:30:07,464 Speaker 2: the Tailor trains, and it was like. 745 00:30:07,424 --> 00:30:08,904 Speaker 1: Everyone was just like run. 746 00:30:08,904 --> 00:30:11,384 Speaker 2: I feel like I was running with like we were 747 00:30:11,424 --> 00:30:13,824 Speaker 2: all bounding like little deer in a forest to get 748 00:30:13,864 --> 00:30:17,464 Speaker 2: on this train. And then you're leaving, you know, after midnight, 749 00:30:17,504 --> 00:30:20,144 Speaker 2: and usually getting out of one of those concerts is 750 00:30:20,224 --> 00:30:23,824 Speaker 2: just hell on earth. It's usually people are fighting, people 751 00:30:23,824 --> 00:30:25,984 Speaker 2: are drunk, people are pushing because there's so many men 752 00:30:25,984 --> 00:30:27,264 Speaker 2: in the mix. Often all if you're going into a 753 00:30:27,264 --> 00:30:29,664 Speaker 2: lot of shows and trying to get on those trains, 754 00:30:29,704 --> 00:30:31,664 Speaker 2: the line for them is so aggressive and people are 755 00:30:31,664 --> 00:30:34,424 Speaker 2: fighting and leaving the Tailor's Self concert again, I feel 756 00:30:34,424 --> 00:30:36,824 Speaker 2: like we just floated out of there. Everyone in a 757 00:30:36,904 --> 00:30:39,064 Speaker 2: high everyone walked because it was all just women and 758 00:30:39,104 --> 00:30:40,744 Speaker 2: like young girls and like a few dads who were 759 00:30:40,784 --> 00:30:43,664 Speaker 2: there with like their chaperone looking up to their kids. 760 00:30:43,664 --> 00:30:45,304 Speaker 3: The city had a lot of time to plan for 761 00:30:45,344 --> 00:30:48,824 Speaker 3: this CityRail was like, we can't we mess up a lot, 762 00:30:48,904 --> 00:30:51,424 Speaker 3: but this is the one who can't mess up. But 763 00:30:51,464 --> 00:30:53,664 Speaker 3: I also like the atmosphere they created. I know one 764 00:30:53,664 --> 00:30:56,904 Speaker 3: of our video producers, Josh, who's like a drummer was 765 00:30:56,904 --> 00:31:00,064 Speaker 3: like playing a little gig outside the venue because they 766 00:31:00,104 --> 00:31:03,344 Speaker 3: had like little concert venue and there's like food trucks 767 00:31:03,344 --> 00:31:03,744 Speaker 3: and stuff. 768 00:31:03,824 --> 00:31:06,424 Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah, there was like food trucks and stores 769 00:31:06,424 --> 00:31:08,024 Speaker 2: and stuff out there. And then I just remember like 770 00:31:08,104 --> 00:31:10,504 Speaker 2: getting off the train in like the middle of in 771 00:31:10,544 --> 00:31:12,824 Speaker 2: me at like twelve thirty at night or something like that, 772 00:31:13,064 --> 00:31:15,424 Speaker 2: and walking home and normally I would be quite nervous 773 00:31:15,464 --> 00:31:17,584 Speaker 2: to do that, and you know, I would be like 774 00:31:17,584 --> 00:31:19,944 Speaker 2: looking over my shoulder, but it's like you walked out 775 00:31:19,944 --> 00:31:22,344 Speaker 2: with a sea of women, and it's like, all of 776 00:31:22,384 --> 00:31:24,064 Speaker 2: a sudden, there was this huge kind of safety in 777 00:31:24,144 --> 00:31:25,624 Speaker 2: numbers and not just to see if women, a sea 778 00:31:25,664 --> 00:31:27,944 Speaker 2: of women who had all experienced something together and like 779 00:31:28,104 --> 00:31:29,944 Speaker 2: who were like everyone was like chatting like I was 780 00:31:29,944 --> 00:31:31,664 Speaker 2: shooting people I'd never met before then. 781 00:31:33,224 --> 00:31:36,384 Speaker 1: Oh my god, and. 782 00:31:36,304 --> 00:31:37,864 Speaker 2: They were just like, hey, you guys, a great night. 