WEBVTT - Which Season Are You? The Colour Rules That Changed Our Wardrobes 0:00:10.327 --> 0:00:13.047 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:13.727 --> 0:00:16.767 Mama mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:16.807 --> 0:00:18.367 that this podcast is recorded on. 0:00:18.727 --> 0:00:21.527 I've always wanted to try the color analysis thing, and 0:00:21.567 --> 0:00:23.687 I'm so glad there's finally a filter for it. 0:00:24.247 --> 0:00:26.087 But I need your help now. I have no idea 0:00:26.207 --> 0:00:28.247 what season I am? What do you think? 0:00:32.287 --> 0:00:36.047 Hello, and welcome to Mama Mia out Loud. I'm Holly Wainwright, 0:00:36.207 --> 0:00:39.087 I'm Mea Friedman, and I'm Jesse Stevens, and today we 0:00:39.167 --> 0:00:41.607 have a very special episode for you. You may have 0:00:41.687 --> 0:00:45.007 heard us obsessing lately about a certain something, and that 0:00:45.127 --> 0:00:47.887 is our colors. Our colors, the colors we should wear, 0:00:47.967 --> 0:00:51.087 The science of colors. I think you started it, Jesse Stevens. 0:00:51.287 --> 0:00:53.807 I saw it on TikTok, and then I became like 0:00:54.327 --> 0:00:56.407 one of those Internet experts who thinks that they can 0:00:56.447 --> 0:00:59.407 google something and go deep into a hole and nail it, 0:00:59.447 --> 0:01:01.607 even though I have no background. In fact, very dout 0:01:01.647 --> 0:01:02.207 with colors. 0:01:02.047 --> 0:01:04.487 Turned out you got quite close, quite close. 0:01:04.247 --> 0:01:07.767 Because I studied really hard, but we actually thought, why 0:01:07.767 --> 0:01:09.727 don't we do something we never do, which is. 0:01:09.887 --> 0:01:12.767 Get an expert. So if you're going, what are you 0:01:12.807 --> 0:01:15.087 talking about with your colors. What colors you should wear 0:01:15.167 --> 0:01:18.967 is dictated by what season you are, and color experts 0:01:19.327 --> 0:01:22.807 like the wonderful Kim Crowley who joins us today, can 0:01:22.887 --> 0:01:25.287 read you and they can tell you exactly what season 0:01:25.287 --> 0:01:26.767 you are and then give you a whole range of 0:01:26.767 --> 0:01:29.967 colors you can wear. Kim, welcome, Thank you. 0:01:30.087 --> 0:01:31.687 How did you become a color expert? 0:01:31.767 --> 0:01:31.967 Him? 0:01:32.167 --> 0:01:34.567 I'm a former fashion designer, so I had to know color. 0:01:34.607 --> 0:01:36.607 But I thought I knew everything there was to know 0:01:36.607 --> 0:01:39.247 about color because I was putting collections in store, particularly 0:01:39.247 --> 0:01:41.767 in England, and then I had to learn this went 0:01:41.847 --> 0:01:44.967 up skilled to become a personal stylist, and I thought, oh, 0:01:45.007 --> 0:01:46.567 I'm just going to skip over. It's a bit boring, 0:01:46.607 --> 0:01:47.967 isn't it a bit obsolete? Bit dated? 0:01:48.087 --> 0:01:49.327 Yeah, because it was big in the what. 0:01:51.207 --> 0:01:53.487 You had your colours die and I was kind of 0:01:53.527 --> 0:01:56.327 like of the era of Toppleway parties exactly. 0:01:55.967 --> 0:01:58.047 And I didn't want to be associated. I'm just going 0:01:58.127 --> 0:01:59.487 to skim over it. In fact, I'm going to pull 0:01:59.487 --> 0:02:02.047 it apart to disprove it because it's no longer applicable. 0:02:02.367 --> 0:02:04.567 Otherwise it would have trickled down to our generation. And 0:02:04.567 --> 0:02:06.807 then I started pulling it apart, and I was like, 0:02:06.927 --> 0:02:09.127 oh god, damnit, I love it. Totally fell in love 0:02:09.127 --> 0:02:11.327 with science of color, and then I've used it every 0:02:11.367 --> 0:02:11.847 day since. 