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Speaker 1: got me through the pandemic financially was that I do

440
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: so many things. So a lot of them fell away,

441
00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: like a lot of them disappeared, and it was incredibly

442
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: stressful and heartbreaking. But at the same time I had

443
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: a couple of things I could still do, like that's

444
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: when I wrote the first book, was that the second

445
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: lockdown Because I often have people go, when are you

446
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: going to choose? Or they'll say polymath and all these

447
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: kind of I guess everyone wants to label how we live.

448
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: Our life has to be a particular way. But I

449
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: think we all have to become polymaths. I think we

450
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: all have to become embrace all of our skills. And

451
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 1: if we are that way in clinent because some people

452
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 1: do know what they want to do, they get really clear,

453
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: really young, and there is very well laid out path.

454
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: But I think we're seeing in recent years that even

455
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: when that happens, imagine I think about all these poor

456
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: students who got through law school just before the age

457
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: where we're now going into AI and what AI is doing,

458
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: and how much of it is they can put through

459
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: computers now. And that's just one industry, but so many

460
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 1: industries are changing and we have to I think we

461
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: have to be on our toes. And I'm in my forties,

462
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: but I plan on working for the rest of my days.

463
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 1: I want to be stimulated, I want to be engaged

464
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: in the world. I want to learn, keep learning and

465
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: growing and contributing to whatever conversations people are willing to have,

466
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, so there's a part of me that just goes.

467
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: I think it's the way forward. I think we all

468
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 1: have to become a little more open to that, and

469
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: as you say, be okay with becoming a beginner again

470
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 1: and again and again and going instead of seeing it

471
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: as like, oh, I have to start again. And I'm

472
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: saying this as someone who has felt that deeply so

473
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 1: many times, like, I can't believe I'm at this point

474
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: in my life when I've worked so hard and I've

475
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: been such a good person, and I've.

476
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 3: Done all the right things.

477
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: I've done all the right things. Why is it my turn?

478
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: Or when is it going to be my turn? And

479
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,399
Speaker 1: the reality is it's just not way life works.

480
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 2: And you make it your turn, right. I think we

481
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: often wait for things. In the episode before this, we

482
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 2: talked a lot about how when you work really hard

483
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 2: and you do the right thing and you make good decisions,

484
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: you kind of wait for someone out there to go, oh,

485
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: I recognize that here is the thing you deserve, and

486
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 2: unfortunately you can get it, but you have to reach

487
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 2: out first and grab it, and you can you know,

488
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 2: get the silver plate with all the beautiful things on it,

489
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 2: but no one's going to just give it to you

490
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 2: one day.

491
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 3: You have to really go out and look for them.

492
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 1: And I think humility is such a great place to

493
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: create from. I think when we're humbled and we don't

494
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: know everything, there's often magic in that and even in

495
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: everything I do. And I was reflecting on it the

496
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: other day about the book, like people go, oh my god,

497
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: you write your book so fast. Part of it is

498
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: having a deadline, for sure.

499
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 3: I had no choice, guys.

500
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, well but I did have a choice, because there's

501
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 1: always a choice, and I could have said no, and

502
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: I could have pushed back. But part of it is

503
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: I think it's just the way that I work. And

504
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: I know that neither of the books are perfect. None

505
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: of the plays that I've written are perfect, none of

506
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: the articles I've written are perfect, but I get them done,

507
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: and there's something in the energy of going, let's just

508
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: keep creating and see what happens. And yes, it's imperfect

509
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: and it's messy, and every sentence is not going to

510
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: be perfect, but it will resonate with the right people,

511
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: and it will start a conversation with whoever needs to

512
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: hear that conversation, and it's okay for us to not

513
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: be the best at everything. Because I also think there's

514
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: this obsession now with I want to make impact, especially

515
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: for young people. I want to make impact, and I'm like,

516
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: what does that mean?

517
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: Or I want.