783 00:31:38,424 --> 00:31:40,304 Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, imagine if the world was 784 00:31:40,344 --> 00:31:42,464 Speaker 2: just like leaving a tailors of concert all the time. 785 00:31:42,544 --> 00:31:44,304 Speaker 2: We were just all safe all the time. 786 00:31:44,424 --> 00:31:47,624 Speaker 1: It's so nice, honestly, even just the friendship stuff, like 787 00:31:47,784 --> 00:31:50,744 Speaker 1: I had seen the movie You when I was gonna pee. 788 00:31:50,784 --> 00:31:56,184 Speaker 1: That's the big thing on the air on this podcast. Yeah, controversial, 789 00:31:56,184 --> 00:31:58,424 Speaker 1: but I went and speak now because I was like, oh, 790 00:31:58,464 --> 00:32:01,704 Speaker 1: I love you Enchanted, You're great. However I've seen you. 791 00:32:02,024 --> 00:32:04,104 Speaker 1: I need to see something else. I chose that moment. 792 00:32:04,104 --> 00:32:06,064 Speaker 1: It's also so long. I had the time to go 793 00:32:06,104 --> 00:32:08,464 Speaker 1: to the bathroom sing with every girl who was in 794 00:32:08,504 --> 00:32:10,624 Speaker 1: that bathroom, like because you could hear as every go 795 00:32:10,704 --> 00:32:12,864 Speaker 1: on the bathroots like singing, We're all like you chose 796 00:32:12,904 --> 00:32:15,824 Speaker 1: to go around me too? Like is sister one of 797 00:32:15,464 --> 00:32:18,664 Speaker 1: the paying during Enchanted? Like it was honestly, that whole 798 00:32:18,664 --> 00:32:20,784 Speaker 1: concert was just like this beautiful fever train. 799 00:32:21,064 --> 00:32:23,984 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love that. Yeah, what a lovely time. 800 00:32:24,224 --> 00:32:26,104 Speaker 2: That's the thing is like it's like the music is 801 00:32:26,184 --> 00:32:29,264 Speaker 2: very popular, but you would need that sort of experience 802 00:32:29,264 --> 00:32:30,664 Speaker 2: almost like show me people like I know who do 803 00:32:30,704 --> 00:32:32,904 Speaker 2: don't even like tell stiff. And this is controversial saying 804 00:32:32,944 --> 00:32:34,904 Speaker 2: I know people are gonna slam their phones down. We're 805 00:32:34,904 --> 00:32:37,824 Speaker 2: getting tickets because they just wanted to experience. Yeah, this 806 00:32:37,984 --> 00:32:40,904 Speaker 2: idea of what people were getting all wrapped up in Yeah, and. 807 00:32:40,864 --> 00:32:42,984 Speaker 1: I won't lie. The little small part of me who 808 00:32:42,984 --> 00:32:45,824 Speaker 1: never once made it through the ticket master Q was 809 00:32:45,824 --> 00:32:47,624 Speaker 1: was very sad, but I was more like, you know what, 810 00:32:47,824 --> 00:32:50,144 Speaker 1: this is great because I think fandoms all over the world, 811 00:32:50,224 --> 00:32:52,264 Speaker 1: like all fandoms can be kind of toxic online and 812 00:32:52,304 --> 00:32:54,264 Speaker 1: you forget that there's like a really beautiful, nice side 813 00:32:54,264 --> 00:32:55,984 Speaker 1: to fandoms. Like the point is you're all there to 814 00:32:55,984 --> 00:32:58,464 Speaker 1: have fun and you're all there to like this person's music. Yeah, 815 00:32:58,504 --> 00:33:00,104 Speaker 1: And I think the thing I've seen on TikTok so 816 00:33:00,184 --> 00:33:02,104 Speaker 1: much through