1 00:00:10,705 --> 00:00:13,425 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:13,945 --> 00:00:17,465 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,505 --> 00:00:19,225 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:21,025 --> 00:00:23,865 Speaker 1: Whoever said orange is a new pink with seriously deserved 5 00:00:24,025 --> 00:00:26,425 Speaker 1: laurels for spraying groundbreaking? 6 00:00:26,665 --> 00:00:28,945 Speaker 3: Oh my god, you have to do it. You live 7 00:00:29,065 --> 00:00:29,745 Speaker 3: for fashion. 8 00:00:31,145 --> 00:00:33,345 Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Nothing to Air, the podcast that 9 00:00:33,385 --> 00:00:36,345 Speaker 2: solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee 10 00:00:36,465 --> 00:00:39,945 Speaker 2: Campbell and I have a gift for you today. Someone 11 00:00:39,985 --> 00:00:43,225 Speaker 2: came into the office incognito. I snuck them in before 12 00:00:43,265 --> 00:00:46,345 Speaker 2: anyone could pick up who it was. It's Fashion and Critical. 13 00:00:46,785 --> 00:00:47,425 Speaker 1: If you don't know. 14 00:00:47,345 --> 00:00:50,345 Speaker 2: Who I'm talking about, well no one really does because 15 00:00:50,385 --> 00:00:52,065 Speaker 2: they are anonymous. 16 00:00:52,145 --> 00:00:52,825 Speaker 1: They're an enigma. 17 00:00:53,225 --> 00:00:55,545 Speaker 2: They have three hundred and fifty thousand people in their 18 00:00:55,545 --> 00:00:58,065 Speaker 2: community on Facebook and about one hundred and twenty thousand 19 00:00:58,105 --> 00:01:02,745 Speaker 2: on Instagram and they're basically Australia's fashion gossip girl. 20 00:01:02,905 --> 00:01:03,585 Speaker 1: Anonymous. 21 00:01:03,625 --> 00:01:06,625 Speaker 2: They commentate any red carpet from the logis here in 22 00:01:06,665 --> 00:01:10,785 Speaker 2: Australia right through to the Oscars and recently Fashion. 23 00:01:10,465 --> 00:01:12,625 Speaker 1: Critical also wrote a book about just that. 24 00:01:13,025 --> 00:01:16,385 Speaker 2: And they're joining me today incognito in disguise to talk 25 00:01:16,465 --> 00:01:19,065 Speaker 2: all things fashion and red carpet, the things that go 26 00:01:19,145 --> 00:01:21,505 Speaker 2: on behind the scenes, and the celebrities that get very 27 00:01:21,545 --> 00:01:23,425 Speaker 2: cranky when she comments on their outfits. 28 00:01:23,865 --> 00:01:27,025 Speaker 1: Fashion Critical. Welcome to Nothing to Wear. 29 00:01:27,785 --> 00:01:30,025 Speaker 2: I couldn't tell anyone in the office that you were 30 00:01:30,025 --> 00:01:33,185 Speaker 2: coming because you would have been attacked and that thing 31 00:01:33,225 --> 00:01:34,785 Speaker 2: would have been taken off your head and your true 32 00:01:34,865 --> 00:01:35,825 Speaker 2: identity revealed. 33 00:01:36,305 --> 00:01:38,705 Speaker 1: But it is so exciting to have you here. Now. 34 00:01:39,025 --> 00:01:41,065 Speaker 2: Before we get into the topic, which is basically you, 35 00:01:41,585 --> 00:01:45,745 Speaker 2: I ask new guests the same few questions. Describe your 36 00:01:45,785 --> 00:01:48,545 Speaker 2: style Fashion Critical in three words. 37 00:01:48,425 --> 00:01:58,025 Speaker 3: Eclectic, unpredictable, and unhinged. Yes at times, Yeah. 38 00:01:57,825 --> 00:01:59,745 Speaker 1: I love it. I was going to say extravagant. 39 00:02:00,625 --> 00:02:04,145 Speaker 3: I'm not extravagant visually but not financially. 40 00:02:04,745 --> 00:02:08,465 Speaker 1: Yes, no, but like it can be a lot, It 41 00:02:08,505 --> 00:02:10,185 Speaker 1: can be a lot. I like it. 42 00:02:10,785 --> 00:02:12,865 Speaker 2: Okay, this is going to be interesting to hear how 43 00:02:12,945 --> 00:02:16,785 Speaker 2: you answer this. Most people have a wardrobe, but they 44 00:02:16,785 --> 00:02:19,625 Speaker 2: wear ten percent of that wardrobe ninety percent of the time. 45 00:02:20,025 --> 00:02:22,225 Speaker 2: The rest they love but don't really reach for. There's 46 00:02:22,225 --> 00:02:25,145 Speaker 2: a core amount of items that they wear over and 47 00:02:25,145 --> 00:02:27,185 Speaker 2: over again. Fashion Critical, what do you wear over and 48 00:02:27,225 --> 00:02:27,625 Speaker 2: over again? 49 00:02:27,665 --> 00:02:30,425 Speaker 3: I don't know if I should admit to this. Active 50 00:02:30,425 --> 00:02:33,185 Speaker 3: where lies not joking, I don't know if I should 51 00:02:33,185 --> 00:02:36,745 Speaker 3: say that. If I'm not seeing anyone, I'm all about 52 00:02:36,945 --> 00:02:39,905 Speaker 3: being comfy. But I would say in summer, it's very 53 00:02:40,025 --> 00:02:42,785 Speaker 3: much like little summer dresses. I love just having like 54 00:02:42,945 --> 00:02:45,785 Speaker 3: putting on one thing, not having to put bottom and top, 55 00:02:45,985 --> 00:02:47,825 Speaker 3: just the one thing, and it's all like loose and 56 00:02:47,865 --> 00:02:48,745 Speaker 3: floaty and nice. 57 00:02:48,985 --> 00:02:50,985 Speaker 1: And so you've got your little floaty summer dress on. 58 00:02:51,105 --> 00:02:52,385 Speaker 1: What have you got covering? Face? 59 00:02:53,505 --> 00:02:56,465 Speaker 3: Well, you'd be surprised to know that I am able 60 00:02:56,505 --> 00:02:59,665 Speaker 3: to walk around freely in public without my head covering 61 00:02:59,665 --> 00:03:01,065 Speaker 3: because nobody knows who I am. 62 00:03:01,185 --> 00:03:03,105 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, you're like Sea? It was it Sea? 63 00:03:03,385 --> 00:03:06,705 Speaker 3: Yes, you're grug Yes? Or like blanket. When Michael Jackson 64 00:03:06,785 --> 00:03:08,545 Speaker 3: used to put the blanket over his face and then 65 00:03:08,705 --> 00:03:10,625 Speaker 3: he could go to pre school, it's called blanket. He 66 00:03:10,745 --> 00:03:13,585 Speaker 3: was called blanket. That's what I thought. Always us your name, No, 67 00:03:13,705 --> 00:03:15,025 Speaker 3: his name's Prince Michael. 68 00:03:15,265 --> 00:03:18,465 Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, fashion critical. Let's start with your backstory. 69 00:03:19,265 --> 00:03:22,185 Speaker 2: You started out as a street sweeper in Gunda, guys, 70 00:03:22,385 --> 00:03:24,665 Speaker 2: so tell me about that is a family business. 71 00:03:24,905 --> 00:03:26,385 Speaker 1: How did you get into street sweeping? 72 00:03:26,425 --> 00:03:28,185 Speaker 3: Look, I try not to talk too much about my 73 00:03:28,225 --> 00:03:30,625 Speaker 3: personal life because I don't want people, you know, turning 74 00:03:30,705 --> 00:03:33,465 Speaker 3: up when I'm on a council shift. So I'm not 75 00:03:33,505 --> 00:03:38,425 Speaker 3: going to divulge that. But that is my day job 76 00:03:38,625 --> 00:03:40,985 Speaker 3: when I'm not critiquing the fashions of. 77 00:03:40,945 --> 00:03:44,665 Speaker 2: The rich and payment still street sweep indeed, yes, yes, okay, 78 00:03:44,865 --> 00:03:48,385 Speaker 2: So street sweeping is a far cry from red carpets 79 00:03:48,385 --> 00:03:50,545 Speaker 2: in Hollywood. You know they're quite different. Well, I don't know, 80 00:03:50,585 --> 00:03:53,465 Speaker 2: I've never sweeped the street. Have you always loved fashion 81 00:03:53,545 --> 00:03:56,345 Speaker 2: and how did your commentary of celebrity outfits begin? 82 00:03:56,705 --> 00:04:00,385 Speaker 3: Firstly, I would say yes, I've loved fashion in a 83 00:04:00,425 --> 00:04:05,305 Speaker 3: way that is fun and not based in any particular knowledge, 84 00:04:05,345 --> 00:04:09,225 Speaker 3: So probably wasn't someone that would read Vogue magazine or 85 00:04:09,385 --> 00:04:12,345 Speaker 3: no witch designer was witch. But really have always loved 86 00:04:12,345 --> 00:04:14,745 Speaker 3: clothes and the joy of picking outfits and being able 87 00:04:14,745 --> 00:04:15,945 Speaker 3: to have a different look every day. 88 00:04:16,105 --> 00:04:17,865 Speaker 1: You just sometimes have a verge on your coffee table 89 00:04:17,905 --> 00:04:19,145 Speaker 1: so you look fancy correct. 