1 00:00:10,327 --> 00:00:13,047 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,727 --> 00:00:16,767 Speaker 2: Mama mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:16,807 --> 00:00:18,367 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:18,727 --> 00:00:21,527 Speaker 3: I've always wanted to try the color analysis thing, and 5 00:00:21,567 --> 00:00:23,687 Speaker 3: I'm so glad there's finally a filter for it. 6 00:00:24,247 --> 00:00:26,087 Speaker 1: But I need your help now. I have no idea 7 00:00:26,207 --> 00:00:28,247 Speaker 1: what season I am? What do you think? 8 00:00:32,287 --> 00:00:36,047 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Mama Mia out Loud. I'm Holly Wainwright, 9 00:00:36,207 --> 00:00:39,087 Speaker 2: I'm Mea Friedman, and I'm Jesse Stevens, and today we 10 00:00:39,167 --> 00:00:41,607 Speaker 2: have a very special episode for you. You may have 11 00:00:41,687 --> 00:00:45,007 Speaker 2: heard us obsessing lately about a certain something, and that 12 00:00:45,127 --> 00:00:47,887 Speaker 2: is our colors. Our colors, the colors we should wear, 13 00:00:47,967 --> 00:00:51,087 Speaker 2: The science of colors. I think you started it, Jesse Stevens. 14 00:00:51,287 --> 00:00:53,807 Speaker 4: I saw it on TikTok, and then I became like 15 00:00:54,327 --> 00:00:56,407 Speaker 4: one of those Internet experts who thinks that they can 16 00:00:56,447 --> 00:00:59,407 Speaker 4: google something and go deep into a hole and nail it, 17 00:00:59,447 --> 00:01:01,607 Speaker 4: even though I have no background. In fact, very dout 18 00:01:01,647 --> 00:01:02,207 Speaker 4: with colors. 19 00:01:02,047 --> 00:01:04,487 Speaker 2: Turned out you got quite close, quite close. 20 00:01:04,247 --> 00:01:07,767 Speaker 4: Because I studied really hard, but we actually thought, why 21 00:01:07,767 --> 00:01:09,727 Speaker 4: don't we do something we never do, which is. 22 00:01:09,887 --> 00:01:12,767 Speaker 2: Get an expert. So if you're going, what are you 23 00:01:12,807 --> 00:01:15,087 Speaker 2: talking about with your colors. What colors you should wear 24 00:01:15,167 --> 00:01:18,967 Speaker 2: is dictated by what season you are, and color experts 25 00:01:19,327 --> 00:01:22,807 Speaker 2: like the wonderful Kim Crowley who joins us today, can 26 00:01:22,887 --> 00:01:25,287 Speaker 2: read you and they can tell you exactly what season 27 00:01:25,287 --> 00:01:26,767 Speaker 2: you are and then give you a whole range of 28 00:01:26,767 --> 00:01:29,967 Speaker 2: colors you can wear. Kim, welcome, Thank you. 29 00:01:30,087 --> 00:01:31,687 Speaker 3: How did you become a color expert? 30 00:01:31,767 --> 00:01:31,967 Speaker 5: Him? 31 00:01:32,167 --> 00:01:34,567 Speaker 6: I'm a former fashion designer, so I had to know color. 32 00:01:34,607 --> 00:01:36,607 Speaker 6: But I thought I knew everything there was to know 33 00:01:36,607 --> 00:01:39,247 Speaker 6: about color because I was putting collections in store, particularly 34 00:01:39,247 --> 00:01:41,767 Speaker 6: in England, and then I had to learn this went 35 00:01:41,847 --> 00:01:44,967 Speaker 6: up skilled to become a personal stylist, and I thought, oh, 36 00:01:45,007 --> 00:01:46,567 Speaker 6: I'm just going to skip over. It's a bit boring, 37 00:01:46,607 --> 00:01:47,967 Speaker 6: isn't it a bit obsolete? Bit dated? 38 00:01:48,087 --> 00:01:49,327 Speaker 3: Yeah, because it was big in the what. 39 00:01:51,207 --> 00:01:53,487 Speaker 2: You had your colours die and I was kind of 40 00:01:53,527 --> 00:01:56,327 Speaker 2: like of the era of Toppleway parties exactly. 41 00:01:55,967 --> 00:01:58,047 Speaker 6: And I didn't want to be associated. I'm just going 42 00:01:58,127 --> 00:01:59,487 Speaker 6: to skim over it. In fact, I'm going to pull 43 00:01:59,487 --> 00:02:02,047 Speaker 6: it apart to disprove it because it's no longer applicable. 44 00:02:02,367 --> 00:02:04,567 Speaker 6: Otherwise it would have trickled down to our generation. And 45 00:02:04,567 --> 00:02:06,807 Speaker 6: then I started pulling it apart, and I was like, 46 00:02:06,927 --> 00:02:09,127 Speaker 6: oh god, damnit, I love it. Totally fell in love 47 00:02:09,127 --> 00:02:11,327 Speaker 6: with science of color, and then I've used it every 48 00:02:11,367 --> 00:02:11,847 Speaker 6: day since. 49 00:02:12,167 --> 00:02:14,967 Speaker 3: And you've got a business called style since that's what 50 00:02:15,007 --> 00:02:15,327 Speaker 3: you do. 51 00:02:15,527 --> 00:02:17,647 Speaker 6: Absolutely, it's part of what I do. So it's often 52 00:02:17,687 --> 00:02:19,887 Speaker 6: the beginning of what I do. Because once you understand 53 00:02:19,927 --> 00:02:22,327 Speaker 6: your colors and the types of colors that suit you, 54 00:02:22,327 --> 00:02:24,927 Speaker 6: because it's about types of color. It's not about saying, oh, 55 00:02:24,927 --> 00:02:27,367 Speaker 6: holly blue suits you, it's the type of blue you need, 56 00:02:27,407 --> 00:02:30,567 Speaker 6: a more aquerry blue. Then we can actually then build 57 00:02:30,607 --> 00:02:33,687 Speaker 6: your color capsure around your palette and forget all that 58 00:02:33,727 --> 00:02:35,647 Speaker 6: other stuff that just doesn't belong to you. 59 00:02:35,967 --> 00:02:39,487 Speaker 2: So everybody, regardless of skin tone, and there are many, many, 60 00:02:39,487 --> 00:02:42,647 Speaker 2: many skin tones of course, regardless of skin tone, you 61 00:02:42,727 --> 00:02:46,127 Speaker 2: can generally fit someone on the wheel of the season. 