WEBVTT - Little Love Stories: Three Daughters, One Bond

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to a Mother Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, it's Grace from this Glorious mess introducing hot Pod Summer.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one hundred hours of curated listening across the Mumma

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy with the kids at home and the weather warming up.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna share some episodes of Little Love Stories. Little

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<v Speaker 2>Love Stories is an open hearted conversation with someone who

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<v Speaker 2>has loved to share that love can be anything, a

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<v Speaker 2>time in someone's life, a person, or even an object.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all about discovering the magic everywhere you look. So

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you enjoy this episode of Little Love Stories.

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<v Speaker 3>I love you, how you live You.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Little Love Stories. I'm Grace Rubrey. The moment

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<v Speaker 2>you become a parent is surreal looking down at this squishy,

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<v Speaker 2>slippery newborn on your chest, caught up in the whirlwind

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<v Speaker 2>of emotion that this is real, this actually happened. It's overwhelming, heartwarming,

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<v Speaker 2>and confusing all at once. But sometimes that beautiful early

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<v Speaker 2>bubble is also wrapped in pain, as it is for

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<v Speaker 2>today's guest, Anna waters Massy. At thirty, Anna became a

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<v Speaker 2>mother to her daughter, Cleo, and just a year later

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<v Speaker 2>she lost her own mother to cancer. Yet despite this

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<v Speaker 2>profound loss, Anna discovered something extraordinary in her bond with Cleo.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know this amazing feeling. Cleo just looked at me,

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<v Speaker 4>and I just knew Mum had gone into Cleo, not

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<v Speaker 4>as impossessed her or anything, but had gone into and

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to come out through Cleo. All her life.

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<v Speaker 4>I knew that Mum would be there.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a rare, incredible connection some mothers and daughters share,

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<v Speaker 2>one that Anna and Cleo are lucky enough to experience.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though Cleia never met her grandmother, that love still

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<v Speaker 2>weaves through their relationship, tying generations together.

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<v Speaker 4>Cleo and I are very both. I would say she's

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<v Speaker 4>probably my best friend, and I feel like that is

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<v Speaker 4>through Mum being such a huge part of her.

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<v Speaker 2>And then another bond forms, one that strengthens even further

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<v Speaker 2>when a new life enters the world. The day Anna

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<v Speaker 2>became a grandmother and Cleo welcomed her daughter, Indigo, a

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<v Speaker 2>new chapter of their shared journey began.

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<v Speaker 4>When in the hospital room and to see my daughter

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<v Speaker 4>holding a baby, I just lost it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a story of four generations of women and

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<v Speaker 2>the connection they have to each other. But before we

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<v Speaker 2>get there, I asked some of the parents at the

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<v Speaker 2>Mum of Mea office what it felt like the day

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<v Speaker 2>they became a parent.

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<v Speaker 3>I vividly remember when I gave birth to my first

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<v Speaker 3>They plunked him on my chest. People talk about oh

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<v Speaker 3>my god, instant love. I was just like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>what is this like. It took my brain time to

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<v Speaker 3>process that this thing that had been growing inside me

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<v Speaker 3>that was now this like red, little naked ball of

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<v Speaker 3>human was actually my child. And I just remember that

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<v Speaker 3>being my first memory, like, oh my god. It was

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<v Speaker 3>almost like shock. Honestly, it is hard to put into

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<v Speaker 3>words what I felt when I first saw my child

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<v Speaker 3>for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember having warm tingles all throughout my body.

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<v Speaker 2>I was smiling like crazy, and I kept.

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<v Speaker 1>Thinking to myself, Wow, this little boy, he's my son.

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<v Speaker 5>Not really about my baby, but my moment of realization

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<v Speaker 5>was when I accident did a shit in the shower

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<v Speaker 5>while on the eapy dural and then squished it down

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<v Speaker 5>the drain before the midwife saw it because I didn't

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<v Speaker 5>want her to have to clean it.

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<v Speaker 6>Aside from my husband's sister posting our hospital room pick

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<v Speaker 6>that we privately shared to our family on Facebook, the

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<v Speaker 6>most pivotal memory from the day I first became a

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<v Speaker 6>parent would have to be when the nurse set that weird, squishy,

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<v Speaker 6>covered in gross stuff baby on my chest, and I

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<v Speaker 6>just remember thinking, Holy, look what I made. And then

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<v Speaker 6>that was very closely followed by oh my God, what

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<v Speaker 6>do I do now? And then realizing that everything would

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<v Speaker 6>be different from that point on.

