1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:15,304 Speaker 1: So you're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia 2 00:00:15,424 --> 00:00:19,024 Speaker 1: acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this 3 00:00:19,064 --> 00:00:26,784 Speaker 1: podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to this 4 00:00:26,904 --> 00:00:30,864 Speaker 1: spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brednick. 5 00:00:30,464 --> 00:00:31,504 Speaker 2: And I'm m Burnham. 6 00:00:31,784 --> 00:00:33,864 Speaker 1: And it's a good thing you're here today, m because 7 00:00:34,104 --> 00:00:38,304 Speaker 1: we are talking about really the only magazine cover story 8 00:00:38,344 --> 00:00:40,664 Speaker 1: that has really shocked me to my call this year. 9 00:00:40,704 --> 00:00:43,464 Speaker 1: Oh that's a big call. You're the one who said 10 00:00:43,464 --> 00:00:44,464 Speaker 1: it shocked you as well. 11 00:00:44,544 --> 00:00:46,664 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a lot of things to I think 12 00:00:46,664 --> 00:00:48,784 Speaker 2: this might end up being a Boodly honest review. 13 00:00:49,024 --> 00:00:52,344 Speaker 1: It potentially might be a Britly honest review of our 14 00:00:52,464 --> 00:00:55,824 Speaker 1: former love. Note the use of the word former. Paul Mescal. 15 00:00:56,104 --> 00:00:58,904 Speaker 1: He's on the cover of the new Rolling Stone magazine 16 00:00:59,104 --> 00:01:01,984 Speaker 1: and I can't even tell you about this profile, the 17 00:01:02,024 --> 00:01:04,544 Speaker 1: depths it goes into. It's made some people fall in 18 00:01:04,584 --> 00:01:06,624 Speaker 1: love with him, it's made some people fall out of 19 00:01:06,664 --> 00:01:07,224 Speaker 1: love with him. 20 00:01:07,264 --> 00:01:09,224 Speaker 2: I have a lot to say, you really do. 21 00:01:09,144 --> 00:01:11,144 Speaker 1: So that is coming up. But first of all, we 22 00:01:11,184 --> 00:01:13,784 Speaker 1: must talk about another hot boy of the moment. I thought, 23 00:01:13,824 --> 00:01:15,504 Speaker 1: since you were on the show today, m this might 24 00:01:15,584 --> 00:01:16,544 Speaker 1: just be all hot boy chat. 25 00:01:16,544 --> 00:01:19,384 Speaker 2: I love that this is now my brand. I feel 26 00:01:19,384 --> 00:01:21,264 Speaker 2: like one of the shows of one time we talk 27 00:01:21,304 --> 00:01:23,024 Speaker 2: about only men, Yeah. 28 00:01:23,224 --> 00:01:25,944 Speaker 1: Which is why would we talk about anything else. Someone 29 00:01:25,984 --> 00:01:28,064 Speaker 1: gives some attention to the men or awareness to them. 30 00:01:28,104 --> 00:01:31,544 Speaker 1: To me, you all the time men's activist Emily Verde 31 00:01:32,304 --> 00:01:34,144 Speaker 1: famous as she's famously known. 32 00:01:34,264 --> 00:01:36,944 Speaker 2: Famous men's activists Number one man. 33 00:01:37,184 --> 00:01:39,104 Speaker 1: So, I don't know if you saw the pictures or 34 00:01:39,144 --> 00:01:42,904 Speaker 1: the videos of the coverage. I did you know? I 35 00:01:42,904 --> 00:01:44,544 Speaker 1: I know you were glued to the screen. This is 36 00:01:44,544 --> 00:01:46,544 Speaker 1: the first time you followed a marathon story? 37 00:01:46,664 --> 00:01:48,464 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like the only thing I know about 38 00:01:48,504 --> 00:01:48,904 Speaker 2: this man. 39 00:01:50,184 --> 00:01:52,904 Speaker 1: This week Harry Styles ran the Berlin Marathon. 40 00:01:53,144 --> 00:01:53,824 Speaker 2: How the hell? 41 00:01:54,264 --> 00:01:54,344 Speaker 1: Like? 42 00:01:54,504 --> 00:01:55,384 Speaker 2: How the hell? 43 00:01:55,504 --> 00:01:57,704 Speaker 1: Well? There's a lot of criticism from the girls who 44 00:01:57,704 --> 00:01:59,184 Speaker 1: are like a lot of running and a lot of 45 00:01:59,264 --> 00:02:00,984 Speaker 1: music making. A lot of people saying could have been 46 00:02:01,064 --> 00:02:03,304 Speaker 1: running towards the studio because it's been a while between 47 00:02:03,344 --> 00:02:04,944 Speaker 1: albums and a while between tours. 48 00:02:04,944 --> 00:02:07,704 Speaker 2: Because I'm assuming for a marathon like that, you would 49 00:02:07,704 --> 00:02:08,344 Speaker 2: have to train. 50 00:02:08,544 --> 00:02:12,184 Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, So he's been training this whole time. You 51 00:02:12,184 --> 00:02:15,184 Speaker 1: have to train hardcore. I haven't run a marathon for myself, 52 00:02:15,184 --> 00:02:17,944 Speaker 1: but I hear from people. It's very very intense, and 53 00:02:17,984 --> 00:02:20,304 Speaker 1: there's a huge training process, not just on like the 54 00:02:20,384 --> 00:02:22,624 Speaker 1: running and the lengths, but like the physical build up, 55 00:02:22,664 --> 00:02:25,744 Speaker 1: the mental build up, the nutrition, all this sort of stuff. 56 00:02:25,784 --> 00:02:29,664 Speaker 1: But yes, he completed the Berlin marathon in two hours, 57 00:02:29,824 --> 00:02:33,224 Speaker 1: fifty nine minutes and thirteen seconds. Apparently that's meant to 58 00:02:33,224 --> 00:02:37,224 Speaker 1: be amazing time. Yeah, like he did well, that is insane. 59 00:02:36,864 --> 00:02:38,544 Speaker 2: Like, not only did he do the marathon, but he 60 00:02:38,584 --> 00:02:40,344 Speaker 2: did it what runners are saying. 61 00:02:40,184 --> 00:02:41,624 Speaker 1: In under three hours. 62 00:02:41,904 --> 00:02:44,424 Speaker 2: He did break some rules though, Yes, so the thing 63 00:02:44,504 --> 00:02:47,144 Speaker 2: is when you run a marathon, h it doesn't count 64 00:02:47,224 --> 00:02:50,544 Speaker 2: unless you post it on your Instagram stories. Yes, so 65 00:02:50,664 --> 00:02:53,304 Speaker 2: he broke the rules. You also have to mention that 66 00:02:53,384 --> 00:02:55,784 Speaker 2: you run a marathon in every conversation you have for 67 00:02:55,824 --> 00:02:58,744 Speaker 2: the next six months. And I have a feeling he's 68 00:02:58,784 --> 00:02:59,864 Speaker 2: not the kind of guy to do that. 69 00:03:00,264 --> 00:03:02,584 Speaker 1: Well, he tried to do it. This is so cute. 70 00:03:02,624 --> 00:03:05,224 Speaker 1: He tried to do it undercover. He tried to do 71 00:03:05,264 --> 00:03:08,144 Speaker 1: it in disguise. So he arrived and he's grown out 72 00:03:08,144 --> 00:03:09,504 Speaker 1: the facial hair and it. 73 00:03:09,584 --> 00:03:10,584 Speaker 2: Just makes them look when. 74 00:03:11,504 --> 00:03:14,464 Speaker 1: It was very patchy, he had sunglasses on and a cap. 75 00:03:14,544 --> 00:03:17,264 Speaker 2: You know how he looked like he looked like the 76 00:03:17,384 --> 00:03:21,184 Speaker 2: character he played and don't worry that. Yeah, but before 77 00:03:21,664 --> 00:03:28,904 Speaker 2: before he paid to have a fancy makeover before. Yeah, yeah, 78 00:03:29,184 --> 00:03:31,224 Speaker 2: that's what he looked like. He looks it looks hot, 79 00:03:31,304 --> 00:03:31,984 Speaker 2: like he's so fit. 80 00:03:32,144 --> 00:03:34,264 Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks like a gruff guy that you would 81 00:03:34,304 --> 00:03:37,064 Speaker 1: sort of just see. You wouldn't over a pub. You 82 00:03:37,104 --> 00:03:40,264 Speaker 1: wouldn't expect him to be headlining a sold out. 83 00:03:40,664 --> 00:03:43,704 Speaker 2: And you know what he isn't, So get on that stage, Harry, start, 84 00:03:43,784 --> 00:03:44,384 Speaker 2: that's what we want. 85 00:03:44,544 --> 00:03:47,584 Speaker 1: He skulked in head down. People were saying that no 86 00:03:47,584 --> 00:03:48,944 Speaker 1: one knew who he was at first because he was 87 00:03:48,984 --> 00:03:51,584 Speaker 1: not talking to anyone. He was like head down, sunglasses 88 00:03:51,664 --> 00:03:54,744 Speaker 1: cap and he registered under a fake name. Do you 89 00:03:54,744 --> 00:03:57,144 Speaker 1: want not? His fake name was not what his fake 90 00:03:57,224 --> 00:04:03,624 Speaker 1: name is, dead, Sirandos, that's so much dead dead t 91 00:04:04,104 --> 00:04:06,904 Speaker 1: ed Sirrandos. 