62 00:02:46,327 --> 00:02:49,687 Speaker 6: Absolutely, it's a seasonal wheel. Absolutely every single person sits 63 00:02:49,687 --> 00:02:51,887 Speaker 6: on there and the whole wide world, men, women, everybody. 64 00:02:52,367 --> 00:02:55,047 Speaker 6: And then there's spokes across the wheel because that's what 65 00:02:55,087 --> 00:02:56,007 Speaker 6: makes it complicated. 66 00:02:56,207 --> 00:03:00,567 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, fun like star science. So when we got 67 00:03:00,607 --> 00:03:03,927 Speaker 2: involved in this in the first place, Jesse diagnosed herself 68 00:03:03,927 --> 00:03:05,447 Speaker 2: and myself as being springs. 69 00:03:05,487 --> 00:03:07,087 Speaker 4: I thought we were the same. And this is why, 70 00:03:07,127 --> 00:03:10,127 Speaker 4: because this is my top line understanding with something about 71 00:03:10,447 --> 00:03:13,647 Speaker 4: light hair, light eyes, fair skin ish. And then I 72 00:03:13,687 --> 00:03:17,047 Speaker 4: thought that Maya was an autumn because she has dark eyes, 73 00:03:17,287 --> 00:03:21,407 Speaker 4: dark hair, and olive skin. There's more to it than that, 74 00:03:21,487 --> 00:03:24,167 Speaker 4: isn't there is? And that's when it gets complicated for me. 75 00:03:24,287 --> 00:03:26,487 Speaker 4: For example, you're a little bit easier to diagnose because 76 00:03:26,487 --> 00:03:29,327 Speaker 4: you're all your three features are warm, so you've got 77 00:03:29,367 --> 00:03:31,967 Speaker 4: warm hair, warm skin, warm eye, same as me, so 78 00:03:32,007 --> 00:03:33,207 Speaker 4: we're warm, warm, warm, so we're. 79 00:03:33,447 --> 00:03:34,407 Speaker 1: Quite down to earth. 80 00:03:34,567 --> 00:03:40,887 Speaker 5: So my colors are quite which I always suspected but 81 00:03:41,007 --> 00:03:43,367 Speaker 5: didn't want to face because I was like, oh, it's 82 00:03:43,407 --> 00:03:48,567 Speaker 5: just like burnt orange and brown beautiful exactly exactly. 83 00:03:48,647 --> 00:03:49,127 Speaker 1: That's the thing. 84 00:03:49,167 --> 00:03:51,127 Speaker 6: We all have kind of preconceived ideas of what that 85 00:03:51,247 --> 00:03:52,247 Speaker 6: season might look like. 86 00:03:52,567 --> 00:03:54,767 Speaker 1: But because colour has had. 87 00:03:54,567 --> 00:03:57,327 Speaker 6: To modernize because the way we wear color now is different, 88 00:03:57,807 --> 00:03:59,567 Speaker 6: the way colour is put into store. So when I 89 00:03:59,647 --> 00:04:01,567 Speaker 6: used to design, it was very much gray based color. 90 00:04:01,847 --> 00:04:03,527 Speaker 6: And most of my clients, when I ask them the 91 00:04:03,527 --> 00:04:06,207 Speaker 6: four main colors that they wear before I meet them, 92 00:04:06,447 --> 00:04:09,007 Speaker 6: they will say black, white, gray, and a bit blue. 93 00:04:09,287 --> 00:04:11,887 Speaker 6: So that's a really easy palette that we've been wearing 94 00:04:11,887 --> 00:04:14,647 Speaker 6: for years, decades, our parents, our grandparents, We see it 95 00:04:14,647 --> 00:04:15,647 Speaker 6: in interiors. 96 00:04:15,287 --> 00:04:16,967 Speaker 3: Right, So you feel like you can't go wrong with 97 00:04:16,967 --> 00:04:19,687 Speaker 3: those colors because they're like non colors exactly. 98 00:04:19,927 --> 00:04:22,487 Speaker 1: But you can go wrong, and you do because none. 99 00:04:22,367 --> 00:04:26,207 Speaker 5: Of those of yours, none of those are a lot. 100 00:04:26,127 --> 00:04:29,247 Speaker 6: Of people exactly exactly. So it's so interesting how we 101 00:04:29,327 --> 00:04:32,567 Speaker 6: don't really think about color. We just buy into a 102 00:04:32,607 --> 00:04:33,887 Speaker 6: palette and we think it's the right thing to do 103 00:04:33,927 --> 00:04:36,527 Speaker 6: because there's loads of black, white, gray, and blue in 104 00:04:36,647 --> 00:04:40,247 Speaker 6: stare like they're neutrals exactly, and they'll go with everything exactly, 105 00:04:40,287 --> 00:04:42,687 Speaker 6: so we'd never really question is this right for me? 106 00:04:42,887 --> 00:04:45,207 Speaker 6: Is this blue right for me? And actually, once we 107 00:04:45,247 --> 00:04:49,327 Speaker 6: start looking at it, it's a whole other fascinating side 108 00:04:49,367 --> 00:04:52,167 Speaker 6: of color because the more you chop into your palette, 109 00:04:52,287 --> 00:04:54,207 Speaker 6: the more your wardrobe is going to work together. 110 00:04:54,967 --> 00:04:57,847 Speaker 2: What about when the universe isn't in agreement with you? 111 00:04:58,007 --> 00:05:00,087 Speaker 2: So you know how, we'll all be told, this is 112 00:05:00,127 --> 00:05:02,727 Speaker 2: the blue everyone's wearing this winter, this is the pink 113 00:05:02,767 --> 00:05:05,647 Speaker 2: everyone's wearing right now, and it's not in your season. 114 00:05:05,807 --> 00:05:06,887 Speaker 1: Leave it, so you just. 115 00:05:06,847 --> 00:05:10,447 Speaker 2: Keep fashionable this season it will be fashionable and I'm 116 00:05:10,487 --> 00:05:11,727 Speaker 2: ever fashionable anyway. 