0:02:12.167 --> 0:02:14.967 And you've got a business called style since that's what 0:02:15.007 --> 0:02:15.327 you do. 0:02:15.527 --> 0:02:17.647 Absolutely, it's part of what I do. So it's often 0:02:17.687 --> 0:02:19.887 the beginning of what I do. Because once you understand 0:02:19.927 --> 0:02:22.327 your colors and the types of colors that suit you, 0:02:22.327 --> 0:02:24.927 because it's about types of color. It's not about saying, oh, 0:02:24.927 --> 0:02:27.367 holly blue suits you, it's the type of blue you need, 0:02:27.407 --> 0:02:30.567 a more aquerry blue. Then we can actually then build 0:02:30.607 --> 0:02:33.687 your color capsure around your palette and forget all that 0:02:33.727 --> 0:02:35.647 other stuff that just doesn't belong to you. 0:02:35.967 --> 0:02:39.487 So everybody, regardless of skin tone, and there are many, many, 0:02:39.487 --> 0:02:42.647 many skin tones of course, regardless of skin tone, you 0:02:42.727 --> 0:02:46.127 can generally fit someone on the wheel of the season. 0:02:46.327 --> 0:02:49.687 Absolutely, it's a seasonal wheel. Absolutely every single person sits 0:02:49.687 --> 0:02:51.887 on there and the whole wide world, men, women, everybody. 0:02:52.367 --> 0:02:55.047 And then there's spokes across the wheel because that's what 0:02:55.087 --> 0:02:56.007 makes it complicated. 0:02:56.207 --> 0:03:00.567 Oh yeah, fun like star science. So when we got 0:03:00.607 --> 0:03:03.927 involved in this in the first place, Jesse diagnosed herself 0:03:03.927 --> 0:03:05.447 and myself as being springs. 0:03:05.487 --> 0:03:07.087 I thought we were the same. And this is why, 0:03:07.127 --> 0:03:10.127 because this is my top line understanding with something about 0:03:10.447 --> 0:03:13.647 light hair, light eyes, fair skin ish. And then I 0:03:13.687 --> 0:03:17.047 thought that Maya was an autumn because she has dark eyes, 0:03:17.287 --> 0:03:21.407 dark hair, and olive skin. There's more to it than that, 0:03:21.487 --> 0:03:24.167 isn't there is? And that's when it gets complicated for me. 0:03:24.287 --> 0:03:26.487 For example, you're a little bit easier to diagnose because 0:03:26.487 --> 0:03:29.327 you're all your three features are warm, so you've got 0:03:29.367 --> 0:03:31.967 warm hair, warm skin, warm eye, same as me, so 0:03:32.007 --> 0:03:33.207 we're warm, warm, warm, so we're. 0:03:33.447 --> 0:03:34.407 Quite down to earth. 0:03:34.567 --> 0:03:40.887 So my colors are quite which I always suspected but 0:03:41.007 --> 0:03:43.367 didn't want to face because I was like, oh, it's 0:03:43.407 --> 0:03:48.567 just like burnt orange and brown beautiful exactly exactly. 0:03:48.647 --> 0:03:49.127 That's the thing. 0:03:49.167 --> 0:03:51.127 We all have kind of preconceived ideas of what that 0:03:51.247 --> 0:03:52.247 season might look like. 0:03:52.567 --> 0:03:54.767 But because colour has had. 0:03:54.567 --> 0:03:57.327 To modernize because the way we wear color now is different, 0:03:57.807 --> 0:03:59.567 the way colour is put into store. So when I 0:03:59.647 --> 0:04:01.567 used to design, it was very much gray based color. 0:04:01.847 --> 0:04:03.527 And most of my clients, when I ask them the 0:04:03.527 --> 0:04:06.207 four main colors that they wear before I meet them, 0:04:06.447 --> 0:04:09.007 they will say black, white, gray, and a bit blue. 0:04:09.287 --> 0:04:11.887 So that's a really easy palette that we've been wearing 0:04:11.887 --> 0:04:14.647 for years, decades, our parents, our grandparents, We see it 0:04:14.647 --> 0:04:15.647 in interiors. 0:04:15.287 --> 0:04:16.967 Right, So you feel like you can't go wrong with 0:04:16.967 --> 0:04:19.687 those colors because they're like non colors exactly. 