the Air's tour is that like it's brought 817 00:33:02,144 --> 00:33:04,624 Speaker 1: all these new people into the swifty world. Like there's 818 00:33:04,624 --> 00:33:07,024 Speaker 1: a couple I follow on TikTok who just like react 819 00:33:07,024 --> 00:33:09,064 Speaker 1: to all her performances and they got tickets to the 820 00:33:09,144 --> 00:33:12,064 Speaker 1: Vancouver show. They were swifties like five months ago, but 821 00:33:12,104 --> 00:33:14,024 Speaker 1: now they're like the biggest swifties in the world. And 822 00:33:14,064 --> 00:33:16,264 Speaker 1: I think that's the nice thing about it, Like it's 823 00:33:16,424 --> 00:33:18,384 Speaker 1: bringing all of these new people in and they're having. 824 00:33:18,184 --> 00:33:20,944 Speaker 3: Fun TikTok and stuff. It's just you can't avoid it. 825 00:33:21,064 --> 00:33:21,584 Speaker 1: Yeah. 826 00:33:21,664 --> 00:33:25,864 Speaker 3: So the tour wrapped up earlier this week, So what 827 00:33:25,944 --> 00:33:27,984 Speaker 3: happens next? Like will we Is she just going to 828 00:33:27,984 --> 00:33:29,104 Speaker 3: disappear from our lives forever? 829 00:33:29,584 --> 00:33:31,184 Speaker 1: That's so mean? Why would you say that to me? 830 00:33:31,664 --> 00:33:33,504 Speaker 3: I would if I was, I'd be like, I'm done. 831 00:33:33,504 --> 00:33:35,264 Speaker 1: Well, she's definitely gonna take a long break. Yeah, I 832 00:33:35,264 --> 00:33:38,384 Speaker 1: think so. Well, I well, she's got football, she's got 833 00:33:38,424 --> 00:33:40,904 Speaker 1: football games to it's got football to attend. No, I 834 00:33:40,904 --> 00:33:42,464 Speaker 1: would have thought she was going to take a pretty 835 00:33:42,464 --> 00:33:44,704 Speaker 1: big break. I would have thought that, like, Okay, Eras 836 00:33:44,744 --> 00:33:48,624 Speaker 1: Tour's done, let's have the moment to ourselves. However, there 837 00:33:48,624 --> 00:33:50,904 Speaker 1: were obviously cameras there, which means there's going to be 838 00:33:50,904 --> 00:33:53,544 Speaker 1: a tour documentary possibly or at the very least a 839 00:33:53,584 --> 00:33:55,784 Speaker 1: new version of the Era's Tour film will come out. 840 00:33:56,264 --> 00:34:00,064 Speaker 1: She hasn't released reputation Taylor's version or debut Taylor's version, 841 00:34:00,344 --> 00:34:02,224 Speaker 1: both of which we all thought would happen during the tour. 842 00:34:02,304 --> 00:34:03,824 Speaker 2: So the fact that do you think she didn't she 843 00:34:03,904 --> 00:34:05,824 Speaker 2: just thought what she wanted that night to be about 844 00:34:05,824 --> 00:34:08,544 Speaker 2: the end of the tour and not maybe overshadowed by 845 00:34:08,544 --> 00:34:09,904 Speaker 2: headlines of this new announcement. 846 00:34:10,064 --> 00:34:10,824 Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of. 847 00:34:10,944 --> 00:34:13,544 Speaker 3: Maybe she's tired of writing songs instead of releasing new album, 848 00:34:13,624 --> 00:34:15,384 Speaker 3: She's like, I'll just keep these in the bank to 849 00:34:15,464 --> 00:34:16,984 Speaker 3: release me. 850 00:34:17,104 --> 00:34:20,184 Speaker 1: I do think she probably didn't intend to expect to 851 00:34:20,464 --> 00:34:23,064 Speaker 1: get her heart broken multiple times and then write the 852 00:34:23,064 --> 00:34:25,544 Speaker 1: Tortured Poets and release that in midway through the tour. 853 00:34:25,664 --> 00:34:27,584 Speaker 1: So I do wonder, based on the release of Like 854 00:34:27,624 --> 00:34:30,064 Speaker 1: Speak Now in nineteen eighty nine, if she had planned 855 00:34:30,064 --> 00:34:33,384 Speaker 1: to do reputation and debut and then instead went, well, 856 00:34:33,424 --> 00:34:35,904 Speaker 1: I've got a new album, dropped my new album, and 857 00:34:35,944 --> 00:34:38,584 Speaker 1: then she's just now gonna save repin debut for the moment. 