Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
Speaker 2: Mama mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on.
Speaker 3: I've always wanted to try the color analysis thing, and
Speaker 3: I'm so glad there's finally a filter for it.
Speaker 1: But I need your help now. I have no idea
Speaker 1: what season I am? What do you think?
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Mama Mia out Loud. I'm Holly Wainwright,
Speaker 2: I'm Mea Friedman, and I'm Jesse Stevens, and today we
Speaker 2: have a very special episode for you. You may have
Speaker 2: heard us obsessing lately about a certain something, and that
Speaker 2: is our colors. Our colors, the colors we should wear,
Speaker 2: The science of colors. I think you started it, Jesse Stevens.
Speaker 4: I saw it on TikTok, and then I became like
Speaker 4: one of those Internet experts who thinks that they can
Speaker 4: google something and go deep into a hole and nail it,
Speaker 4: even though I have no background. In fact, very dout
Speaker 4: with colors.
Speaker 2: Turned out you got quite close, quite close.
Speaker 4: Because I studied really hard, but we actually thought, why
Speaker 4: don't we do something we never do, which is.
Speaker 2: Get an expert. So if you're going, what are you
Speaker 2: talking about with your colors. What colors you should wear
Speaker 2: is dictated by what season you are, and color experts
Speaker 2: like the wonderful Kim Crowley who joins us today, can
Speaker 2: read you and they can tell you exactly what season
Speaker 2: you are and then give you a whole range of
Speaker 2: colors you can wear. Kim, welcome, Thank you.
Speaker 3: How did you become a color expert?
Speaker 5: Him?
Speaker 6: I'm a former fashion designer, so I had to know color.
Speaker 6: But I thought I knew everything there was to know
Speaker 6: about color because I was putting collections in store, particularly
Speaker 6: in England, and then I had to learn this went
Speaker 6: up skilled to become a personal stylist, and I thought, oh,
Speaker 6: I'm just going to skip over. It's a bit boring,
Speaker 6: isn't it a bit obsolete? Bit dated?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it was big in the what.
Speaker 2: You had your colours die and I was kind of
Speaker 2: like of the era of Toppleway parties exactly.
Speaker 6: And I didn't want to be associated. I'm just going
Speaker 6: to skim over it. In fact, I'm going to pull
Speaker 6: it apart to disprove it because it's no longer applicable.
Speaker 6: Otherwise it would have trickled down to our generation. And
Speaker 6: then I started pulling it apart, and I was like,
Speaker 6: oh god, damnit, I love it. Totally fell in love
Speaker 6: with science of color, and then I've used it every
Speaker 6: day since.
Speaker 3: And you've got a business called style since that's what
Speaker 3: you do.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, it's part of what I do. So it's often
Speaker 6: the beginning of what I do. Because once you understand
Speaker 6: your colors and the types of colors that suit you,
Speaker 6: because it's about types of color. It's not about saying, oh,
Speaker 6: holly blue suits you, it's the type of blue you need,
Speaker 6: a more aquerry blue. Then we can actually then build
Speaker 6: your color capsure around your palette and forget all that
Speaker 6: other stuff that just doesn't belong to you.
Speaker 2: So everybody, regardless of skin tone, and there are many, many,
Speaker 2: many skin tones of course, regardless of skin tone, you
Speaker 2: can generally fit someone on the wheel of the season.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, it's a seasonal wheel. Absolutely every single person sits
Speaker 6: on there and the whole wide world, men, women, everybody.
Speaker 6: And then there's spokes across the wheel because that's what
Speaker 6: makes it complicated.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, fun like star science. So when we got
Speaker 2: involved in this in the first place, Jesse diagnosed herself
Speaker 2: and myself as being springs.
Speaker 4: I thought we were the same. And this is why,
Speaker 4: because this is my top line understanding with something about
Speaker 4: light hair, light eyes, fair skin ish. And then I
Speaker 4: thought that Maya was an autumn because she has dark eyes,
Speaker 4: dark hair, and olive skin. There's more to it than that,
Speaker 4: isn't there is? And that's when it gets complicated for me.