90 00:04:19,385 --> 00:04:22,145 Speaker 3: Yes, and they're like the big Vogue books, Oh on 91 00:04:22,265 --> 00:04:24,825 Speaker 3: my ones. Yeah, it never opened it and how it 92 00:04:25,025 --> 00:04:29,385 Speaker 3: started was really not a very exciting story, I think. 93 00:04:29,425 --> 00:04:31,945 Speaker 3: I you know, when we were all on Facebook a 94 00:04:31,985 --> 00:04:34,145 Speaker 3: lot back in the day, guys were the day they 95 00:04:34,145 --> 00:04:38,305 Speaker 3: were they were heady days. I made an album I 96 00:04:38,345 --> 00:04:41,425 Speaker 3: think of the Oscars and I just won't go as this. 97 00:04:41,585 --> 00:04:43,945 Speaker 3: I don't know. I keep saying twenty eleven because I 98 00:04:43,985 --> 00:04:45,065 Speaker 3: think that's about right. 99 00:04:45,145 --> 00:04:46,225 Speaker 1: That feels about Ryan. 100 00:04:46,145 --> 00:04:48,265 Speaker 3: Yeah, something like that. And that would have been Facebook 101 00:04:48,345 --> 00:04:50,865 Speaker 3: prime time when you used to say, you know what 102 00:04:50,985 --> 00:04:53,905 Speaker 3: you ate for lunch? Yeah, God's humiliating. And anyway, so 103 00:04:53,945 --> 00:04:55,705 Speaker 3: I made this album. I really don't know why. I 104 00:04:55,705 --> 00:04:58,625 Speaker 3: was procrastinating, probably, and and it was kind of funny 105 00:04:58,705 --> 00:05:00,825 Speaker 3: and people laughed and commented, and then maybe I did 106 00:05:00,865 --> 00:05:01,705 Speaker 3: one more and then I. 107 00:05:01,905 --> 00:05:03,865 Speaker 1: Had you started an account as fashion Crew. 108 00:05:03,945 --> 00:05:05,665 Speaker 3: Not at this point it was just on my personal 109 00:05:05,825 --> 00:05:10,345 Speaker 3: page and then correct and then I thought, oh, I'll 110 00:05:10,345 --> 00:05:11,985 Speaker 3: make a page, you know, because that. 111 00:05:12,025 --> 00:05:13,945 Speaker 1: Was also like Verity to have a page. 112 00:05:13,985 --> 00:05:16,305 Speaker 3: So I made a page and I called it Fashion Creticon. 113 00:05:16,585 --> 00:05:19,185 Speaker 3: Zero thought was put into the name of that. And 114 00:05:19,225 --> 00:05:21,865 Speaker 3: then I started putting them on the page because I thought, 115 00:05:22,345 --> 00:05:25,385 Speaker 3: I don't really want it to impact on me professionally 116 00:05:25,425 --> 00:05:27,825 Speaker 3: in my street sweeping career. Yeah, So I made a 117 00:05:27,865 --> 00:05:30,545 Speaker 3: page and it got to the point where I thought, hm, 118 00:05:30,705 --> 00:05:32,545 Speaker 3: I think I'm onto something here, because I had two 119 00:05:32,625 --> 00:05:36,785 Speaker 3: hundred followers, and I promise you, I thought this is 120 00:05:36,825 --> 00:05:39,745 Speaker 3: really something, like I've got something here. I guess I 121 00:05:39,825 --> 00:05:42,345 Speaker 3: just kept doing it, and you know, it was very 122 00:05:42,345 --> 00:05:44,945 Speaker 3: slow burn. When you consider that it's fourteen years later. 123 00:05:45,185 --> 00:05:47,865 Speaker 2: Wow, and you're still on Facebook. You've got like three 124 00:05:47,945 --> 00:05:49,545 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand. 125 00:05:49,225 --> 00:05:50,905 Speaker 3: People something like that. I think's three hundred and twenty 126 00:05:50,905 --> 00:05:51,385 Speaker 3: five or something. 127 00:05:51,385 --> 00:05:54,185 Speaker 1: Oh sorry, I had about one hundred and twenty on Instagram. 128 00:05:53,705 --> 00:05:57,225 Speaker 3: One hundred and thirty. Oh actually, I dare you. 129 00:05:57,065 --> 00:05:58,145 Speaker 1: Your book launch, We'll get there. 130 00:05:58,225 --> 00:05:58,425 Speaker 3: Yeah. 131 00:05:58,425 --> 00:05:58,665 Speaker 2: Wow. 132 00:05:58,705 --> 00:05:59,865 Speaker 1: And so it just took off from there. 133 00:06:00,145 --> 00:06:02,945 Speaker 3: Well yeah, I guess it just kind of grew every 134 00:06:02,945 --> 00:06:04,945 Speaker 3: time I'd post an album, and people are very funny 135 00:06:04,945 --> 00:06:08,025 Speaker 3: in their comments as well. And I've never promoted it. 136 00:06:08,025 --> 00:06:10,305 Speaker 3: It's always been something that, you know, maybe someone would 137 00:06:10,305 --> 00:06:12,505 Speaker 3: tag a friend or I think what I wanted to 138 00:06:12,505 --> 00:06:14,545 Speaker 3: make sure is that anybody who was on there kind 139 00:06:14,545 --> 00:06:16,785 Speaker 3: of was there because they got the humor and they 140 00:06:16,865 --> 00:06:18,985 Speaker 3: found it funny. I never did any of that. You know, 141 00:06:19,105 --> 00:06:21,745 Speaker 3: tiger friend or you know, here's a competition. 142 00:06:21,505 --> 00:06:22,705 Speaker 1: Wasn't really a thing back then. 143 00:06:23,225 --> 00:06:25,465 Speaker 3: It became a thing. It did become a thing, and yeah, 144 00:06:25,465 --> 00:06:26,025 Speaker 3: and you know what. 145 00:06:26,065 --> 00:06:27,465 Speaker 1: It's now twenty twenty five. 146 00:06:27,505 --> 00:06:31,585 Speaker 2: I think that interestingly, in a world where we actually 147 00:06:31,585 --> 00:06:33,985 Speaker 2: need a bit more lighthearted humor, you can really cop 148 00:06:34,065 --> 00:06:36,465 Speaker 2: it for using Jess. Have you found the tide has 149 00:06:36,545 --> 00:06:38,905 Speaker 2: changed it all? With your commentary has always been very witty, 150 00:06:38,985 --> 00:06:42,465 Speaker 2: I think, very innocent, really fun. But have people change 151 00:06:42,465 --> 00:06:44,465 Speaker 2: from then to now that like you can't say that. 152 00:06:44,705 --> 00:06:48,745 Speaker 3: I think actually I get less criticism now because I 153 00:06:48,785 --> 00:06:53,105 Speaker 3: think I'm better at being funny and satirical without being 154 00:06:53,585 --> 00:06:57,385 Speaker 3: super savage. In the beginning, it was just savage of 155 00:06:57,385 --> 00:07:00,145 Speaker 3: my favorite day. Yeah it could be savage because like 156 00:07:00,265 --> 00:07:02,785 Speaker 3: most of the people on there are new and it 157 00:07:02,865 --> 00:07:04,905 Speaker 3: was just like kind of like the group chat with 158 00:07:04,945 --> 00:07:06,665 Speaker 3: your best eares where. 159 00:07:06,625 --> 00:07:08,625 Speaker 2: You didn't really forward things on then And yeah it 160 00:07:08,705 --> 00:07:10,705 Speaker 2: was yeah, but at a time. 161 00:07:10,545 --> 00:07:12,345 Speaker 3: But it was a different time one hundred percent the 162 00:07:12,345 --> 00:07:14,265 Speaker 3: things that you could get away with. And I think 163 00:07:14,305 --> 00:07:18,065 Speaker 3: the landscape of what's acceptable and what's not has changed 164 00:07:18,265 --> 00:07:22,625 Speaker 3: quite rapidly over time. Keerri Ane Kenney, the Icon attended 165 00:07:22,625 --> 00:07:25,865 Speaker 3: my book launch in Sydney last week and she got 166 00:07:25,865 --> 00:07:27,785 Speaker 3: me to sign her book and I want. 167 00:07:27,905 --> 00:07:28,945 Speaker 1: She brought her book for you to. 168 00:07:28,905 --> 00:07:30,545 Speaker 3: Say she bought one on the night and she asks 169 00:07:30,545 --> 00:07:31,225 Speaker 3: me to sign it, and. 170 00:07:31,185 --> 00:07:33,545 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, your book. I thought she brought her own book, 171 00:07:33,585 --> 00:07:34,505 Speaker 2: like I wrote this book. 172 00:07:35,785 --> 00:07:38,185 Speaker 3: Now, actually I have written a book. So she she 173 00:07:38,305 --> 00:07:41,145 Speaker 3: got me to sign my book, and I wanted very 174 00:07:41,225 --> 00:07:43,465 Speaker 3: much for her to sign my boobs, but I chickened out. 175 00:07:44,185 --> 00:07:47,105 Speaker 3: But she said to me, you know, don't go too soft. 176 00:07:47,225 --> 00:07:49,105 Speaker 3: You know, you've got to be like Joan Rivers. You've 177 00:07:49,105 --> 00:07:50,145 Speaker 3: got to very jon. 178 00:07:50,265 --> 00:07:51,185 Speaker 1: Well she's away. 179 00:07:51,385 --> 00:07:53,265 Speaker 3: No one's ever going to be Joan Rivers anyway. So yeah, 180 00:07:53,345 --> 00:07:55,425 Speaker 3: it has changed, and I've changed with it. And I 181 00:07:55,465 --> 00:07:58,385 Speaker 3: think that's your responsibility as someone I don't think of 182 00:07:58,425 --> 00:08:01,145 Speaker 3: it myself as someone who's necessarily an expert on fashion. 