0:04:19.927 --> 0:04:22.487 But you can go wrong, and you do because none. 0:04:22.367 --> 0:04:26.207 Of those of yours, none of those are a lot. 0:04:26.127 --> 0:04:29.247 Of people exactly exactly. So it's so interesting how we 0:04:29.327 --> 0:04:32.567 don't really think about color. We just buy into a 0:04:32.607 --> 0:04:33.887 palette and we think it's the right thing to do 0:04:33.927 --> 0:04:36.527 because there's loads of black, white, gray, and blue in 0:04:36.647 --> 0:04:40.247 stare like they're neutrals exactly, and they'll go with everything exactly, 0:04:40.287 --> 0:04:42.687 so we'd never really question is this right for me? 0:04:42.887 --> 0:04:45.207 Is this blue right for me? And actually, once we 0:04:45.247 --> 0:04:49.327 start looking at it, it's a whole other fascinating side 0:04:49.367 --> 0:04:52.167 of color because the more you chop into your palette, 0:04:52.287 --> 0:04:54.207 the more your wardrobe is going to work together. 0:04:54.967 --> 0:04:57.847 What about when the universe isn't in agreement with you? 0:04:58.007 --> 0:05:00.087 So you know how, we'll all be told, this is 0:05:00.127 --> 0:05:02.727 the blue everyone's wearing this winter, this is the pink 0:05:02.767 --> 0:05:05.647 everyone's wearing right now, and it's not in your season. 0:05:05.807 --> 0:05:06.887 Leave it, so you just. 0:05:06.847 --> 0:05:10.447 Keep fashionable this season it will be fashionable and I'm 0:05:10.487 --> 0:05:11.727 ever fashionable anyway. 0:05:11.927 --> 0:05:14.847 The best thing about getting my colors done when Kim 0:05:14.847 --> 0:05:18.167 did them and knowing what they are, definitively the way 0:05:18.207 --> 0:05:21.207 I described it is it turns down the noise in 0:05:21.327 --> 0:05:26.087 getting dressed, in making outfits, and in shopping because it 0:05:26.127 --> 0:05:29.687 doesn't mean if there's a color that's not right on you, 0:05:29.767 --> 0:05:31.487 it doesn't mean you have to throw it away or 0:05:31.527 --> 0:05:34.047 you can't wear it. But it explains a lot of 0:05:34.047 --> 0:05:36.847 things in my wardrobe that I don't wear. And I'll 0:05:36.847 --> 0:05:39.567 often go, I don't wear it because it's the wrong style, 0:05:39.687 --> 0:05:41.967 or it's not in fashion, or it's whatever, or I 0:05:42.087 --> 0:05:44.407 just don't vibe with it. But the reason I don't 0:05:44.487 --> 0:05:46.127 vibe with it is that when I put it on, 0:05:47.087 --> 0:05:49.607 it makes my face. Look what if you're wearing the 0:05:49.647 --> 0:05:53.047 wrong color for your season, what does it do to you? 0:05:53.207 --> 0:05:54.087 Just makes you look. 0:05:54.167 --> 0:05:56.967 Can look tired, can look ill For a lot of 0:05:56.967 --> 0:06:00.127 people if they're really cold, like Leely Campbell, if we 0:06:00.127 --> 0:06:01.927 put a yellow based color on here, she's going to 0:06:02.007 --> 0:06:04.167 look really yellow and ill. Right for you, if we 0:06:04.167 --> 0:06:06.087 put gray based color on you, you're going to look 0:06:06.087 --> 0:06:06.447 really ill. 0:06:06.567 --> 0:06:08.247 And you said to me, because I said, I love 0:06:08.287 --> 0:06:10.647 this kind of blue eg very color. And you just 0:06:10.687 --> 0:06:14.527 said to me, sometimes we love a color that doesn't 0:06:14.567 --> 0:06:18.567 love us all the time. 0:06:18.687 --> 0:06:21.207 Everyone knows experience of going to work, going somewhere and 0:06:21.207 --> 0:06:24.687 someone's like, the color looks nice, and you can't explain 0:06:24.767 --> 0:06:27.167 what it is like. Are we're looking for things that 0:06:27.367 --> 0:06:32.087 compliment our skin tone or something that brings it out? Explain? 