858 00:34:38,624 --> 00:34:40,744 Speaker 1: That feels right. But so it felt like we would 859 00:34:40,784 --> 00:34:43,664 Speaker 1: be done, but we're not done. So that's a weird 860 00:34:43,704 --> 00:34:46,024 Speaker 1: and stressful place for a swiftie because it means I 861 00:34:46,064 --> 00:34:48,384 Speaker 1: have a lot of clues to find. 862 00:34:48,584 --> 00:34:50,544 Speaker 3: Oh no, you have a lot of work ahead of you. 863 00:34:50,704 --> 00:34:53,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all I'll be doing for the future. 864 00:34:54,584 --> 00:34:56,184 Speaker 2: Me, it's not like I would have said, like again, 865 00:34:56,424 --> 00:34:58,344 Speaker 2: I listen to her music, but I was never like 866 00:34:58,424 --> 00:35:00,224 Speaker 2: the biggest like tailor stiff. I was never following her 867 00:35:00,304 --> 00:35:02,544 Speaker 2: every move. And it only just hit me as end 868 00:35:02,584 --> 00:35:03,984 Speaker 2: this week, not as much as it hit you. I 869 00:35:03,984 --> 00:35:05,664 Speaker 2: felt you were gonna call me and take a personal 870 00:35:06,264 --> 00:35:07,384 Speaker 2: which I would have approved. 871 00:35:07,424 --> 00:35:09,184 Speaker 3: By the way, I didn't even go and to hit me. 872 00:35:09,344 --> 00:35:12,264 Speaker 3: I'm so sorry we had something. I don't know what 873 00:35:12,624 --> 00:35:12,784 Speaker 3: to do. 874 00:35:12,864 --> 00:35:14,744 Speaker 2: I don't know what the news cycle and like my 875 00:35:14,904 --> 00:35:17,544 Speaker 2: TikTok fees and stuff do without what do we talk about? 876 00:35:17,544 --> 00:35:19,144 Speaker 2: What do we talk about now? Because we've been talking 877 00:35:19,184 --> 00:35:21,504 Speaker 2: about this for nearly two years. The other thing, though, 878 00:35:21,504 --> 00:35:24,064 Speaker 2: I think why it's been so cultural significant and why 879 00:35:24,144 --> 00:35:25,824 Speaker 2: I think people have like left with such a good 880 00:35:25,824 --> 00:35:27,784 Speaker 2: taste is like, yeah, she's made all this money, and 881 00:35:27,824 --> 00:35:29,864 Speaker 2: traditionally at this point in time, everyone would kind of 882 00:35:29,864 --> 00:35:32,784 Speaker 2: be maybe hating on billionaires and the rich and all 883 00:35:32,784 --> 00:35:34,144 Speaker 2: that sort of stuff, And I feel like there's that 884 00:35:34,224 --> 00:35:36,504 Speaker 2: sentiment with Taylor Swift. But at the same time, she 885 00:35:36,544 --> 00:35:38,504 Speaker 2: did such a good job of making it look like 886 00:35:38,544 --> 00:35:41,224 Speaker 2: it wasn't just about her and not just thanking the fans, 887 00:35:41,224 --> 00:35:43,704 Speaker 2: but also like she'd always say like, we are so 888 00:35:43,744 --> 00:35:45,344 Speaker 2: happy to have you here on the aras too. It 889 00:35:45,424 --> 00:35:47,064 Speaker 2: like it's from me and my dances, and you knew 890 00:35:47,104 --> 00:35:49,744 Speaker 2: all her dancers' names and their backstories, and they all 891 00:35:49,784 --> 00:35:51,904 Speaker 2: took a special bout at the end, and then at 892 00:35:51,904 --> 00:35:54,344 Speaker 2: the end the credits role with all of her dances 893 00:35:54,384 --> 00:35:58,464 Speaker 2: as part of it, and the musicians on stage her guitar, yeah, yeah, 894 00:35:58,504 --> 00:35:59,144 Speaker 2: the same people. 