117 00:05:11,927 --> 00:05:14,847 Speaker 3: The best thing about getting my colors done when Kim 118 00:05:14,847 --> 00:05:18,167 Speaker 3: did them and knowing what they are, definitively the way 119 00:05:18,207 --> 00:05:21,207 Speaker 3: I described it is it turns down the noise in 120 00:05:21,327 --> 00:05:26,087 Speaker 3: getting dressed, in making outfits, and in shopping because it 121 00:05:26,127 --> 00:05:29,687 Speaker 3: doesn't mean if there's a color that's not right on you, 122 00:05:29,767 --> 00:05:31,487 Speaker 3: it doesn't mean you have to throw it away or 123 00:05:31,527 --> 00:05:34,047 Speaker 3: you can't wear it. But it explains a lot of 124 00:05:34,047 --> 00:05:36,847 Speaker 3: things in my wardrobe that I don't wear. And I'll 125 00:05:36,847 --> 00:05:39,567 Speaker 3: often go, I don't wear it because it's the wrong style, 126 00:05:39,687 --> 00:05:41,967 Speaker 3: or it's not in fashion, or it's whatever, or I 127 00:05:42,087 --> 00:05:44,407 Speaker 3: just don't vibe with it. But the reason I don't 128 00:05:44,487 --> 00:05:46,127 Speaker 3: vibe with it is that when I put it on, 129 00:05:47,087 --> 00:05:49,607 Speaker 3: it makes my face. Look what if you're wearing the 130 00:05:49,647 --> 00:05:53,047 Speaker 3: wrong color for your season, what does it do to you? 131 00:05:53,207 --> 00:05:54,087 Speaker 1: Just makes you look. 132 00:05:54,167 --> 00:05:56,967 Speaker 6: Can look tired, can look ill For a lot of 133 00:05:56,967 --> 00:06:00,127 Speaker 6: people if they're really cold, like Leely Campbell, if we 134 00:06:00,127 --> 00:06:01,927 Speaker 6: put a yellow based color on here, she's going to 135 00:06:02,007 --> 00:06:04,167 Speaker 6: look really yellow and ill. Right for you, if we 136 00:06:04,167 --> 00:06:06,087 Speaker 6: put gray based color on you, you're going to look 137 00:06:06,087 --> 00:06:06,447 Speaker 6: really ill. 138 00:06:06,567 --> 00:06:08,247 Speaker 3: And you said to me, because I said, I love 139 00:06:08,287 --> 00:06:10,647 Speaker 3: this kind of blue eg very color. And you just 140 00:06:10,687 --> 00:06:14,527 Speaker 3: said to me, sometimes we love a color that doesn't 141 00:06:14,567 --> 00:06:18,567 Speaker 3: love us all the time. 142 00:06:18,687 --> 00:06:21,207 Speaker 4: Everyone knows experience of going to work, going somewhere and 143 00:06:21,207 --> 00:06:24,687 Speaker 4: someone's like, the color looks nice, and you can't explain 144 00:06:24,767 --> 00:06:27,167 Speaker 4: what it is like. Are we're looking for things that 145 00:06:27,367 --> 00:06:32,087 Speaker 4: compliment our skin tone or something that brings it out? Explain? 146 00:06:32,967 --> 00:06:35,567 Speaker 6: We want to remain balanced, That's what we want to do, right. 147 00:06:35,607 --> 00:06:36,927 Speaker 6: We want to look in hard, so we want to 148 00:06:36,967 --> 00:06:38,807 Speaker 6: look like we're a bit rosier cheeked. We want to 149 00:06:38,847 --> 00:06:42,247 Speaker 6: look like we've got to moisturizer exactly because when we 150 00:06:42,247 --> 00:06:43,967 Speaker 6: were in a color that's not right for us. 151 00:06:44,247 --> 00:06:45,647 Speaker 1: You know, when we feel a bit oh. 152 00:06:45,567 --> 00:06:50,007 Speaker 6: I should have put more, I need to change my lipsticks. 153 00:06:50,487 --> 00:06:52,607 Speaker 6: We think about changing ourselves and we don't need to 154 00:06:52,647 --> 00:06:55,487 Speaker 6: change ourselves. Women are always trying to change themselves. And 155 00:06:55,527 --> 00:06:58,007 Speaker 6: a lot of what makes me so passionate about this 156 00:06:58,087 --> 00:07:02,207 Speaker 6: system is that it does explain exactly the reason why 157 00:07:02,247 --> 00:07:03,407 Speaker 6: you're gorgeous as you are. 158 00:07:04,047 --> 00:07:04,807 Speaker 1: Stop changing. 159 00:07:04,927 --> 00:07:07,247 Speaker 2: Stop around about if you dye your hair and you 160 00:07:07,327 --> 00:07:09,287 Speaker 2: mess with your colors, which were you know, and we 161 00:07:09,287 --> 00:07:12,607 Speaker 2: wear musca and wee eyebrows and all that stuff. Am 162 00:07:12,607 --> 00:07:13,767 Speaker 2: I changing my season? 163 00:07:13,847 --> 00:07:14,247 Speaker 1: Yeah? 164 00:07:14,287 --> 00:07:16,207 Speaker 6: Well no, you're not changing your season, but you're not 165 00:07:16,247 --> 00:07:18,287 Speaker 6: complimenting it. So maybe what you're doing, if you're doing 166 00:07:18,287 --> 00:07:21,287 Speaker 6: a radical hair change, which some clients do, you're then 167 00:07:21,327 --> 00:07:25,167 Speaker 6: pushing your spring into maybe a winter or another season. 168 00:07:25,327 --> 00:07:27,647 Speaker 6: So you're starting to fight. So therefore, all the clothes 169 00:07:27,687 --> 00:07:30,487 Speaker 6: that you've enjoyed Holly, like this beautiful turquoise, you're oh, 170 00:07:30,567 --> 00:07:31,607 Speaker 6: it's not doing what it used to do. 171 00:07:31,687 --> 00:07:34,207 Speaker 3: So if Holly, who is naturally blonde, like yeah, completely 172 00:07:34,327 --> 00:07:37,807 Speaker 3: naturally blonde, if she then went dark brown, they. 173 00:07:37,767 --> 00:07:39,887 Speaker 2: Would flatten you fuck with her color season? 174 00:07:40,407 --> 00:07:42,847 Speaker 3: What if like, I don't even know what color I 175 00:07:42,847 --> 00:07:45,687 Speaker 3: am anymore, probably mousey brown, and I've gone a bit 176 00:07:45,807 --> 00:07:49,327 Speaker 3: brondy gorgeous, But what would be bad? 177 00:07:50,247 --> 00:07:52,487 Speaker 6: And I say we because we're warm and autumn, so 178 00:07:52,487 --> 00:07:54,687 Speaker 6: if we go gray, we don't know it good. 179 00:07:54,807 --> 00:07:55,447 Speaker 1: There's a good reason. 