183 00:08:01,425 --> 00:08:03,465 Speaker 3: I really I like to make people laugh. 184 00:08:03,465 --> 00:08:04,185 Speaker 1: You're a chameleon. 185 00:08:04,425 --> 00:08:07,225 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think that you have to be able 186 00:08:07,265 --> 00:08:08,905 Speaker 3: to be fluid with the times. 187 00:08:09,145 --> 00:08:11,225 Speaker 2: Well, I was in credibly disappointed that I had to 188 00:08:11,425 --> 00:08:13,385 Speaker 2: message you the morning of the book launch and I 189 00:08:13,385 --> 00:08:17,025 Speaker 2: couldn't come because I had been to Spotlight. I didn't 190 00:08:17,105 --> 00:08:19,505 Speaker 2: use much Anomi, but I bought four meters of red 191 00:08:19,585 --> 00:08:21,505 Speaker 2: velvet and I was gonna put it over myself, and. 192 00:08:21,385 --> 00:08:23,425 Speaker 1: God was there, How are you gonna do that well, 193 00:08:23,465 --> 00:08:24,105 Speaker 1: I don't know. 194 00:08:24,705 --> 00:08:25,865 Speaker 3: That hasn't been worked out yet. 195 00:08:25,905 --> 00:08:28,865 Speaker 1: I was just gonna cut to the lisals literally. 196 00:08:28,545 --> 00:08:32,185 Speaker 3: Like a ghost. I would have collapsed with joy and happiness. 197 00:08:32,265 --> 00:08:34,425 Speaker 3: Maybe next time your Halloween costume. 198 00:08:34,545 --> 00:08:41,185 Speaker 1: Oh that's a great idea. 199 00:08:44,625 --> 00:08:47,425 Speaker 2: Okay, So you use some colorful terms to illustrate your 200 00:08:47,465 --> 00:08:50,185 Speaker 2: thoughts and feelings, and I feel like most of your 201 00:08:50,225 --> 00:08:53,545 Speaker 2: audience know by now what they are and what they 202 00:08:53,665 --> 00:08:55,905 Speaker 2: mean and how they started. But there's some people that 203 00:08:56,025 --> 00:08:59,145 Speaker 2: might not be across your fantastic colorful language. So I'm 204 00:08:59,145 --> 00:09:00,705 Speaker 2: going to name a few of them, and then you're 205 00:09:00,705 --> 00:09:01,505 Speaker 2: gonna tell me what they mean. 206 00:09:01,505 --> 00:09:04,105 Speaker 1: Okay, should have caught the bus. 207 00:09:04,185 --> 00:09:07,225 Speaker 3: So should have caught the bus means you've got creasing 208 00:09:07,585 --> 00:09:10,585 Speaker 3: on your garment, usually in the sea area, which is 209 00:09:10,585 --> 00:09:12,825 Speaker 3: another term which I photo was crotch whiskers. 210 00:09:12,825 --> 00:09:13,705 Speaker 1: Well that was on the list. 211 00:09:13,825 --> 00:09:17,105 Speaker 3: Yeah, so these two are inextricably linked. So if you 212 00:09:17,225 --> 00:09:20,025 Speaker 3: have crotch whiskers, it is typically because you arrived at 213 00:09:20,065 --> 00:09:22,425 Speaker 3: the event sitting down in a cab or a car 214 00:09:22,545 --> 00:09:25,065 Speaker 3: or a limo or whatever, which is typically how people 215 00:09:25,065 --> 00:09:28,665 Speaker 3: would arrive at red carpets. And once upon a time, 216 00:09:28,705 --> 00:09:31,225 Speaker 3: I think it was twenty ten, Cape Blanchette caught a 217 00:09:31,265 --> 00:09:34,345 Speaker 3: public bus to the Actor Awards here in Sydney because 218 00:09:34,345 --> 00:09:38,105 Speaker 3: she was wearing a silk gown. Some fabrics don't crease 219 00:09:38,145 --> 00:09:40,745 Speaker 3: a lot, and some creased terribly. So she was wearing 220 00:09:40,745 --> 00:09:43,305 Speaker 3: a silk or a satin sort of type gown. And 221 00:09:43,385 --> 00:09:45,145 Speaker 3: she just took a photo on her Instagram of her 222 00:09:45,185 --> 00:09:47,185 Speaker 3: literally standing up holding onto a pole on a Sydney 223 00:09:47,465 --> 00:09:48,145 Speaker 3: Metro bus. 224 00:09:48,145 --> 00:09:49,625 Speaker 1: A boss, so boss. 225 00:09:49,825 --> 00:09:51,545 Speaker 3: Ever since then, I was like, if I saw someone 226 00:09:51,585 --> 00:09:53,265 Speaker 3: with a creased outfit, I'd say it should have caught 227 00:09:53,265 --> 00:09:55,665 Speaker 3: the bus, you know, that would have solved that problem. 228 00:09:55,745 --> 00:09:58,825 Speaker 3: And now they do catch the bus. They go in 229 00:09:58,905 --> 00:09:59,705 Speaker 3: big tall van. 230 00:09:59,865 --> 00:10:01,625 Speaker 1: Yes, like Kim Kardashian when she had that course that 231 00:10:01,705 --> 00:10:03,345 Speaker 1: she had to go in a standing van because they. 232 00:10:03,265 --> 00:10:05,145 Speaker 3: All do it now, they all do it. They stand 233 00:10:05,225 --> 00:10:06,785 Speaker 3: up and they hold onto the pole. It's not very 234 00:10:06,825 --> 00:10:09,865 Speaker 3: safe because there's no seat belts on It's America. They 235 00:10:09,865 --> 00:10:14,065 Speaker 3: don't care, or they lie stitchers aboard on the back seat. 236 00:10:14,425 --> 00:10:17,505 Speaker 1: I like to think I should get fashion critical vans that. 237 00:10:17,545 --> 00:10:20,745 Speaker 3: I could make my next career, yes, my third career. 238 00:10:20,825 --> 00:10:23,985 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, forget street sweeping, street moving people in dresses. 239 00:10:24,025 --> 00:10:27,065 Speaker 3: I could do both. The van could have street sweepers 240 00:10:27,065 --> 00:10:27,825 Speaker 3: on the bottom. 241 00:10:28,225 --> 00:10:30,665 Speaker 1: This is genius. So crotch whiskers. That explains. 242 00:10:30,785 --> 00:10:32,345 Speaker 2: When I first saw that, I thought it mean like 243 00:10:32,385 --> 00:10:34,105 Speaker 2: I remember those jeans we used to buy that just 244 00:10:34,105 --> 00:10:36,065 Speaker 2: had the fake wrinkles that it was just. 245 00:10:35,985 --> 00:10:38,505 Speaker 3: Like the mate they're coming back, have you seen? 246 00:10:38,665 --> 00:10:41,505 Speaker 2: Yes, But we're not worry But you know Keith Urban, 247 00:10:41,545 --> 00:10:43,705 Speaker 2: I feel like he wears crotch whisker jeans. 248 00:10:44,105 --> 00:10:46,185 Speaker 3: Yeah, that checks, okay, it checks out. 249 00:10:46,585 --> 00:10:48,345 Speaker 1: Toes toes toes. 250 00:10:48,825 --> 00:10:50,785 Speaker 3: By the way, there is a glossary of terms at 251 00:10:50,825 --> 00:10:51,385 Speaker 3: the front of my. 252 00:10:51,305 --> 00:10:53,025 Speaker 1: Books, I know. So I'm about to get to your book. 253 00:10:53,065 --> 00:10:58,065 Speaker 3: You will not be, you know, lost and confused. So toes. 254 00:10:58,225 --> 00:11:00,945 Speaker 3: Everybody has them. I'm not here to toe shame anyone. 255 00:11:01,545 --> 00:11:03,345 Speaker 3: You know, you can't help it that you've got ten 256 00:11:03,385 --> 00:11:06,545 Speaker 3: little piggly wigglies down there. But what I am looking 257 00:11:06,585 --> 00:11:11,065 Speaker 3: for is if I am noticing your toees, this is 258 00:11:11,105 --> 00:11:14,465 Speaker 3: not good. I don't want them to be detracting attention 259 00:11:14,625 --> 00:11:15,385 Speaker 3: from the overall. 