Speaker 4: For example, you're a little bit easier to diagnose because
Speaker 4: you're all your three features are warm, so you've got
Speaker 4: warm hair, warm skin, warm eye, same as me, so
Speaker 4: we're warm, warm, warm, so we're.
Speaker 1: Quite down to earth.
Speaker 5: So my colors are quite which I always suspected but
Speaker 5: didn't want to face because I was like, oh, it's
Speaker 5: just like burnt orange and brown beautiful exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: That's the thing.
Speaker 6: We all have kind of preconceived ideas of what that
Speaker 6: season might look like.
Speaker 1: But because colour has had.
Speaker 6: To modernize because the way we wear color now is different,
Speaker 6: the way colour is put into store. So when I
Speaker 6: used to design, it was very much gray based color.
Speaker 6: And most of my clients, when I ask them the
Speaker 6: four main colors that they wear before I meet them,
Speaker 6: they will say black, white, gray, and a bit blue.
Speaker 6: So that's a really easy palette that we've been wearing
Speaker 6: for years, decades, our parents, our grandparents, We see it
Speaker 6: in interiors.
Speaker 3: Right, So you feel like you can't go wrong with
Speaker 3: those colors because they're like non colors exactly.
Speaker 1: But you can go wrong, and you do because none.
Speaker 5: Of those of yours, none of those are a lot.
Speaker 6: Of people exactly exactly. So it's so interesting how we
Speaker 6: don't really think about color. We just buy into a
Speaker 6: palette and we think it's the right thing to do
Speaker 6: because there's loads of black, white, gray, and blue in
Speaker 6: stare like they're neutrals exactly, and they'll go with everything exactly,
Speaker 6: so we'd never really question is this right for me?
Speaker 6: Is this blue right for me? And actually, once we
Speaker 6: start looking at it, it's a whole other fascinating side
Speaker 6: of color because the more you chop into your palette,
Speaker 6: the more your wardrobe is going to work together.
Speaker 2: What about when the universe isn't in agreement with you?
Speaker 2: So you know how, we'll all be told, this is
Speaker 2: the blue everyone's wearing this winter, this is the pink
Speaker 2: everyone's wearing right now, and it's not in your season.
Speaker 1: Leave it, so you just.
Speaker 2: Keep fashionable this season it will be fashionable and I'm
Speaker 2: ever fashionable anyway.
Speaker 3: The best thing about getting my colors done when Kim
Speaker 3: did them and knowing what they are, definitively the way
Speaker 3: I described it is it turns down the noise in
Speaker 3: getting dressed, in making outfits, and in shopping because it
Speaker 3: doesn't mean if there's a color that's not right on you,
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean you have to throw it away or
Speaker 3: you can't wear it. But it explains a lot of
Speaker 3: things in my wardrobe that I don't wear. And I'll
Speaker 3: often go, I don't wear it because it's the wrong style,
Speaker 3: or it's not in fashion, or it's whatever, or I
Speaker 3: just don't vibe with it. But the reason I don't
Speaker 3: vibe with it is that when I put it on,
Speaker 3: it makes my face. Look what if you're wearing the
Speaker 3: wrong color for your season, what does it do to you?
Speaker 1: Just makes you look.
Speaker 6: Can look tired, can look ill For a lot of
Speaker 6: people if they're really cold, like Leely Campbell, if we
Speaker 6: put a yellow based color on here, she's going to
Speaker 6: look really yellow and ill. Right for you, if we
Speaker 6: put gray based color on you, you're going to look
Speaker 6: really ill.
Speaker 3: And you said to me, because I said, I love
Speaker 3: this kind of blue eg very color. And you just
Speaker 3: said to me, sometimes we love a color that doesn't
Speaker 3: love us all the time.