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<v Speaker 4>My heart cracked open. It's an indescribable feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>One moment, we were two, the next week were three.

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<v Speaker 7>All my children were born very prematurely, but I remember

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<v Speaker 7>very clearly with my eldest boy that after seventy two

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<v Speaker 7>hour labor, I was holding him in my arms, just

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<v Speaker 7>before he was taken off to Nikou, and his eyes

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<v Speaker 7>were wide open. He was so alert, and he was

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<v Speaker 7>just staring up at me as if to say, who

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<v Speaker 7>on earth are you? And what on Earth is going on,

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<v Speaker 7>And that's the moment that I realized I was actually

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<v Speaker 7>a mum.

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<v Speaker 2>Anna, can you tell me what you remember the most

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<v Speaker 2>about the day that you became a mother?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, it was long, It was tedious. When

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<v Speaker 4>Cleo came out, I just actually could not believe that

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<v Speaker 4>I made a person. I knew I was going to

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<v Speaker 4>have a baby, but until I looked at her and went,

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<v Speaker 4>oh my god, like it's actually a real baby, it

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<v Speaker 4>just blew me away. It was like freaking amazing. It

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<v Speaker 4>is the biggest miracle in the world. It really is.

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<v Speaker 2>Our bodies are fascinating.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and you just make them, like you just make

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<v Speaker 4>another person. That just blows me away. It still does.

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<v Speaker 2>In your piece, you talk about the special relationship of

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<v Speaker 2>grandparents and that you never really knew your grandparents. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>your mother died when Cleo was only one, so she

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<v Speaker 2>never got to have that full experience of a grandmother

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<v Speaker 2>through your side. But Cleo and your mother have a bond.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you notice in those early days after your

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<v Speaker 2>mother died.

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<v Speaker 4>It was so bizarre because Mum gave Cleo a little

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<v Speaker 4>teddy bear that she calls Nanny Waters. I've always said

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<v Speaker 4>Nanny Waters this with you. You know, put the teddy

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<v Speaker 4>in the cot And there was a day when I

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<v Speaker 4>was feeding her and it was after Mum died, and

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know this amazing feeling. Cleo just looked at

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<v Speaker 4>me and I just knew Mum had gone into Cleo,

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<v Speaker 4>not as in possessed her or anything, but just like

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<v Speaker 4>had gone into and was going to come out through

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<v Speaker 4>Cleo all her life. I knew that Mum would be there.

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<v Speaker 4>It was really spiritual, very special.

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<v Speaker 2>What are some of the signs that you've seen that

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<v Speaker 2>part of her spirit is in Cleo.

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<v Speaker 4>When she was little in the cot, she would giggle

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<v Speaker 4>and laugh and I just knew someone was in there

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<v Speaker 4>playing with her, and I just knew it was Mum.

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<v Speaker 4>As she got older, her little teddy, Nanny Waters when

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<v Speaker 4>everywhere with her. Still as an adult, Nanny Waters goes

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<v Speaker 4>everywhere with her. Cleo talks about her as if she's here.

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<v Speaker 4>She has this really strong connection with her. It's quite bizarre.

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<v Speaker 4>Cleo has her own podcast and she talks about it

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<v Speaker 4>in depth on that she's her guardian angel. She talks

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<v Speaker 4>to her all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you take me back to the day that you

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<v Speaker 2>found out that you were going to be a grandmother,

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<v Speaker 2>and there is a TikTok video that has almost thirty

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<v Speaker 2>million views. Can you explain what happens in that video

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<v Speaker 2>and then how you felt when you found out.

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<v Speaker 4>It's pretty crazy. So Cleo and Luke, her husband, came around.

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<v Speaker 4>We were all there. We were going out for my

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<v Speaker 4>husband's birthday, so everyone was giving gifts anyway. So Cleo

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<v Speaker 4>gave a gift to my husband and it was a

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<v Speaker 4>onesie and straight away me and my son and son's

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<v Speaker 4>girlfriend we all knew that meant Cleo was pregnant. My

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<v Speaker 4>husband picked it up and thought it was for the

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<v Speaker 4>dog and was, oh my god, it's for crumpet. In

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<v Speaker 4>the video, you can see me and my son, who

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<v Speaker 4>keeps swearing all the way through it, just going oh

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<v Speaker 4>my god, oh my god. Only they're not the words

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<v Speaker 4>my son uses. There's a lot of swearing we all know,

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<v Speaker 4>and my husband doesn't know. And then when he finally

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<v Speaker 4>clocks on, he turns to Luke who's holding the camera,

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<v Speaker 4>and just rushes towards him to hugin, which is just gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just hilarious and funny. We didn't think anyone else

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<v Speaker 4>would find it funny, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously thirty million people did.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how did you feel when you at that moment?