260 00:11:15,385 --> 00:11:15,785 Speaker 1: Look. 261 00:11:16,185 --> 00:11:18,465 Speaker 3: So there's a couple of ways that they will do this, 262 00:11:18,705 --> 00:11:21,865 Speaker 3: and sometimes despite your best efforts, it will happen. So 263 00:11:21,905 --> 00:11:23,825 Speaker 3: if you're wearing a very high heel, and it's not 264 00:11:23,945 --> 00:11:26,425 Speaker 3: a really great fit, Like it's a little bit big. 265 00:11:26,745 --> 00:11:28,785 Speaker 3: Your toes are going to splay out the front like 266 00:11:28,825 --> 00:11:29,865 Speaker 3: it's not narrow. 267 00:11:29,665 --> 00:11:31,745 Speaker 1: Enough or hang over the edge. 268 00:11:31,985 --> 00:11:34,625 Speaker 3: Yeah, they can actually make contact with the carpet, which 269 00:11:34,985 --> 00:11:37,225 Speaker 3: we don't want that, or your shoes too small, and 270 00:11:37,225 --> 00:11:39,225 Speaker 3: then you see them all like folded up. 271 00:11:39,305 --> 00:11:41,505 Speaker 2: Can I ask what about genetically if someone doesn't have 272 00:11:41,585 --> 00:11:44,145 Speaker 2: big toe to little toe, what if they're just born 273 00:11:44,225 --> 00:11:45,865 Speaker 2: with like a long middle toe. 274 00:11:46,065 --> 00:11:50,665 Speaker 3: Well that's something you have to reckon with as a person, 275 00:11:51,185 --> 00:11:54,465 Speaker 3: so correct you can just wear a closed toed shoe. 276 00:11:54,625 --> 00:11:57,425 Speaker 3: So there's nothing wrong with toes, you know, I don't 277 00:11:57,425 --> 00:11:59,265 Speaker 3: know if you've ever broken a toe, if you've ever 278 00:11:59,305 --> 00:12:01,225 Speaker 3: broken a pinky toel, you literally can't walk. You need 279 00:12:01,345 --> 00:12:05,585 Speaker 3: all ten of them. So I'm not here to shame toes. 280 00:12:05,945 --> 00:12:08,065 Speaker 3: But if you are an A list celebrity on the 281 00:12:08,065 --> 00:12:11,105 Speaker 3: red carpet, I don't want to be you really noticing 282 00:12:11,145 --> 00:12:13,465 Speaker 3: your toes. So a closed toe shoe or just a 283 00:12:13,465 --> 00:12:16,465 Speaker 3: shoe that fits and paint your toeels. Bob's you. 284 00:12:16,785 --> 00:12:18,505 Speaker 1: I am so glad I changed into these shoes right 285 00:12:18,505 --> 00:12:21,185 Speaker 1: before you got here. Bog best on ground. 286 00:12:21,465 --> 00:12:24,505 Speaker 3: Best on ground. Now that's a very Victorian term, yes, 287 00:12:24,905 --> 00:12:27,545 Speaker 3: that they use in the AFL, which I think every 288 00:12:27,625 --> 00:12:30,345 Speaker 3: game somebody is awarded best on ground, which I guess 289 00:12:30,385 --> 00:12:33,065 Speaker 3: means the best player of the match. Yeah, we don't 290 00:12:33,065 --> 00:12:35,465 Speaker 3: care about fair. We just care about who looks good. 291 00:12:35,585 --> 00:12:38,665 Speaker 3: So best on ground will be whoever I dm at 292 00:12:38,705 --> 00:12:41,665 Speaker 3: that event to be the best dressed person, and there's 293 00:12:41,665 --> 00:12:43,905 Speaker 3: a few things that will influence that. You know, it's 294 00:12:43,945 --> 00:12:46,945 Speaker 3: not the same criteria for every red carpet, So what 295 00:12:47,025 --> 00:12:49,625 Speaker 3: someone is wearing at the Grammys or the VMA Awards 296 00:12:49,625 --> 00:12:52,265 Speaker 3: obviously has a separate set of criteria to someone. 297 00:12:52,305 --> 00:12:54,985 Speaker 2: It can't so the met Gala, like if they just 298 00:12:54,985 --> 00:12:57,505 Speaker 2: go in a boring dress, they haven't played correct. 299 00:12:57,785 --> 00:13:00,905 Speaker 3: And on that note, you know, people get very very 300 00:13:00,945 --> 00:13:03,145 Speaker 3: excited about the Oscars red carpet and they say it's 301 00:13:03,185 --> 00:13:06,865 Speaker 3: it's fashion critical Christmas. It's actually very dull because people 302 00:13:06,945 --> 00:13:10,825 Speaker 3: are so perfectly put together and nobody risks because it's 303 00:13:10,905 --> 00:13:12,865 Speaker 3: very very formal. So you have a lot more fun 304 00:13:12,865 --> 00:13:14,385 Speaker 3: at the you know, it's something like the Golden Globe. 305 00:13:14,425 --> 00:13:15,865 Speaker 1: Yes, Grammys are good. 306 00:13:15,905 --> 00:13:19,465 Speaker 3: Grammys are epic. Yeah, you know, anything goes anything goes, what. 307 00:13:19,425 --> 00:13:21,865 Speaker 2: About Australia here with our football awards. That's all I 308 00:13:21,865 --> 00:13:22,585 Speaker 2: can think that we do. 309 00:13:22,825 --> 00:13:26,065 Speaker 3: Yeah, the brown Low, We've got the Logis. Of course. Now, 310 00:13:26,105 --> 00:13:29,505 Speaker 3: back in the day fashion critical would have a marvelous 311 00:13:29,545 --> 00:13:32,865 Speaker 3: time at the logis because people would wear all kinds 312 00:13:32,865 --> 00:13:37,705 Speaker 3: of things. And now everyone looks pretty good. So it is. 313 00:13:37,825 --> 00:13:39,425 Speaker 2: I did the Logans red carpet once when I was 314 00:13:39,425 --> 00:13:40,545 Speaker 2: at cost one hundred years ago. 315 00:13:40,545 --> 00:13:41,945 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you weren't there then. 316 00:13:42,305 --> 00:13:43,025 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. 317 00:13:43,105 --> 00:13:44,945 Speaker 1: It was a zimmm and dress off a friend. 318 00:13:45,105 --> 00:13:46,425 Speaker 3: But that's what people did. 319 00:13:46,585 --> 00:13:46,705 Speaker 2: Like. 320 00:13:46,745 --> 00:13:50,265 Speaker 3: They did not have stylists. They didn't have whole style teams. 321 00:13:50,305 --> 00:13:53,025 Speaker 3: You see Australian celebrities or the wags and you know 322 00:13:53,065 --> 00:13:55,305 Speaker 3: the amount of people that they thank in their Instagram posts. 323 00:13:55,305 --> 00:13:58,225 Speaker 3: There's a lot of people working to put that look together. 324 00:13:58,745 --> 00:14:01,025 Speaker 1: And so Tuesday night, let alone, the logis there. 325 00:14:01,065 --> 00:14:02,825 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so the stylists might have been, you know, 326 00:14:02,865 --> 00:14:04,665 Speaker 3: putting that output together for a couple of weeks or 327 00:14:04,785 --> 00:14:08,025 Speaker 3: even longer. So they actually scrub up. 328 00:14:08,025 --> 00:14:10,985 Speaker 1: Really well and everyone looks good, good, but boring. 329 00:14:11,105 --> 00:14:13,385 Speaker 3: It is sad. Yes, it's limiting for me and my 330 00:14:13,745 --> 00:14:15,065 Speaker 3: humorous quips. 331 00:14:15,225 --> 00:14:17,385 Speaker 1: You manage it. Okay, a few more do your hair? 332 00:14:17,785 --> 00:14:20,585 Speaker 3: Do your hair. You'll be surprised to learn that that 333 00:14:20,705 --> 00:14:22,385 Speaker 3: just means what it says. It just looks like the 334 00:14:22,385 --> 00:14:23,585 Speaker 3: person hasn't done their. 335 00:14:23,465 --> 00:14:25,905 Speaker 1: Hair, but because they're wearing such a fancy dress and 336 00:14:25,945 --> 00:14:27,825 Speaker 1: they just want that editorial bend. 337 00:14:28,185 --> 00:14:31,705 Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's fine, that's done. I'm talking about. You'll 338 00:14:31,745 --> 00:14:33,625 Speaker 3: see in my book. You'll see what classifies as do 339 00:14:33,705 --> 00:14:35,705 Speaker 3: your hair. It's in there. There's section on hair and 340 00:14:35,785 --> 00:14:38,945 Speaker 3: nails and accessories and all the little extra touches. So 341 00:14:38,985 --> 00:14:41,265 Speaker 3: I'm talking about the wet look. It's not for me. 342 00:14:41,865 --> 00:14:43,265 Speaker 3: It's not for me. The wet look hair where you 343 00:14:43,265 --> 00:14:44,865 Speaker 3: look like you've just stepped out of the shower or 344 00:14:44,865 --> 00:14:45,825 Speaker 3: it's just like a hot mess. 345 00:14:45,945 --> 00:14:49,025 Speaker 2: Ever, what a wet looks slipped back high pony, Oh 346 00:14:49,065 --> 00:14:49,705 Speaker 2: that's stunning. 