92 00:04:05,784 --> 00:04:08,424 Speaker 2: Like steady on. Maybe that's why I just think if. 93 00:04:08,224 --> 00:04:09,944 Speaker 1: You want to have a fake name, you do like 94 00:04:09,944 --> 00:04:13,104 Speaker 1: a John's Smith or something something so nondescriptive. If someone 95 00:04:13,144 --> 00:04:15,624 Speaker 1: said to me, oh, hi, my name's Steed strand Us, 96 00:04:15,984 --> 00:04:18,264 Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh is that short for something? Is 97 00:04:18,264 --> 00:04:21,264 Speaker 1: that a family name? Where does that come from Yeah. 98 00:04:21,104 --> 00:04:23,624 Speaker 2: I don't like that at all. Oh my god, this 99 00:04:23,704 --> 00:04:24,504 Speaker 2: this boy I know. 100 00:04:24,624 --> 00:04:25,944 Speaker 1: So I just feel bad for him, because I mean, 101 00:04:25,944 --> 00:04:28,144 Speaker 1: I don'teel that bad for him. I feel nothing at all. Actually, 102 00:04:28,304 --> 00:04:28,664 Speaker 1: I just. 103 00:04:28,584 --> 00:04:31,664 Speaker 2: Wish celebrities could talk about marathons the way other people 104 00:04:31,664 --> 00:04:32,184 Speaker 2: can talk about it. 105 00:04:32,264 --> 00:04:33,264 Speaker 1: You think he's being held back. 106 00:04:34,184 --> 00:04:35,984 Speaker 2: If I was a celebrity, I wouldn't even run a marathon, 107 00:04:35,984 --> 00:04:37,464 Speaker 2: because the whole point of running a marathon is so 108 00:04:37,504 --> 00:04:38,264 Speaker 2: you can talk about it. 109 00:04:38,744 --> 00:04:41,504 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, you want those I really about it. 110 00:04:41,584 --> 00:04:44,624 Speaker 2: I'm trying to understand the necessity of why maybe he. 111 00:04:44,704 --> 00:04:46,344 Speaker 1: Did do it. The thing is, a lot of people 112 00:04:46,384 --> 00:04:48,424 Speaker 1: are really ragging on him, as I said, about the 113 00:04:48,464 --> 00:04:50,424 Speaker 1: fact that they don't think he's working enough. He hasn't 114 00:04:50,424 --> 00:04:53,104 Speaker 1: got like any big movies like on the Nearby Horizon 115 00:04:53,504 --> 00:04:55,024 Speaker 1: as far as we know, like we don't know when 116 00:04:55,024 --> 00:04:57,104 Speaker 1: his album's coming out, he's not going to tour for 117 00:04:57,144 --> 00:04:59,424 Speaker 1: a while. So people do think that he's just been 118 00:04:59,424 --> 00:05:01,224 Speaker 1: putting his energy in the wrong direction. 119 00:05:01,744 --> 00:05:03,424 Speaker 2: Oh well, it's definitely a direction. 120 00:05:03,544 --> 00:05:07,344 Speaker 1: I just yeah, just not the right direction people want it. 121 00:05:07,504 --> 00:05:11,184 Speaker 1: But I feel like he's in full marathons like holiday mode, 122 00:05:11,344 --> 00:05:13,304 Speaker 1: because you know, how when he's not training for a 123 00:05:13,304 --> 00:05:16,064 Speaker 1: marathon and being s dead, he's walking. 124 00:05:16,824 --> 00:05:17,384 Speaker 2: He's walking. 125 00:05:17,504 --> 00:05:19,984 Speaker 1: He's walking the streets of every city in Europe arm 126 00:05:19,984 --> 00:05:21,064 Speaker 1: in arm with Zoe Kravitt. 127 00:05:21,064 --> 00:05:21,664 Speaker 2: That's right. 128 00:05:22,024 --> 00:05:24,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're still doing that. By the way, amer 129 00:05:24,864 --> 00:05:27,304 Speaker 1: convinced him to do the marri Maybe maybe, like, Babe, 130 00:05:27,304 --> 00:05:29,784 Speaker 1: I can't be the only one holding this relationship, Like 131 00:05:29,784 --> 00:05:32,664 Speaker 1: you can't just be following me from premiere to premiere's 132 00:05:32,904 --> 00:05:33,864 Speaker 1: work something. 133 00:05:33,944 --> 00:05:35,144 Speaker 2: Do you think she was in the crowd with like 134 00:05:35,144 --> 00:05:35,584 Speaker 2: a sign. 135 00:05:35,784 --> 00:05:37,784 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it'd be very one of those like Cringey. 136 00:05:37,504 --> 00:05:40,424 Speaker 2: Signs where it's like push here for energy boost and 137 00:05:40,424 --> 00:05:41,144 Speaker 2: then they cap it. 138 00:05:41,744 --> 00:05:43,984 Speaker 1: This is the thought of Zoe Kravitz doing that is oh. 139 00:05:43,904 --> 00:05:45,024 Speaker 2: Family Lenny Kravitt. 140 00:05:45,304 --> 00:05:48,504 Speaker 1: Yeah, he walks out on leather pants. Maybe he was 141 00:05:48,504 --> 00:05:49,904 Speaker 1: giving Maybe he was a. 142 00:05:50,104 --> 00:05:52,464 Speaker 2: Musical guest, because if we know it wasn't Harry. 143 00:05:52,584 --> 00:05:55,544 Speaker 1: But as we've been seeing Zoe and Harry wander around 144 00:05:55,624 --> 00:05:59,104 Speaker 1: various European cities arm in arm because people are always 145 00:05:59,144 --> 00:06:02,504 Speaker 1: filming them as they will pass, we're getting just one 146 00:06:02,544 --> 00:06:03,824 Speaker 1: sentence of their conversation. 147 00:06:04,424 --> 00:06:05,944 Speaker 2: So we were stitching it together. 148 00:06:06,104 --> 00:06:08,584 Speaker 1: We could sitch it together one like little bit of 149 00:06:08,664 --> 00:06:11,024 Speaker 1: audio that I saw was then walking past, and Zobe goes, 150 00:06:11,064 --> 00:06:13,264 Speaker 1: I'm excited, and then you can't hear what she says. 151 00:06:13,664 --> 00:06:15,944 Speaker 1: And I also think it's a huge disservice to that 152 00:06:15,984 --> 00:06:18,264 Speaker 1: person who didn't follow after them and keep filming. 153 00:06:18,344 --> 00:06:19,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, how are they? 154 00:06:19,104 --> 00:06:21,664 Speaker 1: And then there's another one where they're walking along and 155 00:06:22,544 --> 00:06:24,824 Speaker 1: now I'm thinking about Harry's not doing any talking. He's 156 00:06:24,864 --> 00:06:26,544 Speaker 1: always talking, and I think that's fair because she seems 157 00:06:26,544 --> 00:06:27,424 Speaker 1: to be the more interesting one. 158 00:06:27,464 --> 00:06:28,624 Speaker 2: She seems to be doing everything. 159 00:06:28,904 --> 00:06:31,384 Speaker 1: She goes. You know the thing about our friendship circle 160 00:06:31,664 --> 00:06:33,424 Speaker 1: is and then they walk past. 161 00:06:33,584 --> 00:06:36,584 Speaker 2: What Okay, we do not endorse paparatic castle here, but 162 00:06:36,624 --> 00:06:37,424 Speaker 2: now I'm endorsing it. 163 00:06:37,544 --> 00:06:40,104 Speaker 1: Yeah, follow through, But also, these aren't the old school 164 00:06:40,264 --> 00:06:43,424 Speaker 1: aggressive kids are chasing. Yeah, they're girls with iPhones who 165 00:06:43,424 --> 00:06:45,984 Speaker 1: are there on a European vaca, probably with their parents. 166 00:06:45,984 --> 00:06:47,824 Speaker 1: Think of them, and you know what, they're the people 167 00:06:47,824 --> 00:06:49,624 Speaker 1: we can trust. Yeah, and they're the ones you should 168 00:06:49,664 --> 00:06:51,784 Speaker 1: be doing the follow through. Follow for one more second. 169 00:06:51,784 --> 00:06:53,664 Speaker 1: What about their friendship group? Is there a fight? Is 170 00:06:53,664 --> 00:06:54,264 Speaker 1: there a drama? 171 00:06:54,344 --> 00:06:57,024 Speaker 2: Is their friendship group? It's like who would be in 172 00:06:57,064 --> 00:06:57,664 Speaker 2: that group? 173 00:06:58,224 --> 00:07:00,704 Speaker 1: It's just all that kind of hot mid to young 174 00:07:00,784 --> 00:07:05,704 Speaker 1: Hollywood range. So it's like the Austin Butler's, the Jonah's brothers, 175 00:07:05,744 --> 00:07:06,824 Speaker 1: the Jonas brothers. 176 00:07:07,224 --> 00:07:08,784 Speaker 2: I feel like a Glenn Powe will be in there. 177 00:07:08,824 --> 00:07:12,064 Speaker 1: Glen Powell's in there, even getting into that whole Nina 178 00:07:12,144 --> 00:07:16,904 Speaker 1: Dobo of Kelly Teller, Taylor Swift, but then also Riley Keo, 179 00:07:17,184 --> 00:07:18,544 Speaker 1: Dakota Johnson's in there too. 180 00:07:18,704 --> 00:07:20,664 Speaker 2: Do you think it'll be Zach Efron or Dylan Efron? 181 00:07:21,384 --> 00:07:24,824 Speaker 1: I think like Dylan comes with Zach and then everyone 182 00:07:27,864 --> 00:07:29,984 Speaker 1: I know Dylan Efron, who if anyone doesn't know Zac 183 00:07:29,984 --> 00:07:30,744 Speaker 1: Efron's hot brother. 184 00:07:30,904 --> 00:07:33,624 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you think Zac Efron's had way to see 185 00:07:33,664 --> 00:07:34,144 Speaker 2: Dylan there. 186 00:07:34,024 --> 00:07:36,024 Speaker 1: Front exactly he did the Traders and then he did 187 00:07:36,064 --> 00:07:38,424 Speaker 1: Dance in the Stars. I think it's like Zach gets 188 00:07:38,424 --> 00:07:41,304 Speaker 1: invited and he brings Dylan and everyone likes Dylan Moore, 189 00:07:42,424 --> 00:07:46,304 Speaker 1: that whole siblings situation. So anyway, Harry Styles run a marathon, 190 00:07:46,304 --> 00:07:47,504 Speaker 1: I think is a takeaway from that. 191 00:07:47,744 --> 00:07:50,544 Speaker 2: It's like, no thoughts, Harry Styles runs a marathon and 192 00:07:50,944 --> 00:07:53,784 Speaker 2: you know what, he should stop and start making some music. 193 00:07:53,944 --> 00:07:57,144 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that was the takeaway. Again. People were not happy. 194 00:07:57,344 --> 00:07:59,104 Speaker 1: The boy's just trying to. He's just trying to run. 195 00:07:59,504 --> 00:08:01,704 Speaker 1: He's just trying to want to. You just see someone 196 00:08:01,864 --> 00:08:06,224 Speaker 1: say he's running because he's not allowed to drive. Do 197 00:08:06,264 --> 00:08:07,024 Speaker 1: you know what that's about. 