0:06:32.967 --> 0:06:35.567 We want to remain balanced, That's what we want to do, right. 0:06:35.607 --> 0:06:36.927 We want to look in hard, so we want to 0:06:36.967 --> 0:06:38.807 look like we're a bit rosier cheeked. We want to 0:06:38.847 --> 0:06:42.247 look like we've got to moisturizer exactly because when we 0:06:42.247 --> 0:06:43.967 were in a color that's not right for us. 0:06:44.247 --> 0:06:45.647 You know, when we feel a bit oh. 0:06:45.567 --> 0:06:50.007 I should have put more, I need to change my lipsticks. 0:06:50.487 --> 0:06:52.607 We think about changing ourselves and we don't need to 0:06:52.647 --> 0:06:55.487 change ourselves. Women are always trying to change themselves. And 0:06:55.527 --> 0:06:58.007 a lot of what makes me so passionate about this 0:06:58.087 --> 0:07:02.207 system is that it does explain exactly the reason why 0:07:02.247 --> 0:07:03.407 you're gorgeous as you are. 0:07:04.047 --> 0:07:04.807 Stop changing. 0:07:04.927 --> 0:07:07.247 Stop around about if you dye your hair and you 0:07:07.327 --> 0:07:09.287 mess with your colors, which were you know, and we 0:07:09.287 --> 0:07:12.607 wear musca and wee eyebrows and all that stuff. Am 0:07:12.607 --> 0:07:13.767 I changing my season? 0:07:13.847 --> 0:07:14.247 Yeah? 0:07:14.287 --> 0:07:16.207 Well no, you're not changing your season, but you're not 0:07:16.247 --> 0:07:18.287 complimenting it. So maybe what you're doing, if you're doing 0:07:18.287 --> 0:07:21.287 a radical hair change, which some clients do, you're then 0:07:21.327 --> 0:07:25.167 pushing your spring into maybe a winter or another season. 0:07:25.327 --> 0:07:27.647 So you're starting to fight. So therefore, all the clothes 0:07:27.687 --> 0:07:30.487 that you've enjoyed Holly, like this beautiful turquoise, you're oh, 0:07:30.567 --> 0:07:31.607 it's not doing what it used to do. 0:07:31.687 --> 0:07:34.207 So if Holly, who is naturally blonde, like yeah, completely 0:07:34.327 --> 0:07:37.807 naturally blonde, if she then went dark brown, they. 0:07:37.767 --> 0:07:39.887 Would flatten you fuck with her color season? 0:07:40.407 --> 0:07:42.847 What if like, I don't even know what color I 0:07:42.847 --> 0:07:45.687 am anymore, probably mousey brown, and I've gone a bit 0:07:45.807 --> 0:07:49.327 brondy gorgeous, But what would be bad? 0:07:50.247 --> 0:07:52.487 And I say we because we're warm and autumn, so 0:07:52.487 --> 0:07:54.687 if we go gray, we don't know it good. 0:07:54.807 --> 0:07:55.447 There's a good reason. 0:07:55.487 --> 0:07:58.327 Look, so you know some so when we see beauty 0:07:58.367 --> 0:08:01.047 women like who look amazing gray, it's more to do 0:08:01.127 --> 0:08:01.967 with their colors than. 0:08:01.887 --> 0:08:05.567 It is because they're and they look amazing. So all 0:08:05.607 --> 0:08:08.767 my warmer clients, I will say, and I very rarely 0:08:08.767 --> 0:08:10.407 say this to people, to try a bit harder to 0:08:10.487 --> 0:08:13.367 keep their color. But I will tell them keep your color, 0:08:13.447 --> 0:08:16.207 keep your warmth naturally, because if you've got you know, 0:08:16.247 --> 0:08:18.647 a warm hair, warm skin, warm eye, and suddenly one 0:08:18.647 --> 0:08:22.967 of the components your hair goes very cold, you grown 0:08:23.407 --> 0:08:27.167 cold cold, You've thrown out your and then they don't 0:08:27.167 --> 0:08:30.367 feel very good about themselves. So the reason, yeah, it's 0:08:30.367 --> 0:08:32.287 a cold and a cool person looks gray. I'm like, 0:08:32.407 --> 0:08:34.447 let's go and embrace it. You look amazing. Let's just 0:08:34.447 --> 0:08:36.087 make a couple of tweaks to your makeup or whatever 0:08:36.127 --> 0:08:38.527 it might be. But my warmer toned people are like, 0:08:38.847 --> 0:08:41.767 stay with me. Let's just keep going and masking the 0:08:41.807 --> 0:08:44.767 gray because we're going to look better for longer. 