347 00:14:50,145 --> 00:14:52,185 Speaker 3: But it just we look out, just look like you 348 00:14:52,225 --> 00:14:52,745 Speaker 3: did your hair. 349 00:14:52,785 --> 00:14:53,425 Speaker 1: Okay, I like it. 350 00:14:53,705 --> 00:14:56,265 Speaker 3: Fraggle okay, so you know all the like I guess 351 00:14:56,305 --> 00:14:58,825 Speaker 3: it's ostrich feathers that you see on dresses is very 352 00:14:58,945 --> 00:15:04,225 Speaker 3: very common on the carpet. Correct. They look like deceased fraggles, And. 353 00:15:04,305 --> 00:15:06,305 Speaker 1: So people that are younger than us might not know 354 00:15:06,345 --> 00:15:07,105 Speaker 1: what fraggles are. 355 00:15:07,945 --> 00:15:13,065 Speaker 3: They're like Muppet cousins, and they're very fluffy, weird, fluffy 356 00:15:13,105 --> 00:15:16,545 Speaker 3: little fellows. And so when I see people wearing those feathers, 357 00:15:16,545 --> 00:15:18,665 Speaker 3: I will always call them out for fraggle abuse or 358 00:15:18,705 --> 00:15:22,385 Speaker 3: fraggle carnage. Fraggles are ubiquitous with the red carpet, sadly 359 00:15:22,465 --> 00:15:24,745 Speaker 3: so that they are in peril. Their numbers are way down. 360 00:15:24,905 --> 00:15:28,585 Speaker 2: Oh they're probably in dangered. Last one here accessories gone wild. 361 00:15:28,625 --> 00:15:30,185 Speaker 2: I'm assuming that's human accessories. 362 00:15:30,225 --> 00:15:33,145 Speaker 3: How you style your outfit. And for those playing at home, 363 00:15:33,145 --> 00:15:35,585 Speaker 3: probably people that listen to this podcast know things about fashion, 364 00:15:35,865 --> 00:15:38,865 Speaker 3: but the styling refers to how you put together. So 365 00:15:38,905 --> 00:15:41,265 Speaker 3: you've got a dress, and then how do you make 366 00:15:41,345 --> 00:15:43,985 Speaker 3: that whole? You know, how do you make the whole look? 367 00:15:44,065 --> 00:15:46,745 Speaker 3: So you know, your choice of accessories is definitely part 368 00:15:46,785 --> 00:15:50,345 Speaker 3: of that. And so for example, at my book launch 369 00:15:50,505 --> 00:15:53,185 Speaker 3: last week, I wore a magnificent dress and I had 370 00:15:53,225 --> 00:15:56,625 Speaker 3: quite an elaborate piece of like millinery that was made 371 00:15:56,625 --> 00:15:59,505 Speaker 3: for me by an amazing millinaire who has a millinery 372 00:15:59,865 --> 00:16:04,585 Speaker 3: company called Somewhere Millinery. They make head pieces, make head pieces, 373 00:16:04,785 --> 00:16:06,225 Speaker 3: and there was a lot going on. I didn't wear 374 00:16:06,225 --> 00:16:09,345 Speaker 3: a single piece of jaws. So that was a choice 375 00:16:09,385 --> 00:16:11,265 Speaker 3: I made where I like, I tried on earrings. I 376 00:16:11,265 --> 00:16:13,425 Speaker 3: tried on rings, and I tried a necklace, and then 377 00:16:13,465 --> 00:16:16,425 Speaker 3: I was like, I actually think it's beautiful just as 378 00:16:16,465 --> 00:16:18,745 Speaker 3: it is. But then there's other cases where you might 379 00:16:18,745 --> 00:16:20,505 Speaker 3: be wearing like quite a simple black dress and then 380 00:16:20,545 --> 00:16:22,385 Speaker 3: you can put a lot with it and it looks 381 00:16:22,465 --> 00:16:23,025 Speaker 3: really really cool. 382 00:16:23,025 --> 00:16:25,545 Speaker 2: And sometimes they haven't really thought about it all in 383 00:16:25,585 --> 00:16:28,225 Speaker 2: one or they're getting paid a million dollars by a 384 00:16:28,305 --> 00:16:30,705 Speaker 2: fancy so and so to be dropping in something correct. 385 00:16:30,745 --> 00:16:32,385 Speaker 3: And if you want to pay me to wear a 386 00:16:32,465 --> 00:16:34,945 Speaker 3: thousand accessories, I'll do it. I'll do it. 387 00:16:35,185 --> 00:16:36,825 Speaker 1: Levisa, come out it all right. 388 00:16:36,905 --> 00:16:39,545 Speaker 2: Have you ever had a reply or any discourse from 389 00:16:39,585 --> 00:16:42,065 Speaker 2: a celebrity or person that you've commented on. 390 00:16:42,385 --> 00:16:46,265 Speaker 3: Yes, so you know, if it's positive, they'll often share it. 391 00:16:46,305 --> 00:16:47,945 Speaker 3: They'll often say thank you so much. Oh, I was 392 00:16:48,305 --> 00:16:51,145 Speaker 3: so nervous about what you would say. And I find 393 00:16:51,145 --> 00:16:55,265 Speaker 3: that hilarious because literally, who am I but a lowly 394 00:16:55,305 --> 00:16:59,385 Speaker 3: street sweeper. So if it's positive, they're very positive. And 395 00:16:59,425 --> 00:17:02,385 Speaker 3: then I have had people like David Kosh, who you 396 00:17:02,385 --> 00:17:05,345 Speaker 3: know is the finance guy. I've often made who used 397 00:17:05,345 --> 00:17:07,825 Speaker 3: to be on TV. I will often make a joke 398 00:17:07,865 --> 00:17:10,105 Speaker 3: if someone looks very kind of business like that you 399 00:17:10,145 --> 00:17:13,065 Speaker 3: know that he was styled by David Kosh, and I'll 400 00:17:13,065 --> 00:17:15,025 Speaker 3: tag him and he loves it. He's got such a 401 00:17:15,065 --> 00:17:17,305 Speaker 3: good at sense in him, he'll always reshare it. I 402 00:17:17,345 --> 00:17:19,105 Speaker 3: invited him to my launch. He couldn't come. He said 403 00:17:19,105 --> 00:17:20,665 Speaker 3: it was devastating, like he's such a good. 404 00:17:20,465 --> 00:17:21,065 Speaker 1: Sport, you know. 405 00:17:21,705 --> 00:17:24,705 Speaker 3: So there's definitely people who get it. There's people who've 406 00:17:24,705 --> 00:17:26,825 Speaker 3: reached out to me and said, do your worst with me. 407 00:17:26,945 --> 00:17:28,905 Speaker 3: Here's me at the logos, here's me at the aris 408 00:17:28,985 --> 00:17:32,425 Speaker 3: like you know. Usually usually people who are finding themselves, 409 00:17:32,465 --> 00:17:34,705 Speaker 3: like Joel Creasy or m Rushiana or something like that. 410 00:17:35,105 --> 00:17:39,225 Speaker 3: So that's good fun. Yes, so this is a fun story. 411 00:17:39,505 --> 00:17:42,545 Speaker 3: It was quite recent. I think I did a little 412 00:17:42,585 --> 00:17:44,625 Speaker 3: red carpet for a play that I was invited to 413 00:17:45,265 --> 00:17:48,465 Speaker 3: and Todd McKinney was there. We haven't seen him, yeah, 414 00:17:48,505 --> 00:17:51,145 Speaker 3: quite a while, and he was just in a plain 415 00:17:51,265 --> 00:17:54,105 Speaker 3: blue suit and I said that he had been styled 416 00:17:54,145 --> 00:17:57,545 Speaker 3: by the David Kosh School of Finance, And once again, 417 00:17:58,185 --> 00:18:00,185 Speaker 3: David Kosh thought that was funny and shared it, and 418 00:18:00,185 --> 00:18:03,065 Speaker 3: Todd mc kenny DMed me and he said, I had 419 00:18:03,065 --> 00:18:04,905 Speaker 3: to go to a restaurant and there was, you know, 420 00:18:04,985 --> 00:18:07,065 Speaker 3: requirement for a jacket and tie. And I came straight 421 00:18:07,065 --> 00:18:11,145 Speaker 3: from the restaurant and I said, cool, Brah, it's all 422 00:18:11,185 --> 00:18:13,505 Speaker 3: in good fun, like we're all having a laugh. Anyway, 423 00:18:13,505 --> 00:18:15,185 Speaker 3: I didn't hear back. You know, if you've not seen 424 00:18:15,185 --> 00:18:17,305 Speaker 3: it before, it does sound you know. I think when 425 00:18:17,305 --> 00:18:19,145 Speaker 3: you followed the page you get that it's kind of 426 00:18:19,665 --> 00:18:21,865 Speaker 3: funny and it's done in an affectionate way. But he 427 00:18:21,905 --> 00:18:24,145 Speaker 3: didn't care for it. And as I have said before, 428 00:18:24,305 --> 00:18:26,625 Speaker 3: if you were styled by the David Kosh School of Finance, 429 00:18:26,665 --> 00:18:28,665 Speaker 3: you're probably wearing a really expensive suit. 430 00:18:28,625 --> 00:18:30,345 Speaker 1: It's not a terrible thing. It's safe. 431 00:18:30,545 --> 00:18:31,065 Speaker 3: I agree. 