895 00:35:59,184 --> 00:35:59,584 Speaker 1: Yeah. 896 00:35:59,584 --> 00:36:02,024 Speaker 2: And she's always big of saying like, well, we're planning 897 00:36:02,104 --> 00:36:04,024 Speaker 2: this and we're planning that, like she never says I, 898 00:36:04,424 --> 00:36:06,064 Speaker 2: and like that would be the time to say I 899 00:36:06,144 --> 00:36:09,264 Speaker 2: when you're headlining the biggest music too in the world. 900 00:36:09,864 --> 00:36:12,744 Speaker 2: But it's all ways we which I think is good PR. 901 00:36:12,824 --> 00:36:14,184 Speaker 2: But also maybe just how she thinks. 902 00:36:14,344 --> 00:36:16,024 Speaker 1: I think it is how she thinks. I think she looks. 903 00:36:16,024 --> 00:36:20,224 Speaker 1: She's gone through talking about Tree, Paine Tree. 904 00:36:20,264 --> 00:36:22,984 Speaker 2: Pain of it all is that woman has been working 905 00:36:23,064 --> 00:36:25,504 Speaker 2: around the clock because you know, there's been a lot 906 00:36:25,504 --> 00:36:27,824 Speaker 2: of controversies that have popped up. That's tell us, this 907 00:36:27,984 --> 00:36:30,504 Speaker 2: long time publicist for anyone who doesn't know she of 908 00:36:30,544 --> 00:36:32,864 Speaker 2: the Red Hair, that Amy Adams is going to play 909 00:36:32,904 --> 00:36:33,984 Speaker 2: in a movie her. 910 00:36:33,984 --> 00:36:36,984 Speaker 3: Entire career over being the PR person for one person. 911 00:36:37,544 --> 00:36:40,024 Speaker 2: But what a person. She's got a lot, She's got 912 00:36:40,024 --> 00:36:42,664 Speaker 2: a lot going on. That woman misses nothing. I don't 913 00:36:42,664 --> 00:36:44,944 Speaker 2: want pain as an icon for the biography. I don't 914 00:36:44,984 --> 00:36:46,224 Speaker 2: want how to come for me. But we did get 915 00:36:46,224 --> 00:36:47,224 Speaker 2: an email Froudre. 916 00:36:48,024 --> 00:36:51,264 Speaker 3: And we framed it and we all looked at it. 917 00:36:51,344 --> 00:36:53,224 Speaker 2: We ran a little story. I won't say what it's about. 918 00:36:53,304 --> 00:36:55,064 Speaker 2: We ran a little story with some facts in it, 919 00:36:55,144 --> 00:36:59,224 Speaker 2: and she emailed us and said, hey, this is not confirmed, 920 00:36:59,304 --> 00:37:01,504 Speaker 2: and we said that's fine, we'll change it. 921 00:37:01,584 --> 00:37:03,184 Speaker 3: And we were so excited for that email that we 922 00:37:03,184 --> 00:37:04,104 Speaker 3: were like, should we do it again? 923 00:37:05,424 --> 00:37:07,664 Speaker 1: I would like to go on record and say that 924 00:37:07,784 --> 00:37:11,224 Speaker 1: wasn't me because I love your tree pain, please love 925 00:37:11,264 --> 00:37:13,104 Speaker 1: me back. No, we just don't. 926 00:37:13,104 --> 00:37:15,904 Speaker 2: We were fangirling over her and she was really nice. 927 00:37:16,824 --> 00:37:18,624 Speaker 2: We hadn't say anything bad. She was like, this is 928 00:37:18,664 --> 00:37:20,424 Speaker 2: the like the right infro to have out there. So 929 00:37:20,464 --> 00:37:22,984 Speaker 2: we're like absolutely, and then we wanted to keep talking 930 00:37:22,984 --> 00:37:23,464 Speaker 2: and she was like. 931 00:37:23,744 --> 00:37:28,064 Speaker 3: God, do you want to come for a little interview. 