0:08:45.047 --> 0:08:48.407 So Holly and I we're both fairy and we're both blonde, 0:08:48.407 --> 0:08:50.767 so on the surface we look like we might be 0:08:50.807 --> 0:08:52.087 part of the same savesand but we're not. 0:08:52.287 --> 0:08:55.447 No, because you're cooler, Jessie, Yeah, and Holly's warmer. 0:08:55.727 --> 0:08:57.447 So I'm a your. 0:08:57.327 --> 0:09:01.967 Spring slash light spring spring on your summer slash light summer, okay. 0:09:01.807 --> 0:09:04.367 And so for your cooler colours, work on me. 0:09:04.687 --> 0:09:07.647 So more blue based color and more more pink than peach. 0:09:07.807 --> 0:09:10.967 So even though you would think summer sounds like a 0:09:11.007 --> 0:09:13.407 warm season. The colors. 0:09:13.247 --> 0:09:16.567 It's not that this is very complicated. It's why you 0:09:16.607 --> 0:09:16.927 have to. 0:09:16.887 --> 0:09:18.687 Look at it. 0:09:18.927 --> 0:09:19.167 White. 0:09:19.207 --> 0:09:21.567 Podcasting is possibly not the best medium for this. 0:09:21.647 --> 0:09:24.247 I have a question, is there any color that suits everyone? 0:09:24.487 --> 0:09:27.647 There's actually a few, So a burgundy and a kind 0:09:27.647 --> 0:09:30.967 of mid navy is generally really good, and a pine 0:09:30.967 --> 0:09:35.167 green and an off white, so they're generally gonna look 0:09:35.207 --> 0:09:37.527 good on pretty much every person, which is why I 0:09:37.607 --> 0:09:39.967 used to design with a lot of those colors. And 0:09:40.007 --> 0:09:43.327 it's only now twenty odd years later I'm going, oh, 0:09:43.487 --> 0:09:44.927 so that's why they sold. 0:09:44.687 --> 0:09:47.607 More than black. Whereas everyone thinks, oh, black suits everyone, 0:09:47.687 --> 0:09:48.127 it doesn't. 0:09:48.127 --> 0:09:49.847 But black no one ever thinks about it. So only 0:09:49.847 --> 0:09:51.687 when we put a color on our body that isn't 0:09:51.687 --> 0:09:53.887 black or white or gray that we start to question it. 0:09:53.927 --> 0:09:56.487 And I'm like, it's hilarious how we haven't questioned all 0:09:56.487 --> 0:09:58.847 the wrong colors. We often then question the right colors. 0:09:59.967 --> 0:10:06.327 I want to ask about sequence. Obviously I have gone 0:10:06.327 --> 0:10:10.927 off seating, but I'm interested to know where a saquin. 0:10:10.647 --> 0:10:15.847 Fits in in your colors. So bronze gold not cold 0:10:15.847 --> 0:10:20.207 sacred print, can may wear leopard absolutely mere looks amazing. 0:10:20.287 --> 0:10:24.247 Leopard warm, you're better in your tall you know the 0:10:24.247 --> 0:10:25.807 brown that I put on you, which would be a 0:10:25.807 --> 0:10:27.727 photo of that brown for you, which is a bit 0:10:27.807 --> 0:10:28.607 softer and more pressy. 0:10:28.727 --> 0:10:29.487 That's your leopard. 0:10:29.887 --> 0:10:30.967 Okay. 0:10:31.247 --> 0:10:34.047 Now this extends to jewelry too, right, whether you're a 0:10:34.127 --> 0:10:37.047 gold or a silver person. So is there a rule 0:10:37.167 --> 0:10:39.967 like summer is gold and winter is silver? Like what's 0:10:40.007 --> 0:10:40.327 the rule? 0:10:40.407 --> 0:10:43.607 So spring and autumn, which are more warm, are more gold, 0:10:44.167 --> 0:10:46.087 and then your summer and your winter are more silver. 