518
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: To live from my purpose? Awesome, that's great to get

519
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: really clear about what your purpose is in life, But

520
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: we've lost that thing of going, what about being a

521
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: really great person in my community? What about you know,

522
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: instead of creating big impact in the world, how can

523
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: I be a better parent, daughter, friend? Like, that's where

524
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: I can make impact. So I think too just I

525
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: never dreamed of writing books. I knew I wanted to

526
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: tell stories. I would have loved to be an actor,

527
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: you know, long term, sure, But at the same time,

528
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: once I had my son and that wasn't a possibility

529
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: like single parenting and being on a long running TV

530
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: show or theater at night, it just the economics don't work,

531
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: and either did the energetic economics, and I had to

532
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: step back from that and go, okay, so that framework

533
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: doesn't work, what does and staying open to possibilities that

534
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: did present themselves, and still, of course, as you say,

535
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: driving it. There is an element to I always knew,

536
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: especially with the first book, as I knew I wanted

537
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: to write that book for a long long time. I

538
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: didn't know how or when, but it was permeating and

539
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: I worked really hard to try and get it to happen,

540
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: and it didn't, and then it sort of fell on

541
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: my lap. All that work paid off way after I

542
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: thought it was going to pay off.

543
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 3: That's so interesting.

544
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: There's a quote that I love. The day you plant

545
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: the seed is not the day you eat the fruit.

546
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: And I think with that instant gratuity thing, it's like, well,

547
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: I'm working hard now, so I want the results within

548
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: six months or a year or like a really traceable

549
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: amount of time. But often you're really laying foundations like

550
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: decades sometimes before the benefits are reaped, which means patience

551
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: will get you a really long way in this day

552
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: and age. And also I think that really shows through

553
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: your story as well, that you were willing to put

554
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: in yards in like in Paris, for example, you went

555
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 2: back to the start at school. You did clown school,

556
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 2: which I want to ask you a little bit more about.

557
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: But you lived in Paris, you did a stint to

558
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: like read qualifying something, then you came back. You've done

559
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: an enormous amount of time in play school, Like you've

560
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: done big chapters. There's not been any kind of two

561
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: to three year itch bortom. You'll like commit fully to

562
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: a chapter and know that you know it won't be

563
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 2: the right chapter forever. But I think one of the

564
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: things that's really hard for people is knowing when a

565
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: chapter is coming to an end and being okay with

566
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: like the evolution, and it seems like you've been very

567
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 2: good at putting all of yourself into one chapter, but

568
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,959
Speaker 2: then being like, okay, evolution, time is it?

569
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 3: Because you feel the creep.

570
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: Of something new, Like how did you know that it

571
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: was time to leave Paris? How did you know that

572
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: it was time to step back from play school?

573
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: Like?

574
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 3: How do you work that out?

575
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: You know? I don't learn things gracefully, Definitely not someone

576
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: who's like gets a little tap on the shoulder from

577
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: the universe like hey, it's time to change No, it's

578
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: I get a tap, I ignore it. Then I get

579
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: like a smack smack, and I ignore it, and then

580
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: I get hit by you know, the bus going change course,

581
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, okay, there's been really, I guess,

582
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: monumental things that happened where I was thoughced to change.

583
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: Like I said, you can't be a single parent and

584
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: continue to live the way that you did when I

585
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: was single, traveling the world doing what I wanted, and

586
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: you can't. I think you can knock on doors, but

587
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: at some point there's this marriage of you know, call

588
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: it destiny or fate or the randomness of life, whichever

589
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: it is, and all the work and effort that we

590
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: put into things, and they collide in ways that for

591
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: me have definitely not been graceful. And I I haven't

592
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,719
Speaker 1: even decided in many of those moments. It's been things

593
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: that catalysts that what was an idea becomes very apparent

594
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: that yeah, you actually have to do that thing. And

595
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, even leaving Paris was torturous because I left

596
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: and then I went back, and then of course when

597
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: I went back it wasn't the same, and then I

598
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: probably stayed longer than I should. But I didn't leave

599
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: until I went to La and then I was going

600
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: to like do the stint in LA, and I got

601
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: a job back in Australia within like three months, which

602
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: brought me back to Australia, so I kind of ended up.