432 00:18:31,185 --> 00:18:33,505 Speaker 1: Boring it sounds like, yeah, Graham from accounts, but it's 433 00:18:33,545 --> 00:18:34,225 Speaker 1: not terrible. 434 00:18:34,265 --> 00:18:36,185 Speaker 3: It probably costs a lot of money, so it. 435 00:18:36,185 --> 00:18:37,265 Speaker 1: Might be tailored own that. 436 00:18:37,825 --> 00:18:41,545 Speaker 2: What's the best red carpet event overall in terms of. 437 00:18:41,905 --> 00:18:43,145 Speaker 1: Attendees getting it right? 438 00:18:43,265 --> 00:18:44,705 Speaker 2: I guess it's hard to answer because you just said 439 00:18:44,745 --> 00:18:45,905 Speaker 2: sometimes getting it right it's boring. 440 00:18:46,345 --> 00:18:46,585 Speaker 1: Yeah. 441 00:18:46,705 --> 00:18:51,305 Speaker 3: Look, any of the major events I think are always amazing. 442 00:18:51,545 --> 00:18:57,305 Speaker 3: So the Emmys, the Golden Globes, the Oscars, they're always. 443 00:18:57,545 --> 00:18:59,985 Speaker 2: Which is good but bad because it's not so much fun, right, 444 00:19:00,185 --> 00:19:02,465 Speaker 2: rageous and great to commentate, and there's a lot of 445 00:19:02,505 --> 00:19:03,225 Speaker 2: good and bad. 446 00:19:03,625 --> 00:19:06,625 Speaker 3: Well. I think if you go to a music awards, 447 00:19:06,785 --> 00:19:09,665 Speaker 3: as we talked about the Grammys the American Music Awards, 448 00:19:09,985 --> 00:19:12,505 Speaker 3: you get some people who have gone quite formal and 449 00:19:12,585 --> 00:19:14,985 Speaker 3: quite elegant, and then you get, you know, artists who've 450 00:19:15,025 --> 00:19:19,505 Speaker 3: gone and worn something absolutely bananas, you know, something absolutely. 451 00:19:18,985 --> 00:19:20,905 Speaker 1: Maybe bananas like actually. 452 00:19:20,665 --> 00:19:23,665 Speaker 3: Correct, So that is always super fun. Whereas if you 453 00:19:23,665 --> 00:19:27,145 Speaker 3: look at something like the MTV vs. Everybody kind of 454 00:19:27,145 --> 00:19:30,865 Speaker 3: looks a little bit wacky, but the Grammy is you'll 455 00:19:30,865 --> 00:19:33,065 Speaker 3: get a mix. And then obviously something like the met 456 00:19:33,105 --> 00:19:36,465 Speaker 3: Gala is always just exceptional. And when we talk about 457 00:19:36,465 --> 00:19:38,705 Speaker 3: the criteria of what we're looking at the Met Gala, 458 00:19:38,745 --> 00:19:41,385 Speaker 3: there's a theme. So it's very much about how have 459 00:19:41,505 --> 00:19:44,385 Speaker 3: you dressed for the themepret and I don't want to 460 00:19:44,425 --> 00:19:47,905 Speaker 3: see understated that the Met Gala. I want you dressed 461 00:19:47,945 --> 00:19:51,265 Speaker 3: as a cat like Jared Alito did, or like carrying 462 00:19:51,265 --> 00:19:53,745 Speaker 3: your you know, he also came wearing his head in 463 00:19:53,785 --> 00:19:54,185 Speaker 3: his hands. 464 00:19:54,185 --> 00:19:56,225 Speaker 1: And we need to get you to the met Gala. 465 00:19:56,065 --> 00:19:57,465 Speaker 3: I need somebody out there. 466 00:19:58,265 --> 00:20:00,185 Speaker 1: I'll make it happen. So you wrote a book. 467 00:20:00,225 --> 00:20:03,185 Speaker 2: It's pretty impressive considering the streets need sweeping and clothes 468 00:20:03,265 --> 00:20:07,505 Speaker 2: need talking about. Tell us about the book and if 469 00:20:07,505 --> 00:20:09,065 Speaker 2: anyone hasn't got it yet already yet. 470 00:20:09,105 --> 00:20:11,025 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a bit back to the Vogue thing. 471 00:20:11,025 --> 00:20:12,825 Speaker 1: Even if you don't read it, it's it's really chic 472 00:20:12,985 --> 00:20:15,545 Speaker 1: read like you just want it to look fancy. Yeah, 473 00:20:15,545 --> 00:20:17,545 Speaker 1: but how did you write it? And what's in it? 474 00:20:17,785 --> 00:20:20,385 Speaker 3: Okay, So I was contacted by the nice people at 475 00:20:20,465 --> 00:20:21,105 Speaker 3: Murdo Books. 476 00:20:21,425 --> 00:20:22,385 Speaker 1: Did you actually write it? 477 00:20:22,905 --> 00:20:26,505 Speaker 3: Of course? Of course. I mean my followers would know immediately. 478 00:20:27,345 --> 00:20:28,665 Speaker 3: They I think they said to me, if you want 479 00:20:28,705 --> 00:20:31,385 Speaker 3: to work with someone, and I said, I don't think so. 480 00:20:32,745 --> 00:20:35,825 Speaker 3: No one could replicate this wit. So they said, we 481 00:20:35,865 --> 00:20:38,105 Speaker 3: think you could write a book. And actually I had 482 00:20:38,105 --> 00:20:41,425 Speaker 3: been approached by it to publishers previously at other times, 483 00:20:41,465 --> 00:20:43,385 Speaker 3: and I just I just I don't know. 484 00:20:43,505 --> 00:20:45,065 Speaker 1: I just it's a big thing to do. 485 00:20:45,265 --> 00:20:46,945 Speaker 3: Well, that's it. It's a lot of work. And I 486 00:20:46,945 --> 00:20:49,625 Speaker 3: think I fashion critical for me has always been such 487 00:20:49,785 --> 00:20:52,905 Speaker 3: fun and something that I do genuinely for my own 488 00:20:53,025 --> 00:20:55,345 Speaker 3: entertainment that I didn't like the idea of being like 489 00:20:55,825 --> 00:20:56,745 Speaker 3: then it being a job. 490 00:20:56,905 --> 00:20:57,105 Speaker 1: Yeah. 491 00:20:57,385 --> 00:20:59,185 Speaker 2: It also feels very permanent in a book, where it's 492 00:20:59,185 --> 00:21:00,945 Speaker 2: like just waking up a photo and saying it's sentence. 493 00:21:01,185 --> 00:21:03,705 Speaker 3: Yeah, although you know, the internet is forever these days. 494 00:21:03,745 --> 00:21:05,985 Speaker 3: So anyway, they said, we think you could write a book, 495 00:21:05,985 --> 00:21:07,505 Speaker 3: and then I had to think about what the book 496 00:21:07,545 --> 00:21:11,265 Speaker 3: would be. So it is pretty much an overview of 497 00:21:11,345 --> 00:21:15,465 Speaker 3: red carpet celebrity fashion going back predominantly, I'd say ten 498 00:21:15,505 --> 00:21:17,425 Speaker 3: to fifteen years. You can't go too much further than 499 00:21:17,425 --> 00:21:19,625 Speaker 3: that because the pictures are not good and it's just 500 00:21:19,665 --> 00:21:22,785 Speaker 3: they're just too much content. So it's looking at everything. 501 00:21:22,825 --> 00:21:24,705 Speaker 3: You know, we go through the major events, we go through, 502 00:21:24,705 --> 00:21:27,465 Speaker 3: what are some of the red carpet trends. I distribute 503 00:21:27,505 --> 00:21:29,865 Speaker 3: my own awards. I've got my own awards that I've 504 00:21:29,905 --> 00:21:32,225 Speaker 3: given out to certain people. I look at some of 505 00:21:32,225 --> 00:21:34,865 Speaker 3: the behind the scenes things that we talked about. I 506 00:21:34,905 --> 00:21:37,865 Speaker 3: interviewed Alex Perry, who's followed a fashion critical for a 507 00:21:37,905 --> 00:21:40,185 Speaker 3: long time and was so generous to let me interview him, 508 00:21:40,225 --> 00:21:42,945 Speaker 3: to actually say, what's actually going on back there? How 509 00:21:42,945 --> 00:21:44,745 Speaker 3: does it work? You know, if you're a designer, how 510 00:21:44,825 --> 00:21:46,905 Speaker 3: do your dresses end up on these people. Do you 511 00:21:46,985 --> 00:21:49,225 Speaker 3: know that they're going to appear or does it just suddenly. 