198 00:08:07,304 --> 00:08:08,224 Speaker 2: It's about his car. 199 00:08:08,544 --> 00:08:10,664 Speaker 1: It's about the fact that people think that he and 200 00:08:10,704 --> 00:08:12,744 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift were involved in a hit and run and 201 00:08:12,784 --> 00:08:15,944 Speaker 1: that he was involved in her in the Hiculo minslaughter 202 00:08:16,224 --> 00:08:19,064 Speaker 1: because and that he was That's what get away cars. 203 00:08:19,304 --> 00:08:20,504 Speaker 2: She wrote that song about. 204 00:08:23,584 --> 00:08:25,304 Speaker 1: So they think that he came to figure up for 205 00:08:25,304 --> 00:08:27,384 Speaker 1: a date. Listen to the song. It's all there. He 206 00:08:27,424 --> 00:08:28,864 Speaker 1: came to pick up for a date and he ran 207 00:08:28,984 --> 00:08:31,104 Speaker 1: someone over and then they never told me one and 208 00:08:31,144 --> 00:08:33,984 Speaker 1: then she wrote a song about it, and everyone's like, 209 00:08:34,024 --> 00:08:35,184 Speaker 1: have we seen him drive since? 210 00:08:35,224 --> 00:08:36,504 Speaker 2: And then she left him at a hotel? 211 00:08:36,624 --> 00:08:37,904 Speaker 1: Yeah, get away car after. 212 00:08:37,904 --> 00:08:38,904 Speaker 2: That's why I had to learn on run. 213 00:08:39,024 --> 00:08:40,664 Speaker 1: Yeah, and now he has to run because he can't drive. 214 00:08:41,064 --> 00:08:42,544 Speaker 1: So it all makes sense at the end of the day. 215 00:08:43,144 --> 00:08:45,424 Speaker 1: Congrats to you, Harry Styles, keep running some don't let 216 00:08:45,464 --> 00:08:49,424 Speaker 1: anyone stop you. Stead surrendous deserves to run another day. 217 00:08:52,144 --> 00:08:54,544 Speaker 1: So onto Rolling Stones knewest issue. 218 00:08:54,344 --> 00:08:55,744 Speaker 2: From one running man to another. 219 00:08:56,344 --> 00:08:58,944 Speaker 1: That's so true. I wonder who would win out of 220 00:08:58,984 --> 00:09:01,424 Speaker 1: Harry Styles and poor Meschool and a race. It depends 221 00:09:01,464 --> 00:09:03,904 Speaker 1: who's chasing them, Yeah, exactly, which one of the ex 222 00:09:03,944 --> 00:09:05,344 Speaker 1: girlfriends is trying to catch up with them? 223 00:09:06,064 --> 00:09:07,024 Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah. 224 00:09:07,144 --> 00:09:09,064 Speaker 1: Yeah. If that's the case, I'm definitely on the side 225 00:09:09,064 --> 00:09:10,544 Speaker 1: of the girl who's doing the chasing because she have 226 00:09:10,544 --> 00:09:11,304 Speaker 1: a reason. 227 00:09:11,104 --> 00:09:12,464 Speaker 2: Yes, and she would be the better runner. 228 00:09:12,624 --> 00:09:14,704 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. You don't chase those weedy men. Nless. He's 229 00:09:14,744 --> 00:09:17,664 Speaker 1: done something bad too anyway, as you can tell, and 230 00:09:17,744 --> 00:09:20,384 Speaker 1: he's gone off Poor Mescal after this article. So Poor 231 00:09:20,464 --> 00:09:22,464 Speaker 1: Mescal is on the cover of the new Rolling Stone 232 00:09:22,504 --> 00:09:26,024 Speaker 1: issue and it's a very in debt celebrity profile. It's 233 00:09:26,024 --> 00:09:27,464 Speaker 1: one of those ones you can tell it wasn't just 234 00:09:27,504 --> 00:09:29,824 Speaker 1: done the side of a photo shoot. The journalist who 235 00:09:29,824 --> 00:09:32,744 Speaker 1: wrote the interview, Alex Morris, I have to say I 236 00:09:32,784 --> 00:09:35,624 Speaker 1: love her. She's a contributing editor at Rolling Stone, and 237 00:09:35,664 --> 00:09:38,904 Speaker 1: her turn of phrase about Paul Mescal throughout this article 238 00:09:38,944 --> 00:09:41,744 Speaker 1: is incredible because I can't tell if she pities him 239 00:09:42,024 --> 00:09:43,464 Speaker 1: or she's in love with him. I think it's a 240 00:09:43,464 --> 00:09:43,904 Speaker 1: bit of both. 241 00:09:43,984 --> 00:09:48,184 Speaker 2: He was the perfect decision, yeah, for this interview. This 242 00:09:48,384 --> 00:09:53,744 Speaker 2: interview reads like the worst first date. Really ever heard. 243 00:09:53,904 --> 00:09:55,504 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I did not pick up on that. 244 00:09:55,504 --> 00:09:57,384 Speaker 1: I actually thought he came okay, this is the point. 245 00:09:57,704 --> 00:09:59,624 Speaker 2: There's no way you thought he came across good in this. 246 00:09:59,904 --> 00:10:02,784 Speaker 1: I actually think he came across cried in deering. But 247 00:10:03,104 --> 00:10:03,704 Speaker 1: I wasn't coming. 248 00:10:03,824 --> 00:10:06,464 Speaker 2: I was an issue with dating right now. Okay, let's 249 00:10:06,464 --> 00:10:08,784 Speaker 2: say so, okay, this. 250 00:10:08,704 --> 00:10:11,544 Speaker 1: Is when I just put her no down, put everything down, 251 00:10:11,744 --> 00:10:13,184 Speaker 1: say what you need to say. Okay. 252 00:10:13,344 --> 00:10:14,984 Speaker 2: This is the type of guy that you go on 253 00:10:15,024 --> 00:10:18,224 Speaker 2: a first date with. Yeah, and then you're like, this 254 00:10:18,384 --> 00:10:21,184 Speaker 2: was the best date of my life. Like, he's so interesting. 255 00:10:21,664 --> 00:10:25,104 Speaker 2: He has all this knowledge about music and about life, 256 00:10:25,144 --> 00:10:27,344 Speaker 2: and he knows what he wants and he's so like 257 00:10:27,464 --> 00:10:30,304 Speaker 2: generous with his time, and he's like he really like 258 00:10:30,544 --> 00:10:33,664 Speaker 2: considers like therapy, and he's like so like forward thinking. 259 00:10:34,264 --> 00:10:36,864 Speaker 2: And then you get home and then you're like, was 260 00:10:36,904 --> 00:10:39,704 Speaker 2: he interesting or did he just say a lot of things? 261 00:10:40,024 --> 00:10:42,184 Speaker 1: Yeah? To be honest, I don't even think he said 262 00:10:42,184 --> 00:10:43,384 Speaker 1: a lot of things. Do you know what I think 263 00:10:43,424 --> 00:10:44,904 Speaker 1: I'm in love with in this? I think I'm more 264 00:10:44,944 --> 00:10:47,864 Speaker 1: in love with Alex Morrison's writing of him. And you 265 00:10:47,904 --> 00:10:50,464 Speaker 1: know what I can tell is that I actually think 266 00:10:50,504 --> 00:10:52,504 Speaker 1: in a different writer's hands, because this has happened to 267 00:10:52,504 --> 00:10:54,784 Speaker 1: me before two This would be a very dull interview 268 00:10:55,144 --> 00:10:57,384 Speaker 1: because he doesn't actually say. 269 00:10:57,464 --> 00:11:00,144 Speaker 2: It's more, she writes a lot about what he doesn't say, 270 00:11:00,184 --> 00:11:02,784 Speaker 2: as in like what he's doing when he's not talking. 271 00:11:02,744 --> 00:11:04,624 Speaker 1: Which can I just tell you if you ever read 272 00:11:04,704 --> 00:11:06,584 Speaker 1: like the other day, I literally did like a five 273 00:11:06,624 --> 00:11:09,664 Speaker 1: minute interview with an actress, and if you've listened to 274 00:11:09,744 --> 00:11:11,824 Speaker 1: the past episods, you know what I'm talking about. And 275 00:11:11,904 --> 00:11:14,344 Speaker 1: I wrote like a two thousand word article about it 276 00:11:14,384 --> 00:11:17,224 Speaker 1: because her silence and what she didn't say and what 277 00:11:17,264 --> 00:11:18,744 Speaker 1: I thought she was trying to convey and why I 278 00:11:18,744 --> 00:11:21,344 Speaker 1: thought she was doing it was so much more interesting 279 00:11:21,384 --> 00:11:24,304 Speaker 1: than anything she actually said. And I think that's in 280 00:11:24,344 --> 00:11:25,904 Speaker 1: this article. So we're going to take you through some 281 00:11:25,904 --> 00:11:27,504 Speaker 1: of the highlights, and we can you can make up 282 00:11:27,504 --> 00:11:29,184 Speaker 1: your own mind whether you date poor Mescal or not 283 00:11:29,184 --> 00:11:32,224 Speaker 1: that he's available. So the article itself is called Paul 284 00:11:32,264 --> 00:11:35,864 Speaker 1: Mescal is trying to break your heart? Are you in? 285 00:11:35,944 --> 00:11:37,224 Speaker 2: Didn't succeed so well? 286 00:11:37,264 --> 00:11:38,384 Speaker 1: He kind of did, because you used to be in 287 00:11:38,424 --> 00:11:39,224 Speaker 1: love with him and now you're not. 288 00:11:39,224 --> 00:11:39,864 Speaker 2: That's true. 289 00:11:40,224 --> 00:11:42,224 Speaker 1: You're going through a breakup right now. Before our eyes. 290 00:11:42,584 --> 00:11:44,144 Speaker 2: I wanted to say something really mean, but I think 291 00:11:44,144 --> 00:11:45,064 Speaker 2: I might say it for the end. 292 00:11:45,704 --> 00:11:48,664 Speaker 1: Oh, okay, produce a minition, make a note that. 293 00:11:49,624 --> 00:11:51,944 Speaker 2: I think we have to convince the spillers of our. 294 00:11:52,664 --> 00:11:55,464 Speaker 1: Okay, we'll save M's mean commentary till the end. So 295 00:11:55,664 --> 00:11:57,584 Speaker 1: that's the title. Then it goes on to say there 296 00:11:57,624 --> 00:12:01,344 Speaker 1: may be no actor better at playing emotional devastation. We 297 00:12:01,384 --> 00:12:03,584 Speaker 1: meet up with him in London to try and figure 298 00:12:03,584 --> 00:12:07,504 Speaker 1: out why the opening line is so good. I have 299 00:12:07,584 --> 00:12:10,744 Speaker 1: a sneaking suspicion that everybody wants to be in a musical, 300 00:12:10,984 --> 00:12:14,024 Speaker 1: says Paul Mescal without a hint of irony, reaching into 301 00:12:14,024 --> 00:12:16,624 Speaker 1: an off license refrigerator and pulling out a pink g 302 00:12:16,784 --> 00:12:18,904 Speaker 1: and tea a can like, give the man a chance. 