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<v Speaker 2>Because Cleo leans forward to you. It seems like you

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<v Speaker 2>have such a special bond with Cleo that, Yeah, she

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<v Speaker 2>just needed you to know that information. And it had

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<v Speaker 2>been so long that she'd been holding off telling you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it was only like a matter of weeks.

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<v Speaker 4>But she was so ill. And she turns to me

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<v Speaker 4>and she just says, Oh, I've been so sick, and

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<v Speaker 4>starts crying, and I'm crying. We're all just crying and screaming. Really,

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<v Speaker 4>but we are. Cleo and I are very close. I

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<v Speaker 4>would say she's probably my best friend, and I feel

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<v Speaker 4>like that is through Mum being such a huge part

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<v Speaker 4>of her.

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<v Speaker 2>Social Media tells only one side of the story. But

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<v Speaker 2>from the outside, it seems like you have one of

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<v Speaker 2>those magic families, you know, the families that you look

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<v Speaker 2>at you go surely you don't all get along, Surely

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<v Speaker 2>it's not also beautiful and shiny all the time. But

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<v Speaker 2>from the outside, that is what it looks like. And

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<v Speaker 2>I know that you have such a beautiful story of

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<v Speaker 2>how you even met your husband. Yeah, So there seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be like there's a little bit of magic in

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<v Speaker 2>your family.

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<v Speaker 4>I like to think so. I mean, we obviously every

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<v Speaker 4>now and then you get shitty with each other. Everyone does,

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<v Speaker 4>Everyone niggles each other, but we all have a very

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<v Speaker 4>stupid sense of humor, and I think that really binds

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<v Speaker 4>us all. And we've been so lucky with our children's

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<v Speaker 4>partners that they get us. I don't know, we just

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<v Speaker 4>we get along. We like each other, and yeah, you're right.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I met my husband when I was nine. He

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<v Speaker 4>was my brother's best friend, which is just bizarre, and

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<v Speaker 4>ended up marrying him. Yeah, We've had lots of hard things,

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<v Speaker 4>like my mum dying when I was young, but you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I have been blessed with my kids and what's happening now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Cleo had quite a clear birth plan and a

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<v Speaker 2>clear manifestation of what she wanted, and you're right about that.

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<v Speaker 2>In your little love story said that she did it

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<v Speaker 2>better than you did. Can you tell me what you

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<v Speaker 2>would have changed about your own births based on what

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<v Speaker 2>Cleo did.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we just weren't so aware of what we

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<v Speaker 4>could do and the birth that I had, but clear

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<v Speaker 4>was still great and amazing and I got to do

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of what I wanted to do, but she

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<v Speaker 4>just took control of it, and she had a dueler

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<v Speaker 4>and she had prepared. I didn't know about all these

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<v Speaker 4>breathing techniques, and she didn't even have any medication. But

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, yes, give me the Meathodene, is there more?

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<v Speaker 4>Can I have another hit? Please? Where's the gas? If

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<v Speaker 4>I'd known and been in more control, I think it

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<v Speaker 4>would have been more spiritual and beautiful like Cleo's was.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you talk me through the first time that you

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<v Speaker 2>saw Indigo and then also seeing your baby with a baby.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, now a mum, seriously, Grace. I did not expect it.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, I'm so excited, can't wait to get

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<v Speaker 4>in there. I just want to meet in to go, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>how beautiful, you know, like when in the hospital room

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<v Speaker 4>and to see my daughter holding a baby, I just

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<v Speaker 4>lost it. I didn't even look at India. I just

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<v Speaker 4>went straight for Cleo and just hugged her and cried.

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<v Speaker 4>It was just oh my god, my little girl is

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<v Speaker 4>now a mother, and it was just amazing, just amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>And then obviously I looked at India and then fell

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<v Speaker 4>in love with her. But just seeing Clee, oh, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know. It just plew me away.