180 00:07:55,487 --> 00:07:58,327 Speaker 2: Look, so you know some so when we see beauty 181 00:07:58,367 --> 00:08:01,047 Speaker 2: women like who look amazing gray, it's more to do 182 00:08:01,127 --> 00:08:01,967 Speaker 2: with their colors than. 183 00:08:01,887 --> 00:08:05,567 Speaker 6: It is because they're and they look amazing. So all 184 00:08:05,607 --> 00:08:08,767 Speaker 6: my warmer clients, I will say, and I very rarely 185 00:08:08,767 --> 00:08:10,407 Speaker 6: say this to people, to try a bit harder to 186 00:08:10,487 --> 00:08:13,367 Speaker 6: keep their color. But I will tell them keep your color, 187 00:08:13,447 --> 00:08:16,207 Speaker 6: keep your warmth naturally, because if you've got you know, 188 00:08:16,247 --> 00:08:18,647 Speaker 6: a warm hair, warm skin, warm eye, and suddenly one 189 00:08:18,647 --> 00:08:22,967 Speaker 6: of the components your hair goes very cold, you grown 190 00:08:23,407 --> 00:08:27,167 Speaker 6: cold cold, You've thrown out your and then they don't 191 00:08:27,167 --> 00:08:30,367 Speaker 6: feel very good about themselves. So the reason, yeah, it's 192 00:08:30,367 --> 00:08:32,287 Speaker 6: a cold and a cool person looks gray. I'm like, 193 00:08:32,407 --> 00:08:34,447 Speaker 6: let's go and embrace it. You look amazing. Let's just 194 00:08:34,447 --> 00:08:36,087 Speaker 6: make a couple of tweaks to your makeup or whatever 195 00:08:36,127 --> 00:08:38,527 Speaker 6: it might be. But my warmer toned people are like, 196 00:08:38,847 --> 00:08:41,767 Speaker 6: stay with me. Let's just keep going and masking the 197 00:08:41,807 --> 00:08:44,767 Speaker 6: gray because we're going to look better for longer. 198 00:08:45,047 --> 00:08:48,407 Speaker 4: So Holly and I we're both fairy and we're both blonde, 199 00:08:48,407 --> 00:08:50,767 Speaker 4: so on the surface we look like we might be 200 00:08:50,807 --> 00:08:52,087 Speaker 4: part of the same savesand but we're not. 201 00:08:52,287 --> 00:08:55,447 Speaker 6: No, because you're cooler, Jessie, Yeah, and Holly's warmer. 202 00:08:55,727 --> 00:08:57,447 Speaker 2: So I'm a your. 203 00:08:57,327 --> 00:09:01,967 Speaker 6: Spring slash light spring spring on your summer slash light summer, okay. 204 00:09:01,807 --> 00:09:04,367 Speaker 4: And so for your cooler colours, work on me. 205 00:09:04,687 --> 00:09:07,647 Speaker 6: So more blue based color and more more pink than peach. 206 00:09:07,807 --> 00:09:10,967 Speaker 3: So even though you would think summer sounds like a 207 00:09:11,007 --> 00:09:13,407 Speaker 3: warm season. The colors. 208 00:09:13,247 --> 00:09:16,567 Speaker 2: It's not that this is very complicated. It's why you 209 00:09:16,607 --> 00:09:16,927 Speaker 2: have to. 210 00:09:16,887 --> 00:09:18,687 Speaker 4: Look at it. 211 00:09:18,927 --> 00:09:19,167 Speaker 5: White. 212 00:09:19,207 --> 00:09:21,567 Speaker 3: Podcasting is possibly not the best medium for this. 213 00:09:21,647 --> 00:09:24,247 Speaker 4: I have a question, is there any color that suits everyone? 214 00:09:24,487 --> 00:09:27,647 Speaker 6: There's actually a few, So a burgundy and a kind 215 00:09:27,647 --> 00:09:30,967 Speaker 6: of mid navy is generally really good, and a pine 216 00:09:30,967 --> 00:09:35,167 Speaker 6: green and an off white, so they're generally gonna look 217 00:09:35,207 --> 00:09:37,527 Speaker 6: good on pretty much every person, which is why I 218 00:09:37,607 --> 00:09:39,967 Speaker 6: used to design with a lot of those colors. And 219 00:09:40,007 --> 00:09:43,327 Speaker 6: it's only now twenty odd years later I'm going, oh, 220 00:09:43,487 --> 00:09:44,927 Speaker 6: so that's why they sold. 221 00:09:44,687 --> 00:09:47,607 Speaker 3: More than black. Whereas everyone thinks, oh, black suits everyone, 222 00:09:47,687 --> 00:09:48,127 Speaker 3: it doesn't. 223 00:09:48,127 --> 00:09:49,847 Speaker 6: But black no one ever thinks about it. So only 224 00:09:49,847 --> 00:09:51,687 Speaker 6: when we put a color on our body that isn't 225 00:09:51,687 --> 00:09:53,887 Speaker 6: black or white or gray that we start to question it. 226 00:09:53,927 --> 00:09:56,487 Speaker 6: And I'm like, it's hilarious how we haven't questioned all 227 00:09:56,487 --> 00:09:58,847 Speaker 6: the wrong colors. We often then question the right colors. 228 00:09:59,967 --> 00:10:06,327 Speaker 3: I want to ask about sequence. Obviously I have gone 229 00:10:06,327 --> 00:10:10,927 Speaker 3: off seating, but I'm interested to know where a saquin. 230 00:10:10,647 --> 00:10:15,847 Speaker 4: Fits in in your colors. So bronze gold not cold 231 00:10:15,847 --> 00:10:20,207 Speaker 4: sacred print, can may wear leopard absolutely mere looks amazing. 232 00:10:20,287 --> 00:10:24,247 Speaker 4: Leopard warm, you're better in your tall you know the 233 00:10:24,247 --> 00:10:25,807 Speaker 4: brown that I put on you, which would be a 234 00:10:25,807 --> 00:10:27,727 Speaker 4: photo of that brown for you, which is a bit 235 00:10:27,807 --> 00:10:28,607 Speaker 4: softer and more pressy. 236 00:10:28,727 --> 00:10:29,487 Speaker 1: That's your leopard. 237 00:10:29,887 --> 00:10:30,967 Speaker 4: Okay. 238 00:10:31,247 --> 00:10:34,047 Speaker 2: Now this extends to jewelry too, right, whether you're a 239 00:10:34,127 --> 00:10:37,047 Speaker 2: gold or a silver person. So is there a rule 240 00:10:37,167 --> 00:10:39,967 Speaker 2: like summer is gold and winter is silver? Like what's 241 00:10:40,007 --> 00:10:40,327 Speaker 2: the rule? 242 00:10:40,407 --> 00:10:43,607 Speaker 6: So spring and autumn, which are more warm, are more gold, 243 00:10:44,167 --> 00:10:46,087 Speaker 6: and then your summer and your winter are more silver. 