303 00:12:21,424 --> 00:12:27,504 Speaker 1: You savaged him in the first line. Pink pink, pink, 304 00:12:28,304 --> 00:12:31,864 Speaker 1: off license refrigerator. Should we get a cold one of these, 305 00:12:31,904 --> 00:12:35,384 Speaker 1: he says. He grabs two, then saunters up to the 306 00:12:35,424 --> 00:12:37,704 Speaker 1: till for a pack of Marlborough Golds and a cheap 307 00:12:37,744 --> 00:12:41,464 Speaker 1: plastic lider, and then they take off for a walk 308 00:12:41,464 --> 00:12:44,224 Speaker 1: through a nearby park. So they're in London together, she says. 309 00:12:44,264 --> 00:12:48,144 Speaker 1: Paul greets people he smiles, he skirts around old people, 310 00:12:48,264 --> 00:12:51,184 Speaker 1: he smiles at babies, And basically she just said he. 311 00:12:51,184 --> 00:12:54,704 Speaker 2: Is so like anyone walking down the streets, literally anyone 312 00:12:54,744 --> 00:12:55,464 Speaker 2: walking down the street. 313 00:12:55,864 --> 00:12:57,344 Speaker 1: I know, but I think she's trying to convey that 314 00:12:57,424 --> 00:13:02,584 Speaker 1: he's trying to be like such a nice guy. He 315 00:13:02,624 --> 00:13:04,824 Speaker 1: didn't ram down that old man who was taking up 316 00:13:04,904 --> 00:13:07,144 Speaker 1: room on the sidewalk, He just walked past him. 317 00:13:07,304 --> 00:13:10,784 Speaker 2: I like how she also describes his earphone at tickets. 318 00:13:11,104 --> 00:13:13,224 Speaker 1: Oh wait, what was that bit? I think I missed it. 319 00:13:13,304 --> 00:13:15,784 Speaker 2: How he like takes them and like swings them across. 320 00:13:18,384 --> 00:13:20,384 Speaker 1: Why is everything about this so funny? 321 00:13:20,504 --> 00:13:23,904 Speaker 2: It's so funny. She writes it so well. With this interview, 322 00:13:24,024 --> 00:13:27,384 Speaker 2: I just felt like he comes across as someone who 323 00:13:27,944 --> 00:13:30,344 Speaker 2: because he's so so famous, he's so careful about what 324 00:13:30,464 --> 00:13:34,704 Speaker 2: he is saying. But he is clearly thinks he's like 325 00:13:34,784 --> 00:13:37,144 Speaker 2: safe in what he's not saying, and he's not at 326 00:13:37,144 --> 00:13:39,624 Speaker 2: all in this because he's talking about what he's not saying. 327 00:13:40,104 --> 00:13:43,504 Speaker 2: But he also feels like he's someone that he wants 328 00:13:43,584 --> 00:13:47,984 Speaker 2: people to think that he's super deep and super emotional 329 00:13:48,024 --> 00:13:50,744 Speaker 2: and super intelligent, but he's also like, but I don't 330 00:13:50,744 --> 00:13:52,304 Speaker 2: cry all the time. Do people think I cry all 331 00:13:52,304 --> 00:13:53,504 Speaker 2: the time? I don't cry all the time. 332 00:13:53,824 --> 00:13:55,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, that part is quite funny, and it comes to 333 00:13:55,664 --> 00:13:58,344 Speaker 1: what is my favorite part. So in that part of 334 00:13:58,344 --> 00:14:01,904 Speaker 1: the article, he's talking about his preparation for the upcoming 335 00:14:01,904 --> 00:14:04,744 Speaker 1: Beatles movie, which I find that stuff really interesting. The 336 00:14:04,744 --> 00:14:06,784 Speaker 1: fact that they get picked up earlier in the morning, 337 00:14:06,944 --> 00:14:09,824 Speaker 1: driven like two hours to the rehearsal site, the whole 338 00:14:09,824 --> 00:14:12,544 Speaker 1: way they listen into Beatles' music. He's trying to learn 339 00:14:12,544 --> 00:14:14,984 Speaker 1: how to play left handed because like that's the correct 340 00:14:14,984 --> 00:14:17,024 Speaker 1: way for the character he's playing. All this sort of stuff, 341 00:14:17,144 --> 00:14:18,864 Speaker 1: and he also says he's reading a book at the 342 00:14:18,904 --> 00:14:22,704 Speaker 1: moment about the Beatles, and he says he also reads, 343 00:14:23,024 --> 00:14:24,064 Speaker 1: he reads, guys. 344 00:14:24,304 --> 00:14:27,224 Speaker 2: He reads. Yeah, I agree. I think that part's really interesting, 345 00:14:27,304 --> 00:14:30,224 Speaker 2: especially that we know that it's like essentially four films 346 00:14:30,264 --> 00:14:33,304 Speaker 2: about each character, and he's playing Paul McCartney, who is 347 00:14:33,384 --> 00:14:38,784 Speaker 2: arguably the most famous. Yeah, and that he like he 348 00:14:38,824 --> 00:14:41,584 Speaker 2: loves Paul McCartney so much. He's really the whole interview, 349 00:14:41,624 --> 00:14:43,224 Speaker 2: Oh my god, the ending of the interview just gave 350 00:14:43,264 --> 00:14:45,104 Speaker 2: me the biggest egg. I just remembered it. 351 00:14:45,384 --> 00:14:47,824 Speaker 1: But so much coming guy. 352 00:14:48,344 --> 00:14:51,584 Speaker 2: I think he's like so so in love with what 353 00:14:51,624 --> 00:14:53,784 Speaker 2: he does, which is so fine to be, like, you're 354 00:14:53,864 --> 00:14:55,544 Speaker 2: so fine to be in love with what you do. 355 00:14:55,944 --> 00:14:59,544 Speaker 2: But then when you're trying really really hard to convince 356 00:14:59,584 --> 00:15:02,624 Speaker 2: people that there's a reason why you love something, it 357 00:15:02,704 --> 00:15:04,104 Speaker 2: comes across so cringe. 358 00:15:04,384 --> 00:15:06,264 Speaker 1: Well, he doesn't want people to think he's cringe because 359 00:15:06,264 --> 00:15:07,144 Speaker 1: he's talking about the book. 360 00:15:07,184 --> 00:15:09,144 Speaker 2: He is, you know he is. 361 00:15:09,344 --> 00:15:10,944 Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying he's tak Can had the book 362 00:15:10,944 --> 00:15:13,144 Speaker 1: and he said the book's been making him cry. And 363 00:15:13,184 --> 00:15:17,184 Speaker 1: then he goes, it's so moving, It's so moving. Okare 364 00:15:17,264 --> 00:15:20,624 Speaker 1: to say twice I was crying so much? And then 365 00:15:20,664 --> 00:15:23,664 Speaker 1: she writes, he catches himself and grins, and then he says, 366 00:15:24,184 --> 00:15:27,624 Speaker 1: do people just think I'm crying all the time? He says, 367 00:15:27,944 --> 00:15:30,904 Speaker 1: tucking into a second drink that has seemed to materialize 368 00:15:30,944 --> 00:15:34,744 Speaker 1: in front of him. I'm not. I hate crying. I 369 00:15:34,744 --> 00:15:37,504 Speaker 1: couldn't tell you the last time I cried before last Sunday, 370 00:15:37,544 --> 00:15:40,144 Speaker 1: for example. So what you cried on Sunday? This happened 371 00:15:40,144 --> 00:15:41,424 Speaker 1: on like Tuesday? What does he mean? 372 00:15:41,624 --> 00:15:44,584 Speaker 2: Can you just imagine her being like being her sitting 373 00:15:44,624 --> 00:15:46,744 Speaker 2: opposite him. She didn't even ask him a freaking question. 374 00:15:46,904 --> 00:15:49,584 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm prompted. 375 00:15:49,704 --> 00:15:52,184 Speaker 2: He just went on that rambay and then he. 376 00:15:52,144 --> 00:15:54,624 Speaker 1: Said he declines to go into what made him cry 377 00:15:54,744 --> 00:15:57,504 Speaker 1: last Sunday. So I got to say, this is a daily. 378 00:15:57,344 --> 00:15:59,544 Speaker 2: Like he's going in. He's like, it made me cry 379 00:15:59,624 --> 00:16:01,224 Speaker 2: so much? Do people think I cry? Oh my god, 380 00:16:01,224 --> 00:16:02,704 Speaker 2: I don't cry that much except for last Sunday. But 381 00:16:02,744 --> 00:16:04,384 Speaker 2: I don't cry that much. Is fine, But don't ask 382 00:16:04,384 --> 00:16:07,184 Speaker 2: me why I cry. That's weird you ask me why cry. 383 00:16:07,584 --> 00:16:08,384 Speaker 2: I'm a private person. 