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<v Speaker 2>You said that it's deepened your love for Cleo.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you think that is? I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 4>think seeing her as a mother, seeing how beautiful she

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<v Speaker 4>is with Indy, seeing how much Loop loves her, and

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<v Speaker 4>how beautiful they are together, and just I just see

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<v Speaker 4>her on a different level. She gets me. She's said

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<v Speaker 4>to me so many times since Indigo was born. I

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<v Speaker 4>get it now. So because I used to say to her,

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<v Speaker 4>you will never love anyone the way that I love you, Clee.

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<v Speaker 4>The mother's love for a child is just phenomenal. The

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<v Speaker 4>umbilical cordin never breaks. I've always known when Cleo's upset

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<v Speaker 4>or Joey, my son. I know when there's something wrong

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<v Speaker 4>because I feel it in my gup. I know it

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<v Speaker 4>before they ring me. And I've said that to her

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<v Speaker 4>so many times, and she's like, no, no, Mommy, don't.

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<v Speaker 4>She was worried that she wouldn't have enough love for

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<v Speaker 4>Indigo because she loved the dog so much. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>trust me, And now she says to me, oh, I

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<v Speaker 4>get it, I get it now.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that love instant? When they've popped on your check?

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes it's not because sometimes it's such a shock. I

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<v Speaker 4>think for me with Joey it was maybe a day.

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<v Speaker 4>His birth was really difficult, and I think every birth

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<v Speaker 4>is difficult. And that's the thing. When it's really difficult

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<v Speaker 4>and painful, you've gone through some hard stuff. Sometimes you're

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<v Speaker 4>just so exhausted and you just can't feel. And you

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<v Speaker 4>shouldn't feel guilty for that either, because every birth is

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<v Speaker 4>different and your body goes through a massive trauma having

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<v Speaker 4>a baby. The love you feel for a child is

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<v Speaker 4>just overwhelming. I would kill I would kill people to

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<v Speaker 4>keep them safe. It's not even a question. If my

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<v Speaker 4>child was threatened in any way, I would die for them.

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<v Speaker 4>You actually would.

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<v Speaker 2>What is the difference between the love that you feel

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<v Speaker 2>for Indigo and being a grandmother. What are the instincts

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<v Speaker 2>that take over in that situation.

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<v Speaker 4>So I thought being a grandmother was like, oh god,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to be granny. You know, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 4>be old. It's going to make me old. Totally the opposite.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought I was going to be very nervous, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>looking after a child that wasn't mine. I don't feel

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<v Speaker 4>that at all. I feel really confident and comfortable, and

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<v Speaker 4>I feel younger. It's brought back memories that i'd forgotten

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<v Speaker 4>of my two when they were younger. You're just like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>that's right. That's how you put an appy on, or

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<v Speaker 4>that's how you dress them in that outfit. It just

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<v Speaker 4>comes back to you and makes me feel younger, which.

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<v Speaker 2>You do talk about in the piece that you feel

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<v Speaker 2>younger and you don't feel like that stereotypical grandmother. What

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<v Speaker 2>do you feel like you've gained that has given you

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<v Speaker 2>more energy, or more time or more I guess, just

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<v Speaker 2>what have you gained by becoming a.

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<v Speaker 4>Grandmother, patients? I think when I was a mother, it

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<v Speaker 4>was like a hurry up beneath to get here because

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<v Speaker 4>I had no help. I had no help. We moved

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<v Speaker 4>into state as well, and my husband's parents were really elderly,

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<v Speaker 4>and they died not long after when the kids were

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<v Speaker 4>still quite young. So I was always on the computer,

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<v Speaker 4>breastfeeding Cleo. I was trying to do a million things

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<v Speaker 4>at once. Now, when Indigo comes over, like she's just gone,

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<v Speaker 4>I just sit there, sit there and look at her toes,

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<v Speaker 4>play with the little fingers and it's a little face

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<v Speaker 4>and talk googo gago like sing nonsense. I just go

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<v Speaker 4>that can all wait, got emails to answer, I need

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<v Speaker 4>to phone so and so I'm just saying, eh, little

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<v Speaker 4>wait because this time's so precious. In a blink of

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<v Speaker 4>an eye, it's gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Perspective is a wonderful thing. I want to acknowledge the

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<v Speaker 2>grief that you felt in the moment that you're getting

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<v Speaker 2>to share something with Cleo that you and your mum

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<v Speaker 2>did and get to experience of all the little moments

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<v Speaker 2>that you've got to have over these past few months.