Speaker 4: Everyone knows experience of going to work, going somewhere and
Speaker 4: someone's like, the color looks nice, and you can't explain
Speaker 4: what it is like. Are we're looking for things that
Speaker 4: compliment our skin tone or something that brings it out? Explain?
Speaker 6: We want to remain balanced, That's what we want to do, right.
Speaker 6: We want to look in hard, so we want to
Speaker 6: look like we're a bit rosier cheeked. We want to
Speaker 6: look like we've got to moisturizer exactly because when we
Speaker 6: were in a color that's not right for us.
Speaker 1: You know, when we feel a bit oh.
Speaker 6: I should have put more, I need to change my lipsticks.
Speaker 6: We think about changing ourselves and we don't need to
Speaker 6: change ourselves. Women are always trying to change themselves. And
Speaker 6: a lot of what makes me so passionate about this
Speaker 6: system is that it does explain exactly the reason why
Speaker 6: you're gorgeous as you are.
Speaker 1: Stop changing.
Speaker 2: Stop around about if you dye your hair and you
Speaker 2: mess with your colors, which were you know, and we
Speaker 2: wear musca and wee eyebrows and all that stuff. Am
Speaker 2: I changing my season?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Well no, you're not changing your season, but you're not
Speaker 6: complimenting it. So maybe what you're doing, if you're doing
Speaker 6: a radical hair change, which some clients do, you're then
Speaker 6: pushing your spring into maybe a winter or another season.
Speaker 6: So you're starting to fight. So therefore, all the clothes
Speaker 6: that you've enjoyed Holly, like this beautiful turquoise, you're oh,
Speaker 6: it's not doing what it used to do.
Speaker 3: So if Holly, who is naturally blonde, like yeah, completely
Speaker 3: naturally blonde, if she then went dark brown, they.
Speaker 2: Would flatten you fuck with her color season?
Speaker 3: What if like, I don't even know what color I
Speaker 3: am anymore, probably mousey brown, and I've gone a bit
Speaker 3: brondy gorgeous, But what would be bad?
Speaker 6: And I say we because we're warm and autumn, so
Speaker 6: if we go gray, we don't know it good.
Speaker 1: There's a good reason.
Speaker 2: Look, so you know some so when we see beauty
Speaker 2: women like who look amazing gray, it's more to do
Speaker 2: with their colors than.
Speaker 6: It is because they're and they look amazing. So all
Speaker 6: my warmer clients, I will say, and I very rarely
Speaker 6: say this to people, to try a bit harder to
Speaker 6: keep their color. But I will tell them keep your color,
Speaker 6: keep your warmth naturally, because if you've got you know,
Speaker 6: a warm hair, warm skin, warm eye, and suddenly one
Speaker 6: of the components your hair goes very cold, you grown
Speaker 6: cold cold, You've thrown out your and then they don't
Speaker 6: feel very good about themselves. So the reason, yeah, it's
Speaker 6: a cold and a cool person looks gray. I'm like,
Speaker 6: let's go and embrace it. You look amazing. Let's just
Speaker 6: make a couple of tweaks to your makeup or whatever
Speaker 6: it might be. But my warmer toned people are like,
Speaker 6: stay with me. Let's just keep going and masking the
Speaker 6: gray because we're going to look better for longer.
Speaker 4: So Holly and I we're both fairy and we're both blonde,
Speaker 4: so on the surface we look like we might be
Speaker 4: part of the same savesand but we're not.
Speaker 6: No, because you're cooler, Jessie, Yeah, and Holly's warmer.
Speaker 2: So I'm a your.
Speaker 6: Spring slash light spring spring on your summer slash light summer, okay.
Speaker 4: And so for your cooler colours, work on me.
Speaker 6: So more blue based color and more more pink than peach.
Speaker 3: So even though you would think summer sounds like a
Speaker 3: warm season. The colors.