0:10:46.567 --> 0:10:48.887 So when I say silver, it's umbrella ing white gold, 0:10:49.007 --> 0:10:52.367 platinum silver. But Jesse, because you're a bit of light 0:10:52.567 --> 0:10:54.127 summer as well, you can actually do a little bit 0:10:54.167 --> 0:10:56.567 of pale gold. It really looks nice because you've got 0:10:56.567 --> 0:10:58.887 a bit of gold in your eye. So your cool skin, 0:10:59.167 --> 0:11:01.367 cool hair, a little bit of warmth in your eye. 0:11:01.407 --> 0:11:02.807 So that's where you can go a little bit warm 0:11:02.847 --> 0:11:03.567 with your metals. 0:11:03.647 --> 0:11:06.567 There's a trend on TikTok discovered a lot of another 0:11:06.607 --> 0:11:10.287 one which is about going back to your roots. 0:11:10.367 --> 0:11:10.567 Right. 0:11:10.687 --> 0:11:13.407 Yeah, you're a lot of people, especially blondes, who have 0:11:13.527 --> 0:11:16.887 gone my true color season says that I should be 0:11:17.047 --> 0:11:20.567 a dark brown or whatever. Yeah, would you encourage people 0:11:20.607 --> 0:11:23.127 who feel like that it's not really working to kind 0:11:23.167 --> 0:11:25.407 of look back at what their natural coloring is. 0:11:25.447 --> 0:11:28.287 Absolutely, I often say to people, go back to what 0:11:28.287 --> 0:11:31.047 you are. So what's really interesting When I'm analyzing people 0:11:31.167 --> 0:11:32.647 and they're coming to me, I look at the roots 0:11:32.687 --> 0:11:34.367 of their hair is often underneath at the back where 0:11:34.367 --> 0:11:37.527 we don't always color, and then I literally pull the. 0:11:37.287 --> 0:11:39.527 Ends of their hair to their roots. 0:11:39.287 --> 0:11:42.407 Right, And often it's like a to Z, yes, right, 0:11:42.527 --> 0:11:44.887 And what I'm saying is yeah, and we almost want 0:11:44.927 --> 0:11:46.847 D E and F in the middle, if that makes sense, 0:11:47.287 --> 0:11:49.927 because we're going from one extreme on the ends to 0:11:50.167 --> 0:11:52.607 from our natural and really what we're born with. We 0:11:52.647 --> 0:11:54.807 only really want to go two shade stark or lighter 0:11:54.847 --> 0:11:57.767 ideally with our hair interesting from a colour's point of 0:11:57.847 --> 0:11:59.687 view as well. But obviously a lot of hairdressers want 0:11:59.727 --> 0:12:02.767 to lock you into going extreme, one because they think 0:12:02.807 --> 0:12:04.967 that's going to make you happy, but two because you'll 0:12:05.007 --> 0:12:06.007 be revisiting them a lot. 0:12:06.047 --> 0:12:06.767 I have to keep going. 0:12:07.087 --> 0:12:09.007 But where you suggest it's one of the hardest. In 0:12:09.047 --> 0:12:11.607 your color is beautiful because you have tones of warm 0:12:11.727 --> 0:12:13.007 and cool blonde. 0:12:12.647 --> 0:12:15.367 Which that's terfect for you. And I often. 0:12:15.087 --> 0:12:17.447 See people who sit where you sit go very white 0:12:17.447 --> 0:12:20.927 bond because it's easier for hairdressers to do that rather 0:12:21.007 --> 0:12:23.807 than get a very particular. 0:12:23.447 --> 0:12:27.127 Because Malfoy and I also used to get They used 0:12:27.167 --> 0:12:28.807 to want me to go ashy, and I didn't like 0:12:28.887 --> 0:12:31.567 ash ash used to make me look sick. It used 0:12:31.607 --> 0:12:33.727 to and I used to have to try and explain 0:12:33.767 --> 0:12:35.967 the tone of bland, not the color, but the exact 0:12:36.007 --> 0:12:37.327 tone different. 0:12:37.447 --> 0:12:40.447 You've got quite good color, beautiful except for the black 0:12:40.527 --> 0:12:43.287 you wear around your eyes, because as Kim was explaining 0:12:43.327 --> 0:12:46.287 to us, but I think my instincts are good as well, 0:12:46.327 --> 0:12:48.607 because I've always said I feel like it's too harsh 0:12:48.767 --> 0:12:51.007 on your eyes, and I was correct, And look. 0:12:50.807 --> 0:12:54.607 I've been better lately, but then today I did default. 