384 00:16:08,424 --> 00:16:09,584 Speaker 1: So I was like, he's about to cry right now. 385 00:16:09,624 --> 00:16:11,504 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god. Actually, like throughout this whole 386 00:16:11,504 --> 00:16:13,944 Speaker 2: into you, I actually genuinely can't tell how many questions 387 00:16:14,024 --> 00:16:14,624 Speaker 2: she asked him. 388 00:16:14,784 --> 00:16:16,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. Well, I guess you don't always put 389 00:16:16,544 --> 00:16:18,264 Speaker 1: your questions in that you don't write. Then I asked this. 390 00:16:18,344 --> 00:16:20,304 Speaker 1: Then I asked that, So she's only putting him in. 391 00:16:20,344 --> 00:16:22,904 Speaker 1: So I mean, don't maybe defend Paul Mescal, but I 392 00:16:22,944 --> 00:16:25,624 Speaker 1: think this part of the interview with a crying conversation 393 00:16:25,784 --> 00:16:29,184 Speaker 1: is happening. It's the second day of their hangout together. 394 00:16:29,464 --> 00:16:32,024 Speaker 1: This woman spent nearly two full days with Paul Mescal, 395 00:16:32,384 --> 00:16:35,184 Speaker 1: and one was them buying drinks and cigarettes. Then they 396 00:16:35,184 --> 00:16:37,104 Speaker 1: went for a really long walk together. The next day, 397 00:16:37,144 --> 00:16:40,864 Speaker 1: they meet at a secret pub that he when he 398 00:16:40,944 --> 00:16:42,944 Speaker 1: was doing a theater run. He frequented it all the 399 00:16:42,984 --> 00:16:45,264 Speaker 1: time and he still goes there and he tells her 400 00:16:45,344 --> 00:16:47,464 Speaker 1: not to tell anyone about it. And it's in the 401 00:16:47,544 --> 00:16:51,144 Speaker 1: article I checked, because you know what the name wasn't it? No, No, 402 00:16:51,264 --> 00:16:54,264 Speaker 1: the one of the first pubs they went to. Okay, Okay, 403 00:16:54,584 --> 00:16:56,824 Speaker 1: maybe it isn't there is that when they call it's 404 00:16:56,824 --> 00:16:57,984 Speaker 1: called like the. 405 00:16:57,624 --> 00:16:59,904 Speaker 2: Balls or something. Yeah, the Rocky. 406 00:16:59,624 --> 00:17:02,464 Speaker 1: Balls, Yeah, something like that. We won't give it away. 407 00:17:02,504 --> 00:17:04,224 Speaker 2: It's not going to be that, I promise you. But 408 00:17:04,264 --> 00:17:04,824 Speaker 2: that's just I. 409 00:17:04,784 --> 00:17:07,144 Speaker 1: Think that's their first pub they when they meant to 410 00:17:07,184 --> 00:17:08,984 Speaker 1: go through the park. I don't think she names them 411 00:17:09,024 --> 00:17:10,384 Speaker 1: the second one because you just. 412 00:17:10,504 --> 00:17:12,024 Speaker 2: Well, that's not there for the pub because I need 413 00:17:12,024 --> 00:17:12,704 Speaker 2: public No. 414 00:17:12,704 --> 00:17:15,104 Speaker 1: I know about Paul mescal that's his one little refuge 415 00:17:15,104 --> 00:17:16,664 Speaker 1: in the world where he goes to have a drink. 416 00:17:17,104 --> 00:17:19,624 Speaker 1: And you just know that if that was made public, 417 00:17:19,624 --> 00:17:21,344 Speaker 1: that that's his spot he goes all the time. That 418 00:17:21,424 --> 00:17:24,104 Speaker 1: he would just be filled with screaming girls every day 419 00:17:24,384 --> 00:17:26,944 Speaker 1: looking for a photo with him, and then he'll cry 420 00:17:27,664 --> 00:17:30,384 Speaker 1: and then and it's eaving because they're sitting in the 421 00:17:30,424 --> 00:17:32,624 Speaker 1: secret pub and he's like, and then they have musicians 422 00:17:32,624 --> 00:17:34,584 Speaker 1: setting up and they have drinks and he goes, hey, 423 00:17:34,624 --> 00:17:36,504 Speaker 1: the lads are all here, Hey lads. Someone's like, do 424 00:17:36,544 --> 00:17:38,184 Speaker 1: these people know Paul? Is he a local? Is he 425 00:17:38,224 --> 00:17:40,224 Speaker 1: just some random I can just imagine this old man 426 00:17:40,264 --> 00:17:43,624 Speaker 1: going huh. They're like, why is that young man who's 427 00:17:43,624 --> 00:17:45,304 Speaker 1: always in here crying? Now he's brought like a nice 428 00:17:45,344 --> 00:17:51,024 Speaker 1: young woman in reading the book crying and he doesn't 429 00:17:51,024 --> 00:17:53,704 Speaker 1: say anything about his love life. He says, he gets 430 00:17:53,864 --> 00:17:55,184 Speaker 1: very embarrassed for a while. 431 00:17:55,344 --> 00:17:56,784 Speaker 2: I feel like he was cheering up when he was 432 00:17:56,784 --> 00:17:57,224 Speaker 2: saying this. 433 00:17:57,264 --> 00:17:59,664 Speaker 1: He was crying saying this, and Alex is like, I 434 00:17:59,664 --> 00:18:01,344 Speaker 1: can't put this in the article because it's it's just 435 00:18:01,664 --> 00:18:04,624 Speaker 1: I'll crucify this man if I do. She's had to 436 00:18:04,664 --> 00:18:07,144 Speaker 1: protect him because he gets asked about his relationship, and 437 00:18:07,184 --> 00:18:09,184 Speaker 1: apparently he paused for a long time. He didn't know 438 00:18:09,184 --> 00:18:11,144 Speaker 1: what to say, and then he's like, excludas, I don't 439 00:18:11,144 --> 00:18:13,064 Speaker 1: know what to say about that, but I'm not gonna 440 00:18:13,104 --> 00:18:13,624 Speaker 1: talk about it. 441 00:18:13,664 --> 00:18:15,784 Speaker 2: I don't know what to say about that, but actually 442 00:18:15,824 --> 00:18:18,504 Speaker 2: I do, but I don't want to talk about it. 443 00:18:18,504 --> 00:18:20,224 Speaker 2: Because it's very important to me, and he. 444 00:18:20,224 --> 00:18:23,264 Speaker 1: Said very precious to me. So we know that he 445 00:18:23,384 --> 00:18:26,104 Speaker 1: and Gracie Abrams have been dating for quite a while. 446 00:18:26,144 --> 00:18:27,904 Speaker 2: Now they've gone So this is the only reason why 447 00:18:27,944 --> 00:18:29,464 Speaker 2: people wanted to read this interview to. 448 00:18:29,384 --> 00:18:31,744 Speaker 1: Find out about Gracie. Yes, yeah, I mean I see, 449 00:18:31,784 --> 00:18:33,584 Speaker 1: like people always very fascinated with him. 450 00:18:33,664 --> 00:18:36,144 Speaker 2: They talk so much about each other without talking about 451 00:18:36,144 --> 00:18:39,064 Speaker 2: each other, Like remember when she did that massive cosmo Yeah, 452 00:18:39,104 --> 00:18:41,704 Speaker 2: and that whole thing was about like her sex life 453 00:18:41,704 --> 00:18:45,024 Speaker 2: and sex positivity and like relationships and not one that 454 00:18:45,104 --> 00:18:45,584 Speaker 2: she mentioned. 455 00:18:46,064 --> 00:18:47,864 Speaker 1: I know. I think they know that there's so much 456 00:18:47,864 --> 00:18:50,224 Speaker 1: interest in their relationship. Once they say anything, it'll just 457 00:18:50,264 --> 00:18:53,384 Speaker 1: blow up. And they're both very of the like we're artists. 458 00:18:53,384 --> 00:18:55,264 Speaker 1: We're not here for the fame or here for the money. 459 00:18:55,264 --> 00:18:56,144 Speaker 1: We're just here to make art. 460 00:18:56,184 --> 00:18:58,784 Speaker 2: Even think she asked him about Daisy ed goad Jones. 461 00:18:59,104 --> 00:19:01,064 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't think he and Daisy egg Jones 462 00:19:01,104 --> 00:19:01,784 Speaker 1: ever hooked up. 463 00:19:02,024 --> 00:19:04,784 Speaker 2: I don't think they might have, but I think they will. Really, 464 00:19:04,944 --> 00:19:07,544 Speaker 2: they genuinely believe they're meant to be together. 465 00:19:07,704 --> 00:19:10,864 Speaker 1: I just love the idea that they're just best friends 466 00:19:11,024 --> 00:19:12,664 Speaker 1: going to be together. They would just be together. It's 467 00:19:12,704 --> 00:19:15,304 Speaker 1: been so many years, it's the fact, and they're together 468 00:19:15,344 --> 00:19:15,944 Speaker 1: all the time. 469 00:19:16,144 --> 00:19:20,104 Speaker 2: He mentions her in every single interview, loves her. He 470 00:19:20,184 --> 00:19:24,384 Speaker 2: loves a friends so much. No, it's more than he 471 00:19:24,424 --> 00:19:28,144 Speaker 2: loves us so much. When Joseph Quinn was like, what 472 00:19:28,264 --> 00:19:31,224 Speaker 2: celebrity looks like me, he literally, without skipping a big 473 00:19:31,304 --> 00:19:35,744 Speaker 2: goes get sometimes and he was like, no, no. 474 00:19:37,504 --> 00:19:39,384 Speaker 1: Do you think that he just thinks everyone looks a 475 00:19:39,424 --> 00:19:41,344 Speaker 1: bit like Daisy good Jones because he's always looking for 476 00:19:41,384 --> 00:19:42,064 Speaker 1: her in the crowd. 477 00:19:43,624 --> 00:19:44,344 Speaker 2: I do think that. 478 00:19:45,944 --> 00:19:48,224 Speaker 1: Can I tell you my most surprising moment from this 479 00:19:48,264 --> 00:19:52,104 Speaker 1: whole thing, this whole three thousand something would piece of 480 00:19:52,664 --> 00:19:55,624 Speaker 1: really just performative art from Paul Mesco walking the streets 481 00:19:55,624 --> 00:19:59,104 Speaker 1: of London pretending to smoke cigarettes in his little shorts, 482 00:19:59,624 --> 00:20:01,504 Speaker 1: is that they get into the fact that he kind 483 00:20:01,544 --> 00:20:03,104 Speaker 1: of grew up as a golden boy, which I feel 484 00:20:03,104 --> 00:20:05,624 Speaker 1: like he keeps under wraps that he was a jocket school. 