932 00:37:28,184 --> 00:37:30,104 Speaker 2: Yeah, just got her finger on the pulse that trope. Yeah, 933 00:37:30,184 --> 00:37:31,144 Speaker 2: she misses nothing. 934 00:37:31,264 --> 00:37:31,464 Speaker 1: Yeah. 935 00:37:31,624 --> 00:37:34,424 Speaker 2: I don't think that woman sleeps. She's always backstage. She's 936 00:37:34,464 --> 00:37:37,104 Speaker 2: really like the big kind of mastermind of a lot 937 00:37:37,144 --> 00:37:38,784 Speaker 2: of what Taylors. That's the thing is, like, I think 938 00:37:38,824 --> 00:37:41,184 Speaker 2: tayls is very smart, and I think she does run 939 00:37:41,224 --> 00:37:42,624 Speaker 2: her own ship a lot of the time. But she's 940 00:37:42,624 --> 00:37:43,944 Speaker 2: also got good people around her. 941 00:37:44,144 --> 00:37:46,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think like a lot of people have 942 00:37:46,184 --> 00:37:48,304 Speaker 1: hated Taylor over the course of her career. So whether 943 00:37:48,344 --> 00:37:50,544 Speaker 1: it was just because they hated her because she was 944 00:37:50,584 --> 00:37:53,264 Speaker 1: blonde and quote unquote sweet, and people were mad because 945 00:37:53,264 --> 00:37:56,504 Speaker 1: they were like this annoying girl gets a personality the girl, 946 00:37:57,744 --> 00:37:59,144 Speaker 1: and then it kind of was the Kangne and it 947 00:37:59,184 --> 00:38:01,024 Speaker 1: was more than that, and it was like, you know, 948 00:38:01,304 --> 00:38:05,744 Speaker 1: she an person a moment in time that man Calvin 949 00:38:05,744 --> 00:38:08,264 Speaker 1: Harris's wife secretly listens to Taylor Swift like she's gone 950 00:38:08,264 --> 00:38:11,464 Speaker 1: on record and said that what she does. But she's 951 00:38:11,464 --> 00:38:13,024 Speaker 1: been through a lot with people hating her and like 952 00:38:13,224 --> 00:38:14,984 Speaker 1: how the public feels about her, and so the Air's 953 00:38:14,984 --> 00:38:17,584 Speaker 1: tool was like really just the culmination of all of 954 00:38:17,584 --> 00:38:19,384 Speaker 1: these things that have happened and how she kind of 955 00:38:19,744 --> 00:38:22,584 Speaker 1: reinvented her fame through COVID and through the last five 956 00:38:22,704 --> 00:38:25,144 Speaker 1: years of releasing music, and so it was this really 957 00:38:25,144 --> 00:38:26,984 Speaker 1: big moment. And I think that's why she feels like 958 00:38:26,984 --> 00:38:29,304 Speaker 1: it's a wee thing. She's got her dancers who support her, 959 00:38:29,344 --> 00:38:32,464 Speaker 1: She's got Tree Bane, the best pr girl could get. 960 00:38:32,824 --> 00:38:34,824 Speaker 1: She's got her family and they all love her, and like, 961 00:38:34,864 --> 00:38:38,184 Speaker 1: even if she's had a really ridiculous time romantically during 962 00:38:38,184 --> 00:38:39,944 Speaker 1: the tour, I think she feels, yeah, like this is 963 00:38:40,024 --> 00:38:42,744 Speaker 1: their moment all shared together to like have a good 964 00:38:42,744 --> 00:38:46,624 Speaker 1: time after some pretty bad times. Yeah, well what a time. 965 00:38:46,904 --> 00:38:51,944 Speaker 1: The Eras Tour end of an Eras end of an 966 00:38:51,984 --> 00:38:55,384 Speaker 1: era when she sang