0:12:54.647 --> 0:12:58.087 But Jesse, also, remember you could go softer in the colors, 0:12:58.167 --> 0:13:00.887 a bit more navy, a bit more olive, cocky, et cetera, 0:13:01.167 --> 0:13:01.967 rather than black. 0:13:02.327 --> 0:13:03.167 Yeah, but you can. 0:13:03.047 --> 0:13:05.487 Also go softer, as in more of a powder as 0:13:05.527 --> 0:13:06.327 opposed to a line. 0:13:06.527 --> 0:13:07.327 Okay, does that mean. 0:13:07.247 --> 0:13:08.167 How about a brown? 0:13:09.687 --> 0:13:11.607 No more of a green, more of a green, more 0:13:11.607 --> 0:13:12.447 of a green or a navy. 0:13:12.647 --> 0:13:16.127 I'm gonna do it on Wednesday. I'll wear a green brown. 0:13:16.287 --> 0:13:18.807 Light brown is good but not chocolate. It's too dark 0:13:18.847 --> 0:13:19.407 and masculine. 0:13:19.607 --> 0:13:22.967 It look like a lightly brown Yeah, okay. 0:13:21.367 --> 0:13:24.647 I curse him like an icy dead people cursed. Do 0:13:24.687 --> 0:13:26.407 you'd walk around all the time just looking at people 0:13:26.407 --> 0:13:28.767 and going you're wearing all the wrong things. I want 0:13:28.767 --> 0:13:30.287 to tap them on the shoulder and the lift and 0:13:30.327 --> 0:13:33.007 just be like dah, not that yellow. No, no no. 0:13:33.087 --> 0:13:35.127 If they're not asking my opinion, I'll try and keep 0:13:35.127 --> 0:13:37.287 my mouth closed. But I have run after people before 0:13:37.287 --> 0:13:38.367 I've got. 0:13:39.447 --> 0:13:41.367 I saw someone when I went from my mammogram the 0:13:41.367 --> 0:13:43.007 other day that was wearing the wrong color, and I 0:13:43.007 --> 0:13:46.167 wanted to tap her on the shoulder, and but I figured, 0:13:46.207 --> 0:13:50.487 you know, no one's having their best day. Probably didn't 0:13:50.527 --> 0:13:50.847 need that. 0:13:51.327 --> 0:13:52.087 Me wrong as well? 0:13:52.207 --> 0:13:54.087 You run after someone once, you said. 0:13:53.927 --> 0:13:55.927 And well, I often run after people when they're wearing 0:13:55.927 --> 0:13:58.647 the right color and go, oh, my god, that color 0:13:58.687 --> 0:14:01.047 looks amazing on you. Because often people say, oh, that 0:14:01.087 --> 0:14:03.287 looks great on you. My clients go oh, but hang, 0:14:03.327 --> 0:14:04.807 and I've been told this pink looks amazing on you. 0:14:05.087 --> 0:14:06.727 But did they say it looks amazing when you do? 0:14:06.807 --> 0:14:07.487 They like the color? 0:14:07.807 --> 0:14:10.967 Yes, I noticed a different. So last week I bought 0:14:10.967 --> 0:14:13.167 a shirt in a color that I wouldn't have normally. 0:14:13.207 --> 0:14:16.807 It was like a light terror cottery color, and I 0:14:16.847 --> 0:14:19.607 did an insta bubble. My Instagram was full of comments like, 0:14:19.607 --> 0:14:22.167 almost every single one that color looks amazing on you. 0:14:22.327 --> 0:14:25.207 Ye other times, if I'm wearing a really bright, vibrant color, 0:14:25.247 --> 0:14:27.807 they might say I love that color. But it was 0:14:27.927 --> 0:14:30.687 very interesting that they all said the same thing because 0:14:30.687 --> 0:14:35.407 the color amazing wasn't that interesting. It enhanced beauty. 0:14:37.287 --> 0:14:40.487 That's what's really interesting. 0:14:41.487 --> 0:14:44.127 A lot of a lot of my clients don't particularly, 0:14:44.127 --> 0:14:46.007 so when I'm doing, you know, a shop for them, 0:14:46.007 --> 0:14:47.687 I'll pre shop for them, right, so I get all 0:14:47.727 --> 0:14:50.087 their colors and shapes and styles and outfit them all 0:14:50.087 --> 0:14:52.007 for them and show them how their palette interacts, right, 0:14:52.007 --> 0:14:54.327 because that's really the genius part of this whole system, 0:14:54.367 --> 0:14:56.687 how well it interacts. And a lot of the time 0:14:56.727 --> 0:14:58.767 my clients are like, oh, this color's okay, all right, 0:14:58.807 --> 0:15:00.807 I'll try it on Oh my god, I love it 0:15:00.807 --> 0:15:02.967 on me, okay, And they're like, what have you done 0:15:03.007 --> 0:15:03.767 this witchcraft? 