512 00:21:48,865 --> 00:21:50,825 Speaker 1: Have a buy it? Do you pay them? Yeah? 513 00:21:50,945 --> 00:21:53,505 Speaker 3: So I got to ask all of those questions, which 514 00:21:53,585 --> 00:21:56,185 Speaker 3: was really cool. And then it finishes with you know 515 00:21:56,225 --> 00:21:58,185 Speaker 3: my favorite looks of all time, the people that I 516 00:21:58,225 --> 00:22:01,905 Speaker 3: think of you the best dressed. And it is lots 517 00:22:01,905 --> 00:22:03,705 Speaker 3: of pictures, so if you don't want to read too 518 00:22:03,705 --> 00:22:06,585 Speaker 3: many words, you'd be very pleased. And it kind of 519 00:22:06,625 --> 00:22:09,705 Speaker 3: harks back to the glory days of magazines like the 520 00:22:09,705 --> 00:22:12,985 Speaker 3: The design and layout of it is beautiful and yeah, 521 00:22:13,025 --> 00:22:15,745 Speaker 3: it's got a beautiful kind of faux red leather with 522 00:22:16,225 --> 00:22:18,625 Speaker 3: gold foil. So you can also just leave it sitting 523 00:22:18,625 --> 00:22:21,785 Speaker 3: on your coffee table if you liked great Christmas gift, 524 00:22:21,825 --> 00:22:23,225 Speaker 3: Great christmabulous. 525 00:22:23,505 --> 00:22:26,265 Speaker 2: If you could dress one famous person for the Red Carpet, 526 00:22:26,265 --> 00:22:26,985 Speaker 2: who would it be? 527 00:22:27,305 --> 00:22:29,385 Speaker 3: Oh, that's a question I should have read beforehand. 528 00:22:30,025 --> 00:22:31,065 Speaker 1: I'm gonna come back to it. 529 00:22:31,225 --> 00:22:32,785 Speaker 3: Yeah, hang on, hang on, give me a minute, Give 530 00:22:32,825 --> 00:22:34,345 Speaker 3: me a minute. Who would it be? Who would it be? 531 00:22:34,705 --> 00:22:37,425 Speaker 3: I think I'd like to dress Heidi. 532 00:22:37,185 --> 00:22:39,705 Speaker 1: Klum Oh, and why. 533 00:22:39,545 --> 00:22:43,865 Speaker 3: Because she is so beautiful? But her she wins the 534 00:22:43,905 --> 00:22:45,785 Speaker 3: box of Chocolate's Award in my book, because you just 535 00:22:45,825 --> 00:22:48,545 Speaker 3: never know what you're going to get, And so I 536 00:22:48,545 --> 00:22:51,185 Speaker 3: think that's super fun with her, and I think she'd 537 00:22:51,225 --> 00:22:52,865 Speaker 3: kind of be up with you put her in. Well, 538 00:22:52,865 --> 00:22:54,545 Speaker 3: that's the thing. I think she'd be up for anything, 539 00:22:54,585 --> 00:22:58,345 Speaker 3: Like I think she's sometimes she wears really beautiful formal 540 00:22:58,385 --> 00:23:00,345 Speaker 3: things and sometimes she wears really crazy stuff. So I 541 00:23:00,385 --> 00:23:01,105 Speaker 3: think she'd be fun. 542 00:23:01,425 --> 00:23:06,025 Speaker 2: So true, who is your all time best on ground over? 543 00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:08,545 Speaker 1: How long you ever been doing this? Male? Female? 544 00:23:08,705 --> 00:23:11,465 Speaker 2: Like the perse and not the look, the person that 545 00:23:11,665 --> 00:23:14,585 Speaker 2: just genuinely almost always gets it right. 546 00:23:14,745 --> 00:23:17,585 Speaker 3: There's well, I think there's a series of those MVPs 547 00:23:17,665 --> 00:23:19,185 Speaker 3: in the book, and I don't have it in front 548 00:23:19,185 --> 00:23:19,345 Speaker 3: of me. 549 00:23:19,425 --> 00:23:22,265 Speaker 1: But who first came to mind when I said that, Oh. 550 00:23:22,225 --> 00:23:25,265 Speaker 3: Kate Blindchett. You know, like, can you think of a 551 00:23:25,265 --> 00:23:26,705 Speaker 3: time where she didn't look No. 552 00:23:26,825 --> 00:23:30,425 Speaker 2: She always looks great. Her skin's beautiful, perfect. I'm not bored. 553 00:23:30,465 --> 00:23:31,865 Speaker 3: I know you right, you're right, but I know you 554 00:23:31,905 --> 00:23:34,225 Speaker 3: know Kate blind Sheet, Nicole Kidman. Yeah, there's you know, 555 00:23:34,265 --> 00:23:38,105 Speaker 3: a mile Clooney, Oh never puts a foot wrong. Ever. 556 00:23:38,625 --> 00:23:41,025 Speaker 3: There's quite a few actually, And then there's people who 557 00:23:41,025 --> 00:23:43,065 Speaker 3: are a little bit more edgy. 558 00:23:44,025 --> 00:23:45,185 Speaker 1: What did you say, fair men? 559 00:23:45,345 --> 00:23:49,025 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly so. But there are definitely some MVPs 560 00:23:49,025 --> 00:23:51,865 Speaker 3: who for years and years and years and years just 561 00:23:52,225 --> 00:23:54,745 Speaker 3: keep churning out the great looks. And they're probably because 562 00:23:54,745 --> 00:23:57,065 Speaker 3: they've got very very good stylists, and I assume also 563 00:23:57,105 --> 00:24:00,145 Speaker 3: they've just got really excellent tastes themselves. 564 00:23:59,625 --> 00:24:02,705 Speaker 1: And lots of money. Yeah, that helps. If you are 565 00:24:02,745 --> 00:24:04,705 Speaker 1: invited to the Oscars, what are you wearing? 566 00:24:05,265 --> 00:24:11,265 Speaker 3: Lord? Look? I would wear something very timeless. I think 567 00:24:11,265 --> 00:24:13,545 Speaker 3: when you're looking at the Oscars, you don't want anything 568 00:24:14,265 --> 00:24:17,185 Speaker 3: trendy think, you know, I think anything that's kind of 569 00:24:17,265 --> 00:24:21,185 Speaker 3: old Hollywood, you know, the old Hollywood wave. I'm a 570 00:24:21,225 --> 00:24:23,705 Speaker 3: big fan of yellow dresses. I don't know if i'd 571 00:24:23,705 --> 00:24:28,185 Speaker 3: go yellow at the Oscars, but something a little bit 572 00:24:28,185 --> 00:24:29,945 Speaker 3: of vintage, I think is where I would go. 573 00:24:30,025 --> 00:24:30,625 Speaker 1: I enjoy that. 574 00:24:42,185 --> 00:24:43,985 Speaker 2: Before we get into boogie budget, I'm gonna ask you 575 00:24:44,025 --> 00:24:45,985 Speaker 2: some quick, rapid fire questions. 576 00:24:46,385 --> 00:24:48,025 Speaker 1: Who's your red carpet spirit animal? 577 00:24:48,665 --> 00:24:53,025 Speaker 3: Coleman Domingo. He's a man's but he's not a flamingo. 578 00:24:53,145 --> 00:24:55,705 Speaker 3: But he is the best dressed man on the red 579 00:24:55,745 --> 00:24:59,665 Speaker 3: carpet at the moment, and he's I'm obsessed, obsessed. 580 00:24:59,745 --> 00:25:01,385 Speaker 1: If fashion had a smell, what would it be? 581 00:25:02,705 --> 00:25:05,305 Speaker 3: Bubblegum? 582 00:25:05,345 --> 00:25:08,225 Speaker 2: What's the one outfit you'd send straight to fashion jail? 583 00:25:08,825 --> 00:25:10,705 Speaker 3: Hosary with and toad sandals? 584 00:25:10,745 --> 00:25:14,585 Speaker 2: Three words to describe a true best on ground bog. 585 00:25:14,385 --> 00:25:22,065 Speaker 3: Look, timeless, flattering, and perfect. 586 00:25:23,305 --> 00:25:26,225 Speaker 1: What's the biggest fashion crime of the decade. 587 00:25:26,305 --> 00:25:28,865 Speaker 3: I'm going to say the naked dress. Yeah, it's just 588 00:25:29,345 --> 00:25:29,945 Speaker 3: it's too much. 589 00:25:29,985 --> 00:25:31,185 Speaker 1: We're getting more and more naked. 590 00:25:31,305 --> 00:25:33,865 Speaker 3: I want to see clothes. I don't want to see notity. 591 00:25:34,385 --> 00:25:37,025 Speaker 1: Kanye West partner is actually naked, actually naked? 592 00:25:37,105 --> 00:25:37,625 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. 593 00:25:37,705 --> 00:25:41,905 Speaker 1: Last one? If you could ban one accessory forever, what 594 00:25:41,945 --> 00:25:42,665 Speaker 1: would it be? 595 00:25:42,705 --> 00:25:48,985 Speaker 3: The choker? Easy? I don't care for it. 596 00:25:48,985 --> 00:25:50,425 Speaker 1: It's very expensive. 597 00:25:51,265 --> 00:25:51,865 Speaker 3: How old are the. 598 00:25:55,065 --> 00:25:55,945 Speaker 1: Boogie and budget? 599 00:25:56,025 --> 00:25:58,345 Speaker 2: So obviously your fashion critical, So we're kind of going 600 00:25:58,385 --> 00:26:00,865 Speaker 2: red carpet inspired. I mean, you've been doing your own 601 00:26:00,905 --> 00:26:03,945 Speaker 2: red carpet lainly. I haven't so minor make believe that 602 00:26:03,985 --> 00:26:07,025 Speaker 2: I would wear. But let's start with your bougie. Well. 603 00:26:07,065 --> 00:26:11,345 Speaker 3: I recently bought a Rebecca Valance cutie patuity mini dress. 604 00:26:11,545 --> 00:26:12,265 Speaker 1: Is that what it's called? 