485 00:20:05,624 --> 00:20:09,304 Speaker 1: And then he was like, yeah, that's what I'm getting to. 486 00:20:09,584 --> 00:20:11,824 Speaker 1: So he was like jock at school. He was like 487 00:20:12,064 --> 00:20:15,184 Speaker 1: the sporty guy. Everyone loved him. Everyone at school loved him. 488 00:20:15,184 --> 00:20:17,904 Speaker 1: His family adored him, like his brother and sister obsessed 489 00:20:17,944 --> 00:20:20,184 Speaker 1: with him, and they really paint him as like kind 490 00:20:20,184 --> 00:20:22,104 Speaker 1: of different. He's painted himself. I think in the past 491 00:20:22,144 --> 00:20:24,704 Speaker 1: is like a little bit of like the artsy underground guy. 492 00:20:24,824 --> 00:20:26,224 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, so you were like the 493 00:20:26,304 --> 00:20:27,704 Speaker 1: school hero prom care. 494 00:20:27,824 --> 00:20:30,024 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I was very close to his role 495 00:20:30,304 --> 00:20:33,544 Speaker 2: in normal people. Yeah, like in high school because he 496 00:20:33,584 --> 00:20:37,864 Speaker 2: played football and he was really good, apparently according to 497 00:20:37,904 --> 00:20:38,424 Speaker 2: this interview. 498 00:20:38,664 --> 00:20:40,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, he says he was really said it was really good. 499 00:20:40,584 --> 00:20:43,104 Speaker 2: He also broke his nose, which is why he was 500 00:20:43,504 --> 00:20:46,944 Speaker 2: he was able to play the gladiator so well because 501 00:20:46,944 --> 00:20:49,424 Speaker 2: he just looked so roman That's what she says. 502 00:20:49,504 --> 00:20:51,184 Speaker 1: She says, like it was before a game and they 503 00:20:51,184 --> 00:20:53,864 Speaker 1: were practicing with the football and someone throw a football 504 00:20:53,864 --> 00:20:56,104 Speaker 1: and I think the correct phrasing from the interview is 505 00:20:56,144 --> 00:20:57,984 Speaker 1: he boofed it, which I think means he hit it 506 00:20:57,984 --> 00:20:58,464 Speaker 1: with his head. 507 00:20:58,544 --> 00:21:00,584 Speaker 2: I think he also said he missed his previous notes. 508 00:21:00,704 --> 00:21:03,584 Speaker 1: Yeah, he mourned his previous nose because apparently he had 509 00:21:03,624 --> 00:21:04,424 Speaker 1: a perfect face. 510 00:21:04,464 --> 00:21:06,744 Speaker 2: I love to see if I do think that nose 511 00:21:07,064 --> 00:21:09,504 Speaker 2: would have made him like him. Breaking his nose has 512 00:21:09,504 --> 00:21:10,344 Speaker 2: made him so much better. 513 00:21:11,024 --> 00:21:12,344 Speaker 1: What do you think because he looks a bit more 514 00:21:12,384 --> 00:21:13,824 Speaker 1: like like floor. 515 00:21:14,144 --> 00:21:15,744 Speaker 2: Yeah, you want a man with a little floor. 516 00:21:15,824 --> 00:21:18,584 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want a perfect note. I love to 517 00:21:18,624 --> 00:21:21,024 Speaker 1: see the old nose just to compare and contrast. But yes, 518 00:21:21,144 --> 00:21:24,344 Speaker 1: apparently he broke his nose. It healed badly, and he 519 00:21:24,384 --> 00:21:26,344 Speaker 1: said he mourns his old nose. But then he said 520 00:21:26,344 --> 00:21:28,704 Speaker 1: he had this like reckoning in high school. I love 521 00:21:28,744 --> 00:21:30,984 Speaker 1: how everyone has like a past darkness that they draw on, 522 00:21:31,104 --> 00:21:34,464 Speaker 1: and Paul Mescal's past darkness and hard time that he 523 00:21:34,584 --> 00:21:37,584 Speaker 1: draws on is that he was torn between being the 524 00:21:37,584 --> 00:21:39,784 Speaker 1: star of the football team and the star of the 525 00:21:39,824 --> 00:21:42,704 Speaker 1: school play. He said. The direct quote from him is 526 00:21:43,024 --> 00:21:45,304 Speaker 1: it got a bit Troy Bolton esque for a while. 527 00:21:45,864 --> 00:21:48,104 Speaker 1: And I said, I literally ghased as I was reading 528 00:21:48,104 --> 00:21:50,544 Speaker 1: the article, because I'm like, sir, are you quoting high 529 00:21:50,584 --> 00:21:51,264 Speaker 1: school musical? 530 00:21:51,344 --> 00:21:53,424 Speaker 2: No, you know why he quoted it. Me and Paul 531 00:21:53,464 --> 00:21:56,424 Speaker 2: Mescal are the exact same age. Yeah, we were the 532 00:21:56,504 --> 00:22:00,304 Speaker 2: high school musical generation. Like we were like it was 533 00:22:00,344 --> 00:22:02,744 Speaker 2: a perfect age for us, Like we were obsessed with 534 00:22:02,784 --> 00:22:05,304 Speaker 2: high school musicalal it was the movie of our generation. 535 00:22:05,864 --> 00:22:08,384 Speaker 2: So I know as a kid, he watched that and 536 00:22:08,384 --> 00:22:10,984 Speaker 2: I was like, I'm going to do that. Well, yeah, 537 00:22:11,064 --> 00:22:12,344 Speaker 2: I don't think it was a push and pull. I 538 00:22:12,344 --> 00:22:14,264 Speaker 2: think it was very much football going, you're not good 539 00:22:14,264 --> 00:22:15,784 Speaker 2: at this, go into theater. 540 00:22:16,144 --> 00:22:18,744 Speaker 1: Because he paints it as I never thought i'd see 541 00:22:18,744 --> 00:22:21,384 Speaker 1: the day where poor Mescal comes out as a closeted 542 00:22:21,464 --> 00:22:24,184 Speaker 1: high school musical fan, but the day has come, because 543 00:22:24,224 --> 00:22:27,344 Speaker 1: he does say that he was really torn between football 544 00:22:27,464 --> 00:22:29,504 Speaker 1: and theater, and people made him feel like he had 545 00:22:29,504 --> 00:22:30,664 Speaker 1: to choose, and he didn't want to choose. 546 00:22:30,664 --> 00:22:32,784 Speaker 2: He wanted to be Troe Bolton and do both. Yeah, 547 00:22:32,824 --> 00:22:36,344 Speaker 2: but I don't believe that. I honestly believe that they 548 00:22:36,384 --> 00:22:38,664 Speaker 2: were like, just do theater, like it's what you're good at. 549 00:22:39,024 --> 00:22:40,504 Speaker 1: Yeah, that he was now and he was like, oh 550 00:22:40,544 --> 00:22:41,104 Speaker 1: what do I do? 551 00:22:41,144 --> 00:22:42,704 Speaker 2: They both want me on both sides, and they're like, 552 00:22:42,744 --> 00:22:46,264 Speaker 2: we are telling you do theater. You're not good at football. 553 00:22:46,584 --> 00:22:48,984 Speaker 2: He broke your nose in practice, not even in an 554 00:22:49,024 --> 00:22:51,984 Speaker 2: actual game. Like, just go do theater. You'll be fine. 555 00:22:52,024 --> 00:22:54,024 Speaker 2: He's like, what the way I do? It's so hard, 556 00:22:54,144 --> 00:22:56,024 Speaker 2: it's so hard being me tro Bolton. 557 00:22:56,184 --> 00:22:58,264 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you were so off him. It's crazy. 558 00:22:58,304 --> 00:23:00,664 Speaker 1: You know what else? Okay, So okay, it's the way 559 00:23:00,664 --> 00:23:02,744 Speaker 1: we ad the beme part. Yeah, yeah, okay, great, this 560 00:23:02,944 --> 00:23:03,584 Speaker 1: was up everyone. 561 00:23:03,664 --> 00:23:05,864 Speaker 2: Actually the interview that made me pissed off and but 562 00:23:05,984 --> 00:23:06,784 Speaker 2: pushed me over the line. 563 00:23:06,784 --> 00:23:07,264 Speaker 1: Oh okay. 564 00:23:07,424 --> 00:23:11,224 Speaker 2: I started having a bad taste for mescal because he 565 00:23:11,344 --> 00:23:14,104 Speaker 2: did a previous interview where he was asked, what is 566 00:23:14,144 --> 00:23:16,824 Speaker 2: your pet peeve? Do you remember this? No, guess what 567 00:23:16,864 --> 00:23:17,224 Speaker 2: he said? 568 00:23:17,664 --> 00:23:18,424 Speaker 1: Rude people? 569 00:23:18,864 --> 00:23:23,744 Speaker 2: He said laziness. Oh, he said people who are lazy. 570 00:23:23,944 --> 00:23:25,344 Speaker 1: How is his pet peeve? 571 00:23:26,384 --> 00:23:28,584 Speaker 2: I'm like, how does me being lazy have anything to. 572 00:23:28,544 --> 00:23:30,904 Speaker 1: Do with you? Well, if he's ez these people just 573 00:23:30,944 --> 00:23:33,104 Speaker 1: sitting and he's like, get up, get up from that. 574 00:23:33,184 --> 00:23:35,504 Speaker 1: SA Like if he said to you hate Emily, do 575 00:23:35,504 --> 00:23:37,304 Speaker 1: you want to come and get some pink G and 576 00:23:37,344 --> 00:23:38,984 Speaker 1: t's and watch High School Musical and you said no, 577 00:23:39,024 --> 00:23:40,344 Speaker 1: I'm too lazy. He hate that. 578 00:23:40,504 --> 00:23:42,104 Speaker 2: I know. I just be like I'm just like, yeah, 579 00:23:42,184 --> 00:23:45,304 Speaker 2: I'm just at home, just chilling. He'd be like, you lazy, 580 00:23:45,984 --> 00:23:49,024 Speaker 2: and that is my pet peeve. I hate and her laziness. 