Speaker 2: It's not that this is very complicated. It's why you
Speaker 2: have to.
Speaker 4: Look at it.
Speaker 5: White.
Speaker 3: Podcasting is possibly not the best medium for this.
Speaker 4: I have a question, is there any color that suits everyone?
Speaker 6: There's actually a few, So a burgundy and a kind
Speaker 6: of mid navy is generally really good, and a pine
Speaker 6: green and an off white, so they're generally gonna look
Speaker 6: good on pretty much every person, which is why I
Speaker 6: used to design with a lot of those colors. And
Speaker 6: it's only now twenty odd years later I'm going, oh,
Speaker 6: so that's why they sold.
Speaker 3: More than black. Whereas everyone thinks, oh, black suits everyone,
Speaker 3: it doesn't.
Speaker 6: But black no one ever thinks about it. So only
Speaker 6: when we put a color on our body that isn't
Speaker 6: black or white or gray that we start to question it.
Speaker 6: And I'm like, it's hilarious how we haven't questioned all
Speaker 6: the wrong colors. We often then question the right colors.
Speaker 3: I want to ask about sequence. Obviously I have gone
Speaker 3: off seating, but I'm interested to know where a saquin.
Speaker 4: Fits in in your colors. So bronze gold not cold
Speaker 4: sacred print, can may wear leopard absolutely mere looks amazing.
Speaker 4: Leopard warm, you're better in your tall you know the
Speaker 4: brown that I put on you, which would be a
Speaker 4: photo of that brown for you, which is a bit
Speaker 4: softer and more pressy.
Speaker 1: That's your leopard.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: Now this extends to jewelry too, right, whether you're a
Speaker 2: gold or a silver person. So is there a rule
Speaker 2: like summer is gold and winter is silver? Like what's
Speaker 2: the rule?
Speaker 6: So spring and autumn, which are more warm, are more gold,
Speaker 6: and then your summer and your winter are more silver.
Speaker 6: So when I say silver, it's umbrella ing white gold,
Speaker 6: platinum silver. But Jesse, because you're a bit of light
Speaker 6: summer as well, you can actually do a little bit
Speaker 6: of pale gold. It really looks nice because you've got
Speaker 6: a bit of gold in your eye. So your cool skin,
Speaker 6: cool hair, a little bit of warmth in your eye.
Speaker 6: So that's where you can go a little bit warm
Speaker 6: with your metals.
Speaker 4: There's a trend on TikTok discovered a lot of another
Speaker 4: one which is about going back to your roots.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're a lot of people, especially blondes, who have
Speaker 4: gone my true color season says that I should be
Speaker 4: a dark brown or whatever. Yeah, would you encourage people
Speaker 4: who feel like that it's not really working to kind
Speaker 4: of look back at what their natural coloring is.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, I often say to people, go back to what
Speaker 6: you are. So what's really interesting When I'm analyzing people
Speaker 6: and they're coming to me, I look at the roots
Speaker 6: of their hair is often underneath at the back where
Speaker 6: we don't always color, and then I literally pull the.
Speaker 1: Ends of their hair to their roots.
Speaker 6: Right, And often it's like a to Z, yes, right,
Speaker 6: And what I'm saying is yeah, and we almost want
Speaker 6: D E and F in the middle, if that makes sense,
Speaker 6: because we're going from one extreme on the ends to
Speaker 6: from our natural and really what we're born with. We
Speaker 6: only really want to go two shade stark or lighter
Speaker 6: ideally with our hair interesting from a colour's point of
Speaker 6: view as well. But obviously a lot of hairdressers want
Speaker 6: to lock you into going extreme, one because they think
Speaker 6: that's going to make you happy, but two because you'll
Speaker 6: be revisiting them a lot.
Speaker 2: I have to keep going.
Speaker 6: But where you suggest it's one of the hardest. In
Speaker 6: your color is beautiful because you have tones of warm
Speaker 6: and cool blonde.