244 00:10:46,567 --> 00:10:48,887 Speaker 6: So when I say silver, it's umbrella ing white gold, 245 00:10:49,007 --> 00:10:52,367 Speaker 6: platinum silver. But Jesse, because you're a bit of light 246 00:10:52,567 --> 00:10:54,127 Speaker 6: summer as well, you can actually do a little bit 247 00:10:54,167 --> 00:10:56,567 Speaker 6: of pale gold. It really looks nice because you've got 248 00:10:56,567 --> 00:10:58,887 Speaker 6: a bit of gold in your eye. So your cool skin, 249 00:10:59,167 --> 00:11:01,367 Speaker 6: cool hair, a little bit of warmth in your eye. 250 00:11:01,407 --> 00:11:02,807 Speaker 6: So that's where you can go a little bit warm 251 00:11:02,847 --> 00:11:03,567 Speaker 6: with your metals. 252 00:11:03,647 --> 00:11:06,567 Speaker 4: There's a trend on TikTok discovered a lot of another 253 00:11:06,607 --> 00:11:10,287 Speaker 4: one which is about going back to your roots. 254 00:11:10,367 --> 00:11:10,567 Speaker 5: Right. 255 00:11:10,687 --> 00:11:13,407 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're a lot of people, especially blondes, who have 256 00:11:13,527 --> 00:11:16,887 Speaker 4: gone my true color season says that I should be 257 00:11:17,047 --> 00:11:20,567 Speaker 4: a dark brown or whatever. Yeah, would you encourage people 258 00:11:20,607 --> 00:11:23,127 Speaker 4: who feel like that it's not really working to kind 259 00:11:23,167 --> 00:11:25,407 Speaker 4: of look back at what their natural coloring is. 260 00:11:25,447 --> 00:11:28,287 Speaker 6: Absolutely, I often say to people, go back to what 261 00:11:28,287 --> 00:11:31,047 Speaker 6: you are. So what's really interesting When I'm analyzing people 262 00:11:31,167 --> 00:11:32,647 Speaker 6: and they're coming to me, I look at the roots 263 00:11:32,687 --> 00:11:34,367 Speaker 6: of their hair is often underneath at the back where 264 00:11:34,367 --> 00:11:37,527 Speaker 6: we don't always color, and then I literally pull the. 265 00:11:37,287 --> 00:11:39,527 Speaker 1: Ends of their hair to their roots. 266 00:11:39,287 --> 00:11:42,407 Speaker 6: Right, And often it's like a to Z, yes, right, 267 00:11:42,527 --> 00:11:44,887 Speaker 6: And what I'm saying is yeah, and we almost want 268 00:11:44,927 --> 00:11:46,847 Speaker 6: D E and F in the middle, if that makes sense, 269 00:11:47,287 --> 00:11:49,927 Speaker 6: because we're going from one extreme on the ends to 270 00:11:50,167 --> 00:11:52,607 Speaker 6: from our natural and really what we're born with. We 271 00:11:52,647 --> 00:11:54,807 Speaker 6: only really want to go two shade stark or lighter 272 00:11:54,847 --> 00:11:57,767 Speaker 6: ideally with our hair interesting from a colour's point of 273 00:11:57,847 --> 00:11:59,687 Speaker 6: view as well. But obviously a lot of hairdressers want 274 00:11:59,727 --> 00:12:02,767 Speaker 6: to lock you into going extreme, one because they think 275 00:12:02,807 --> 00:12:04,967 Speaker 6: that's going to make you happy, but two because you'll 276 00:12:05,007 --> 00:12:06,007 Speaker 6: be revisiting them a lot. 277 00:12:06,047 --> 00:12:06,767 Speaker 2: I have to keep going. 278 00:12:07,087 --> 00:12:09,007 Speaker 6: But where you suggest it's one of the hardest. In 279 00:12:09,047 --> 00:12:11,607 Speaker 6: your color is beautiful because you have tones of warm 280 00:12:11,727 --> 00:12:13,007 Speaker 6: and cool blonde. 281 00:12:12,647 --> 00:12:15,367 Speaker 1: Which that's terfect for you. And I often. 282 00:12:15,087 --> 00:12:17,447 Speaker 6: See people who sit where you sit go very white 283 00:12:17,447 --> 00:12:20,927 Speaker 6: bond because it's easier for hairdressers to do that rather 284 00:12:21,007 --> 00:12:23,807 Speaker 6: than get a very particular. 285 00:12:23,447 --> 00:12:27,127 Speaker 4: Because Malfoy and I also used to get They used 286 00:12:27,167 --> 00:12:28,807 Speaker 4: to want me to go ashy, and I didn't like 287 00:12:28,887 --> 00:12:31,567 Speaker 4: ash ash used to make me look sick. It used 288 00:12:31,607 --> 00:12:33,727 Speaker 4: to and I used to have to try and explain 289 00:12:33,767 --> 00:12:35,967 Speaker 4: the tone of bland, not the color, but the exact 290 00:12:36,007 --> 00:12:37,327 Speaker 4: tone different. 291 00:12:37,447 --> 00:12:40,447 Speaker 3: You've got quite good color, beautiful except for the black 292 00:12:40,527 --> 00:12:43,287 Speaker 3: you wear around your eyes, because as Kim was explaining 293 00:12:43,327 --> 00:12:46,287 Speaker 3: to us, but I think my instincts are good as well, 294 00:12:46,327 --> 00:12:48,607 Speaker 3: because I've always said I feel like it's too harsh 295 00:12:48,767 --> 00:12:51,007 Speaker 3: on your eyes, and I was correct, And look. 296 00:12:50,807 --> 00:12:54,607 Speaker 4: I've been better lately, but then today I did default. 297 00:12:54,647 --> 00:12:58,087 Speaker 6: But Jesse, also, remember you could go softer in the colors, 298 00:12:58,167 --> 00:13:00,887 Speaker 6: a bit more navy, a bit more olive, cocky, et cetera, 299 00:13:01,167 --> 00:13:01,967 Speaker 6: rather than black. 300 00:13:02,327 --> 00:13:03,167 Speaker 4: Yeah, but you can. 301 00:13:03,047 --> 00:13:05,487 Speaker 6: Also go softer, as in more of a powder as 302 00:13:05,527 --> 00:13:06,327 Speaker 6: opposed to a line. 303 00:13:06,527 --> 00:13:07,327 Speaker 1: Okay, does that mean. 304 00:13:07,247 --> 00:13:08,167 Speaker 4: How about a brown? 305 00:13:09,687 --> 00:13:11,607 Speaker 6: No more of a green, more of a green, more 306 00:13:11,607 --> 00:13:12,447 Speaker 6: of a green or a navy. 307 00:13:12,647 --> 00:13:16,127 Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it on Wednesday. I'll wear a green brown. 