581 00:23:49,024 --> 00:23:51,624 Speaker 2: But like that as a pet peeve when it's like 582 00:23:51,744 --> 00:23:53,144 Speaker 2: has nothing to do you know what I mean? 583 00:23:53,704 --> 00:23:54,784 Speaker 1: Usually pet peeve. 584 00:23:54,544 --> 00:23:56,264 Speaker 2: Has some massive impact on your life. 585 00:23:56,704 --> 00:23:59,264 Speaker 1: Yeah, he just hates laziness. I'm going to be honest, 586 00:23:59,344 --> 00:24:01,424 Speaker 1: I'm not as upset as you about And. 587 00:24:01,504 --> 00:24:03,184 Speaker 2: For me, no, it was the one thing where I 588 00:24:03,184 --> 00:24:05,744 Speaker 2: was like, I immediately went and that is the day 589 00:24:05,784 --> 00:24:07,624 Speaker 2: I realized Paul Mescal is just hot. 590 00:24:07,824 --> 00:24:11,304 Speaker 1: But is a question mem When we saw him, Emily 591 00:24:11,344 --> 00:24:12,864 Speaker 1: and I was just going to get that means okay, 592 00:24:13,064 --> 00:24:15,544 Speaker 1: well here we are, you can say it. So Emily 593 00:24:15,584 --> 00:24:17,344 Speaker 1: and I were up very close and personal with Paul 594 00:24:17,384 --> 00:24:20,104 Speaker 1: Mescal when he came to Australia for the Gladia premiere 595 00:24:20,544 --> 00:24:22,664 Speaker 1: and it's hot in there. I'll be the first to 596 00:24:22,664 --> 00:24:24,824 Speaker 1: say it. My hair also looks bad in those premieres. 597 00:24:25,064 --> 00:24:26,864 Speaker 1: I was sweating too. I was also annoyed there were 598 00:24:26,864 --> 00:24:28,064 Speaker 1: too many people. It was intense. 599 00:24:28,664 --> 00:24:29,504 Speaker 2: He looked like every. 600 00:24:29,344 --> 00:24:31,944 Speaker 1: Celebrity in those situations except bar a few. They all 601 00:24:31,984 --> 00:24:37,184 Speaker 1: look tired and tiny and sweaty and paler than you 602 00:24:37,344 --> 00:24:40,344 Speaker 1: think and just little broken human beings. And that's what 603 00:24:40,384 --> 00:24:42,584 Speaker 1: Paul Mescal looked like. We didn't even like him any less. 604 00:24:42,664 --> 00:24:46,144 Speaker 2: He didn't have like the celebrity glow. He wasn't rugged like, 605 00:24:46,184 --> 00:24:49,664 Speaker 2: he didn't look like Zendeia, he didn't look like Tom Cruise. 606 00:24:50,024 --> 00:24:51,544 Speaker 2: He didn't have that like celebrity. 607 00:24:51,824 --> 00:24:54,064 Speaker 1: He doesn't have the aura of a celebrity, Like if 608 00:24:54,104 --> 00:24:56,104 Speaker 1: you were to he would love you saying that, though 609 00:24:56,104 --> 00:24:58,184 Speaker 1: I actually don't think he wants the aura of a celebrity. 610 00:24:58,584 --> 00:24:59,984 Speaker 2: I don't want to care if I make him happy. 611 00:25:00,024 --> 00:25:02,024 Speaker 1: Okay, So I keep fearing you guys are broken arm. 612 00:25:02,744 --> 00:25:04,104 Speaker 2: If you like walk past him on the street, you 613 00:25:04,104 --> 00:25:04,984 Speaker 2: wouldn't do a double take. 614 00:25:05,144 --> 00:25:08,104 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like he could run the marathon without a fake name. Yes, 615 00:25:08,624 --> 00:25:09,424 Speaker 1: him around. 616 00:25:09,224 --> 00:25:11,744 Speaker 2: Side by side harryst and everyone will be like, look 617 00:25:11,744 --> 00:25:12,144 Speaker 2: at Harry's. 618 00:25:12,384 --> 00:25:13,904 Speaker 1: I was like, who's that guy really existed? 619 00:25:16,464 --> 00:25:18,984 Speaker 2: He's going into a nondescript pub, no. 620 00:25:19,064 --> 00:25:21,544 Speaker 1: One's saying the name. He'll cry, He's drinking about and 621 00:25:22,704 --> 00:25:22,984 Speaker 1: the right. 622 00:25:23,664 --> 00:25:26,704 Speaker 2: I think he's struggling with his celebritiness right now, like 623 00:25:26,744 --> 00:25:29,664 Speaker 2: it he feels like he doesn't know what he wants, 624 00:25:29,704 --> 00:25:32,144 Speaker 2: Like he feels like he's holding on so tightly to 625 00:25:32,344 --> 00:25:35,864 Speaker 2: his everyday life because he does, like talk a lot 626 00:25:35,904 --> 00:25:39,624 Speaker 2: about his family and how much he loves being around 627 00:25:39,624 --> 00:25:44,064 Speaker 2: his siblings and his family. And I feel like he 628 00:25:44,144 --> 00:25:46,024 Speaker 2: is now in a position where he knows that he 629 00:25:46,064 --> 00:25:49,024 Speaker 2: has to be extra cautious and keeping those things private, 630 00:25:49,024 --> 00:25:51,224 Speaker 2: and he's just kind of in this crossroads of like 631 00:25:51,624 --> 00:25:53,144 Speaker 2: how much do I want to show to the world 632 00:25:53,264 --> 00:25:55,744 Speaker 2: versus how much can I keep private without becoming a meme. 633 00:25:55,904 --> 00:25:57,824 Speaker 1: Now that he's got to make a star girlfriend, now 634 00:25:57,824 --> 00:26:00,384 Speaker 1: that he's in Blockbusters, it is a different world to 635 00:26:00,464 --> 00:26:03,584 Speaker 1: that first hit of popularity he had from normal people, 636 00:26:03,584 --> 00:26:05,264 Speaker 1: because that could have faded away very quickly. 637 00:26:05,304 --> 00:26:07,744 Speaker 2: Yeah, because that happened also in COVID, and then he 638 00:26:07,784 --> 00:26:10,024 Speaker 2: was getting a ton of followers, and then he obviously 639 00:26:10,064 --> 00:26:12,184 Speaker 2: freaks immediately put his Instagram on private. 640 00:26:12,264 --> 00:26:13,984 Speaker 1: So fair like, there are only two people I know. 641 00:26:13,904 --> 00:26:15,944 Speaker 2: Who follow him on Instagram because they followed him straight 642 00:26:15,944 --> 00:26:17,104 Speaker 2: after normal people got related. 643 00:26:17,144 --> 00:26:18,544 Speaker 1: Oh did you with you that quick? 644 00:26:19,024 --> 00:26:21,104 Speaker 2: I wasn't. They also haven't watched normal people. 645 00:26:21,464 --> 00:26:23,744 Speaker 1: Oh that's right. I always forget that you he was 646 00:26:23,784 --> 00:26:26,944 Speaker 1: your celebrity crush for so long and you never watched him. 647 00:26:28,024 --> 00:26:29,384 Speaker 2: Was Gladiator and he was great in that. 648 00:26:30,424 --> 00:26:31,864 Speaker 1: Chris, not on the red carpet. 649 00:26:31,624 --> 00:26:33,784 Speaker 2: Just on the red carpet. But I think it was 650 00:26:33,864 --> 00:26:36,984 Speaker 2: mainly not this interview with a laziness comment that pushed 651 00:26:37,024 --> 00:26:37,904 Speaker 2: me over the edge. 652 00:26:37,904 --> 00:26:39,864 Speaker 1: Why do you think that is? Because can I say 653 00:26:40,024 --> 00:26:43,704 Speaker 1: your reaction is very fair, It's an extreme reaction. I 654 00:26:43,704 --> 00:26:45,664 Speaker 1: don't think most people would have that reaction. Why do 655 00:26:45,664 --> 00:26:47,784 Speaker 1: you think you feel so triggered by that? I think 656 00:26:47,784 --> 00:26:49,944 Speaker 1: it was I wish we could have this therapy. 657 00:26:50,064 --> 00:26:51,624 Speaker 2: I think it was the idea that, like when you 658 00:26:51,704 --> 00:26:54,784 Speaker 2: have a big celebrity crush, Yeah, the best thing about 659 00:26:54,824 --> 00:26:56,464 Speaker 2: having a crush is that you don't know that much 660 00:26:56,464 --> 00:26:56,944 Speaker 2: about them. 661 00:26:57,024 --> 00:26:59,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you you had this belief that you could 662 00:26:59,224 --> 00:27:01,744 Speaker 1: be together if you can that personality and then you 663 00:27:01,744 --> 00:27:04,864 Speaker 1: can like do something. Daydreams and frequents our neighborhood. He's 664 00:27:04,904 --> 00:27:07,624 Speaker 1: been in bars and pubs in our like shared neighborhood, 665 00:27:07,824 --> 00:27:09,904 Speaker 1: So it's not out of the realm of possibility that one. 666 00:27:09,824 --> 00:27:12,144 Speaker 2: Day you could have into him because he lives next door. 667 00:27:12,184 --> 00:27:15,584 Speaker 2: But okay, just imagine you're on a dating app. You're swiping. 668 00:27:15,664 --> 00:27:17,944 Speaker 2: You see a beautiful Paul mescal. 669 00:27:17,664 --> 00:27:19,064 Speaker 1: Look, I see a little broken nose. 670 00:27:19,104 --> 00:27:21,144 Speaker 2: Do you see the broken nose? He looks gorgeous. There's 671 00:27:21,184 --> 00:27:24,304 Speaker 2: one he's got the lyrics to high school musical of 672 00:27:24,384 --> 00:27:26,024 Speaker 2: him and like fantomlyther, you go bro. The next one, 673 00:27:26,024 --> 00:27:26,904 Speaker 2: he's playing football. 674 00:27:26,944 --> 00:27:30,584 Speaker 1: He doesn't all he's soon and then you have the prompts. 675 00:27:31,344 --> 00:27:34,584 Speaker 2: The first prompt you see my pet peeve lazy people 676 00:27:35,024 --> 00:27:37,184 Speaker 2: what are you gonna do? You're gonna swipe left if 677 00:27:37,184 --> 00:27:39,104 Speaker 2: someone asks you a question that broad and you go 678 00:27:39,184 --> 00:27:39,984 Speaker 2: into laziness. 