Speaker 1: Which that's terfect for you. And I often.
Speaker 6: See people who sit where you sit go very white
Speaker 6: bond because it's easier for hairdressers to do that rather
Speaker 6: than get a very particular.
Speaker 4: Because Malfoy and I also used to get They used
Speaker 4: to want me to go ashy, and I didn't like
Speaker 4: ash ash used to make me look sick. It used
Speaker 4: to and I used to have to try and explain
Speaker 4: the tone of bland, not the color, but the exact
Speaker 4: tone different.
Speaker 3: You've got quite good color, beautiful except for the black
Speaker 3: you wear around your eyes, because as Kim was explaining
Speaker 3: to us, but I think my instincts are good as well,
Speaker 3: because I've always said I feel like it's too harsh
Speaker 3: on your eyes, and I was correct, And look.
Speaker 4: I've been better lately, but then today I did default.
Speaker 6: But Jesse, also, remember you could go softer in the colors,
Speaker 6: a bit more navy, a bit more olive, cocky, et cetera,
Speaker 6: rather than black.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you can.
Speaker 6: Also go softer, as in more of a powder as
Speaker 6: opposed to a line.
Speaker 1: Okay, does that mean.
Speaker 4: How about a brown?
Speaker 6: No more of a green, more of a green, more
Speaker 6: of a green or a navy.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it on Wednesday. I'll wear a green brown.
Speaker 1: Light brown is good but not chocolate. It's too dark
Speaker 1: and masculine.
Speaker 4: It look like a lightly brown Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: I curse him like an icy dead people cursed. Do
Speaker 2: you'd walk around all the time just looking at people
Speaker 2: and going you're wearing all the wrong things. I want
Speaker 2: to tap them on the shoulder and the lift and
Speaker 2: just be like dah, not that yellow. No, no no.
Speaker 6: If they're not asking my opinion, I'll try and keep
Speaker 6: my mouth closed. But I have run after people before
Speaker 6: I've got.
Speaker 3: I saw someone when I went from my mammogram the
Speaker 3: other day that was wearing the wrong color, and I
Speaker 3: wanted to tap her on the shoulder, and but I figured,
Speaker 3: you know, no one's having their best day. Probably didn't
Speaker 3: need that.
Speaker 4: Me wrong as well?
Speaker 2: You run after someone once, you said.
Speaker 6: And well, I often run after people when they're wearing
Speaker 6: the right color and go, oh, my god, that color
Speaker 6: looks amazing on you. Because often people say, oh, that
Speaker 6: looks great on you. My clients go oh, but hang,
Speaker 6: and I've been told this pink looks amazing on you.
Speaker 6: But did they say it looks amazing when you do?
Speaker 1: They like the color?
Speaker 3: Yes, I noticed a different. So last week I bought
Speaker 3: a shirt in a color that I wouldn't have normally.
Speaker 3: It was like a light terror cottery color, and I
Speaker 3: did an insta bubble. My Instagram was full of comments like,
Speaker 3: almost every single one that color looks amazing on you.
Speaker 3: Ye other times, if I'm wearing a really bright, vibrant color,
Speaker 3: they might say I love that color. But it was
Speaker 3: very interesting that they all said the same thing because
Speaker 3: the color amazing wasn't that interesting. It enhanced beauty.
Speaker 1: That's what's really interesting.
Speaker 6: A lot of a lot of my clients don't particularly,
Speaker 6: so when I'm doing, you know, a shop for them,
Speaker 6: I'll pre shop for them, right, so I get all
Speaker 6: their colors and shapes and styles and outfit them all
Speaker 6: for them and show them how their palette interacts, right,
Speaker 6: because that's really the genius part of this whole system,
Speaker 6: how well it interacts. And a lot of the time
Speaker 6: my clients are like, oh, this color's okay, all right,
Speaker 6: I'll try it on Oh my god, I love it
Speaker 6: on me, okay, And they're like, what have you done
Speaker 6: this witchcraft?