308 00:13:16,287 --> 00:13:18,807 Speaker 1: Light brown is good but not chocolate. It's too dark 309 00:13:18,847 --> 00:13:19,407 Speaker 1: and masculine. 310 00:13:19,607 --> 00:13:22,967 Speaker 4: It look like a lightly brown Yeah, okay. 311 00:13:21,367 --> 00:13:24,647 Speaker 2: I curse him like an icy dead people cursed. Do 312 00:13:24,687 --> 00:13:26,407 Speaker 2: you'd walk around all the time just looking at people 313 00:13:26,407 --> 00:13:28,767 Speaker 2: and going you're wearing all the wrong things. I want 314 00:13:28,767 --> 00:13:30,287 Speaker 2: to tap them on the shoulder and the lift and 315 00:13:30,327 --> 00:13:33,007 Speaker 2: just be like dah, not that yellow. No, no no. 316 00:13:33,087 --> 00:13:35,127 Speaker 6: If they're not asking my opinion, I'll try and keep 317 00:13:35,127 --> 00:13:37,287 Speaker 6: my mouth closed. But I have run after people before 318 00:13:37,287 --> 00:13:38,367 Speaker 6: I've got. 319 00:13:39,447 --> 00:13:41,367 Speaker 3: I saw someone when I went from my mammogram the 320 00:13:41,367 --> 00:13:43,007 Speaker 3: other day that was wearing the wrong color, and I 321 00:13:43,007 --> 00:13:46,167 Speaker 3: wanted to tap her on the shoulder, and but I figured, 322 00:13:46,207 --> 00:13:50,487 Speaker 3: you know, no one's having their best day. Probably didn't 323 00:13:50,527 --> 00:13:50,847 Speaker 3: need that. 324 00:13:51,327 --> 00:13:52,087 Speaker 4: Me wrong as well? 325 00:13:52,207 --> 00:13:54,087 Speaker 2: You run after someone once, you said. 326 00:13:53,927 --> 00:13:55,927 Speaker 6: And well, I often run after people when they're wearing 327 00:13:55,927 --> 00:13:58,647 Speaker 6: the right color and go, oh, my god, that color 328 00:13:58,687 --> 00:14:01,047 Speaker 6: looks amazing on you. Because often people say, oh, that 329 00:14:01,087 --> 00:14:03,287 Speaker 6: looks great on you. My clients go oh, but hang, 330 00:14:03,327 --> 00:14:04,807 Speaker 6: and I've been told this pink looks amazing on you. 331 00:14:05,087 --> 00:14:06,727 Speaker 6: But did they say it looks amazing when you do? 332 00:14:06,807 --> 00:14:07,487 Speaker 1: They like the color? 333 00:14:07,807 --> 00:14:10,967 Speaker 3: Yes, I noticed a different. So last week I bought 334 00:14:10,967 --> 00:14:13,167 Speaker 3: a shirt in a color that I wouldn't have normally. 335 00:14:13,207 --> 00:14:16,807 Speaker 3: It was like a light terror cottery color, and I 336 00:14:16,847 --> 00:14:19,607 Speaker 3: did an insta bubble. My Instagram was full of comments like, 337 00:14:19,607 --> 00:14:22,167 Speaker 3: almost every single one that color looks amazing on you. 338 00:14:22,327 --> 00:14:25,207 Speaker 3: Ye other times, if I'm wearing a really bright, vibrant color, 339 00:14:25,247 --> 00:14:27,807 Speaker 3: they might say I love that color. But it was 340 00:14:27,927 --> 00:14:30,687 Speaker 3: very interesting that they all said the same thing because 341 00:14:30,687 --> 00:14:35,407 Speaker 3: the color amazing wasn't that interesting. It enhanced beauty. 342 00:14:37,287 --> 00:14:40,487 Speaker 1: That's what's really interesting. 343 00:14:41,487 --> 00:14:44,127 Speaker 6: A lot of a lot of my clients don't particularly, 344 00:14:44,127 --> 00:14:46,007 Speaker 6: so when I'm doing, you know, a shop for them, 345 00:14:46,007 --> 00:14:47,687 Speaker 6: I'll pre shop for them, right, so I get all 346 00:14:47,727 --> 00:14:50,087 Speaker 6: their colors and shapes and styles and outfit them all 347 00:14:50,087 --> 00:14:52,007 Speaker 6: for them and show them how their palette interacts, right, 348 00:14:52,007 --> 00:14:54,327 Speaker 6: because that's really the genius part of this whole system, 349 00:14:54,367 --> 00:14:56,687 Speaker 6: how well it interacts. And a lot of the time 350 00:14:56,727 --> 00:14:58,767 Speaker 6: my clients are like, oh, this color's okay, all right, 351 00:14:58,807 --> 00:15:00,807 Speaker 6: I'll try it on Oh my god, I love it 352 00:15:00,807 --> 00:15:02,967 Speaker 6: on me, okay, And they're like, what have you done 353 00:15:03,007 --> 00:15:03,767 Speaker 6: this witchcraft? 354 00:15:03,767 --> 00:15:05,127 Speaker 1: I think the girls said it last. 355 00:15:04,927 --> 00:15:06,527 Speaker 6: Week when I was in and it was hilarious, like 356 00:15:06,567 --> 00:15:08,527 Speaker 6: I was putting a spell on them or something. And 357 00:15:08,407 --> 00:15:11,367 Speaker 6: because I've never picked that before exactly because you're like, oh, 358 00:15:11,607 --> 00:15:12,247 Speaker 6: you know, we don't know. 359 00:15:12,247 --> 00:15:14,007 Speaker 1: How are we meant to know? Like we never learn 360 00:15:14,087 --> 00:15:15,607 Speaker 1: how to dress ourselves. And that's why I think it 361 00:15:15,607 --> 00:15:16,127 Speaker 1: is the truth. 362 00:15:16,167 --> 00:15:18,287 Speaker 3: I should be taught in schools. 363 00:15:17,767 --> 00:15:23,727 Speaker 2: It should be like English, right, like I and trying 364 00:15:23,727 --> 00:15:25,607 Speaker 2: to wean myself off it because if I walk into 365 00:15:25,647 --> 00:15:28,527 Speaker 2: a shop, I just will gravitate to the blue rack, right, 366 00:15:28,927 --> 00:15:31,287 Speaker 2: I have so many blue tops and so many blue 367 00:15:31,367 --> 00:15:34,247 Speaker 2: whatever did I know? I just knew that was the 368 00:15:34,327 --> 00:15:34,767 Speaker 2: right thing. 369 00:15:34,887 --> 00:15:37,327 Speaker 1: Like it was because it makes you feel good, So 370 00:15:37,367 --> 00:15:37,967 Speaker 1: you should. 371 00:15:37,807 --> 00:15:39,487 Speaker 2: Feel good in the colors. 