603
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: I was trying to stay in Paris, but I was like, oh,

604
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: I should still be an actor. Maybe I can live

605
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: between La and Paris and then But it's so funny

606
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: how I just kept getting pulled back to Australia and

607
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: a job brought me back here. I didn't choose that.

608
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: I never would have chosen to come back at that

609
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: moment in my life, but I McLeod's daughters offered me

610
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: role and I was like, oh, well, I guess I

611
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: meant to be acting. So that's what I was. That's

612
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: what all this is for, isn't.

613
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: It Like and it's a huge show, Like, well, that's

614
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: a huge opportunity.

615
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: But it was not. It was not on my plan,

616
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. So it's not like I I

617
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: don't know. I think for some people they're very good

618
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: at hearing those cues and in the within themselves. But

619
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: for me, it's always been like I am forced a

620
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: kick in the butt.

621
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I think one of the things that's so

622
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: interesting is when.

623
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: People like you have had such a breath of experience,

624
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 2: like the vast majority of us are not going to

625
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: go to like a Parisian clown School. So while I've

626
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 2: got you, I would love to just pick your brain

627
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,959
Speaker 2: about what you actually do there. Like I think one

628
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: of the beautiful things now that you have given us

629
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: with your amazing new memoir Paris for beginners is that

630
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: we can get lost in the City of Lights with

631
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: you and like get into the.

632
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 3: Nitty gritty of what your day to day life was.

633
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: But for anyone.

634
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: Who's you know, want to give them a taste of

635
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,239
Speaker 2: kind of what your life was like there, Like what

636
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: are you doing cloud?

637
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 3: Do you juggle?

638
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: Like you actually doing clowny things? I know I read

639
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: that you had to learn to act like you were

640
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: at gunpoint and like about to be murdered.

641
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: Like is it just being.

642
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: Broadly in it's call clown school or are you fully

643
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: wearing clown outfits and being a clown?

644
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: So the school works in modules. Fundamentally, it is a

645
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: theater school, and Philip Guilliere came from a school called

646
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: Jacques Lecoq, which is a very famous physical theater school

647
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: which still exists, and in fact, the Lecoq students and

648
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: the Golier students we spend a lot of time together.

649
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: But Philip left because he has. He had more of

650
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: an interest in working with texts, so like within lines,

651
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 1: and he felt that there were things that he couldn't

652
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: do it Lacock that he tried to bring to his school,

653
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: and it is centered around the whole premise of his

654
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: school is centered around the first module, which is leisure,

655
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: which is the game or to play. So he is

656
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: it sounds funny, right, because he's brutal and he's tough

657
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: on you learning to play and have fun and find pleasure.

658
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: You will have fun, right.

659
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: So I do that to myself to be fair. I'm like,

660
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 2: I need to have a day off. You will enjoy yourself,

661
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: you will rest.

662
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: It's like just fucking chill man.

663
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, And when you think about it and you see

664
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: someone who has not been chilling, when you see someone

665
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: who has not had pleasure, we see it, right, We

666
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: see in our friends and family when someone's under the

667
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: pump and they just have not had any joy for

668
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: a long time. So his perspective is you have to

669
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: be alive with play every time you get up on stage.

670
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: So that's at the heart of the school, right. But

671
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: to find that that there's a whole bunch of games

672
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: that he gets us to do, and the one that

673
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: you were describing was, in fact, we were trying to

674
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: find that moment where which, from his perspective, you should

675
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: always have on stage, which is the audience watches and goes,

676
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: oh my god, that moment. And I think we've all

677
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: had that experience of listening to a song or going

678
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: to the theater or watching a show where you're like, oh,

679
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: the moment and that actor lifted their hand up, or

680
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: the moment when you hear that note and it takes

681
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: your breath away. And so that exercise was an exercise

682
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: in getting us to because you know, the tendency was

683
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: fresh to get up and be like find our way

684
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: into the scene. And he's like, no, you have to

685
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: get up and you have to be there and you

686
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: have to So yes, we had to stand in a line.