Speaker 1: I think the girls said it last.
Speaker 6: Week when I was in and it was hilarious, like
Speaker 6: I was putting a spell on them or something. And
Speaker 6: because I've never picked that before exactly because you're like, oh,
Speaker 6: you know, we don't know.
Speaker 1: How are we meant to know? Like we never learn
Speaker 1: how to dress ourselves. And that's why I think it
Speaker 1: is the truth.
Speaker 3: I should be taught in schools.
Speaker 2: It should be like English, right, like I and trying
Speaker 2: to wean myself off it because if I walk into
Speaker 2: a shop, I just will gravitate to the blue rack, right,
Speaker 2: I have so many blue tops and so many blue
Speaker 2: whatever did I know? I just knew that was the
Speaker 2: right thing.
Speaker 1: Like it was because it makes you feel good, So
Speaker 1: you should.
Speaker 2: Feel good in the colors.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, that's the difference, because I can make people look
Speaker 6: better instantly, but it's the feeling better part. That's the
Speaker 6: bit that I care about most. I want to feel
Speaker 6: better in your clothes.
Speaker 4: I have a question. Okay, you're at home, you're thinking
Speaker 4: about your colors, as I often do. Yeah, where do
Speaker 4: people start? So someone's listening and they're going, oh wait,
Speaker 4: I have blue eyes and brown hair and dark skin.
Speaker 4: I have absolutely no idea where do they start?
Speaker 6: So we've done a little checklist, actually from the Nothing
Speaker 6: to Wear podcasts I did. We've done a little checklist
Speaker 6: for you. Pupping that Togey.
Speaker 3: They've got a whole lot of because you can imagine
Speaker 3: how I've sessed I've been, so she's hyper focused. I've
Speaker 3: hyper focused on this. So we've put a whole hub
Speaker 3: of content where you can work out what your color is,
Speaker 3: find the best colors for you. And of course if
Speaker 3: people want to find you, they need to look up
Speaker 3: style sense.
Speaker 6: Yes, style sense dot net dot au or look at
Speaker 6: my insta. I've got loads of examples on there as well,
Speaker 6: style dot Sense.
Speaker 1: And you can then see people that hopefully will look
Speaker 1: like you because.
Speaker 6: Hopefully now both of you, Holly and Jesse, now you're
Speaker 6: next to each other, right and we've done a little
Speaker 6: bit of color work, hopefully you can see what's unique
Speaker 6: about you rather than bundling you together. Does that make sense?
Speaker 4: Because now I can go on to Pinterest and look
Speaker 4: up like summer. Yeah, will give me because now I
Speaker 4: know what to google.
Speaker 3: And what I've done is I've printed out my best
Speaker 3: colors but also my worst colors, and I've put them
Speaker 3: stuck them on my mirror.
Speaker 2: You need them, mer Wallet, Yes you don't have.
Speaker 3: Because I don't. But if only you could take a
Speaker 3: photo and have it on your phone. I'll imagine that.
Speaker 3: I find it's so helpful to be reminded of what
Speaker 3: my worst colors are.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're away from them.
Speaker 3: I have one more question.
Speaker 1: Fluoro is really hard, hard, cold.
Speaker 5: Cold.
Speaker 4: Can anyone wear them?
Speaker 1: They are very, very, very very hard.
Speaker 2: So probably there's a question though about that that might
Speaker 2: allow one to wear Floro? Are we really mostly talking
Speaker 2: about the colors you wear near your face? What about
Speaker 2: things you want on your body?
Speaker 6: Are talking about every single thing you put on your body?
Speaker 6: Every single thing? Because I've had clients that I don't
Speaker 6: have pretty feet and I'm like, no, no, you've got
Speaker 6: great feet. You just need to change your nail varnish
Speaker 6: color and your shoe color.