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<v Speaker 2>What are some things that you wish that you had

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<v Speaker 2>with your mum?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh so much. Cue the tears, Grace, I'm trying not

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<v Speaker 4>to cry so I can talk properly. Oh, I missed

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<v Speaker 4>out on so much because as soon as you have

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<v Speaker 4>a baby, like I said about Cleo, you get it

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<v Speaker 4>all of a sudden. It's like a light switch and

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<v Speaker 4>you go, oh my god, Now I get what mum

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<v Speaker 4>was on about all of a sudden. I had a

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<v Speaker 4>different relationship with my mum, but she was going through chemo,

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<v Speaker 4>so I couldn't share really anything with her. She couldn't

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<v Speaker 4>enjoy Cleo as a baby. Just so much that you

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<v Speaker 4>can ask people, you know, Cleo asks me how long

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<v Speaker 4>did you breast people? How long did this hurt? Did

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<v Speaker 4>that hurt? How long did it take for this that

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<v Speaker 4>and the up it to happen? When did I get

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<v Speaker 4>my first tooth? When did I sit up? I couldn't

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<v Speaker 4>ask Mum any of that, and they didn't keep baby books,

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<v Speaker 4>and my brothers wouldn't know, and dad's dad lost the

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<v Speaker 4>plot when Mum died. He really just went into himself

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<v Speaker 4>until he died himself. So I just I couldn't ask

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<v Speaker 4>any of those things. You want to know, all those

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<v Speaker 4>motherly things.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that something that you're trying to do with Cleo

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<v Speaker 2>now is to document, to share, to create a space

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<v Speaker 2>that you wish that you have.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, absolutely take pictures, take videos. The photos I have

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<v Speaker 4>of me and Mum are I was a baby and

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<v Speaker 4>then maybe two when I was ten. None as an adult,

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<v Speaker 4>because you are selfish when you're growing up and you're

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<v Speaker 4>a teenager and you're in your twenties, you're just too

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<v Speaker 4>selfish and you're not taking pictures with your parents, you're

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<v Speaker 4>taking them with your friends. I don't have photos. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>trying always to make sure that Cleo and I have

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<v Speaker 4>photos as well, that I've got photos with India and videos.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have videos of Mum talking. I want to

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<v Speaker 4>hear her voice again. You know, just so many things.

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<v Speaker 2>There are four generations of women in this story, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're right about that. And the piece by sharing what

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<v Speaker 2>is quite a beautiful, actual scientific fact of how all

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<v Speaker 2>connected you are. Could you share what that is and

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<v Speaker 2>why you love that so much?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's amazing. So I might get this kind of wrong,

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<v Speaker 4>but basically, when I gave birth to Cleo, she had

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<v Speaker 4>all the eggs that she would have for her lifetime,

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<v Speaker 4>so indigo was in her. So indigo was a part

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<v Speaker 4>of me. It's like, what is that kind of mind blowing?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's crazy, it's so so crazy and sadly, as

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<v Speaker 2>you said at the peaks, the men don't get that. No,

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<v Speaker 2>not that they're not important, No, they just don't get

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<v Speaker 2>that beautiful connection that women get.

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<v Speaker 4>No, because the sperm is it takes to puberty, I

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<v Speaker 4>think till they build their sperm, so it's not a

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<v Speaker 4>part of them from when they're born, whereas with women,

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<v Speaker 4>we're born with all the eggs that we will have,

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<v Speaker 4>so they are a part of your mother already. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Another way that we end every little love Stories is

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<v Speaker 2>that we ask what does love mean to you? And

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<v Speaker 2>that can be just today, right now, in this second.

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<v Speaker 2>But what comes to mind when I ask what does

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<v Speaker 2>love mean to you?

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<v Speaker 4>Family? It's just family. Like everyone else comes and goes,

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<v Speaker 4>but family is always there. And the fact that even

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<v Speaker 4>though I lost my mum, I so feel like she's

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<v Speaker 4>still there and so does Cleo. Like, how amazing is that?

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<v Speaker 4>It's beautiful?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for sharing your little love story.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all right, Thank you for listening to Little Love Stories.

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<v Speaker 2>you can go to the link in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 2>Anna also has some very silly tiktoks and skits about menopause.

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<v Speaker 2>If you would like to have a laugh, We've also

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<v Speaker 2>are also in our show notes. Little Love Stories is

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