687
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: He would say ready, aim, and we'd have to start

688
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: speaking text so you might be saying some Shakespeare or

689
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: Chekhov or and if he banged his drumma meant that

690
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: you were shot.

691
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 3: You just had to die on the spot.

692
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but to die is in like stop talking.

693
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 3: Oh, not actually die, not actually die.

694
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: He's just like every time you get on stage, it's

695
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: like you're trying to save your life, so in order

696
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,959
Speaker 1: to do that, you have to find an impulse. Every

697
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: time we got up, so a lot of the time

698
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: was a group of us getting up. He would give

699
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: us an exercise. Sometimes he would give us lots of instruction.

700
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes they'd be very little. Intentionally, we would do the

701
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: exercise and if he banged his drama meant you all

702
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: had to stop. You were boring and you had to stop.

703
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: I see, Okay, So you're trying to captivate him, yes,

704
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 2: until Yeah, you're trying to avoid the drum.

705
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: You're trying to avoid the drum. So there's a level

706
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: of adrenaline and imagination that you're constantly try to bring

707
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: to yeah, to get one little smile from him. And

708
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: the beauty of the school is that every single person

709
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: that I was at school with they had their moments,

710
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 1: like so many moments where because the stakes were always

711
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: so high, they would find something magic, you know, something

712
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: so that moment that we would all be there watching, going,

713
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: oh my god, and you'd feel such relief and joy

714
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: that your friend had done well right.

715
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 3: They didn't get killed in the lineup.

716
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: Yes, And what's so funny about it is a producing

717
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: part Natasha and I and we've been working on developing

718
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: the series, developing the book as a series. Part of

719
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: the problems, She's like, surely there was drama between the

720
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 1: students in like we need to find some drama between

721
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: the students of school. And I'm like, we genuinely just

722
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: wanted each other to do well. There was not one

723
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: iota of competition in that room. There was just this

724
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: level of if someone did well, it was like, oh,

725
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: so I'm so happy for them.

726
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have this like Juilliard image where everyone's like

727
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: fighting to the death and like there's one Sasha Baron

728
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: Cohen then every cohort and like you'll tear another down.

729
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 3: But that's so beautiful.

730
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was pretty magic. And he's you know, like

731
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: the first time I got up, he and I'm like

732
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: doing my thing and then he bangs his drama and

733
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: he was like, well, why did you get up? Did

734
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: you think what they do is saw amazing? There's the

735
00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: audience going to love me legsies blah blah, or did

736
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: you think I am boying like a boying seven for seven? Almost? Aliah,

737
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: never in my life I want to see this woman.

738
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 3: So that's so friend.

739
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: He would do it always with he would like tear

740
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: you down, but with so much humor. And he was

741
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 1: so joyful when someone did well, you know, to see

742
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: as student find something incredible. He was just as you

743
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: could just see the joy on his face. But yeah,

744
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: it was brutal. And yes we do dress up for

745
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: some of the modules, so for Buffon, which is very

746
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: similar to clown, but it's more it's what Sasha Barankhan does.

747
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 1: So it's satire. It's the people who are the rejects

748
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 1: of society coming back to make fun of. You play

749
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: someone of an elevated status in order that they will

750
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: see them and have a heart attack because they they

751
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: laugh at the person and then they go, oh my god,

752
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: they're walking me.

753
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 3: And then they're exposed.

754
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: Yes, so Befon and clown are the last two modules

755
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: you do because they're the hardest. And clown you find

756
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: a clown and then you dress up as that clown.

757
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: So my clown thought she was Bridget Badou, she thought

758
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: she was very sexy. That was not at all.

759
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

760
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 2: Okay, So in this scheme of like people's when they

761
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 2: hear clown school, in this scheme of their expectation of

762
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: like literally twenty clowns in a room with like a

763
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 2: red nose and white face paint. How much of your

764
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: course was that versus like theater generally.