679 00:27:39,984 --> 00:27:40,704 Speaker 1: That's so true. 680 00:27:40,744 --> 00:27:42,744 Speaker 2: I was so personal. It's so weird. 681 00:27:42,824 --> 00:27:45,304 Speaker 1: It's slipe left the no one yes, okay. 682 00:27:47,024 --> 00:27:48,344 Speaker 2: And I just think it was just one of those 683 00:27:48,344 --> 00:27:50,464 Speaker 2: things where I'm like, I feel like it says more 684 00:27:50,504 --> 00:27:52,664 Speaker 2: about him than just I don't like lazy people. 685 00:27:52,784 --> 00:27:55,224 Speaker 1: Okay. Oh, I mean, I don't mean to that rumors. 686 00:27:55,224 --> 00:27:56,464 Speaker 1: Do you think it's like a bit of fat phobia 687 00:27:56,504 --> 00:28:00,704 Speaker 1: in there? That's not a broad swing. That's what people 688 00:28:00,744 --> 00:28:02,264 Speaker 1: say is code a lot of the time. I think 689 00:28:02,264 --> 00:28:03,144 Speaker 1: it's I don't want to put it on. 690 00:28:04,224 --> 00:28:07,584 Speaker 2: It's very like alpha male is, where it's like, what 691 00:28:07,624 --> 00:28:09,064 Speaker 2: are you doing if you're not doing the most at 692 00:28:09,064 --> 00:28:09,464 Speaker 2: all times? 693 00:28:09,544 --> 00:28:09,704 Speaker 1: Yeah? 694 00:28:09,944 --> 00:28:10,584 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 695 00:28:10,784 --> 00:28:13,104 Speaker 1: Why do you think that's an odd He has been brought. 696 00:28:12,904 --> 00:28:15,584 Speaker 2: Up in like a privilege like society, like he hasn't 697 00:28:15,624 --> 00:28:17,984 Speaker 2: like we obviously don't know much about his home life, 698 00:28:17,984 --> 00:28:19,704 Speaker 2: but there's like no evidence of him talking about like 699 00:28:19,744 --> 00:28:21,864 Speaker 2: struggling as a kid or anything like that. Like he's 700 00:28:21,904 --> 00:28:24,184 Speaker 2: been brought up in a big family, in a big home, 701 00:28:24,704 --> 00:28:26,544 Speaker 2: And I think it's just one of those things where 702 00:28:27,184 --> 00:28:30,064 Speaker 2: if that's your answer to a question that's so so broad, 703 00:28:30,424 --> 00:28:32,184 Speaker 2: and you're not afraid of that being your answer, then 704 00:28:32,224 --> 00:28:33,464 Speaker 2: that says a lot about you. 705 00:28:33,584 --> 00:28:36,784 Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, the fall of poor Mescal before our eyes. 706 00:28:37,424 --> 00:28:38,864 Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm so passionate did this? 707 00:28:38,944 --> 00:28:41,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean you're going through a breakup. He's 708 00:28:41,224 --> 00:28:42,304 Speaker 1: not the man and he thought he was. 709 00:28:42,384 --> 00:28:45,584 Speaker 2: And the ending just gave me the biggest He started 710 00:28:45,624 --> 00:28:49,984 Speaker 2: singing where he's like man's plaining, like he's been playing 711 00:28:50,024 --> 00:28:53,544 Speaker 2: guitar for two seconds left handed, and then he started 712 00:28:53,584 --> 00:28:56,304 Speaker 2: like man'splaining the techniques of like they were watching a 713 00:28:56,344 --> 00:28:58,984 Speaker 2: band in the pub and he was like explaining like 714 00:28:59,544 --> 00:29:03,184 Speaker 2: how they're making music. He was literally like, see how 715 00:29:03,384 --> 00:29:05,304 Speaker 2: she's like singing and he's trying to get the cord 716 00:29:05,344 --> 00:29:07,864 Speaker 2: and he's trying to watch her hand to be able 717 00:29:07,904 --> 00:29:10,624 Speaker 2: to do that, and then he just starts singing and 718 00:29:10,784 --> 00:29:11,544 Speaker 2: that's how it ends. 719 00:29:11,624 --> 00:29:16,024 Speaker 1: So she was probably so traumatized just off from walked away. 720 00:29:16,264 --> 00:29:17,264 Speaker 2: The world doesn't need to hear. 721 00:29:17,184 --> 00:29:20,144 Speaker 1: This, Oh, like, did the cover do anything to inspire 722 00:29:20,224 --> 00:29:23,504 Speaker 1: your aus? Because he's they've literally put dirt on that 723 00:29:23,544 --> 00:29:26,904 Speaker 1: man and they've blasted his face with face tuned to 724 00:29:27,144 --> 00:29:29,504 Speaker 1: all hell. I think they refixed his notes. 725 00:29:29,544 --> 00:29:32,424 Speaker 2: All the photos are very this one photo where he's 726 00:29:32,464 --> 00:29:37,624 Speaker 2: lying on a butsh yeah, onto something like dead brand. 727 00:29:38,104 --> 00:29:39,384 Speaker 1: He was trying to be very active. This one where 728 00:29:39,384 --> 00:29:41,544 Speaker 1: he's like leaping in the air. But the cover photo 729 00:29:41,544 --> 00:29:43,664 Speaker 1: they picked is him like on the floor, kind of 730 00:29:43,704 --> 00:29:48,344 Speaker 1: like straddling the ground, and then someone's put mud all over. Yeah, 731 00:29:48,424 --> 00:29:50,024 Speaker 1: it was very solid to show that he's a man. 732 00:29:50,064 --> 00:29:50,384 Speaker 1: I think. 733 00:29:50,544 --> 00:29:53,544 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they like, don't forget, don't forget this man cries. 734 00:29:53,344 --> 00:29:57,304 Speaker 1: Look at this dirty man. Well, I'm sorry for your breakup. 735 00:29:57,664 --> 00:30:00,704 Speaker 2: I thought the interview, like, this interview is brilliant. I 736 00:30:00,784 --> 00:30:01,864 Speaker 2: want to read all of her work. 737 00:30:02,024 --> 00:30:03,784 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so good. The way she painted a 738 00:30:03,784 --> 00:30:06,384 Speaker 1: picture of him. It's a little bit damning for poor Mescal. 739 00:30:06,424 --> 00:30:08,984 Speaker 2: Who would You're right, Like, I have friends who read 740 00:30:08,984 --> 00:30:10,624 Speaker 2: this interview because this was a big topic in our 741 00:30:10,664 --> 00:30:13,624 Speaker 2: girl group chat. Really and I like where half and half, 742 00:30:13,664 --> 00:30:15,344 Speaker 2: like half of them are like this made him like 743 00:30:15,424 --> 00:30:18,584 Speaker 2: look so good, Like it's so amazing to see men talking, 744 00:30:18,584 --> 00:30:20,464 Speaker 2: and then it is like it is too like men, 745 00:30:20,584 --> 00:30:22,824 Speaker 2: especially Hollywood men. I feel like it's only this new 746 00:30:22,864 --> 00:30:25,704 Speaker 2: generation that they're talking about like their vulnerable side and 747 00:30:26,064 --> 00:30:28,464 Speaker 2: to therapy, and a man saying that I go to 748 00:30:28,544 --> 00:30:32,864 Speaker 2: therapy is like so incredibly important, especially for other men who. 749 00:30:32,824 --> 00:30:35,144 Speaker 1: Cannot think of like coming up through my teen years 750 00:30:35,264 --> 00:30:37,624 Speaker 1: or even like all the big movie star alpha male 751 00:30:37,704 --> 00:30:40,584 Speaker 1: action heroes that I grew up watching in movies and 752 00:30:40,584 --> 00:30:43,624 Speaker 1: then the next crop that came before them, anyone talking 753 00:30:43,704 --> 00:30:44,424 Speaker 1: the way he does. 754 00:30:44,544 --> 00:30:46,504 Speaker 2: And I think that's so so important for like the 755 00:30:46,544 --> 00:30:49,544 Speaker 2: broadest society. And but it's I think it's just like 756 00:30:49,584 --> 00:30:52,264 Speaker 2: the people who were obsessed with him like I was, 757 00:30:52,464 --> 00:30:55,104 Speaker 2: who read every interview about him, who thought they knew 758 00:30:55,184 --> 00:30:59,064 Speaker 2: everything about him, like reading something like, oh, this just 759 00:30:59,544 --> 00:31:02,224 Speaker 2: seems like like my worst life every day ever. 760 00:31:03,384 --> 00:31:05,984 Speaker 1: Well, well, Lincoln in the show notes the interview that 761 00:31:06,064 --> 00:31:08,904 Speaker 1: made Emily Vernon fall out of love with Paul mescal 762 00:31:09,704 --> 00:31:11,024 Speaker 1: Toy Bolton. He'd like to be. 763 00:31:10,984 --> 00:31:15,264 Speaker 2: Called I would DATEO Bolton though, yeah, anyone would. Thank 764 00:31:15,344 --> 00:31:18,304 Speaker 2: you so much for listening to this episode of the Spill. 765 00:31:18,544 --> 00:31:20,544 Speaker 2: Do not forget that you can watch all of our 766 00:31:20,664 --> 00:31:23,424 Speaker 2: episodes on YouTube. We'll put a link to our YouTube 767 00:31:23,504 --> 00:31:26,464 Speaker 2: channel in the show notes. And also don't forget to 768 00:31:26,504 --> 00:31:28,864 Speaker 2: listen to Morning Tea, which is a new show in 769 00:31:28,904 --> 00:31:31,904 Speaker 2: our feed. It's by Ash London and she reads off 770 00:31:31,944 --> 00:31:34,264 Speaker 2: all of the entertainment and popcast headlands you need to 771 00:31:34,264 --> 00:31:36,704 Speaker 2: know for that day. That will drop at eight am tomorrow. 772 00:31:37,144 --> 00:31:39,384 Speaker 1: Bye bye bye