0:15:03.767 --> 0:15:05.127 I think the girls said it last. 0:15:04.927 --> 0:15:06.527 Week when I was in and it was hilarious, like 0:15:06.567 --> 0:15:08.527 I was putting a spell on them or something. And 0:15:08.407 --> 0:15:11.367 because I've never picked that before exactly because you're like, oh, 0:15:11.607 --> 0:15:12.247 you know, we don't know. 0:15:12.247 --> 0:15:14.007 How are we meant to know? Like we never learn 0:15:14.087 --> 0:15:15.607 how to dress ourselves. And that's why I think it 0:15:15.607 --> 0:15:16.127 is the truth. 0:15:16.167 --> 0:15:18.287 I should be taught in schools. 0:15:17.767 --> 0:15:23.727 It should be like English, right, like I and trying 0:15:23.727 --> 0:15:25.607 to wean myself off it because if I walk into 0:15:25.647 --> 0:15:28.527 a shop, I just will gravitate to the blue rack, right, 0:15:28.927 --> 0:15:31.287 I have so many blue tops and so many blue 0:15:31.367 --> 0:15:34.247 whatever did I know? I just knew that was the 0:15:34.327 --> 0:15:34.767 right thing. 0:15:34.887 --> 0:15:37.327 Like it was because it makes you feel good, So 0:15:37.367 --> 0:15:37.967 you should. 0:15:37.807 --> 0:15:39.487 Feel good in the colors. 0:15:39.607 --> 0:15:42.207 Absolutely, that's the difference, because I can make people look 0:15:42.247 --> 0:15:44.807 better instantly, but it's the feeling better part. That's the 0:15:44.807 --> 0:15:46.647 bit that I care about most. I want to feel 0:15:46.847 --> 0:15:48.207 better in your clothes. 0:15:49.287 --> 0:15:51.567 I have a question. Okay, you're at home, you're thinking 0:15:51.607 --> 0:15:54.487 about your colors, as I often do. Yeah, where do 0:15:54.487 --> 0:15:57.127 people start? So someone's listening and they're going, oh wait, 0:15:57.247 --> 0:16:00.847 I have blue eyes and brown hair and dark skin. 0:16:01.207 --> 0:16:03.887 I have absolutely no idea where do they start? 0:16:03.967 --> 0:16:06.087 So we've done a little checklist, actually from the Nothing 0:16:06.087 --> 0:16:08.327 to Wear podcasts I did. We've done a little checklist 0:16:08.367 --> 0:16:10.007 for you. Pupping that Togey. 0:16:10.087 --> 0:16:11.967 They've got a whole lot of because you can imagine 0:16:11.967 --> 0:16:14.607 how I've sessed I've been, so she's hyper focused. I've 0:16:14.687 --> 0:16:17.327 hyper focused on this. So we've put a whole hub 0:16:17.407 --> 0:16:20.327 of content where you can work out what your color is, 0:16:20.687 --> 0:16:23.167 find the best colors for you. And of course if 0:16:23.167 --> 0:16:24.807 people want to find you, they need to look up 0:16:24.847 --> 0:16:25.807 style sense. 0:16:25.607 --> 0:16:28.167 Yes, style sense dot net dot au or look at 0:16:28.167 --> 0:16:30.607 my insta. I've got loads of examples on there as well, 0:16:30.647 --> 0:16:31.527 style dot Sense. 0:16:31.807 --> 0:16:34.207 And you can then see people that hopefully will look 0:16:34.247 --> 0:16:34.887 like you because. 0:16:34.647 --> 0:16:37.447 Hopefully now both of you, Holly and Jesse, now you're 0:16:37.767 --> 0:16:39.767 next to each other, right and we've done a little 0:16:39.767 --> 0:16:42.127 bit of color work, hopefully you can see what's unique 0:16:42.167 --> 0:16:45.327 about you rather than bundling you together. Does that make sense? 0:16:45.327 --> 0:16:47.287 Because now I can go on to Pinterest and look 0:16:47.367 --> 0:16:49.687