765
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: Most of the year is look at such a mishmosh,

766
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: because he would just pull, like even when we did

767
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: Shakespeare modules, he'd pull some elements of other modules in obviously,

768
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: because we're constantly overlapping with ideas and characters. And however

769
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: we would improvise to a character. So say we were

770
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: doing Shakespeare Chekhovs and we'd do different exercises, and maybe

771
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: someone is pretending to be a spider. I was a

772
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: terrible spider, okay, right, someone's pretending to be a spider,

773
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: and he's like, okay, like this, you're going to play

774
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: leading with.

775
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 4: Beth as a spider, yes, in that kind of way

776
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 4: with their body, right, So then the next day they

777
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 4: would come dressed as Lady m with and have learned text.

778
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: So we would find the character first with that, with

779
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: play and with improvisations. Then we'd add the layer absolutely

780
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: of dressing up in that character. But with clown you

781
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: really only had one chance. I had two, and I

782
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: failed at both of them. He gave me a second

783
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: one and they were both a disaster. I just lost

784
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: my ability to fail by the end of the year,

785
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: and you have to fail in clown and then you

786
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: get to dress up as whatever. So we'd improvise and

787
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: say I did something where I pretended to be a giraffe,

788
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: and so when I try to be sexy, people laugh.

789
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 1: So he's like, all right, your clown is Bridget Buddo.

790
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: She thinks she's sexy. So I wore a towel and

791
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: a big blonde wig and the nose. That's when you

792
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: put the nose on. But it's only after you've sort

793
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: of found all the elements of your clown that then

794
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: we would get dressed up and play.

795
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I know that's so cool.

796
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: I feel like people in their mind think that you're

797
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 2: just literally qualifying to just be a clown at like

798
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: a circus.

799
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 3: But there's like Shakespeare involved. It's like so.

800
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: Much art that goes into this. And it's so interesting

801
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: that we've touched on play because a big part of

802
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 2: this show is the idea that everyone needs play in

803
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: their life, and particularly play outside of what's productive for

804
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: you or what's your career, because if you're always just working,

805
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: even if you love it, and even if it's playfull,

806
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: you burn out. Like it's impossible to do only one

807
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 2: thing in your life without enjoy it. Like we're not

808
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: here to work and die, We're here to also have

809
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: some fulfillment and enjoy our relationships. And you know, you're

810
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 2: living in the most one of the most beautiful cities

811
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: in the world, and then you've come home to one

812
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: of the most beautiful countries in the world. And I

813
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: think we can get very bogged down in the hustle

814
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: and forget to play. But you've gone from a clown

815
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: school to coming back to a role in play school.

816
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: Like the word is play. It's child's play. You're encouraged

817
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 2: to be in the child's mind. But that's your job.

818
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 2: And I think sometimes when you make joyful things your job,

819
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 2: it can make it very hard to get joy elsewhere

820
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: because like the lines are so blurry. So how have

821
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 2: you managed to keep the joy and the art of

822
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: what you do alive but also find a you that's

823
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: not part of that identity, that productive working identity, and

824
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: that can find play outside of you know, the media.

825
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really really good question, and I think

826
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: It's something I struggle with, you know, that finding a balance,

827
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: and I recognize I'm in such a position of privilege.

828
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: There's so many people who are in you know, have

829
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: way more challenges than me, who have experienced levels of

830
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 1: prejudice and trauma that I have not, and so I'm

831
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: always really conscious of that. But actually, at the end

832
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: of the day, I have a roof over my head

833
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: and I'm relatively healthy, and so I'm grateful that I

834
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: have the ability to play and the ability to be

835
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: joyful out of what I do, out of the work

836
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: I do, but also in the work I do, because

837
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 1: for me, I was really like, it's not an easy

838
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: road doing different things. It's not an easy road being

839
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: an actor. It's not an easy road writing all the

840
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: creative things I've done, and actually also you know, teaching yoga,

841
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: which is a whole other part of my life. None

842
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: of those paths provide any kind of stability or great

843
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: economic reward, Like you really have to be in it

844
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: for the love of it, and the way that say,

845
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: for example, teaching yoga trainings or classes, I always was like,

846
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to be counting numbers in my class.