in her final mashup like it 967 00:38:55,464 --> 00:38:57,264 Speaker 1: was the end of an era instead of end of 968 00:38:57,264 --> 00:38:59,424 Speaker 1: a decade. In Long Live I saw Where to God? 969 00:38:59,424 --> 00:39:02,104 Speaker 1: He nearly cried, did she? She changed the lyric and 970 00:39:02,144 --> 00:39:04,984 Speaker 1: it was just so sweet and it was so nice 971 00:39:05,104 --> 00:39:08,504 Speaker 1: but also so sad. Well, just three girls that love 972 00:39:08,584 --> 00:39:10,744 Speaker 1: Taylor Sweer. I hope I see her one day. Yeah, 973 00:39:11,104 --> 00:39:14,664 Speaker 1: I met her once. I want a competition to meet 974 00:39:14,704 --> 00:39:17,024 Speaker 1: her backstage at my Speak Now. And it was the 975 00:39:17,024 --> 00:39:17,904 Speaker 1: best day. 976 00:39:18,704 --> 00:39:19,504 Speaker 2: You held that till now. 977 00:39:19,824 --> 00:39:20,544 Speaker 1: I thought we all knew. 978 00:39:20,544 --> 00:39:21,984 Speaker 3: I was talked about it all the time to speak Now, 979 00:39:22,024 --> 00:39:23,984 Speaker 3: and yet that's the album you decided. 980 00:39:23,704 --> 00:39:24,024 Speaker 1: To go to. 981 00:39:24,024 --> 00:39:24,144 Speaker 2: This. 982 00:39:24,584 --> 00:39:27,944 Speaker 1: Well was like I've seen this one. I lived this one. 983 00:39:28,024 --> 00:39:30,344 Speaker 1: I lived this I was in the stage. But yeah, 984 00:39:30,344 --> 00:39:31,464 Speaker 1: I met her and it was the best day of 985 00:39:31,504 --> 00:39:33,504 Speaker 1: my life. I said hi to Taylor. She was wearing 986 00:39:33,584 --> 00:39:35,144 Speaker 1: high heel so she was taller than me, which was 987 00:39:35,184 --> 00:39:38,264 Speaker 1: really cool. I was wearing a sparkly dress and Andrea, 988 00:39:38,464 --> 00:39:40,664 Speaker 1: Taylor's mum, complimented the dress as I walked down the 989 00:39:40,664 --> 00:39:44,344 Speaker 1: whole way. I was really no, I was a you, 990 00:39:44,504 --> 00:39:48,544 Speaker 1: Oh my god, put that in a museum. No, I 991 00:39:48,584 --> 00:39:49,984 Speaker 1: literally just said hi, and I was like, oh my god, 992 00:39:49,984 --> 00:39:51,824 Speaker 1: I love you so much and like was a real loser. 993 00:39:52,104 --> 00:39:53,024 Speaker 1: Oh that's beautiful. 994 00:39:53,224 --> 00:39:55,864 Speaker 2: That was beautiful to love that well, Tina Burke, massive 995 00:39:55,904 --> 00:39:57,624 Speaker 2: swifty fan that you are. Thank you so much for 996 00:39:57,664 --> 00:39:59,744 Speaker 2: coming on explaining the law to us Smiths. 997 00:39:59,784 --> 00:40:01,664 Speaker 1: Poor girl here who never got a ticket to see 998 00:40:02,544 --> 00:40:03,904 Speaker 1: felt like you need a ticket. 999 00:40:04,344 --> 00:40:06,144 Speaker 2: Tina has written a big wrap up of everything that 1000 00:40:06,224 --> 00:40:08,784 Speaker 2: happened on the Errors tour, so we'll it's so doy God, 1001 00:40:08,824 --> 00:40:10,224 Speaker 2: would you believe theres so much we didn't even get 1002 00:40:10,224 --> 00:40:12,584 Speaker 2: to again. There's just you could do a six part 1003 00:40:12,624 --> 00:40:13,784 Speaker 2: series on this podcast. 1004 00:40:14,104 --> 00:40:16,304 Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 1005 00:40:16,344 --> 00:40:17,824 Speaker 3: If you love listening to us, I want to give 1006 00:40:17,904 --> 00:40:19,904 Speaker 3: us a follow. 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