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Speaker 3: On from Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily

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Speaker 3: pop culture fix. I'm in Burnham and I'm Laura Brodnick.

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Speaker 3: On today's show, we need to talk about the new

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Speaker 3: Vanity Fair cover story of Ariana Grande, especially the one

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Speaker 3: moment where she talks about where she knew everyone turned

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Speaker 3: against her. We're also looking into everything that's happening with

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Speaker 3: Chapel Rohan and Essam l At the moment we break

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Speaker 1: But first, but first, Sophie Turner's new TV series Joan

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Speaker 1: is out on stand today. Very exciting.

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Speaker 3: I literally blocked a part of my calendar at six

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Speaker 3: pm tonight to watch it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I was gonna say, don't show your thoughts yet

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Speaker 1: that's coming out. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't have thoughts.

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Speaker 1: She will have thoughts. Everyone stand by. But until then.

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Speaker 1: Sophie Turner has been doing a lot of press about

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Speaker 1: this show. It's based on a real woman and she's

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Speaker 1: been very involved in the rollout of it and bringing

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Speaker 1: it premiering, she did a big, wide ranging interview with

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Speaker 1: very infamously came out during their whole divorce proceedings. She

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Speaker 1: on to say, it's a struggle being a single mother.

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Speaker 1: Joan doesn't go about it in the best way, but

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Speaker 1: it's really amazing to see her fighting for her daughter.

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Speaker 1: It's also really important for kids to see how hard

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Speaker 1: the interview and it's interesting, but not like crazy headline

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Speaker 1: with that, which was interesting for many in many ways,

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Speaker 1: and I can understand why people who just read the headlines.

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Speaker 1: That's always the problem with the situation. People who just

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Speaker 1: So this whole narrative just sprung out there. And then actually,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can definitely understand the must be so frustrated

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Speaker 3: But it happens all the time. It happens all the

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Speaker 1: Yes, oh, I was meaning we are going to pull

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Speaker 1: Yes, and this is why when I when I do

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Speaker 1: And I'm way more careful about that now. But I

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Speaker 3: Oh no, poor Sophie.

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Speaker 1: Poor Sophie. Anyway, I'm sure she's doing okay.

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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of women who do wide ranging interviews, and

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Speaker 1: on this Svantity cover and this story because it is

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Speaker 1: the stars of the upcoming Wicked movies. Yes, there's two

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Speaker 1: get excited. And also, this profile is called in Vanity

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Speaker 1: Yes, obviously some of these are more serious than other. Yes,

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Speaker 3: Remember she was linked to the Genoskians. No, I don't

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Speaker 3: what she dated one of the Janoskian guys.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, you don't know the Jenoskians.

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Speaker 3: The Janoskians are these like group of Australian boys who

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Speaker 1: Sorry, your whole story just fell apart. Would you believe

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Speaker 1: I stand by the fact that I don't know that,

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Speaker 3: Be on the scandalist though that was her first boyfriend

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Speaker 3: about boundaries or whatever. This is absolutely insane. I feel

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Speaker 3: like SNL have always like step on that line of

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Speaker 3: he put out a statement because I didn't realize how

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Speaker 1: Getting for this. Yeah, it is one of my.

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Speaker 3: Favorite comedy sketches I've seen in a long time on SNL.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they always got a little flak after every show,

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Speaker 1: but I think in this case, because this conversation online

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Speaker 1: has been so much of people saying that chapel Or

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Speaker 1: in mental health seems to be in a really dangerous

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Speaker 1: place because she's talked about how difficult she's finding it,

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Speaker 1: and I think they saw this as like this big show,

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Speaker 1: like almost like punching down on her. And I think

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Speaker 1: it's because like it's the first show of this kind

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Speaker 1: or the first comic comedian to really like use what's

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Speaker 1: like when you actually watch it with the context, like

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Speaker 1: it's not making fun of her at all, I understand

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Speaker 1: you're seeing this and maybe we're just on different algorithms,

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Speaker 1: and mine's the bad one because I'm seeing people quite

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Speaker 1: turn on her now, and I think it's because if

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Speaker 1: you're only seeing the headlines around her in isolation, they

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Speaker 1: do look quite bad because if you look at them,

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Speaker 1: it's like Chapel Roone screams at fans to leave her alone.

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Speaker 1: Chapel Roone says she can't do this anymore. Chapel Roone

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Speaker 1: says she doesn't want tour. Chapelroone cancels her shows. Chapeline says,

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Speaker 1: I hope I don't win a Grammy. Like these are

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Speaker 1: all just really isolated things, and in the bigger context

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Speaker 1: of what she's saying, they make sense. But I do

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Speaker 1: understand if people are only seeing those headlines in quick succession,

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Speaker 1: it's like she's being a brat. Yeah, I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: she's being a brat, but I'm just saying this is

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Speaker 1: what happens when you're only consuming little sound bites of

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Speaker 3: And we also don't know what their relationship is behind

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Speaker 3: the scene. Yes, because I feel like if there was

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Speaker 3: any other SNL cast member to do that role, they

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Speaker 3: wouldn't probably have put a statement. But because Berwin had

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Speaker 3: interviewed Chapel only last Market Interview magazine, and the interview

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Speaker 3: is quite close and personal, and her saying that like

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Speaker 3: thanking him for making her feel seen. I feel like

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Speaker 3: they might have a closer relationship than we think. And

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Speaker 3: he just had to put it out there and be like,

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Speaker 3: this is not what I wanted.

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Speaker 1: Yes exactly. I just think he's, especially with this performance,

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Speaker 1: just so aware of the online conversation. He's wanting to

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Speaker 1: get ahead of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, we will put up a video of the

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Speaker 3: skits over on our Instagram at the Spill podcast. Let

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Speaker 3: us know what you think if you think it was

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Speaker 3: controversial or if you think it was just a funny

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Speaker 3: skit like I did. Thank you so much for listening

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Speaker 3: to The Spill today. The Spill is produced by Kimberly

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Speaker 3: Bradish with sound production by Scott Stronik. And we will

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Speaker 3: see you back here in your podcast feed at three

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Speaker 3: pm tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye, Lan