605 00:26:12,745 --> 00:26:15,465 Speaker 3: It is absolutely not called that. Please don't google that. 606 00:26:15,505 --> 00:26:18,025 Speaker 3: You will not find it. People might be surprised to learn. 607 00:26:18,105 --> 00:26:20,985 Speaker 3: I don't spend a lot on myself. I'd rather buy 608 00:26:21,025 --> 00:26:22,665 Speaker 3: lots of things than expensive things. 609 00:26:22,705 --> 00:26:22,905 Speaker 1: Yeah. 610 00:26:23,185 --> 00:26:25,105 Speaker 3: So, but I you know, new. 611 00:26:24,945 --> 00:26:27,225 Speaker 1: Her dresses like they're about like eight or nine for that. 612 00:26:27,545 --> 00:26:31,225 Speaker 3: This one was maybe seven hundred because it wasn't a gown. 613 00:26:31,345 --> 00:26:34,505 Speaker 3: It was a mini kind of day dress. But that 614 00:26:34,705 --> 00:26:37,345 Speaker 3: was a big spend for me, and I what colors. 615 00:26:37,385 --> 00:26:40,145 Speaker 3: It's black and white and it looks a little eighties, 616 00:26:40,145 --> 00:26:44,105 Speaker 3: almost like a little bit working women eighties, and it's glorious, 617 00:26:44,185 --> 00:26:47,785 Speaker 3: and I thought, I deserve this. I've purchased it on 618 00:26:47,825 --> 00:26:48,305 Speaker 3: the internet. 619 00:26:48,345 --> 00:26:50,665 Speaker 2: You have lots of things to do. She makes beautiful dresses. Well, 620 00:26:50,705 --> 00:26:54,345 Speaker 2: mine is absolutely in my dream. So I'm going somewhere phenomenal. 621 00:26:54,345 --> 00:26:55,905 Speaker 2: You can tell me where I'm going to wear this. Actually, 622 00:26:56,185 --> 00:26:58,265 Speaker 2: so I am buying and wearing. Actually no, they're going 623 00:26:58,305 --> 00:27:03,065 Speaker 2: to give it to me. That Albina Dialer embroidered corset dress. 624 00:27:03,385 --> 00:27:06,745 Speaker 2: It is two thousand, two hundred and sixty eight dollars 625 00:27:06,745 --> 00:27:09,665 Speaker 2: and ninety five cents because I'm a celebrity. 626 00:27:09,665 --> 00:27:12,025 Speaker 1: So oh, I mean it's half naked. 627 00:27:12,185 --> 00:27:14,785 Speaker 3: But that's not naked. Yeah, that's beautiful. 628 00:27:14,785 --> 00:27:16,545 Speaker 2: Look at the waist, look at the boob. Obviously there'll 629 00:27:16,545 --> 00:27:18,625 Speaker 2: be a link in the show notes. Look, of course, 630 00:27:18,625 --> 00:27:21,305 Speaker 2: it is how long dress beat it? Oh my gosh, 631 00:27:21,465 --> 00:27:23,345 Speaker 2: I mean I want to go somewhere. 632 00:27:23,425 --> 00:27:24,265 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's stunning. 633 00:27:24,425 --> 00:27:27,265 Speaker 2: Yeah, I approve, approve, approved, all right, what's your budget? 634 00:27:27,425 --> 00:27:30,225 Speaker 3: It is a Pilgrim dress that I got on the 635 00:27:30,425 --> 00:27:32,825 Speaker 3: Iconic on sale and it was sixty nine dollars and 636 00:27:32,865 --> 00:27:37,465 Speaker 3: it looks vintage, beautiful perfection, and I wore it in 637 00:27:37,505 --> 00:27:40,825 Speaker 3: a photo shoot for a newspaper the other day. Color black, black, 638 00:27:40,865 --> 00:27:43,705 Speaker 3: sequin kind of off the shoulders. It looks like Princess 639 00:27:43,705 --> 00:27:46,865 Speaker 3: Diana's revenge dress, a little bit sixty nine dollars, velvet, 640 00:27:46,945 --> 00:27:49,625 Speaker 3: no no sequence, black sequence, and like little bit of 641 00:27:50,225 --> 00:27:51,465 Speaker 3: rooshy thing here. 642 00:27:51,625 --> 00:27:53,625 Speaker 2: When I was picking my budget, I could not pick 643 00:27:53,665 --> 00:27:57,225 Speaker 2: between Pilgrim and that Chanceries. You say that brand, Yes, okay, 644 00:27:57,345 --> 00:27:59,225 Speaker 2: I think so, and I picked a Chancrough dress. But 645 00:27:59,305 --> 00:28:02,225 Speaker 2: Pilgrim you haven't looked at for years. Yeah, obviously don't 646 00:28:02,265 --> 00:28:03,905 Speaker 2: do many rooted carpets or fancy things. But when I 647 00:28:03,905 --> 00:28:06,585 Speaker 2: was looking at Pilgrim on the Iconic, I was like, wowie, yeah, 648 00:28:06,825 --> 00:28:07,705 Speaker 2: we need to go to places. 649 00:28:07,825 --> 00:28:10,185 Speaker 3: Yeah, they've got They've got really beautiful dress and I've 650 00:28:10,185 --> 00:28:12,345 Speaker 3: never bought anything from them before. I don't think. 651 00:28:12,705 --> 00:28:16,705 Speaker 1: I feel like fifteen years ago it was not my vibe. 652 00:28:16,825 --> 00:28:19,665 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I mean I don't. Again, I'm not overly. 653 00:28:19,785 --> 00:28:22,905 Speaker 3: I don't really follow particular labels in great way. But 654 00:28:23,065 --> 00:28:25,465 Speaker 3: I saw it online, and you know, when you order 655 00:28:25,665 --> 00:28:27,505 Speaker 3: online you kind of hidd and miss. You don't know 656 00:28:27,505 --> 00:28:28,105 Speaker 3: how it's going to fit. 657 00:28:28,865 --> 00:28:32,105 Speaker 1: Beautiful well. My budget for my imaginary red stump that 658 00:28:32,145 --> 00:28:33,825 Speaker 1: I'm going on is from the Iconic as Well. 659 00:28:33,945 --> 00:28:36,985 Speaker 2: Chancery is a brand. It's called the Lotus Maxi Dress. 660 00:28:36,985 --> 00:28:38,585 Speaker 2: It's two hundred and twenty dollars because it's new. 661 00:28:38,705 --> 00:28:41,745 Speaker 3: Oh, pink and red. Chink and red is a favorite 662 00:28:41,745 --> 00:28:42,785 Speaker 3: color coumbo of mine. 663 00:28:42,825 --> 00:28:45,825 Speaker 2: Bless kind of that's leading, I know. And look you 664 00:28:45,905 --> 00:28:47,385 Speaker 2: like black and mite. It comes in black and white. 665 00:28:47,505 --> 00:28:49,305 Speaker 3: That's late. That looks a lot like something I wanted. 666 00:28:49,305 --> 00:28:51,345 Speaker 3: The logo is actually, did you go to the logies? 667 00:28:51,705 --> 00:28:54,145 Speaker 3: I got in on the sly I was not invited. 668 00:28:54,505 --> 00:28:56,145 Speaker 2: I see the black and white's down to one hundred 669 00:28:56,145 --> 00:28:57,865 Speaker 2: and thirty two dollars at the time of recording. 670 00:28:58,025 --> 00:28:59,145 Speaker 3: Need it, need both of them? 671 00:28:59,225 --> 00:29:01,745 Speaker 2: If anyone has got red carpet events or weddings or whatever. 672 00:29:02,105 --> 00:29:03,545 Speaker 2: Chancery ran choice. 673 00:29:03,585 --> 00:29:05,745 Speaker 1: What was your brand again? It was Pilgrim, Pilgrim on. 674 00:29:05,705 --> 00:29:09,265 Speaker 2: The iconic YEP Affordable, fabulous, love it fashion Critical. I 675 00:29:09,305 --> 00:29:12,785 Speaker 2: know you have streets to sweep and I don't know 676 00:29:12,825 --> 00:29:13,145 Speaker 2: what else. 677 00:29:13,025 --> 00:29:16,345 Speaker 3: You got places to be, people, influence, polarize air to 678 00:29:16,385 --> 00:29:19,225 Speaker 3: get around, and I would like that very much. 679 00:29:19,385 --> 00:29:20,745 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me on it. 680 00:29:20,825 --> 00:29:22,945 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. It was really fun, so fun. 681 00:29:24,185 --> 00:29:26,105 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to Nothing to Air 682 00:29:26,225 --> 00:29:28,385 Speaker 2: and don't forget you should head over to YouTube to 683 00:29:28,425 --> 00:29:31,225 Speaker 2: watch us to particularly this episode because you'll get to 684 00:29:31,225 --> 00:29:34,505 Speaker 2: see Fashion Critical in a very fancy outfit and disguise. 685 00:29:35,105 --> 00:29:36,905 Speaker 2: We also have a Nothing to Wear newsletter, there's a 686 00:29:36,945 --> 00:29:38,825 Speaker 2: link in the show notes, and of course we're on 687 00:29:38,865 --> 00:29:40,425 Speaker 2: Instagram at Nothing to Air Pod. 688 00:29:40,905 --> 00:29:41,465 Speaker 1: See you soon.