847
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to be relying on students for

848
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: me to make a living, which has meant that I

849
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 1: have to always have other ways of earning money outside

850
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: of acting, writing and my world of mindfulness and yoga.

851
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: I've had to make sure that I can, especially being

852
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: a single parent, that I can afford so we have

853
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: a home and we don't want for a lot, and

854
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: that those things can be fun because I'm doing them

855
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: because I still love them. There's no point in me

856
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: showing up to play school or showing up to a

857
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: yoga space and go accounting how much money I'm going

858
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: to earn that day. There's just much better ways of

859
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: making money, right, So you have to be there for

860
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: the love. You have to be there for the For me,

861
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: I'm like every time I go into play School, I

862
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 1: remind myself of how excited I was the very first

863
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: time I found out that they were giving me a

864
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: chance to do a couple of apps. I was just

865
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: beside myself. It felt like such an honor and such

866
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: a privilege to be part of this institution and I

867
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: don't ever want to lose that, and as soon as

868
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: I do, I will stop doing it. It can't be

869
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: and it's hard work. Like learning the lines for play school.

870
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: I've never found learning lines easy, and you have to

871
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: learn a lot for play school, and you have to

872
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: be on your game and give a lot of energy.

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Speaker 1: And in fact, in most things I do, you have

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Speaker 1: to like, you have to give a lot, right, you

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Speaker 1: have to be generous, and that can only come from

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Speaker 1: a place of joy with what you're doing.

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Speaker 3: One hundred.

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Speaker 2: I love that you mentioned the idea that one day

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Speaker 2: when you don't appreciate it and you don't feel that

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00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: same sparkle, that that is usually the sign that a

881
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Speaker 2: chapter is kind of coming to a close for you.

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Speaker 2: But I love also reminding yourself of how you felt

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Speaker 2: the first day that you got the job. I think

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Speaker 2: it's very easy to forget the gratitude, the immense gratitude

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Speaker 2: you have for something. If you get to do it

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00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: for a long time, it can feel like, oh, it's

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Speaker 2: rinse and repeat. But like if you just go back

888
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: to that sparkle you had when you first found out, like, that's.

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Speaker 3: A really beautiful exercise to do.

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Speaker 2: And also I love that you've explained I think you

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Speaker 2: assume a children show would be easier, but like, I

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Speaker 2: can't imagine how difficult it is to maintain that level

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Speaker 2: of energy on TV and re remembering your lines and

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00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: doing it to you're doing it to a camera, you're

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Speaker 2: not doing it to an audience like that is skill.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's ultimately the thing about being a play school

897
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Speaker 1: presenter is it's about the relationship with you and one child.

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Speaker 1: And I think that when that's what the gift that

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Speaker 1: Gauliere gave me was. He was so passionate about it

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Speaker 1: is all ways about your relationship with the audience, whether

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00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: they're physically they're in the theater or not like on

902
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: the screen, that you have to always have a game

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00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 1: in your head and joy. And he also said your

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Speaker 1: only job as an actor is to show your soul, right,

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, to find a way to keep going.

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Speaker 1: How do I stay light and joyful enough so I

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Speaker 1: can just keep peeling back the layers and show up

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00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: and show my soul and be vulnerable again and again

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00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: and again and again. But I also think you, like

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Speaker 1: you said, play also involves a bit of work. I

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00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: think there's a lot to be said for discipline, because

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00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: discipline and having a foundation in your life where whether

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00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 1: it's you have rituals or for me, it was making

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00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: sure that I have that financial security outside of the

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00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: things I love doing and not relying on them to

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Speaker 1: make money, and also knowing that I am I'm not

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Speaker 1: someone like I don't love the social media thing. I'm

918
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Speaker 1: not someone who's going to build a business on that

919
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Speaker 1: kind of platform. It's not so recognizing that's not joyful

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00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: for me. And I tried it, Like I tried for

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Speaker 1: a minute, you know, doing some stuff, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: it's not joyful for me. So just going, yes, following

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Speaker 1: the joy, but also having the discipline in place so

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Speaker 1: that you can And I think we often feel when

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00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: things are a bit chaotic, we can often feel like

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Speaker 1: we can't play because when you're in survival, you can't

927
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: play when you're in And Elizabeth Gilbert talks about that,

928
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, the woman who eat prayer.