Speaker 2: And then they're like, oh my god, wear So you
Speaker 2: can't wear Floro pants with your navy.
Speaker 6: Top if you really love because I'm not ever going
Speaker 6: to say you cannot ever wear a color. That's not
Speaker 6: That's not the way I teach. The way I teach
Speaker 6: is the more you shop into your palette, the better
Speaker 6: you're going to feel. The less clothes you have to own,
Speaker 6: the less money you spend, the less thinking you'll have
Speaker 6: to do, the less waste it's just brilliant and want
Speaker 6: the clarity that you get from being able to shop right.
Speaker 6: And a shop is listening and goes, oh, can you
Speaker 6: should try on this lovely yellow? No, no, lemon yellow is
Speaker 6: not go for me. Can you show me the mustard?
Speaker 6: I can converse with her to get me to the
Speaker 6: point where I'm going to make a purchase quicker, smarter.
Speaker 6: I take that home, that mustard garment, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 6: can I.
Speaker 1: Make three outfits?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: I can make thirteen or.
Speaker 2: Thirty because it works with your power, works with everything.
Speaker 6: And that's the quantifying this where I've seen clients before
Speaker 6: and they're like, no, I'm going to skip the color
Speaker 6: analysis part. Cour We'll just outfit your wardrobe because that's
Speaker 6: the other part of what I do. So literally pull
Speaker 6: ou their wardrobe out and we start to outfit all
Speaker 6: in brand new outfits right, things they've never thought about.
Speaker 6: We create maybe thirty to forty new outfits if they
Speaker 6: haven't had a color analysis. When they've done a color analysis,
Speaker 6: it's about ninety wow, ninety brand new outfits. So if
Speaker 6: you don't think this works, yeah, think again. It is
Speaker 6: so amazing, And that's why so many of my clients
Speaker 6: are so passionate about this color system as I am.
Speaker 3: I can say that suddenly, like that shirt that I
Speaker 3: bought in that sort of coralie terracotta color, Suddenly it's
Speaker 3: pulled together so many things in my wardrobe. It's so interesting.
Speaker 4: And I need rules because I'm not intuitive about fashion,
Speaker 4: and I really struggle with it, and I want to
Speaker 4: think about it less. And I want to know when
Speaker 4: I'm looking online because.
Speaker 2: You never know whether what you're looking at online is
Speaker 2: like color.
Speaker 4: But even walking into shops, I just go, oh, obviously,
Speaker 4: got try it on for the size. But I'm like,
Speaker 4: I'm starting from zero every time, I'll.
Speaker 1: Exactly so what we want to do.
Speaker 6: We want to go into store and you go, oh, no,
Speaker 6: that pink's a bit too much, here's my pink. And
Speaker 6: then you shop into shape, right, so you go you
Speaker 6: can see your colors, and then it's shape second.
Speaker 1: Because once you've taken the risk of.
Speaker 6: Color out, all you've got to then do is figure
Speaker 6: out do I like the shape?
Speaker 1: Is it the right? Do I need to go down
Speaker 1: a size? Probably? And all those things. The risk of
Speaker 1: color is.
Speaker 6: Taken out, so you're shopping, you get to where you
Speaker 6: need to get so much quicker, because not everything is
Speaker 6: meant for you. And when I realized that about my
Speaker 6: own so much, it was like, oh, I'm.
Speaker 1: Not trying to fight with black and silk.
Speaker 2: Yes, life changing clearly and also out loud. As we're
Speaker 2: wearing the colors we're meant to be wearing right now. Yes,
Speaker 2: she's wearing all of them and wants a bit just
Speaker 2: on the spring. I'm the only this is the right
Speaker 2: blue for me.
Speaker 4: Apparently this is the right one for me.
Speaker 2: Those are Jesse's colors, So thank you, Kim. Of course
Speaker 2: you're wearing your color looks bloody lovely.
Speaker 6: I do go off palette sometimes, but very rarely.
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