372 00:15:39,607 --> 00:15:42,207 Speaker 6: Absolutely, that's the difference, because I can make people look 373 00:15:42,247 --> 00:15:44,807 Speaker 6: better instantly, but it's the feeling better part. That's the 374 00:15:44,807 --> 00:15:46,647 Speaker 6: bit that I care about most. I want to feel 375 00:15:46,847 --> 00:15:48,207 Speaker 6: better in your clothes. 376 00:15:49,287 --> 00:15:51,567 Speaker 4: I have a question. Okay, you're at home, you're thinking 377 00:15:51,607 --> 00:15:54,487 Speaker 4: about your colors, as I often do. Yeah, where do 378 00:15:54,487 --> 00:15:57,127 Speaker 4: people start? So someone's listening and they're going, oh wait, 379 00:15:57,247 --> 00:16:00,847 Speaker 4: I have blue eyes and brown hair and dark skin. 380 00:16:01,207 --> 00:16:03,887 Speaker 4: I have absolutely no idea where do they start? 381 00:16:03,967 --> 00:16:06,087 Speaker 6: So we've done a little checklist, actually from the Nothing 382 00:16:06,087 --> 00:16:08,327 Speaker 6: to Wear podcasts I did. We've done a little checklist 383 00:16:08,367 --> 00:16:10,007 Speaker 6: for you. Pupping that Togey. 384 00:16:10,087 --> 00:16:11,967 Speaker 3: They've got a whole lot of because you can imagine 385 00:16:11,967 --> 00:16:14,607 Speaker 3: how I've sessed I've been, so she's hyper focused. I've 386 00:16:14,687 --> 00:16:17,327 Speaker 3: hyper focused on this. So we've put a whole hub 387 00:16:17,407 --> 00:16:20,327 Speaker 3: of content where you can work out what your color is, 388 00:16:20,687 --> 00:16:23,167 Speaker 3: find the best colors for you. And of course if 389 00:16:23,167 --> 00:16:24,807 Speaker 3: people want to find you, they need to look up 390 00:16:24,847 --> 00:16:25,807 Speaker 3: style sense. 391 00:16:25,607 --> 00:16:28,167 Speaker 6: Yes, style sense dot net dot au or look at 392 00:16:28,167 --> 00:16:30,607 Speaker 6: my insta. I've got loads of examples on there as well, 393 00:16:30,647 --> 00:16:31,527 Speaker 6: style dot Sense. 394 00:16:31,807 --> 00:16:34,207 Speaker 1: And you can then see people that hopefully will look 395 00:16:34,247 --> 00:16:34,887 Speaker 1: like you because. 396 00:16:34,647 --> 00:16:37,447 Speaker 6: Hopefully now both of you, Holly and Jesse, now you're 397 00:16:37,767 --> 00:16:39,767 Speaker 6: next to each other, right and we've done a little 398 00:16:39,767 --> 00:16:42,127 Speaker 6: bit of color work, hopefully you can see what's unique 399 00:16:42,167 --> 00:16:45,327 Speaker 6: about you rather than bundling you together. Does that make sense? 400 00:16:45,327 --> 00:16:47,287 Speaker 4: Because now I can go on to Pinterest and look 401 00:16:47,367 --> 00:16:49,687 Speaker 4: up like summer. Yeah, will give me because now I 402 00:16:49,687 --> 00:16:50,367 Speaker 4: know what to google. 403 00:16:50,527 --> 00:16:52,687 Speaker 3: And what I've done is I've printed out my best 404 00:16:52,687 --> 00:16:55,127 Speaker 3: colors but also my worst colors, and I've put them 405 00:16:55,527 --> 00:16:56,607 Speaker 3: stuck them on my mirror. 406 00:16:56,687 --> 00:16:58,927 Speaker 2: You need them, mer Wallet, Yes you don't have. 407 00:16:59,967 --> 00:17:01,847 Speaker 3: Because I don't. But if only you could take a 408 00:17:01,847 --> 00:17:04,207 Speaker 3: photo and have it on your phone. I'll imagine that. 409 00:17:04,647 --> 00:17:07,527 Speaker 3: I find it's so helpful to be reminded of what 410 00:17:07,527 --> 00:17:08,487 Speaker 3: my worst colors are. 411 00:17:08,727 --> 00:17:10,007 Speaker 1: Yes, you're away from them. 412 00:17:10,167 --> 00:17:10,967 Speaker 3: I have one more question. 413 00:17:11,087 --> 00:17:14,927 Speaker 1: Fluoro is really hard, hard, cold. 414 00:17:16,327 --> 00:17:16,527 Speaker 5: Cold. 415 00:17:16,607 --> 00:17:18,047 Speaker 4: Can anyone wear them? 416 00:17:18,087 --> 00:17:19,927 Speaker 1: They are very, very, very very hard. 417 00:17:20,207 --> 00:17:23,407 Speaker 2: So probably there's a question though about that that might 418 00:17:23,447 --> 00:17:26,687 Speaker 2: allow one to wear Floro? Are we really mostly talking 419 00:17:26,687 --> 00:17:28,767 Speaker 2: about the colors you wear near your face? What about 420 00:17:28,807 --> 00:17:29,767 Speaker 2: things you want on your body? 421 00:17:29,927 --> 00:17:33,167 Speaker 6: Are talking about every single thing you put on your body? 422 00:17:33,927 --> 00:17:36,247 Speaker 6: Every single thing? Because I've had clients that I don't 423 00:17:36,287 --> 00:17:37,887 Speaker 6: have pretty feet and I'm like, no, no, you've got 424 00:17:37,927 --> 00:17:40,127 Speaker 6: great feet. You just need to change your nail varnish 425 00:17:40,167 --> 00:17:41,247 Speaker 6: color and your shoe color. 426 00:17:41,647 --> 00:17:45,607 Speaker 2: And then they're like, oh my god, wear So you 427 00:17:45,647 --> 00:17:47,927 Speaker 2: can't wear Floro pants with your navy. 428 00:17:47,687 --> 00:17:51,687 Speaker 6: Top if you really love because I'm not ever going 429 00:17:51,687 --> 00:17:54,447 Speaker 6: to say you cannot ever wear a color. That's not 430 00:17:54,567 --> 00:17:56,407 Speaker 6: That's not the way I teach. The way I teach 431 00:17:56,607 --> 00:17:58,767 Speaker 6: is the more you shop into your palette, the better 432 00:17:58,767 --> 00:18:00,967 Speaker 6: you're going to feel. The less clothes you have to own, 433 00:18:01,007 --> 00:18:03,887 Speaker 6: the less money you spend, the less thinking you'll have 434 00:18:03,967 --> 00:18:06,527 Speaker 6: to do, the less waste it's just brilliant and want 435 00:18:06,727 --> 00:18:10,887 Speaker 6: the clarity that you get from being able to shop right. 