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Speaker 3: I love her so much.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And she's like, I do not suggest you give

931
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Speaker 1: up your day job to write a book.

932
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Speaker 2: Oh money, there are fills like the yeah, but like

933
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 2: also you got to eat, so like it's okay if

934
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 2: you have to do a job that you don't love

935
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 2: all the time, Like there's a reality yeah one d

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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, Rachel, I literally I can't leave.

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Speaker 3: It's been fifty minutes. I am.

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Speaker 2: We haven't even touched on your yoga cred Like, I

939
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 2: can't even There is so much I cannot wait to

940
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Speaker 2: get into your book.

941
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Speaker 3: Where can we find it?

942
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Speaker 2: I know you're not doing the social media as much,

943
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 2: but like, can we follow you?

944
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Speaker 3: Is that where we can get more information? Where can

945
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Speaker 3: we find you?

946
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: Yes, you can find me on mainly on Instagram. I

947
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: don't really do the Facebook thing so much. It's just

948
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Speaker 1: my name on Instagram is my handle. The book is

949
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: available in all good bookstores, so.

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Speaker 3: Clari's the beginners.

951
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Speaker 2: I miss Paris so much and I can't wait. I

952
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 2: feel like it's just going to take me through the streets,

953
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Speaker 2: as if I'm shadowing you in your life there.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to send me a message when you

956
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Speaker 1: start reading, because I can't wait to hear like your

957
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: response to the places and the peaking.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: Well, I always finish with a favorite quote, so can

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Speaker 2: you leave us with some words of wisdom to finish up?

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite sayings comes from my yoga teach

962
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Speaker 1: them a norma and she says pad pa day, which

963
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Speaker 1: is paday is like step by step, or how you

964
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: walk along your path. So because I always used to

965
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Speaker 1: be like, oh, but Ma, what about this? And I'd

966
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Speaker 1: ask these big questions and she'd be like, pa, day,

967
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Speaker 1: pa day, Like you just put one foot in front

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Speaker 1: of the other.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I love that.

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Speaker 2: The one that I like shove down people's throats is

971
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Speaker 2: you don't have to see the whole staircase.

972
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Speaker 3: You just have to take this first step, like.

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Speaker 1: One at a time.

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Speaker 2: Like relax, guys, you don't have to get to the end.

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Speaker 2: We've got time. Oh, Rachel, this was so wonderful. Congratulations

976
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Speaker 2: on the book. I will of course put links in

977
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Speaker 2: the show notes for you all so you can grab

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00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 2: a copy.

979
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Speaker 3: Highly recommend it. Let's get lost in Paris together.

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Speaker 1: Yay, thank you so much for having me. It was

981
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Speaker 1: such a joyous conversation. Thank you.

982
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Speaker 2: This was another one of those episodes where I feel

983
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Speaker 2: like there are still so many dot points of Rachel's

984
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 2: life that I didn't even get to. The question list

985
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 2: was pages long. She just has so many facets of

986
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Speaker 2: life to explore, so I'm sure she'll be back, and

987
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,240
Speaker 2: having lived in Paris myself for many years, I can't

988
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 2: wait to pore over the pages of her book and

989
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 2: get lost in that beautiful city again. I've popped the

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00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 2: link to Parispot Beginners in the show notes so you

991
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Speaker 2: guys can grab it your own copy too. As always,

992
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 2: please shower Rachel with love if you enjoyed listening along,

993
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Speaker 2: tagging her at Rachel Coops on Insta. That's Rachel al

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Speaker 2: and Coops with an es at the end, I hope

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Speaker 2: you are all having an amazing week and are seizing

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Speaker 2: your ya.