436 00:18:10,927 --> 00:18:12,367 Speaker 6: And a shop is listening and goes, oh, can you 437 00:18:12,367 --> 00:18:14,607 Speaker 6: should try on this lovely yellow? No, no, lemon yellow is 438 00:18:14,647 --> 00:18:16,407 Speaker 6: not go for me. Can you show me the mustard? 439 00:18:16,727 --> 00:18:19,047 Speaker 6: I can converse with her to get me to the 440 00:18:19,047 --> 00:18:21,567 Speaker 6: point where I'm going to make a purchase quicker, smarter. 441 00:18:21,927 --> 00:18:24,807 Speaker 6: I take that home, that mustard garment, and I'm like, oh, 442 00:18:24,887 --> 00:18:25,247 Speaker 6: can I. 443 00:18:25,207 --> 00:18:25,927 Speaker 1: Make three outfits? 444 00:18:25,967 --> 00:18:26,047 Speaker 3: Oh? 445 00:18:26,127 --> 00:18:27,607 Speaker 1: I can make thirteen or. 446 00:18:27,447 --> 00:18:30,087 Speaker 2: Thirty because it works with your power, works with everything. 447 00:18:30,207 --> 00:18:33,367 Speaker 6: And that's the quantifying this where I've seen clients before 448 00:18:33,407 --> 00:18:34,647 Speaker 6: and they're like, no, I'm going to skip the color 449 00:18:34,647 --> 00:18:37,247 Speaker 6: analysis part. Cour We'll just outfit your wardrobe because that's 450 00:18:37,247 --> 00:18:39,127 Speaker 6: the other part of what I do. So literally pull 451 00:18:39,127 --> 00:18:41,287 Speaker 6: ou their wardrobe out and we start to outfit all 452 00:18:41,287 --> 00:18:43,647 Speaker 6: in brand new outfits right, things they've never thought about. 453 00:18:43,767 --> 00:18:46,527 Speaker 6: We create maybe thirty to forty new outfits if they 454 00:18:46,567 --> 00:18:49,927 Speaker 6: haven't had a color analysis. When they've done a color analysis, 455 00:18:49,967 --> 00:18:53,687 Speaker 6: it's about ninety wow, ninety brand new outfits. So if 456 00:18:53,727 --> 00:18:57,167 Speaker 6: you don't think this works, yeah, think again. It is 457 00:18:57,287 --> 00:18:59,927 Speaker 6: so amazing, And that's why so many of my clients 458 00:18:59,967 --> 00:19:02,927 Speaker 6: are so passionate about this color system as I am. 459 00:19:03,327 --> 00:19:06,047 Speaker 3: I can say that suddenly, like that shirt that I 460 00:19:06,167 --> 00:19:09,847 Speaker 3: bought in that sort of coralie terracotta color, Suddenly it's 461 00:19:09,887 --> 00:19:13,367 Speaker 3: pulled together so many things in my wardrobe. It's so interesting. 462 00:19:13,487 --> 00:19:16,767 Speaker 4: And I need rules because I'm not intuitive about fashion, 463 00:19:16,847 --> 00:19:18,807 Speaker 4: and I really struggle with it, and I want to 464 00:19:18,847 --> 00:19:20,807 Speaker 4: think about it less. And I want to know when 465 00:19:20,807 --> 00:19:24,087 Speaker 4: I'm looking online because. 466 00:19:23,887 --> 00:19:26,127 Speaker 2: You never know whether what you're looking at online is 467 00:19:26,407 --> 00:19:26,807 Speaker 2: like color. 468 00:19:27,047 --> 00:19:29,447 Speaker 4: But even walking into shops, I just go, oh, obviously, 469 00:19:29,527 --> 00:19:31,087 Speaker 4: got try it on for the size. But I'm like, 470 00:19:31,127 --> 00:19:33,207 Speaker 4: I'm starting from zero every time, I'll. 471 00:19:33,127 --> 00:19:34,687 Speaker 1: Exactly so what we want to do. 472 00:19:34,687 --> 00:19:36,287 Speaker 6: We want to go into store and you go, oh, no, 473 00:19:36,407 --> 00:19:38,767 Speaker 6: that pink's a bit too much, here's my pink. And 474 00:19:38,807 --> 00:19:41,287 Speaker 6: then you shop into shape, right, so you go you 475 00:19:41,327 --> 00:19:43,407 Speaker 6: can see your colors, and then it's shape second. 476 00:19:43,407 --> 00:19:44,927 Speaker 1: Because once you've taken the risk of. 477 00:19:44,927 --> 00:19:47,967 Speaker 6: Color out, all you've got to then do is figure 478 00:19:47,967 --> 00:19:49,087 Speaker 6: out do I like the shape? 479 00:19:49,127 --> 00:19:50,247 Speaker 1: Is it the right? Do I need to go down 480 00:19:50,287 --> 00:19:53,047 Speaker 1: a size? Probably? And all those things. The risk of 481 00:19:53,127 --> 00:19:53,927 Speaker 1: color is. 482 00:19:53,927 --> 00:19:56,927 Speaker 6: Taken out, so you're shopping, you get to where you 483 00:19:57,007 --> 00:19:59,087 Speaker 6: need to get so much quicker, because not everything is 484 00:19:59,127 --> 00:20:01,407 Speaker 6: meant for you. And when I realized that about my 485 00:20:01,487 --> 00:20:04,207 Speaker 6: own so much, it was like, oh, I'm. 486 00:20:04,047 --> 00:20:05,967 Speaker 1: Not trying to fight with black and silk. 487 00:20:07,607 --> 00:20:12,207 Speaker 2: Yes, life changing clearly and also out loud. As we're 488 00:20:12,247 --> 00:20:14,807 Speaker 2: wearing the colors we're meant to be wearing right now. Yes, 489 00:20:15,967 --> 00:20:18,647 Speaker 2: she's wearing all of them and wants a bit just 490 00:20:18,687 --> 00:20:21,607 Speaker 2: on the spring. I'm the only this is the right 491 00:20:21,647 --> 00:20:22,127 Speaker 2: blue for me. 492 00:20:22,167 --> 00:20:23,927 Speaker 4: Apparently this is the right one for me. 493 00:20:24,087 --> 00:20:26,807 Speaker 2: Those are Jesse's colors, So thank you, Kim. Of course 494 00:20:26,847 --> 00:20:28,967 Speaker 2: you're wearing your color looks bloody lovely. 495 00:20:29,247 --> 00:20:31,367 Speaker 6: I do go off palette sometimes, but very rarely. 496 00:20:32,087 --> 00:20:34,487 Speaker 2: Check our show notes for all the links.